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September 30, 2018

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2018-50

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The new electronic warfare equipment arrived and the first S-300 launchers were unloaded. A Russian ship is underway to provide additional air defense materials and supplies.

The not-so-moderate 'rebels' found out that the new Turkish-Russian agreement of demilitarized zone in Idleb is to their disadvantage and reject it. It will be impossible to solve the 'anarchy and terror in Idelb without force. Either Erdogan applies it (not likely), or Syria and its allies will.

Trump wants to get through economic sanctions what the U.S. could not get by force:

The United States will pursue “a strategy of isolation,” including sanctions, with its allies if President Bashar al-Assad holds up a political process aimed at ending Syria’s seven-year war, a top U.S. diplomat for Syria told Reuters on Friday.

Jim Jeffrey, the U.S. special representative for Syria, said Washington would work with countries in Europe, Asia and the Middle East to impose tough international sanctions if Assad’s government failed to cooperate on rewriting the Syrian constitution as a prelude to elections.
He added: “Even if the U.N. Security Council won’t pass them we will just do it through the European Union, we will do it through our Asian allies, and then we will make it our business to make life as miserable as possible for that flopping cadaver of a regime and let the Russians and Iranians, who made this mess, get out of it.”

Syria, Russia and Iran are already under U.S. sanctions. They won't care about such nonsense.

Trump will meet Rosenstein in two weeks or so. The issue has been moved out of the way because the push for another lying aristocrat to the Supreme Court is the more important issue. One thing is sure, that angry dude likes his beer (vid) way too much.

The comment thread provides that the propaganda power of the immensely rich fossil fuel industry is still quite strong.

Other items:

Adel Abdel Mahdi will become the new Prime Minister of Iraq. A good choice for Iran and its allies. The U.S. is already in retreat as it evacuates its consulate in Basra.

Trump about (vid) his relation with Kim Jong Un: "We went back and forth, then we fell in love. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they are great letters. We fell in love." How is Melania feeling about this?

Use as open thread ...

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speaking of us sanctions.. check this one out.. from rt..

Russia’s Foreign Ministry summoned South Korea’s ambassador in Moscow on Monday and demanded that Seoul allow a Russian vessel to leave South Korea’s port of Busan. The ‘Sevastopol’ has been illegally held at the port, the ministry said. “The Russian side demanded the [South Korean] maritime authorities’ ban on the vessel leaving the port be immediately cancelled,” the statement said. A vessel named Sevastopol was one of six Russian-flagged vessels targeted by United States sanctions in August for their alleged breach of United Nations restrictions on North Korea. The US accused the vessels and two Russian shipping companies of involvement in the transfer of refined petroleum products to North Korean vessels, Reuters said. Russia denies the allegations.

Posted by: james | Oct 1 2018 17:57 utc | 101

pft 57

*congress has 0 billionaires, *

cant verify that but here's an old joke...

JOhnny is gonna start work in the CON--gress soon,

'YOu better cut your lying habit, YOU'r a congressman now'

'Mom, in CON-gress they dont lie, they testify'

Moral of the story...
CON-gress is part of the giant cesspool in Washington, dripping with serial lying scumbags who whore for special interest, the MIC./big oil/big pharma/AIPAC....

yOU'VE THE cheek to compare it to the CCP ?

YET another one of your bizarro comments/

Posted by: denk | Oct 1 2018 18:02 utc | 102

donkeytale @88: ... after reading through the comments I will revise my implied equivalency of the major powers and exempt China ...

What are your thoughts about my comment @62:

It seems rather clear that without an external enemy, the ruling classes of ANY country or group of countries have no need for a middle class or anything like democracy. As soon total global control is achieved, there would be no restraint on the powerful and their cronies. We are on the cusp of dystopia either way, but there seems more hope in a multi-polar world.
Doesn't this meta-concern make your equivalency entirely moot? Shouldn't we focus on mending Western politics instead of providing fuel to war-mongers?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 1 2018 18:20 utc | 103

b, our generous host, thank you for the explanation re: lost posts. I know I am not permanently banned, because I have been able to post short comments in the past few days no problem. I understand your rules and will abide by them and recognize the ownership of the blog and its decisions to post comments belongs to you and so will not spam continuously as you direct.

However, clarification is needed for me regarding a long post that I put out for the "Trump Climate Change" post. It was directed at Grieved and I did put some time into it and believe it to be free of dubious science links and Big Oil Propaganda. I am not a cheerleader for implementing legislative reform based on haphazard and unclear science surrounding AGW/climate change, but that being said, I recognize the ill-effects of modern machinery and production regarding local pollution and the challenges that face governments in their plight to minimize environmental damage without penalizing business so as to render it untenable.

That being said, if posters can scream garbage about zionism and Trump and fill the comment boards with this ad nauseum, and others can bicker about reusable containers at grocery stores, I do not see why my comment about Heidegger and the question of technology as it pertains to the current debate about AGW would be seen as either off-topic, racist, or what have you. Please allow that post.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 1 2018 18:46 utc | 104

(Reposting from a previous thread.)


I dont know if its been mentioned but Putin’s party United Russia suffered a humiliating defeat in governors’ elections held before the shoot down.

Russian Federation has 85 federal subjects. On 2018 Unified Voting Day (9 September 2018), the following elections were held:

• 22 gubernatorial elections (direct vote).
• 4 gubernatorial elections (local parliament vote).
• 17 local parliamentary elections (each federal subject in Russia has its own local parliament).
• State Duma (Russian Lower House of Parliament) by-elections (7 vacant seats).

Here are the results of the 22 direct-vote gubernatorial elections so far:

• 15 acting governors (appointed directly by Putin) have won elections, among them: 13 ER (United Russia), 1 KPRF, 1 SR. (Yes, you heard that right, Putin appointed people from KPRF and SR as acting governors. In fact, Putin is not a member of ER. The party is headed by Medvedev.)
• 3 incumbent governors have won re-elections, all ER.
• 2 incumbent governors have lost re-elections, both ER to LDPR.
• 1 election has not finished yet (second round will be held on October 7).
• 1 election was cancelled due to voting irregularities and will be rescheduled to a later date.

And here are the results of the 4 local parliament-vote gubernatorial elections so far:

• 2 acting governors (appointed directly by Putin) have won elections, both ER.
• 1 incumbent governor has won re-election, ER.
• 1 election has not happened yet (will be held on October 1).

Thus, out of 26 governor seats contested in 2018 elections, ER got 19, LDPR got 2, KPRF got 1, SR got 1, and 3 are still undecided. This can hardly be called “a humiliating defeat” for United Russia. More like “a glorious triumph”.

Overall, out of 85 governor seats, ER has 79, LDPR has 3, KPRF has 2, and SR has 1.

Posted by: S | Oct 1 2018 19:46 utc | 105


This was interesting timing as Putins popularity is in free fall in a backlash against his pension reforms.

Putin’s approval rating has indeed gone down because of the pension reform, but it’s hardly “in free fall”. It went from 79% in May down to 67% in July, and has stabilized since.

@Peter AU 1:

Any links on this. I have run several searches and found plenty of western MSM saying his approval rating is plummeting but none give figures for recent polls.

The reason Western MSM won’t give any specific figures is because his rating is so high, which doesn’t quite fit in with the “Putin is a horrible oppressor” narrative. Putin’s approval rating as well as other political indicators for Russia can be found here:

Posted by: S | Oct 1 2018 19:47 utc | 106

@Julian 83 Yes Julian, my point precisely. The occupation of Cyprus has lasted for 44 years, that of the Golan heights and the West Bank for 51, and so on. My worry is that the people in Northern Syria who are now under Turkish occupation may end up in the same situation.

@b 91 Thanks for your reply. Yes I had heard the theory that the agreement is meant to prevent a Western attack before the November midterms. I have three problems with this.

1) Russia has explicitly stated that no further military operations will take place in Idlib. If the SAA and Russia attack after the midterms, Russia would be in direct violation of the agreement. Credibility is one of Russia's main weapons. That's how the SAA was able to take back SW Syria without a fight. The jihadis knew that if Russia promised they would be evacuated with their families, Russia's word could be trusted. All of that would go out of the window if the Russians attack Idlib.
2) There is no way to know how the Turkish military would respond if the SAA/Russia attacked Idlib out of the blue.
3) The Western Neocon deep state won't change after the midterms. They seem determined to deny Assad and Russia a victory in Western Syria. Yes, the temptation to respond aggressively may be higher now, just before the midterms, but that doesn't mean they would fundamentally change their position after November. They can fake a chemical attack at any time. The current US government seems to be full of people who are spoiling for a war.
If you have any information that we don't have, feel free to share.

Posted by: Conselldetretze71 | Oct 1 2018 19:49 utc | 107

Over at Colonel Lang's site the principals are embarrassing themselves in a sea of misogyny regarding trump's supreme court nominee. Sad.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Oct 1 2018 20:05 utc | 108

@Posted by: Bart Hansen | Oct 1, 2018 4:05:34 PM | 108

Indeed, they are having a field week, or so, with that...I really wonder what´s their wives opinion....

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 1 2018 20:43 utc | 109

Thanks to those harking back to Plato's definitions of cities and persons in Book VII of the 'Politeia' (Republic). I then read comments that followed with that intricate discussion in mind. Somehow, too, then crept in b's last week post on climate change - well, not 'somehow' but in response to this statement by Peter AU1:

"...The biggest problem any sovereign nation today faces is the cost of defense..."

I rather think the biggest problem is going to be that our planet becomes increasingly hostile to any of Plato's different kinds of cities or men, and that may be a Good Thing, as we increasingly focus our attention, not on our very different ideas about the Good, but like the bear, the lamb, and the lion, on how to cling to the life-preserving log floating down the immanent, churning maelstrom eroding whatever form of civilization we may happen to presently inhabit. (And on Plato, you really have to relate the text to cities and persons of his time to understand the convolutions of the dialogue. I can't do it; others can.)

With that in mind, I recommend a post today at that describes the "Global Green Growth Institute" of Dr. Frank Rijsberman, in an article by Carmen Arroyo. This gentleman works with national governments to persuade them to switch energy infrastructure from fossil fuel development to
planet-sustaining energy sources. (I did not find the comments there helpful, unfortunately.)

Posted by: juliania | Oct 1 2018 20:45 utc | 110

Bart Hansen @108: sea of misogyny regarding trump's supreme court nominee

What's worse is that the Democrats have focused on dubious allegations instead of Kavanaugh's extreme authoritarian inclination.

Media coverage has been almost completely about the allegations so the American public has nearly zero knowledge of other reasons why Kavanaugh should not be elevated to the supreme court.

The Democrats have once again served the establishment well. Their misguided(well-guided?) effort against Kavanaugh is failing (succeeding?!) and their use of dubious sexual allegations will undermine the MeToo Movement.

(Many of those 'outed' by MeToo were Democrats. And, IMO establishment women of both Parties don't want their husbands subject to MeToo accusations and lawsuits - they want to be judge jury and execution for any such fails by their husbands.)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 1 2018 20:53 utc | 111

juliania 110

US has militarily destroyed a lot of countries in the last 25 years or so. It would do the same to Russia, China and Iran if it thought it could. The US has attacked a lot of countries before that. Then there is the nazi invasion of Russia, Japanese invasion of China and so forth right back through history.
This is why I say the biggest problem is the cost of defense. It is all money that must be diverted from other programs.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 1 2018 21:24 utc | 112

My apologies to b for increasing his workload; that wasn't my intent whatsoever.

BM @96--

You'll have read my comment to that thread under the nom de plume, Outlaw Historian. There I put forth the case that the US Constitution is structured to prevent the rise of an Austinian Sovereign, although Bush/Cheney did come close. I enjoyed Lavrov's comments about Trump's claim of respecting national sovereignty as it doesn't materialize in his actions, or those of most of his predecessors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2018 21:33 utc | 113


The weirdest part is that this Kavanaugh dude has any support from any side after the histrionics he performed at the inquiry the other day.

Trump said he did fine so I guess he did fine to the true believers. But a calm reasonable demeanor is what one would expect from a candidate for the supreme court and there wasn't a hint of that. A wasp asshole with a drinking problem is what you got here.

Matt Damon nailed it on SNL.

Posted by: peter | Oct 1 2018 21:34 utc | 114

Peter AU 1 @112--

This Sputnik article discusses the hindrance lack of funds causes to Outlaw US Empire military deployments, maintenance and training. Elsewhere was an item noting that shortly the amount of the Outlaw US Empire's budget devoted to paying interest on the accumulated debt will be more than the military part of the budget buoying the overseas Empire. Of course, the situation wouldn't be so dire if corporations and wealthy paid taxes--most don't, and few pay the amount they ought. IMO, the Outlaw US Empire has reached the point where it can no longer afford any prolonged military operation, such as that waged illegally against Iraq and the one planned against Iran.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2018 21:49 utc | 115

After Nuttyahoo's UNGA presentation, Lebanon took diplomats and media on a field trip totally debunking his assertions and dubious evidence. But will BigLie Media publish the revealed Truth?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2018 22:02 utc | 116

Another Field Trip Tweet providing more context. All locations cited by Nuttyahoo were explored. Guess which nation's ambassador refused to attend?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2018 22:38 utc | 117

Here's another problem for judge K;

No matter, IMO he'll be approved anyway..

Posted by: ben | Oct 1 2018 22:45 utc | 118


You have been thoroughly brainwashed as most people are when it comes to governments budgets and what they can afford to spend

First off. The US (Fed) prints its own money. The interest they owe is in USD so there are no foreign exchange issues. Two thirds of the total debt is owed to US entities, most of that is intragency debt (eg money owed to the social security trust fund which was spent on other things and must be paid back when SS expenditures exceed receipts)

Second. The Fed can purchase treasuries at any time by creating money, and are required to return the interest to the government (which is why they rarely do so since their shareholders-the member banks -like interest)

So its impossible for the government to run out of money even if nobody else buys the treaury bills except the Fed. They could wipe out 14 trillion of US owed debt with a 14 trillion dollar coin and nobody woukd be the worse off for it, except that would pull down the curtain as the the charade thats been played on citizens all over the world

Taxes are not required to fund government. Their main purpose is to control people and to dupe them into believing they must pay for social benefits and infrastructure with higher taxes that nobody wants to pay unless it is to keep them “safe”.

Now before you give the proper propaganda response about inflation, let me point out the quantitative easing to bail out the global banks caused no inflation. The Fed + ECB + BoJ + BoE injected 10 trillion into the system and interest rates went down with little inflation beyond asset inflation. Weimar like inflation can not occur unless the money created is spread more qually beyond the top 1% and at less than full employment (lower percentage of people are working in US in 40 years even with women entering the work force in larger numbers)

Posted by: Pft | Oct 1 2018 22:52 utc | 119


Its all relative. My understanding is ER did not do as well as expected. Still in control of course but you know they want to reverse the trend

Posted by: Pft | Oct 1 2018 22:59 utc | 120


Again its all relative. Putin’s approval rating slumped to the lowest in more than a decade. Thats a worrisome tend for any politician. Distractions are welcome in such cases.

Posted by: Pft | Oct 1 2018 23:02 utc | 121

Let us now praise famous men:

Sheldon Adelson
Adam Milstein
Page and Brin
Jeffrey Epstein
Steve Wynn
Carl Icahn
Larry Ellison
Larry Silverstein

also haim saban, one of the biggest donors and who only donates to help israel, who owns univision and somner redstone who owns Viacom and and he also owns BET.

without forgetting the Sacklers, who donate Opioid profits to help Israel

“did you want to tell me something, Adam?”

“this is the girl”

“excellent choice, Adam”

Posted by: pâté de dog | Oct 1 2018 23:07 utc | 122

Pft @119--

Your derogatory remarks are pointless; I stopped as soon as I saw them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 1 2018 23:11 utc | 123

@107 Conselldetretze71 .. thanks for your post here and earlier.. i am curious about this comment and the basis for it..
"1) Russia has explicitly stated that no further military operations will take place in Idlib."
did they say this was permanent, or contingent on something in particular? i can't imagine they made a fixed forever comment here... where does it say this in the agreement? i think you have this wrong, if you think that is what is agreed to..

"We welcomed the agreement on Idlib reached in Sochi on September 17," the Syrian top diplomat added.

"The agreement is time-bound, includes clear deadlines, and complements the agreements on the de-escalation zones reached in Astana," he said.

The September 17 talks between the Russian and Turkish Presidents, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in Russia’s Sochi yielded an agreement to establish a demilitarized zone in Syria’s Idlib, along the contact line between government troops and the opposition by October 15. At Ankara’s initiative, it is planned to withdraw the opposition’s tanks, multiple missile launcher systems, artillery systems and mortars from this zone by October 10. Control in this zone will be exercised by mobile patrol groups of Turkish troops and unites of Russian military police.

and here more specifically ''puts on hold'' being the key words...
"Leaders of Russia and Turkey agreed to establish a de-militarized zone in Syria’s Idlib province, in a move that ostensibly puts on hold a threatened all-out military operations by government forces on Syria’s last terrorist bastion."

Posted by: james | Oct 1 2018 23:41 utc | 124

Pft 121
Putin has always to keep an eye on the Communist party - consistently strong across all time zones - the victory parade at Krasnoyarsk this year had dozens
of flags from the Russian workers Communist party catching the wind dramatically .

Lenin's statue was juxtaposed centrally amongst all this imagery as were the red banners !

Posted by: ashley albanese | Oct 2 2018 0:01 utc | 125

Pft @119

The dollar is a fiat currency but once it becomes generally accepted that the dollar is worthless then (as you said) "that would pull down the curtain as the charade thats been played on citizens all over the world."

The money system is essentially a model that is meant to represent some form of reality. The dollar is meant to represent some value and if the US treat the dollar as if it's worthless then that invites collapse. So there are constraints on dollars and budgets, even if these constraints just amount to keeping the illusion going.

Should the dollar lose its role as the main world trading currency then I think you'll find the illusionary money/dollar system will start to feel very real for the US and it's citizens.

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 2 2018 0:09 utc | 126


Putin’s approval rating slumped to the lowest in more than a decade.

No it hasn’t. It depends, of course, on what you mean by “more than a decade”, but let’s say you mean 15 years, then the lowest approval rating would be 61% in November 2013. Whereas the current rating is 67%. It’s all within acceptable bounds anyway.

Are we looking at the same chart? Perhaps you’ve confused Putin’s rating with Medvedev’s rating, which is, indeed, at historic lows.

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2018 0:21 utc | 127

Two more articles support Bellingcat's and The Insider's lines of evidence that the two "tourists" involved with poisoning the Skripals were really GRU agents. Both articles appear in Meduza (Russian journalists find a childhood classmate who confirms that one of the Salisbury suspects is really a man researchers say is a GRU colonel — Meduza):

".......A woman living in the town of Berezovka, in Russia’s Amur region, says she recognizes Anatoliy Chepiga as “Ruslan Boshirov,” one of the suspects identified by British authorities in the Salisbury attack that killed British citizen Dawn Sturgess and hospitalized former double agent Sergey Skripal and his daughter.

“Yeah that’s Tolya,” the woman told the newspaper Kommersant, on the condition of anonymity. She says the two were close back in high school, and she recognized his voice, when he appeared in a television interview with Margarita Simonyan on RT........"

The other article reports on the investigative journalism of the Dossier Center and Novaya Gazeta ("One of the Salisbury suspects was allegedly awarded a hero medal for helping Ukraine's deposed president escape to Russia" — Meduza):

".......The Dossier Center has published an investigative report on the website MBKh Media claiming that Anatoly Chepiga — the supposed real name of Salisbury poisoning suspect “Ruslan Boshirov” — received his Hero of the Russian Federation award for his part in rescuing deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych from Ukraine in February 2014.........Meanwhile, Novaya Gazeta interviewed three fellow soldiers in Chepiga’s old Spetznaz detachment, one of whom said he recognized “Ruslan Boshirov” in the televised interview on RT. “The Boshirov who spoke to [RT chief editor Margarita] Simonyan isn’t Boshirov but Anatoly Chepiga. He’s changed his looks, but Boshirov’s voice is Tolya’s voice,” said a man who served with Chepiga in the early 2000s outside Khabarovsk. The other two veterans said they weren’t sure if Boshirov and Chepiga are the same person, admitting that they hadn’t seen him in more than 12 years........."

Two completely separate sources identified Ruslan Boshirov by appearance and importantly, voice. No doubt the Russian government will lie and deny, but more and more evidence points at the Russian government (at the highest level) for the attempted murder of Skripal.

Posted by: craigsummers | Oct 2 2018 0:26 utc | 128

when is an illusion, an illusion? certainly not when everyone places their faith in it, or when '''some''' of the international community state they will use it for exchange in all commodities, oil and gold in particular (while simultaneously claiming they represent all the international community).. one only has to look at the paris treaty of 1919 - treaty of versailles to see how certain agreements about how to divide up the middle east, or etc. etc. - are decided upon by 'some' of the winners of ww1, but not all..

is it an illusion when the us$ is being used as defacto world currency, from the bretton woods agreement forward and especially after the us$ pegged to gold was dropped by nixon in 1971? i think it is very real and means the us$ can print as many $ as they want with no drawback in any of it, so long as the world continues to put faith in some inherent value in the us$

it is certainly not an illusion when this the country most connected to the us$ - usa - decides to put financial sanctions on others... that is like the guy who is running the monopoly board game deciding he will only let certain players, buy or sell stuff on the board.. that is called a rigged game.. at some point whatever illusion held up the supremacy of the us$ as defacto world currency is going to come apart and meet with a different reality then the illusion some presently accept as a valid basis of their reality..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 0:27 utc | 129

''on the condition of anonymity'' - gotta love that authentication! lets bomb iraq circa 2003 based on the same flimsy data..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 0:29 utc | 130

@108 bart hansen.. i noticed things started going down hill with an editorial from sept 24th thanks pl.."Have you never met a lying woman? (editorial)"

maybe this identity politics is changing on in a backhanded way with the republicans too?

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 0:52 utc | 131


This is the link, i have read similar sentiments elsewhere

Regardless of the poll numbers or counting years, surely you agree pension reforms from a guy who once campaigned to not raise the age (granted in 2005) and did not raise the issue in his most recent elections have hurt his popularity? If the polls say otherwise then I must question them

Posted by: Pft | Oct 2 2018 1:34 utc | 132

james @129--

Weaponizing the Dollar is a topic of many recent articles. Pepe Escobar has written about this move and its potential outcomes on several occasions, including this latest article. Here's his concluding observation:

"Arguably, a concerted offensive spearheaded by the SPV (special purpose vehicle) will lead the euro, the yuan and the ruble to eventually establish themselves as credible reserve currencies. Dollar weaponization, beware."

Despite what some say, dollars cannot be printed out of thin air as even fiat currencies must be backed by something--in the dollars case, it's 100% faith, even though it's lost a large 5 of its purchasing power since Nixon removed its connection to gold. Just look at the cost for certain items, autos for example: 50 years ago, a good auto cost $3-4K; now it's $25-30K. In some markets, housing is much worse--it's unaffordable for most of those workers needed to keep an economy running. Here where I live key people--doctors and nurses--cannot find affordable housing, not even apartments! There's a crazy shortage of housing stock catering to both the masses and technicians. I once lived in the SF Bay Area where the living annual wage is nearing $100K. Yes, printing all those Greenbacks did have an affect just as postulated--it caused inflation to rise.

But for millions within the Outlaw US Empire, the worry isn't the dollar; it's having employment as real unemployment is about 21% out of a labor force of @220 million or @50 million people, several million of whom are criminalized because they no longer have a domicile--it's illegal to be homeless, which is unconstitutional. Just the unemployed alone is close enough to carry a presidential election if they voted en-bloc.

In numerous nations, the national currency lacks the faith placed in the dollar; but with its weaponization and other factors, that will change. Those unwanted dollars will pile up and degrade the velocity of the dollar globally and within the Outlaw US Empire causing both to slow, although the global economy will likely substitute for the dollar and overall velocity of the basket of currencies is unlikely to slow much at all.

I suggest using the term dollar weaponization in your favorite search engine to learn more.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2018 1:37 utc | 133


I never said the USD is worthless,at least no more so than any other fiat currency. Money is simply a medium of exchange. So long as you know 100 dollars will buy you dinner for 2 in a mediocre restaurant it has value for that purpose and you will accept it for trade or wages.

The majority of trade is done in USD. Many foreigners have significant assets denominated in USD and dont want a collapse.The leading central banks/BIS control exchange rates.

The USD may fall at some point, but only if it serves the global elites purposes. Those do not include social justice or reducing income /wealth inequality, nor ending wars
Capture national resources/markets

Posted by: Pft | Oct 2 2018 1:50 utc | 134


Sorry for calling you brainwashed. But as Mark Taiwan said its far easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled (brainwashed). We all have to a far greater extent than you can imagine. Most of us just cherry pick a few subjects to question because thats all we can handle. You havent got to this one yet

Posted by: Pft | Oct 2 2018 1:56 utc | 135

@ james and karlof1 writing about dollar weaponization.

The US debt has gone up 10 trillion since 2008. Where did that money go? You and I don't have it. Between the printing press funny money, the derivatives betting on the movement of everything and the BIS that privately manipulates currency exchange between nations, the economic war that has been going on for centuries is coming to a crisis of FAITH.

I mean, why would anyone have qualms about trusting the titular heads of all the Western countries and their Central bankers?

The music is stopping and all these elite are going to come together with their dollars and lawyers and expectations of extending the current system of private finance into the future. Will that meeting happen behind closed doors like the Bretton Woods one did? Or will it be forged out in the open as part of the evolving economic war before us?

The real answer that needs to come out of any meeting of the finance minds is what happens to the current global debt. I posit that since 2008 the elite have done everything in their power to dump the debt on the public and buy up tangible property to hold during the time when money loses its faith.

Humanity seems to be stumbling towards extinction based on a cancer of the mythological strongest.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2018 2:14 utc | 136

Regarding the Skripals, it is possible to find some newspaper or website that says anything you want. The question you want to ask isn't "is there some source that makes this claim?" but rather "does this claim make any sense in the first place?" The British government claims that Russia sent two high-ranking operatives to assassinate a low-level target with an extremely powerful nerve agent that for some reason is weaker than any of the dozens of readily-available alternatives. The British claim does not add up, therefore it is false. Period. Full stop.

In addition, the individual details are far less important than the question of why we are being fed this lie in the first place. As many have pointed out, the Skripals come up every time the neocons are trying to attack Syria under the "chemical weapons" pretext. The British government knows as well as anyone else that most people have a superficial comprehension of anything that is going on, so all propaganda needs to be effective is to mash certain key words together and repeat them over and over again. "Chemicals" is one of the big ones. Anyone want to bet on whether or not the Skripals will be dragged out again when the ceasefire in Idlib expires on October 15? I'm putting the odds at 100%.

On a final note, I believe that the real target of all the propaganda--against Syria as well as Russia--is to create a political environment where Germany's weak-willed politicians are obligated to cancel the Nord Stream II Pipeline. The goal is to escalate the overall atmosphere to where it becomes an economic war but does not boil over into a shooting war.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Oct 2 2018 2:34 utc | 137

@136 psychohistorian

Agreed. As karlof1 points out, costs have risen over the years and that's what we mean by inflation. Yes, inflating the currency does work to inflate the prices of materials that it touches.

The Quantitative Easing of the Fed has pumped over $4 Trillion into the financial sphere of the US economy. Analysts marvel that no super-inflation of basic goods - beyond the almost 10% annually that continues to happen - has been recorded. But the price of stocks has soared. And the QE money has been going into stocks. There's correlation there. You have to call it causation: a LOT of the money has gone for corporations to buy their own stocks, to raise their nominal value and siphon off vast bonuses for CEOs.

Inflation. It's what happens when you increase the size of a thing.

It's the hidden tax of old, known since the times of the ancient money-changers. It transfers value to those early recipients of the increased money supply, who essentially steal it from the later recipients of that money, who in turn must deal with higher prices.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 2 2018 2:38 utc | 138

@ many

Well, obviously, Putin has a limit, and this limit has a name: neoliberalism. Some right-wing bloggers like Russia Insider and Unz like to paint him as some kind of bringer of some kind of lost conservative, Orthodox Christian belle époque, but this is pure nonsense, rightist white supremacist delirium.

The problem with Putin is that he can't see beyond neoliberalism. What he want is utopic: he wants a strong, independent Russia (a superpower) which also is neoliberal. This is impossible unless Russia somehow manages to create a Ruble Standard (this scenario presupposes the destruction of the USA as a functional superpower at the least). But if a Ruble Standard emerges, it will be a "meet your new boss, same as the old boss" for the rest of the world; plus we have socialist China as strong as ever.

Putin is in his last term. Even if he changes his mind, he doesn't have much time left in this world, because he's already 65 and the Russian man average life expectancy is 58 years. There is no viable successor for his world view (a nationalist neoliberal): United Russia preserving power, Russia will either have a Yeltsin 2.0 (i.e. an American puppet) or a crazy nationalist (much less probable). The USA won this war in 1996, when it sabotaged the Communist victory.

Posted by: vk | Oct 2 2018 3:04 utc | 139

@ Grieved with the response...thanks

I would add that property inflation is huge and plays into the elite hand in two ways.
1. Private property is a Western concept and I went looking once and determined that maybe 7% of humans own private property. In the West property is like raw materials as a store of value that keeps pace with inflation. Developed property has the added feature of extracted rent for usage that also keeps pace with inflation.
2. Ownership of property in the West provides a buy-in hook for those lucky enough to play the game or inherit such. That ownership mentality underlies more us/them attitudes as well as the sick better-than-the-rest one. The army of faith breathing Alpha wannaabees.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2018 4:08 utc | 140


This is the link, i have read similar sentiments elsewhere

I gave you the link to the hard data straight from Levada-Center, the most respected polling organization in Russia which has been measuring Putin’s rating each month for the past 20 years. It’s also considered the most “pro-Western” polling organization and thus most accurate when it comes to government popularity and other sensitive topics. It’s as close as one can get to ground truth. Why would you trust “sentiments” expressed in a South African business daily over hard data from an established Russian polling organization? And how exactly is the loss of 2 governorships a “humiliating defeat” for a party that still controls 79 out of 85 governorships?

Regardless of the poll numbers or counting years, surely you agree pension reforms from a guy who once campaigned to not raise the age (granted in 2005) and did not raise the issue in his most recent elections have hurt his popularity? If the polls say otherwise then I must question them.

The polls do not say otherwise. The polls clearly show a dip in Putin’s rating. However, it’s not “in free fall”. In other words, you’re exaggerating. How hard is it to look at the chart and see for yourself?

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2018 4:28 utc | 141

@ pâté de dog | Oct 1, 2018 7:07:55 PM | 122

Careful now, you are NOT allowed to criticize those names on this blog!

Even though you say that you are praising them, I suspect that you are not really praising them but are implying that these men have control over what we are allowed to say and not say, and who we are allowed to criticize and not criticize….

And you are NOT allowed to say this

Fix your attitude!

To be clear: attempting to criticizing the names you listed by saying the opposite of what you mean or making some kind of parody by criticizing them while pretending not to, is also NOT allowed here, so be gone troll!

Posted by: anon98371 | Oct 2 2018 5:23 utc | 142

@ anon98371 #13

I suspect that your comment is functioning as a cover for a simulation of the third order, and is STILL an effort to criticize the original names on the list….

by pretending to be outraged that someone pretended to praise them, while in fact meaning the opposite of what they said.


Do NOT name names. NO lists! otherwise people might see a pattern and start connecting the dots

If you want to criticize, use vague terms such as “the one percent” or “the ruling elites” or the “Empire” etc...terms that are so abstract as to be utterly meaningless and don’t threaten anyone

No one is going to lock you up in a cage for criticizing “the one percent”

So it’s perfectly okay to do that 24/7, 365 days a year, but NO names and NO lists of names

Posted by: Adviviash8 | Oct 2 2018 7:12 utc | 143

comment # 144 was directed at

anon98371 | Oct 2, 2018 1:23:57 AM | 143

Posted by: Adviviash8 | Oct 2 2018 7:16 utc | 144

@ vk 139

You say Russian male life expectancy is 58 years.

It is 66.4 years

It has been rising steadily throughout Putin’s tenure, since it dropped to abysmal levels under Yeltsin during the Western corporations & Russian oligarch neoliberal ‘rape of Russia’ in the 1990s.

Life expectancy for Russian males dropped from its Soviet high point of 65 years in 1987 to 57 years by 1994 and was 58 years in 2003 when Putin was still stabilising the country from oligarch crime gangs and CIA-Saudi backed Chechen jihadists.

As a man who swims 1km most days, has a gym routine and regularly plays hockey or judo and rides {bears}horses - as well as drinks in mild moderation and never smoked - VVP likely has many decades left in him {particularly with ready supplies of Novichok antidote}. ;-)

Posted by: anoncommentator | Oct 2 2018 7:36 utc | 145


Fukus always lie and it has been demonising China since 1949.

When you unquestionably peddle fukus accusations about China's 1000000 Uighurs gulags and 'persecutions of xtians', I have to question your objectivity /critical faulty/motive.

Do you even know that China is projected to be the most xtianised country soon. ?
[OMFG, that'd be the day, China is kaput, RIP]

*China has huge income disparity, blah blah blah...*

How's that compared to India, Indon etc...?

China has been cited repeatedly by UN as the model for worldwide poverty eradication.
When CCP see a problem, they have a five yr/ten yr plan to tackle it, their track record is very impressive so far.
As for good ole USA, what has it got to show for these 70yrs except wars, wars and more wars ?

Actually, thats a moot point.

China/Russia is not your idea of socialist paradise ?
big deal !

But....They dont bother us.

Its fukus thats terrorising the world with bombs, wars, jihadists head choppers.....and economic sanctions.

There's no effective resistance to this global tyranny, even Russia /China are being put thru the wringer, to make their economy scream.

Thats the trouble with fukus,
it enjoy making people scream. [1]
Iran would be next.

fukus control of airways is almost complete.
MOA/UNZ/SAKER is the last pocket of dissent , not that we are making a dent in the juggernault anyway.

But your suggestion that everybody should forget about fukus , go home to bring down their own 'elites', amounts to a call to shut down even this last vestige of symbolic 'resistance'.

It must be music to fukus ears !


*I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.*

*Lets make their economy scream*

fukus has been making people scream ever since.

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2018 8:08 utc | 146

Beg pardon, Peter AU1, I really wasn't attacking your statement, but rather using it as a pivot. My apologies; you were kind to respond, and certainly you have a good point there. I went to b's link to the NYT piece on the abandonment of the Basra 'consulate'. The emphasis there was cost, but clearly when one country's attitudes worldwide are so offensive, who would want the presence so blatantly connected to an illegal invasion that caused so much suffering? I'm afraid this country's government has had little thought how important goodwill is as compared with military might. It should have remembered this is how it historically came into being and been much more cautious this century instead of squandering its reputation the way it has.

Trump's personality is not exactly heartwarming, and as karloff1 points out, US society itself is crumbling at the impact of a badly balanced economic situation. Austerity for many, privilege for few. The hard facts are impossible to ignore. Distraction no longer distracts. The Titanic is tipping. I really hope there are rescue ships within hailing distance - I know there is goodwill out there, but how far the mighty have fallen!

It was sad, oh it was sad
It was sad when the great ship went down
Husbands and wives, even children lost their lives...

Thanks to the good world for all attempts to keep this from happening. This country did it to itself; at least, those in charge of it did. It has been its own iceberg.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 2 2018 9:16 utc | 147

Sergei Skripal initially did not believe Russia tried to kill him – book

‘the Russian spy was living quietly and apparently safely in an MI6-bought house in Salisbury.’

So HMG bought him the house, and now HMG buys the house from him so he gets the cash, that is money laundering. Of course this crime was committed by HMG, so no interviews under caution, no arrests, no charges, no court case, no convictions, no time at Her Majestys Pleasure.

‘he was at first reluctant to recognise he had been the target of a Kremlin “murder plot”’

“Murder plot” in quotes there, denoting it is obviously not true.

‘ doctors managed to save his and his daughter’s life using “novel therapies”.’

“novel” in quotes there, denoting it is obviously not true, this is more “cartoon” than “novel” methinks.

‘Skripal said he was reluctant to to be quoted directly, explaining: “You see, we are afraid of Putin.”’

Russians still use patronymic names so while Vladimir Putin is the name used by Westerners Russians refer to him as Vladimir Vladimirovich, an obvious mistake in this piece of black propaganda from Mark Urban and the Guardian.

‘The book does not answer the key question as to why Skripal’s former organisation – the GRU – tried to kill him ‘

Still zero evidence has been presented of GU involvement or of a plot to kill him.

‘His two would-be assassins – Col Anatoliy Chepiga and “Alexander Petrov”, a pseudonym – are career intelligence officers, the government believes.’

None of that has been proved at all, There is no proof presented of them being assassins or of them one being positively identified as Anatoliy Chepiga or that Alexander Petrov is a pseudonym.

‘Skripal’s current whereabouts are unknown. Yulia Skripal has indicated that she intends to return to Russia at some stage, but so far appears not to have done so.’

Their whereabouts are known to HMG as they are holding them.

My conclusion is that this Guardian article is some seriously black propaganda, what is next? Do we get a film? “The eternal Russian” perhaps?

Posted by: TJ | Oct 2 2018 10:54 utc | 148

TJ @ 149:

When Luke Daniel Harding gives the thumbs-up to a work by a BBC hack who used to be in the same British Royal Army tank regiment as Sergei Skripal's handler Pablo Miller was at the same time, you just know that the article and the book must be Seriously Black Propaganda.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 2 2018 12:16 utc | 150

@147 denk

That was an excellent statement, straight to the point.

Anti-China trolls love portraying China as being more or at least as "bad" as their own screwed-up countries.

They cannot accept the reality that China is more able to control the rich. In their mind, the rich must somehow be able to control Chinese government like their own ones.

To them, it is inconceivable that Chinese elites are being more accountable as opposed to their own ones. In their mind, Chinese elites must be as bad as their own, especially since they are not "elected".

It even goes beyond China. Some of them are even preaching "the end of humanity", "the end of the world", etc - being so arrogant as if the fate of humanity, the fate of the world is decided by their countries.

Posted by: Face The Fact | Oct 2 2018 12:17 utc | 151

A succinct quote from Patrick Armstrong on the Western propaganda war: Litvinenko, Skripal, US election interference, Assad and chemical weapons

If the West really had evidence for its accusations, it wouldn't be relying on Bellingcat.

Ockham's Razor as a Guide to Slicing Nonsense Away

Posted by: BM | Oct 2 2018 13:43 utc | 153

Does anyone have any insight into what's happening with Paveway IV? Last comment I saw from him indicated that the Feds had raided his home or office and seized his computers. Not having his insights is leaving a glaring hole in the comments around here, but fortunately we've had a huge influx of lazy/dim trolls to fill the gap.

Posted by: SlapHappy | Oct 2 2018 14:17 utc | 154


".......If the West really had evidence for its accusations, it wouldn't be relying on Bellingcat........"

They obviously do have evidence. They tracked (CCTV) the movement of the "suspects" from their arrival in Britain to Salisbury to within a quarter of a mile of the Skripal home - which is in the opposite direction as the cathedral they were supposedly there to visit as tourists. Of all the places to visit in Great Britain, they just happened to walk within a few hundred meters of the Skripal household. Quite a coincidence! They found traces of Novichok at the hotel where the "tourists" stayed. The British government also identified the "tourists" as GRU agents well before Bellingcat and the Insider did. The British government obviously has intelligence supporting that determination. Bellingcat only confirmed it.

Finally, the Russian government can at any time conduct an interview on RT with Boshirov (the tourist) and Chepiga the GRU agent - and they better look and sound alike. They know how to find "both". That would end any speculation.

Posted by: craigsummers | Oct 2 2018 14:24 utc | 155

craigsummers leaving yet another steamping pile of excrement.

Posted by: SlapHappy | Oct 2 2018 14:56 utc | 156

Wow, the Empire of Lies is on a roll with its military threats to Russia (all announced via UK-headquartered Reuters). First, Ryan Zinke threatened naval blockade of Russian energy exports, now Kay Bailey Hutchison threatens a military strike if Russia breaks the INF Treaty (which, by the way, Russia is fully entitled to withdraw from, just like the US withdrew from the ABM Treaty in 2002).

The United States believes Russia is developing a ground-launched system in breach of a Cold War treaty that could allow Russia to launch a nuclear strike on Europe at short notice, but Moscow has consistently denied any such violation.

U.S. ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison said Washington remained committed to a diplomat solution but was prepared to consider a military strike if Russian development of the medium-range system continued.

“At that point, we would be looking at the capability to take out a (Russian) missile that could hit any of our countries,” she told a news conference.

“Counter measures (by the United States) would be to take out the missiles that are in development by Russia in violation of the treaty,” she added. “They are on notice.”

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2018 15:13 utc | 157

Hudson's latest audio-cast echoes much of our discussion, and at 28 minutes isn't overly long, with the last several minutes used to plug his upcoming book. Today Trump complained about the overly strong dollar that's a result of his policies, although it's currently difficult to gauge what's happening with currencies given the massive manipulations occurring. Given the quantities of gold being bought, its price ought to be rising, not slowly falling. The gap between Brent Crude and WTI is back to $10/bbl--85 to 75--and will likely come close to 100 at year end. RT offers these small tidbits of international economic news, some of which is mentioned above.

I don't know when, but at some point Hedge Funds and Goldman Sachs level firms will begin shorting the markets to drive the next downdraft and profit from draining the bubble the Fed helped inflate. RT's current Keiser Report focuses on these "Zombie Banks" and is likely worth watching. The Fed's supposedly stopped buying T-Bills, but that doesn't jibe with it also supposedly sweeping up the excess dollars through Quantitative Tightening. I recall what Hudson said about Ricardo at the above link while contemplating the future of our Interesting Times.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2018 16:09 utc | 158

@133 karlof1 / 136 psychohistorian / 138 grieved... dollar weaponization and what happens to the debt...

i don't know the answer, but i think i see what is going seems like a big ponzi scheme to me.. very few are playing it, and those that aren't don't like what it means for them - that would include most people, including us.. i do believe the usa is trying to use the us$ as a sledge hammer on others...i think it has gotten much worse in the last 10 years, perhaps due the 2008 crisis...

@137 timothy hagios.. good post... i think the economic war does eventually morph into a hot war.. this is what we see in syria - ground zero for economic sanctions on russia, iran and syria, with only one country left out - north korea..

@139 vk.. i tend to agree with your view about putin and neoliberalism.. it doesn't get discussed any here either..

@154 BM.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 16:10 utc | 159

@159 karlof1.. thanks.. i plan on buying michael hudsons book and reading it.. i spent too much time on the computer and find reading away from it, is more enjoyable...

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 16:12 utc | 160

article that ttg points to at sst, that is worth a read..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 16:21 utc | 161


Tom Hartman and Chris Hedges today ticked off the python sequence of crushing SCOTUS decisions since 2016, and of course, even though the MAGA! Media religiously avoids speaking of it, the 'roaring' surge in Debt + Deficit + Burn Rate + Interest-Only Tithe is plain to see.

KSA-IL-US-UK and their various sitrapy gulags ain't going to fade away. Frankly it's diametrically the opposite, and if you've ever lived in the 3W, where the end stage of civilization passes by you every moment, you'd know that.

The rice bowl and the liter of petrol. That's your end state. Then just the rice bowl. Then the temple dirge. Then the shallow unmarked grave.

You are deluded to think the fiat python will disgorge!!

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 2 2018 16:33 utc | 162


Please respond to my comment @103.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 2 2018 16:37 utc | 163


Noirette, you're a sharp intellect, so I wonder if you would explain to MoA how you fell for a Corporate:State revenue 'scheme' which is exactly what the 'carbon credits'exchange bourse is called, pitched by a lifelong lobbyist and politician (Gore), hyped by a shock-jock end time hack (McKibbon), pimped by their chief astrologer NASA drone (Hansen) and prattled about and hockey-sticked by a thumb-on-the-scale bean counter (Mann), all under the over-arching 1950s Madison Avenue banner, " 97% Agree Kraft Margarine is Fat Free!"

If you simply exchange the word 'climatechange' for 'education', then recast their whole 'scheme' as a 'past the tipping point but still time to $ave it if you call right now, operators are standing by', if you imagine Gore addressing academics and the 'inconvenient truth' about academia and education, why, Gore would have been pilloried, and his 'private education credits exchange' would have met the same fate as Devos.

I just don't get it. Hulu hoops, I got. Yo-yo's OK. But 'Climate Change'? It's just another Catholic empire grab.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 2 2018 16:52 utc | 164


In SE Asia, where even the monks carry rose-gold i-Phones and selfies always capture the small banquet you were able to feast at, the new $1600 i-Phone X release is causing mass hysteria among Veblen's 'conspicuous consumers', even mental breakdowns, outraged that a new rose-gold i-Phone X costs more than the 50cc motorbike that ghosts them to their $400 a month rice bowl.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 2 2018 17:22 utc | 165

fyi TRUMPFTA. This is rare. Mostly ms Canadian media is spinning the NAFTA 2.0 deal as a'win-win'. Of course it is no such thing unless maybe you're one of the brokers to the sellout.

With its New Trade Deal, Canada Surrenders Sovereignty To A Bully

"This is all about the Americans laying down a marker,' says a Canadian lawyer inside the NAFTA renegotiations. 'They are effectively saying, 'We are going to control North America.' 'I cannot believe Canada would sign this. It makes me want to puke."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 2 2018 17:31 utc | 166

james @160--

Yes, It's the grandest Ponzi Scheme of all time. Agree about need to read more books; need to write a few too. This article mostly explains how it works. Teaser:

"These future events are implicit in Qiao’s thesis. Let us assume for a moment that his thesis is valid, then Trump’s threats to escalate a regional war over North Korea and/or Syria/Iran takes on a wholly different light. While it is a stretch of the imagination to believe that the US’s Deep State planned to “harvest” Latin America, followed by South-East Asia in the late nineties, we are entitled to assume that the US government’s own strategic advisors would have learned that manipulating the dollar’s exchange rate in this way is a powerful financial weapon, benefiting America’s domestic finances and keeping its enemies under control. By threatening North Korea, dollar investment is likely to flow out of trade and investment in South Korea and Japan, back to US Treasuries."

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2018 17:32 utc | 167

I've just read the Craig Murray article linked in the first comment. There is an interesting development linked to in a comment by Jay on page 4. It seems Boshirov took a passport application to a private company to get a passport quickly, and at that time 30-40 passport application documents were stolen and sold to a "foreign entity". The personal information was used by the foreign entity to forge numerous passports, including one of Chepiga used in a Montenegro coup false flag in 2016, and also the forged documents published by Bellingcrap.

The first of the 3 "Boshirov" photos is not Chepiga at all but Boshirov himself aged 20 on his internal ID card, the second Boshirov in 2011 aged 32 from his old passport, the third Boshirov in 2016 aged 37 for the new passport - all three included with the 2016 passport application of which copies were stolen from the company in 2016.

The recipients of these stolen documents knew all the personal details including address, so they contacted Boshirov and Petrov and offered lots of money to deliver something (slightly illegal probably) to Salisbury, possibly to Skripal himself. All a setup to create a patsy for the (presumably separate) Skripal attack, since Skripal wanted to go back to Russia. Boshirov and Petrov were pleased to be paid to take a free excursion, and enjoyed some sightseeing at the same time.

Then there is another twist - whoever supplied the photos and passport details to Bellingcrap claimed that Boshirov was Chepiga, but he was not Chepiga, their ages differ by at least a year. So whoever passed this information to Bellingcrap was actually after Chepiga, not Boshirov, and really wanted to find Chepiga (to assassinate him perhaps?). They succeeded in getting all the Russian media to look all over Russia for Chepiga. Bellingcrap/Higgins was USED, ha ha ha! Very dim-witted chap so unsurprising. That is why the UK defence minister had to hurriedly delete his tweet.

Just sketchy from here on. It looks like Chepiga may have been given a Hero of Russia honour for activities in Crimea, so it might have been Ukraine who are looking for Chepiga. By conning Bellingcrap/Higgins that Boshirov was Chepiga, they got all the Russian media working for them. Be careful Chepiga, your life may be in danger!!!

There is yet another twist. Chepiga may have been on duty in Crimea. But there are photos of BOSHIROV (or a lookalike??? - THIS IS NOT CLEAR) with members of the Nazi Azov Batallion. But Boshirov has a typical Russian face so it may be that was just a lookalike.

Twitter Elena Evdokimova @elenaevdokimov7 and here.

Posted by: BM | Oct 2 2018 18:13 utc | 168

@167 john gilberts.. thanks for sharing that.. i agree with you.. canuck politicians are a group of panzies, led by trudeau, freeland and company... what a joke is right..

@168 karlof1... thanks.. indeed, financial maneuvers such as the one you mention on north korea - have been happening on the world stage for some time - 1998 time frame in particular as a good example too...recently the question of the turkish lira being jazzed to challenge erdogan is also an ongoing question...

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 19:12 utc | 169

@169 BM.. interesting.. thanks... the thought was the ukraine secret service were behind the bellingcrap dispatch.. this helps push confirmation in the same direction..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 19:16 utc | 170

@169 BM and i am mildly curious what secret service Elena Evdokimova is working for?

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2018 19:18 utc | 171

“Millions of leaflets, pamphlets, cartoons, comic books, articles —and more recently radio and movie scripts — have been produced and disseminated in the propaganda war.”

(Samuel H. Flowerman, Mass Propaganda in the War Against Bigotry, 1947.[23])

Samuel H. Flowerman, as Research Director at the American Jewish Committee, as colleague of the Institute for Social Research, and as a kind of hub for the expansive Jewish clique of mass communications scholars, was at the center of the drive to put Jewish “opinion research” initiatives into practical action.

The clearest articulation of what this practical action would look like was articulated in his 1947 essay, “Mass Propaganda in the War Against Bigotry.”

Flowerman’s foremost concern was that, although millions of dollars were being spent by organisations like the American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League on propaganda, propaganda may not by itself be sufficient for the mass transformation of values in the host population — in particular, for the weakening of its ethnocentrism.

Flowerman’s use of the language of warfare is of course interesting in itself....

For now, we should focus on what Flowerman lists as the five aims of the “propaganda war”:

1. “The restructuring of the attitudes of prejudiced individuals, or at least their neutralization.”

2. “The restructuring of group values toward intolerance.”

3. “The reinforcement of attitudes of those already committed to a democratic ideology perhaps by creating an illusion of universality or victory.”

4. “The continued neutralisation of those whose attitudes are yet unstructured and who are deemed “safer” if they remain immune to symbols of bias.”

5. “Off-setting the counter-symbols of intolerance.” (429)

Flowerman, S. H., “Mass propaganda in the war against bigotry,” The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 42(4), (1947) 429-439.

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 2 2018 20:40 utc | 172

continued from 173

Flowerman concedes that the level of work and control required to achieve these aims would be extensive, and that the project was highly ambitious, seeking nothing less than “successful mass persuasion in the field of intergroup relations (429).”

But he is equally clear in the conditions required for such success.

Flowerman’s first condition is “control by pro-tolerance groups or individuals of the channels of mass communication.” (430)

Since Flowerman’s entire context of “pro-tolerance” activism was essentially Jewish, we may assume he is strongly implying that the channels of mass communication should fall into Jewish hands.

Since “control” in Flowerman’s phrasing is not qualified, and since many newspapers, radio stations, and movie production companies were already in the hands of “pro-tolerance” Jews, the implication is also present that this control should be absolute.

In addition, notes Flowerman, total control of these channels may still not be sufficient in itself.

The host population will still need to be exposed to the productions of mass communications, and this was to be assured via force of commercial monopoly, and/or crisis (designed or accidental).” (430)

Only then would ‘pro-tolerance’ forces see “the persuasive devices and techniques of the elite playing upon the susceptibilities of the manipulated.” (430)

Flowerman closes here with reference to Erich Fromm’s theory that people have “a desire to be controlled.”

Flowerman, S. H., “Mass propaganda in the war against bigotry,” The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 42(4), (1947) 429-439.

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 2 2018 20:59 utc | 173

The NYT is reporting that Trump was engaged in tax fraud. Does anyone recall how Obama went full neocon after the Bowe Bergdahl incident? This may well be the same kind of thing, where the neocons let Trump get away with a crime in exchange for acquiescing to all their demands.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Oct 2 2018 22:31 utc | 174

@124 James

Thanks for your comments and your links. The Russian commitment to no more military operations in Idlib came from multiple sources, here from the Independent: 'Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu said there will now be no new military operation against Syria’s Idlib by Syrian government forces and their allies.'

The second link you provided was actually the first source I have seen providing details on the implementation timetable. Still this seems hugely problematic to me. So the jihadis will agree to leave civilian areas?? (until now they have fortified themselves in urban centres and used the civilian population as human shields) Why would they agree to that without a fight?? Because the Turks are asking nicely?? And if they refuse to leave civilian areas and/or surrender their heavy weapons, what will happen? As per the article: 'If the terrorist groups do not accept this agreement, they will be considered as enemy of the Turkish army and will be fought.' Seriously?? The Turkish army, which has supplied and supported the jihadis from the start, and who is organising them across Northern Syria as a unified fighting force (Southfront video here), is now going to fight the jihadis street by street to help Russia?? Doesn't seem even remotely credible.

'In the third stage which lasts to the end of this year, state bodies will resume operation in Idlib.' Again, really?? How are the jihadis supposed to agree to that, exactly?? And what's the Turks' incentive to enforce that?? And Saudi Arabia and the US and the other jihadi-supporting powers are supposed to hand over Idlib back to Syria without resistance, because of the magic of the agreement?? Again, doesn't sound credible to me.

I think it is much more likely that the Turks will use the establishment of the demilitarized zone to consolidate their jihadi stronghold in Northern Syria knowing that no one will try to dislodge them by force. Syria and/or Russia are not in a position to declare war on Turkey (which is a NATO member) for Idlib. If Syria demands the return of Idlib the Turks will just give excuse after excuse. The illegal occupation of Palestine has been going on for 51 years now.

Ben Norton from Moderate Rebels discusses the agreement with a Syrian analyst here (highly recommended!). From the conversation, I'm clearly not the only one who has reservations about the agreement.

On the other hand, Vanessa Beeley has a very positive assessment of the agreement here (again highly recommended interview).

I'm not a zealot. I'm here to learn. I hope I'm wrong, I really am. If Idlib can be cleared of jihadis and returned to Syria without a fight and without further suffering to the civilian population, I'll be the happiest person in the world. I just don't see with the evidence available right now.

Posted by: Conselldetretze71 | Oct 2 2018 23:13 utc | 175

Nazism is perhaps the most infamous organized Nationalistic ideology in history. Today, we have Zionism. Zionism is at the top of the most powerful Western countries in government, media, banking and some industry. Russia is headed in that direction as well. Nationalism is a way to control the expanding, very racially-mixed left-leaning populace that threatens the power of the wealthy ruling class. Ironically, Jews, the majority of whom are Zionist today and who suffered historical persecution at the hands of the Nazis, are today at the forefront of a cleansing operation in the Middle East that has flooded other countries with millions of migrants. The burden placed on the social system of other countries in turn creates resentment towards those migrants who also tend to lean towards the socially more amenable left, the same left that threatens the absolute power of the wealthy 1%. Since most Zionists are in Israel and the U.S., there are much stricter migration policies in force there, however, nationalism, is growing in Europe as resentment to migratiom in left-leaning countries builds. So on the one hand you have Zionists cleansing territory around Israel, massively controlling their own borders and those of their other homeland, the U.S., and you have the mass migration from Zionist-induced wars and then you have the white backlash in Europe as well that grows the right that keeps the wealthy ruling class, the 1%ers, in perpetual power. Populism is a tool used by the ruling class to gin up nationalism, a nationalism that has evolved from white Christian power, into white Zionist Christian Power, but let's just call it by it's real name, Zionism. Trump is a prime example of a Christian Zionist chosen by the wealthy elite to sell populism to the unsuspecting white lower class that are too stoopid to understand that they are trapped in the wheel that Zionists engineered to keep us in our place. I am against their cleansing wars of convenience, against the consequences their selfish actions breed that favor them only and create problems for the rest of us, and against their absolutist Zionism that is a scourge on humanity.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2018 23:36 utc | 176

Conselldetretze71 @176--

I'm sure your concluding sentiment's shared by all MoA barflies. Unfortunately, you are likely correct that more death and destruction will occur as Russia's MoD announced the continuance of ceasefire violations by terrorists aimed at killing civilians, which in turn brings renewed attempts to neutralize terrorists. Fortunately for those incapable of escaping the terrorists, Russian and Syrian offensives to eliminate terrorists are very conscious of limiting civilian casualties unlike efforts by the Outlaw US Empire and its coalition of killers--Raqqa and Falluja being the two prime examples.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2018 23:44 utc | 177

@John Gilberts

'They are effectively saying, 'We are going to control North America.' 'I cannot believe Canada would sign this. It makes me want to puke.”

There’s karmic justice in what has happened. 70 years ago Canada gave shelter to the Banderites — fanatical murderers of Jews, Communists, Poles, Russians and even fellow Ukrainians who did not subscribe to their murderous ideology. Under the supervision of their new master CIA, these re-settled Banderites began their black propaganda work: covering up their crimes, rewriting the history of Ukraine to erase or distort its historical connections to Russia, programming their children with this new false history and a blind hate for Russia and everything Russian. One such Banderite offspring, a certain Chrystia Freeland, began her career by writing articles for the CIA-sponsored Banderite propaganda outlet “Prosvita”. She then made a quick career, no doubt helped by influential people Down South. Of course, she was never loyal to Canada, only to her CIA masters — as long as they helped the Banderites tear Ukraine away from Russia. So it’s not surprising that after she came to power (Trudeau is a puppet), she proceeded to serve the US elites, not Canadians. The lesson is clear: don’t let psychopathic liars and murderers into your country. And yet, Canada is doing it again, this time with the White Helmets, heartily welcomed into Canada by none other than Freeland. It would not surprise me in the least if decades later an offspring of a member of the White Helmets comes to power in Canada and signs away all Canadian natural resources to the US, or maybe even abolishes Canada itself.

Posted by: S | Oct 3 2018 0:05 utc | 178

@179 It may take a generation or two to brainwash Canadians into total servitude. Ironic n'est ce pas that Canada was founded by loyalists who had no desire to be American citizens. Also the ultimate guarantor of Canadian sovereignty is Queen Elizabeth II who is the head of state.

Posted by: dh | Oct 3 2018 0:30 utc | 179

@170 Trudeau does seem a bit of a pansy. I suppose he thinks he got elected by 'progressives'. But I don't see what he could have done about Trump's threat to destroy the auto industry.

Anyway I don't think most Canadians will be seduced by Trump's delicate form of diplomacy. If anything they will feel either amused or disgusted.

Posted by: dh | Oct 3 2018 1:23 utc | 180

Face The Fact 152

Somebody made this claim in UNZ recently,

'We'r under 24x7 survellance by the CIA/NSA./NSC...the Chinese, the Russians....'

Can you see the irony ?

These people apparently know all about CIA/NSA/NSC...shenanigans , yet they swallow wholesale the B.S. fed by the same CIA/NSA gang,
'There's a chicom under your pillow'

Dont be surprised there are lots of lurkers, active posters in MOA who drink the same cool aids when it comes to China.

Dunno why, perhaps the 5lies are natural sinophobes.

This is the state of the alternate media these days.

Some time I wonder why'd TPTB bother to shut downso-called 'conspiracy media', when its already rotting from within ?

Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2018 1:51 utc | 181

@176 Conselldetretze71.. thanks.. i don't get that russia is going to stop any military actions from the independent article you share.. i think this is temporary as outlined in the agreement and it is pending turkeys ability to adhere to what they have said they are going to do.. if they don't, it is back to much the same approach as i understand it..

regarding your 2nd paragraph.. i hear you and agree with what you are saying, except i don't expect russia to roll over and wait forever for turkey to follow thru with it's words.. the word has to be backed by action.. if turkey doesn't fulfill it's part of the argeement, i am going to guess russia will deal appropriately...

your 3rd paragraph.. again, i hear what you are saying, but i think russia is not going to allow turkey to annex idlib... i don't see that happening here.. i could be wrong, but at this point i don't believe i am!

i hear what you are saying and agree with your concerns.. i think this isn't a straight forward proposition that is being used for idlib and i think it is going to take some time.. i admire the russians approach to date in dissolving this war on syria.. this idlib final situation is the last, but perhaps most difficult area to resolve.. i think it is going to take some time and in that time i think we will see just where turkey stands, or not..

and yes - ditto your sentiment at the very end which @178 karlof1 also affirms..

@179 S... freelands silent backer was said to be george soros... freelands family history has been chronicled by john helmer.. i am not sure if you have read it, but you might find it interesting.. check out some of the articles in this link from 2017 if you are interested..

freeland is of course very bad news for canada, but many canucks remain unaware of this..

@180 dh.. i ain't gonna be one of those brainwashed canucks, lol..

@181 dh... yes - i see it much the way you articulate in both sentences!

Posted by: james | Oct 3 2018 2:39 utc | 182

There's a popular misconception that Zionism is as innocent as Jews populating their rightful homeland i.e. what is today that shithole Apartheid state, Israel.

That's far from the truth. Zionism is about absolute entitlement, supremacy, absolute control and a ridiculous pretense at perpetual imminent threat of extinction that justifies each definition before the latter one and the cruel, destructive and absolutely selfish means to get there. The difference between Nazism and Zionism is that the Nazis weren't successful in making their ideology global. Some refer to Zionism's expansion as the AngloZionist Empire since Zionists piggybacked on already-formed American expansionism to secure global domination.

Now is this beneficial like the Roman Empire was bringing civilization to heathens? Absolutely not, since Zionist HOLD is mostly on Western countries that were already advanced and developed. If the Greeks brought democracy to the world; Zionists are distorting and destroying it everywhere they reach.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 3 2018 2:42 utc | 183

Mass communications scholar Bernard Berelson was not just a researcher in public opinion, but also conducted a series of propaganda tests on how to make White Americans find their own ethnocentrism abhorrent.

In 1945 he conducted a study in which a cartoon was shown to the public that made connections between Fascism and American culture.

The cartoon, titled “The Ghosts Go West…,” showed ghosts leaving the graves of Hitler, Mussolini, and Goebbels, and flying to America carrying a banner that read: “Down with Labour Unions, Foreign Born, Jews, Catholics, Negroes.”

The message was clearly that “intolerance” in America was basically the demonic ghost of fascism.

Interestingly, however, the study found that Jews exposed to the cartoon were so fixated on the banner that they missed the underlying message altogether and believed the cartoon was a far right creation.

The potentially confusing nature of the piece meant it was never deployed as a “pro-tolerance” propaganda weapon

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 3 2018 4:35 utc | 184

continuing from 185

Marie Jahoda, the ex-Austrian subversive, produced a series of studies that were mere variations on the theme of White ethnocentrism, something she pathologized most famously in Antisemitism and Emotional Disorder (1950).[15]

In the same year, Morris Janowitz and Bruno Bettelheim worked together to produce Dynamics of Prejudice.[16]

Meanwhile Joseph Gittler produced such works as “Measuring the Awareness of the Problem of Group Hostility,”[17] and “Man and His Prejudices.”[18]

Herbert Blumer produced “Race Prejudice as a Sense of Group Position.”[19]

Fritz Heider worked with Kurt Lewin and Solomon Asch on unlocking the ways in which conformity could alter group behavior and individual opinions.

[20] Ernest Dichter believed his studies of the mass communications in marketing could lead to the development of persuasive techniques that could “stop the new wave of anti-Semitism.” [21]

The work of Walter Weiss concerned “mass communication, public opinion, and social change as they bear on changing racial attitudes.”[22]

And aside from his secretive work with the Institute for Social Research, Paul Lazarsfeld, while working at the Bureau of Applied Social Research at Columbia University, introduced the notion of “social bookkeeping,” a systematic service that would note and evaluate “prejudice” in any material appearing in mass media of communications.

I could go on.

[15] See for example, “The dynamic basis of anti-Semitic attitudes,” The Psychoanalytic Quarterly, Vol. 17, No. 2, (1948); “The evasion of propaganda: How prejudiced people respond to anti-prejudice propaganda” The Journal of Psychology, 23 (1947), 15-25; Studies in the scope and method of “The authoritarian personality. (New York, NY, US: Free Press, 1954); “Race relations in Public Housing,” Journal of Social Issues, Vol. 7, No. 1-2 (1951).

[16] Morris Janowitz and Bruno Bettelheim, Dynamics of Prejudice (New York: Harper and Brothers, 1950).

[17] Joseph Gittler, “Measuring the Awareness of the Problem of Group Hostility,” Social Forces, Vol. 34, No. 2 (Dec., 1955), 163-167.

[18] Joseph Gittler, ”Man and His Prejudices,” The Scientific Monthly, 69 (1949 ), 43-47.

[19] Herbert Blumer, ““Race Prejudice as a Sense of Group Position,” Pacific Sociological Review, 1 (Spring 1958), 3-7.

[20] Irvin Rock and Stephen Palmer, “The Legacy of Gestalt Psychology,” Scientific American, Dec 1990, 84-90, 89.

[21] Ernest Dichter, The Strategy of Desire (New York: Routledge, 2017), 15.

[22] Bert T. King and Elliott McGinnies, Attitudes, Conflict, and Social Change (New York: Academic Press, 1972), 124.

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 3 2018 4:53 utc | 185


I could go on.

You mean copying from the virtual library encyclopedia or distracting from the truth with poor me victim hasbara? Predictable hasbara catch. The moment someone strikes a chord of truth about your bullshit Zionism; you run to shut them down with fake intellect and sorry-assed labels. You can be fooling a lot of people but the ones you don't fool stick in you side. Some people see and you can label it as the ghosts of your favorite fascists, cause really, it takes one to know one. Your clan resurrected them all with you sick ideology, Zionism.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 3 2018 6:02 utc | 186

juliania 148

Thanks for clarifying. A pivot for thoughts. Part of the reason I like reading the comment section of b's blog.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 3 2018 6:20 utc | 187

Because Zionists can't empty the entire Middle East with their demonic wars and more importantly proxy wars as they'd rather have others, like Americans, British and other idiots die for them,they have hundreds of nukes, a military fortress manned by cowards and they have a few filthy rich slobbering monarchs and despots who betray their own people for power helping Zionists control the Arab riff-raff and unleashing terrorists in the region and in the West to sow destruction and fear and move everyone a little closer to the fearing victim herd mentality, the better to enslave them in their absolutist ideology.

Trump their buffoon puppet President was almost laughed off the stage at the U.N. a good epitaph to carve in stone: here lies the laughingstock of the world. Netanyahoo, the Zionist peddler of the next Great War should be tarred and feathered and run out of town with his posters, his verbal poison and travelling propaganda/hasbara show. He is the town crier of gloom; the prophet of doom, and a dangerous madman in waiting.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 3 2018 7:01 utc | 188

@ Circe 187

Flowerman writes:

Consciously or unconsciously, individuals use group frames of reference in social situations even when they are physically separated from the group..... The strength of group sanctions is a potent force to reckon with even for an individual with a strong ego...

It would appear, then, that to be successful mass propaganda on behalf of out-groups would have to modify the standards of the in-group. … Mass pro-tolerance propaganda, to be successful, would have to change such values, which would be difficult to imagine without control, saturation, crisis, etc. (432)

What Flowerman is proposing here is essentially a revolution in values, after which a politically correct culture emerges where the demographic majority becomes self-policing and antagonistic to its own ethnic interests.

In this environment — achieved via “control, saturation, crisis”— the strength of group sanctions among the White American in-group is directed towards manifestations of in-group ethnocentrism instead of outsiders.

It’s nothing less than a proposal for the cultivation of White guilt and pathological altruism, and the diminishment of White ethnocentrism and cultural pride.

Developed alongside his colleagues in the Institute for Social Research and the mass communications clique, these, then, are Flowerman’s six conditions for a radical transformation of values in the White American demographic majority:

Control of the channels of mass communications;

Saturation with Pro-tolerance messages;

Crisis, designed or accidental;

Diminishment of Cultural Pride and Self-esteem;

Cultivation of Self-Punishment and Group Self-Sanctioning;

Sponsorship of willing dupes or traitors.

And the end result?

It’s everywhere around you, everyone you meet

Raised in a controlled media environment, saturated with pro-tolerance propaganda, psychologically blasted with crisis after crisis, stripped of cultural pride, consumed by white guilt, and influenced by purchased “sponsors,” every “consumer” has become the perfectly gullible “product” of Samuel H. Flowerman and the mass communications clique.

Phase One = Success

Now it’s on to Phase Two in the transformation of the human mind, and the radical transformation of values

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 3 2018 7:27 utc | 189


First you really should tell hasbara central to cook up a less obvious moniker cause your's has all the trademarks of a militant hasbara operative whose primary goal is to distract and obstruct the truth about Zionism. It's recognizable in it's pathetic attempt at hubris veiled as sarcasm intended to insult the intelligence of the target of your hasbara attack.

Now please spare us phase two. You Zionists wouldn't need all that psycho-babble baloney if your primary goal wasn't as a minority to drain the power of the majority in your host country and that's why your own shithole Apartheid country is but a military fortress with hundreds of nukes and a few resorts and industry to make it look like you're content with only that piece of land and that the arsenal is limited to defending only a piece of land.

Your arsenal is contingent with the emotional blackmail (notwithstanding lots of politically-destined cash) you use to GUILT your host(s) into surrendering power to your creed, Zionism. So far you have succeeded spectacularly in a short amount of time. You even have the hosts' children dying for your geo-political ambitions. Your founding fathers Jabotinsky and Herzl and spiritual mentor that ruled Germany circa 1933 would all be very proud at how much you've accomplished and how far and high you've built the IRON WALL which symbolically is represented by your highly-weaponized arsenal and in reality and fact comprises that and the powerful influence you've amassed world-wide, including the media giants that are your propaganda mouthpiece manned with gatekeepers of your fascist creed, Zionism. Your machinations are obsessively power-driven despite an obsessive pretense at survival that gives you a less threatening image.

So quit insulting my intelligence and that of others who know and see exactly what your Zionism is: the Second Coming of Fascist Supremacy, ergo your need to corrupt democracy in the West.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 3 2018 14:53 utc | 190

Anton at 165, there must be some misunderstanding, I never once in my life supported or argued for any carbon-exchange scheme / system / deals.

The Kyoto accords I denounced as total BS (on this board) - a kind of horse trading, with only illusory written, invented, numbers, with everyone jockeying for advantage for some ‘points’..

Basically, the idea touted to delegates and the public was that ‘developed’ countries had to ease off (reduce consumption, be parismonious, restrict themselves > fat chance!) and the underdev. were given some leeway, extra permissions, to ‘develop’ aka ‘catch up’ - produce more ‘carbon’, have more leeway..; so some felt ‘victorious’, others ‘noble’ … and then BAU for ALL followed bang on!

Imho these kinds of negotiations and intl. agreements serve to obscure all that counts. Everyone gets tied up into quarrels such as does Australia deserve those favors, exemptions? (no it does not but it obtained them in the Kyoto agreements) - the larger scope is buried.

Kyoto PDF

I always use the expression Global Warming. Climate change was invented to confuse and soften.

Have a drink on me, let's prop up the bar, before the cold winds sweep into the broken windows...oh the hot winds might be more appropriate...

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 3 2018 18:37 utc | 191

What would you say if I told you I possess a document in which an influential mass communications scholar linked to Marcuse and Adorno unambiguously sets out a scheme for the capture of the media?

the mass brainwashing of White populations with multicultural propaganda

the manipulation of in-group culture to make it hostile to its own sense of ethnocentrism, the spreading of a culture of political correctness,

and ultimately, the co-option of the West by a small clique pursuing its own interests under the guise of “promoting tolerance” ?

What you would say if I told you this same academic operated a network of hundreds, if not thousands, of other intellectuals engaged in the same single task — unlocking a psychological “backdoor” to White culture in order to completely reorient it?

Instead of calling me a hasbara troll, would you then call me a conspiracy theorist?

Would you dismiss even the possibility that such a document might actually exist?

And yet it does exist.

It is Samuel H. Flowerman’s “Mass propaganda in the war against bigotry,” The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, (1947) 429-439.

A blueprint for the most successful mass propaganda campaign in human history

Samuel H. Flowerman has been largely forgotten by history, but he was in some respects as crucial a member of the Frankfurt School circle as any other.

He was fascinated by the way peer group pressure exerted influence on the individual school children he had studied, along with the potential influence of teachers as shapers of minds as well as mere educators.

The combined result of his research and thinking in these areas was his argument that it should be desirable for people like him to obtain control over the means of mass communication.

Not only, argued Flowerman, should this control be used for blanket “pro-tolerance” propaganda, but it should also actively reshape in-group standards — thus reforming peer group pressures to become antagonistic to in-group ethnocentrism.

His (then) highly ambitious goal was a culture that POLICED itself: a politically correct culture in which Whites, via peer pressure, CONFORMED to new values — values much more user-friendly to Samuel H. Flowerman and his colleagues.

Hundreds of colleagues who trained thousands of students.

His views and goals were later summarized by Herbert Greenberg, one of his colleagues in the same field, in 1957:

Flowerman de-emphasized the value and effectiveness of propaganda as a technique for reducing prejudice. He also agrees with the conception that techniques based on group structure and inter-personal relationships are the most effective

Flowerman and Greenberg were just two members of what was effectively a series of interlinked battalions of psychologists and sociologists operating with a kind of religious fervour in the fields of “prejudice studies,” opinion-shaping, and mass communications between the 1930s and 1950s, all with the goal of “unlocking” the White mind and opening it to “tolerance.”

Flowerman and his colleagues dominance of the study of public opinion (and the potential for its manipulation) simply CANNOT be overstated.

In addition to those already named, Joseph Klapper, Bernard Berelson, Fritz Heider, Leo Bogart, Elihu Katz, Marie Jahoda, Joseph Gittler, Morris Rosenberg, Ernest Dichter, Walter Weiss, Nathan Glazer, Bernard J. Fine, Bruno Bettelheim, Wallace Mandell, Hertha Hertzog, Dororthy Blumenstock, Stanley Schachter, David Caplovitz, Walter Lippmann, Sol Ginsburg, Harry Alpert, Leon Festinger, Michael Gurevitch, Edward Shils, Eugene Gaier, Joseph Goldsen, Julius Schreiber, Daniel Levinson, Herbert Blumer, I. M. A. Myers, Irving Janis, Miriam Reimann, Edward Sapir, Solomon Asch, and Gerald Wieder were just some of the hundreds of highly influential academics working in these fields....

and who ALL concerned themselves with a degree of FANATICISM with White opinion and ethnocentrism in America.

This is to say nothing of their graduate students, who numbered in the thousands.

The host population will still need to be exposed to the productions of mass communications, and this was to be assured via “force, commercial monopoly, and/or crisis (designed or accidental).” (430)

Only then would ‘pro-tolerance’ forces see “the persuasive devices and techniques of the elite playing upon the susceptibilities of the manipulated.” (430)

(from...Samuel H. Flowerman “Mass propaganda in the war against bigotry,” The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology (1947) 429-439.

Posted by: Dr. Buddy Tubside | Oct 3 2018 19:07 utc | 192

@ 193

And here’s the sad result of all that mass propaganda:

Les Brigandes - How we become an American

Posted by: resa | Oct 3 2018 21:24 utc | 193

@ Dr.Buddy Tubside 193

Wins the Internet!

Posted by: anon | Oct 4 2018 5:22 utc | 194


Hey denk. Have you noticed that in Vote'18 there has been zero talk about policies, zero talk about budgets, zero talk about $T Pentagon, zero talk about $24,000T synthetic illegal onerous odiuos Debt?
Instead, all the zeks get is pop personality cults and 'Trump's a white racist mysognist' diss'ing.

Bernie will do an MGK diss on Trump in the final days before Vote'18, but then you have to ask yourself, Bernie won't reveal his taxes either, and Red- or Blue-Koolaid, has the Fed bleed-out ever gone down? Have white privileged males ever given way to women and minorities in Congress (there are more women in the Afghanistan congress, lol).Has $245B Reagan Pentagon ever gotten smaller, under Red, White and Blue Mil.Gov UniParty?

Bmobing recommences at 09:30 Tehran time, 5/11. Another Chosen '11' (R) Event.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 4 2018 19:37 utc | 195


Don't forget Pope Albertus and his New Energy Commission! Gore studied the Frankfurt School and used propaganda as a tobacco lobbyist to Congress for many years, before earning his wings, pimping NAFTA then borrowed a focus-group 'stress position' numerancy of '97% agree' for his Scientocratic Carbon Catholic putzch, a demagoguery used successfully by Madison Avenue, to push memes onto a population that will glaze-eyed let themselves be poodled, if they think 97% of their peers agree on anything.

"97% of Scientocrats believe two planes hit two towers, then three towers free-fell to the ground!"

Oh OK, where do I send my 3Q18 $1,000,000,000,000 tithe-tribute tax payment!?

Like taking candy from a drooling imbecile.

Posted by: Anton Worter | Oct 4 2018 19:55 utc | 196

To UNHCR statistics, and President Recep to keep Kurdish groups it considers cross into Turkey, or head towards Idlib, and additional troops stationed in Afrin and al-Bab – and could Turkey’s ties to the fight in the assault and the refugee flows trigger mass displacement toward Turkey.

Displacement toward Turkey. “Preventing to territory inside Syria. Territory inside Syria. So far, terrorists from retaining power. From retaining power.

Turkey already Turkey if Idlib is attacked, advising currently has 12 military outposts in Turkey is attempting to hold off of the rebels would diminish Erdogan’s groups, the opposition-in-exile, or its desire hosts 3.

Desire hosts 3.5 million Syrian refugees, according to secure his borders. Secure his borders. The defeat a refugee influx has been, and but to instead “keep them in Crisis Group fellow, told IRIN, adding Turkish border”. Adding Turkish border

It’s not clear how northern Syria are about more than that 250,000 Syrians may head for remains, a priority for Turkey,” Armenak a deal brokered in the Turkish-Russian-Iranian Tayyip Erdogan is under pressure from him not to let them in its longstanding support for some rebel Tokmajyan, a Syrian researcher and International by insisting that Russia must uphold practice, but the idea would likely that many people may decide to the Turkish public and the EU a major regime offensive, but “a mean Turkey tries to hold on big number” would likely try to these safe zones would work in Afrin. Work in Afrin.

Erdogan’s intelligence services recently warned safe zones inside Syria near the leverage over northern Syria – it stay put in the face of. The face of.

Posted by: Crocker “Bud” Scantling | Oct 4 2018 20:45 utc | 197

@194 Merci beaucoup. Tres mignon.

Posted by: dh | Oct 4 2018 21:11 utc | 198

@james 183

Speaking of Soros/Freeland

also CTV report on coordinated NATO 'cyber' provocation

Goodale 'Very Concerned' By Russian Spies' Cyber Attack on Canada, Allies

"Global Affairs Canada said these incidents 'underscore the Russian government's disregard for the rules-based international order, international law and established norms...additional sanctions on Russia possible."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 5 2018 2:41 utc | 199

@200 john gilberts... there is a concerted effort on the part of 5 eyes to demonize russia... unless they come up with some goods to substantiate the claims, i am going to guess it is just another attempt at smearing russia with an absence of facts to back any of it up... in other words, a repeat of the skripal bs..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2018 3:32 utc | 200

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