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September 12, 2018

Open Thread 2018-46

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Putin's getting ready to kneel to his Lords in the US, etc. Will Trump allow him to save face this time? My guess is that Assad's days are numbered.

Posted by: paul | Sep 12, 2018 1:54:41 PM | 1

@1 paul.. at least you're consistent.. you've been preaching this for a number of years here at moa... they say a stopped clock is right at least a couple of times in a day!

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 2:09:25 PM | 2

Much improved GIF animation of the 2 russians at Gatwick
https://postimg.cc/image/pw7t667ch/

In my opinion this shows the background match to be so exact that it is almost certain they entered via the same 'tunnel', at different times. I am aware of the previous discussion, but I find the explanations unconvincing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12, 2018 2:24:56 PM | 3

@2 j

But is a broken digital clock, i.e. Paul, EVER right?

Posted by: xLemming | Sep 12, 2018 2:26:41 PM | 4

The Robert Fisk article paints a much different picture of the supposed preparations for a major assault -- what's going on? -- are the ongoing negotiations going to permit the jihadist vermin to escape their just fates? -- is Idlib to be abandoned to the jihadists to set up a state within the State of Syria?

Posted by: Chet | Sep 12, 2018 2:34:26 PM | 5

paul

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12, 2018 2:38:07 PM | 6

@6 Haven't you heard? Evidence is passé. So 20th century.

Posted by: Ash | Sep 12, 2018 2:43:54 PM | 7

Posted by: Chet | Sep 12, 2018 2:34:26 PM | 5

It's fascinating how no alternative outcomes (besides massacre with or without chemical weapons) and/or ameliorating measures (evacuation, sequestration of civilian populations) have been offered, nor how often Erdogan's closed border and Erdogan's stance wrt to the Kurds are essential roadblocks.

Yes, reading Fisk, I wondered how much this vision of a massacre was a projection of a Mosul-like "resolution" ... see also Ramallah and Fallujah. Because "we" cannot imagine tactics beyond shock-and-awe total destruction via Dresden-like carpet bombing. As we've seen, we project a heartless "barbarity" tat does not square with the reality that Assad (and Russia and Iran) have to live with consequences, because they live / reside in the neighborhood ... they don't get to "go home" as Americans have been doing since before WWI.

I saw an article just yesterday that "30,000 had fled Iqbil" ... as if this were a bad or "ominous" thing ... We've had a well over month of ominous predictions ...

My favorite are the NYT and Guardian stories that state that US/UK forces are embarking on a final push to eradicated ISIS ... a final clean up and consolidation .... reality is so upside down.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 12, 2018 2:53:15 PM | 8

To add to Norwegian@3, George Galloway made a couple of very interesting points, especially about the time stamp on the photo. He said the Skripals left the house in the morning, never to return. The "Russian agents" could not have arrived in Salisbury until noon or thereabouts...hmmmm...and they would have had to paint the doorknob with this deadliest of poisons in full view of everyone. Perhaps the Russians have learned to time travel or warp time. I wouldn't put it past them http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50231.htm

Posted by: m | Sep 12, 2018 3:04:05 PM | 9

Susan -8
The US and Western lackeys can go into other countries and beat up the local undesirables, but that own country's army and government sure cannot clean up on their own, that's verboten, as we see in Idlib.
At this point, the wet dream of the US leadership is blatantly obvious: a world where only the US and those they deem fit and subservient enough should have the right of having a military; everyone else should disarm. It's not a gun license for US citizens, it's an army license for all the world's countries, and those that aren't obedient should disband their troops, give up their weapons and submit to the US' will. This way, the US would be sure that no country would ever try to deviate too much from US orders, otherwise the US would send the gunboats, like Western nations did in the 19th century, and the locals would have no means of defense.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 12, 2018 3:06:48 PM | 10

For any who wonder if Russia is somehow losing the match by failing to score what look to them like easy goals, take a read of Andrei Martyanov's latest piece at Unz Review. This will restore faith - if you want it - that Russia isn't losing anything, but rather is gaining the world.

We can't link directly to Unz, unfortunately, although the URL is simple enough: unz dot com.

Martyanov's article is called "Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts"

He points out how the world since 2014 is radically different because of Russia's actions; that Russia certainly is not afraid to act, and supremely quickly at that - witness Crimea; and that, just as the orderlies in a mental institution don't take personal offense when restraining a deranged patient, nor does Russia when the US does all its talking, while Russia performs the key actions.

There is no loss of honor for an orderly hearing abuse while restraining a patient. Just so, for Russia there is no honor at stake in allowing the US to fall slowly to its resting place without unnecessary conflict.

There is no honor in the west. There is no honor at stake for Russia in how she chooses to deal with it. And how she chooses to deal with it is to inherit the world that the west is throwing away through its own dementia.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 12, 2018 3:21:06 PM | 11

We all love a link, so I thought I'd see if we can post this site, which has a reprint of Martyanov's article:

Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts

It's a quick and fun read, at 1,800 words.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 12, 2018 3:24:09 PM | 12

Real reason for western elite hatred of Russia is that it has destroyed neo con dreams of full spectrum dominance in military affairs. Doubt US would have invaded Iraq in 2003 if Russian military was as strong then as it us today.

Posted by: Ragheb | Sep 12, 2018 3:25:02 PM | 13

One dangerous development is the censorship by Facebook and Twitter. The Syrian National/TV sites (including the Presidents) have been blocked. This is not JUST to be awkward. If, as they are apparently planning to do - many of the west's armies will bomb Syria - naturally there will be massive CIVILIAN casualties. The shutting down of Syrian "defensive or pro-Government" sites is therefore a pre-emptive strike to hide the horror that has been planned. Remember what happened to Raqqua and Mosul - now hidden from the majority.

Posted by: stonebird | Sep 12, 2018 3:28:12 PM | 14

Censorship promoters get censored ought to bring a chuckle but it doesn't with me at least.

Please visit the end of the last open thread to get my comment and links to the Eastern Economic Forum as what's being discussed there is the entire reason why the Outlaw US Empire threatens the entire world.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12, 2018 3:29:07 PM | 15

In other news, the EU has passed Article 11 and 13-

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved

There is various commentary-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND29C1A6EPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D89qZ1jgzM

also the Free Speech Panel at the EU Parliament -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pzLVCzWAdA

I am in 2 minds about this, the obvious thing is that it is BAD, however strategically it might be GOOD if it passes, if all the US SaaS providers switch off EU countries, e.g. Microsoft Office 365 etc. the EU will be plunged into first an economic, social and political catastrophe and then second a war by the vast majority of the citizenry against their corrupt and criminal governments, whether local, national or EU. It might offer a chance to cleanse Europe of an evil as we did in 1945.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 3:38:52 PM | 16

In all areas held by jihadis the most difficult issue was how to blow them up and not the civilians they were holding hostage. The Syrian and Russian strategy has been from the start to let the jihadis do their thing, wait, never escalate but negotiate, so as to avoid civilian casualties. This strategy has worked to win the war, and seems to be the same one they're following in Idlib. In contrast to previous hawkish threats by FUKUS and Nato, the propaganda mills are churning out much milder fare than previously. The Israelis have started admitting they were supporting '12' terror groups in Syria, and French ex foreign minister of defense, now 'minister for Europe and foreign affairs' Jean-Yves Le Drian, has declared that Nato has lost the war, but Assad has not 'won the peace'. Assad and Putin have learnt the lesson long ago, that they cannot negotiate with terrorists like Le Drian, and are better off negotiating with Erdogan, AlQaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Posted by: bm | Sep 12, 2018 3:40:36 PM | 17

@11/12 grieved.. thanks.. basically how i see it too, although i hadn't heard the folk tale before about the cat, chicken and etc..

@14 stonebird.. in the final analysis - twitter, fb, google and all these social network outlets have limited value and scope..i think that is worth remembering.. the world will go on after these outlets cease to exist, as it did before they came into being..

@15 tj.. quote from first link "The most important parts of this are Articles 11 and 13. Article 11 is intended to give publishers and papers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories, allowing them to demand paid licenses. Article 13 requires certain platforms like YouTube and Facebook stop users sharing unlicensed copyrighted material." further down "This is why figures like Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales and World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee came out so strongly against the directive."
sounds good to me if these companies and folks don't like it!!

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 3:44:37 PM | 18

regarding youtube taking down a number of syrian gov't channels... this is what i would expect from youtube owner -google- serving it's usa-israel masters... they blame it on the financial sanction b.s. - fair enough... all bow down to the exceptional financial sanction regime...

"The four government-affiliated channels and their hundreds of videos’ worth of content have been deleted, replaced with the message: “This account has been terminated for a violation of YouTube’s Terms of Service.” As for PresidencyCy, the channel of the Syrian presidency, the deleted channel displays the message: “This account has been terminated due to a legal complaint.”

YouTube’s decision prompted scorn among some social media users, who said that the deleted channels, including that of the Syrian Arab News Agency and the Syrian Defense Ministry, provided them with an alternative perspective on the Syrian conflict to that put forth by Western governments and media."

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 3:53:22 PM | 19

@18 james

You just linked to my post without paying me, I demand £1BN in compensation for this outrage! (Article 11)

You also shared unlicensed copyrighted material by quoting from the Verge article. (Article 13)

You have violated both Articles 11 and 13 in your response to my post, if they had both passed into law you would be liable. See the problem here?

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 3:59:23 PM | 20

Censorship, Extraordinary Rendition, kangaroo courts (no habeas corpus), No privacy or free speech rights, heavy handed government generally and a police state - these were things that I learned in school which the Soviet Union inflicted on its citizens.

All of these are now a part of life in the USA where "at least we know we're free". (Lee Greenwood)

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 12, 2018 4:01:02 PM | 21

@tj 20 .. good example!!! but i would like an exception for the little guy, like that is ever going to happen... actually this copyright bs has been going on for some time.. anyone who can put the screws to google and etc has my vote..

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 4:05:09 PM | 22

bm @17--

Your concluding observation's very close to the mark--it's not just the Outlaw US Empire that's "agreement incapable." The reconciliation concept and its results is one reason why Assad enjoys his level of support. Essentially the same concept's being used in Korea, albeit within a different context and on a bigger scale.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12, 2018 4:05:38 PM | 23

@22 What constitutes a "little guy"? Unless you have an exact legal description then it is not an exception that can be defended and therefore no exception at all. Also if we are talking about defining "little guy" in terms of web traffic any site that has suffered the Slashdot Effect or even just been DDoSed would suddenly not be a "little guy" any more. Are you beginning to see the unintended consequences AKA blow back from the corrupt EU that is just doing the bidding of transnational copyright holders?

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 4:23:09 PM | 24


Thanks to Debisdead for chasing all the Nazis away!

I've been fighting alt-right Nazis since 1989, and blocking 4chan/8chan trolls/Pepe meme/white nationalist losers since 2016!

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 12, 2018 4:26:44 PM | 25

@24 tg... b would be a little guy.. his work is taken and disseminated around the web without his authorization.. he probably has some copyright control of his content, but i think you are correct in who this is catering to - transnational copyright holders.. as a musician, the whole copyright thing is a mixed bag for me... i would like everything to be held in common, but i know this is not the idea of copyright laws as practiced by both music corps and multi national corps..copyright laws favor privatization of everything.. basmati rice is an example... monsanto at one time wanted to copyright it, in spite of it being a product of the punjab area of india.. mostly i have seen copyright laws being a bad thing, as opposed to a good thing..

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 4:50:40 PM | 26


Hitler kann den Krieg nicht gewinnen, nur noch verlängern.

This was on a White Rose pamphlet, Munich, 1943, referring to the Eastern Front.

Trump can’t win the war in Syria, he can only prolong it.


Posted by: DineroDProfit | Sep 12, 2018 5:30:40 PM | 27

I don't understand why an aggregate service such as Google News should be required to be licensed, or pay a "link tax". It's not republishing the material, it is directing persons to the material. Is having traffic directed to your site not a desirable outcome on the internet? If I remember correctly, a British publishing concern complained some years ago that direct links to its published stories circumvented the preferred direction of potential readers through its homepage first. This misunderstanding of the actual dynamics of online media is not dissimilar to the television executives who believed that VHS taping constituted "theft" because viewers were skipping through the advertisements. The copyright filter applied to YouTube will necessarily be automated, and will create a huge amount of "false positives" which will effectively ruin the best features of YT but also any and all user-generated online services. Executives of large media concerns, who are pushing this, often don't know what they are talking about and/or have a too narrow focus. They have been exposed as repeatedly wrong going back at least to the '80s when they tried to stop digital technologies from getting into the hands of consumers.

Elsewhere, hilariously, UK security minister Wallace asserted the Novichok was assuredly in a perfume bottle, got into the country because of poor baggage checks, had the capability "to kill or injure hundreds and hundreds of people”, but was not a health risk to persons on the plane or public transit used by the suspects. ????

Posted by: jayc | Sep 12, 2018 5:33:25 PM | 28

@26 james

Can you prove b is a "little guy" in a Courtroom?

MoA got a mention on RTs CrossTalk -

https://youtu.be/jdKWv11pi1k?t=312

Does that seem like a "little guy"?

I introduced my mother to Basmati it is the only rice she cooks with now, the Golden Temple is beautiful, and yes, I can make authentic keema peas, and although I don't have a picture of Guru Nanak, and I wouldn't ever mess with the Sikh Lancers.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 6:04:57 PM | 29


Last month, when the White House announced that it had deported 95-year-old Jakiw Palij, a former Nazi guard, back to Germany, I took out a bottle of 1996 Dom Perignon Rose Gold Methuselah to celebrate the good news

And today when Debisdead drove those Nazis and antisemites away from the Open Thread, I took out another legendary Dom Pérignon Rosé Vintage 1959 that I bought at an auction by Acker Merrall & Condit for US $84,700 in New York, which means the winner could indulge with one bottle and save one for investment!

Forty-two grand for a Champagne?

Well, it’s a Dom after all, and no Dom is ever cheap. When you consider that 1959 was a time when the likes of Taylor, Dean, Ball, Day, Presley, Wayne, Sinatra, and Monroe were all over the place, then you have history and “aged” never having it so good together.

Here’s to you, Debisdead!

Come on, let's all drink a toast to Debisdead

Man it feels good, everything is right

Energy is strong enough to brighten up city lights

My whole tribe is winning, with no signs of of ever quitting

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 12, 2018 6:09:43 PM | 30

@jayc 28

Google News reproduces the headline and some of the text, that is enough to get them in trouble.

And yes, HMG is a source of continuing amusement, assuming they don't get us all killed in a Global Thermonuclear war.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 6:10:54 PM | 31

@Avner Cohen 30

Dom was done in the 80s, all the wine, modern art, and classic cars will be wiped out in the next crash, I sold my Daytona Spyder a while ago and it helped pay for the bunker.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12, 2018 6:19:34 PM | 32

hey avner cohen have you donated to b for maintaining this site that makes you feel soooo good? you seem soooo rich. full of it... with richness that is. be good and be well, and salutes to your tribe.

Posted by: albagen | Sep 12, 2018 6:22:06 PM | 33

27 - "Trump can’t win the war in Syria, he can only prolong it."

The same goes for Afghanistan. Why does no politician stand up on his feet to say "Enough!"?

I believe it was Putin who said or quoted, "Russia doesn't start wars; it ends wars"

With us, it's America doesn't end wars or win wars; it starts wars.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Sep 12, 2018 6:33:14 PM | 34

@5 I find Fisk's report rather amateurish for several reasons. For one he assumes that the limited area he traveled through mostly on foot is the "front line". I doubt the SAA or its allies would let a foreign journalist who for all they know could be a MI6/CIA operative visit their most important staging points, artillery peices or troop gatherings. His line: "Russian and Syrians use "terrorism" now with all the alacrity that George W Bush deployed after he after he invaded Iraq-" sounds like an empty smear and is rather ridiculous. How can one compare Bush's rhetoric about Iraqis defending their own country from a illegal aggressive invasion of choice by US forces from across ocean to the Syrian army defending their own country from vicious head chopping Jihadis, many of which are foreigners and directly armed by foreign governments?
If he doesn't believe "terrorists" is a proper word for Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Jabhat al-Wataniya al-Tahrir, Ahrar al-Sham or Noor Al Zinki or any of these groups, than what should we call them? Fisk dismisses the Western propaganda outlets estimates of numbers of fighters as well as more knowledgable less bias estimates by military analysts, yet his perspective is just traveling through some depopulated dead zones between the two sides.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 12, 2018 6:45:18 PM | 35

BigLie Media--1 Truth--0. Someone commented about the disgusting state of education within the Outlaw US Empire. Here's some sad evidence of that.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12, 2018 6:56:07 PM | 36

lost in my own private maze, thinking about other things: warrants, stock offerings, ESOPs, LBOs, IPOs, finances, refinances, debentures, converts, proxy statements, 8-Ks, 10-Qs, zero coupons, PiKs, GNPs, the IMF, hot executive gadgets, billionaires, infinity, how fast a luxury car should go, bailouts, junk bonds, whether I should to cancel my subscription to The Economist

a Rolls is a Rolls is a Rolls, billions of dollars

To celebrate the life imprisonment in Germany of the 89-year old Nazi grandma Ursula Haverbeck (for denying the Holocaust), I take out a bottle of 1928 Krug – $21,200

Here’s a toast to Debisdead!

An excellent summer in 1928 and consequently an ideal harvest situation at the end of September conspired to produce this legendary, distinctly rich fermented vintage

Astute marketing, fending off Nazi attention at the height of World War 2, fortunate circumstances in its favor all ensured this 1928 collection stayed in the Krug cellars for decades.

A reputation for being the late King George VI’s favorite also doesn’t hurt

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 12, 2018 7:25:49 PM | 37

From ZeroHedge by way of Mint Press News. . . .

https://www.mintpressnews.com/gas-attack-idlib/249009/

Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Sep 12, 2018 7:34:28 PM | 38

@29 tj... everything boils down to proof in a court room.. the lawyers are winning and i ain't having anything to do with them.. screw them and their laws.. glad your mom likes the basmati rice... i was at the golden temple once in 98.. i saw the bullet holes on the inside of some of the walls.. it was interesting.. i had a meal outside on the street that they must have emptied the salt shaker onto before serving it to me.. the food started to get bad after we left gujarat.. you would think the food in punjab would be better, but i didn't think it was..

- hey, is that the new improved charles drake? lol...

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 7:37:18 PM | 39

I'm with you Norwegian. Same tunnel, different times. They want these men arriving on the same flight for some reason. Probably to fit to the rest of the "proof" in some way.

The lighting change I think proves that they arrived at different times, given that it's likely the same tunnel. Not sure why so many aren't convinced by the gif. I think many don't even get that the one pic is flipped?

Posted by: sejomoje | Sep 12, 2018 7:52:46 PM | 40

Is there a way to delete comments if you post in wrong page? Accidentally already posted this on a previous page...
@5 I find Fisk's report rather amateurish for several reasons. For one he assumes that the limited area he traveled through mostly on foot is the "front line". I doubt the SAA or its allies would let a foreign journalist who for all they know could be a MI6/CIA operative visit their most important staging points, artillery peices or troop gatherings. His line: "Russian and Syrians use "terrorism" now with all the alacrity that George W Bush deployed after he after he invaded Iraq-" sounds like an empty smear and is rather ridiculous. How can one compare Bush's rhetoric about Iraqis defending their own country from a illegal aggressive invasion of choice by US forces from across ocean to the Syrian army defending their own country from vicious head chopping Jihadis, many of which are foreigners and directly armed by foreign governments?
If he doesn't believe "terrorists" is a proper word for Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Jabhat al-Wataniya al-Tahrir, Ahrar al-Sham or Noor Al Zinki or any of these groups, than what should we call them? Fisk dismisses the Western propaganda outlets estimates of numbers of fighters as well as more knowledgable less bias estimates by military analysts, yet his perspective is just traveling through some depopulated dead zones between the two sides.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 12, 2018 8:07:23 PM | 41

#37 John

thanks for that link to mintpressnews, which I haven't seen before. very interesting article there also on an indigenous community here in Mexico that kicked out the corrupt politicians and security forces 7 years ago, and re-established a form of community/communal governance - largely at first to rid their area of illegal loggers who of course were in cahoots with the politcos and the drug-cartel scoundrels


"....Shortly after the uprising, all cell phone, television, and radio service were reportedly shut off, disconnecting the people from the rest of the world. In this space, the people of Cherán came together to organize nightly “fogatas’, or campfire barricades, which became the central meeting points for organizing. During this process the community came to a consensus and agreed to return to their traditional forms of self-governance using a collective decision making process that continues today.

“The fogatas met every night during the uprising,” TV Cheran reported. “Each fogata would send proposals and a representative to neighborhood assemblies and then to community assemblies. The fogata element of the communal government in Cherán was the only new element."

The neighborhood assemblies and the larger general assembly are examples of traditional forms of self-governance that were practiced in Cherán 40 years earlier. However, over time political parties and external forms of governance were forced on the people...."

I am always on the look out for news about alternative forms of governing, which can of course more easily work in established indigenous communities. A large example was the Oaxaca uprising 2004-2006 during the Fox administration in Mexico (destroyed of course by the Feds sending in their troops when the revolution threatened the state-narco control of social services and governance)

article is here www.mintpressnews.com/crime-in-mexico-cheran/249131/

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 12, 2018 8:08:33 PM | 42

Article over at the Stalker Zone on the forged letter that brought down the first UK Labour government of Ramsey McDonald in 1924.

"The frank forgery that is the “Zinoviev’s letter” came to London from the Riga department of the Secret Intelligence Service of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office of Britain (or SIS, nowadays better known as MI-6) with an assurance that the authenticity of the document “does not raise doubts” (the most ancient form of “highly likely“) The Labour government was doomed. Rectifying the situation in such a short period of time before elections didn’t seem to be possible."

Mark Twain's truism still holds today, "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." And the media is little different except for sites like this. Thanks B and keep up the good fight. Don't let the bastards get you down.

Vladimir Kornilov: The Prequel to the Skripal Affair – Britain Investigates the “Great Forgery”

Posted by: Tom | Sep 12, 2018 8:28:39 PM | 43

Grieved @ 12: Great article, thanks for the link. Makes total sense, am hoping sincerely that the author is correct in his analysis.

Posted by: ben | Sep 12, 2018 8:35:17 PM | 44

The MintPressNews articles appears to be old news. It is dated Sept 10 and the linked WSJ article it quotes is dated Sept 9...

Posted by: TheBAG | Sep 12, 2018 10:30:46 PM | 45

@40 jason.. there is no way to delete comments here, unless you get b to do it... btw - i commented on your post on the other thread where you left that comment.. cheers -

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 10:51:32 PM | 46

@42 tom.. i think it was grieved or maybe karlof1 that pointed that out here on another thread about 2-3 days ago.. good stuff either way..

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 10:52:44 PM | 47

So we had 9/11 aniversary yesterday. No one really cared. The biggest hoax in history goes down with no one fighting this cluster-f@ck of incident.
Repeat a lie and controll mass media, and you will reign as Louis the 24th. I am appalled at the not knowing and not caring , of today.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 12, 2018 10:56:04 PM | 48

some good articles on fars news tonight... some here might want to check them out..

http://en.farsnews.com/

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2018 10:59:18 PM | 49

DLA@47

Yeah, beyond UNZ there was not much discussion, even here

I guess at some point fatigue settles in among those who know the official story is BS and dont mind speaking out. Those who dont know or pretend to dont know are either cognitively disabled, looking out after their own welfare, silenced by national security laws and/or fear being called out as conspiracy theorists.

This is why there is no path ahead but further descent on Jacobs Ladder. Evil does not back down from being ignored. On the contrary, its quite the opposite

Posted by: Pft | Sep 12, 2018 11:50:44 PM | 50

@47 den lille abe / 49 pft.... i mentioned it on the syrian thread yesterday... here is my comment from that thread...

"yer local scam news from the usa daily press briefing.. aside from acknowledging the horrific nature of 9-11 inflicted on the usa, there is of course no mention of the horrors that it inflicted on many many more in the countries outside of the usa, thanks the usa's phony war on terrorism..but of course, how can you have a war on terrorism, when you are the terrorism globally? more fun stuff at the link, if you like being propagandized..

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/09/285807.htm

from heather nauert - "Next, and this is also related to Syria, I’d like to highlight this: The Assad regime and Russia continue to falsely accuse the White Helmets through a massive disinformation campaign, leaving its volunteers at significant risk. Many of you are familiar with the good work that the White Helmets has – that they have done and that they continue to do. The White Helmets are a humanitarian organization that has saved thousands of lives and continues to save civilian lives after bombardments by Russian and regime military forces. The United States and the international community continue to support their heroic work."

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2018 7:39:05 PM | 29

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2018 12:04:56 AM | 51

Censorship in the USA from Black Agenda Report:

https://blackagendareport.com/first-they-came-alex-jones-then-rt-and-syrian-tv

"Russian and Syrian news services in the US have been censored, but you can still get streaming jihadist propaganda from al Qaeda-controlled Idlib Province."

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2018 1:29:43 AM | 52

@Den Lille Abe: You might want to check this out: "WTC 7 Did Not Collapse from Fire" - Dr. Leroy Hulsey, UAF, Sept. 6, 2017. Dr. Hulsey is a real Professor of Structural Engineering and a Department Chair at the University of Alaska Fairbanks — not some kooky guy with a fake diploma. His conclusion: the official government investigation of the WTC Building 7 collapse is dead wrong. The main problem is that the building model used in the official investigation entirely omitted an important structural element that prevented lateral movement of the girders. I highly recommend watching the presentation.

Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 2:15:10 AM | 53

Interesting article on and comments by Thomas Frank, touching on the cognitive elite as a unified class and war on the middle class (my words not his)

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/09/read-book-itll-make-radical-conversation-thomas-frank.html

".....the ongoing dissolving and crumblingand sinking— all his metaphors — of our society. And with such metaphors Frank describes the “one essential story” he is telling in Rendezvous with Oblivion: “This is what a society looks like when the glue that holds it together starts to dissolve. This is the way ordinary citizens react when they learn that the structure beneath them is crumbling. And this is the thrill that pulses through the veins of the well-to-do when they discover that there is no longer any limit on their power to accumulate” "

And this

"Today we live in a world of predatory bankers, predatory educators, even predatory health care providers, all of them out for themselves…. Liberalism itself has changed to accommodate its new constituents’ technocratic views. Today, liberalism is the philosophy not of the sons of toil but of the ‘knowledge economy’ and, specifically, of the knowledge economy’s winners: the Silicon Valley chieftains, the big university systems, and the Wall Street titans who gave so much to Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign…. They are a ‘learning class’ that truly gets the power of education......."

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13, 2018 2:38:42 AM | 54

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2018 1:29:43 AM | 51

Ben is Kodi use very prevalent in amerika? In case anyone is unfamiliar with the Kodi app it is a piece of software which started life as a mod for the original xbox gaming console. It became very popular because not only did it permit xbox owners to run vcd's and dvd' movies on their xboxes, it by passed a lot of the digital rights management garbage such as regions at the other one still used sometimes that prevents us from running mp4's divx and mkv files (plus many others) by screwing with the audio. Live TV streaming is where the app (which is generally free for most distros being shareware) really shines.
The Kodi site plays down the illegal copies and being able to access pay cable with kodi cos natch they have been harassed by everyone, but a web search quikly turns up Kodi addons that open up just about every TV network and the channels on them all. The Kodi app comes in windoze, mac, linux & android flavours so you can run it on anything pretty much.

I have been using it to watch RT and Press TV outta Iran for years.
A while back about the same time as Aleppo heated up, RT was harder to watch in Aotearoa and that is where Kodi really came into its own. I swapped to a VPN of a country which wasn't a member of five eyes and the lag and buffering problems disappeared.
Otherwise a trip to the RT website will allow you to access a browser link that gets live RT on your net device.

Since I prefer watching the news on a big screen I watch RT and all the rest on an android box that sits between my home network and the TV.

These censorship derps are never gonna get the genie back in the bottle.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 13, 2018 3:01:54 AM | 55

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13, 2018 2:38:42 AM | 53

People have the power. They just don't use it. All this "predatory" stuff is based on how people live and what they consume. If people think their kids are best served in private schools private schools will flourish. If people vote on politicians based on who will reduce taxes most (good public schools and health care cost money), private business will take over. Costing them even more than the tax as they will have to pay a profit. And the promised "efficiency" means the management is "predatory".
And if people prefer to sit in front of a computer screen to talking to and helping their neighbours, the "glue of society" and the basis for collective action dissolves.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2018 4:24:54 AM | 56

@ somebody | 56

Good comment!

Just like “usury”, “predatory bankers” is a code word for jews

Last year I flew down from NYC to observe that Charlottesville, Va “Unite the Right” protest and I’ve never seen such a pathetic bunch of losers.

If I had to guess, I’d say the average net worth of one of those trailer park nazis was around $500 (yes, that’s five hundred dollars!) and I’m probably giving them way too much credit….LMAO!

Meanwhile, the lowest paid partner at Goldman Sachs earns $900,000 a year, not counting bonuses

And yet, the media and at least 50 percent of the country spent the last year attacking these trailer park nazi losers, and they’re STILL doing it...LMAO

As Jay Gould once said: "I can hire one-half the working class to kill the other half."

While writing this, it occurs to me that I've forgotten who I had lunch with yesterday, and even more important, where.

I remember it was one of the partners, and we were at 10 Columbus Cir, 4th Floor at the Time Warner Center, but did we eat the Prix Fixe at Masa for $585 or did we have the prix fixe at Per Se for $325 per person?

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 6:25:14 AM | 57

post 3

"that it is almost certain they entered via the same 'tunnel', at different times. I am aware of the previous discussion, but I find the explanations unconvincing."

If you have traveled through the airport you would have needed to select one of the five identical "alleyways" to reach the exit.

If you haven't your opinion is based on opinion, not fact.


Posted by: OhOh | Sep 13, 2018 6:28:48 AM | 58

Post 40

"I'm with you Norwegian. Same tunnel, different times."

Edit for my post 58.

There are 4 identical "alleyways". The 5th is wider, presumably for assisted passengers, wheelchair bound for example or bed bound medical passengers.

Posted by: OhOh | Sep 13, 2018 6:45:42 AM | 59

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 6:25:14 AM | 57

I assumed Donald Trump is not as much worth as he claims, I still do think he is worth more than 500 Dollar.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2018 6:51:24 AM | 60

@40 sejomoje: "I'm with you Norwegian. Same tunnel, different times."

Yes, and now we have proof that this interpretation is correct. See their interview now on RT: https://www.rt.com/news/438350-petrov-boshirov-interview-simonyan/

I added bold in the quote below:
---
The RT editor-in-chief also touched upon the most puzzling picture of the two, the photo from the Gatwick airport.

“Here is the picture that puzzled the whole world, Gatwick airport, you are leaving through a gate literally in the same times, almost the same second. How did it happen?” she asked.

We always go together through the same corridor and the same custom service officer or a policeman. One goes, the other waits. We went through the corridor together, we always [do it] together. How did it happen? It’s better to ask them [UK police],” Boshirov replied.
---

So they went through the same corridor just like I demonstrated in https://postimg.cc/image/pw7t667ch/ . This means the UK police manipulated the images, i.e. fabricated the evidence. Very interesting to have this confirmed directly....

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13, 2018 7:15:14 AM | 61

@58 @59 See my post @61 with proof from RT interview. This is no longer a matter of opinion.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13, 2018 7:22:50 AM | 62

somebody @56

People have the power. They just don't use it...And if people prefer to sit in front of a computer screen to talking to and helping their neighbours, the "glue of society" and the basis for collective action dissolves.

People have the power to be used by the tyrant or used by the oligarchs as per Plato's
Republic. If the people are lucky, they get a leader like Jose Marie Morelos, if not,
they end up getting the short end of the stick whether they would stick their necks out
or not. I don't disagree with the cited statement. No. Traditional people are also guilty
of being seduced by the emanations of USA commercial culture. What are these good folks
expected to do? to have no celular phone chats? ...to never learn to play digital Solitaire?

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 13, 2018 9:37:25 AM | 63

… whether I should to cancel my subscription to The Economist …

Avner Cohen @ 37.

Definetly. Yes! Immediately. Post haste! Please accept as sincere my cry from the heart and take my advice. A stellar action that will benefit many is within your grasp, just do it, like Nike says!

/ end sarc., ha ha, ;)

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 13, 2018 10:01:57 AM | 64

Skripal Poisoning "Suspects" Tell Sputnik, RT Editor-in-Chief They're Not Agents:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201809131067995758-skripal-photos-petrov-boshirov/

Turns out they are not fictitious names, but just common tourists. They spent only some hours in Salisbury.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13, 2018 10:08:09 AM | 65

@65 I'm not convinced. They looked nervous and not very forthcoming. Two guys go to Salisbury to look at a cathedral? Didn't like the slushy weather?

I think we need a bit more CCTV footage.

Posted by: dh | Sep 13, 2018 10:38:16 AM | 66


Wagner’s opera Das Rhinegold is a profound meditation on the metaphysical roots of capitalism.

In Wagner’s preliminary opera, Alberich gives up the mined gold to Wotan, but is not worried as he reasons that he can always “get more where that came from” since he possesses the Ring of power, forged from the stolen Rhine gold.

The Ring is the means by which the evil dwarf commands the labor of those mining the earth’s gold.

Unfortunately for him, his plans are thwarted by Loge and Wotan, even as the latter is forced to offer up the ring to the Giants in order to pay his contractual debt to them.

On the other hand, in Gotterdammerung, Alberich only appears as a spirit within his son, Hagen’s, dream. By this time Alberich neither possesses the hitherto mined gold, nor the gold ring of power he stole from the Rhinemaidens.

In fact, at the end of the opera, the Rhinegold/ring is returned to the Rhine nixies. They, in turn, swiftly murder the half-breed human/dwarf Hagen.

Presumably, these water nymphs then hide their gold better than before, in order to keep it safer from the Nibelung

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2018 10:38:21 AM | 67


I found out that E. Michael Jones (who is fluent in German and quotes from Faust without providing translations) has devoted an entire chapter of his book “Barren Metal” to Das Rheingold

Repeating a theme about banking as magic, Jones shows how through holding gold, banks can again and again lend out the “money,” which earns interest, while keeping the gold in the bank all along.

This was shown in Wagner's Goetterdaemmerung, where Alberich keeps the gold.

“Alberich can get it all back again, just as the Bank of England knows that it can draw all of the gold that went out in loans back from India and America by the simple manipulation of interest rates.

Usury, in other words, ensures that the gold will end up back in Alberich’s hands just as inexorably as it ensures that it will end up back in the vaults of the Bank of England” (p 1071).

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2018 11:00:01 AM | 68

Re: Posted by: dh | Sep 13, 2018 10:38:16 AM | 66

Their story is completely crazy. They go on a 24/36 hour round-trip from Moscow to Gatwick-Salisbury-Heathrow-Moscow to see the Salisbury cathedral?

Huh?

No way.

The Salisbury cathedral has a 123m spire. Does it? Exactly that height? Seems awfully specific to know a detail like that. Being awfully specific about minute details is one of the "tells" for those engaged in lying.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 13, 2018 11:32:37 AM | 69

@52 ben...".. but you can still get streaming jihadist propaganda from al Qaeda-controlled Idlib Province." the irony is just too rich... western-zionist run media is selective in what they will provide..

@61 norwegian.. good call on that...

@66 dh... what one believes is very subjective... some are going to believe the uk and may and some are going to believe those 2 guys in the rt interview... the fact the uk has not been forthcoming or followed protocol for the use of chemical weapons on their soil suggests to me, we are missing a lot on this story.. i would say the uk has handled this very poorly, but they have gotten top marks for framing russia in the absence of any type of proof.. the onus is on the uk under may to prove something here, but so far - they have next to nothing..

@69 julian... we see this very differently, just so you know..

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2018 12:21:44 PM | 70

OK, I've just watched the interview with Petrov and Boshirov, and it's a disaster. I'm a Russian living in Russia, and I have defended Russia from the very start of this affair, because there were so many inconsistencies, because the UK rushed to conclusions without having a proper investigation, because it made zero sense for Russia to make an attempt on Skripal's life, etc.

Now I don't know what to think. The guys are clearly lying. They are as unconvincing as they could possibly be. Clearly not good liars. It's comical, the way Boshirov explains the purpose of their visit to Salisbury. Turns out, there's a famous cathedral there! Don't you know about it? It's called, it's called… Boshirov then blanks, trying to remember the name of the supposedly amazing cathedral that was the whole point of their visit to Salisbury. I mean, c'mon!

What are we to make of it? Honestly, I'm at the point where I'm ready to believe the UK government on this one. There is a slight hope, however, that these guys are indeed Russian agents, yet were somehow set up by MI6. Here's how it could have played out:

1) The Russians were trying to get as much information as possible about Christopher Steele because of the infamous dossier. They start traveling Europe roughly at the time of Trump's victory and the accusations that followed. Makes sense.

2) After lots of meetings with sources all over the Europe, they finally identify the Steele-Miller-Skripal connection.

3) They somehow contact Skripal and ask him for a meeting. Skripal tentatively agrees. Then, being a loyal MI6 agent, immediately reports the conversation to his handler Pablo Miller.

4) The higher-ups at MI6 decide to use this opportunity to frame the Russian agents for attempted murder.

5) Skripal is told of the plan. He sets up a meeting with Petrov and Boshirov. Worried that the ensuing international scandal will result in him never seeing his daughter again, he asks her to come to Salisbury. This explains why Yulia and the agents arrived at the same time.

6) Petrov and Boshirov arrive at Skripal's house for the meeting, but no one's home. After ringing the bell and knocking on the door a couple of times, they decide to leave.

Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 12:25:53 PM | 71

@70 I'm not impressed with the British Government story either james. Far too many loose ends.

All I'm saying is that the Russian story looks dodgy. But you're right....people will believe what they want.

Posted by: dh | Sep 13, 2018 12:27:07 PM | 72

@71 S. How I wish my english was as good as yours.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13, 2018 12:55:52 PM | 73

Great comment "S", I don't buy that they were just tourists either and your outline teases the likely rough-frame of the real story. I wonder why they did not have a more plausible lie ready though, such as visiting friends or relatives? Oh well. "Real" spying isn't a neatly cinematic plan.

Posted by: sejomoje | Sep 13, 2018 1:24:35 PM | 74

A Strange Alibi is Craig Murray's take, and he makes excellent points. They are innocent and the UK is still without any evidence of proof for its outrageous allegations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13, 2018 1:51:50 PM | 75

A Canterbury Tale.Well written.The guys are believable.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 13, 2018 1:56:50 PM | 76

@ Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 12:25:53 PM | 71

This "a little bit of snow" theory is the weakest possible. British train is famous for its inneficiency. They spent only a few hours in Salisbury. It also explains why they went to a cheap hotel.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13, 2018 2:47:57 PM | 77

With the interview in hands (there is a transcript in RT site), the thing comes down essentially to one thing: do the Beitish have the perfume bottle (which the Russians deny they had) or not? Without tje weapon of crime, there is no case.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13, 2018 2:57:04 PM | 78

@71 s... your outline is conceivable... thanks for painting that particular scenario.. it is one of many possibilities here..

@72 dh... fair enough! sounds like @75 karlof1 link to craig murray is taking a similar view as i am here.. i have yet to read his article...

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2018 2:59:00 PM | 79

After Hurricane Harvey, victims had to sign an agreement that they would never criticize or boycott Israel before they could get any assistance to rebuild (see link below)

Now with Hurricane Florence approaching the Carolinas, this would be a good time to make the same laws in the Carolinas: to get any assistance people should have to sign an agreement not to support the boycott or to criticize Israel

South Carolina is already doing good and is the first state that's considering laws that would make it illegal to criticize Israel.

So this Hurricane gives them a good excuse to go ahead and pass those laws, along with more laws for anyone who needs Hurricane assistance

Also anyone who tries to get around these laws by using code words such as “usury” or “predatory bankers” should be fined and given a prison sentence as well

https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/Dickinson-claims-no-Hurricane-Harvey-relief-if-12292001.php


And the USA needs much more severe laws against hate speech as well as long prison sentences for Holocaust denial

Dean Irebodd (aka, dernierbud) should be serving life in prison (first) for expressing sympathy for all those revisionists who are imprisoned in Europe for holocaust denial and (second) for his 4 hour documentary called “One Third of the Holocaust”

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 3:17:58 PM | 80

Reading the transcripts of the interview made me think they are British agents. They certainly didnt do themselves any favors, which was probably the point .

Also RT never asked and they never said anything about being contacted by Russian authorities. Anyone believe no contact after the story broke is possible?

Also you would think they would bring their photos taken as tourists to make their point. Definitely does not pass the sniff test IMO.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13, 2018 3:20:08 PM | 81

Big question about English journalists: cretins or imbeciles?

In the article that is link, the story is that an English scientist was arrested. After being interviewed live of RT, his home was raided by police --- but of course! freedom rules! --- and several policemen got sick, so he was subsequently arrested.

In the text, he is described as chemical scientist. But in the title and photo captions, he is NUCLEAR scientist, and a photo show "Bomb disposal facility". So going by the title and caption, a nuclear scientist made a nuclear bomb at home, and the contact with the device made police sick --- the culprit is presumably a mutant that can resist very dangerous levels of radiation, even thrives on radiation. But nukes can be safely disposed by English police which is a truly impressive feat.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13, 2018 3:24:54 PM | 82

South Carolina is already doing good and is the first state that's considering laws that would make it illegal to criticize Israel.

So this Hurricane ...

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 3:17:58 PM | 80

... shows that South Carolina could (and should) do even better, hence Wrath of God slamming the shores.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13, 2018 3:29:18 PM | 83

A few items. Outlaw US Empire's negotiating with Taliban and demands it keep 2 bases while Taliban wants zero: "Bagram and Shorabak. Why not Jalalabad, Shindand? Why Shorabak near sensitive Iran-Pakistan border?" Also, Bhadrakumar must think this Foreign Policy article has merit, otherwise why retweet it? Manufacturing consent seems its point based on this exerpt:

"Today, however, the Taliban are seeking to present themselves as a legitimate political movement able to administer services and govern the country. As U.S. and Afghan forces pull back to protect major cities—as part of Washington’s new strategy—the Taliban are filling the vacuum. They are no longer just a shadowy insurgency; they are a government in waiting."

Putin took time out from the Vostok military exercises to attend and address the Eastern Economic Forum and had the following words to say, which substantiate my assessment of his and Xi's philosophies I summarized yesterday:

"Developing the Far East is an absolute priority for us. I would like to repeat that this is a consistent and long-term policy. We are working hard to create a strong centre of international cooperation and integration, business and investment activity, education, science and culture in the dynamically growing Asia-Pacific Region. We are building this centre primarily in the interests of Russian citizens, the residents of the Far East, for their wellbeing, as well as for people to fully realise their potential." [My emphasis]

Putin again raised two important diplomatic points dealing with the current world situation meant to show basic differences between the two competing ideologies that I'll leave for readers to discover.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13, 2018 3:30:09 PM | 84

@81 pft.. see carld's comment @39 on the turkey thread from today..

@83 piotr.. lol! good one... i think avner has been into the barb-q pork!

@84 karlof1... thanks for that overview..

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2018 3:40:36 PM | 85

Short video of troops and AFVs assembled for Vostok--far more impressive than any Red Square Parade and far larger than any military exercise in which I participated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13, 2018 3:58:10 PM | 86

@80 Right on Avner. Get those Carolinans re-educated.

And while you're at it how about a stiff sentence for Eric Trump for improper use of 'shekels'.

Posted by: dh | Sep 13, 2018 3:59:09 PM | 87

Interesting to see how people got used to being brain-washed by the media: if you see two ordinary Russian guys, who aren't media professionals, immediately you think they are lying, SINCE they do not act "professional". Sad state of affairs.

The natural reaction in such a case is to be scared. Is to not know what to say.

Posted by: Oliver K | Sep 13, 2018 4:43:12 PM | 88


@ dh 87


Bill Kristol, leader of the "Never Trump" movement summed it up best on Twitter: “Is Eric too stupid to know he’s being anti-Semitic?”

The improper use of the term shekels is the first step on a slippery slope

Look at Dean Irebodd (aka, dernierbud). First he claims he accidentally learned about revisionism in 2002/2003 and got fascinated by it.

Then he started asking questions. Big mistake. Next he started talking about the so-called “inhumane persecution of revisionist scholars” (meaning holocaust deniers) in Europe and this stimulated him to become active and make a documentary 4 hour documentary film that would’ve gotten him a long prison sentence in almost any European country

And he should be in prison, but first the US needs to make holocaust denial a crime punishable by a long prison sentence

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 4:46:12 PM | 89

@88 oliver k.... exactly....

Posted by: james | Sep 13, 2018 4:51:20 PM | 90

Another insightfull article of the Sputnik about aliens, this time about strange observatories and stranger things in the US, reminding us that "There is More Than Meets The Eye" in "scientific" installations or other similar places:

FBI Closing Down Solar Observatory, Spawns Alien Conspiracy Theories – Reports.
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201809131068011739-observatory-closure-aliens-theories/

The speed with which the US federal agency descended on the facility has led some people to believe that maybe the scientists there have stumbled upon something related to space aliens.

A new theory has emerged concerning why the FBI swooped upon the Sunspot Observatory in New Mexico’s Sacramento Mountains, The Independent reported.

According to the newspaper, this development, along with the observatory’s usual field of studies, led a number of people on the internet to wonder whether scientists might’ve seen something they shouldn’t have, with “one prominent YouTube channel” speculating that the observatory accidentally spotted an alien craft.

Now on another note my personal findings on the internet suggested that American military transport flights especially from Germany to Greecehave been harrased at least 15 different times upon them entering Greek airspace, for some reason the aliens preffer the flights that are ussualy landing on the Eleusis airport and continue through to Crete for the American base staged there. These are at least the known and officialy reported situations from local civilian control tower personel.

Americans however do not give up easily:

American Military:
http://www.zougla.gr/greece/article/epektasi-stratiotikis-parousias-stin-elada-vlepoun-i-ipa

(Originally in Greek. Scroll down for English version)

MOAR Muricans in Greece!

Posted by: Greece | Sep 13, 2018 5:12:24 PM | 91

The word on the street is that they (the Americans, not the aliens) are also responsible for the latest fire that left 100 people dead near Athens city, Mati at Vrillisia prefecture near Mount Penteli. ("Mati" in Greek means the "Eye" in English. Geologists and and seismologists have been suggesting that there lays the opening of a magnetic type of tunnel. Well, the CIA by all possibilities has identified the other magnetic exit of that feature. It is located near some hills at Langley, that is langley Virginia, in the US. Practically the other side of the planet.
Now the people are forced to abandon their homes and are selling them at dirt cheap prices.

Maybe the Muricans have some new plans about the place? They used to occupy 3 bases around that area and on top of the mountain doing strange things.

So If the word on the street is legit then it seems the renewed Murican occupation now counts 100 dead Greeks.
A steady patern s been starting to form here. more Muricans, of their military, more dead Greeks.

Posted by: Greece | Sep 13, 2018 5:29:12 PM | 92

Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 12:25:53 PM | 71

Sigh.

It is as plain and obvious as it could be.

They obviously went to London to enjoy themselves. Usually that happens in the evenings. And a lot of people don't really like to explain how they do it.
They had some time to spare during the day and went sightseeing. They already knew London sights. Friends had told them to see Salisbury.

CCTV is hell for privacy.

A major point - if the Russians had had to suspect that the British had CCTV of the two in front of Skripal's house they would not have put Putin's authority behind this.
They must be pretty sure that there is no evidence implicating the two.

And Scripal's house had CCTV for sure.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2018 5:58:07 PM | 93

Back to the Censorship Crisis. The Saker has interviewed the author Michael Hoffman about the banning of some of his books by Amazon. Now, I don't know this author or his books, but I trust Saker when he says they're not designed to arouse hatred or anything else open to "normal" censorship. I agree with the author's assessment of the following point:

"To be banned by Amazon is not equivalent to being banned by any other private business. Most publishers will admit that Amazon has replaced Bowker Books in Print as the industry’s authoritative guide to what books in English have been printed in the past and what is in print now. Amazon is currently the reference source. For a book to be forbidden by Amazon renders it largely invisible. It is equivalent to burning the book. So this is not a matter of Amazon exercising the prerogative of private enterprise. Amazon is a monopoly. It has no rival. If your book doesn’t exist on Amazon, then for most people who are not research specialists, your book doesn’t exist. The consequences for the pursuit of knowledge are ominous."

Seems Amazon's become Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451's fire department.

Now I rather doubt that Hoffman and I would agree on much of anything, but I must defend his right to have his research published, for if he can be censored and not told specifically why, then so could I and anyone else challenging status quo narratives. Indeed, every barfly at MoA ought to join in his defense--even trolls--since we are constantly engaged at challenging BigLie Media and government imposed narratives, which are the basic means for manufacturing consent.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13, 2018 6:12:17 PM | 94

More on censorship. Sharmine Narwani recommends the linked RT article, which has this lead:

"Like all foreign policy and military think tanks, the Atlantic Council exists to manufacture consent for the goals of its paymasters. It hit the jackpot when the world’s largest social media network put it in charge of censorship."

IMO, within the Outlaw US Empire, the current Censorship Crisis is far worse than the McCarthyism of the 1950s, although it has yet to degenerate to congressional hearings. From the end of The Saker item above:

"You tell me: which is worse, the absence of freedom or the illusion of freedom?" [Emphasis in original]

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13, 2018 6:55:41 PM | 95

S @71

Would Skripal have them come to his home?

Wouldn't the Cathedral make for a good place to meet?

Maybe Skripals were on the way there when they got "poisoned" (by MI6)?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 13, 2018 7:59:00 PM | 96

@ Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2018 5:58:07 PM | 93

The only part that looked fake in the interview was when they refused to say which was their business (like what is the name of their business -- every marketing is good marketing after all). From there, they were very vague on the places they travel. They also refused to reveal if they are a gay couple or just friends.

But that is also easily explainable: they work for the Eurasian Mafia. They travel to the European Peninsula under "business and fun", when they are actually doing mafia stuff.

This, obviously, doesn't involve the Kremlin: you can't blame the deeds of criminal organizations (which are private business) on the Nation-State is is HQd -- unless you're George W. Bush in Afghanistan. If you don't demonstrate the Eurasian Mafia and the Kremlin are interconnected to the point one is undistinguishable from the other, you can't blame Russia the nation for what two random private tourists do.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13, 2018 8:02:49 PM | 97

JackRabbit@96

It Also occurred to me that they may have hooked up with someone in Salisbury, perhaps the Skripals whom had lunch downtown at about the time these guys were in Salisbury

Vk@97

Yes, mafia business, maybe even mafia hit, or just taking payment to be patsies,or just normal mafia business (drugs, etc)

I keep coming back to nobody mentioning any Russian government contacts after them being exposed. Very strange. Perhaps instructed to be silent but you would think the interviewer asks.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13, 2018 8:56:17 PM | 98

Karlof1@94

Most of the censorship in US books take place at the publishing side. Books just dont get published or distributed if you cross a line into forbidden territory. Some smaller publishers may do it and sell direct to customer online but you have to know about the book first to find it.

Amazon tends to limit censorship to holocaust denial. Books that have "forbidden" content may still be available but via 3rd party sellers, higher prices and limited kindle availability , presumably to discourage sales , but thats just my guess. They also go out of print earlier.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13, 2018 9:06:43 PM | 99

@95 karlof1 - "...the current Censorship Crisis is far worse than the McCarthyism of the 1950s"

Yes, it bothers me, but on reflection, there is the bright side too, and one could also see, and say, that "the world of interconnected knowledge is vastly larger than that of the 1950s."

As commenters at the Saker point out, there are other outlets than Amazon. And Google finds them to easily in a search to purchase these books. One corporate giant shuts down an outlet, another corporate giant finds alternatives. One could say that many markets have enlarged through the expansion years of the Internet, including Alex Jones's and Hoffman's. Including Saker's, and including b's.

What matters is keeping the knowledge alive. As Serbian Girl says in her comment over there, she is archiving knowledge for when her daughter is older, because it may not be as easily available then. We must avail ourselves of this bonanza of knowledge now, and make sure it gets passed on.

On behalf of the poor and unprivileged, in this ancient and continual war of the rich and privileged against us, we are simply representatives of the poor class, soaking up learning like the most privileged of aristocrats. This window may close, but there will be other doors opening, other courses to follow. As commentators from Russia have told us, we have the example of the USSR to understand how we will survive in the US. They learned then to read the lies exactly backwards to understand the truth. And the whole culture was deep in this skill.

I also think that we won't even have to go underground, merely around. There are other platforms. We are already beginning to react to the closure. We will find ways to retreat to the hills. I hope to continue talking with you all there. The trolls won't find us for a few years probably. When they show up we'll know that then, like now, is time to reposition to yet another different ground to preserve this precious legacy of knowledge and understanding of our true human condition on this earth.

We will simply and easily go around, and evil will kill itself from its own incompetence.

Meet me not at the barricades - for that time has not come yet, and will show itself clearly, if it ever does come in our lives - but in the hills ;)

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 13, 2018 11:09:34 PM | 100

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