Much improved GIF animation of the 2 russians at Gatwick
https://postimg.cc/image/pw7t667ch/
In my opinion this shows the background match to be so exact that it is almost certain they entered via the same ‘tunnel’, at different times. I am aware of the previous discussion, but I find the explanations unconvincing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2018 18:24 utc | 3

The Robert Fisk article paints a much different picture of the supposed preparations for a major assault — what’s going on? — are the ongoing negotiations going to permit the jihadist vermin to escape their just fates? — is Idlib to be abandoned to the jihadists to set up a state within the State of Syria?

Posted by: Chet | Sep 12 2018 18:34 utc | 5

@6 Haven’t you heard? Evidence is passé. So 20th century.

Posted by: Ash | Sep 12 2018 18:43 utc | 7

To add to Norwegian@3, George Galloway made a couple of very interesting points, especially about the time stamp on the photo. He said the Skripals left the house in the morning, never to return. The “Russian agents” could not have arrived in Salisbury until noon or thereabouts…hmmmm…and they would have had to paint the doorknob with this deadliest of poisons in full view of everyone. Perhaps the Russians have learned to time travel or warp time. I wouldn’t put it past them http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50231.htm

Posted by: m | Sep 12 2018 19:04 utc | 9

For any who wonder if Russia is somehow losing the match by failing to score what look to them like easy goals, take a read of Andrei Martyanov’s latest piece at Unz Review. This will restore faith – if you want it – that Russia isn’t losing anything, but rather is gaining the world.
We can’t link directly to Unz, unfortunately, although the URL is simple enough: unz dot com.
Martyanov’s article is called “Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts”
He points out how the world since 2014 is radically different because of Russia’s actions; that Russia certainly is not afraid to act, and supremely quickly at that – witness Crimea; and that, just as the orderlies in a mental institution don’t take personal offense when restraining a deranged patient, nor does Russia when the US does all its talking, while Russia performs the key actions.
There is no loss of honor for an orderly hearing abuse while restraining a patient. Just so, for Russia there is no honor at stake in allowing the US to fall slowly to its resting place without unnecessary conflict.
There is no honor in the west. There is no honor at stake for Russia in how she chooses to deal with it. And how she chooses to deal with it is to inherit the world that the west is throwing away through its own dementia.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 12 2018 19:21 utc | 11

Real reason for western elite hatred of Russia is that it has destroyed neo con dreams of full spectrum dominance in military affairs. Doubt US would have invaded Iraq in 2003 if Russian military was as strong then as it us today.

Posted by: Ragheb | Sep 12 2018 19:25 utc | 13

Censorship promoters get censored ought to bring a chuckle but it doesn’t with me at least.
Please visit the end of the last open thread to get my comment and links to the Eastern Economic Forum as what’s being discussed there is the entire reason why the Outlaw US Empire threatens the entire world.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2018 19:29 utc | 15

In all areas held by jihadis the most difficult issue was how to blow them up and not the civilians they were holding hostage. The Syrian and Russian strategy has been from the start to let the jihadis do their thing, wait, never escalate but negotiate, so as to avoid civilian casualties. This strategy has worked to win the war, and seems to be the same one they’re following in Idlib. In contrast to previous hawkish threats by FUKUS and Nato, the propaganda mills are churning out much milder fare than previously. The Israelis have started admitting they were supporting ’12’ terror groups in Syria, and French ex foreign minister of defense, now ‘minister for Europe and foreign affairs’ Jean-Yves Le Drian, has declared that Nato has lost the war, but Assad has not ‘won the peace’. Assad and Putin have learnt the lesson long ago, that they cannot negotiate with terrorists like Le Drian, and are better off negotiating with Erdogan, AlQaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Posted by: bm | Sep 12 2018 19:40 utc | 17

regarding youtube taking down a number of syrian gov’t channels… this is what i would expect from youtube owner -google- serving it’s usa-israel masters… they blame it on the financial sanction b.s. – fair enough… all bow down to the exceptional financial sanction regime…
“The four government-affiliated channels and their hundreds of videos’ worth of content have been deleted, replaced with the message: “This account has been terminated for a violation of YouTube’s Terms of Service.” As for PresidencyCy, the channel of the Syrian presidency, the deleted channel displays the message: “This account has been terminated due to a legal complaint.”
YouTube’s decision prompted scorn among some social media users, who said that the deleted channels, including that of the Syrian Arab News Agency and the Syrian Defense Ministry, provided them with an alternative perspective on the Syrian conflict to that put forth by Western governments and media.”

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2018 19:53 utc | 19

Censorship, Extraordinary Rendition, kangaroo courts (no habeas corpus), No privacy or free speech rights, heavy handed government generally and a police state – these were things that I learned in school which the Soviet Union inflicted on its citizens.
All of these are now a part of life in the USA where “at least we know we’re free”. (Lee Greenwood)

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 12 2018 20:01 utc | 21

bm @17–
Your concluding observation’s very close to the mark–it’s not just the Outlaw US Empire that’s “agreement incapable.” The reconciliation concept and its results is one reason why Assad enjoys his level of support. Essentially the same concept’s being used in Korea, albeit within a different context and on a bigger scale.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2018 20:05 utc | 23

Thanks to Debisdead for chasing all the Nazis away!
I’ve been fighting alt-right Nazis since 1989, and blocking 4chan/8chan trolls/Pepe meme/white nationalist losers since 2016!

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 12 2018 20:26 utc | 25

Hitler kann den Krieg nicht gewinnen, nur noch verlängern.
This was on a White Rose pamphlet, Munich, 1943, referring to the Eastern Front.
Trump can’t win the war in Syria, he can only prolong it.

Posted by: DineroDProfit | Sep 12 2018 21:30 utc | 27

@26 james
Can you prove b is a “little guy” in a Courtroom?
MoA got a mention on RTs CrossTalk –
https://youtu.be/jdKWv11pi1k?t=312
Does that seem like a “little guy”?
I introduced my mother to Basmati it is the only rice she cooks with now, the Golden Temple is beautiful, and yes, I can make authentic keema peas, and although I don’t have a picture of Guru Nanak, and I wouldn’t ever mess with the Sikh Lancers.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12 2018 22:04 utc | 29

@jayc 28
Google News reproduces the headline and some of the text, that is enough to get them in trouble.
And yes, HMG is a source of continuing amusement, assuming they don’t get us all killed in a Global Thermonuclear war.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 12 2018 22:10 utc | 31

hey avner cohen have you donated to b for maintaining this site that makes you feel soooo good? you seem soooo rich. full of it… with richness that is. be good and be well, and salutes to your tribe.

Posted by: albagen | Sep 12 2018 22:22 utc | 33

@5 I find Fisk’s report rather amateurish for several reasons. For one he assumes that the limited area he traveled through mostly on foot is the “front line”. I doubt the SAA or its allies would let a foreign journalist who for all they know could be a MI6/CIA operative visit their most important staging points, artillery peices or troop gatherings. His line: “Russian and Syrians use “terrorism” now with all the alacrity that George W Bush deployed after he after he invaded Iraq-” sounds like an empty smear and is rather ridiculous. How can one compare Bush’s rhetoric about Iraqis defending their own country from a illegal aggressive invasion of choice by US forces from across ocean to the Syrian army defending their own country from vicious head chopping Jihadis, many of which are foreigners and directly armed by foreign governments?
If he doesn’t believe “terrorists” is a proper word for Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Jabhat al-Wataniya al-Tahrir, Ahrar al-Sham or Noor Al Zinki or any of these groups, than what should we call them? Fisk dismisses the Western propaganda outlets estimates of numbers of fighters as well as more knowledgable less bias estimates by military analysts, yet his perspective is just traveling through some depopulated dead zones between the two sides.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 12 2018 22:45 utc | 35

lost in my own private maze, thinking about other things: warrants, stock offerings, ESOPs, LBOs, IPOs, finances, refinances, debentures, converts, proxy statements, 8-Ks, 10-Qs, zero coupons, PiKs, GNPs, the IMF, hot executive gadgets, billionaires, infinity, how fast a luxury car should go, bailouts, junk bonds, whether I should to cancel my subscription to The Economist
a Rolls is a Rolls is a Rolls, billions of dollars
To celebrate the life imprisonment in Germany of the 89-year old Nazi grandma Ursula Haverbeck (for denying the Holocaust), I take out a bottle of 1928 Krug – $21,200
Here’s a toast to Debisdead!
An excellent summer in 1928 and consequently an ideal harvest situation at the end of September conspired to produce this legendary, distinctly rich fermented vintage
Astute marketing, fending off Nazi attention at the height of World War 2, fortunate circumstances in its favor all ensured this 1928 collection stayed in the Krug cellars for decades.
A reputation for being the late King George VI’s favorite also doesn’t hurt

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 12 2018 23:25 utc | 37

@29 tj… everything boils down to proof in a court room.. the lawyers are winning and i ain’t having anything to do with them.. screw them and their laws.. glad your mom likes the basmati rice… i was at the golden temple once in 98.. i saw the bullet holes on the inside of some of the walls.. it was interesting.. i had a meal outside on the street that they must have emptied the salt shaker onto before serving it to me.. the food started to get bad after we left gujarat.. you would think the food in punjab would be better, but i didn’t think it was..
– hey, is that the new improved charles drake? lol…

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2018 23:37 utc | 39

Is there a way to delete comments if you post in wrong page? Accidentally already posted this on a previous page…
@5 I find Fisk’s report rather amateurish for several reasons. For one he assumes that the limited area he traveled through mostly on foot is the “front line”. I doubt the SAA or its allies would let a foreign journalist who for all they know could be a MI6/CIA operative visit their most important staging points, artillery peices or troop gatherings. His line: “Russian and Syrians use “terrorism” now with all the alacrity that George W Bush deployed after he after he invaded Iraq-” sounds like an empty smear and is rather ridiculous. How can one compare Bush’s rhetoric about Iraqis defending their own country from a illegal aggressive invasion of choice by US forces from across ocean to the Syrian army defending their own country from vicious head chopping Jihadis, many of which are foreigners and directly armed by foreign governments?
If he doesn’t believe “terrorists” is a proper word for Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Jabhat al-Wataniya al-Tahrir, Ahrar al-Sham or Noor Al Zinki or any of these groups, than what should we call them? Fisk dismisses the Western propaganda outlets estimates of numbers of fighters as well as more knowledgable less bias estimates by military analysts, yet his perspective is just traveling through some depopulated dead zones between the two sides.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 13 2018 0:07 utc | 41

Article over at the Stalker Zone on the forged letter that brought down the first UK Labour government of Ramsey McDonald in 1924.
“The frank forgery that is the “Zinoviev’s letter” came to London from the Riga department of the Secret Intelligence Service of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office of Britain (or SIS, nowadays better known as MI-6) with an assurance that the authenticity of the document “does not raise doubts” (the most ancient form of “highly likely“) The Labour government was doomed. Rectifying the situation in such a short period of time before elections didn’t seem to be possible.”
Mark Twain’s truism still holds today, “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” And the media is little different except for sites like this. Thanks B and keep up the good fight. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Vladimir Kornilov: The Prequel to the Skripal Affair – Britain Investigates the “Great Forgery”

Posted by: Tom | Sep 13 2018 0:28 utc | 43

The MintPressNews articles appears to be old news. It is dated Sept 10 and the linked WSJ article it quotes is dated Sept 9…

Posted by: TheBAG | Sep 13 2018 2:30 utc | 45

@42 tom.. i think it was grieved or maybe karlof1 that pointed that out here on another thread about 2-3 days ago.. good stuff either way..

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2018 2:52 utc | 47

some good articles on fars news tonight… some here might want to check them out..
http://en.farsnews.com/

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2018 2:59 utc | 49

@47 den lille abe / 49 pft…. i mentioned it on the syrian thread yesterday… here is my comment from that thread…
“yer local scam news from the usa daily press briefing.. aside from acknowledging the horrific nature of 9-11 inflicted on the usa, there is of course no mention of the horrors that it inflicted on many many more in the countries outside of the usa, thanks the usa’s phony war on terrorism..but of course, how can you have a war on terrorism, when you are the terrorism globally? more fun stuff at the link, if you like being propagandized..
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/09/285807.htm
from heather nauert – “Next, and this is also related to Syria, I’d like to highlight this: The Assad regime and Russia continue to falsely accuse the White Helmets through a massive disinformation campaign, leaving its volunteers at significant risk. Many of you are familiar with the good work that the White Helmets has – that they have done and that they continue to do. The White Helmets are a humanitarian organization that has saved thousands of lives and continues to save civilian lives after bombardments by Russian and regime military forces. The United States and the international community continue to support their heroic work.”
Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2018 7:39:05 PM | 29

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2018 4:04 utc | 51

@Den Lille Abe: You might want to check this out: “WTC 7 Did Not Collapse from Fire” – Dr. Leroy Hulsey, UAF, Sept. 6, 2017. Dr. Hulsey is a real Professor of Structural Engineering and a Department Chair at the University of Alaska Fairbanks — not some kooky guy with a fake diploma. His conclusion: the official government investigation of the WTC Building 7 collapse is dead wrong. The main problem is that the building model used in the official investigation entirely omitted an important structural element that prevented lateral movement of the girders. I highly recommend watching the presentation.

Posted by: S | Sep 13 2018 6:15 utc | 53

Posted by: ben | Sep 13, 2018 1:29:43 AM | 51
Ben is Kodi use very prevalent in amerika? In case anyone is unfamiliar with the Kodi app it is a piece of software which started life as a mod for the original xbox gaming console. It became very popular because not only did it permit xbox owners to run vcd’s and dvd’ movies on their xboxes, it by passed a lot of the digital rights management garbage such as regions at the other one still used sometimes that prevents us from running mp4’s divx and mkv files (plus many others) by screwing with the audio. Live TV streaming is where the app (which is generally free for most distros being shareware) really shines.
The Kodi site plays down the illegal copies and being able to access pay cable with kodi cos natch they have been harassed by everyone, but a web search quikly turns up Kodi addons that open up just about every TV network and the channels on them all. The Kodi app comes in windoze, mac, linux & android flavours so you can run it on anything pretty much.
I have been using it to watch RT and Press TV outta Iran for years.
A while back about the same time as Aleppo heated up, RT was harder to watch in Aotearoa and that is where Kodi really came into its own. I swapped to a VPN of a country which wasn’t a member of five eyes and the lag and buffering problems disappeared.
Otherwise a trip to the RT website will allow you to access a browser link that gets live RT on your net device.
Since I prefer watching the news on a big screen I watch RT and all the rest on an android box that sits between my home network and the TV.
These censorship derps are never gonna get the genie back in the bottle.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 13 2018 7:01 utc | 55

@ somebody | 56
Good comment!
Just like “usury”, “predatory bankers” is a code word for jews
Last year I flew down from NYC to observe that Charlottesville, Va “Unite the Right” protest and I’ve never seen such a pathetic bunch of losers.
If I had to guess, I’d say the average net worth of one of those trailer park nazis was around $500 (yes, that’s five hundred dollars!) and I’m probably giving them way too much credit….LMAO!
Meanwhile, the lowest paid partner at Goldman Sachs earns $900,000 a year, not counting bonuses
And yet, the media and at least 50 percent of the country spent the last year attacking these trailer park nazi losers, and they’re STILL doing it…LMAO
As Jay Gould once said: “I can hire one-half the working class to kill the other half.”
While writing this, it occurs to me that I’ve forgotten who I had lunch with yesterday, and even more important, where.
I remember it was one of the partners, and we were at 10 Columbus Cir, 4th Floor at the Time Warner Center, but did we eat the Prix Fixe at Masa for $585 or did we have the prix fixe at Per Se for $325 per person?

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13 2018 10:25 utc | 57

Post 40
“I’m with you Norwegian. Same tunnel, different times.”
Edit for my post 58.
There are 4 identical “alleyways”. The 5th is wider, presumably for assisted passengers, wheelchair bound for example or bed bound medical passengers.

Posted by: OhOh | Sep 13 2018 10:45 utc | 59

@40 sejomoje: “I’m with you Norwegian. Same tunnel, different times.”
Yes, and now we have proof that this interpretation is correct. See their interview now on RT: https://www.rt.com/news/438350-petrov-boshirov-interview-simonyan/
I added bold in the quote below:
—
The RT editor-in-chief also touched upon the most puzzling picture of the two, the photo from the Gatwick airport.
“Here is the picture that puzzled the whole world, Gatwick airport, you are leaving through a gate literally in the same times, almost the same second. How did it happen?” she asked.
“We always go together through the same corridor and the same custom service officer or a policeman. One goes, the other waits. We went through the corridor together, we always [do it] together. How did it happen? It’s better to ask them [UK police],” Boshirov replied.
—
So they went through the same corridor just like I demonstrated in https://postimg.cc/image/pw7t667ch/ . This means the UK police manipulated the images, i.e. fabricated the evidence. Very interesting to have this confirmed directly….

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2018 11:15 utc | 61

somebody @56

People have the power. They just don’t use it…And if people prefer to sit in front of a computer screen to talking to and helping their neighbours, the “glue of society” and the basis for collective action dissolves.

People have the power to be used by the tyrant or used by the oligarchs as per Plato’s
Republic. If the people are lucky, they get a leader like Jose Marie Morelos, if not,
they end up getting the short end of the stick whether they would stick their necks out
or not. I don’t disagree with the cited statement. No. Traditional people are also guilty
of being seduced by the emanations of USA commercial culture. What are these good folks
expected to do? to have no celular phone chats? …to never learn to play digital Solitaire?

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 13 2018 13:37 utc | 63

Skripal Poisoning “Suspects” Tell Sputnik, RT Editor-in-Chief They’re Not Agents:
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201809131067995758-skripal-photos-petrov-boshirov/
Turns out they are not fictitious names, but just common tourists. They spent only some hours in Salisbury.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13 2018 14:08 utc | 65

Wagner’s opera Das Rhinegold is a profound meditation on the metaphysical roots of capitalism.
In Wagner’s preliminary opera, Alberich gives up the mined gold to Wotan, but is not worried as he reasons that he can always “get more where that came from” since he possesses the Ring of power, forged from the stolen Rhine gold.
The Ring is the means by which the evil dwarf commands the labor of those mining the earth’s gold.
Unfortunately for him, his plans are thwarted by Loge and Wotan, even as the latter is forced to offer up the ring to the Giants in order to pay his contractual debt to them.
On the other hand, in Gotterdammerung, Alberich only appears as a spirit within his son, Hagen’s, dream. By this time Alberich neither possesses the hitherto mined gold, nor the gold ring of power he stole from the Rhinemaidens.
In fact, at the end of the opera, the Rhinegold/ring is returned to the Rhine nixies. They, in turn, swiftly murder the half-breed human/dwarf Hagen.
Presumably, these water nymphs then hide their gold better than before, in order to keep it safer from the Nibelung

Posted by: anon | Sep 13 2018 14:38 utc | 67

Re: Posted by: dh | Sep 13, 2018 10:38:16 AM | 66
Their story is completely crazy. They go on a 24/36 hour round-trip from Moscow to Gatwick-Salisbury-Heathrow-Moscow to see the Salisbury cathedral?
Huh?
No way.
The Salisbury cathedral has a 123m spire. Does it? Exactly that height? Seems awfully specific to know a detail like that. Being awfully specific about minute details is one of the “tells” for those engaged in lying.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 13 2018 15:32 utc | 69

OK, I’ve just watched the interview with Petrov and Boshirov, and it’s a disaster. I’m a Russian living in Russia, and I have defended Russia from the very start of this affair, because there were so many inconsistencies, because the UK rushed to conclusions without having a proper investigation, because it made zero sense for Russia to make an attempt on Skripal’s life, etc.
Now I don’t know what to think. The guys are clearly lying. They are as unconvincing as they could possibly be. Clearly not good liars. It’s comical, the way Boshirov explains the purpose of their visit to Salisbury. Turns out, there’s a famous cathedral there! Don’t you know about it? It’s called, it’s called… Boshirov then blanks, trying to remember the name of the supposedly amazing cathedral that was the whole point of their visit to Salisbury. I mean, c’mon!
What are we to make of it? Honestly, I’m at the point where I’m ready to believe the UK government on this one. There is a slight hope, however, that these guys are indeed Russian agents, yet were somehow set up by MI6. Here’s how it could have played out:
1) The Russians were trying to get as much information as possible about Christopher Steele because of the infamous dossier. They start traveling Europe roughly at the time of Trump’s victory and the accusations that followed. Makes sense.
2) After lots of meetings with sources all over the Europe, they finally identify the Steele-Miller-Skripal connection.
3) They somehow contact Skripal and ask him for a meeting. Skripal tentatively agrees. Then, being a loyal MI6 agent, immediately reports the conversation to his handler Pablo Miller.
4) The higher-ups at MI6 decide to use this opportunity to frame the Russian agents for attempted murder.
5) Skripal is told of the plan. He sets up a meeting with Petrov and Boshirov. Worried that the ensuing international scandal will result in him never seeing his daughter again, he asks her to come to Salisbury. This explains why Yulia and the agents arrived at the same time.
6) Petrov and Boshirov arrive at Skripal’s house for the meeting, but no one’s home. After ringing the bell and knocking on the door a couple of times, they decide to leave.

Posted by: S | Sep 13 2018 16:25 utc | 71

@71 S. How I wish my english was as good as yours.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 13 2018 16:55 utc | 73

A Strange Alibi is Craig Murray’s take, and he makes excellent points. They are innocent and the UK is still without any evidence of proof for its outrageous allegations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2018 17:51 utc | 75

@ Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 12:25:53 PM | 71
This “a little bit of snow” theory is the weakest possible. British train is famous for its inneficiency. They spent only a few hours in Salisbury. It also explains why they went to a cheap hotel.

Posted by: vk | Sep 13 2018 18:47 utc | 77

@71 s… your outline is conceivable… thanks for painting that particular scenario.. it is one of many possibilities here..
@72 dh… fair enough! sounds like @75 karlof1 link to craig murray is taking a similar view as i am here.. i have yet to read his article…

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2018 18:59 utc | 79

Reading the transcripts of the interview made me think they are British agents. They certainly didnt do themselves any favors, which was probably the point .
Also RT never asked and they never said anything about being contacted by Russian authorities. Anyone believe no contact after the story broke is possible?
Also you would think they would bring their photos taken as tourists to make their point. Definitely does not pass the sniff test IMO.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 13 2018 19:20 utc | 81

South Carolina is already doing good and is the first state that’s considering laws that would make it illegal to criticize Israel.
So this Hurricane …
Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13, 2018 3:17:58 PM | 80
… shows that South Carolina could (and should) do even better, hence Wrath of God slamming the shores.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 13 2018 19:29 utc | 83

@81 pft.. see carld’s comment @39 on the turkey thread from today..
@83 piotr.. lol! good one… i think avner has been into the barb-q pork!
@84 karlof1… thanks for that overview..

Posted by: james | Sep 13 2018 19:40 utc | 85

@80 Right on Avner. Get those Carolinans re-educated.
And while you’re at it how about a stiff sentence for Eric Trump for improper use of ‘shekels’.

Posted by: dh | Sep 13 2018 19:59 utc | 87

@ dh 87
Bill Kristol, leader of the “Never Trump” movement summed it up best on Twitter: “Is Eric too stupid to know he’s being anti-Semitic?”
The improper use of the term shekels is the first step on a slippery slope
Look at Dean Irebodd (aka, dernierbud). First he claims he accidentally learned about revisionism in 2002/2003 and got fascinated by it.
Then he started asking questions. Big mistake. Next he started talking about the so-called “inhumane persecution of revisionist scholars” (meaning holocaust deniers) in Europe and this stimulated him to become active and make a documentary 4 hour documentary film that would’ve gotten him a long prison sentence in almost any European country
And he should be in prison, but first the US needs to make holocaust denial a crime punishable by a long prison sentence

Posted by: Avner Cohen | Sep 13 2018 20:46 utc | 89

Another insightfull article of the Sputnik about aliens, this time about strange observatories and stranger things in the US, reminding us that “There is More Than Meets The Eye” in “scientific” installations or other similar places:
FBI Closing Down Solar Observatory, Spawns Alien Conspiracy Theories – Reports.
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201809131068011739-observatory-closure-aliens-theories/

The speed with which the US federal agency descended on the facility has led some people to believe that maybe the scientists there have stumbled upon something related to space aliens.
A new theory has emerged concerning why the FBI swooped upon the Sunspot Observatory in New Mexico’s Sacramento Mountains, The Independent reported.
According to the newspaper, this development, along with the observatory’s usual field of studies, led a number of people on the internet to wonder whether scientists might’ve seen something they shouldn’t have, with “one prominent YouTube channel” speculating that the observatory accidentally spotted an alien craft.

Now on another note my personal findings on the internet suggested that American military transport flights especially from Germany to Greecehave been harrased at least 15 different times upon them entering Greek airspace, for some reason the aliens preffer the flights that are ussualy landing on the Eleusis airport and continue through to Crete for the American base staged there. These are at least the known and officialy reported situations from local civilian control tower personel.
Americans however do not give up easily:
American Military:
http://www.zougla.gr/greece/article/epektasi-stratiotikis-parousias-stin-elada-vlepoun-i-ipa
(Originally in Greek. Scroll down for English version)
MOAR Muricans in Greece!

Posted by: Greece | Sep 13 2018 21:12 utc | 91

Posted by: S | Sep 13, 2018 12:25:53 PM | 71
Sigh.
It is as plain and obvious as it could be.
They obviously went to London to enjoy themselves. Usually that happens in the evenings. And a lot of people don’t really like to explain how they do it.
They had some time to spare during the day and went sightseeing. They already knew London sights. Friends had told them to see Salisbury.
CCTV is hell for privacy.
A major point – if the Russians had had to suspect that the British had CCTV of the two in front of Skripal’s house they would not have put Putin’s authority behind this.
They must be pretty sure that there is no evidence implicating the two.
And Scripal’s house had CCTV for sure.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 13 2018 21:58 utc | 93

More on censorship. Sharmine Narwani recommends the linked RT article, which has this lead:
“Like all foreign policy and military think tanks, the Atlantic Council exists to manufacture consent for the goals of its paymasters. It hit the jackpot when the world’s largest social media network put it in charge of censorship.”
IMO, within the Outlaw US Empire, the current Censorship Crisis is far worse than the McCarthyism of the 1950s, although it has yet to degenerate to congressional hearings. From the end of The Saker item above:
“You tell me: which is worse, the absence of freedom or the illusion of freedom?” [Emphasis in original]

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2018 22:55 utc | 95

@ Posted by: somebody | Sep 13, 2018 5:58:07 PM | 93
The only part that looked fake in the interview was when they refused to say which was their business (like what is the name of their business — every marketing is good marketing after all). From there, they were very vague on the places they travel. They also refused to reveal if they are a gay couple or just friends.
But that is also easily explainable: they work for the Eurasian Mafia. They travel to the European Peninsula under “business and fun”, when they are actually doing mafia stuff.
This, obviously, doesn’t involve the Kremlin: you can’t blame the deeds of criminal organizations (which are private business) on the Nation-State is is HQd — unless you’re George W. Bush in Afghanistan. If you don’t demonstrate the Eurasian Mafia and the Kremlin are interconnected to the point one is undistinguishable from the other, you can’t blame Russia the nation for what two random private tourists do.

Posted by: vk | Sep 14 2018 0:02 utc | 97

Karlof1@94
Most of the censorship in US books take place at the publishing side. Books just dont get published or distributed if you cross a line into forbidden territory. Some smaller publishers may do it and sell direct to customer online but you have to know about the book first to find it.
Amazon tends to limit censorship to holocaust denial. Books that have “forbidden” content may still be available but via 3rd party sellers, higher prices and limited kindle availability , presumably to discourage sales , but thats just my guess. They also go out of print earlier.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 14 2018 1:06 utc | 99