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September 02, 2018

MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2018-44

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Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 4, 2018 1:58:49 AM | 102

If I may intercede I reckon your statement apposite as it is, would be more accurate with a small change, the addition of one word

" As sick as this sounds, not enough white people have died yet to get the attention of our species that we have a critical problem requiring worldwide response. . . "

IMO as sick as this sounds unwhite deaths have an aura of being too removed to matter for many/most whitefellas.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 4 2018 6:28 utc | 101

re Grieved 100

"The fate of the terrorists who have been corralled into Idlib, Fadel states, is death. There is no more relocation."

I doubt that. There's no point in excessive casualties. They'll be pushed over the border into Turkey, or isolated in camps in no-mans-land, and left to starve.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 4 2018 6:43 utc | 102

Well I've just daisy-chained offa grieved's link at #100 and consequentially am hoping that Russia Syria and Iran get through Idlib asap.

We're all aware that virtually no-one in the fukUS decision tree could give a flying f**k about what happens to anyone in or around idlib. I have no doubt that bolton plus assorted other greed driven blowhards are running with "we can kill em in northern Syria while they still weak as p1ss- relatively, or we can wait until they're off Amsterdam, Aberdeen or Baltimore". Plenty of dumbos, drongos and greedies just itching to send other people's kids off when the most it could cost is a left hand shake and a "Thank you for your service" to an overly credulous one-armed unit of cannon-fodder.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 4 2018 6:53 utc | 103

Here we go again,

Trump warns Assad against ‘reckless' attack on Syria’s militant-held Idlib

Trump is so stupid and dangerous I dont know what.

Now we could be sure Trump will attack Syria soon again.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 4 2018 7:39 utc | 104

قاوم يا شعبي قاومهم الشاعرة دارين طاطور

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 4 2018 7:57 utc | 105

adding to that...
this goes along with the refusal to acknowledge Russia's role in this,
for months Russia have been in talks with US and Israel, naively thinking they do something good, but as often repeated, these talks leads to this kind of appeasement, Syria is once again, left alone when airforces from UK, France, US, Israel is sooner or later going to bomb Syrian army, and this time, or next they will surely bomb Assad just like Khadaffi got murdered by the same type of western-supported rebel forces.

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 4 2018 8:01 utc | 106

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 4, 2018 2:43:15 AM | 104

Holding a white flag would be an option.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 4 2018 8:13 utc | 107

Monitor: Two Pro-Assad Fighters Killed in Suspected Israeli Strike in Syria

Netanyahu Meets U.S. Envoy over Syria, Iran, Regional Stability

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 4 2018 8:16 utc | 108

Russia 'warns' US not to intervene. Israel wastes no time demonstrating that Russian 'warnings' continue to be laughable noise.

Posted by: paul | Sep 4 2018 8:35 utc | 109

America, Russia the Middle East and the rest of the world just want to live in peace ! A small number of power crazed violently insane rich people, want to kill more Inocent poor people !!!
There fixed it !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 4 2018 9:17 utc | 110

@110 Zanon, why do you even bother trying to pretend that you are anything other than a Zionist troll?

You link to a breitbart article that you know - absolutely know - is nothing but a regurgitation of a Times Of Israel "report".

This one, in fact:

Breibart even says so in the first five words of that article: "The Times of Israel reports:"

So why do you insist that we look to the chattering monkey, when you could have simply pointed everyone to the organ-grinder?

Is it because revealing that the Times of Israel is the real source of your "knowledge" that this would, you know, rather Give The Game Away?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 4 2018 11:26 utc | 111

Debisdead @103

I sorta disagree. The deaths would have to be happening really close (like within your own fortress, i.e. country, city, street, family). But then, of course, it would be far too late to do anything about it. So I don't think it is racial per se, but the groupings ("too removed"/skin colour) tend to overlap.

Broadly, no one much cares that much about the white South African farmers or even about Russians if the west were able to launch a war without retaliation, because (though white) they are "too removed".

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 4 2018 12:17 utc | 112


Indeed, Israel and US knows where Russia is, and what Russia is on Syria - weak.
What Russia say is of course of no concern to US/Israel. Russia not only weakened itself by having these appeasement talks past months that have lead up to this new situation we see now where Trump threat Syria Iran and even Russia again! Russia have also weakened Iran (Russia: Iranian troops in Syria to be kept 85 kilometers from Israel border) - just according to the wishes of John Bolton and Benjamin Netanyahu and other neocons.

Left behind is Assad which in turn have no S300, that was of course also blocked by Russia because Israel wanted it that way ( Russia, after Netanyahu visit, backs off Syria S-300 missile supplies).

The question is, is this the work of Putin or is there forces inside Russia that turn Russia into this mess over and over again?

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 4 2018 12:20 utc | 113

The persons I ´ve talked to in common conversations know absolutely nothing about Northrea, except the Korea except the core parts of the media crap. But the main point that should bestressed is
that the agreement reached so far is for the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, not of
the north of the peninsula... and that US troops in the south do have Nukes and missiles to reach
China outside the border.
OF course that western narrative shows beyond doubt the intrinsical duplicity and dominance intentions
of the empire.

Posted by: augusto | Sep 4 2018 12:32 utc | 114

There are many ways public finance can be used to better society without charging interest.

One is a job guarantee. The federal government can employ unused labor resources. There are many useful jobs that can be done. It should pay a minimum wage defined as the lowest acceptable material standard of living. Since these jobs would be available to all this would also set the minimum wage for the private workforce. A job guarantee works better overall than a guaranteed basic income as it also provides needed goods and services to supply the increased demand. It also wouldn't do away with needed sources of welfare type income.

Create single payer medical care. Make K-16 education tuition free. Increase retirement pensions.

These things are possible if progressives take the stance that the role of the state and it's financing abilities are to create a legal framework that advances the overall interests of citizens.

Posted by: financial matters | Sep 4 2018 12:40 utc | 115

There was a text book example, yesterday on this thread, of the way that propaganda-and propagandists- work.
Essentially out of nowhere came the following claim
"....Without forgetting the savage rapes and murders of an estimated 2 million German women (between the ages of 8 and 80) at the hands of Red army soldiers
"These Russian troops had been incited to lustmurder by the psychopathic propagandist Ilya Ehrenberg..." @28

Later on the same person-Mona Ahmed Zaki @36- added
"Commissar Ilya Ehrenburg’s “KILL” was distributed in the millions among Red Army troops on the front lines of battle in WWII

The final paragraph of “Kill” reads:

"The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word ‘German’ is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word ‘German’ strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day…


"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.

"Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army."

This helped the Red Army perpetrate the largest gynocide and mass rape in recorded history. "

The point is not just that this is arrant nonsense, a complete fiction from beginning to end- which it is, the 'leaflet' in question was produced by Goebbels' propaganda machine to persuade Germans to fight to the death in their losing cause- but that it is a fiction which is almost a century old and which, despite having been refuted on numerous occasions, keeps on popping back up because it has become part of the neo-nazi propaganda playbook. In large part because, after WW II, governments in the anti-communist bloc deliberately preserved Nazi propaganda claims for use against the Soviet enemy. This is one of them.

As it happens I own a copy of Ilya Ehrenburg's memoirs of the war. On page 31 he writes:

“Goebbels needed a bogey, so he spread the legend about the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg who thirsted to exterminate the German people…
"In an order dated 1st January 1945 Hitler himself condescended to mention me: 'Stalin’s court lackey, Ilya Ehrenburg, declares that the German people must be exterminated.’"

Nothing could be further from the truth:
" “Anybody might come to the conclusion that I have been calling for a complete annihilation of the German people. Whereas naturally I never issued any such call: it was German fascist propaganda that ascribed this to me.”

Elsewhere discussing the same allegations he writes
"“As early as 1944 I received a letter from England from a certain Lady Gibb. Prompted by religious feelings she urged me to leave retribution for the crimes of the Fascists to God and not to appeal to feelings of revenge.
" I published this letter in Red Star together with my reply in which I said that the feeling of revenge was alien to me, that the Red Army men, when they captured the towns of Transylvania, where there were many German families, did not murder the unarmed people…I have seen Russian soldiers rescue German children, we are not ashamed of this we take pride in it… the Soviet soldier will not molest a German woman…It is not for booty, not for loot, not for women that he has come to Germany. ..”

By the end of 1944 Ehrenburg, who was working as a front line war correspondent, was in east Prussia with the Red Army. Wherever he goes he runs into Russian civilians-slave labourers taken from their homes and employed not only in factories but in private homes. They had been very badly treated.

“…To tell the truth, I had feared that after the crimes the invaders had perpetrated in our country, our Red Army men might try to settle accounts. In dozens of articles I kept on saying that we should not and, indeed, could not exact vengeance for we were Soviet people , not fascists. Patrols protected the population There were, of course, cases of violence, of looting: in every army there are criminals, hooligans and drunkards, but our officers took measures against excesses. ."

There is no evidence that the behaviour of Russian soldiers was any worse than that of their American and British Empire peers.
What there is no doubt of is that the German campaign against the Soviet Union was conducted on terrorist principles and the theory that Slavs were an inferior race, useful only as slave labour: the treatment of Russians by the Nazis was absolutely appalling. This should never be forgotten.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 4 2018 13:25 utc | 116

Nike announces Colin Kaepernick will be a featured spokeperson for the brand's 30th anniversary "Just Do It" campaign.

This is ironic to say the least on several levels. For one thing, Nike has been accused of exploiting child labor in third world countries, including Pakistan, where the average family subsists on $5 per day.

“Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything. #JustDoIt,” Kaepernick, who has been with Nike since 2011 and hasn’t played a down of football since he failed to re-sign with the 49ers following the 2016 season, posted on Twitter.

Kaepernick has drawn support for the Nike campaign from both John Brennan and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Nike is a major supplier of shoes and endorsement dollars to NFL players, of whom more than 70% are African American. Nike also designs uniforms and helmets for all of the league's teams.

As of the time of posting this comment, no word from the Tweeter-in-Chief

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 4 2018 13:34 utc | 117

Bevin @18
Good detective work there on two levels. It amazes me how many people here aren't what they say they are !
I wonder would you or enyone else be able to help with another bit of sleuthing ? I'm interested in the word 'Rechtsstaat' have come across this word relevant to Chemnitz Germany. Have looked up the definition and even more entrigued ! I'd love a knowledgeable account !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 4 2018 14:28 utc | 118

Putin's Russia as a fascist political system
ُExpert: Alexander J. Motyl

Posted by: ALAN | Sep 4 2018 14:38 utc | 119

Colin Kaepernick is the media distraction gift that keeps on giving. They trot him out as needed for the purpose of distraction and division. That spook Brennan gives him his seal of approval, that offers a huge clue. The Kaepernick phenom is a Propaganda Tool.

There are around 40 million American racists, xenophobes and bigots whom appreciate and enjoy the division and the distraction. They are entirely immersed in it.

Then, there is a majority. And the majority is silenced. Drowned out in the cacophony of bullshirt.

Kaepernick can take a knee and he should as should every athlete.

The PTB has called attention to it and they use it to divide and distract.

You won't even notice when they steal your social security.

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 4 2018 14:58 utc | 120

In war-situations, burning, fire of hate, extreme loathing, the desire to blast, kill, and exploit, animals and humans, leads to rape being very common.

Women, men, and children are raped. Who does / did or refrained is imho hard to judge in whatever world conflicts. Children and babies are usually killed after rape, or simply left to die, bleeding and split apart dripping on the ground. (Reuters won’t provide pix.) They can’t withstand, have no possibilities to fight back, and sadly, usually plenty more are around. A few may survive by latching onto a Big daddy / mommy protector by providing sexual favors for money, a stab at survival.

Women are often butchered to death by group or gang rape, very few survive. Men usually don’t admit to being raped, probably are less targetted as victims (not sure), maybe more of them survive, as they can be used for other endavours, as free aka slave labor, as they are stronger, etc.

It is impossible imho to point the finger at a particular Nation, Country, Tribe, Group, Ethnicity, etc. The horror can't be portioned out.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 4 2018 15:02 utc | 121

fastfreddy - Totally agree. This is a great story with huge potential for enflaming all sides of the racism issue (Twitter is already exploding), plus let's not forget tariffs. Nike I'm sure is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Footwear is one of the items in the new round of Trump tariff proposals on Chinese goods. Shoes a major Chinese export to the US were left off the initial round.

Of course Trump is a lot more bark than bite and when he does bite it's mostly teeth sunk into his own fat ass.

One thing is certain....domestic popcorn sales are going to increase exponentially and that is something still made in America (I think).

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 4 2018 15:18 utc | 122

Qawem Ya Shaabi Qawemahum" ("Resist my people, Resist them")

Doreen Tatour

Posted by: mnfarahat | Sep 4 2018 15:36 utc | 123

There has been a long and continuous run of sociopaths running the USA. They scratch and claw, rob and cheat, kiss up/kick down, plunder, rape and kill, to climb the ladder of success.

What a run we've had just recently - Trump, Obama, Dubya, Clinton, Poppy, Reagan. (and don't forget the sobs in congress!).

Rotten sob's. It would be comical if it weren't so serious and so deadly (for the poor, for those whom have been invaded, bombed, raped, murdered, robbed).

Posted by: fastfreddy | Sep 4 2018 16:09 utc | 124

Got to hand it to Israel - their jets are basically taunting Putin now.

Posted by: paul | Sep 4 2018 16:17 utc | 125

Fastfreddy @ 126
To right ! But what don't kill us makes us stronger. The vast majority in US just want to live in peace ! All the wars round the world the destablisation of governments won't be cured eny where else now but in the streets ! In US, U.K. I wish it were other wise. Ad it up already all forms of media comunication/democracy have been curupted. Networking and uniteing is the way forward !
As a moral boost--- am I right in thinking more people were at the White House protesting against trump than were Ther celebrating his enuguration. And wasn't there a black bloc march San Francisco 250000 strong. And that was before we new just how crap he'd be !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 4 2018 16:31 utc | 126

“You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Solzhenitsyn’s final book “200 Years Together” that documented the Bolshevik tyranny (names, dates, places) is still BANNED in English.

In this book, he didn't pull his punches. He placed Soviet Jews centre place in perpetrating the worst mass murders of the 20th century. While acknowledging that some Jews also suffered under this tyranny he clarified that it was not as Jews per se, rather that they were in the wrong faction at the wrong time. Solzhenitsyn's own estimate for the number of Christians (his word) who died was 60 million.

However I’m sure this has nothing to do with WHY the book has been banned in English. /sarc

And I'm sure that Moon of A commenters like bevin know A LOT more about what happened in Bolshevik Russia than the Noble-prize winning author of The Gulag Archipelago

Posted by: Juan | Sep 4 2018 16:32 utc | 127

BANNED - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - Two Hundred Years Together (almost full English translation in pdf)

Posted by: Juan | Sep 4 2018 16:40 utc | 128

Posted by: financial matters | Sep 4, 2018 8:40:22 AM | @117

There are many ways public finance can be used to better society without charging interest.

One is a job guarantee. The federal government can employ unused labor resources. There are many useful jobs that can be done. It should pay a minimum wage defined as the lowest acceptable material standard of living.

Yes! And this is a solution that makes sense to ordinary people.

In Mexico, a sham democracy was instituted and brutal capitalist programs of financial modernization implemented by the heartless post-Cardenas Presidential administrations.

Infrastructure projects invariably went to transnational companies instead of hiring local people to organize the construction of their own roads and water projects.

Federal government support for workers in the countryside evaporated.

Heavy handed repression dissipated the legitimacy that the cardenista national government had achieved during the 1930s.

Posted by: Guerrero | Sep 4 2018 16:50 utc | 129

Juan @130 & @131

To reproduce Solzhenitsyn's claim that the Bolsheviks (specifically Bolshevik Jews) are responsible for the death of 60 million (Christian) Russians as some kind of proven, indisputable fact is ridiculous and ludicrous. Even Solzhenitsyn did not support this (his) claim? Why? Because it was politically motivated rhetoric.

Account for this figure or slink away (and don't reply by saying "read the book"). You made the charge (implied, repeated, however you want to describe it: you know the poison you attempted to inject), now justify it?

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 4 2018 18:11 utc | 130

Interesting article on informed trading before 9-11

Posted by: Pft | Sep 4 2018 18:41 utc | 131

@117 financial matters

I believe that all elected officials should be paid the minimum wage. I bet it would quickly become livable. ;)

Also, why stop investing in the public education @ year 16? I
believe if you can pass the test, you should be able to proceed in your chosen area.

Free education would result in more doctors, nurses, dentists, teachers and other trades that actually benefit the general public.

We could do it with today's military budget, but too many people doubt their power.

appreciate you.

@122 fastfreddy

"Kaepernick can take a knee and he should as should every athlete."

I disagree, and doubt there is a silent majority that agrees with you.

I fly my flag upside down on THE holidays, and frequently have to explain to the locals that it is a distress signal. They ask, "well, what kind of distress are you in?" I tell them, "The government keeps taking my money and blowing up brown people."

Of course he can express his resentment, peacefully.

Have a nice day.


Posted by: b4real | Sep 4 2018 19:49 utc | 132

some posters here at moa are very consistent, which is why continue to read them - fastfreddy and bevin being 2 fine examples... the other newbies who pop up from time to time, or the few who continue to take a line that runs contrary to moa is noted.. i tend to not respond to them as it is too predictable where it will lead - nowhere!!

Posted by: james | Sep 4 2018 20:17 utc | 133

@ Juan

This comment is addressed to Juan only

Nice try, Juan, but you’re wasting your time here.

You’re assuming these commenters want to know the truth, but you’re wrong

The ignorance here is intentional. This blog should be renamed (((The Gates of Tel Aviv)))

I haven’t bothered to look if there’s any response to your comment, but if there is, I’m 100 hundred thousand percent certain whoever it is will be defending the Soviet Jews...Every.Single.Time

Solzhenitsyn dedicated his life to speaking the truth, but the possibility he told the truth in his final book would never occur to these (((commenters)))

The most frequent commenters here are Jewish, that’s completely obvious (otherwise my name is Napoleon Bonaparte) and the rest (maybe 10 percent?) are clueless goyim cattle who just follow along

Notice how it’s okay to criticize Israel (as a form of damage control) but only up to a certain point, and it’s only “zionists” who are guilty, and outside Israel there is NEVER any discussion of who really owns and controls the US media (a 30 sec Internet search would tell you)’s Nazis, right?

Who owns Hollywood? Nazis! who controls Wall St? Nazis again! who was really behind the 2008 financial crisis? Nazis such as (((Goldman Sachs))) and more nazis with names like (((Robert Rubin))), (((Lloyd Blankfein))), (((Ben Bernanke))), (((Alan Greenspan))) who controls the politicians in DC? (((Sheldon Adelson))) (((Bernard Marcus))) and (((Paul Singer)))....all three Nazis!

List the neocons who got us into the Iraq war. Why, it’s another long list of dual citizen nazis, with names like (((Richard Perle))), (((Paul Wolfowitz))), (((Douglas Feith))) (((Michael Ledeen))) (((Charles Krauthammer))) (((David Frum))) (((Robert Kagan))) (((Dov Zakheim))) etc all US citizens but still holding their German passports, obviously in the service of the Fourth Reich and Greater Germany

Instead of speaking the truth here you have to these code words, it’s always the “elites”, the “ruling class”, the “1 percent”, etc, but never three billionaire Jews, er sorry I meant Nazis (Sheldon Adelson, Bernard Marcus and Paul Singer) who control US foreign policy

My advice: get as far away from this fucking (((echo chamber))) as you possibly can

Posted by: László | Sep 4 2018 20:42 utc | 134


Posted by: james | Sep 4 2018 20:47 utc | 135

Bevin @ 118: Thanks for setting the record straight on what Ilya Ehrenburg was alleged to have done and what he actually did during World War II.

I noticed that since my last comment in which I pointed out that the methodology on which the alleged Soviet mass rapes of two million German women was suspect and biased, the commenter who mentioned this topic and Ehrenburg has gone silent on both.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 4 2018 22:51 utc | 136

((( László and Juan @ 136: Bye-bye and take care the door doesn't slam on you both.

You are going too, aren't you, László? You don't have to stay with us. )))

Posted by: Jen | Sep 4 2018 22:54 utc | 137

James @98. I'm pretty sure al Jazeera broadcast their 4-part documentary on the Israel Lobby in Britain before the KSA/Qatar brush-up. It's well worth viewing, and I expect the US Israel Lobby operates much the same.

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 4 2018 23:56 utc | 138

james @98: I wrote it. A recent episode of The Jimmy Dore Show discussed the ongoing beatification of McCain. Lots of good jokes, both in the show and in the comments below. A user named Maestro_T wrote: "The word is that he is mobilizing hell for war against heaven at this very moment". I found the joke very funny and decided to expand it into a piece in the style of The Onion to entertain fellow MoA readers.

Posted by: S | Sep 5 2018 0:23 utc | 139

@140 daniel.. thanks for sharing that.. indeed that is it by the look of the first few the timing was prior to the ksa brush up? interesting..

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2018 0:26 utc | 140

@141 S - excellent writing my friend!!! i hope you write and get more published like that!

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2018 0:27 utc | 141

@143 Thank you! I'm glad it made you smile.

Posted by: S | Sep 5 2018 0:59 utc | 142

Here the poet Tariq al Haydar translates Dareen Tatour’s words (from the video below into English)

Dareen Tatour has been imprisoned by the Israelis for posting the following poem and video on Facebook, and is facing a very long prison sentence:

Resist, My People, Resist Them

Resist, my people, resist them.
In Jerusalem, I dressed my wounds and breathed my sorrows
And carried the soul in my palm
For an Arab Palestine.
I will not succumb to the “peaceful solution,”
Never lower my flags
Until I evict them from my land.
I cast them aside for a coming time.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the settler’s robbery
And follow the caravan of martyrs.
Shred the disgraceful constitution
Which imposed degradation and humiliation
And deterred us from restoring justice.
They burned blameless children;
As for Hadil, they sniped her in public,
Killed her in broad daylight.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist the colonialist’s onslaught.
Pay no mind to his agents among us
Who chain us with the peaceful illusion.
Do not fear doubtful tongues;
The truth in your heart is stronger,
As long as you resist in a land
That has lived through raids and victory.
So Ali called from his grave:
Resist, my rebellious people.
Write me as prose on the agarwood;
My remains have you as a response.
Resist, my people, resist them.
Resist, my people, resist them.

قاوم يا شعبي قاومهم الشاعرة دارين طاطور

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 5 2018 4:48 utc | 143

Buitiful prose there Mona Ahmed Zaki @ 145
Long live Palestine ! The Israel murderers will get there punisment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 5 2018 7:15 utc | 144

@ Laszlo 137

The Moon of Alabama commentariat takes a pause from commenting

Posted by: mnfarahat | Sep 5 2018 11:55 utc | 145

The counter Kaepernick protestors are burning their Nikes and proferring Pat Tillman (ex-NFL player turned dead soldier from friendly fire in Afghanistan) as the true hero who gave up everything in support of his ideals.

Only one small problem with that narrative.....Tillman was a left leaning atheistic friend of Noam Chomsky who was bamboozled like so many others (Glenn Greenwald anyone?) by all the fake patriotism post 9/11. He was reported by his fellow grunts as 100% disillusioned by Bush's war after participating first hand, and his death was egregiously covered up and misrepresented factually by the military to support their sagging public support for the Iraqi misadventure.

Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 5 2018 12:56 utc | 146

Chemnitz Germany and Colin Kaepernick

Divide and Rule remains effective. In the US, a sincere, silent and respectful memorial to all the (mostly black male) citizens brutalized and killed by the militarized police is transformed by the propaganda into a traitorous spitting upon the flag (NOT THE FLAG!!!) and slap-to-the-face of our always heroic veterans (NOT THE VETERANS!!!). How dare that “son of a b*tch”?!?

And so, the “right wing” which has been warning us for decades about the “Jack-Booted Thugs” of the Police State find themselves cheering those thugs. The dearly-departed “Liberty Movement” which once demanded the shutting down of those “FEMA Camps” being built to imprison people made into “the other” by the State are now demanding that even more such prisons be built to house even more of those smarmy others.

In Germany, the “right” and the “left” are protesting and counter-protesting to the point of punching each other out in the streets, just like the “alt-right” and “antifa” in the USofA. Nations already reeling from years of austerity and fear-mongering propaganda about certain "others" suddenly find large numbers of those very "others" "flooding in" to their motherlands. At least they see this on their TVs even if they don't personally have much interaction with the refugees.

Who created the “refugee crisis” in Europe that is tearing those countries apart?

Listen to the words spoken by an American who "made Aliyah" to Israel and then moved to Sweden to work on teaching Europe to be multicultural. Note: She said this in 2010, years BEFORE the "Refugee Crisis."

”I think there's a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time, Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place.

“Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role.”

Who arranged for, and promoted the photos of Colin Kapernick with Bana, the Miracle Tweeter from Aleppo when she came to the US on a book tour?

We are all victims of the most insidious 24/7 propaganda apparatus. From what I see of Israeli media, they are even more constantly (and successfully) propagandized than USAmericans.

Through the propaganda, we, the people (the 99%) are divided into warring camps. Working stiffs with higher skin reflectivity rates are made to identify more closely with the billionaire class with similar tones (ignoring that the fastest growing group of new billionaires are Chinese).

People are led to fight over how to treat desperate refugees, rather than demand that our governments (and our billionaires) stop creating desperate refugees.

Divide and Rule. “When Will We Ever Learn?”

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 5 2018 16:07 utc | 147

Daniel @ 149 That as always from you is the most intelligent comment. I'v seen summing up two apparently unconnected events but perfectly diagnosing these 'symptems' naming the overall problem / diesese ! Not only that but proceeding to give us a good prognoses ! Your the doctor for me. Heads up people this guy knows what he's talking about ! Will we live ? Only if we pay attention to what our good doctor says.
Regarding many other comments I'm hearing chaotic computer virus ! And Silent apathy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 5 2018 16:32 utc | 148

Historian and political analyst Vladimir Kornilov wrote an article for RIA Novosti comparing the famous 1924 SIS forgery, "Zinoviev letter", to the ongoing Skripal affair: (machine translation; the translation is surprisingly good, except that "the Violins" should read "the Skripals"). I highly recommend it to anyone not familiar with the story.

Posted by: S | Sep 5 2018 17:48 utc | 149


Well from this most of the world and much of the US seems incapable of learning much beyond tying their shoes and using a knife/fork- chopsticks-hand to eat

It occurs to me that tech and social media and its associated Big Data analytics have confirmed to the elite how dumb the herd really is. They always thought we were smarter than we are, not daring to believe how dumb we could be collectively. So they proceeded cautiously

Now they know. There is not a lie so outrageous that most will not believe it if reported often enough by people said to be experts (hired hacks). Different lies for different groups. Keep the critters fighting each other lest they go after them. Divide and rule.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 5 2018 19:56 utc | 150

@151 S... thanks for that.. i was unaware of it and the parallels today are disturbing for what they say.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2018 21:08 utc | 151

I accidentally posted this on another thread. Too many open tabs, too few firing brain cells.

Mark2. Thanks for the (overly) generous words. I’m just picking up pieces of the puzzle and occasionally finding a few that fit together quite snugly. But I’m far from having the whole picture… though I do think I have a fairly good overall outline of it.

What thrilled me was seeing b’s last 2 articles about the situation in Syria making the same points I’ve been making - and even citing some sources I’ve posted links to. Not that I believe I am ahead of our webmaster. I echo him, and meander down the streams of links he posts far more than what may appear to be vice versa (as he may not have even read my comments or visited those links thorough my posts). But it’s been quite reaffirming to see him making the same analyses on several points.

Then again, I’d written a longish post yesterday tying together the Anglo-Zionist power elite, and their hugely disproportionate ownership and control over each arm of the octopus, but it doesn’t seem to have made the grade. Oh well. Keeps me grounded. ;-)

At least I haven’t had to read any comments of the “Assad and Putin already won the war,” “Brilliant 4-D Chess Champion Trump is pulling out of Syria” and “Putin is forcing Iran out of Syria” sort recently.

I was also quite happy to see Pft reference the Bank of International Settlements (to which I devoted two comments a short while back) as BIS is almost never mentioned in any “news” or analysis, in either MSM or “alternative media” - which of course is just the way they’ve been keeping it since 1930.

If the Global Fascist World Order has a headquarters where the decision-makers meet to make their nefarious plans, BIS sure seems to fit the bill.

For any who haven’t read it yet, the articles here will enlighten the gentle reader about this beast.

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 5 2018 21:12 utc | 152

Modest to a fault Daniel @ 154 !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 5 2018 21:25 utc | 153

Pft @152

Still pushing your IQ Test as a valid measurement tool for all sorts of geopolitical/economic/social outcomes narrative I see. Social Darwinism is another of those things for which I cite the lyrics, “When will we ever learn?”

First, I don’t know if you ever understood my repeated point that somethings that you and I would no doubt agree is “intelligence” has been plummeting in the USofA for some time now.

Next, as George Carlin would say, “You know how stupid the average American is. Now picture that half of them are even dumber!”

How many in his audience actually got the terrific piece of humor embedded in his (“of course, I’m not talking about my audience”) attempt to awaken the deliberately dumbed-down American worker/consumer?

I used to tell it this way. Did you hear about the National Association of Short Americans? Yeah, they are trying to get a law passed requiring that every business with more than 50 employees must ensure that half of them be shorter than the other half.

“Used to tell it” because I got tired of having to explain that it’s a joke (that my outraged accuser was too dense and/or too PC to understand). About half would get angry at the PC culture forcing “job creators” to jump through such hoops, but almost as many got angry at me for my insensitivity to the vertically challenged.

Because, of course, IQ Tests results are calibrated such that half of the tested group scores below 100 and half over. 100 is the median, regardless of what numeric score that equals. They were intended to measure differences in individuals within a group, not comparisons of groups.

Did you watch this 17 minute video any of the times I’ve posted it?

You see, there are clearly many types of intelligence. It should surprise no one that a test designed for Western-educated minds shows Western-educated minds are best! LOL.

As an archaeologist, I would often ask smug “intellectuals” if they knew how to identify which rocks will fracture conchoidally? Or, once having such a stone, could knap it into an arrow point? Then, shave out a shaft and haft the point and feathers? Pick the right kind of wood and fashion a bow and know how to make a string?

We haven’t even touched on the knowledge and intelligence needed to successfully hunt an animal, clean and prepare and cook it (make fire?!?). And chances are, my whole audience would be dead before accomplishing even the first steps.

Yet tens of thousands of years ago, pretty much everybody had such knowledge (some used atlatls instead of bows, but similar levels of brilliance were needed). And they knew how to use that knowledge. Our hunter/gatherer ancestors were likely every bit as intelligent (and with just as much variation) as we are. They just knew and had to figure out different stuff.

As a sailing instructor, I would take my charges out into the night air, and teach them how to identify just a dozen or so of the more prominent stars. I stopped being shocked early on that few knew what the stage of the moon was or even how long is a synodic month (let alone that there are different ways to measure a month).

And yet, almost every human knew those things up until the advent of street lighting blinded us to the majestic night sky. But then again, our great-grandparents didn’t know how to Tweet! Though grammar school graduates ca. 1900 had to compute compound interest rates. Fair trade?

So, to blame , as that author does, whatever IQ tests measure for the results of 500 years of brutal colonial, post-colonial then neo-liberal policies and the corruption of some individuals of the indigenous peoples in selling out their brothers and sisters for 30 pieces of silver is… well, not smart. ;-)

For the single indicator that is the most accurate predictor of any individual’s “success” in acquiring wealth is how wealthy are the parents. Class mobility within the US is lower today than any other OECD country, and lower even than some “under-developed” countries.

Finally, to what may have been your important point. Yes. “They” have gotten away with so much that at times I swear they’re just f*cking with us. I recently pointed out that the second Novichock poisoning occured on Muggleston Road. Muggles being the imaginary “dumb” people in the Harry Potter books, who lack the greater powers of our heroes.

But then I see polls/surveys (which we may wish to believe) that show that 2/3 to 3/4 of USAmericans don’t believe the Warren Commission Report, and more than half don’t believe the Official Conspiracy Theory on 9/11. The Guardian has to cut off comments to their articles about NOVICHOCK and “sarin gas attacks” in Syria because no one who believes them is commenting.

So, I remain hopeful. After all, it doesn’t take all of us, or even most of us to see and admit the truth for us to change the course of history.

And the intelligence that matters is figuring out how to get there from here.

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 5 2018 22:53 utc | 154


I understand IQ is not a perfect measure of intelligence but in lieu of any other metric I will use it . Granted perhaps some of it is a function of efucation. Illiterates dont test well but if you cant answer any of those 6 questions in the link you are dumb, dumb, dumb

Granted we agree Americans are getting dumber regardless of the measure

My feeling is that much of what Americans believe is based more on faith than reason. Politics has become a secular religion in the absence or diminution of theosophy in life. There is a healthy skepticism of government but its directed at opposing parties for the most part that prevents their part from doing right

I confess to being dumb myself, seeing no way out of fixing a system thats basically a runaway train. There is no unifying force among the non elites. The country is culturally, economically, racially, sexually, and politically divided. Although they say America is a Christian country that religion has been so divided and duted in moral value it can not be said to be a unifying force

A new religion may be the best chance to unify the cognitively challenged, but all religions in the civilized world have been created by the elites of the times for their own purposes. I speculated before I believe the elite may be unified based on an exclusive occult religion . Might get back to that theme after some more research. I do believe AGW was an attempt to begin a new religion for the masses. Maybe thats the best route (lesser evil) although one faction of the elite (neocons/zionists) seems violently opposed to going in that direction

Posted by: Pft | Sep 5 2018 23:49 utc | 155


One additional point. You have a good point that the knowledge and intelligence required for success during much of mans history is quite different than today. We live in a technical world today that is pursuing robotics , automation and AI at a rapid pace. Unlike in much of mans history bring able bodied and fertile does not count for much. Its all about cognitive ability today. The elite class economically and politically are also for the most part the cognitive elite

At what point does modern man at the elite level consider the bottom 50-70% as being left behind the evolutionary jump thry may claim to have made themselves?. Did homo sapiens have any moral qualms about the neanderthals extinction?. Perhaps helping them along when the chance came?

Posted by: Pft | Sep 6 2018 0:02 utc | 156

Trump won't strangle kittens!

This is essentially the message from a "senior official" in the Trump Administration who wrote an Op-Ed in the NYTimes saying that a few staffers are working against Trump.

As it turns out, the only area of disagreement mentioned is FOREIGN POLICY.

While Party partisans are hammering on 'resistence' and 'loyality' themes, what this Op-Ed really did was absolve Trump from responsibility for aggressive foreign policy/military action in the coming weeks.

Or did it? How could a President that is against strangling kittens sit by while his staff does just that? If the President really cared about the kittens he would act against those that argue for the strangling and then proceed against his wishes.

Interestingly, Circe and I had a discussion at MoA a few days ago regarding whether Trump had the gumption to take the decisive action that neocon chickenhawks demand. We both believed that the neocons would prevail but disagreed as to WHY. Circe believes that neocons have upsurped power and if Trump won't take action, neocons would force him out, while I believe that Trump is a team player (e.g. in league with the neocons) so he would leave of his own accord (for example, by resigning after pardoning Manafort and Cohen).

But Circe and I were both wrong! By painting Trump as ignorant and erratic, the Administration gives him cover so that Trump can have his chocolate cake (with fireworks) and eat it too.

Trump is part of the team. That's why the team has absolved him. That's why he does nothing when kittens are strangled. QED

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 6 2018 1:12 utc | 157

@156 daniel.. i enjoyed your post.. thanks!~

@158 pft.. your comments reminded me of a book i just read recently - homo dues... you might find it interesting, or not!

@159 jr.. interesting overview.. thanks.. trump and his neo con trope are going to strangle kittens and more.. they have been doing it since he got in office.. nothing has changed, in spite of the empty words to the contrary..

here in an article from ej magneir from today - The USA oblivious to the rise of a resistance movement in response to its interference in Iraqi elections..

i like the opening paragraph - "While domestic US politics are dominated by stories of foreign interference in US elections, the US government seems oblivious that its open efforts to control the politics of Iraq may be fostering a genuine resistance movement with dire consequences for the United States."

the irony and hypocrisy is regularly on full display..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2018 1:31 utc | 158

I wrote earlier this week that Kissinger's eulogy speech at McCain's memorial service was an omen for Trump. Trump has become a liability and has fallen out of favor with his Zionist masters and he's going to be replaced by Pence who will solidify every crazy policy Trump has initiated. Trump did nothing for Russia except delay the 2nd Cold War which Pence will usher in. He tore up the Iran deal, and was ready to have Assad executed. He declared Jerusalem Israel's capital and is cutting all funding to the Palestinians. He's trying to start a trade war with Canada and China. It already looks like a soft coup to oust Trump is in the works; not that Trump isn't providing the rope.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 5, 2018 9:12:38 PM | 159
(JYT anonymous op-ed)

Imo, 'anonymous' was doing Trump's bidding. The op-ed is flushing a lot of demented ideologues out of the woodwork and will strengthen Trump's position with the Deplorables. Trump's list of Disposables is getting longer...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 7 2018 4:59 utc | 162

@ Hoarsewhisperer & Jackrabbit about NYT op-ed

Thanks for the perspectives. I have been trying to understand it among the myriad other factors at play and believe that Trump is pulling out all the stops to not be ousted in some "legal" manner, whether it is the women payoffs, the shoddy business/election dealings, the office of president abuse, etc. While one can view his actions with various optics, the feverish nature of them seems to be increasing.

As to who is and will continue to support him. I keep reading that the evangelicals continue to be his main support group and so if the op-ed was from Pence then the knives are coming out and his days really are numbered. If not then its the faith breathers plus the racists and never-going-to-share types which I estimate at 20 -25 percent of Americans max....but still enough to continue to control the message/narrative.

We are still building to a climax here. What the heck is going to come out the other end of this circus routine we are watching transpire?

Totally OT but I just closed my sliding door to the VERY strong smell of my new rental digs for a little less than a month....grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 7 2018 5:37 utc | 163

Let me add another reason why the Western elite are pushing hard for a new empire base other than the US

China Just Tested Several Dozen Hypersonic Missiles The US Can't Defend Against

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 7 2018 5:50 utc | 164

James@168 . Thanks for the referral. I saw this on the on the Amazon description

"The way humans have treated animals is a good indicator for how upgraded humans will treat us."

The author is an Israeli professor, he may well have said the way Israelis treat the Palestinians

Unfortunately I fear it is true. Glad I am near the end w/o kids to worry about.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 7 2018 6:44 utc | 165

I do believe Trump will be removed from office before his term ends. Woodwards book and the NYT anonymous article are basically conditioning his base for such an event by pointing to his instability and unfitness. Whomever Pence choses as his VP will determine his fate. Born Catholic So I would not insure him, especially if its someone like Kushner to appease Trumps base.

Also, Trump has far better things to do in his few remaining years than be President. I still believe he was coerced into running. They got something on everyone. Either that or face RICO charges and lose everything

Posted by: Pft | Sep 7 2018 6:54 utc | 166

S @141. It was smashing. Do more please!

Posted by: Merlin2 | Sep 7 2018 7:24 utc | 167

We are still building to a climax here. What the heck is going to come out the other end of this circus routine we are watching transpire?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 7, 2018 1:37:05 AM | 165

Well, something is going on, especially with the 5 Eyes and variations thereof. A couple of days ago I set the HDD attached to the TV to record a program scheduled to be broadcast in the wee small hours, before retiring to slumberland. The subject, paraphrased, was "What's going wrong with Demockracy and How can we fix it?" in the wake of Turnbull's overthrow by the other pro-Israel, pro-AmeriKKKa, pro Corporate Criminality scumbags in the Liberal Party.
Luckily, and unusually, I was awoken by a 'call of nature' and realised the program was due to start in a couple of minutes. I decided to watch the first few minutes to see if it would be worth recording and watching. Before I'd made up my mind the screen went blank and a "No Signal" box started hopping around the blank screen - just long enough to disrupt and stop the recording.

Muttering "Hello, 'ello, 'ello?! What's all this then?" I pressed RECORD and kept watching, curiosity aflame. It turned out that the failings raised, and the solution proposed, were unusually relevant and thoughtful. It also turned out that there were 4 more "No Signal" events during the first 20 minutes of the broadcast. So the file in the video contents index is 5 small snippets followed by a 38 minute concluding chunk.
Howzat for blatant Info Management!?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 7 2018 8:06 utc | 168

“Russian Revolution? It was not a revolution, it was an INVASION of mercenaries from Eastern Europe paid by the Jewish Bankers in New York and the Rothschild's in London.” - Alexandr Solzhenitsyn.

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 7 2018 9:50 utc | 169

Free Dareen Tatour!

Dareen Tatour is a Palestinian poet under house arrest in Israel, arrested because of a poem/video she posted on Facebook, called "Resist, My People, Resist them"

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 7 2018 11:39 utc | 170

Thanks for the link. I knew that Universities were going downhill but I had no idea how bad current essays in 'scholarship' were.

I got down to this:
". In Putin's Russia, much of the confusion traces back to the intentional semantic obfuscation of Soviet and Russian ideologists, who, as Mykola Riabchuk and Taras Kuzio show in this issue, used fascist as a synonym for anti-communist or anti-Russian. As a result, any perceived enemy of Putin's Russia is a fascist, with the bizarre Orwellian result that Ukrainian, Estonian, and other non-Russian democrats are termed fascist by the propaganda apparatus of what in fact is a fascist system..."

In other words the Ukrainian regime is not fascist but democratic, whereas the Russian government is fascist.
Such an assertion could not have been made more presciently because it was just this week that one of the leading figures in the new Ukraine told a TV interviewer that he and his party are "inspired by the Fuhrer" who he called the "greatest democrat of the twentieth century."

As to the use of "fascist as a synonym for anti-communist or anti-Russian". Any definition that does not recognise that fascism has always been a reaction against socialism and communism is worthless. Whilst, given the overt racism of fascist treatment of slavs, it is quite understandable that the actual enmity of fascists to Russians be recognised. Indeed in the Ukraine today the fascists regularly describe their opponents as Muscovites or Russians.

After that the article just gets worse. It is a cheap polemic in an academic world in which conformity with the ruling ideology of a ruling class committed to warmongering is a necessity for those looking for permanent gigs.

So, thanks ALAN, but "No thanks."

Posted by: bevin | Sep 7 2018 15:06 utc | 171

@167 pft.. yes - israeli prof, but also a vegan and someone who practices meditation which he attributes as helping to make him a better person, or bring more clarity.. i think many people in israel today are very unhappy with the issue of palestine, however they are much outnumbered by the orthodox voting block that demands something very different of their leadership... i remain positive about that, in spite of the horrific actions of israel on the world stage..

@173 bevin.. as always - thanks for posting here.. i usually get an education from you and debs almost every time you both post..

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2018 16:24 utc | 172

a comment from Jimmy Moglia for The Saker Blog" entitled Post Scriptum on Scripal:

"Irving Kristol’s son is Bill, a quintessential neo-conservative. In an interview with the New York Times, said that, in the term “Neo-Cons”, ‘neo’ means ‘new’ and ‘con’ means ‘Jews.’

A statement probably and pragmatically true, considering the ostentatious influence of the neo-cons, especially in foreign policies.

But Kristol’s frankness also shines a light onto the elephant that polite (and supposedly clever) people in the room must ignore. For if Joe Biden, VP of the United States says, as he did, for example, that Judaic influence were behind same-sex marriage, he is applauded. But if someone who disagrees with same-sex marriages says the same thing he is an anti-Semite.

It is OK to say that Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction. But a Gentile quoting the New York Times – which claims that without the neo-cons there would not have been a war in Iraq – is anti-Semitic.

I borrow from Michael Jones ( E. Michael Jones, neem ik aan.) a schematic description of the characteristics of the “neo-conservatives.”

The quotes mean that Conservatism is too wide a notion to be compressed into a verbal label. Or rather, that there is both a practical and an ideological divide between neo-cons and more traditional American conservatives, an issue outside the scope of this post.

However, it is demonstrably true that today’s neo-cons are an extension of Judaic-Israeli interests, politics and ideology.

Whose characteristics can be described as follows:

1— A deep concern with furthering specific Judaic interests, such as helping Israel or promoting immigration (in the US and Europe).

2— Issues are framed in a rhetoric of universalism rather than Judaic particularism. (e.g. mass immigration is good in itself and who opposes it is a racist – exception made for Israel that opposes it, but is not racist.)

3— Issues are framed in moral terms, and an attitude of moral superiority pervades the movement.

4— Key cultural ideas are centered around charismatic leaders. For example, Boas (Darwin was wrong – there are no races, only superstructures), Trotsky, Freud, etc. Interested readers may check the post, “The Fraud of Freud.”)

5— Judaic thought forms a cohesive, mutually reinforcing core.

6— Some Gentiles appear in highly visible roles, but act as spokespersons for the movement. See for example the US representative at the UN – a pawn of wickedness in the guise of a woman, in whom penury of knowledge and vulgarity of sentiment were never so unhappily disguised.

7— A pronounced ingroup/outgroup atmosphere within the movement—dissenters are portrayed as the personification of evil and are expunged from the movement.

8— The movement is irrational in the sense that it is fundamentally concerned with using available intellectual resources to advance a political cause.

9— The movement is associated with the most prestigious academic institutions.

10— Access to prestigious and mainstream media sources, partly as a result of practical Judaic ownership of media and entertainment channels.

11— Active involvement of the wider Judaic community in supporting the movement.

12…, and, I will add, the extraordinary ability of the sect to be, appear and act as a monolith.

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 7 2018 20:29 utc | 173

Here it is!….the moment you’ve all been waiting for!

Debisdead and bevin performing Pink Floyd’s “Wish you were Here” at a Moon of Alabama meet-up

Posted by: bccurran | Sep 7 2018 21:52 utc | 174

Moon of Alabama’s theme song

Posted by: bccurran | Sep 7 2018 22:51 utc | 175

Drone Obama gave a pot calling the kettle black speech today. So-called Liberals over at Dailykos were swooning all over themselves with effusive praise for the previous charleton-in-chief.

The Zionist masters have outdone themselves. Bush, Obama and now Trump. Together they sure made America Dumber again. Liberals have learned nothing with this Trump karma; they're still enamoured with the previous Zionist con so they need another SIX YEARS of Trump. I hate to say this but Trump is still the necessary evil Americans need.

Damn you, wake up America: you're no longer an effing democracy!

Posted by: Circe | Sep 8 2018 3:08 utc | 176

James@174. I did not mean to blame the Israeli Prof on the way Israel treats the Palestinians.

It is true that about the only people who can criticize Israel without consequences are Israelis and Jews outside Israel, although even many of them are intimidated and self censor.

Unless steps are taken to remove the influence of Israel from western democracies, which is a far greater threat than Russias influence, nothing will change. Its been a growing problem for 100 years, and its been growing exponentially over the last 50 years. As I have said before its mainly an elite problem as the average Jew cares as much about his country of residence as any other person

Posted by: Pft | Sep 8 2018 3:32 utc | 177

@Circe 178

It is truly amazing how the anti-war left has virtually ceased to exist. I expected that it would wake up for Trump, if only out of blind partisanship, but no--the ostensible left, even the ostensible far left, can only criticize him for not being neocon enough.

Speaking of the Daily Kos, I experimented with setting up an account there recently. I got in three posts before being banned for being (what else?) a "Kremlin troll." And these were the people who protested in the streets against President Bush over the Iraq war.

It occurred to me that it's been 10 years since Bush left office, which was time for millions of Americans to come of age without any concept of the "anti-war left".

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Sep 8 2018 3:39 utc | 178

Speaking of Israelis influence on the west , one must understand also that Russia is not immune.

Consider that Moscow has the largest Israeli-expatriate community in the world, with 80,000 Israeli citizens. Hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens reside in Israel, from around 1.5 million native Russian-speaking Israelis. There are 60 flights a week between Tel Aviv and Moscow, and visa-free travel. Russia (411,400) was second only to the United States (602,600) in its number of tourists to Israel in 2014. Media coverage is heavily influenced by Russian Israelis and is naturally pro-Israeli. .

In 2011, Putin said: "Israel is, in fact, a special state to us. It is practically a Russian-speaking country. Israel is one of the few foreign countries that can be called Russian-speaking. It's apparent that more than half of the population speaks Russian". Putin additionally claimed that Israel could be considered part of the Russian cultural world, and contended that "songs which are considered to be national Israeli songs in Israel are in fact Russian national songs". He further stated that he regarded Russian-speaking Israeli citizens as his compatriots and part of the 'Russian world'

Russia is Israel's main supplier of oil . Trade has more than tripled since 2005.

Posted by: Pft | Sep 8 2018 3:56 utc | 179

@179 pft.. thanks.. i agree with you! thanks for the additional info @181.. i was kind of aware of some of that, but not all of it!

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2018 4:30 utc | 180

The guy who wrote the following piece, Constitutional Crisis and the Trump Presidency….David Frum

Is one of a tightly-knit gaggle of Israeli spies and assets deeply embedded within the (((Deep State))) whose job is to steer the military might of America headlong into WWIII

with the Islamic world and Russia.

Frum, along with Eliot Cohen, Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, Jennifer Rubin, Max Boot and others have been working feverishly since election season 2016 first in trying to prevent Trump’s nomination/election and now, having failed in that endeavor, are trying even more feverishly to bring him down.

They don’t care about the nice things he has said and done about/for Israel. They don’t care about his "Jew-rusalem" thing. They don’t care about his bombing two empty airfields in Syria. They don’t care about his dropping the Iran deal.

What they want is war, war, and more war, and because Trump is so far reluctant to give it to them, they have decided that he has to go.

Also note, in the very FIRST sentence of Frum’s piece (as took place in the OpEd published the other day by his NeoConservative confrere Max Boot), that it is obvious what all these Judaic warlords and warlocks are trying to bring about with their verbal black magic

Impeaching and replacing Trump with Mike Pence

–A died-in-the-wool Christian Zionist who believes that the god of Israel must get the wars and bloodshed that he demands, come hell or high water.

Posted by: bccurran | Sep 8 2018 4:31 utc | 181

@ Mona Ahmed Zaki 175

Debisdead said to ignore you because you’re a hasbara troll, also bevin called you an an evil anti-semite for believing Solzhenitsyn’s final book where he accuses (((bolsheviks))) of murdering 60 million Christians.

Let's face it: Even if what Solzhenitsyn wrote is 100 percent true, those 60 million were only goyim cattle, so what’s the big deal?

It was anti-semitic for Solzhenitsyn even mention this, 60 million goyim is nothing, and that’s why his book, "200 Years Together" had to be banned

However, despite it being forbidden, I confess to sneaking a quick glance at your comment anyway

you wrote: “It is OK to say that Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction. But a Gentile quoting the New York Times – which claims that without the neo-cons there would not have been a war in Iraq – is anti-Semitic.”

Noticing this kind of double standard is anti-semitic, don’t you know that yet?

As for as E. Michael Jones schematic description of neocons, whose characteristics he described as follows:

1— A deep concern with furthering specific Judaic interests, such as helping Israel or promoting immigration (in the US and Europe)

2— Issues are framed in a rhetoric of universalism rather than Judaic particularism. (e.g. mass immigration is good in itself and who opposes it is a racist – exception made for Israel that opposes it, but is not racist.)

skip 3 thru 9

10— Access to prestigious and mainstream media sources, partly as a result of practical Judaic ownership of media and entertainment channels.

Again, noticing these kind of things is anti-semitic. If they happen to be true, that's irrelevant because being accused of anti-semitism is so much worse!

I don’t have any counter-argument, so go away, hasbara troll, and stop interrupting the (((flow of debate))) here

Posted by: bccurran | Sep 8 2018 10:42 utc | 182

Correction @178 it's charlatan-in-chief

@180 Consider it a badge of honor to be banned at Dailykos. You can't say anything bad about king O and queen H or that the Dem party betrayed the left because they'll send you a personal message telling you that they disappeared your comment, and forcing you to acknowledge receipt or you will be banned until you do. It's a Zionist-operated site; the Liberal version of Breitbart. Brainwash tools on both sides. They use censorship to control any kind of dissent, and then they whine about so many on the Left stying home, or voting a third party at elections.

The reason the anti-war left is nonexistent in the Dem party is because Zionists ensured by various means that Americans would eventally see foreign policy through their twisted lens. In Israel there is no Jewish left; it's as fake a left as the Democrats. So there is no Democracy in Israel for that and other more serious reasons and the U.S. political system has become a reflection of the Zionist one; no democracy; it's always rigged by big Zionist money and influence on both sides of the aisle in Congress with very few exceptions over the years dissenting against such influence and being marginalized for doing so.

The anti-war left has been shunned from the political spectrum altogether thanks to the over-powering influence of Zionism in politics.

Posted by: Circe | Sep 8 2018 12:39 utc | 183

Canto XLV

With Usura

With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,

with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,

with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,

with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his tone
weaver is kept from his loom

wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning.

Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.

Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel

It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;

Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom

They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.

- Ezra Pound

Posted by: bccurran | Sep 8 2018 16:01 utc | 184

@ bccurran 186

Thank you! Reciting Pound's Cantos here reminds me of that lovely scene of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes in a punt on the River Cam, with her reciting Chaucer to cows on the river bank as she stood up in the punt

Posted by: Mona Ahmed Zaki | Sep 8 2018 19:40 utc | 185

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Posted by: دامن کلوش | Sep 23 2018 15:36 utc | 186

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