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September 24, 2018

Russia Beefs Up Syria's Air Defenses - Tells "Hotheads" To Cool Down

The Russian Minister of Defense today announced some of the measures to be taken in Syria in response to last weeks destruction of its electronic warfare plane with 15 airmen on board. Yesterday the Russian MoD held Israel responsible for the incident.

Shortly after the event happened we noted:

On Netanyahoo's personal request Russia had stopped the delivery of original Russian S-300 long range air-defense missiles to the Syrian military. These would have been less likely to veer off towards the wrong target. In consequence an Iranian 747 was damaged and 15 Russian soldiers were killed. Netanyahoo can forget about any further such 'favors' from Moscow.

Yesterday we added:

The incident will have consequences on several levels. For one - the airspace along the Syrian coast will now be off limits for Israeli flights
...
The Syrian air defense will be further strengthened and modernized. Its personal will get more specialist training. But the probably worst issue for Israel's military will be cooled down relations with the Russian forces. There will be no more freebies, no more looking aside and direct Russian fire on Israeli forces should they again try such stunts.

These predicted measures are exactly the ones Defense Minister Shoigu announced today. Syria will get the S-300, its air defense will be further updated, Syria's coast will be more heavily defended:

MOSCOW, September 24./TASS/. Within two weeks, the Syrian army will get from Russia S-300 air-defense missiles to strengthen its combat capabilities following the downing of a Russian Ilyushin Il-20 aircraft in Syria, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Monday.

Syria ordered the S-300 systems in 2013 but Russia held back the delivery on Israel's request. Syria also had more urgent needs, especially for short range air-defense systems, which Russia delivered in large numbers. It were these systems that allowed the Syrian air defense to disable a high number of U.S. cruise missiles fired against it in April. The S-300, with a reach of up to 250 kilometers, will be able to target Israeli planes over Lebanon as well as deep within Israeli air space.

The delivery of the S-300s via transport planes from Russia already begun. There are several sub types of the system and a number of different radar combinations to guide them. There is no information yet about the exact types Syria will be equipped with and in what numbers. The first deployment will likely be around the capital Damascus.

Shoigu also announced that Syria's air defenses will now be equipped with Russian IFF systems:

"The command posts of Syrian air defense forces and units will be equipped with automated control systems only supplied to the Russian armed forces. This will facilitate centralized control over all forces and resources of the Syrian air defense, monitor the situation in the air, and ensure operative issuance of orders. Most importantly, we will guarantee the identification of all Russian aircrafts by the Syrian air defense systems," Shoigu said.

Identification Friend or Foe systems are the holy grail of any air force. With IFF an air defense radar sends an secret challenge to any unidentified airplane it detects. If the code is correct, a friendly airplane will respond with an identification token. The systems use special frequencies, strong cryptography and a daily changing code that is kept ultra secret. (NATO procedures demand that two officers cooperate in any update of such codes.) Russia held back these codes from Syria to avoid them leaking to potential enemies. It is likely that Russian officers will be present at the Syrian air defense command posts to handle the issue.

Russia will also take additional electronic warfare measures to hinder potential attacks near its bases in Syria:

The third measure announced by the Russian defense ministry is a blanket of electronic countermeasures over Syrian coastline, which would “suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory.”

Shoigu said the measures are meant to “cool down ‘hotheads’ and prevent misjudged actions posing a risk to our service members.” He added that if such a development fails to materialize, the Russian military “would act in accordance to the situation.”

The area where these electronic measures will be applied will certainly include most of Lebanon which air space Israel used several times to attack Syria. That and the upgrades of Syria's defenses will not be the only steps Russia will take. There will be additional political measure against Israel which are yet to be announced.

Israel knows that it can only do little against the Russian responses to its devious attack. That is why some of its lawmakers now ask for even greater U.S. involvement in Syria. The U.S. military will not be happy about that.

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From RT

https://www.rt.com/news/439190-russia-il20-downing-reaction/

Gotta cool down the hot heads. Did Putin under estimate national sentiment re Israel. Killing Russian soldiers doesn’t get The Chosen a pass.

Almost like Vlad had to wait for a casus belli moment to upgrade Syria. You own this Israel. Hubris

And any chatter on Russian jets turning back Israeli jet over Lebanon?

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 24, 2018 7:18:17 AM | 1

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. This is typical Russian theatre, Putin will forgive Netanyahu after he visits him to give him his latest orders. Two weeks is the deadline for Israel to apologize, then Russia will claim they are no longer sending the S-300 to Syria.

In 3 weeks time Israel will be happily bombing Syria again.

Posted by: Realistic | Sep 24, 2018 7:18:46 AM | 2

Anyone know if the 15 soldiers were given state funerals back in Russia?

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 24, 2018 7:19:24 AM | 3

What seems very significant, apart from this long late upgrade to Syrian air defenses, is news from the area that Russia had rejected the request by Israel for the bombing raid near Latakia. Seems Netanyahou decided to ignore Russia and go ahead with the mission. This could be very significant in changing rules of cooperation between them.

Posted by: Brad allen | Sep 24, 2018 7:20:47 AM | 4

These S-300 missiles must be coming from RuAF stocks for them to be delivered so quickly - difficult to believe that the Russians keep stockpes of the export version just sitting around gathering dust.

If they are pulled from existing Russia military units then they are going to have IFF as standard, so no surprises there.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 24, 2018 7:21:02 AM | 5

As I read it the upgrade will also include the existing S200 systems with an add-on IFF pack. It may also include the BUK Command and Control vehicles.

Jamming of RADAR and GPS and Comms will necessarily include Lebanese airspace.

Posted by: Charles Wood | Sep 24, 2018 7:28:12 AM | 6

The US will not give Israeli politicians an answer to their request until after the midterms.

Posted by: Ian | Sep 24, 2018 7:34:34 AM | 7

While the United States is accusing Iran of interfering in Syria's civil war, here is an article that looks at how Israel is guilty of the same "crime":


https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-syrian-civil-war-and-israeli-media.html


Washington is only too

Posted by: Sally Snyder | Sep 24, 2018 7:54:47 AM | 8

Obviously these measures are in response to domestic anger over what has happened. But I doubt anything has changed.

I guess we must wait and see. Not holding my breath

Posted by: Pft | Sep 24, 2018 8:02:41 AM | 9

Don't underestimate the influence of the widespread criticism of the Kremlin's traditional weakness before Isreali insults. From both inside Russia and outside there was an immediate chorus of sympathizers yet critics tired of Russia always rolling over. And the Putin regime cannot afford to ignore/alienate so many who are otherwise an important support for the government. If you keep pissing off your allies, they will turn against you or abandon you. And matters are nearing that point. At some point the regime needs to stop being so bloody tricky and act in a clear and straightforward manner that heartens its supporters. It's called Politics.

Posted by: Robert McMaster | Sep 24, 2018 8:09:36 AM | 10

I should think that the main problem for the US/NATO and Israel is the possibility of a hard-right military coup d'etat against Putin. The good will Putin has built up among ordinary Russians and the establishment is eroded by his lack of forceful responses to Israeli, Turkish and American actions.

Posted by: bob sykes | Sep 24, 2018 8:27:12 AM | 11

Within 2 weeks!

I seriously doubt that. If it could be done that quickly why haven't they done it before?

Load of crapola.

It'll take a good 5-6 months or never.

More smoke and mirrors. If you're going to get involved in saving a country you don't do it on the cheap and you don't take only half-measures!

You have to be joking.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 24, 2018 8:29:58 AM | 12

Besides - the war in Syria is over. Russia & Syria won, and the US slinked away in disgrace.

Why do Syria need more weapons of war when they've already won?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 24, 2018 8:38:24 AM | 13

Re: Posted by: bob sykes | Sep 24, 2018 8:27:12 AM | 13

Surely you can't be serious bob.

A "hard-right" coup against Putin would be mana from heaven for the US! They would absolutely love that.

MIC would be popping champagne corks. Imagine the Spending on Defence with a right-winger in power in Moscow.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 24, 2018 8:40:23 AM | 14

@14

Russia doesn't telegraph its actions so far in advance as the US does. There has been a significant uptick in transport planes recently, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the components have already arrived. They are, as B said, likely to be partially staffed by Russian military forces, something which I'm sure has been communicated to NATO and the Israelis. Russia has enormous stocks of AD systems, and they are intended to be highly mobile in order for quick redeployment. I'd bet many will be operational before September 26.

Israel has standoff weapons it can use to strike targets, along with drones. These new SAM systems won't prevent all attacks, but will certainly allow the Russians/Syrians greater say over the use of Syrian airspace.

That Israeli move was extremely foolish. The Russians likely had this response at the ready for the past couple of years, waiting for just such a moment to reinforce their position in Syria without looking like an aggressor or party to escalation.

Posted by: Out of Istanbul | Sep 24, 2018 8:45:21 AM | 15

As I mentioned yesterday, Israel made a big mistake and chose to attack targets in Syria while a Russian plane was still at risk. The enormity of the mistake can be seen in the response by Russia which is now closing off Syrian (and possibly Lebanese) air space from Israeli jets. It also clearly shows why Israeli pilots would not have hidden (radar speaking) behind the Russian plane. The response by Russia was predictable.

The IDF will be forced to use cruise missiles or otherwise fire from Israeli air space. The hot line to Russia will remain open for communication, but once the S-300 missile defense system is in place, Russia controls which Israeli targets are off limits. Things could get dicey if Russia attempts to cut off all targeting by US-backed Israel. The US is content to remain in Idlib where it can help determine events on the ground where the interest of Turkey and the US align.

Posted by: craigsummers | Sep 24, 2018 9:01:45 AM | 16

$in Russian surface-to-air missile systems we trust$

wow, now i get why that Saker dude is always talking about God,...
and weapons systems!

….

Now, when I talked to God I knew he'd understand
He said, "Stick by my side and I'll be your guiding hand
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to"
(Peter Green)

Posted by: john | Sep 24, 2018 9:11:35 AM | 17

Russian MoD explicitly denies claims made earlier by Israeli MoD

"At 22:03 a Syrian anti-aircraft missile engaged a larger and closer target – Il-20 airplane. The commander reported on the fire on board and emergency descent. At 22:07 the Russian Il-20 survey airplane went off the radars. Meanwhile, the Israeli jets did not leave for their air space but stayed in the region and continued patrolling in the air till 22:40."

and

"I would like to stress that during negotiations via the deconfliction channel, the representative of the Israeli Air Force Headquarters reported on the targets assigned to the Israeli aircraft in north Syria. The dialogue was held in Russian. The Russian Defence Ministry has a record of the talk.

.....

As you can see on the map, the Israeli jets delivered strikes not in the north of the Syrian Arab Republic but in Latakia region which is the western province of the country. Besides, the city of Latakia is located on the western coast."

So, basically Russian MoD claims that Israel AirForce DID NOT alerted Russia about their operation, that culminated in the misfortunate downing of Il-20.

Some other operation was announced, indeed. But not this one.

Now, that is quite a claim.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 9:13:41 AM | 18

MOD forces Putin's hand. Putin will walk this back though. He and Netanyahu will have one of their special meetings.

Posted by: paul | Sep 24, 2018 9:36:38 AM | 19

I'm happy Russia is finally giving Syria the S300...should have done this long ago. Reading the non corporate U.S. Fake News, it's clear to me Israel was invading Syria at will. And domestically, Israel is a racist arpartied almost Nazi nation (how ironic is that?) towards Muslims. Don't say that in the U.S. you can get fired from your job.

Posted by: timbers | Sep 24, 2018 9:37:18 AM | 20

The delivery of the S-300s via transport planes from Russia already begun.


Famous Russian-speaking twitter user 'Голос Мордора' ('Voice of Mordor') reported yesterday:

A caravan of military transport aircraft Il-76MD of the Russian Aerospace Forces (RF-78810, RF-76762, RA-76747, RF-78757) flew to the air base in Latakia. I wonder what surprises [they] brought?

It may be very first supplies of equipment.
Another source, which reports about the flights of Russian transport aircraft to Latakia.

Posted by: alaff | Sep 24, 2018 9:44:42 AM | 21

Posted by: craigsummers | Sep 24, 2018 9:01:45 AM | 18

It also clearly shows why Israeli pilots would not have hidden (radar speaking) behind the Russian plane. The response by Russia was predictable.

Or they thought that Syrian Air Defenses would recognize the Russian plane and would not fire.

It is possible they miscalculated.

The attack near Latakia is especially unusual because the port city is located near a Russian military base, the Khmeimim Air Force base. The base is home to Russian jet planes and an S-400 aerial defense system. According to Arab media reports, Israel has rarely struck that area since the Russians arrived there.

I think there was some idea to demonstrate that they would "reserve the right" to hit wherever they wish to in Syria. It was also an attack on Syrian morale and possible an attempt to threaten Assad.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 24, 2018 9:46:21 AM | 22

Trolls still trolling. First they said Putin was weak and would do nothing. Now they continue with nonsense like: Putin will walk this back within weeks.

LOL

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 24, 2018 9:47:13 AM | 23

"The command posts of Syrian air defense forces and units will be equipped with automated control systems only supplied to the Russian armed forces."

SmoothieX12: https://defense-update.com/20060618_polyana.html

Hmm... questionable qualification of SAA AD crew was long bugging me.
If SAA crew would be cut out of control, maybe is would make things better.
At least it would stir and change them.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 9:50:33 AM | 24

@Biswapriya Purkayastha #24

Bill, Putin is an arbiter, a broker between several power groups with their ideas which of many options and compromises is currently more optimal.

Israel landed a huge blow on pro-Israeli groups, shifting the balance. It is natural.

It does not require fantasizing about "soft coup", if at least because it can work both ways. We can equally fantasize that Putin was "soft couped" when he started "appeasing Israel" in 2015 and is breaking out of the "soft coup" chains right now.

Both ideas are fundamentally unverifiable wishful thinking.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 9:54:50 AM | 25

More fresh propaganda right off Russian Vesti TV :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da7fgKw5ERk

Though I think it is just a re-telling of what already was told by other sources.

Just for collection, or for those who enjoy it :-D

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 9:59:48 AM | 26

add to 22

Or possibly done for Israeli morale after the blow in Idlib.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 24, 2018 10:04:29 AM | 27

@Yeah, Right #5

> difficult to believe that the Russians keep stockpes of the export version just sitting around gathering dust.

Now that is interesting. We are in capitalistic world afterall.

Did Syria paid for those S-300 back in 2015?
If Syria did pay, did Russia returned the payment?

Because, if it is "yes" and "no" then those S-300 units, despite being located inside Russia and denied a ticket outside, they were already belonging to Syria. And they, if such could be the case, could be literally kept in some hangar collecting dust. And no Russia just removed the barrier and provided a lift to already Syrian equipment.

Just speculating.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 10:06:10 AM | 28

@Arioch $28

I would imagine it only takes a few strokes of the keyboard and a few minutes with a screwdriver to change a non-export model into an export model.

Posted by: jiri | Sep 24, 2018 10:16:19 AM | 29

Realistic

Indeed, a bit of a russian theatre here might be whats going on now. We have to remember that Russia refused to sell it earlier to Syria and Iran, there is nothing to say that Israel/US will come up with a offer to Russia after this. We have to wait and see.

Posted by: Zanin | Sep 24, 2018 10:17:26 AM | 30

@MoA mods, I think you guys could take a second look at censoring Biswapriya Purkayastha's posts, while the guy might be heavily biased (and who is not?) and bitterly sarcastic, it is not that he can not reasonably opinionate about his position. Guess you were a bit too trigger-happy here.

Just happen to know him on another social network.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 10:21:37 AM | 31

You won't believe this, the whole wide WWW is having a party. I looked into the comment section of the zerohedge site, people are beside themselves with joy.

[https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-24/russia-will-supply-advanced-s-300-anti-aircraft-system-syria-cites-downed-plane]

The downside of too crafty perception management. It might well be that the tide is turning. It has a very long way to ebb.

Posted by: @_vec | Sep 24, 2018 10:21:58 AM | 32

Russia has added a lot of S-400's to its air defenses in the last couple of years. The S-300's going to Syria now may be surplus to requirements in Russia.


Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 24, 2018 10:23:20 AM | 33

Julian

There is also the question of who is going to have the "power" over the S300 (- syrians or the russians)? Is it over the Russian bases in Syria? Is it for Syria itself and if - could they use them as freely as they want?

Will if delivered Israel bomb the transport as soon as it get to Syria?

The purpose of "two weeks"? Why say that at all?

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 24, 2018 10:27:10 AM | 34

Posted by: @_vec | Sep 24, 2018 10:21:58 AM | 32

:-))

Israelis are in denial. Or about to start WWIII.


Tyler Rogoway @Aviation_Intel


IF Moscow actually follows through with providing S-300 batteries to Syria it’s not like it will stop the IAF. Standoff munitions for one. Second, IAF has trained against S-300s for years in Greece (& in the US). Finally, IAF has F-35 if needed. Those S-300s will be vaporized.


Posted by: somebody | Sep 24, 2018 10:37:26 AM | 35

@jiri #29

> takes a few strokes of the keyboard and a few minutes with a screwdriver to change a non-export model into an export model

quite maybe

but then it would make allegedly ongoing massive S-300 supplies into a "gift" or at least long-term loan.
most the "Putin the weakling" critics told that Syria is ready to purchase S-300 thus Russia would have not lost but profited selling AD to Syria.

I am just following this line here, giving the "Putin the weakling" and "Syria strong" camp a benefit of a doubt.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 10:40:53 AM | 36

@35 s

Tyler Rogoway @Aviation_Intel

...IAF has F-35 if needed. Those S-300s will be vaporized.

Assuming no birds are on the flight path of those F-35s

Posted by: xLemming | Sep 24, 2018 10:43:39 AM | 37

Long overdue in my opinion. Still shocked that Israel pulled a stunt like this. Its time someone pushed back against it. This was a good move even if it did come late. I don't know that Russia will actually go through with jamming Israeli planes even though they do have the capability to do so. Israel wont risk launching any attacks near Russian forces like that ever again no matter how important the target is.

There will be nothing done in the US until after November elections thankfully. the very last thing the President can afford is American casualties in the Middle East. Let Israel cry all it wants, theyre lucky they've gotten away with as much as they have so far.

Posted by: DannyC | Sep 24, 2018 10:43:47 AM | 38

Thanks again b, for this update. I was unable to view the Shoigu video on your link, but it is available through youtube on the Saker site. What I would like to emphasize from seeing that is that we have now learned that the informative Israeli message received by the Russians one minute before the incident was itself duplicitous, since it informed them that the four jets would be attacking in the north, whereas they were then attacking westward. The Russian plane had been in the north where it would have been safe had not the message conveyed erroneous information.

Then too, as has been pointed out, those jets remained in proximity of the mishap for more than half an hour, circling. Did that prevent Russian attempts to access the area for rescue or salvage operations? It is hard to understand why these provocative actions have occurred at all. Surely the Israelis would have known how seriously this would be taken by Russia? Did they assume Russia's ties with its former but now Israeli citizens would allow them such aggressive moves? I am puzzled.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24, 2018 10:44:16 AM | 39

@35
No worries, then.

Posted by: @_vec | Sep 24, 2018 10:44:35 AM | 40

if russia really has closed syrian airspace to israeli planes, who wants to bet we are going to start seeing american jets flying out of israel.

Posted by: pB | Sep 24, 2018 10:54:16 AM | 41

My guess; Nothing of any consequence, before the U$A mid-term "elections".

Posted by: ben | Sep 24, 2018 11:02:17 AM | 42

russian mfa official, reportedly: s-300 supplies will not damage Russian relationship with Israel

www.translate.ru -> https://cursorinfo.co.il/all-news/rossijskij-mid-zayavil-chto-postavki-sirii-s-300-ne-isportyat-otnoshenij-rf-s-izrailem/

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 11:08:19 AM | 43

A decisive move by Russia.

Posted by: adamski | Sep 24, 2018 11:09:23 AM | 44

P.S.- With one caveat, at my 42, A possible "false flag" incident to affect the mid-terms.

Posted by: ben | Sep 24, 2018 11:10:35 AM | 45

@bob sykes

I should think that the main problem for the US/NATO and Israel is the possibility of a hard-right military coup d'etat against Putin. The good will Putin has built up among ordinary Russians and the establishment is eroded by his lack of forceful responses to Israeli, Turkish and American actions.

You keep repeating your bullshit. Did you read my answer to a similar comment of yours in a previous thread? There is no possibility of a military coup in Russia. Zero! Russian military loves Putin — Putin is the best thing that happened to Russian military since Brezhnev. As to “goodwill among ordinary Russians”, Putin commands approval ratings that Western leaders can only dream of: http://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ (the recent slide to “just” 70% approval is due to pension reform, not foreign policy). As an “ordinary Russian”, I don’t want “forceful responses”, I want responses that make sense and improve overall strategic position of Russia.

Posted by: S | Sep 24, 2018 11:15:19 AM | 46

Very few people commenting here are aware that the Russians are the largest minority in Israel (officially, because the Muslim Arabs are second class citizens without the right to vote), making up almost 20% of the "official" population. They mass migrated to Israel after the fall of the USSR, and make the core of the hyperconservative zionist ideologues of modern Israel (Avigdor Lieberman, for example, is a Moldavia-born Russian). That's why Israel's ties with modern Russia are stronger than what it seems.

Posted by: vk | Sep 24, 2018 11:19:30 AM | 47

@vk $47

"That's why Israel's ties with modern Russia are stronger than what it seems."

Using this logic Russia should have good relations with Georgia and Ukraine too.

Posted by: jiri | Sep 24, 2018 11:24:28 AM | 48

Israel is gradually loosing ground and in panic mode. Netanyahu counts on the jewish Lobby in the USA to pressure for actions on Iran, Iraq, Syria, Gazza, Lebanon. The net is closing on Israel.
Trump is giving small political gifts to Israel but witholding the most importants.He seems to want Israel weaker, desperate and more dependent on the USA so he can force big concessions on the Palestinian looming plan. He is doing the same with Saudi Arabia, tolerating the yemen genocide for now to get concessions. He is counting on Russia to act as the boogeyman for Israel and on Russia to obtain concessions from Syria on the Palestinian plan. He is also trying hard to weaken Iran for the same purpose.
all will unravel soon..

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 24, 2018 11:27:06 AM | 49

@jiri #48

well, if there would had been a large and internetworked minority in USSR that dreamt of emigrating to Georgia and Ukraine, and did so in the wake of Perestroika - then perhaps "same logic" could be applied.

But Israel never was part of USSR while Ukraine and Georgia were. Dynamics i nand since 1990s was very different

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 11:28:40 AM | 50

Words of wisdom, which undress the hasbarists and Fifth Column: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/...il-20/#new_comments

Rurik: "The Fiend is slathering for a war between Russia and NATO. They want to ‘rope a dope’ Putin into total war just like they did with Hitler and ‘the corridor’. WWII was the Fiend’s greatest triumph to date. Not only did it wipe out 60 million anti-Semites, (often in the most horrific ways imaginable), but it secured the triumph of Israel as a state, and solidified their absolute domination of the West.

An all-out war between Russia vs. Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, etc.. with NATO providing the munitions and Eastern Europe providing the cannon fodder, would be so orgiastic to the Fiend that it would be like watching Gaza burn, but on a civilizational, epic and era-changing scale!

Virtually every single government leader of the zio-west, not to mention every single media outlet, both putatively left and right, would be hailing the war against Russia as if Putin were Adolf Hitler only ten times worse, and that this is an existential battle for the future of freedom on the planet!

The hysteria can’t even be comprehended, but it would envelop the globe, and crush like a tsunami over the very few voices of reason, who’d be demonized as ‘Putin lovers!’

Even today, the slightest suggestion that Putin didn’t personally ‘hack our democracy’ (and invade Crimea and shoot down MH17, and assassinate umpteen journalists and former spies… ad absurdum), is considered tantamount to treason and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/13/fireworks_tucker_carlson_vs_max_boot...

So Putin is walking a very dangerous line. Time is on his side. The closer Syria gets to stability, the better it is for Syria, Russia, and all the people on the planet not aligned with the Fiend. I.E., those not in government or media. All of us ‘normal people’, for whom Putin is our champion.

(((They))) want war, we want peace. They have unlimited resources and a completely compliant western press and all kosher government officials and elites, (ZUSA, France, England, Germany, Poland, Canada, and on and on).

When Putin invites bibi to participate in Russian parades, he is acting as a supreme statesman, using flattery and unctuousness (however distasteful to the rest of us) to avoid WWIII."


Posted by: Anya | Sep 24, 2018 11:29:40 AM | 51

@juliania #39

> those jets remained in proximity of the mishap for more than half an hour, circling. Did that prevent Russian attempts to access the area for rescue or salvage operations? It is hard to understand why these provocative actions have occurred at all

Just speculating about chutzpah.

IAF could count on the massive search-and-rescue operation by RuAF - which would require turning off all the air defenses in the area.
Then, as Syrian's would down their AD units to let RuAF S&R go on without more friendly fire casualties, IAF would had taken the opportunity to fly deep into Syria and make some close-range air raid against targets they can hardly attack from faraway.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 11:34:34 AM | 52

What I wonder, if there would be a reason for Damascus to roll some of "their" S-300 units into Lebanon.
Of course Russia would never have done such a distasteful anti-Semitic act of aggression, but those Syrians, you know, they are already infernal boogiemen, so they could have little to loose.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 11:42:40 AM | 53

Can someone please tell me if the announcement of a permanent American military base in Israel was affected or will affect this situation?

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 24, 2018 11:46:59 AM | 54

Excellent! Rapid modification of policy to what it ought to have been starting in 2015. Now we await the eventual Zionist challenging of that policy. But before that, I expect to see Zionists use Jordanian airspace for their next attack as they've done before. The question I have is how much operational independence will Syria have in using the S-300 system--will SAA need Russian permission to fire?

Otherwise, SAA's moving two divisions from Idlib region to the desert region to rout the rest of Daesh and increase pressure on Outlaw US Empire to abandon al-Tanf. But that doesn't mean nothing's happening in Idlib area as there's plenty of work to do outside of the deconfliction zone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 11:50:10 AM | 55

So much for US Stealth aircraft -

Russian fighter jets intercept U.S. F-22 Raptor flying over Syria

Posted by: TJ | Sep 24, 2018 11:54:50 AM | 56

I think some of you dont get the full picture.

-RU after the IL20 event issued a drill NOTAM for the Eastern Med in effect until Sept 26th blocking flights over SY.
-Several sources mention multiple IL-76MD flights from the Caucasus to SY.
-Here is a Tweet from a known SAAD soldier with what looks like S300 components:

https://mobile.twitter.com/syrian_sr/status/1044225103637221378

IMO what Shoigu is saying is that the S300 complexes will operational within 2 weeks. Delivery has already started..

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 24, 2018 12:09:02 PM | 57

The anti-Putin, anti-Russia voices are out running their mouths again.

You know who understands this MOD move?

Jet pilots flying those F-16s, F-35s for the Israelis and US.

They know they have no chance any more.

End of argument.

No one who understands the Russian mastery of SAMs for the last 60 years will fly against these S-300 and S-400 systems.
From now on its Drones or nothing.


As for all the negative voices, you all are ridiculous and ignorant of the facts. So ridiculous and so ignorant.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Sep 24, 2018 12:23:18 PM | 58

TJ @56--

I was just going to post same info. Clearly, Russian MoD released the targeting images to send a message, not just to the Outlaw US Empire, but Zionists too. This request to Iran for use of one of its western-most airbases is likely related to basing its best air-superiority fighters for 24/7/365 combat air patrolling of region. After the Ahvaz terrorist attack, that request's likely to be granted. IMO, the declared Electronic Warfare Zone over Western Syria and Eastern Mediterranean will need to be extended to cover all of Syria and Iraq at some point in future as such will be urged by Iran after the Outlaw US Empire's terrorist attack in Ahvaz. Of course, it was entirely predictable that Bolton would term Syria's acquisition of S-300 as an "escalation" since it's a defensive weapon system.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 12:25:19 PM | 59

At each turn of the screw on dying empire I smile. Reading the trolls here with their canned drivel also makes me smile.

How many more countries are going to align with China/Russia et al because of Israel's uncivilized actions?

And how many more countries are going to align with China/Russia et al because of Russia's judicious and measured response?

From trickle to stream to torrent the challenges to the God of Mammon are coming.

The proxy wars to keep a jackboot on global finance are not working like before and nuclear war is the chicken shit way out but precedence has been made......

It really comes down to some folks thinking they are better than all others and must be in charge/control and/or eliminate non-believers/adherents......monotheistic religions, of which the God of Mammon is the one ring to rule them all.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 24, 2018 12:46:16 PM | 60

somebody

Israel will keep bombing though no matter what and it wont lead to ww3, perhaps as mentioned before, they might bomb s300 before it is getting in place, if s300 is to be delivered.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 24, 2018 12:46:43 PM | 61

@Anya: Please don’t put long URLs inside < A > < / A >. If the link URL is long, put a shorter text description inside the link like so: < A > text description < / A >. You’re breaking the site layout and making the text hard to read for other users.

Posted by: S | Sep 24, 2018 12:49:42 PM | 62

These are the actions we were expecting since 2015 from Russia.

Putin and his staff must be congratulated on such a transcendental
move.

Posted by: CarlD | Sep 24, 2018 1:05:09 PM | 63

reply to:
"Then, as Syrian's would down their AD units to let RuAF S&R go on without more friendly fire casualties, IAF would had taken the opportunity to fly deep into Syria and make some close-range air raid against targets they can hardly attack from faraway."
Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 11:34:34 AM | 52

I wondered about that, I think you are right and from what I am reading; the target they were hoping to get a second crack at was Assad as he was at that location as he was scheduled to fly to Russia.
Another possibility: they were waiting/hoping Russia/Syria would strike the French ship in which case they and the UK planes would attack, justifying a NATO full assault from the NATO ships in the Med and probably WW3.

Maybe this is what Trump was referring to when he said he was waiting to make a decision. He let this NATO/Israeli plan go through while once the attack happened(and the plan failed) he stressed that the US had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: frances | Sep 24, 2018 1:21:34 PM | 64

One thing to take into account is that the IDF set up the Il-20 before they used it as radar cover.
ie. The IDF notified the Russians that they would be attacking the NORTH (towards Aleppo). The Il-20 was in that area already and so it made it's way to the West (Latakia and base) so as not to be involved. The IDF then attacked Latakia.
ie. The Israelis LIED to the Russians from the start.

Followed the statement by Putin that it was an an unfortunate error by the Syrians etc. This gave an opening for the Israelis to make some sort of excuse and ask for "pardon", ie a political way "out". However, they Lied again and and tried to blame it ALL on the Syrians claiming that they were long gone and so on, treating the Russians as idiots.

"Once a liar, always a liar"
Now the Russian can never be sure that the Israelis haven't lied yet again. So things have changed, even more than would be suggested by the introduction of the S-300.

Note that the IDF has already used the "cover" of a third party air supply route used by the US over Al-Tanf, to attack Syrian troops at Palmyra.

One thing I learned from the full report published by "Sputnik" is that the Russians had previously removed 24 anti-air missile units from the Golan heights to "please" Netanyahu and reduce tension from a supposed Iranian presence in that area. (Can't find the full article any more for a link?)

Posted by: stonebird | Sep 24, 2018 1:37:01 PM | 65

psychohistorian @60--

As reported by Xinhua, China has published "a white paper on Monday to clarify the facts about China-U.S. economic and trade relations, demonstrate its stance on trade friction with the United States, and pursue reasonable solutions." What follows is a short recap of the paper's main points. No pretensions are made as to where the fault lies, the paper stating thanks to Trump:

"As a result, trade and economic friction between the two sides has escalated quickly over a short period of time, causing serious damage to the economic and trade relations which have developed over the years through the collective work of the two governments and the two peoples, and posing a grave threat to the multilateral trading system and the principle of free trade."

However, China sees no improvement in relations despite its efforts since "the U.S. side has been contradicting itself and constantly challenging China." Such "challenging" is consistent with declared Outlaw US Military and National Security policy versus both China and Russia, which as you note is losing its last few adherents as Abe and Modi are likely to lose their upcoming elections, and May's Tories seem to be doing their utmost to secure a Corbinite Labour victory. Although in slow motion, the wheels on the Outlaw US Empire's chariot are falling off while its horses are pulling up lame. Very soon, the only presumed ally remaining will be the Zionist Abomination as even Taiwanese are turning on their US-backed, independence touting president.

IMO, a Labour victory in UK is the key as Corbyn's campaign promises to immediately derail Tory neoliberalism and reinstate fundamental Labour Party Socialism. Such a victory will also dramatically affect UK terror ops in Syria and the whole edifice of anti-Russian relations. I don't think it's much appreciated how much is at stake in UK if Corbyn wins or loses. MI6 and MI5 are already deeply involved in meddling. Thankfully, it appears the UK public has had more than enough of the Tories.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 1:53:01 PM | 66

stonebird @65--

Here's your link, although it was "24 multiple launch rocket systems were withdrawn from the Golan Heights with Russian military's assistance," not air defense systems. An article about the outcome of the shoot-down I missed stresses "Israel Will Have to Demonstrate That It Values Russian Lives:"

"Israel now factually has two simple options to choose from: Either it assumes its obligations and accepts responsibility for ensuring that no more tragic accidents involving Russian aircraft happen from now on, or it refuses to assume responsibility, thereby shifting Russia's obligation to fully ensure the safety of its soldiers on itself, without relying on any agreement with Tel Aviv."

So, what did the Zionists do? They went to Moscow and lied their asses off, clearly demonstrating they chose the second option, and will now have to endure the consequences.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 2:19:56 PM | 67

As mentioned above there seems to have been significant Il-76 airlift going on since the middle of last week so the S-300 are probably in Syria and working up to live operation in a couple of weeks. We can probably assume that a couple of Pantsir have gone along for protection, all operated by Russians in the short term, unless Syrians have been quietly being trained up already. Wonder if it is one system or all the systems that Syria had on order back in 2013 when the Russians conceded to Israel's request to not deliver.

It must be highly likely that these are full RuAF specification units probably just come out of RuAF use being replaced by S-400. This makes it probable, given the need for success, that the Syrians will not have actual control of the system for quite a while if ever, particularly if it is a RuAF specification (as one might expect given the importance) system not export. Probably shipped on 'evaluation loan' basis. However, this will definitely be labelled a SyAF system as soon as it is installed. As such Syria is likely to have complete control of the political fallout of any action but little technical control in it. Lots of SyAF operatives in the area, especially with the probable associated Pantsirs, but not actually in the front row in the control cabin.

If the situation arises and they hit an F-16 then Syria gets the glory and shit fallout whilst Russia smiles and gets its back slapped. If they miss its the fault of the undertrained SyAF not a S-300 failure.

An interesting aspect to this is that there will now be yet another Russian defence system in Syria under testing in a war situation. The existing directly RuAF controlled S-300/400 systems not really being in that category. As it is a member of the S-300/400 family this is a massive opportunity for a system with tremendous export potential to potentially become a proven under duress product with a new page in the sales brochure and an increased price!

As shown by Bolton today and previous Israeli and US pressure not to deploy it, this is something that the MIC in Washington and especially manufacturers of US SAMs really did not want to happen. In the event that it works and a S-300 missile hits a high spec F-16 operated by probably the most highly trained AF in the World, it will be a sales disaster as well as a massive hit against the confidence of Western air forces. Confirming in the worst possible way the fears already expressed by USAF Generals. Its difficult to envisage any pilot volunteering to become the first to try to beat a S-300 missile!

Israel, quite understandably works to try to minimise the risk of losing an aircraft, this has now become more difficult as it is unlikely that the Syrians will worry about where within the range of their S-300 they hit any IAF plane that has attacked them with a standoff device. Now, as an added complexity, the IAF is likely to be under pressure from the US not to give the S-300 any chance to become proven in battle.

Some have accused Russia of being effectively a wimp not prepared to respond to events like this. But in this situation responding in kind by killing Israelis would be, for a multitude of reasons a totally stupid response. If I am correct, then this is very subtle revenge for Russia's 15 dead in the Il-20, targetted primarily at those in Israel who caused it and those in the US, like Bolton, who will understand the significance of what has just happened. Right up Putin's street I'd say.

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 24, 2018 2:33:52 PM | 68

Sad to say, those 15 Russian crewmen who were killed were pawns in the deadly Syrian game. That said, their sacrifice has provided the perfect justification for Russia to end rogue Israeli state air attacks against Syria by delivering potent S-300 systems and, I'm sure, blistering the hide off of the Israeli commanders who went to Moscow, along with their nutcase leader Netanyahu. The gloves are now off.

Posted by: Trisha Driscoll | Sep 24, 2018 2:35:51 PM | 69

thanks b...

@23 jr... ditto, lol..

@39 juliania.. good questions.. i am curious myself..

@54 mischi.. that's a good question and i am curious too..

@65 stonebird quote - "Once a liar, always a liar".. that is a good quote for this moment..

smoothies latest on this same topic..
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/09/well-duh.html

Posted by: james | Sep 24, 2018 2:40:33 PM | 70

@68 johninMK.. ditto your comment, last paragraph in particular.. thanks.

Posted by: james | Sep 24, 2018 2:42:05 PM | 71

KarlofI@67--
Thanks
Frances @64
I think the second of your two proposals is much the most likely. ("They were waiting/hoping Russia/Syria would strike the French ship in which case they and the UK planes would attack, justifying a NATO full assault from the NATO ships in the Med and probably WW3.")

The US had at least three Major destroyers, two nuclear subs and the "Truman" Aircraft carrier in the Med.The UK Tornados were airborne and so were (certainly) a bevy of US aircraft.
I suspect the "scenario" was to have a Syrian missile "threaten" (fired at....) the French Frigate Auvergne, which would have been the excuse for a massive US/NATO/UK/Israeli attack on the Syrians. (but NOT necessarily the Russians, as this would have led to WWIII*** or IV). The French were sending up missiles for just this purpose. The Syrians had to be "seen" firing first at a NATO ship. The Russian Il-20 had to be eliminated as well as it might have picked up compromising proof of the NATO "plan".

This is very close to the scenario several years ago, where the US force moved to the far end of the Med. and an Israeli plane fired two missile from behind them, towards Syria to provoke a Syrian response aimed at the US ships. The Russian Radars picked this up and loudly called the bluff. Israel then suddenly said that the missiles were "practice" and dropped them in the sea.

*** I reckon we are IN WWIII as sanctions and asymetric warfare are ....warfare. So next is WWIV

Posted by: stonebird | Sep 24, 2018 2:52:46 PM | 72

Federico Pieraccini provides an Autumnal Equinox update of the Big Picture situation, concluding:

"What fascinates many analysts is the stubbornness and stupidity of US policy-makers. The more they try to prolong the US unipolar moment, the more incentive they give to other countries to jump on the multipolar bandwagon.

"Even countries that probably have deep ties with the United States on an oligarchic level will have no alternative other than to modify and redesign their strategic alliances over the next 30 years. The United States continues along the path of diplomatic arrogance and strategic stupidity, mired in a civil war among its elites, with no end in sight."

It's UNGA time again, so we'll get to see the arrogance and stupidity play out in public.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 2:54:18 PM | 73

Shoigu: "We're convinced that the implementation of these measures will cool down the hotheads and will prevent rash actions that might threaten our servicemen. If not, we'll be forced to react based on the evolving situation."

And it's a good time to remember that Russia always leads with its best terms. If forced to continue negotiating, the terms get increasingly tough.

~~

I can't help thinking of that old US joke, only this time it's real:

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

;)

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 24, 2018 2:54:50 PM | 74

Here is Shoigu super powerful anti aircraft missiles that will cover the entire eastern Mediterranean.
ЕБАААААААААААААТЬ
https://youtu.be/V88sUJKgOsk

Posted by: ALAN | Sep 24, 2018 3:11:21 PM | 75

Posted by: @_vec | Sep 24, 2018 10:21:58 AM | 32

:-))

Israelis are in denial. Or about to start WWIII.


Tyler Rogoway @Aviation_Intel


IF Moscow actually follows through with providing S-300 batteries to Syria it’s not like it will stop the IAF. Standoff munitions for one. Second, IAF has trained against S-300s for years in Greece (& in the US). Finally, IAF has F-35 if needed. Those S-300s will be vaporized.


Posted by: somebody | Sep 24, 2018 10:37:26 AM | 35

Indeed, the rumor has it that when the local air-defence crews looked through their targeting screens there was complete silence then they were receiving this scary image:
Aurora
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ElmdU5BqggA

Plus your tweeter source sure looks like an A.I. bot, the likes that are operated by the thousands in h@sbara central ;)

Posted by: Greece | Sep 24, 2018 3:15:04 PM | 76

Again a commenter has messed up the margins. I'm coming to the conclusion that this is done intentionally by evil intent.
The disruption discourages bona fide readers and commenters from engaging each other. It happens to often to be
random. Someone or some organisation wants this blog to wither and disappear.

Posted by: Quentin | Sep 24, 2018 3:23:19 PM | 77

The Russians stated the S-300 will be delivered within 2 weeks. Why not just announce after delivery. I’d like to believe that Russia already delivered those systems and that her officials are setting the izsies up. It seems more likely that the Russians will negotiate for two weeks to get something they want after which the S-300 shall never be delivered.

Posted by: Alaric | Sep 24, 2018 3:37:48 PM | 78

@Anya... your text has messed the page format.. see @62 S for a remedy next time..

Posted by: james | Sep 24, 2018 3:42:05 PM | 79

>>>> Out of Istanbul | Sep 24, 2018 8:45:21 AM | 15

Creating a new A2/AD network in a hostile environment is far more complex than extending an existing A2/AD network - the existing A2/AD network in Latakia will no doubt be extended down towards Damascus as more kit arrives but much of the kit has probably already arrived in Syria. BTW, this deployment is experience for the Russian that the west will bitterly regret them having. Doing it against a shitty little country like Israel is good practice for when Russia does it against NATO.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Sep 24, 2018 3:42:40 PM | 80

Just found a Flightradar24 track that shows a transponder on Russian Air Force 223rd Flight Unit Ilyushin Il-76MD plane flying from Russian Air Force base in Mozdok Ossetia to Humaymim Russian AFB in Latakia Syria apart from through Turkish airspace with transponder off!

Very useful shortcut if there is a lot to be shipped quickly. Good for Turkey. It looks as if Russia is in a big hurry to get this stuff in. A possible reason is that the terrorists seem to have rejected the Idlib peace deal and are flying drones at their base again which the Russians hate. Expect the Russian attacks on Idlib to restart 15th October so a few extra S-300 systems could be very useful to deter threatened USFUK action.

There are rumours out there that six systems will be shipped. One suspects that the RuAF will try and operate them in 'training' mode to avoid giving all their secrets away. Now S-300 will be considered anti-Semitic, so will be banned soon by YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Google.

A quote I have found @ejmalrai: If #Syria shoot down one single #US jet and gets 300 US cruise missiles in response, the Middle East will speak about Syria downing a US jet for centuries.

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 24, 2018 3:50:30 PM | 81

james@70

A tentative answer to one of my questions (yes, speculative)would be there was something
occurring in the Idlib area that caused the Israelis to panic and want to get that
plane out of the air in spite of the repercussions. It had to be something big to be
worth using that whole scenario to distract or obfuscate what was going on. The
plane was operating over that area, and then it wasn't.

But I can't think of anything of such a magnitude that what they did made sense.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 24, 2018 4:01:48 PM | 82

77 Just use a different browser and you will be okay.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 24, 2018 4:10:06 PM | 83

Read PCR what Putin Is doing is extending war, third time took a break just before final victory in last three years, in 2016 thousands of ISIS fled to Turkey it was over, Putin signed ceasefire Turkey convalesced and reequipped thousands bought millions of dollars of stolen oil waiting to attack.

Hitler in 1943 asked Stalin for cease fire, Stalin refused as long as Hitler could resupply army, when he could not anymore in fall 1944 he stopped himself for three mounts, did Putin learn history?

Posted by: Kalen | Sep 24, 2018 4:30:31 PM | 84

juliania @39--

I suspect Zionist arrogance never allowed them to even consider consequences as they'd gotten away with similar attacks. IMO, the Zionist act differed little from their targeted killings of Palestinian protesters in Gaza. This cartoon I found on Twitter is close to being correct. I said it was Russia's USS Liberty moment, but Russia's reaction wasn't anything like the bent-over passivity displayed by LBJ. Bolton now says that the Outlaw US Empire will remain in Syria as long as Iranians are there. Well, numerous ethnic Iranians live within Syria. Given his attitude, you'd think he'd be clamoring for Iranians living within the Empire to be rounded up and sent to concentration camps. Bolton reminds me of McCarthy: Big mouth and booze-boosted courage 100% devoid of a morality or ethical principals.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 4:36:52 PM | 85

KarlofI@67--
Thanks
Frances @64
I think the second of your two proposals is much the most likely. ("They were waiting/hoping Russia/Syria would strike the French ship in which case they and the UK planes would attack, justifying a NATO full assault from the NATO ships in the Med and probably WW3.")

The US had at least three Major destroyers, two nuclear subs and the "Truman" Aircraft carrier in the Med.The UK Tornados were airborne and so were (certainly) a bevy of US aircraft.
I suspect the "scenario" was to have a Syrian missile "threaten" (fired at....) the French Frigate Auvergne, which would have been the excuse for a massive US/NATO/UK/Israeli attack on the Syrians. (but NOT necessarily the Russians, as this would have led to WWIII*** or IV). The French were sending up missiles for just this purpose. The Syrians had to be "seen" firing first at a NATO ship. The Russian Il-20 had to be eliminated as well as it might have picked up compromising proof of the NATO "plan".

This is very close to the scenario several years ago, where the US force moved to the far end of the Med. and an Israeli plane fired two missile from behind them, towards Syria to provoke a Syrian response aimed at the US ships. The Russian Radars picked this up and loudly called the bluff. Israel then suddenly said that the missiles were "practice" and dropped them in the sea.

*** I reckon we are IN WWIII as sanctions and asymetric warfare are ....warfare. So next is WWIV

Posted by: stonebird | Sep 24, 2018 2:52:46 PM | 72

Excellent find!
It was I believe of the assumption (early analyses of the event) scenario:actually a cruise missile being fired froma a sub, unidentified sub. and was reported from a Cypriot source If i do remember right (that all were the initial hours of the event) that later (after days) morphed in to air to ground being fired from Israel jets? ( I believe it was close to Christmass)

Also as a answer to what you mentioned above I also quote this post from another poster:

Russian MoD explicitly denies claims made earlier by Israeli MoD

"At 22:03 a Syrian anti-aircraft missile engaged a larger and closer target – Il-20 airplane. The commander reported on the fire on board and emergency descent. At 22:07 the Russian Il-20 survey airplane went off the radars. Meanwhile, the Israeli jets did not leave for their air space but stayed in the region and continued patrolling in the air till 22:40."

and

"I would like to stress that during negotiations via the deconfliction channel, the representative of the Israeli Air Force Headquarters reported on the targets assigned to the Israeli aircraft in north Syria. The dialogue was held in Russian. The Russian Defence Ministry has a record of the talk.

.....

As you can see on the map, the Israeli jets delivered strikes not in the north of the Syrian Arab Republic but in Latakia region which is the western province of the country. Besides, the city of Latakia is located on the western coast."

So, basically Russian MoD claims that Israel AirForce DID NOT alerted Russia about their operation, that culminated in the misfortunate downing of Il-20.

Some other operation was announced, indeed. But not this one.

Now, that is quite a claim.

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 24, 2018 9:13:41 AM | 18

Ok, so now we have a clearer picture.
According to Russian MoD the IL20 since the first 7 or 10 minutes the Israeli group was "in the picture" it was already going down in flames hit by the S-200 at 22:07, which had already tracked the targets and fired upon at 22:03. Though the Israel group stayed "in the picture" at least until 22:40 , this time performing a second mission, of CAP, first one was probably a Strike mission to Syrian coasts. So this leads me to assume there were 4 MISSIONS in operation for the Israeli Air force or allies happening to be in the region. 1 Strike, 1 CAP, 1 a third party trying to remove evidence from the floating debri of the IL-20 (data modules/equipment etc) 4 another delivery mission to insert a sleeper package, right beneath Syrian defence noses and what would be (in a few minutes) the Russian SAR area in trying to acquire the parts of the downed plane.
The "sleeper" can always be something that can be activated at later dates. (IDF used to send artificial rocks that were hiding opto/aqustic equipment during Russian ships supply runs, during time Russians were trying to establish base at Latakia and israelis were trying to spy on the ships unloading stuff)

So in all I believe this was a calculated mission from Israel, not only to kill the IL20 but to establish other advantages during time of chos etc.
This is about the Israelis, do not trust them, even if they say the sun is shining outside you should go an check it out yourself.

Answering to another poster about the flightradar apps. I wouldn't trust what CIA or DoD could/would and should have been using for propaganda purposes to mess, with evidence or to try to build false leads in trying to promote their narratives. Western sources are in question, as of course Eastern too. For instance Iran banned the Telegram app. according to them there was a version that was been used as a spy tool disguised as civilian application software.

Posted by: Greece | Sep 24, 2018 4:37:38 PM | 86

Israel made Russia the fool, cost them heaps & quality air defence, lost them qualified airmen because VVP didn’t have their back because Israel(remember Bibi at Victory Day). So mission accomplished for Israel & the West.
Believe Israel is the loser when Russia & Syria shoot down Israeli aircraft (& the Western coalition), take back all of Syria, including the Golan & the north, until then and once again poor little Israel? Tell us another one.

Posted by: Sadness | Sep 24, 2018 4:49:16 PM | 87

Russia declared NO FLY ZONE over LATAKIA !
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-russia-establishes-no-fly-zone-over-latakia-province-diplomat/
Russia are slow to react , but they run Fast :)!

Posted by: kemi | Sep 24, 2018 4:51:31 PM | 88

@ Anya #51

Thank you for posting Rurik’s comment from the Unz Review, and there were a lot of interesting comments on that thread


It reminded me of the following clip from Bella Tarr’s film, The Turin Horse.

The bald-headed man delivering the monologue could be Rurik, warning us about “the Fiend”


Turin Horse Monologue


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu_pqP7_IUE

Posted by: Paolo Ucello | Sep 24, 2018 5:48:32 PM | 89

Turkey’s alternative is to try to mend fences with the Assad regime to extricate itself from the Syrian quagmire. This would mean leaving the Turkish-backed Syrian rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) factions to their fate and ignoring the human suffering in Idlib likely to follow a full-scale invasion. Also, it would not solve the refugee crisis, but Turkey could insist that in return for its withdrawal Russia and Iran pledge that displaced persons will be sheltered in “safe areas” close to Turkish borders but not allowed to enter Turkey.

Such a move could salvage Turkey’s relationship with Russia, which the standoff over Idlib threatens to unravel. In return, Russia and Iran could guarantee that they will not allow the Syrian Kurdish militia the People’s Protection Units (YPG) to expand the Kurdish enclave in Syria. In fact, such a deal may entail the YPG surrendering some of the territory it controls on the Turkish border to Assad’s military. The reduction of YPG-controlled territory and curbs on Kurdish ambitions will also serve Tehran’s interests as it is plagued by its own Kurdish conflict , which seems to be becoming more acute.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/turkey-must-choose-tough-option-and-leave-syria-31907

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 24, 2018 6:22:36 PM | 90

One question I have regarding the s-300 delivery:

What has been the most effective anti-Russian false flag of the last few years? IMHO the Malaysian Boeing over Donetsk. Despite the obvious holes in the narrative and logic, that one worked like a charm on 99% of people in the west. If I were to put myself in a war planning Zionist's shoes, I would gravitate to that "option."

So the question is: How is Moscow going to pre-empt or deflect the inevitable false flag downing of some civilian liner (not an El Al plane for sure, they'd use one with more goyim aboard)? I don't think having Russians controlling the systems would work, as then the chorus would be "We can't trust the Russians with these, let alone the Syrians."

Undoubtedly the Kremlin is cognizant of this threat, but I will pose the question of what can be done against it to the more knowledgeable on this blog.

Posted by: Don Wiscacho | Sep 24, 2018 6:23:33 PM | 91

@80 juliania... you might be right and there was some direct connection to idlib, or the peace agreement turkey and russia reached just prior to this event.. i mostly think of it as a series of events where israel didn't foresee the end result... the term 'hothead' that i believe shoigu used in the past 24 hours as reason for deploying the s-300s, applies directly to israel as i see it..

meanwhile boltons comments.. "Russian plans to supply Syria with a S-300 missile system would be a “significant escalation” by Moscow, US National Security Advisor John Bolton said on Monday." https://www.rt.com/newsline/439235-us-bolton-russia-syria/

funny how bolton never mentioned anything about israels responsibility for making war on syria...bombing buildings and accidentally or otherwise being directly responsible for the downing of IL-20 where 15 russians died seems not to even cross his mind...that is a vacuous mind indeed.. the hypocrisy is regularly on display from the usa.. if it isn't bolton, it is haley, or some other doofus, talking head from the usa..

an alternative speculation on this is the IL-20 had a lot of valuable intel data with it that was removed from the theatre.. that would suggest the act here on israels part was intentional.. i suspect it was an unintended accident, but one that has big ramifications for israel... i continue to believe we are ramping up to a major war and moving more and more in this direction.. this is another step in the same direction.. i also believe that russia sees it coming and is doing what it feels is the best they can do in this environment..

@90 usa=isis..here is another article from smoothie today that you might want to read and consider..i have noticed all of your posts at moa to date involves the issue of the jews.. it gets tiring and you come across as a one trick pony..

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/09/fast-thoughts-on-issue-of-projection.html

Posted by: james | Sep 24, 2018 6:24:20 PM | 92

Semi OT--Now that UK's "resettling" White Helmet Terrorists within its borders, I wonder if they'll become the next victims of MI6 attempts to frame Russia for its assassinations using poison gas? What do UK-located MoA barflies think of May bringing her terrorists "home"? Plus, I thought there was a housing crisis of sorts within UK, and such scarce housing's to be allocated to terrorists?! What sort of light opera would Gilbert & Sullivan compose as a ripost? Unfortunately, it appears Corbyn's remained quiet on this issue, although there's plenty of other items of importance to UK citizens for him to use as issues to defeat Tories.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 6:35:12 PM | 93

james @93--

That troll specializes in spreading FUD, which is classic troll excrement--Fear, Uncertainty, Distortion--that's been used since the advent of bulletin board sites like MoA. Long ago, I found unmasking trolls good sport; but after slaying many dozens, decided ignoring was best since many get paid based on how much they post and how many posts are directed at them--thus the term: Don't feed the trolls. It does its act over at SyrPers, too, but fools nobody.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 6:48:25 PM | 94

The political regimes in this world of ours that present the greatest danger to the survival of the human species all have one thing in common, which is that they operate on the false premise that god is on their side.

Posted by: GM | Sep 24, 2018 6:49:56 PM | 95

With one dopey, hubris driven blunder the israeli and yankee governments have lost the lot. Russia has grasped air dominance as a shield for Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, as well as Syria. The Russians have cemented the security of allies in the region. (Not that Turkey could see or appreciate that)

Now Iran has an advance proxy defence at the entire Syrian western border. Lebanon is no longer a permanent cringing victim and will find expansion and other changes in its public and political mind. Syria and Lebanon are no longer the captive of israeli predation as their airspace and seaspace are more secure.

The israelis and yankees will not stand for this as it has totally transformed the military theatre to their exclusion. Now Russia has visited on them the same medicine as they dish out on Russia's western border region. Watch for madness and histrionics and more blundering, stupidity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 24, 2018 7:08:59 PM | 96

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 24, 2018 6:48:25 PM | 96
Yup Usually it isn't cos most readers see the dross for what it is, but if it ever does become necessary to mention something one of these scumsucking reject jism posts, then only engage obliquely, I reckon. Never mention em by name or respond directly. That way if they are paid there is no 'bonus' and if they aren't and in fact are just one of the multitude of personality disordered types that are a result of the f**ked up reality we share, they generally lose it completely spin out, then p1ss off. We have seen a couple of instances of that recently.
I used to worry about hurting some socially rejected human, but since it is the ones who casually pronounce some outlandish notion which would utterly destroy some other bunch of people's existences that cause the most 'indigestion' for most of us, rationalising that into a much needed life lesson for a human who lacks empathy, isn't that difficult.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 24, 2018 7:15:39 PM | 97

Mischi | Sep 24, 2018 11:46:59 AM | 54

Yes there is a permanent US military base in Israel and this Russian response will impact on it.

You should also be certain that the USA is a permanent military base of israel.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 24, 2018 7:18:14 PM | 98

Big Problem. A God is on everyone's side. A God always determines that the opponent is "lesser than" or "sub-human" - an animal - a low species of animal - lower than other species - worthy of murder, rape, torture. A God dehumanizes the opponent. Man determines who becomes the opponent, but God helps man to dehumanize that opponent so that he can be raped, tortured and murdered.

USA is number one and ordained by God.

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 24, 2018 7:18:30 PM | 99

Debsisdead | Sep 24, 2018 7:15:39 PM | 100

Fabulous Debsisdead, agree entirely. I have taken up scrolling upward or in reverse so it is easier to skip over the dogsh!t on the path.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 24, 2018 7:22:01 PM | 100

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