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September 15, 2018

The Dike Breaks - Netherland Ends Support For "White Helmets" Terrorist Propaganda

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The Netherland just announced that it is ending its support for al-Qaeda's propaganda gang, the "White Helmets". It also ends its support for the so called Free Syrian Police. Last week the Netherlands shut down its "non lethal" support for the Free Syrian Army after Dutch news organizations found that members of these groups were accused of terrorism by their General Prosecutor.

According to the Volkskrant daily (in Dutch), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ended the support for the White Helmets after its Directorate for International Research and Policy Evaluation issued a critical report about them. For the White Helmets, which had received €12.5 million from the Dutch government, it lists the following issues:

  • According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the supervision of the behavior of the rescue workers is 'inadequate'. The organization that supervises, Mayday, based in the Netherlands, is closely intertwined with the White Helmets itself. In practice, donors do not understand the difference between the two organizations.
  • Mayday wants to spend a maximum of 0.9% of its budget on supervision of the work of the White Helmets. 'That is why there is a lack of independent supervision of the activities and results of the project.'
  • The money for the White Helmets is transferred to the Syrian border in cash or enters the country via the hawala system. It is 'problematic' that Mayday does not know how much money is paid via which route. That is why there is a danger that money has fallen into the hands of armed groups. The cash flow can also indirectly be used for illegal trade. Systematic control of the money flow is missing.
  • The White Helmets are active in areas where armed groups are in power that are considered 'unacceptable' for the Netherlands. Contact between the White Helmets and local administrators who work together with extremist organizations is inevitable.

The seemingly intentional lack of transparency practically guarantees that much of the more than $150 million the White Helmets received from various governments will have flown into the private pockets of the people who organize the scam.

This blog published several pieces about the White Helmets, mostly pointing out their obviously faked media productions:

For background information on the White Helmets the earlier pieces by Vanessa Beeley's at 21stCenturyWire´are still the best: Syria’s White Helmets: War by Way of Deception – Part I and Part II – Syria’s White Helmets: ‘Moderate Executioners’.

Vanessa Beeley, Eva Barlett (vid) and others have tried for years to point out the nefarious scheme behind the propaganda scam "White Helmets". Roger Waters rightly calls them (vid) a "fake propaganda construct for terrorists". But 'western' media loved the dramatic fake photos and videos the White Helmets produced, partly because they could put them into print and on screen free of any charge. Whoever criticized them and questioned their narratives was publicly smeared and derided.

The Volkkrant notes:

It is the first time that a Western government states that there are problems with the project.

It will not be the last time. More people will take note, look into the issue and pressure their governments to end their support. As the Dutch know well, once the dikes break it is impossible to stop the flood. The relentless work of a few engaged writers put pressure onto the dike and finally broke it. The White Helmet scam will soon come under a flood of public scrutiny and will be swept away into some dark corner of history.

Just a month ago Germany's Foreign Minister Maas, also known as a "well styled NATO call boy", met the White Helmets front man Raed al-Saleh, who was denied entry into the U.S., and promised him more money. Maas also lauded the recent 'evacuation of White Helmets' from the Quneitra and Daraa area to Israel which was just another scam. Israel used the White Helmet cover to evacuated a number of terrorists commanders it had paid and equipped for years in its war on Syria.

Maas and his NATO colleagues in other countries will soon be asked about the Dutch example. Can they refute the analysis the Foreign Ministry of their NATO ally Netherland made? Can Maas explain what happened with the €17 million Germany gave to them? In who's pocket did they end up?


Update (Sep 16, 5:30 utc):

The Netherlands also ends its participation in the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS:

Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16 fighter jets will be pulled out of the mission against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria at the end of the year, the Dutch government said Friday, September 14.

“Cabinet has decided not to prolong the use of F-16s in the fight against IS past December 31,” the Dutch cabinet said in a statement on Friday.

Some 80 Dutch troops will continue to provide training for the Iraqi army.


Update (Sep 16, 9:10 utc):

The publishing note from the Foreign Ministry on the report discussed above is available in Dutch language. There is a cover letter (pdf) from the Directorate for International Research and Policy Evaluation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, also in Dutch. It describes the programs the Netherland contributed to (machine translation):

Since the start of the conflict, the Netherlands has spent more than EUR 70 million in stabilization support in Syria, in consultation with many like-minded international partners and donors. The programs aimed to contribute to some degree of liveability in the opposition area and the prevention of further refugee flows, new power facets and the influence of extremists. This support took place within the complex and fluid context of the Syrian war, during which the situation on the ground has changed drastically in seven years. The Cabinet has informed the House about contributions to the projects. Including the significant contributions to the non-lethal assistance program (NLA), White Helmets, and Access to Justice and Community Security (AJACS) program from 2015.

The evaluation report itself is in English: Review of the monitoring systems of three projects in Syria AJACS, White Helmets and NLA (pdf).

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Posted by b on September 15, 2018 at 03:30 PM | Permalink

Comments

Its an awesome ongoing scam that funnelled good money after bad, from west to east, and then went on to win an Oscar...in the information age would you believe...hidden in broad daylight, inside the dominant narrative.

Did someone from this commentariat mention in a previous thread that someone is building a database of videos of the Syrian conflict...? A good idea. The systematic silencing of voices has just begun.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Sep 15, 2018 3:44:27 PM | 1

Nicely done b! This is what real journalism looks like world.

It is encouraging to read that Netherland is showing some moral backbone against the blatant propaganda of failing empire.

May the floodwaters of truth drown the originators of lies and deceit.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15, 2018 3:48:57 PM | 2

RT just reported that now chlorine has been delivered to the militants in Syria.
One wonders if this little crack in the solid front might now throw a monkey wrench in their cinematographic projects.

Posted by: bjd | Sep 15, 2018 3:55:53 PM | 3

I'm from Holland and actually very surprised: never expected Holland to stop funding "Syrian projects" just like that...Still too late and much harm is done already, but nevertheless happy to hear this. Not 100% sure though if Holland stopped all funding of FSA groups

Posted by: SL | Sep 15, 2018 3:56:48 PM | 4

Well, this is a nice little ray of sunshine!

Perhaps it will inspire Dutch authorities to collectively "examine their conscience", and admit to cooking up the bogus MH-17 report that framed Russia or "pro-Russian" forces as the culprits who shot down the aircraft.

There's no connection, but somehow this resonates with the mildly surprising news that a WADA committee recommends reinstating the "non-compliant" Russian anti-doping agency, RUSADA. It's not a done deal yet, since apparently WADA insists that RUSADA officials validate WADA's show trial by confessing to its alleged crimes despite RUSADA's claims of innocence -- but it's promising news.

Is this the first stirrings of an "EU Spring?" ;)

Posted by: Ort | Sep 15, 2018 3:58:24 PM | 5

HOW WE EXPOSED THE WHITE HELMETS

My friend Vanessa Beeley has been most effective in promoting the fact that the White Helmets are closely linked to al-Qaeda terrorists, but I too must claim some of the credit for exposing the White Helmets. The fact that still needs more exposure is that the White Helmets actually kill children for their fake propaganda videos.

This is what I wrote on the issue two years ago, quoting from the original discussion on ACLOS in March 2015:

Al-Qaeda's propaganda wing the #WhiteHelmets did not win this year's Nobel Peace Prize, despite the massive propaganda campaign by Western sponsors of terror. The prize would have been vital if the United States were to attack Syria in support of their proxy terrorists. I am not at all sure the Norwegian Nobel Committee can act independently. They will serve the Empire's interests when pushed to. Crucial to the outcome may have been the effort to expose the White Helmets and their war propaganda. I will link bellow to some of the people who have been most vocal in bringing the truth out.

This is the discussion that first brought the White Helmets to my attention. ACLOS was working on solving the Sarmeen gas attack hoax of March 2015. I believe the White Helmets are involved in actually murdering people to produce their propaganda for war. The photo above may show one of their victims.

Al-Nusra Font (Jabhat al-Nusra) is the official franchise of al-Qaeda in Syria and works closely with the White Helmets.

Petri Krohn - 27 March 2015 (03:21 UTC)
- The same original content from the first attack has been distributed on YouTube with two different logos. One logo is the al-Nusra logo that is also seen in these three videos distributed by Coordinating Srmin. The other logo is blue and yellow and is also seen on the ambulance and the back of the medic. This means that the Coordinating Committee, al-Nusra, and the ambulance team and their propagandists are all tied closely together. This calls into question the neutrality of the reporting and the videos.

Charles Wood - 27 March 2015 (03:31 UTC)
- I've seen a group calling themselves "White Helmets" who are active on twitter and have some link to the alleged gas attack videos. I think they are Civil Defence? Or at least say they are. Links to Jabhat al-Nusra tends to say they aren't neutral.

Petri Krohn - 2 April 2015 (02:23 UTC)
- The White Helmets claim to be a civil defense force specializing in digging up victims from bombed out buildings. They may in fact be a US State Department funded infowar operation for intervention and a war of aggression in the name of a "No-Fly Zone" to protect civilians.

Caustic Logic (Adam Larson) - 2 April 2015 (12:58 UTC)
- Here's their site: https://www.whitehelmets.org/ Good news, they're "unarmed and neutral." Their issue is barrel bombs, often filled with chlorine, and they don't mention the weird type of chlorine with unusual symptoms... and how there's a neutral need for a "no fly zone." Linked to by an activist video compilation I left a helpful comment at (if it remains)

Oh, and it specifies "the Syrian Civil Defence - known as the White Helmets." They're the ones with the blue and yellow logos, and I presume the black-and-yellow blankets. Maybe they're like a new non-neutral replacement for the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, who continue cooperating with the government and won't even need to try operating in areas like this. I wonder if there are any issue with the SARC that would lead to such a replacement plan?

Charles Wood - 2 April 2015 (23:47 UTC)
- Their website looks like it came out of some smart New York or London Advertising Agency. In fact it did. It's an obvious branding exercise using the iconic white helmet as the easy to remember visual key.

I've done some basic snooping and it's associated with The Syria Campaign. I guess the idea is to move up Google rank by cross-linking the sites.

'white helmets' itself is a product of 'Purpose' a Brooklyn based organisation with offices in London and Rio de Janeiro. Their 'Team' shows what they are - an upmarket media communications company. The Purpose Team

Certainly no Syrians were involved in creating the White Helmets!

Source: http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:White_Helmets

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 15, 2018 4:32:29 PM | 6

@Petri - didn't know you were with the first to notice them. Well done!

Posted by: b | Sep 15, 2018 4:40:57 PM | 7

Aaah, looks like I have been beaten by Ort in the hope that this new Dutch disease of honesty and transparency might soon spread to the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team's enquiry into the MH17 shoot-down and the reports it has issued, leading to the admission by the Dutch that from the very start they botched the investigation and allowed the Ukrainian SFB on the team to dictate the terms under which the investigation would proceed.

The Dutch also never admitted that a conflict of interest was present in their leadership of the team: that conflict being the fact that MH17 set off from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AAS), itself the site of a previous incident in 2009 when the Underpants Bomber boarded a jet bound for Detroit and tried to detonate his bomb in mid-air. Any possibility that AAS itself should have been part of the investigation was likely nixed.

It would be too much to hope that the Dutch will do the right thing, admit their dismal leadership and conflict of interest, and remove themselves from the investigation, and that the Australians on the team might also resign, since they've also allowed the Ukrainians to push them around.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 15, 2018 4:47:33 PM | 8

I quote: 'It is encouraging to read that Netherland is showing some moral backbone against the blatant propaganda of failing empire.' as a senior Dutch journalist I have to temper your enthousiasm. the dutch mainstream-media knew about this since at least 2013, but preferred to keep silent about this. the msm in the netherlands are just as corrupt as in the USA and the UK, as I have been pointing out on my weblog for many years now.

Posted by: stan van houcke | Sep 15, 2018 4:52:45 PM | 9

Charles Lister at one point list consultant to a marketing and product management company in Doha. I forget the name now but looked them up at the time. Had very professional looking website and specialized in that sort of work according to their blurbs. Run onto a few others in that part of the world as well. Both ISIS and white helmets have been marketed with the help of snuff movies.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 15, 2018 5:00:33 PM | 10

Love to see this story here in the U$A, but alas, probably never happen..

Posted by: ben | Sep 15, 2018 5:26:16 PM | 11

The Shaikh Group based in Dubai rather than Doha is the company Lister was involved with.
Their marketing website here http://theshaikhgroup.ae

And anther Shaikh Group website here - this time saying they are based in Cyprus. https://shaikhgroup.org/about_the_shaikh_group/
"The Shaikh Group (TSG) is a political consultancy focused on the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. Our mission is to facilitate dialogue with the peoples of the region and between states in the region, as well as with key international actors. TSG aims to advance practical initiatives that promote peace, tolerance, mutual security, and shared economic prosperity."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 15, 2018 5:33:41 PM | 12

thanks b.. great coverage on a positive development and kudos to @6 petri as well.. thanks for continuing to shine a light on this..
all the comments are very helpful and informative. thank you..

Posted by: james | Sep 15, 2018 5:38:14 PM | 13

I first noted a whiff of bullshit on May 7, 2015. You don't have to be a super-sleuth to detect the smell of excrement. You just need to read the newspaper with a skeptical eye:

In "Syria Is Using Chemical Weapons Again, Rescue Workers Say" Anne Barnard and Somini Sengupta earn their pay as propagandists for the USG by filing another fallacious story about Syria's use of chemical weapons; fallacious because it is sourced to a "civilian defense" NGO called White Helmets. An inspection of the group's web site -- Barrel Bombs! -- linked to in the Barnard-Sengupta article, leaves one with the distinct impression that it is a CIA front. The allegations of White Helmets are then amplified by USG officials. This is the old familiar propaganda pattern. You have an "Astro-Turf" organization, an ersatz citizen group of some sort that has been mocked up by a foreign intelligence agency, make a specious charge, and then that charge is taken up by the United States in the United Nations Security Council

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Sep 15, 2018 6:04:56 PM | 14

@Stan van Houcke (9) I'm dutch too and totally agree. The Dutch media, especially Nieuwsuur and Volkskrant lost all its credibility. Only fools will take any of their information serious. This is getting ever more worse and I don't expect any change in that.
These revelations should have come much earlier. They might have expected the information to come to the public anyhow, which made them decide to pretend some investigative journalism. In the meanwhile they brainwash us by repeating false news on Syria, on Venezuela, on Nicaragua, and so on....
The same for the notorious Dutch investigations. It's all false, to name some of them: The 2011 comodo/diginotar CA hack research (blaming Iran), the 2014 MH17 research (blaming Russia), the januari 2018 invented 'evidence' for the DNC-hack (blaming Russia).....

Posted by: iano | Sep 15, 2018 6:11:03 PM | 15

@iano (15)
They didn't realize that them going public with that last one had an implied admittance that they themselves hack into Russian systems (for what it's worth of course -- I personally don't believe one iota of that story).

Posted by: bjd | Sep 15, 2018 6:30:54 PM | 16

Will the dike breaking cause Germany not to send troops to Syria? Will we read about the crime the Zionist Abomination tried to commit by attacking Syria's International Fair?

I'd be remiss not to thank Petri Krohn for his efforts! We just need several million more dedicated souls like his so we can overthrow BigLie Media, which is a Hydra infecting most every nation.

When looked at uncompromisingly, the support by governments for terrorists--which existed prior to and has greatly escalated since the end of WW2--assaults every person on the planet--not just the people under the terrorist's guns. Instead of promoting wellbeing, violence and war is promoted and praised! And BigLie Media works overtime to manufacture consent for policies antithetical to the public good.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 6:54:07 PM | 17

White helmets, by the sound of it, sounds like something cooked up in London. Just another in a very long line. A very well-connected Arab friend says if you want something cooked up you go to London not Washington.

While the concept of false flags is becoming almost mainstream I have been researching “projects that were built to fail.” So far I have found Gallipoli in 1915 and the Bay of Pigs and possibly the choice of Haig as top man in WW1 – the Brits wanted as inefficient a general as possible so the war could continue. My attention got distracted by a very brilliant Australian general who arrived in Gallipoli and then went on to the Western Front. John Monash had 3 problems: he was an Aussie so a “native,” his parents were German and they were Jewish. Monash created the blueprint of the “blitzkrieg.” In the Battle of Hamel in July 1918 he used tanks to shield troops, he used aircraft to spot artillery and drop fresh munitions and hot food onto the battlefield and a whole host of other innovations. A talented musician he envisioned his plan as an orchestral piece. The battle was won in 93 minutes. What is interesting is that the two most prominent Aussie journalists, C. Bean and Keith Murdoch (father of the demonic Rupert) were antisemitic and lobbied the Australian PM of the time to get rid of Monash, calling him a “pushy Jew.” On the contrary, Monash was just a brilliant man who cared very much for his troops.

Jim MacGregor and Gerry Doherty are doing amazing work on the origins and the conduct of WWI.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 15, 2018 7:02:29 PM | 18

@ karlof1 who wrote: "When looked at uncompromisingly, the support by governments for terrorists--which existed prior to and has greatly escalated since the end of WW2--assaults every person on the planet--not just the people under the terrorist's guns."

When you write government I assume US empire. The support by them for terrorists is just another facet, along with the military, NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. of paying as many and varied as needed to control or eliminate the rest of us.

Will the number ever get to paying 1/2 of the population in the old adage reflecting the hubris of this social structure under the God of Mammon?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15, 2018 7:07:40 PM | 19

@ 19 When you write government I assume US empire

It has never has been the US empire. It has been the British/Jewish bankers/US empire.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 15, 2018 7:22:05 PM | 20

Lochern @18--

Interesting premise, "built to fail." Perhaps the assumptions those projects were based on were grossly incorrect causing them to fail. Monash performed the #1 rule of the general line officer: do the utmost to protect your troops and provide them with the tools to achieve victory--such was not the performance of most WW1 general line officers on either side.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 7:28:40 PM | 21

@21 google Gallipoli: The Untold Story – ‘The first casualty of war is truth.’

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 15, 2018 7:38:26 PM | 22

@ Lochearn who is correcting my genealogical representation of empire

Yes, you are more correct than I. That said, does it go back even further to the founding of monotheistic religions? We are referring to social control by an elite in my mind more than the Jewish bankers part of your genealogy. I admit to the bankers part but see that bankers group as the encourage/control entity for the other monotheistic religions.

Has that system dynamic changed/evolved seriously since the Roman era? We have usury. We have inheritance. We have banking. The concept of private property evolved along with the mythical moral fig leaf of rule-of-law. We call it the Western form of "civilization".

Anyway, you are right and I lose track of how to communicate on what level.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15, 2018 7:51:52 PM | 23

@ Lochearn who is correcting my genealogical representation of empire

Yes, you are more correct than I. That said, does it go back even further to the founding of monotheistic religions? We are referring to social control by an elite in my mind more than the Jewish bankers part of your genealogy. I admit to the bankers part but see that bankers group as the encourage/control entity for the other monotheistic religions.

Has that system dynamic changed/evolved seriously since the Roman era? We have usury. We have inheritance. We have banking. The concept of private property evolved along with the mythical moral fig leaf of rule-of-law. We call it the Western form of "civilization".

Anyway, you are right and I lose track of how to communicate on what level.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15, 2018 7:51:53 PM | 24

I twitched, sorry

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15, 2018 7:52:40 PM | 25

@ 23 psychohistorian

I have huge respect for you but I like to wind you up now and again.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 15, 2018 7:56:16 PM | 26

Psycho Historian: I have been reading a Great Courses book on the history of the Achaemenid rmpire that ruled Persia and one interesting tidbit from my reading is that temples and their priests made loans to property (though turned did not accept deposits). So religious institutions got into the banking business early.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 15, 2018 8:01:37 PM | 27

Lochern @22--

I know all about Gallipoli and went to the battlefield. IMO, Churchill's premises about Turkish military ability were all wrong--grossly so as it was proven. Everything went wrong on top of that. As was the case on every WW1 battlefield, soldiers were wasted without any thought by the general line officers. The Aussies I shared the excursion to the battlefield with were very boisterous the night before, but very silent and reverent the next morning as we walked the ground where so many of their brethren were slaughtered without thought.

I recently watched a two-part video on the 75th anniversary of the Kursk victory followed by one about the battles for Crimea. 80% casualties was the norm for both sides! At times I find it difficult to reconcile my childhood play with little green plastic soldiers and the reality of war I learned later. I know I'm not alone. There was a massive effort by European and American publics during the 1920s & '30s to outlaw war, and they came very close to succeeding. Some say they did but were betrayed by their governments and associated "Liberty Leagues." What's important is that it was once done, so it can and must be done again.

Sorry for the harangue. I'm just pissed that Obama the Criminal is being given an "ethics in government" award by the University of Illinois when he ought to be in prison along with so many other members of governments past and present.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 8:08:57 PM | 28

@ karlof1

Please see my post at 22 and check it out.

Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 15, 2018 8:12:30 PM | 29

Jen @27--

In his talks about his upcoming book, Hudson has said that besides the Palace the Temples were the first sources of credit. But their relation to society then vastly differs from what evolved as both Palace and Temple become corrupted by greed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 8:13:22 PM | 30

Lochearn @18
What you say about Monash is very similar to what might be said about the Canadian General Arthur Currie who was equally unfashionable- an amateur in the militia not a professional soldier, and an Real Estate salesman.

I don't think that Haig was set up to fail but that the system in the Army was so class ridden that it took men from outside the system to introduce the flexibility and new ideas that were necessary to break the stalemate. Currie and Monash who essentially led the British Army in the hundred days that led to November 11 (following the near death experience of the March 1918 Offensive)also had the advantage that their troops were from countries where malnutrition and slum living conditions were not as general as they were in the UK.
Which meant that their troops were stronger, bigger, healthier than the British. Another factor was that the pre-war experiences of men living closer to the frontiers and land made them more able to adapt to the challenges of life in the trenches and more self reliant.
I forget the exact figures but there was a marked deterioration in the height and weight of recruits to the British Army between the end of the C18th and 1914. Thanks to capitalism.
Incidentally I think you are wrong about Jewish influence on the Empire. Although it is true that many sephardic Jews from Portugal via Amsterdam were active members of the London capitalist community they were a small minority. The Scots were probably much closer to being the most influential, non English, arbiters of Empire.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 15, 2018 8:34:27 PM | 31

OT!! Was going through my Twitter line-up and came upon one by Chinahand that provides a link to a trove of Soviet-era science texts that are now translated and freely available online!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 8:42:45 PM | 32

bevin, I live 2 blocks from a building named after Arthur Currie. I never knew his history before but I will look into it now. Thank you for the information.

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 15, 2018 8:47:38 PM | 33

bevin, I have two comments about your comment. Firstly, did you know that the average height of Americans is decreasing? Perhaps it's due to immigration. They used to rank 3rd tallest in the world in 1914 but now rank 37th. Also, I don't think the Scots were as powerful as you think they were. I only just found out today that slavery for Scottish colliers existed until a hundred years ago. I find it hard to believe that Scots would even be accepted into British high society with such prevailing attitudes.

http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/429.html

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 15, 2018 8:52:51 PM | 34

sorry, I didn't finish my thought about the decreasing height of American males. I was going to say that it may be due to immigration, but I think it's another symptom of rampant capitalism.

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 15, 2018 8:54:16 PM | 35

@ 27 Jen

So religious institutions got into the banking business early.

Achaemenids? I think this was rather late. IIRC temples in Ur, Sumer and Babylon were in the business long before the Achaemenid period.

However Ur, Sumer and Babylon also seem to have had a general debt amnesty about every 7 years. There was a sound political or economic rationale for this. Something about the idea that one was not supposed to grind the faces of the poor into the gravel, nor destroy the fabric of society.

The temples were the only organizations that had the administrative ability to do this. Temple, at least in Mesopotamia is a bit of a misnomer. As I understand it, the "temple" was the home of the god, the royal palace and the seat of the civil service all rolled into one.

You might find David Graeber's book Debt : The First 5,000 Years interesting. He discusses why the temples were in the money lending business. It's a rather fun read and comes in hard cover and completely free pdf.
https://libcom.org/files/__Debt__The_First_5_000_Years.pdf

did not accept deposits

I never thought of it, but yes of course. Given their functions they would not take deposits. They were loaning from state resources and did not need deposits. They would not have even understood the concept.

I am not sure if this applies during the Achaemenid period but it seems likely.

Posted by: jrkrideau | Sep 15, 2018 9:03:58 PM | 36

The Dutch have taken two shots against the official Anglo Zionist narrative on Syria within a week. Interesting.

I wonder if elements of the empire are now trying to stop the perverse leadership of FUKUS and their Israeli/neocon bosses so as to avoid a conflict with Russia and to let the Syrians end the jihadists in Idlib. Europe cannot have an AlQaida and other jihadist run Syria anymore than Russsia can. The jihadists will use idlib to plan ops against Europe. Europe would also suffer most from an armed a conflict with Russia.

Discrediting the white hatted phonies and the other jihadists in Syria certainly helps Assad, Russia and Iran.

Posted by: Alaric | Sep 15, 2018 9:14:29 PM | 37

@ 35 Mischi

I think it's another symptom of rampant capitalism.

I think you have both. Rampant poverty and malnutrition (capitalism) plus more immigrants from Northern Hispanic countries and parts of Asia where mean stature is a bit less than the existing population (immigration)

Good luck on teasing out which is which.

Posted by: jrkrideau | Sep 15, 2018 9:15:24 PM | 38

Terrorists relocating to UK. People demand to know where and why!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15, 2018 9:40:46 PM | 39


Mischi@34


Its worse than just height decreasing. IQ, testosterone levels, life expectancy, fertility rates all declining

Capitalism is a tool of the followers of Jacob Frank, Bakunin and Malthus

Malthus believed in promoting premature death: disease, starvation, war, resulting in what is called a Malthusian catastrophe, which would return population to a lower, more “sustainable,” level. Among the policies promoted by Malthus were:

"Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague. In the country, we should build our villages near stagnant pools, and particularly encourage settlement in all marshy and unwholesome situations. But above all, we should reprobate speci c remedies for ravaging diseases; and those benevolent, but much mistaken men, who have thought they were doing a service to mankind by projecting schemes for the total extirpation of particular disorders."


Bakunin believed violence was necessary to purge the world of the old order to create the new. Every state thus became the enemy, and the enemy was attacked using terrorism and assassination. In his own words, Bakunin sought, “the unchaining of what is today called the evil passions and the destruction of what is called public order,” and made the declaration: “Let us put our trust in the eternal spirit which destroys and annihilates only because it is the unsearchable and eternally creative source of all life—the passion for destruction is also a creative passion".

And Frank taught the "holiness of sin" . The more radical Frankists sought nihilism,” and reversal of values, symbolized by the change of the thirty-six prohibitions of the Torah into positive commands. Evil is good and Good is Evil. The secret religion of the NWO philosopher kings (global elite)

Posted by: Pft | Sep 15, 2018 9:46:43 PM | 40

I have seen video of these men murdering children. The video of them 'treating victims' of a chemical attack were actually documentation of them murdering infants with two foot long stainless needles. They perforated the child's torso and minced his innards until his death and then distributed this video on the internet. God will have their souls.

Posted by: Josh | Sep 15, 2018 10:14:50 PM | 41

I believe that the ship of the rebels with the hidden islamist agenda is finallly about to sink. So now many countries are trying to disassociate from their fate.
The West is looking for a last minute face saving.
B is right, more rats will get out of the sinking ship.
Nobody wants to be on the side of the losers.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 15, 2018 10:28:08 PM | 42

Josh, indeed. I think that if ever I was in the presence of one of these politicans I would ask them if they have no concern about their soul. And, I am not even a religious person but I do believe that we have a spark of something divine, and to kill or to cause to kill wantonly the way these people do, is surely a way to destroy that.

Posted by: Mischi | Sep 15, 2018 10:30:37 PM | 43

karlof1 21

We celebrate a defeat in a war we should not have been fighting. We celebrate Gallipoli and make it a big thing yet the whole fucking war was the same thing. My grandfather spent a couple of years in France. Until a few years back I had thought he had only been there the last couple of weeks as he hadn't been wounded and never spoke of it. He tried enlisting in 1914, but did not meet physical requirements for the existing battalions. In early 1916 43rd battalion was formed for those that did not meet the physical requirements for other battalions.
It seems we will not stop fighting for anglo empire, no matter its British or American.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 15, 2018 10:59:52 PM | 44

@jrkideau. Correct and I would posit the Neo-Babylonian Empire, being a revival of the Akkad/Sumer days of old, is responsable for transmitting usury to the Exilarch and his priest caste, themselves progenitors of the future Court Jews..

Posted by: Lozion | Sep 15, 2018 11:10:38 PM | 45

That last post should have been karlof1 @28

The mad monk that stated we are part of the anglosphere and will remain that way wanted a big celebration for the 100th anniversary of Gallipoli. My sister got a bit enthused and wanted to know what the bit of copper was in the few things from our grandfather. Was easy enough to look up. The action was in Bean's - the war historians- notes.
44th and 43rd worked turn about one battalion in the trenches and one at the rear resting.
They decided to do two raids one night, both 44th and 43rd so the scouts went out before dark to find gaps in the wire. many were killed and the others pinned down at the wire by machine gun fire. at the allotted time, the artillery barrage came down on the wire where the surviving scouts were pinned down. Two of the scouts survived. Received a piece of copper the size of a one cent piece for their troubles. Well at least my grandfather did so I guess the other survivor got one too. The value of a mans life.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 15, 2018 11:33:14 PM | 46

Karlofi 1, psychohistorian, and many others on the WW1 subject:

You could try to find a copy of The Siege of Kurt
(sorry don't remember the author's name, nor the Coward British general in charge).

The garnison surrendered to the Ottomans.
On 15.000 brits prisoners half died during their march to POW camps, mostly from exhaustion and privation, some also from local tribes attacks.
The Coward General rided to Ankara in a caleche with personnal belonging, not caring one second for his troopers.
He got full honors.

Posted by: Charles Michael | Sep 15, 2018 11:51:05 PM | 47

Those who rule us are not like normal people. In their mind the only true value is the pursuit of their own gain over that of others. Nietzsche called it the “Triumph of the Will.” Concern for others is deemed as weakness. Influenced by Social Darwinism, the weak are expendable, and threaten the mans future evolution . Mastery over others through war and violence is perceived as courage. Ruthlessness is virtue. They are what Nietzsche calls Supermen. Most just call them elites. In Philips new book he calls them Giants-The Global Elite.

Transhumanism by David Livingstone is a worthy read. Its available for free on his site. Bit heavy if you havent read him before but these ideas held by the elite have been brewing and evolving for a long time and technology is allowing them to be executed

Posted by: Pft | Sep 16, 2018 12:30:49 AM | 48

Thank you b, for yet another good article!
Your article made me reflect the situation in general. While it is good the The White Frauds have been called out as an Empire front and as Western propaganda psy-op, I do thing the real Enemy is the MSM. These crimes by our governments, the White Frauds, Isil, ect,ect, would not be possible without the control of the MSM. But I am completely at a loss how to fight them, or just diminish their influence.
The Guardian s a blatant example, and its turnaround from "reasonable reliable" to "paid shill" was clumsily and obviously executed. Looking at the UK for real news , there is only the blogoshere left, all opposition has been subverted. And it is not only in the UK.
Another example is the Danish newspaper "Information" founded during WWII, as very leftist it has today morphed, in the dark, into a center right neo- liberal rag, full of no- news and idiotic scribbles by irrelevant formerly known peoples talent-less sons and daughters.
The situation in Sweden is even more depressing (it is!) the newspapers here are on level with the Sun and the Daily Heil.
Wel thanks b, for telling the truth and letting me start my Sunday moderately depressed, I guess news that Washington D.C had been swallowed by a giant sink-hole, would cheer me partly up.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Sep 16, 2018 12:47:49 AM | 49

Jkrideau @ 36: You are right, by the time the Achaemenids came to power, the practice whereby the temples and the priesthood lent money and charged interest on loans made to individuals, households and businesses had been long established in western Asia (Mesopotamia, the Levant and other parts that had been under Babylonian and previously Assyrian rule) and the Persians themselves allowed this practice to continue when they conquered the eastern Mediterranean region and Egypt.

Incidentally the book I am reading also mentions that the religious elites also owned land (for which they either had slaves or hired labour to work on) and workshops attached to temples to produce goods. Some of the money they lent out to people came from taxes that people paid (either to them directly or to the government which then distributed some of the money to the temples) or from tithes or donations.

From other reading I have done, including posts and articles by Michael Hudson, the Sumerian and Babylonian rulers periodically forgave debts incurred by individuals and households, especially if these were of the "odious debt" kind where the loan had been made to desperate borrowers or the lenders had scammed borrowers in some way. This debt forgiveness was not necessarily done out of compassion for others' suffering: the rulers realised they had to do this to preserve social stability and because they relied on working people for labour on state projects. People who owed money to usurious lenders could not be employed on government projects (such as building pyramids, building fortifications or following armies as cooks, blacksmiths or chariot-builders and wheel-makers). In empires where people also periodically had to work on such projects as a way of paying tax, wiping their borrowing status slates clean from time to time made sense.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 16, 2018 1:06:44 AM | 50

Peter Au 1 @ 10

Regarding snuff videos, I always wondered whether or not this operation overlapped:

US Gov Spent $500M For Al Qaeda Propaganda Videos

Posted by: guidoamm | Sep 16, 2018 1:07:32 AM | 51

Mischi @ 35

We must be careful with talking about "Capitalism"

We need a definition first. Then you will see that capitalism, does not exist anywhere on God's green earth.

Once you impose one medium of exchange AND, at the same time, you allow an arbitrary, unelected entity to impose a spurious price on said medium of exchange, Capitalism goes out of the window.

Posted by: guidoamm | Sep 16, 2018 1:19:27 AM | 52

Mischi @ 34, 35: I should think that teasing out immigration, malnutrition and the effect of corporate capitalism will be difficult as causes of declining average male heights among Americans. In the first place, migrants (especially illegal migrants) from Latin America and elsewhere are likely to come from the poorest socioeconomic strata in their societies and to have suffered from the combined effects of poverty (leading to poor diets short in protein), oppression and exploitation as individuals and communally.

Culture may play a part in determining people's height: pregnant women, babies and small children may be subject to all kinds of food taboos and these food taboos may prevent them from eating protein-rich food that would enable them to reach their full genetic potential as expressed in height and body type.

Incidentally the American Plains Indians were the tallest people in the world during the late 19th century, due to their diets and ways of life which among other things prevented some disease epidemics from spreading very far and which emphasised care for their most disadvantaged members:
https://news.osu.edu/standing-tall-plains-indians-enjoyed-height-health-advantage/

While it's true that American Indians including the Plains Indians did suffer from smallpox epidemics, the worst affected were those who were mostly or partly sedentary like the Mandan and the Hidatsa.

Incidentally being taller isn't necessarily a good thing: increases in height among men and women have been positively correlated with increases in prostate cancer, breast cancer and ovarian cancer. Again, diet may have something to do with those connections.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 16, 2018 1:36:34 AM | 53

While some countries may be trying to get off the sinking ship called ""Assad must go", Israel is doing what Israel does best, flout international law and launch another attack on Syria. What makes this attack particularly dangerous is that it attacked Damascus International airport and environs. Currently the 63rd Damascus International Fair is taking place near the airport. A total disregard for civilians. A shot over the bow of those nations that wish to invest in Syria. Some Syrian civilians don't count for much, especially in the eyes of FUKUS. They just need to be liberated from the baby killer Assad to share in all the freedoms available in Idlib. Not to worry, Nikki Haley will rise to the occasion in defence of that other indispensable nation.

#31 The Germans called the Canadian Corp Stormtroopers. My grandfathers brother fought at Passchendaele and was gassed by the Germans. He suffered from that for the rest of his life until he died in 1972.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 16, 2018 2:02:48 AM | 54

If it were only so easy to get rid of the White helmets.

The Torah part of the Bible in the Old Testament had debt forgiveness built in every 7 years and one was no to lend money with interest to the poor. They could receive only no interest loans. After 7 cycles of 7 years a year of Jubilee was proclaimed where all indebtedness was forgiven and all slaves and other forms of bondage were freed.

Of course the Hebrews got around this by creating the Talmud, Shofar, and the Kabbala. It was after this they became know as Jews as the unified monarchy was destroyed and only Judah was left because of their avoidance of the original laws. It is no surprise the Zionist Evangelicals and other Christians ignored these precepts as well. The Catholics were a law unto themselves selling indulgences to pay for sin among other garbage.

I wonder what the boom and bust business cycles would look like if we kept these laws? One does not have to wonder too much why the Bible ends describing the almost total destruction of the planet with what reads a lot like nuclear war.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 16, 2018 2:14:16 AM | 55

The White Helmets as a brand had their website first registered by Ali Weiner of Purpose Inc (Brooklyn advertising agency) on 2014-08-11T19:50:31Z

I had noticed their activity shortly after that date but it wasn't labelled White Helmets as such. I recall a series of setpiece rescues with someone who looked like Hadi Alabdullah giving a running comment and speeches denouncing Assad.

The setpiece rescues always had a small diesel fire and usually some white smoke, a bunch of rescuers who ran into the building while the commenter gave a speech, and then rescuers ran the rescued infants past the camera while the narrator gave a 'moral' speech.

Posted by: Charles Wood | Sep 16, 2018 2:19:48 AM | 56

I’m from The Netherlands also …

Thx b for your in depth analysis!

The Dutch story is not so much about the White Helmets as it is about support for Al Qaeda linked groups. Two groups mentioned in Nieuwsuur were Jabhat al-Shamiya and the Sultan Murad Brigade. The Dutch took a pick from a long list of Assad “opposition” fighters provided by the CIA. The blinded political support for the US by top Dutch political leadership has been clear since the support for the Iraq bombardment and invasion by the US/UK military in 2003. The Dutch Christian (?) Democrats were led by PM Balkenende and FM Jaap de Hoop Scheffer. Jaap was rewarded with the job as Secretary General of NATO and did such a wonderful job on expansion to the border with Russia. Looking back he is sorry - "The West should respect the red lines of Russia."

In latest twist of events, PM Mark “the Conservative Atlanticus” Rutte has declared all information about the Dutch support for terror groups in Syria a “state secret” not to be divulged by parliament and the media. Sounds very much like Birma’s Aung San Suu Kyi who defends the arrest and conviction of two Reuters journalist on the British 1919 State Secrecy Act.

The Netherlands with its capitol The Hague has been the center for International Law ever since Carnegie’s Peace Palace. The ICC has a prominent place in a new complex of buildings in The Hague and is under full attack by ally the US in name of John Bolton … a great friend, no?

The Dutch have come forward with a report by Wilibrord Davids on the legality of participating in the Iraq War. The ruling was a devastating blow to the Dutch as it was illegal under International Law. The politicians adopted a policy that all future support on intervention would be reviewed by an International Law expert. In this case that would have been André Nollkaemper – Dean and Professor of Public International Law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Amsterdam. Of course he was not consulted by PM Mark Rutte of MH17 fame.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 16, 2018 3:12:10 AM | 57

By the time Dutch involvement in the coup in the Ukraine, the support for neo-nazi's and corrupt olichargs who want to kill the population in Donetsk/Lugansk and further the NATO agenda and the absurd deal with the Ukraine about the MH17 investigation are exposed, only people with serious mental issues will believe the official MH17 report.

The Dutch are NATO's plumbers. The do the dirty little jobs no one else wants to do. From drone targeting around the globe for Uncle Sam (there was a case in court with Somali nationals who lost their loved ones because the Dutch militaty intelligence agency illegally shared tapped sat phone data from an anti-piracy mission with the US to kill supposed terrorists in Somalia with drone strikes) to funnelling tens of millions of euros to headchopping terrorists under the guise humanitarian assistance or helping democratic groups.

The concept of aiding "armed moderate opposition" in another country is criminal and the politicians who were responsible should be extradited to Syria for prosecution as terrorist financiers.

How would the Dutch react if around a hundred countries would put up 70 million euros each to create, train, arm and assist "armed moderate opposition" in the Netherlands? How would the Dutch react if their country was torn apart by mercenaries and criminals from over eighty countries?

How would the Dutch react if a few hundred thousand of them would be killed and a few million of them would turn into refugees?

How would the Dutch react if their country was bombed into the stone age?

All for democracy and human rights...

Posted by: Symen Danziger | Sep 16, 2018 3:29:48 AM | 58

Dltravers@55

The Catholic Church had held fast against usury for 1500 years. Then they were infiltrated by a member of the Medici family, the leading bankers at the time. Pope Leo X was the son of Lorenzo de Medici. Leo X’s extravagant spending finally depleted the Vatican’s finances and he turned to selling indulgences to raise funds. He also started charging interest on the Churches loans for the same reason. It was mainly under this pretext that Martin Luther posted his Ninety-Nine Theses in 1517, which set off the Protestant Reformation, and they embraced usury as well.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 16, 2018 4:00:08 AM | 59

The stench of the continued cover up and the slothful admitance of funding the blindingly obvious putrid jihadist PR team called the WhiteHelmet is what we should be talking about. Will Netflix must make a massive public apology for making their vile PR WH movies ? That is what we need .
All the western governments have knowingly lied and inflicted war and death by silence and silent support for mercenaries in Syria who kill and inflict a medieval hated doctrine and zealot ideology which has caused immense suffering and destruction.
Let’s have a western leader stand and tell the truth and repent. The MSM vile machine is not in control of the narrative anymore . It’s time to condem this flimsy tissue of drivel, this pathetic cartel of liars to the past.
The truth has been undeniably since the fall of East Aleppo in December 2016.
All western media outlets and powers have lied and perpetuated the suffering and war in Syria since then .

Posted by: Nikita | Sep 16, 2018 4:08:47 AM | 60

How the Dutch corruption works one can see, among other things, when one looks at the attitude of professor André Nollkaemper, who kept silent about the fact that the Netherlands supported terrorists in Syria. One has to know the following:

'The politicians adopted a policy that all future support on intervention would be reviewed by an International Law expert. In this case that would have been André Nollkaemper – Dean and Professor of Public International Law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Amsterdam. Of course he was not consulted by PM Mark Rutte of MH17 fame.'

More important even: he himself kept silent for years, like the Dutch mainstream-media and the Dutch politicians and the so called urban elites, after it was well known via internet that the Dutch government supported terrorists.

Posted by: stan van houcke | Sep 16, 2018 4:45:22 AM | 61

This is a modern day miracle, a rare case in which investigative reporting triumphs over access journalism, resulting in actual political change.

Posted by: 0use4msm | Sep 16, 2018 4:55:37 AM | 62

A 2014 article by Cory Morningstar which unpicks the creation of war-support NGOs and the synchronised propaganda, including the White Helmets. A key document of the war.
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/09/17/syria-avaaz-purpose-the-art-of-selling-hate-for-empire/

Posted by: Will | Sep 16, 2018 5:38:55 AM | 63

My article about how Syria won in the Netherlands http://freesuriyah.eu/?p=2411

Posted by: Sonja van den Ende | Sep 16, 2018 5:58:23 AM | 64

For the Dutch readers here: http://freesuriyah.eu/?p=2442 Uitspraak van Chessy (mijn anonieme bron in 2015): Shabir Burhani ook wel bekend als Maiwand al-Afghani is een volgeling van de takfirische stroming van de islam (ISIS werd er bedoeld), die door sommigen onterecht wordt toegeschreven aan het salafisme (inderdaad ISIS is een terroristische sekte gesponsord door het westen). Maiwand al-Afghani en zijn geloofsgenoten verschillen met de salafisten in diverse opzichten (zeker). Neem als voorbeeld het ongelovig verklaren van alle islamitische leiders die niet regeren met de sharia. Volgens Maiwand zijn alle islamitische leiders die niet regeren met de sharia afvallig aan de islam. Dit terwijl onder andere de grote metgezel van de profeet Mohammed, Ibn Abaas evenals negenennegentig procent van de salafistische geleerden inclusief ibn Taymia en Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahaab het niet regeren met de sharia als een kleine overtreding in het geloof zien waarmee de islamitische leiders niet buiten de regels van de islam treden behalve als zij het niet regeren met de sharia expliciet toestaan. Maiwand’s ideologie is de ISIS ideologie! Toch maar gezellig op de foto met Rutte in 2015!

Posted by: Sonja van den Ende | Sep 16, 2018 6:01:03 AM | 65

@Sonja - Thank you for your work and congratulations. Well done.

@all - I updated the post at the end with links to the Dutch Foreign Ministry report.

Posted by: b | Sep 16, 2018 6:29:49 AM | 66

oh yeah, complicit in the profligate bloodshed of their war crimes (research their fetid legacy), the Dutch stir gratuitously in their rule-the-world reverie.

pangs of liability?

hey, maybe Royal Dutch Shell will fork over some reparations to rebuild Syria…

but i wouldn't count on it.

Posted by: john | Sep 16, 2018 6:54:24 AM | 67

Responding to the update.

So this report has been drafted and published in the three days since the news media reported on the Dutch support to these groups.

Yeah sure.

It's testament to the close collusion between the Dutch Cabinet and these news media.
Like carefully delivering a baby, they helped ease out this 'news'.

Posted by: bjd | Sep 16, 2018 7:24:23 AM | 68

I prev. posted re. White Helmets:

quote. James Le Mesurier founded the W H. He is also the Boss of Mayday Rescue, which has a similar logo (Circle with triangle inside), the triangle is superimposed on a map of world. Mayday’s listed donors: Gvmts. of UK, Japan, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany. It’s only appeal is to donate to the White Helmets.

http://www.maydayrescue.org

Although this is not made clear, thus not certain, MaydayR is (imho) the parent company - a Foundation registered in NL. (2013.)

Its courses are funded in part by ARK (Analysis, Research, Knowledge), where JLM used to work before his present capers.

--------------------

ARK is thus missing from this story, still today (afaik?)

“ARK is a research, conflict transformation and stabilisation consultancy that supports local communities in conflict and fragile areas.” http://arkgroupdmcc.com

see the Publications Section, interesting. JML is of course no longer on the team.

Other ties…

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrias-white-helmets-award-jo-cox-its-highest-honour-1146119186

Jo Cox (mysteriously murdered recipient of the WH highest honour) ’s husband Brendan Cox worked for Save the Children but was ousted for sexual impropriety (2015). He was also Exec. director of Crisis Action.

https://crisisaction.org/our-work/syria-2011-present/

Where one can read (snippets), quote:

-- Convince the Arab League to adopt targeted measures against Syria such as an arms embargo, asset freeze and suspension of Syria’s membership of the League.

-- In March 2012, one year on from the first demonstrations in Syria, Crisis Action worked with partners from the Global South to encourage the UN Security Council to agree to the deployment of UN ceasefire monitors to Syria.

-- As a result of high impact campaign work such as this a new multi-faceted campaign culminated on 2 October 2013 with the UN Security Council adopting a Presidential Statement (PRST) on humanitarian access in Syria.

--------------

I am insinuating that several Humanitarian Orgs., not just the White Helmets (a particularly blatant ex. as their whole point was to provide media exposure/support so they became too exposed..) have been / are involved in (or more..) the Syria conflict for reasons that are not discussed. You know, first you are a conspiracy theorist, then …etc.

See Stan at 9 (and iano at 15): 2013, his date about MSM no less, and mine in the old post. NL is here running pre-emptive sort of backing-off or down, certainly because they fear more might come to light.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 16, 2018 9:14:59 AM | 69

older post on this thread, no 65, 66 or so.

White Helmets on MoA

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 16, 2018 9:29:55 AM | 70

The plane was downed by a Russian-made Buk missile, supplied by the country's 53rd anti-aircraft brigade in Kursk.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44252150

Posted by: ALAN | Sep 16, 2018 9:41:04 AM | 71

Ok. Just went to the Gaurdian to read about rugby. Decided to check out their news section. That website is one big White Helmets propaganda machine. I spent maybe one hour perusing their shite.
And check this out, this is the shplurb you have to close when entering:

"The Guardian is editorially independent, meaning we set our own agenda. Our journalism is free from commercial bias and not influenced by billionaire owners, politicians or shareholders. No one edits our Editor. No one steers our opinion. This is important because it enables us to give a voice to the voiceless, challenge the powerful and hold them to account. It’s what makes us different to so many others in the media, at a time when factual, honest reporting is critical."

Anyway, Ive never seen such baldfaced bullshit in my life. Ever.
Apparently theres a massive disinformation campaign going on, targeting our beloved White Helmets. b, I consider you guilty...

Posted by: dan | Sep 16, 2018 9:55:30 AM | 72

@ ALAN | 71

Fake accusation as usual, 100% biased "investigators" are trying to pin on Russia everything and anything (when they are not doing the same against Iran or Syria). BTW Malaysian government (it was their plane after all) after studying Dutch provided documents said there is no evidence against Russia.

Posted by: Harry | Sep 16, 2018 9:57:24 AM | 73

@71

To use a much quoted response, "is that true or did you hear it on the BBC?".

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 16, 2018 10:03:32 AM | 74

Pft@59 I forgot to mention that. I also forgot that Hebrews were allowed to charge interest non Hebrews. That explains so much in history as to why they took up those profitable professions while it was frowned upon by Church.

Posted by: dltravers | Sep 16, 2018 10:04:33 AM | 75

What a fantastic website this is! its a treasure of informed and well-meaning observations.

Is a searchable data base available for the original posts and their comment contributions?

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 16, 2018 10:09:13 AM | 76

Ort @5

Anki Brokers-Knol, President of the First Chamber of the States General of the Kingdom of the Netherlands has recently made a trip to Moscow. She has been a strong proponent of an open investigation.

The Russian MoD is reportedly about to release 'sensational details' regarding the shootdown of MH-17. These may be based on unreleased military radar/sigint data rather than the already released civilian radar data. It seems that the representative of Malaysia has been shown these details and immediately withdrew claims against Russia. The suggestion is that the Russian military has finally been convinced to cease its opposition to publicly releasing its military data (on the grounds that such release gives clues to capabilities - the same reason the US military hasn't released data regarding MH-370).

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/https/www.mk.ru/politics/2018/09/16/rossiyskie-voennye-gotovy-obnarodovat-sensacionnye-dannye-krusheniya-malayziyskogo-boinga.html

Posted by: Yonatan | Sep 16, 2018 10:16:05 AM | 77

Hey can I publish this on my website?

Posted by: Sarah Freels | Sep 16, 2018 10:23:17 AM | 78

Jen - 50

Concerning your third paragraph on why debts were forgiven. From Hudson's "The Land Belongs to God"

"Rulers had a good reason for doing this. If they didn’t cancel the debts, then people who owed money would become bondservants to the tax collector or the wealthy creditors, or whoever they owed money to. If they were bondservants, they couldn’t serve in the army. They couldn’t provide the corvée labor duties – the kind of tax that people had to pay in the form of labor. Or they would defect. If you wanted to win a war you had to have a citizenry that had its own land, its own means of support."

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Sep 16, 2018 10:36:14 AM | 79

So good to see that there are nations that are waking up to what is happening on the ground in Syria and how we , as citizens of the Western world ,have been scammed by a controlled media , regarding the white helmets .Bashar Al Assad was/is not the demon we have been told he is .Time for independent Western nations to have a serious second look at what is happening to the sovereign nation of Syria. Many thanks to the Dutch for leading the way .

Posted by: Guy St Hilaire | Sep 16, 2018 10:49:24 AM | 80

There are two truths in the propaganda war promoted by the Russian and Syrian governments. The first is that Ukraine is overrun by neo-Nazis; thus, there was no populous rebellion by Ukrainians. It was simply a neo-Nazi (and US) coup i.e., history began in mid February, 2014. The second was/is that there is no legitimacy to the rebellion against Assad. Al-Qaeda and ISIS “staged” the protests in 2011 and the Arab Spring was a hoax. The White Helemets are simply terrorists. In the two part series about the White Helmets by Max Blumenthal, he writes in part 2:

"..........The White Helmets are touted for saving tens of thousands of lives, though estimates on exactly how many varies dramatically depending on the source. The recently released White Helmets’ Netflix documentary claims they’ve saved “over 55,000” people, while Georgetown Security Studies Review had the number at 15,500 in May 2015. The State Department claimed this April that 40,000 had been rescued by White Helmets, but AJ+, a subsidiary of Al Jazeera, asserted around the same time that “more than 24,000” have been saved.” In a separate report published four months later, AJ+ quoted the figure at 60,000—which is the figure the White Helmets themselves claim. Whatever the number, there is little dispute that the White Helmets’ rank-and-file are saving lives in what seems to be an increasingly desperate situation in eastern Aleppo........"

Does anyone care to estimate the number of people saved by the White Helmets?

Posted by: craigsummers | Sep 16, 2018 10:56:24 AM | 81

Remember when we 'discovered the scam' about iraq? What happened then? Did iraq gain anything? No they made it overun woth alqaeda and isis! Did the western world or the public learn anything? No 5 years down the line they repeat the same bullshit

Posted by: Occidentosis | Sep 16, 2018 10:56:51 AM | 82

reposting old content.

The pilot who shot down MH17 has committed suicide.

https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/urgent-pilot-who-probably-shot-down-mh17-commits-suicide/

backstory, Dec. 2014

http://www.voltairenet.org/article186300.html

(some may be wary of this site but Thierry has many good points to make)

Kolomoisky interview 2015, small segment

https://youtu.be/-TmarLwobzs

Putin ‘allegedly’ same route

https://www.rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Who ‘did it’ hmmm. Of course not Russia.

NL is a total vassal to the US, more so than many other countries. This minor hesitation and upset as posted by b. is truly fascinating. Rats that leave sinking ships come to mind.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 16, 2018 11:02:41 AM | 83

@craigsummers | Sep 16, 2018 10:56:24 AM | 81

Hypothetically speaking.

If you put a bomb on a school bus that has 40 children on it, take one child off, and then blow the bus up...did you just save one child, or kill 39?

Max also says in Part 2:

LINK

"The White Helmets were founded in collaboration with USAID’s Office of Transitional Initiatives—the wing that has promoted regime change around the world—and have been provided with $23 million in funding from the department. USAID supplies the White Helmets through Chemonics, a for-profit contractor based in Washington DC that has become notorious for wasteful aid imbroglios from Haiti to Afghanistan. While members of the White Helmets have been implicated in atrocities carried out by jihadist rebel groups, the names of many of the firms that supposedly monitor and evaluate their work have been kept secret by USAID on unspecified security grounds."

Posted by: b4real | Sep 16, 2018 12:08:10 PM | 84

@ Will 63

Thank you for the link – I suppose.

The Avaaz article is not only revolting, it is depressing as hell. In a triumph of mendacity that Goebbels could not even have imagined, they use the language of love and peace to advance the cause of slaughter and devastation.

One of the conclusions of the Nuremberg court was that those who make propaganda for the purpose of building public support for aggressive war are as guilty as those who carry out the aggression.

Avaaz, Purpose and those who fund them and direct their targeting, deserve the same fate as those condemned at Nuremberg.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Sep 16, 2018 12:20:32 PM | 85

"The White Helmet scam will soon come under a flood of public scrutiny"

The public scrutiny is what the authors of a "documentary" were supposed to do before glorifying the "moderate" terrorists and their war-profiteering handlers.

Instead, director Orlando von Einsiede and producer Joanna Natasegara have decided to feign a total ignorance of the research made by the fearless and principled Vanessa Beeley and Eva Barlett.

Neither director Orlando von Einsiede, nor producer Joanna Natasegarahave has ever visited Syria. The main material of the "documentary" was shot in Turkey. And voila, the concoction "White Helmets" won the 2017 Academy Award for best documentary.

Here is a picture of the two miserable opportunists: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/02/27/11/wire-134207-1488194576-865_634x421.jpg

Indeed, "Goebbels is like a puppy compared to Hollywood propaganda." https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/17/white-helmets-whole-existence-fraudulent-oscar-winning-film-fraud/

Posted by: Anya | Sep 16, 2018 12:37:13 PM | 86

#63
someome mentioned Rio de Janeiro earlier in the thread and i thought ah this aavaz hariri guy back in 2011 in the media.. what was his name already?

Posted by: mina | Sep 16, 2018 1:01:55 PM | 87

@84

Thanks for your response. No doubt some White Helmets have been associated with atrocities, but lets get back to "saving lives". When it comes to terrorist tactics (war crimes), no state or terrorist organization has outperformed the Syrian regime. Their war crimes have been documented in prisons and within the Syrian civilian population. The Assad regime targets hospitals, indiscriminately uses barrel bombs, attempts to use starvation as a war tactic, has been confirmed to use chemical weapons including sarin and chlorine by the OPCW in conjunction with the UN. So the White Helmets have saved lives in response to the terror tactics of Syria.

No doubt, numerous war crimes have been committed by the "rebels", but by far the most have been committed by Russia and Syria. According to the Amnesty International 2013 report (after 1-1/2 years of the conflict), the Assad regime carried out the vast majority of the war crimes and crimes against humanity:

“………Government forces, which were responsible for the vast majority of violations [war crimes and crimes against humanity], carried out indiscriminate attacks on residential areas using aircraft, artillery shells, mortars, incendiary weapons and cluster bombs. Together with their support militias, they arrested thousands of people, including children, subjecting many to enforced disappearance. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees were commonplace; at least 550 were reported to have died in custody, many after torture. Others were extrajudicially executed. Security forces’ snipers continued to shoot peaceful anti-government demonstrators and people attending public funerals…….”

Posted by: craigsummers | Sep 16, 2018 1:54:54 PM | 88

cirsium, Harry & Noirette
In July, the heads of the G7 foreign ministers called on Russia to cooperate with the investigation into the case of the crash of the MH17
The GRU simply liquidated Zakharchenko, as another key witness in the case of the shot down Boeing, before the trial.

Posted by: ALAN | Sep 16, 2018 3:57:27 PM | 89

Thanks for the replies! The copper reward in exchange for one's life I've encountered before. My paternal grandfather was lucky his outfit was delayed in its shipment to Europe by the influenza epidemic of 1918. One great aunt lost her only son and was bitterly jealous the rest of her life at those whose sons survived. Clearly if humans are ever to banish war certain institutions and their supporters must vanish from the pages of time for ever more and never be allowed to exist again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 16, 2018 4:19:55 PM | 90

@ Jen | 8; Yonatan | 77
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Jen, I assure you that my "scooping" you on the MH-17 reference is a total fluke; I'm such a late riser, and take so long to browse my way through comments threads, that others have usually already said everything worth saying. I just got lucky this time, that's all! ;)

Yonatan, thanks for this informative and encouraging information.

Posted by: Ort | Sep 16, 2018 5:07:40 PM | 91

craigsummers | Sep 16, 2018 1:54:54 PM | 88
"...but by far the most [war crimes] have been committed by Russia and Syria."

Have you been asleep during the last 17 years? For a hasbarist, you are rather too obvious.
"Whose Wars? Israel Continues to Wag the Dog for Middle Eastern Wars:" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49245.htm

The implementation of the Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel proved to be extremely costly for the US and for the civilians in the Middle East: https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/legacy_files/files/publication/160203_human_cost_of_mena_wars_0.pdf

The Jewish State took firmly the side of the "moderate" terrorists: http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/04/israel-actively-cooperates-with-the-islamic-state-and-al-qaeda-military-aid-channelled-into-syria-out-of-the-golan-heights/
"Israel Actively “Cooperates” with the Islamic State and Al Qaeda."

The Holocaustians have been also heavily involved in the revival of Nazism in Ukraine: https://thegharqadtree.com/nazi-israel-is-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/

Posted by: Anya | Sep 17, 2018 1:03:09 PM | 92

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