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September 09, 2018

MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2018-45

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

The timestamp question is solved, but there still many, many other inconsistencies.

There is a report of a very large Turkish Army convoy entering Syria's Idleb province. That is wishful thinking by some "rebel" circles. Turkey is only strengthening its border position. It is unlikely to intervene in the Syrian and Russian 'Idleb Dawn' operation to free the province of terrorists.


 Finally a realistic assessment of the British role in World War II:

Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah - 7:40 utc- 9 Sep 2018

Actually no, we didn't Win the Second World War. We started it, but, thanks to our weakness and shortage of cash had to hand it over to the USA and the USSR half way through. First extracts, in the Mail on Sunday, from my new book 'The Phoney Victory'

The limeys will be livid about this insult and ignore the truth. Recommended.

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on September 9, 2018 at 17:20 UTC | Permalink

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Also this gem from above link

Opel, GM’s 100% owned German subsidiary, produced trucks and aircraft and even, too late to be used in combat, produced for Hitler the world’s first jet fighter.

“When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by [Ford and GM]… It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel [GM]… [that they were under attack by GM’s wholly-owned German subsidiary] Opel built warplanes.”

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12 2018 13:17 utc | 201

Somebody: “I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.”

Now we're talking!

Excellent comment! +100!

And please, let’s have no more talk about New York banker Jacob Schiff funding the Bolsheviks, or David Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group, funding the American Enterprise Institute

That kind of talk is bordering on anti-semitism

73 years after the war ended, let’s stay focused on those evil Nazis!

Keep up the good work, somebody!

Posted by: Rothsteinberg | Sep 12 2018 13:38 utc | 202

Good News on the Skripal front and rotten news for Ms May & Liars R Us.

15 minutes ago on News 24.
Putin has announced (with a chuckle) that Russia has found the 2 CIVILIANS accused of evil-doing by Ms May and he hopes that they will respond to her FALSE accusations. There's a little more to this story but I don't want to spoil b's fun, or the chance to hold his nose and dig deeper...for his umpteenth post on the Skripal SNAFU.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 12 2018 13:43 utc | 203

Much improved GIF animation of the 2 russians at Gatwick

In my opinion this shows the background match to be so exact that it is almost certain they entered via the same 'tunnel', at different times. I am aware of the previous discussion, but I find the explanations unconvincing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2018 16:35 utc | 204

Finally we have Escobar's initial report on the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, which just opened yesterday and goes until the 13th. Just reading the program for the 11th makes one wish to be present in multiple locations simultaneously. Fortunately, most sessions from yesterday have summaries and videos in English, such as the one for "Crossroads on the Silk Road." (Gee, I'm very tempted to spend the rest of the day at that site!)

Yes, the conference is much better organized and disseminating its content, which is of singular importance for those of us who cannot attend--the drastic lack of content dissemination's a weak point for many similar conferences; so, I'm very pleased to see this advance!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 12 2018 17:11 utc | 205

@karlof1: thank you. I read your posts, and they are instructive.
The posters on this forum mostly set a very high bar in standards of writing and knowledge, and are largely open-minded and inclusive.
The blog has also been a steep learning curve, to learn and spot, among others, counter-intuitive propaganda and hidden agendas.
I chimed into this conversation because I was pretty shocked at the attack charging a forumite as a Chinese troll.
When that same person attempts to subvert, twist and deflect an established/ proven point, or hijacks the thread, the alert for `agent provocateur' is triggered.
Anyways, the issue of Muslim regression and fundamentalism is global and complex, and I am not expert enough to delve deeply into it.
What I will say is, Xinjiang has long been part of China, and it has a duty to ensure that its Muslim minorities - Hui, Kazakh, Uyghur - can practise religion, but not get drugged by it.
Drag them screaming into the 21st century, if necessary.
@james: how many posts did it for you take to finally conclude that CalDre is posterior-orientated? LOL!!

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Sep 12 2018 17:20 utc | 206

in other news.... turkey tries to frame syria.... not sure how this will play out...

Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization has detained a major suspect behind the deadly 2013 bombings in the Turkish border town of Reyhanli, the Anadolu news agency reported on Wednesday.

The 2013 bombings claimed lives of over 50 people, while more than 150 were injured, according to media reports. Ankara put the blame for the attack on Damascus. Syria refuted the claims.

Ankara managed to capture the suspect, 34-year-old Turkish citizen Yusuf Nazik, in the Syrian port city of Latakia. The detainee claims that he was acting on the orders of the Syrian intelligence, local media said.
The suspect has provided the Turkish intelligence service with information about Mihrac Ural, another suspect in the bombings, who is being wanted by the Interpol, according to the media outlet.
In February, the Turkish court reportedly sentenced nine of the 33 suspects to life in prison, while 13 others received sentences from 10 to 15 years.
Source: Sputnik

Posted by: james | Sep 12 2018 17:46 utc | 207

Rothsteinberg @205: Keep up the good work, somebody!

IMO somebody’s 'good work' is not sufficient. It’s easy to hate Nazis but hard to learn the lessons that history teaches us.

It's well known that anti-communist elites and racists in USA were Nazi sympathizers. But they could not prevail against elite anglophiles and public sentiment.

Today, we face a MUCH more dangerous situation because elites are much more united and media control is as great or greater. Instead of racial superiority for grandiose excuses, we have "exceptionalism" and Zionism. Such warped thinking allows for whatever-it-takes elite malfeasance. And, to further cement their power, elites drive wedges between ordinary people with social issues and immigration.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12 2018 17:51 utc | 208

211, 205/207
actually I am enjoying this

There is more on

Opel - General Motors

To conceal American ownership and reinforce the masquerade that Opel stood as a purely Aryan enterprise, Sloan and Mooney, beginning in 1934, concocted the concept of a directorate, comprised of prominent German personalities, including several with Nazi Party membership. This created what GM officials variously termed a "camouflage" or "a false facade" of local management. But the decisions were made in America. GM as the sole stockholder controlled Opel's board and the corporate votes.

Among the decisions made in America beginning in about 1935 was the one transferring to Germany the technology to produce the modern gasoline additive tetraethyl lead, commonly called "ethyl," or leaded gasoline. This allowed the Reich to boost octane that provided better automotive performance by eliminating disruptive engine pings and jolts. Better performance meant a faster and more mobile fighting force -- just what the Reich would ultimately need for its swift and mobile blitzkrieg.

Years after the war, Nazi armaments chief Albert Speer told a congressional investigator that Germany could not have attempted its September 1939 blitzkrieg of Poland without the performance-boosting additive.
During the Hitler years, many of those excess profits were used to acquire other companies and properties, only increasing Opel's assets in Germany. After the war, starting in 1948, GM began regaining control over Opel operations and eventually its monumental assets as well as blocked dividends. GM also collected some $33 million in "war reparations" because the Allies had bombed its German facilities.

In 1953, when GM President Charlie Wilson was nominated to be secretary of defense, he was asked at his confirmation hearing if he could make a decision in the country's interest that was contrary to GM's interest. Wilson shot back with his famous comment, "I cannot conceive of one, because for years I thought what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa. The difference did not exist. Our company is too big."

And there is, of course, Siemens in the Soviet Union.

In 1931 and 1932, in the middle of the Great Depression, the guarantees were renewed. Now cooperating on a large scale, Siemens supplied industrial facilities, power plant equipment and trains for the first Soviet five-year plan. The company also had a share in building Dneprostroi, the largest hydroelectric plant in Europe, in planning the Moscow Metro and in constructing the largest Soviet steelworks in Magnitogorsk. During these years, the Soviet Union became one of Siemens’ most important customers, accounting for almost seven percent of the company’s total sales. But the good times were not to last: in its second five-year plan, the Soviet Union cut the import of capital goods drastically. And after the National Socialists gained power in Germany in 1933, there was no longer a political basis in Germany for a continuation of the German-Soviet relationship. Not until the end of the1950s did Siemens once again resume business with the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 12, 2018 1:51:19 PM | 211

The new "populist" right is astroturfed. At least here in Germany. The football holigan, martial arts, racist crowd has just deeply embarrassed the "new" right wing conservative "elite" whose funding actually - again - reaches back to the US. A certain type of German elite (who used to colonize the East) got themselves killed in WWII to the great relief of the rest of the country.
I am not saying that people are not stupid enough to repeat history. But there is a very good chance they will not.
If you look at Britain the "elite" is very much split - along similar pro and anti-Russian lines. Same goes for the US.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12 2018 20:23 utc | 209


Thanks for info on Fugger. Yes, he inspired Reformation. His loans required the church to engage in the selling of indulgences to pay off. This led to Luther and the reformation, and Calvinism which allowed institutionalized usury as opposed to usurious loans being limited to a few individual rich merchants

The churches weakening on an absolute prohibition of usury was that they came to believe it was just for the lender who is giving up use of his property to charge a service fee in exchange. Modest interest was acceptable. So limits on interest rates and no compound interest . Excessive interest rates and compound interest is probably a better definition of usury

The churches weakening in this matter suggests reformation may have been more a symptom than the disease. IMO the subsequent weakening of the churches influence over government behavior led to economic excesses, slavery and more frequent and bloody wars. Maybe that happens without reformation as the elites sought to break free of religious moral laws and replace with mans laws which can justify any evil. They probably would have found a way but divide and rule works best.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 12 2018 23:21 utc | 210

@ somebody and Pft with the discussion about usury

Thanks for that. What I would add was that the monotheistic religions of that time needed support because of the Enlightenment period pressures. So the churches were having to "evolve" their precepts to stay valid with the elite as well as the faith breathers not evolved enough to embrace more reason than faith.

Have we evolved any further?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 13 2018 4:52 utc | 211

LittleWhiteCabbage @209--

Thanks for your reply! It's very difficult for historians to ignore religion regardless of their personal beliefs given its impact on human culture and historical events, although some do try very hard. Religion exists to help humans make sense of the natural world as does science. I've met and discussed the science/religion issue with several Biology professors who know the theory of Evolution to be a fact and yet still keep their religious faiths so I could understand their rationalizations, which were quite logical. My method is to teach the historical evolution of religion so students can be informed enough to choose their own path while seeing the importance of being open minded and tolerant of other reasonable opinions/beliefs--particularly the historical grounds for the religious freedom aspect of the 1787 US Constitution's 1st Amendment. Given China's long history and lack of fratricidal religious wars like those of Europe, I expect China's leaders to have a wise policy aimed at promoting harmony instead of discord, which is what I've seen in practice.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 13 2018 16:23 utc | 212

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