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September 12, 2018

Open Thread 2018-46

News & views ...

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Posted by: vk | Sep 13, 2018 8:02:49 PM | 97

Sounds to me that what they are doing is not culturally accepted in Russia.

But it is not illegal and it is not mafia.

Spot the difference
Men's health Russia
Men's Health Britain

And there is stuff like this in Switzerland

Posted by: somebody | Sep 14 2018 4:04 utc | 101

So I will post as 101, at least until the queue lets in the "lost posts".

Grieved, I welcome your measured words. Yes I agree we do not live in the information-starved 1950s, nor even in the dawning (for me) days of computer-available information of the late 1990s.

The bombshell of Josh Marshall's outing of PNAC was an eye-opener back in the early 2000s, and although he seems to be pursuing a Democratic Party agenda since then, the sluices were opened.

My favorite thing about the Internet is that, for a single example, anyone with some time, bandwidth and a computer or smartphone (not everyone on the planet, but pretty close I think) can download and study the courses in computer science at Stanford University (home of Apple and other tech leaders) and become experts, in fact graduate-level experts in the current technology.

And then those people can program their computers and smartphones to be what they wish: connected, secure, private, free ... the sky is the limit when this technology is freely available.

Like the samizdat of the late USSR, or fax machines, or pamfleteers of the past centuries, Internet does and will allow us to communicate and disseminate ideas, facts, copies of memos and rulings and decisions.

It is curious that many if not most of us here on the Moon are in our 50s, 60s and 70s. Yet we are the seniors of the current time and our wisdom, such as it is, has resonance and one hopes a life beyond our brief postings.

Just a quick positive response to you and our many friends here.

Posted by: jonku | Sep 14 2018 4:57 utc | 102

More good news!

I’m late to this one, but one of my colleagues just informed me that in Britain the ex-soldier Jeremy Bedford-Turner has been sentenced to 12 months in prison after being convicted by a jury of incitement to racial hatred over an antisemitic speech in gave in 2015

And that's not all.... The anti-semitic French author Hervé Ryssen has been sentenced to AT LEAST 40 months of prison time for one of his books, without counting the three other cases that are underway against him

So he’ll be dragged out of his cell to appear in front of judges, over and over again, probably for the rest of his life.


And one more!...good news comes in three!

It seems very likely that the British song-writer Alison Chabloz will also be serving hard prison time for a song she wrote called “Survivor” which makes fun of the poor Holocaust survivor named Irene Zisblatt .

At first Chabloz got off way too easy, and for uploading her song to the Internet, she was only given a 20-week prison sentence, suspended for two years, 180 hours of unpaid work, 20 days of rehabilitation, and a year-long ban from social media plus a £715 fine

But through the ADL/SPLC grapevine, I’ve heard that it’s very likely Chabloz be serving hard prison time in the near future

To celebrate all these nazis going to prison, now I have to decide which bottle of champagne I should open?

I was thinking Juglar Cuvee, 1820 ($43,500)

from the collection of 168 bottles that Swedish divers found in a shipwreck in the Baltic Sea.

Dark and cold conditions have preserved the bottles for a century and a half and so the champagne has maintained its flavor

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 14 2018 6:10 utc | 103

It is now evident that the Turkish hostility the last 6 months before the Turkish elections against Greece were a calculated operation that was orchestrated betwen Donald Trump and Dayip Erdogan.

Th result of this pressure was :

US asked (pretty much demanded) to stage F-35, F-16, F-22 and Predator drone RQ-9 squadrons all over Greece, enlargment of their submarine base that officialy does not exist, yet it is officialy on the table (probably in order this presence to be legitimized since up until now they pretend it is just another Greek joint navy/airbase). It is also revealed in the article above a US stealth F-22 base in Karpathos island. The whole situation is troublesome since all these units won't be operating against Turkey/Israel but against anyone else that means Russia meanwhile Turkey and in a more covert ay Israel are eyeing parts of sovereign Greek territory for themselves. Turkey in eastern Aegean and Western thrace and israel in the island of Crete and island of Rhodes, meanwhile they were already "scanning" Kastelorizo island through supposed underwater archaelology from the Turkish side of the EEZ pposite Kastelorizo island..

More on the fire thatt left 100 dead in the outskirts of Athens, near Penteli Mount (ancient name was Vrillisia Mount, yes, probably the only place on the planet it's ancint name is named after the Vrill, whatever that was)
A "whitewashed piece of news about Hellenic Army aerial recon drones being shot down or sabotaged during reconaisance missions aiding fire department and air force in trying to contain the strange fires near Athens, where the word on the street is US Navy wants to re establish their old "abandoned' bases in the area, at Penteli (Vrill) Mountain and valey of Marathon.

For anyone that is monitoring the weird stuff around Balkans and east Med. it seems Turkey is abuzz with weird weather, sights and sounds this whole last year. So whatever Turkey is doing or is experiencing must not be something that US is not aware or even not taking a part in and having a role to play.I believe Turkey and Us are not only secretly cooperating but started to function at much deeper and sensitive level together, while they sell their BS of an alleged problematic relationship to everyone else.

The weird stuff started happening after US elections, and Trump started "advertising" his deep connections with the US Department of Energy. US Department of energy is responsible for the states nuclear infrastructure and everything else that the State can exploit for defence regarding oversight of various branches of the Military. For instance if you have a secret space programe, dispersed between various branches of the Military, the DoE would be the one that has the full picture and the oversight. These are the Above top Secret guys in the US.

Posted by: Greece | Sep 14 2018 8:54 utc | 104

Avner Cohen says:

My whole tribe is winning, with no signs of of ever quitting

well, your tribe is preordained to keep its identity ethnically cleansed, afterall. but while shit stains like you are no doubt content to live their lives in exile, your more courageous brethren in israel are actually struggling to maintain the jewish state for jews only, which, of course, is the only way it could ever survive. but with the hooligan kingdom encroaching, shooting them in the head when they get too close to the border just ain't gonna do the job, is it? which means you're just gonna have to apply your own version of a final solution one of these days.


well, place your bets, dude, and stop wasting your money on wine with bubbles in it.

Posted by: john | Sep 14 2018 11:25 utc | 105

Avner Cohen @103

You appear to be masquerading as a Jew, who glorifies Jewish domination/triumphs and who can only see the world through that prism. You really are nothing more than a ridiculous caricature.

It seems to be that you are really anti-semitic and just hoping to provoke hatred against Jews for some bizarre reason.

Why do you use the name of 'Avner Cohen'; he seems to stand for the reverse of everything you espouse?

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 14 2018 11:54 utc | 106

@ ADKC | 106

Jeremy Bedford-Turner, Hervé Ryssen, Alison Chabloz, Ursula Haverbeck, the Schaefer siblings imprisoned in Germany...etc...

I could go on with long list of names you people never even heard of who are currently imprisoned in Europe for hate speech

And all these names listed above are either anti-semitic or openly neo-nazi, and so, as a second-generation Holocaust survivor, why shouldn’t I celebrate their imprisonment?

What’s wrong with that? Don’t you celebrate when your enemies are destroyed?

And I don’t need to prove anything to you, but the proof that I’m Jewish is that I’ve actually HEARD of their names and followed their cases

B’Sheva, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, Maariv, Makor, RishonMakor, all these Israeli papers actually covered the arrest, trials and imprisonment of the names I listed above...

unlike your Western media, including your so-called “alternative” media, which imagines itself to be “oh so subversive”, but I don’t see any of you keyboard warriors risking prison or risking anything at all

You seem to think the truth is some kind of game

Not ONE gentile in ten million has even heard of the names I listed, and you have no idea who they are, what they’ve done, or that they’ve EVEN serving time in prison

So even if it's only to hate them, at least we Israelis and dual citizens are not completely forgetting about these people, unlike you


So look up each of the names I listed above and then tell me:

where’s the lie?

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 14 2018 14:32 utc | 107

(not the real) Avner Cohen @106

No I don't celebrate when enemies are destroyed. I don't want anyone destroyed, any Russian, any American, any westerner, any Israeli or any Palestinian, any jew, any christian, any muslim, etc.

But you are not really addressing my post, merely proving it.

You are just trying to provoke an anti-semitic backlash and are merely a troll who hides behind the name of a great man. So build yourself up with your imaginary champagne, you do not represent jewish people, you merely seek to engender hostility towards jewish people. You may well need to see a psychiatrist.

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 14 2018 15:33 utc | 108

Avner Cohen is a pathetic troll like the Golem, consumed by his Preciousness.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2018 15:45 utc | 109

Very clever move on the Russian's part....turning the Salisbury incident into a gender issue. It will keep the BBC busy for months.

Posted by: dh | Sep 14, 2018 11:51:57 AM | 88 in another thread

This is my take as well.

I am one of those who thinks of Putin as a magician.

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 14 2018 16:02 utc | 110

Avner Cohen is a pathetic troll like the Golem, consumed by his Preciousness.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14, 2018 11:45:29 AM | 108

Wait a minute. I thought Avner was spoofing. No?

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 14 2018 16:04 utc | 111

Guerrero @110

A crazy as it seems "(not the real) Avner Cohen" is (ridiculously) serious.

A did a reply to his post @106 but it never appeared. I can't be bothered to redo it but I ended by suggesting he needed to see a psychiatrist. He's just trying to provoke anti-semitism (but his posts are verging on parody); I think he's best ignored.

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 14 2018 16:11 utc | 112


Well said Grieved, well said...

I look forward to meeting on the next hill... in the mean-time, like Syrian? Girl I am amassing my own digital Library of Alexandria, with terabytes of PDFs and VIDs, some of which are no longer available on YT & other sources

Posted by: xLemming | Sep 14 2018 16:15 utc | 113

S @71

Would Skripal have them come to his home?

Wouldn't the Cathedral make for a good place to meet?

Maybe Skripals were on the way there when they got "poisoned" (by MI6)?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 13, 2018 7:59:00 PM | 96

Were the pair British intelligence resources? This would explain their fear and nervousness.

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 14 2018 16:16 utc | 114

Meet me not at the barricades - for that time has not come yet, and will show itself clearly, if it ever does come in our lives - but in the hills ;)

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 13, 2018 11:09:34 PM | 100

In the hills we can pore over these documents, and make sublime plans for a renewed republic.

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 14 2018 16:20 utc | 115

@111 guerrero.. i think the verdict is still out on that question!

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2018 17:31 utc | 116

Ah, Avner is not a troll and it would be wrong to censor his posts in this open thread. He's just so far underground that he's a one man scene.

I doubt his jewish heritage also. Why bring attention to European hate speech laws that are being manipulated by the chosen ones...? At this point I have to admit the US is still freer than the rest of the world in this respect - free speech. Hate speech...? More like 'wrong opinion'.

So I raise my bottle... but which one....? This fine brew, an imported Coopers Pale Ale, a pricey €5.50 at the bar...? Celtic Tiger prices I might add. Or this 500ml can of warm Tyskie in my backpack retailing at at about €0.45 per unit when bought as a pack of six.

Ahh...Choices, choices, choices. Something the Greek and Italian electorates now understand dont really exist.

A toast.

To Avnar and our unelected European overlords.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Sep 14 2018 18:08 utc | 117

How many readers remember Yale Law School professor Amy Chua’s 2003 book World on Fire?

There she wrote about the attempt to implement free markets in Russia: “Instead of dispersing ownership and creating functioning markets, these reforms had allowed a small group of greedy industrialists and bankers to plunder Russia, turning themselves almost overnight into the billionaire-owners of Russia’s crown jewels while the country spiraled into chaos and lawlessness.”

Here’s where the “virtually all” comes in: Chua correctly noted that “six out of the seven of Russia’s wealthiest” oligarchs were Jewish.

When her Jewish husband heard about this, naturally he had to ask, “Just six? So who’s the seventh guy?”

Posted by: anon | Sep 14 2018 20:23 utc | 118

And who can forget former Rolling Stone journalist Matt Taibbi’s brilliant quote about Goldman Sachs following the 2008 sub-prime meltdown:

“The world’s most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”

Posted by: anon | Sep 14 2018 20:38 utc | 119

@117 anon.. i have never read any of her books, but her latest one - political tribes - looks readable.. good one on the comments of her and husband..

a friend sent me this - LEAKED VIDEO: Google Leadership’s Dismayed Reaction to Trump Election for anyone interested..

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2018 20:44 utc | 120

“Human rights, dissidence, antiracism, SOS-this, SOS-that: these are soft, easy, post coitum historicum ideologies, 'after-the-orgy' ideologies for an easy-going generation which has known neither hard ideologies nor radical philosophies.

The ideology of a generation which is neo-sentimental in its politics too, which has rediscovered altruism, conviviality, international charity and the individual bleeding heart.

Emotional outpourings, solidarity, cosmopolitan emotiveness, multi-media pathos: all soft values harshly condemned by the Nietzschean, Marxo-Freudian age...

A new generation, that of the spoilt children of the crisis, whereas the preceding one was that of the accursed children of history.”

― Jean Baudrillard, Cool Memories

Posted by: László | Sep 14 2018 21:52 utc | 121

The philosophy world has been abuzz with talks of Martin Heidegger’s “Black Notebooks,” a collection of Heidegger’s personal writing that remained sealed until their publication in Germany in 2014.

Since their release in German, the Notebooks have fueled heated debates about Heidegger’s ties to the Nazi Party, and even led the chairman of the Martin Heidegger Society to relinquish his position.

In question are passages that reek of Nazi-era anti-Semitism that arguably inform the philosopher’s entire intellectual project.

The Considerations (Überlegungen), also known collectively as the “Black Notebooks,” have philosophers pondering if one’s work can truly be separated from its creator.

Some say Heidegger’s philosophical pursuits are directly linked with his anti-Semitism while others argue that there is nothing directly correlating his immense contribution to modern thought with his political ties to the National Socialist Party.

Baudrillard foresaw this kind of portrayal in his “Necrospective around Martin Heidegger,” where he said:

“All this is a desperate emotional response to the realization that the events in question are currently eluding us at the level of reality. The Heidegger affair, the Barbie trial etc... are the pathetic little convulsions produced by the loss of reality that afflicts us today.”


Posted by: László | Sep 14 2018 22:16 utc | 122

Heh I cannot help but wonder what nefarious & deadly elite conspiracy a mob of innocent New Mexico astronomy nerds accidentally stumbled across on Friday.

According to the Indy article I stumbled across myself a mob of them were innocently nerding away at the Sunspot Solar Observatory in Sunspot, New Mexico when a squadron of blackhawk helicopters loaded to the gunnels with fbi agents swooped in, pushed the nerds out, slammed then locked the doors behind the nerds, muttering 'security breach' prior to turning the joint over.

The sticky-beaks and sheet-sniffers are still there altho natch, they aren't saying what it is the star-heads were doing that was so evil with their nerding. I'm betting that the feds are victimizing 'em cos they detected a surfeit of Birkenstocks - a higher concentration of suspect footwear than is permissible in the agent orange state.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 15 2018 4:33 utc | 123

Sounds like the EU /global elite just killed the internet. Enjoy the time thats left

Posted by: Pft | Sep 15 2018 4:51 utc | 124

Heh I cannot help but wonder what nefarious & deadly elite conspiracy a mob of innocent New Mexico astronomy nerds accidentally stumbled across on Friday.

According to the Indy article I stumbled across myself a mob of them were innocently nerding away at the Sunspot Solar Observatory in Sunspot, New Mexico when a squadron of blackhawk helicopters loaded to the gunnels with fbi agents swooped in, pushed the nerds out, slammed then locked the doors behind the nerds, muttering 'security breach' prior to turning the joint over.

The stickybeaks and sheetsniffers are still there and they aren't saying what it is the star-heads were doing that was so evil with the nerding. I'm betting that the feds are victimizing 'em cos they detected a surfeit of Birkenstocks - a higher concentration of suspect footwear than is permissible in the agent orange state.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 15 2018 5:23 utc | 125

“Silence is banished from our screens; it has no place in communication.

Media images (and media texts resemble media images in every way) never fall silent: images and messages must follow one upon the other without interruption.

But silence is exactly that - a blip in the circuitry, that minor catastrophe, that slip which, on television for instance, becomes
highly meaningful -

a break laden now with anxiety, now with jubilation, which confirms the fact that all this communication is basically nothing but a rigid script,

an uninterrupted fiction designed to free us not only from the void of the television screen but equally from the void of our own mental screen, whose images we wait on with the same fascination.”

― Jean Baudrillard

Posted by: László | Sep 15 2018 6:57 utc | 126

“The futility of everything that comes to us from the media is the inescapable consequence of the absolute inability of that particular stage to remain SILENT

Music, commercial breaks, news flashes, adverts, news broadcasts, movies, presenters—

there is NO ALTERNATIVE but to fill the screen;

otherwise there would be an irremediable void....

That’s why the slightest technical hitch

the slightest slip on the part of the presenter becomes so exciting

for it reveals the depth of the emptiness squinting out at us through this little window.”

― Jean Baudrillard

Posted by: László | Sep 15 2018 7:24 utc | 127

Posted by Debsisdead

"According to the Indy article I stumbled across myself a mob of them were innocently nerding away at the Sunspot Solar Observatory in Sunspot, New Mexico when a squadron of blackhawk helicopters loaded to the gunnels with fbi agents swooped in, pushed the nerds out, slammed then locked the doors behind the nerds, muttering 'security breach' prior to turning the joint over.

The stickybeaks and sheetsniffers are still there and they aren't saying what it is the star-heads were doing that was so evil with the nerding."


Posted by Greece, post 92.

The word on the street is that they (the Americans, not the aliens) are also responsible for the latest fire that left 100 people dead near Athens city, Mati at Vrillisia prefecture near Mount Penteli. ("Mati" in Greek means the "Eye" in English. Geologists and and seismologists have been suggesting that there lays the opening of a magnetic type of tunnel. Well, the CIA by all possibilities has identified the other magnetic exit of that feature. It is located near some hills at Langley, that is langley Virginia, in the US. Practically the other side of the planet.
Now the people are forced to abandon their homes and are selling them at dirt cheap prices.

Maybe the Muricans have some new plans about the place? They used to occupy 3 bases around that area and on top of the mountain doing strange things.

US Military want to build lots n lotsa new "Observatories" in general area of zi Balkans and Turkey. Of course the war in Syria is probably also about that.
What the FBI and the special forces in New Mexico were probably doing as probably they thought the visiting nerds had antena sniffers eavesdropping on the "network" the possible "Observatory" was also monitoring (eavesdropping). You see... zi American military after WWII ended discovered through the Nazi research that zear iz a huge magnetic corridor in zi earth you can use to aid you in spying and moving stuf around undetected from zi enemy... So in order for zi Germans to let release them all their secrets Americans promised to just do a show fr the world, and only cinematically bomb Dresden and a few more places, in WWII, then advised Germans to lay low for a while, then after 1955 they would make them again a superpower like before zi reich had fallen. Which they did! Germans asked for lots of gastarbaiters from Greece to extract revenge on them for their insurgency during the Nazi invasions, to keep them working for low wages and then experiment on their newborns mainly in Dusseldorf area.

End of story.

Posted by: Greece | Sep 15 2018 12:20 utc | 128

Screened Out (1:57)

Posted by: anon107 | Sep 15 2018 21:45 utc | 129

So Corbyn and the British Labour Party’s decision to adopt the IHRA’s anti-Semitism definition is a victory for the Israel lobby. Similar legislation in works in US. Criticism of Israel, weak as it is, will be stamped out.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 16 2018 2:10 utc | 130

@ 122

As the first commenter (in response to the article on Heidegger) points out: there are A LOT of factual errors in this brief article

So this is very bad scholarship and there’s no reason to trust the author

Another commenter points out, this article should be read ONLY for Heidegger’s quotes, while ignoring the writer’s worthless commentary

So here we have some third rate hack, who can’t even write a short article without dozens of factual errors, yet he’s attacking Heidegger, one of the greatest philosophers of all time

I suspect you already know this, however, as the article almost perfectly illustrates Baudrillard’s comments concerning the uselessness of the media

Posted by: anon107 | Sep 16 2018 7:46 utc | 131

“In Turin on 3rd January, 1889, Friedrich Nietzsche steps out of the doorway of number six, Via Carlo Alberto. Not far from him, the driver of a hansom cab is having trouble with a stubborn horse.

Despite all his urging, the horse refuses to move, whereupon the driver loses his patience and takes his whip to it. Nietzsche comes up to the throng and puts an end to the brutal scene, throwing his arms around the horse’s neck, sobbing.

His landlord takes him home, he lies motionless and silent for two days on a divan until he mutters the obligatory last words, and lives for another ten years, silent and demented, cared for by his mother and sisters. We do not know what happened to the horse.”

- (from the opening of Béla Tarr’s masterpiece, The Turin Horse (2011), a Nietzschean (anti-)thriller about the end of the world)

And here’s the Monologue scene, which could be seen as a demonstration (and rebuttal) of Nietzsche’s ideas:

The Turin Horse - Monologue

Posted by: anon107 | Sep 16 2018 10:18 utc | 132

The futile quarrel over Heidegger has no specific meaning within philosophy. It is merely symptomatic of a weakness in current thinking. Unable to find any new energy, philosophical thought keeps going back obsessively over its origins, over the purity of its references

Our present imagination must be weak indeed and our indifference to our own situation and our own philosophizing very great for us to need such regressive magic. In the case of Heidegger we are suddenly discovering his act of intellectual treachery (if such it was) today, even though we have lived quite happily with it for forty years.

Now we have Heidegger accused of being a Nazi. The fact that he has been so accused and that efforts are being made to prove his innocence is really of no consequence: both parties to the quarrel have fallen into the same petty-minded intellectual trap, the trap of an enervated form of thinking which no longer even takes pride in its own basic tenets, nor has the energy to go beyond them, and which is squandering what energy it still possesses in historical trials, accusations, justifica-tions and verifications.

This is the self-defence of the philosophical world casting a suspicious eye on the dubious morals of its masters (if not, indeed, trampling them down as ‘master-thinkers’).

It is the self-defence of an entire society which is unable to generate a new history and is hence con-demned to keep on re-hashing past history to prove its own existence, or even to prove its own crimes.

But what are we trying to prove? It is because we have disappeared today, politically and historically (this is our real problem), that we want to prove we actually died between 1940 and 1945 at Auschwitz or Hiroshima – that at least is a kind of history that really has some weight to it.

In this we are behaving just like the Armenians who never stop trying to prove they were massacred in 1917; an inaccessible, useless proof, but one which is vital to them in a way. It is because philosophy today has disappeared (that is its problem: how can it live on in a state of disappearance?)

do we really have to spend another ten boring years on this same old treadmill?

(excerpt from Jean Baudrillard's “Necrospective around Martin Heidegger”)

Posted by: László | Sep 17 2018 20:33 utc | 133

“..the whole of our reality is filtered through the media, including tragic events of the past. This means that it is too late to verify and understand those events historically... the tools required for such intelligibility have been lost. …

What is actually occurring – collectively, confusedly, via all the trials and debates – is a transition from the historical stage to a mythical stage: the mythic – and media led – reconstruction of all these events…

The Heidegger affair, the Klaus Barbie trial, and so on, are just so many feeble convulsive reactions to this loss of reality – which is now our reality. Faurisson’s claims are a cynical transposition of this loss of reality into the past.

The statement ‘It never existed’ means simply that we ourselves no longer exist sufficiently even to sustain a memory, and that hallucinations are the only way we have left to feel alive ...”

-excerpt from Jean Baudrillard’s “Necrospective around Martin Heidegger”

Posted by: Sri Sri Ramthakur | Sep 18 2018 19:30 utc | 134

“It is precisely when it appears most truthful, most faithful and most in conformity to reality that the image is most diabolic – and our technical images, whether they be from photography, cinema or television, are in the overwhelming majority much more figurative, realist, than all the images from past cultures...

the immense majority of present day photographic, cinematic and television images are thought to bear witness to the world with a fine resemblance and a touching fidelity. We have spontaneous confidence in their realism. We are wrong. They only seem to resemble things, to resemble reality, events, faces..”

we are now in real time, and in real time there is no longer any evidence of anything ... a dimension in which, paradoxically, objective reality disappears. …

and this is indeed the undoing or defeat of thought and critical thought –

but in fact it is not its defeat: it is the victory of real time over the present, over the past, over any form of logical articulation of reality whatsoever”

- Jean Baudrillard

Posted by: Sri Sri Ayurveda | Sep 20 2018 14:25 utc | 135

Where is Athens now? Oh, grieving god, has your city,

The one you loved best, that reached from your sacred shores,

Collapsed under ash entirely and buried even under
her graves?

Or are there remains, might a sailor,

Passing, remember her name and call her to mind?

Were there not columns once, risen up, and did not
The figured gods shine down from the citadel roof?

And the turbulent voice of the people murmured
Louder out of the Agora, the streets hurried down

Through the boisterous gates to your port full of blessings

(Hölderlin, The Archipelago)

Posted by: anon | Sep 20 2018 16:21 utc | 136

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