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September 16, 2018
The MoA Week In Review – Secret Bio-weapons – Skripals – OT 2018-47

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The theme of the week was the now delayed operation to liberate Idelb governorate in Syria.


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But the White Helmets will have to wait with their next 'chemical weapon' scam. The attack was delayed. The crisis has for now receded but the issue will be back in the news in some six to eight weeks.

The Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva published an extensive investigative piece on the secret U.S. biological weapon laboratory near Tbilisi, Georgia:

US diplomats involved in trafficking of human blood and pathogens for secret military program

The US Embassy to Tbilisi transports frozen human blood and pathogens as diplomatic cargo for a secret US military program. Internal documents, implicating US diplomats in the transportation of and experimenting on pathogens under diplomatic cover were leaked to me by Georgian insiders. According to these documents, Pentagon scientists have been deployed to the Republic of Georgia and have been given diplomatic immunity to research deadly diseases and biting insects at the Lugar Center – the Pentagon biolaboratory in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.

A copy is also available at the Balkanspost. The Georgian government rejects the allegation and claims that the laboratory is under its full control. But why then is the U.S. buying even the toilet paper the scientist use in the lab?

Dilyana Gaytandzhieva previously published on secret weapon transfer from east-Europe to Syria and elsewhere under diplomatic cover.

The British government claimed that two Russian men, who traveled under the names Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, were in Salisbury to assassinate the British spy Sergej Skripal. It said that those names were likely false. But the chaps are real and talked with Russia Today editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan. There is an English transcript of the full interview. Some of their answers may suggest that they are a gay couple. Looking at their picture this seems quite obvious to me ;-).


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Petrov and Boshirov say that they went Salisbury on March 3 to see Stonehenge but were hampered by the weather. That might well be true. Stonehenge was indeed closed on March 3 because of high snowdrifts on the road to it. The chaps came back on March 4 but were again disappointed. Traffic was still hampered.

The newest British claim is that the two men partied the night before they allegedly tried to kill Skripal. They smoked grass and brought a prostitute into their hotel for some loud sex. Other guest complained to the staff. Only highly professional GRU agents with the most dangerous poison on a secret mission to assassinate a criminal Russia pardoned years ago would do such a thing.

Or would they?

Use as open thread …

Comments

Amway is the Dick DeVoss Family. Betsy DeVoss is the Trump Education Secretary.
Recent MSM kerfuffle over her many yachts.
She intends to dismantle public education.

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 17 2018 15:13 utc | 101

Just in case ACT.IL.HQ tries to arrest me or reports me to intelligence or law enforcement for poking fun at them, I’d better clarify that comment #89 was only a parody of ACT.IL.HQ
So to everyone working in ACT.IL. HQ, please, go back in there, and chill them ****s out and tell them there’s no need to send the Wolf after me
I’m not really speaking for ACT.IL.HQ
As far as I know, parody is still legal in the country I live in, at least for now
Parody: “A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule”
But in case parody is also illegal now, I want to make this very clear: I LOVE JEWS and I LOVE ISRAEL!!!!
https://act-il.com/
#ILoveIsrael |

Posted by: Afkaysit | Sep 17 2018 15:25 utc | 102

re: Sources – this article is quite helpful with a brief overview of the various journalists reporting about Syria plus hyperlinks embedded for each of their twitter accounts or websites. “You Want A Real List? Directory Of Accurate Alt Media Sources On Syria” by Brandon Turbeville @ Activist Post
https://www.activistpost.com/2018/08/directory-accurate-independent-alt-media-sources-syria.html
I prefer the Brave browser for my desktop and mobile because of severely limited bandwidth in the rural area I live in. The built in shields block all ads, trackers and scripts. You have to add an exception to your antivirus before installing it or the program will be uninstalled simultaneously while installing. You can open a private tab with tor within the settings for accessing those non-MSM and unapproved websites.

Posted by: mrd | Sep 17 2018 15:40 utc | 103

DABIQ. The slickest, most professional propaganda for AlQ – ISIS – Al Nusrah – other.
Truly wonderful, awe-inspiring. I mean it!
Your heart beats eyes open wide take a breath in…YESS.
Adressed to an eng-reading audience:
https://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/the-islamic-state-e2809cdc481biq-magazine-12e280b3.pdf
Some of the pix are like Benetton ads -> scroll down – guys white and long blond haired,
Chinese w. moustache, Balkan looking type, etc. join in glorious brotherly harmony,
wearing identical crisp pristine camouflage.
Who is crafting this stuff? To me it feels British and not US.
The language, the superb photos.. expensive, high investment (writers, pix, site, etc.)
Why are such publications and sites not mentioned, not commented on?
When many otherwise denounce manufactured ‘Muslim’ terrorism and the GWOT?
Here are the Brits detecting their own propaganda with AI .. ?
Independent Feb. 2018

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 17 2018 16:06 utc | 104

Talks concluded.
News conference now.
Erdogan doesn’t look very happy.
Putin talking now about Turk-Russian trade.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:18 utc | 105

Putin: Russia and Turkey are cooperating wrt Idlib
Putin: Progress in resolving Idlib

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:19 utc | 106

Putin: Decided to create by Oct 15 to create demilitarized zone

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:20 utc | 107

Putin: Astana format will continue

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:22 utc | 108

Now Erdogan speaks
Starts with trade issues (trade with Russia is growing). Russian tourists will be largest group of tourists this year.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:25 utc | 109

Erdogan: Will clear territories of “radical elements”
[Problem: Turkey’s view of who is “radical” differs from Russia’s]
Turkey will enhance its observations posts.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:28 utc | 110

Haha,
BREAKING: Putin & Erdogan agree Idlib demilitarized zone to avert new Syria crisis
https://on.rt.com/9egs
Once again Putin throw Assad under the bus by going along with the terrorists/neocons threats and wishes.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 17 2018 16:28 utc | 111

Erdogan: Now he’s on about YPG.
[Erdogan sees YPG as the only real terrorists.]

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:30 utc | 112

Erdogan: Now turns to need for political solution in Syria.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:30 utc | 113

The worse i’ve seen is when Dabiq appeared in the mailing list of “The Ancient World Online”, obviously with the purpose that some librarians who just add all the links provided to their list of “useful links” for students would do the job of spreading that stuff…
http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mina | Sep 17 2018 16:31 utc | 114

Question time

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:31 utc | 115

Oh … no questions!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 16:32 utc | 116

Paul Craig Roberts has a nice piece on the current Us temperature, published today.
I do hope the patient dies soon, peacefully and in no pain.
May Hades greet them his usual way, and think out something special.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 17 2018 16:37 utc | 117

@20 & 80…
Some other…rather obvious…sites don’t seem to have been listed…
A big favorite of mine (along with Global Research.ca) is:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/:
Some other sites you might find interesting…in apha order…
https://www.aljazeera.com/
https://americauncensored.com/
https://thehornnews.com/
https://theintercept.com/
https://www.zerohedge.com/
Along with a new one I just found today:
https://journal-neo.org/
2 Russian sites:
https://www.rt.com/
https://sputniknews.com/
I’d also mention Glenn Greenwald’s site…but frankly…it seems to have ‘changed direction’ over the couple of years or so since inception…I can hardly distinguish it from a MSM site now…but sometimes there is still something interesting there…
https://theintercept.com/
A search engine that supposedly doesn’t track you: duckduckgo
A video site like youtube (it just got started on July 4th) that doesn’t censor videos: https://www.real.video/
Check out “Hillary is” on these search engines:
Yahoo, Bing, Google, duckduckgo
Here’s Snopes on search engines:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/google-manipulate-hillary-clinton/
Mig

Posted by: mighead | Sep 17 2018 16:43 utc | 118

V@57 – Nebulous ‘report from ISP’ justifies a search warrant in the US, details of which are not disclosed unless or until they charge you with something.
Even then, ‘protection of sources and methods’ means you find out little more than something like a trigger from a surveillance program that’s part of a joint ISP/ Law Enforcement / Intelligence project. I have neither the security classification nor the state-bestowed privilege to ever know the details.
Comcast (Xfinity), CenturyLink (Prism) and AT&T are immune from any liability and can report any customer any time they choose. Who is going to question them? It’s all secret.
Works great for shutting up nutty conspiracy theorists. They can keep my and my familys’ computers for years if they want. I have no legal right to get them back one minute sooner.
It probably took half of an hour to type this on an iPhone 4. PavewayIV is history (or will soon be replaced with a fake one). See how great that works for crushing dissent?
Sieg heil, neocon Israeli-firster US Deep State. Well played… [golf clap]

Posted by: Paveway IV | Sep 17 2018 16:57 utc | 119

Paveway IV @115–
Your setback’s more serious than mine was/is. But we’ll continue our resistance at some level. The simple act of enlightening others confounds them. And more people come forward daily to enlighten. Many thanks for all your contributions!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2018 17:09 utc | 120

@ Alligator 45
Thanks for the list, Ive checked them out, seems a good start. List like the one you made are difficult to compile, when you live in another country.
But what I mostly focus on is that it is possible to compile a list, which gives hope to the thought : Not all people are brainwashed.
I laudly laud commenters here (well most except the few obvious trolls) but the fact commenting is possible, and some very good discussions do occur, and new ideas are explored.
I must also laud b, he is seldom far from target and his analysis and possible explanations are mostly very credible.
I enjoy posting here although sometimes I should not (too much Belgian beer or Scotch malt or even French Cognac, althoug that incident in a New Zealand harbour put me a bit off)
Salude Barflies ! 🙂

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 17 2018 17:13 utc | 121

Magnier’s initial thoughts about announced Russian/Turkish deal. I’ll need to read the entire text before commenting. Syrian government agreed with the deal, and what details I’ve read look promising.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2018 17:19 utc | 122

may as well post this here too, as i see jackrabbit and etc. talking about it..
https://www.rt.com/news/438652-putin-erdogan-syria-idlib-demilitarized/
it is an interesting development – demilitarized zone.. here is the tricky part – ““The territory controlled by the Syrian opposition must be demilitarized and the Syrian opposition that is holding these territories will remain there. But together with Russia we will make efforts to clear these territories of radical elements,” Erdogan said.”
my problem with this is erdogan has not done any clearing of these territories of radical elements… he has tried to convert them into some type of ”’moderate”’ opposition, but putting lipstick on a pig might fool a few folks, it doesn’t really fool most.. hoping that these Jabhat Al-Nusra freaks are going to go along with some form of democractic rule, when they are hoping for a caliphate, stoning people back into the dark ages with their wahabbi/salafism, is asking for a lot! now, maybe some of them will be willing to put on the lipstick, but i can’t see it..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 17:26 utc | 123

i think the expectation was russia going into idlib and doing a massive bombing of the wests moderate headchoppers… it never ceases to amaze me how russia can take a different approach on very short notice… now, some are going to say russia has caved in here – as they have been saying all along! – but i think this is a wise move at this point..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 17:37 utc | 124

so the last time – some years back – the usa was giving out weapons to the ”’moderates”’.. they found out that the ”’moderates”’ just turned around and gave them to the ‘immoderate s”..
realistically, can anyone see the salafi/wahabbi fanatics going along with the ”’moderate syrian opposition”’ here? i can’t.. can anyone see the moderate syrian opposition rising up in arms against the ”moderate fanatics”? not me..
it is a nice sales job package, but i think it is just prolonging the inevitable..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 17:47 utc | 125

Really can’t argue with these two tweets by Within Syria.
Just as Obama’s and Clinton’s bloodlust was put on hold by Putin in 2013, the Neocon Establishment will need to be content harvesting Yemini blood for the time being. There are still several thousand Daesh terrorists within Syria to defeat as well as securing the Kurdish region. The demands made of the Idlib terrorists must be met or they will be assaulted. Idlib Dawn is put on hold, although small operations in Idlib and surround will continue.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2018 17:50 utc | 126

As predicted, Erdogan came to Sochi so that Putin could kneel to him in person. Astonishing to see the sight of Nato ships and Turkish might turn Brave Vladimir turn to jelly. So much for the myth of Russian leverage. No war is a good thing, after all, but we are looking at the dawning of a very evil ‘peace’. The US is in an absolute catseat now and will face no more opposition from Russia. They control the most important part of Syria and can take the rest if and when they want. Turkey now controls, without further question, a big chunk of Syria from which it can unleash the jihadi hell any time it wishes. It will have to work things out with the US vis-a-vis the Kurds, but that will turn out to be remarkably doable. Israel controls all of Syria that Assad pretends to control, with its green light to bomb anywhere anytime. Assad looks to be in hell. He barely controls a chaotic, ruined and populous rump country that has few resources and is not passified. Enemies wait on all his borders. His ally is at best a paper bear, more likely some form of controlled opposition all along. And then there is Iran. Iran seems to waiting its own doom at the hands of its enemies, and with Russia as its closest ally – well …

Posted by: paul | Sep 17 2018 17:51 utc | 127

paul
Yeah, it would make more sense if Putin went to Turkey announcing this, now Erdogan coming to Russia pretty much demanding what Haley, Bolton, Trump, Jihadists and neocons have urged on Idlib, and its coming true without any effort.
That Turkey is part of this speaks of the power Turkey have over rebel/Terrorists inside Syria. It also says alot of how weak SAA really is. And Russia for that matter.
What will this solve? Nothing, the rebel/terrorists will only relocate and grow stronger.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 17 2018 17:54 utc | 128

@ PawewayIV 120
This is deeply alarming. The liberty of free expression is enschrined in the US consttution.
We do not have that liberty per se enschined per see in the Swedish or Danis “Grunlov” (google)
but as long as you dont preach hate speech on local sites it is not enforced.
Even we, we know we are watched. Tank you USUK for being to humanity like the Black Plaque.
I hope your fate is the same 🙂

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 17 2018 18:09 utc | 129

“..it is a nice sales job package, but i think it is just prolonging the inevitable.” James
Prolonging the inevitable, keeping casualties down, unbalancing NATO strategies, saving Erdogan’s face, preventing the confrontation that the neo-cons are longing for, maintaining the improvement in relations between Russia, Turkey and Iran and, not least of the advantages, keeping the USS troops twiddling their thumbs in the desert.
In all these manoeuvres consider the critical fact that there is a political crisis in Iraq, until that is solved, as it will be, to the satisfaction of the Russians and Iranians and the position of the Kurds is clarified, there is little point in eliminating Al Qaeda etc and their US allies.
Once more the Russians are playing a blinder. And, once again the provocateurs longing for the neo-cons confrontation, are whining that Russia is being outmanoeuvred.
This is another defeat for the US as it tries to square the Kurdish, Turkish, Israeli circle.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 17 2018 18:12 utc | 130

@ paul 128
Very good! Now share what you are imbibing or smoking. I would love to have your imagination.
Or pehaps you are just a simple 50 cent troll ?

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 17 2018 18:19 utc | 131

The partition of Syria, which has been the obvious end game in Syria for a long time, has now been all but openly agreed to by the presiding powers. This means that the goal of those who attacked Syria via proxy war has been achieved. Syria has been successfully ripped apart. It may or may not be put back together in some form, but regardless, the US is in the cat seat and will get a compliant regime of some kind, or a failed state that it dominates, or some combination of those two things. Assad? It looks like he will soon be dead. Perhaps he will be allowed to go into exile. Country by country the US has shown that none may challenge the Hegemon’s global dominion. I presume Iran and Venezuela are next. History books will record that it was all Assad’s fault – regardless of how evil he is or isn’t – and the role of the Hegemon and its minions will be conveniently forgotten. Not just forgotten. It will be replaced by the Orwellian claim that ‘the West should have intervened sooner’, as if they weren’t involved from the getgo, from long before the get go.
Hurrah to all of you rascals here for claiming these many years that the ‘partition’ of Syria was just a conspiracy theory.
Putin? Lol. What a tool!

Posted by: paul | Sep 17 2018 18:26 utc | 132

@83 Noirette
“The Gvmt. *slowly* latched onto the meme ‘the Russians did it’ thru pol. opportunism”
You have cause and effect the wrong way round. Remember “Strike Back: Retribution”? It was a fictional TV series on Sky TV with a plot involving Novichok and nasty Russians. It was a 10 part series which began in 2017 and was scheduled to end in 2017, however after 5 episodes it was suddenly postponed and the last 5 episodes shown just before the Skripal incident occured.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 17 2018 18:27 utc | 133

Den Lille Abe @132–
It’s a Wooden Nickle troll; no more, no less.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2018 18:28 utc | 134

This is Putin bending to the reality of a Turkish occupation of Idlib. Erdogan could take that bold step because USA threatened to take action if SAA tried to retake Idlib.
Only 10 days ago, Russia, Iran, and Syria fully expected Turkish support for a military operation against Idlib.
That the talks took so long and no questions were taken is a sign of deep division.
Putin was played. But he now knows that he was played. That’s some degree of progress.
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Will Erdogan really clean up Idlib? The talk about trade seemed ominous: Putin is in no mood for any more negative surprises from Erdogan.
So Erdo has a choice to make: If he wants to keep Idlib he will move closer to the USA by not buying oil from Iran after the US deadline.
The question that will haunt some here is this: is Erdogan playing both sides or has he always had a preference for the Islamist/Assad must go!/Jihadi side? (I think the latter, but few want their “Erdogan has turned east!” hope dashed)
Lastly, how will India score this? Will they continue to buy Iranian oil? IMO, too close to call.
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PS cross-posted from Syrian thread

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 17 2018 18:37 utc | 135

More theater, as the usual suspects continue to rape the globe, that seems to be what’s going on here. Meanwhile, the energy oligarchs rake it in, and guess what, these folks live in every nation, including Russia and China.
I think that big $ has finally made their alliances that span the globe, and the rest of us are getting played, big time!!
Rich and powerful men do the $ thing, not the RIGHT things.

Posted by: ben | Sep 17 2018 18:57 utc | 136

How freely can the headchoppers entrenched in Idlib move away from Idleb? We know that the civilians there are hostages, but how freely can their oppressors come and go? Will they not be fired upon should they attempt to leave?
I suppose the FUKUSI will be able to move them about as needed with helicopters.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 17 2018 19:07 utc | 137

P.S. IMO, we’ve already achieved a multi-polar world, trouble is, that it doesn’t include the working classes, only the oligarchs and their sycophants.

Posted by: ben | Sep 17 2018 19:19 utc | 138

@131 bevin.. that is a good way to summarize it in your last sentence.. thanks.
@136 jackrabbit.. quote “This is Putin bending to the reality of a Turkish occupation of Idlib.” personally i don’t see it that way, but i can see how some could… i really don’t believe anything has been lost here and the onus of responsibility remains on turkey to resolve a dynamic they are in good part responsible for.. in fact as grieved mentions on the syria thread – less innocent people are killed, and the headchoppers can potentially get taken out by each other, or at a slower rate by syrian allies..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 19:51 utc | 139

More evidence how pure stupid Putin is, this is just in:
Syrian officials now claim that a MAJOR cruise missile attack is underway from the sea.
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1041774788983881731
Both #Syria/n #Russia/n AD systems are engaging targets over #Latakia and over the sea I can confirm an S-400 launch.
https://twitter.com/Syrian_SR/status/1041763424760487937

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 17 2018 19:57 utc | 140

LOL and people still argue that Russia is doing great in Syria, now Latakia where their base are located are attacked by either Israel or the US!
Syrian port city Latakia ‘attacked by missiles from sea’ – local media (VIDEOS)
https://www.rt.com/news/438665-missile-attack-latakia-syria/

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 17 2018 20:03 utc | 141

Any agreement would be better than let the djihadists use as always the people as human shields and his in their houses. Plus no one wants to have the djihadists’ families for neighbours once they return from the refugee camps in Turkey where they were the first to cross.
But the attack tonight certainly means that this is not enough for Mammon. When governements go as far as creating stories like the Skripal one, there is no reason to remain optimistic.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 17 2018 20:07 utc | 142

RT is also reporting the missile attacks on Syria. I don’t see how there can’t be a response.

Posted by: spudski | Sep 17 2018 20:15 utc | 143

NATO warships moving closer to Syria shores amid looming US airstrikes: Report
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/17/574419/NATO-warships-moving-closer-to-Syria-shores-amid-looming-US-airstrikes-Report

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 17 2018 20:20 utc | 144

It has been an hour ago and still nothing on the BBC front page.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 17 2018 20:25 utc | 145

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 17, 2018 11:13:33 AM | 102
The websites with the Wilton Road address were first saved on September 18, 2018 on the wayback machine.
https://nutrilite-vitamin-and-supplements-store.business.site/
https://www.amway.co.uk/user/hegedusmate
But it is serious trolling.
For Russia to infiltrate Amway would be like to infiltrate the NRA. You cannot get more Christian Conservative that that.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 17 2018 21:07 utc | 147

I’m super surprised this hasn’t come up here. I was hoping to read more about it here at MoonOfA…
Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov, spokesman of the Russian MoD, has had another of his rare moments:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201809171068089638-russia-boeing-mh-17/
“Missile That Downed MH17 Was Delivered to Ukraine and Never Transported to Russia”
There.
Apparently, with the serial number of the missile remnants, they went and did some digging in their (paper!) archives. They established when and where this particular missile was manufactured. Then they established when and how this missile was recieved and registered by the MoD. Finally, they followed the serial and registration numbers and determined which particular unit this particular missile was sent to. It was a BUK-equipped air-defense unit stationed in the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This unit was to remain there until the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when the unit became Ukrainian. So the missile never returned to Russia, hence Russia is out of the picture. It was a Ukrainian missile that downed the jet, released by a Ukrainian unit on Ukrainian soil.
There’s a lot more in this press conference, which makes a complete mockery out of Higgins’ (perhaps even well-meaning) efforts. Please watch!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 17 2018 21:12 utc | 148

The missiles are a deliberate provocation – to try to make the Syrian airforce attack a village in the Idlib pocket. After which the “FF chemical” films can be published. The agreement between Putin, Damascus and Erdogan really spoilt things for the US and Israel didn’t it?
Actually there was a smile on Putins face when he shook hands with Erdogan. He got what he wanted – Erdogan has the responsibility to take on the worst rebels – there is the possibility of the M5 Allepo-Damascus highway being reopened, and the sugar on the cake is that several hidden anti-Governmental cells came out of hiding to attack Syrian positions at the same time as the FF Chem was supposed to happen. Their positions are now known and they can be hit with no cover. (I’m also thinking about another group that came out of the Al-Tanf/Rubkan Camp area. A second group from there “reconciled”.)
Apparently they could have been drones with missiles attached, which means a certain sophistication.

Posted by: stonebird | Sep 17 2018 21:14 utc | 149

I hate to hell this Man, Putin! I don’t know what it will take to people to know that this man is also an Evil man! Most people don’t really see the great game being played here! How can you say as a head of state that any attack on your allie is an attack on Russia Federation an throw ASSAD under the bus in this manner! For one Year Erdogan never clean AlQuiada house, why will it do it now? All this bullshit deal, meanwhile we all know that most of the HTS moderate salafi/wahabbi fanatics are all turkist soldier masquerading as a rebel fighters! For God Sake Putin is part of the problem, Assad should be very very careful for now on! Seriously how come that all the propaganda and noise around Idlib succeded in making Russia bend? Again Putin just pussy out of the issue, clearing alquaida last stronghold in Syria Idlib!
The UN cannot talk about humanitarian disaster since America bomb RAQQA to oblivions despite 2.5 to 3 million civilian!
Putin just freak out because of necons going MAD, trust me that blink is the begining of a serie of position that Russia will lose in Syria!
I understand now why PUTIN never wanted to provides S300 to Syria who is attack every two weeks by ISRAEL! Bibi make sure that Putin handlers in the Kremlin toe the line!
I am sick and tired of all this theatrical soap opera scene in SYRIA!
Meanwhile innocent people are dying, If someone can convey my message to one of this so called world leader PUTIN then tell him that someone just say “FUCK YOU”, for all the Innocent dead in SYRIA!

Posted by: kemi | Sep 17 2018 21:26 utc | 150

Lots of Wooden Nickels trying to throw mud and make it stick during a driving rain storm: Humor + Tragedy = Farce–so many pathetic Golems.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2018 21:43 utc | 151

stonebird @150
Thanks, makes sense. Initial reports had missiles coming from the sea which I took to mean from US/NATO ships.

Posted by: spudski | Sep 17 2018 22:08 utc | 152

With Nordstream 2 in the early phases of construction, Putin can’t have a confrontation now.

Posted by: Schmoe | Sep 17 2018 22:16 utc | 153

Hi B. Other Israeli and perhaps u.s. attacks on Syria. Looks like somebody wants to start WW3 at any cost. Do you have further news?

Posted by: Pnyx | Sep 17 2018 22:17 utc | 154

As Canthama says nothing is going to happen of significance in Syria until the end of the month.
Then anything can happen. I supported Trump over Clinton with my nose tightly pegged because I thought he might give us a year or two of life before he got shut down. That doesn’t mean I supported any of his values or ideas. I just wanted breathing space while Syria recaptured most of its territory and we could stay alive. This has been achieved. But now Trump realizes who really yields the power and it is not him.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 17 2018 22:18 utc | 155

The novichok hotel tale smacks of a false positive. The spin is pretty lacking in credibility
https://openparachute.wordpress.com/2018/09/18/novichock-detection-and-the-salisbury-tourists/

Posted by: francesca | Sep 17 2018 22:56 utc | 156

This is addressed to the many detractors of the recently agreed upon demilitarized zone in Idlib. If you really think Putin threw Assad under the bus, tell me this: Why the missile attack now? Someone is very pissed their CW provocation did not go as planned.

Posted by: number11 | Sep 17 2018 23:04 utc | 157

Posted by: Russ | Sep 17, 2018 3:43:17 AM | 71
Ok Russ I will challenge that analysis of Corbyn. This extraordinary person Jeremy Corbyn is a dogged doer. He is not a battle maker but rather a peaceful implementer. Consider what is arraigned against him: a treacherous bliarite cabal of opportunists in his parliamentary party. No one in Corbyns position with the media acting like hyenas on steroids would engage with the Zionist assaults against him on their turf! And rightly so. Combative politics begets combative nations and sets up violence as the first resort. That is certainly not the leader we have in Corbyn: he is a man of peace and justice.
Rather than fighting debilitators or splittists in the party, he is building the party (through an obviously successful) concerted drive through each of the branches, with Momentum and other reform minded supporters playing their part. It cannot happen without them.
He clearly is not a one man band preferring to have all supporters engaged as part of the momentous change of the British Labor Party. Momentum has its job to do and the NEC has theirs and the parliamentary supporters have another task.
Russ, this is a man of peace and this is the way to make change in an enduring way. You do not punch back, you draw another ten supporters together and ask them to do the same. Lets keep our eye on the prize here Russ, lets see if this can reverse decades of bank theft, austerity, war mongering and oligarch worship. The Bliarites can’t and wont, the lib dems can’t and wont and the Tories wouldn’t dream of it and old Labor is too chickensh!t to give it a try and all are totally owned by the self interest cabals and foreign nation manipulation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 17 2018 23:07 utc | 158

Told you Adam Garrie was right.
Russian defense minister rules out new military operation in Syria’s Idlib
More:
http://tass.com/defense/1021975

Posted by: T | Sep 17 2018 23:08 utc | 159

Syria and the latest Putin success over erdy: So we will see the provinces of Latakia, Aleppo, Homs bussing all the murderers to Idlib which will be jointly policed by Russia and Turkey and totally buffered with a wide DMZ. Sounds good and it will give Syria enormous relief.
Just keeping these murderers in the Idlib cauldron will be a serious task. But it takes the heat out of the war.
Will that DMZ include the Turkish border with Idlib? What treachery will erdy dream up next? Perhaps he will pay a visit to the Kurds in the east?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 17 2018 23:32 utc | 160

So a Russian plane with 14 servicemen shot down by Israel as reported by Sputnik. Putin wont want to go against Israel but he will have to do something for appearances sake

Posted by: Pft | Sep 17 2018 23:33 utc | 161

Of course they just said it went missing and not shot down . Latakia came under fire in a missile attack military sources said come from the direction of the sea. The Russian Defense Ministry in its statement about the missing plane identified four Israeli F-16 airplanes as part of the attack on Latakia. The missing plane was returning to a nearby Russian base
So they could just say it crashed due to other reasons to get out of it

Posted by: Pft | Sep 17 2018 23:40 utc | 162

@162 pft… that looks ominous to me…

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 23:43 utc | 163

this does too..
Russia detects missile launches from French frigate off Syria’s coast in Mediterranean – MoD
https://www.rt.com/news/438676-french-frigate-mediterranean-missiles/
unlike the uk detecting novichok, here, there and everywhere, i think russia’s had detected correctly what is going on here..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2018 23:44 utc | 164

james @165
It’s getting crazy and it seems provocations will continue until there’s a response.

Posted by: spudski | Sep 18 2018 0:23 utc | 165

The IL-20 could have been downed accidentally by either side during the missile/anti-missile shoot-out.

Posted by: S | Sep 18 2018 0:26 utc | 166

Paveway IV | Sep 17, 2018 12:57:46 PM | 120
Thanks so much for your reply.
What happened to you makes it real; and hugely distressing.
The U.S. is gone and replaced by a monster.
God help us all.
I wish the best for you and yours…

Posted by: V | Sep 18 2018 1:07 utc | 167

@166 spudski.. yes, and i think the response not be obvious or immediate either which will drive the armchair warriors batty..

Posted by: james | Sep 18 2018 1:13 utc | 168

Re: Posted by: stonebird | Sep 17, 2018 5:14:13 PM | 150
That’s great. I supposed the IL-20 being shot down is also just a “provocation” rather than an Act of War?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 18 2018 1:24 utc | 169

Re: Posted by: james | Sep 17, 2018 9:13:55 PM | 169
I’ve suggested it before – why doesn’t Russia announce it has discovered who is funding and arming ISIS!
It’s SAUDI ARABIA!
And use that as a casus belli to destroy Saudi oil & gas & military infrastructure – as a response to any ratcheting of tensions in Syria/attack on SAA/Syrian Government infrastructure.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 18 2018 1:38 utc | 170

So US says its Syrian air defense to blame, Russia says missles fired by French frigate and Israel blamed for attack on Latakia but not their plane

Posted by: Pft | Sep 18 2018 1:44 utc | 171

Russia Plane Disappears From Radar During Israeli Attack on Syria’s Latakia
https://on.rt.com/9ehd
“A Russian military ll-20 aircraft with 14 service members on board went off the radar during an attack by four Israeli jets on Syria’s Latakia province, the Russian Defense Ministry said.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 18 2018 2:06 utc | 172

US EW (electronic warfare) and radar are more advanced then their french counterparts. It is quite possible that Israel spoofed the french radars from the air or a sea platform, forcing the french to respond as if they were attacked.
That is the kind of thing that the Israelis do. The intend would be to start a battle between Russia and France (NATO) as that is the last and only chance for Israel to get her way in Syria.
I partly blame Russia for this. Israel wouldn’t try this BS if the Syrians had the capacity to take down Israeli planes. Instead, Russia has agreed not to sell Syria any long range radar/air defenses capable of seeing and firing into lebanon.

Posted by: alaric | Sep 18 2018 2:21 utc | 173

Russia is attacked because its weak. Its as simple as that. No one would attack them if they had the necessery forces and the will to use them in Syria.
In other words, this is the response to the massive Vostok military drills. And the response is – we will punch through your bluff.

Posted by: T | Sep 18 2018 2:33 utc | 174

T@175
“Russia is attacked because its weak.”
No Russia is attacked because Israelis and neocons see restraint as weakness. It is not weakness and the attacks are never strategically significant. They are designed to scare Russia.
Israeli (and frankly Jewish) culture is all about chutzpah which really translates into getting away with whatever you can until someone puts their foot down. I’m sure Russian’s of all stripes know that and they need to put their foot down now.
Russia is not weak, just cautious and i think wise.
That said, refusing to sell advanced ADs to Syria was a mistake which has come home to roost.

Posted by: alaric | Sep 18 2018 2:44 utc | 175

Joost@72
If I remember correctly that prop or not website was started as a DNC operation during the latter part of the election. Any site that was anti Hillary or questioned the Trump pissed in Obama’s bed in Moscow dossier was labeled Putin lovers.
This day and age to propaganda finders are propagandists.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 18 2018 3:42 utc | 176

@alaric: “That said, refusing to sell advanced ADs to Syria was a mistake which has come home to roost.”
That may change if it can be clearly established IDF is responsible for the downing of the IL-20..

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 18 2018 3:44 utc | 177

176 said in part:”Russia is not weak, just cautious and i think wise.”
We’ll see about that. Maybe, with oil prices on the rise Russia doesn’t want to rock the boat too much. Russia is HEAVILY dependent on energy prices. Putin has people he has to please, like every other leader. And, they’re not necessarily rank and file Russians. He may not have the autonomy we think he has.
Just like all the politicians around the globe.

Posted by: ben | Sep 18 2018 3:58 utc | 178

i have said it many times, but will again.. as i see it, anyone who underestimates russia is making a mistake..

Posted by: james | Sep 18 2018 4:07 utc | 179

@ Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 17, 2018 10:06:10 PM | 173
Yes, that was an euphemism to say the plane became dust. It’s all a matter of making the deaths official now.
@ Posted by: T | Sep 17, 2018 10:33:02 PM | 175
The last thing that can happen is a global hot war: that’s everything the USA and co. want now. Swallow the pride — peace works for the Russians and the Chinese now.

Posted by: vk | Sep 18 2018 4:18 utc | 180

Re: Posted by: james | Sep 17, 2018 7:44:48 PM | 165

this does too..
Russia detects missile launches from French frigate off Syria’s coast in Mediterranean – MoD
https://www.rt.com/news/438676-french-frigate-mediterranean-missiles/

If this is true, the Russians should sail a fleet of 3-5 ships and anchor in international waters off the coast of Marseilles/Nice.
Why?
For purely reactive purposes.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 18 2018 4:22 utc | 181

Re: Posted by: ben | Sep 17, 2018 11:58:52 PM | 179
Putin is playing for time – the EU Elections in May 2019 for one.
If the likes of Salvini, Orban and Kurz and their allies sweep to power in the EU next May the problem will be solved there and then and sanctions will be dropped, Crimea recognised as part of Russia.
It’s 8 months away. Can Putin hold the line that long and avoid escalation?
The history of the last four years (53 months+) says yes he can.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 18 2018 4:25 utc | 182

This article appeared at Reuters a day or so back.
https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-can-text-every-phone-in-the-us-will-test-presidential-alert-on-oct-3/
“Trump can text every phone in the US with a ‘presidential alert’
A mobile alert on Oct. 3 will test the government’s ability to send out a nationwide emergency message….
…The original test was supposed to occur on Sept. 20, but has been rescheduled to its Oct. 3 backup date.”
When I originally read it, it made me wonder if the US planned at that stage to hit Russian targets in Syria as well as Syrian targets. A nationwide presidential alert could only be for war. Natural disasters are localized rather than nation wide.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 18 2018 4:35 utc | 183

Peter AU 1 @184
Not just war but also Martial Law, or perhaps an alien invasion

Posted by: Pft | Sep 18 2018 4:48 utc | 184

@ alaric who wrote:
“………
Israeli (and frankly Jewish) culture is all about chutzpah which really translates into getting away with whatever you can until someone puts their foot down.
………”
I agree. The international community through the UN and/or the bigger country groupings need to tell iFUKUS that their behavior is unacceptable. This either escalates to nuclear SHTF or a global economic standstill which is/was already happening with Trump
I do see Trump declaring martial law…or trying to. America and the rest of the world need to wake up to the financial reality/cancer of the Western way.
Attack the structure not the current lever pullers!!!!!!!
Lets redefine our social contract so humanity can get on with evolving.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18 2018 5:31 utc | 185

US gets messages out via ‘leaks’ and sometimes its seems Russia uses something similar. News of an S-300 deal appeared before the southwest offensive. At that time, US was threatening to attack if the offensive went ahead as they have been doing with Idlib.
From what I make off it Russia told Nutty the would supply the S-300 if Nutty told Trump to stand down. Not only did Trump stand down, when the ISIS enclave fired a few shots into Israel to call for help, the Israeli’s fired right back at them.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 18 2018 5:52 utc | 186

Alligator@48
Biblicism web site FFS
Not good, spamers flogged this on ZH, reports of maleware
Lector emptor

Posted by: Alogon | Sep 18 2018 5:57 utc | 187

Earlier piece by b – “The Dike Breaks – Netherland Ends Support For “White Helmets” Terrorist Propaganda”
Next Russia declassifies some information and military radar dater on the MH17 shootdown and sends it to the Dutch investigation.
https://www.rt.com/news/438679-mh17-important-evidence-investigation/
https://www.rt.com/news/438596-mh17-downing-russian-briefing/
Then a Russian early warning aircraft is downed and an hour long missile strike takes place on Syria.
Trump only needed Russia on side or at least detente for global energy dominance. That will not happen due both to Russian leadership and imported hereditary hatred of Russia in the US. If Trump sees the goal of detente or alliance with Russia is out of reach, then Russia will be Trump’s enemy, which is what may now be occurring. US culture – either for or against. No neutral.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 18 2018 7:13 utc | 188

@b
A suggestion for the comments box: It might help if you added a notice telling posters to wait a day before their comments show up so they don’t attempt to repost the same thing multiple times and filling the moderation queue (something I’m admittedly guilty of).
pete @93
If it’s over HTTPS/SSL(TLS), it should be fine (tip: MoA doesn’t use HTTPS). Your ISP will only be able to determine the addresses but the contents are private – and no government agency would dare expose the fact that they have a copy of the decryption keys that supposedly only the SSL cert companies hold, so it’s unlikely to be admissible in court.
Regarding DuckDuckGo: While it’s a far stretch to call anything on the internet “private”, DuckDuckGo strikes me as being one of the more shady ones for several reasons: It came into the spotlight at the peak of the Snowden leaks thanks to massive praise from the MSM and mainstream social media (a red flag) and sold itself as something you used to hide from the NSA. All the while being based in the US and run entirely on Amazon infrastructure (it still is). Also prior to DDG, the founder ran a disreputable social networking site that was a thinly veiled user data mining scam.
As an alternative, the various Searx servers fetches results from different engines (Google, Bing, etc.), but like all community projects, you don’t know who the bad actors are. (Mitigated to a degree by using a randomizer to spread your search queries across different servers so no one party can gather enough to profile you.)
Paveway IV @120
All the best and I hope it won’t discourage you. It’s frightening how they’re finally using mass surveillance to give Joe Random a hard time for saying unpopular things on the internet.
When things finally settle down, you might want to consider getting a VPN subscription – it works like an encrypted proxy and obfuscates your internet usage from the local ISP while theoretically adding a layer of “legal fuss” needed to discover individual users, given that many subscribers share the servers which are located in different jurisdictions. (All of which are “West” friendly, I might add. China, Iran and Russia have VPNs banned as a whole. Shopping for a VPN comes down to picking the “lesser evil”.)
A caveat: It’s only good at stopping local snoops from peering into your traffic but it’ll paint a huge bullseye on your back since it shows up as “encrypted VPN stuff” (=”I’m hiding something”) and is utterly ineffective against NSA/Five Eyes infrastructure-level snooping.

Posted by: Drive-by Commenting | Sep 18 2018 7:36 utc | 189

T
Indeed, Russia is weak, thats why even Macron feel ok by bombing Syria and threatening Russia! This is really humilitating to see, not only for Syria but it really shows how dumb Russia have become by their own appeasement to the same forces that now almost attacking them inside Syria!
The fact also that a russian military plane somehow is sent in to the area of the bombing says it all.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 18 2018 7:50 utc | 190

RT news states that the Israeli jet hid behind the Russian plane and put it in the line of fire.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 18 2018 8:12 utc | 191

We consider these provocative actions by Israel as hostile. Fifteen Russian military service members have died because of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military. This is absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership,” the statement stressed. “We reserve the right for an adequate response.”
RT News.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 18 2018 8:15 utc | 192

Multiple russian deaths due israeli jets: This fact below will always live in infamy
Russia, after Netanyahu visit, backs off Syria S-300 missile supplies
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia/russia-after-netanyahu-visit-backs-off-syria-s-300-missile-supplies-idUSKBN1IC0SW
Heads will roll in Russia.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 18 2018 8:38 utc | 193

Israel-KSA-UAE coordination
https://www.rt.com/news/438695-saudi-coalition-begins-offensive-hodeidah/

Posted by: Mina | Sep 18 2018 9:46 utc | 194

Time to take the ‘Q anon’ so called ‘conspiracy’ for real.
General Michael Flynn in a book signing confirmed it
by signing WWG1WGA (the Q motto).
Flynn was of course the highest level military intelligence officer
until he clashed with the Obama administration over the support given for the rise of ISIS.
Further coordinated Q posts on 8Chan with Trump tweets
about the declassification of the FISA ‘Russiagate’ documents
prove Q to indeed be high level military intel backing Trump.
‘Russiagate’ will be shown to be a hoax, the monkey will be off POTUS’ back
and maybe peace at least in Syria will be more possible.
If still sceptical- then fair enough, it is like a real
life spy thriller – but do your own research on Q. Suggest http://www.neonrevolt.com or X22report for starters.

Posted by: anoncommentatot | Sep 18 2018 10:02 utc | 195

@60 Pft
The west is welcome to wallow in its self-inflicted misery while the rest will keep marching on towards tomorrow.
The world is a big place and the west doesn’t own the world.
Should to west collapses right at this moment of time, smart people wouldn’t even give a damn.
Being pessimistic is not only a huge waste of time and energy, it’s also downright stupid.

Posted by: Face The Fact | Sep 18 2018 10:28 utc | 196

@60 pft
The west is welcome to wallow in its own self-inflicted misery, the rest of the world will keep moving forward towards a better day.
The world is big place, the west doesn’t own the world.
There is absolutely no reason to give a damn even if the west collapses right at this moment.
The one reaching the bottom is the west, not the rest of the world.
Being pessimistic is a huge waste of time and energy.
@47 Jen
Thanks for the links, especially for the Godfree Roberts’s ones.

Posted by: Face The Fact | Sep 18 2018 10:36 utc | 197

Kiza – 91.
Naomi Osaka is the child of an African born father and Japanese mother raised mostly in Japan. She, like nearly all top rank professional tennis players moved to the US at a very young age to be trained into the professional ranks. Her current home is listed as Ft. Lauderdale Florida.
This is the world wide way of tennis, including the US way of developing tennis stars.
Stating this fact of Ms. Osaka and extending your apt metaphor regarding Ms. Williams to include her doesn’t necessarily reflect my own opinion about the moral righteousness of globalism or the lack thereof.
Global diversity at the top is a fact. Deal with it however you wish.
Jackrabbit @ 100-

We’ve identified donkeytale as a troll. “Diversion and obfuscation” is his job.

LOL. You are now head of the Moon Thread Police? Sorry the truth bothers you so much. A reflection no doubt on you.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 18 2018 12:36 utc | 198

donkeytale: Sorry the truth bothers you so much. A reflection no doubt on you.
No. It’s a reflection on YOU that you believe that the truth is what you say it is.
I’m not the only one that sees you as a troll. donkey lacks reading comprehension.
Bothered by the flies buzzing around your foul tale? LOL.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 18 2018 13:31 utc | 199

@173 julian.. i agree with you… and in some of your other comments as well..
“Attack the structure not the current lever pullers!!!!!!!
Lets redefine our social contract so humanity can get on with evolving.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18, 2018 1:31:23 AM | 188” – good comments!!!
ditto @202 jackrabbits view..

Posted by: james | Sep 18 2018 17:29 utc | 200