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August 2, 2018
Open Thread 2018-38
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b, fyi — last night my isp blocked your site for offensive political content via a censorship utility from OpenDNS, now owned by Cisco. Perhaps related to Twitter censorship through Elad Gil. Key person David Ulevitch who is on staff at Cisco and tied to Dyn INC. Perhaps just a system test on somebody unimportant. Sites to be blocked are selected anonymously, according to info on the Open DNS entry at Wikipedia. Please advise us all how to find you by numeric address. God bless us all! Posted by: mireille | Aug 2 2018 20:12 utc | 1 @mireille Posted Aug 2, 2018 4:12:00 PM Posted by: Hal Duell | Aug 2 2018 20:25 utc | 2 @1/2 is that a byproduct of living in the nsa, er usa? i am curious.. Posted by: james | Aug 2 2018 20:28 utc | 3 Excellent Fake News recap in light of recent censorship allegations aimed at Facebook and Twitter. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2018 20:40 utc | 4 james @3– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2018 20:52 utc | 5 Oman as Iran/USA go-between? Instead of playing warmonger, Trump might have gained attention from Iranian leaders if he’d offered peace-related gifts instead, but he’s blown that opportunity. The Outlaw US Empire broke international law by its unilateral withdraw from JCPOA and then demanded all other nations collude in its lawbreaking. We shall soon see which nations have the proper morals/ethics to stand up to such bullying and shout NO! as many important nations have already. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2018 21:10 utc | 6 Wikileaks Retweets an important Glenn Greenwald thread. Regardless of how The Intercept is viewed by barflies, Glenn gets to be correct occasionally. There are some real whoppers within the thread, so beware if you’re drinking while reading! Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2018 21:29 utc | 7 Trump needs at least for Russia to turn a blind eye to a US strike on Iran. Perhaps Trump will risk it anyway, but if not, he and the US will be left hung out to dry. They have burnt their bridges by pulling out of the nuke deal and threats of secondary sanctions. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Aug 2 2018 21:51 utc | 8 Christopher Bollyn is a brave US journalist who is an authority on 9/11 and the origins of the War on Terror or what he calls the War of Terror – interesting what a difference a tiny preposition can make. Among many other things, he shows how Netanyahu was already publishing stuff on a war on terror in the late 1970s. His website is well worth a read: http://www.bollyn.com/home/ Posted by: Lochearn | Aug 2 2018 22:22 utc | 9 @karlof1@6…. Forgive me sir, my understanding was that the JCPOA was up for renewal by POTUS every six/eight months anyways, not entirely sure not renewing it is against international law. Are we sure on that? I think it was wrong to step away from the ‘deal’ however not so sure withdrawing is breaking laws. Please advise. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 2 2018 22:27 utc | 10 Trump is completely cutting off Iran’s access to all markets. They cannot buy, sell, or trade in the world financial markets. November 4 the final touches will be put in place. War will not come soon because Trump is attempting to make the internal revolution happen. Trump is turning the screws on China to make them comply to his trade demands. He is turning up the heat this week again to make up for the weakening of the Yuan currency. Posted by: dltravers | Aug 2 2018 22:36 utc | 11 UK witch hunt against Corbyn could be repeated here if a truly progressive candidate garners major public support. This likely would be even more savage than the deep state war on Trump. Posted by: Ace Hanlon | Aug 2 2018 22:46 utc | 12 More works Russia/Israel, Posted by: Zanon | Aug 2 2018 22:47 utc | 13 ..at the same time: Posted by: Zanon | Aug 2 2018 22:48 utc | 14 Latest news from the ongoing circus over in Salisbury and Amesbury is that Dawn Sturgess has been farewelled by family and friends at Salisbury Crematorium. Posted by: Jen | Aug 2 2018 22:58 utc | 15 Tannenhouser @10– Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 2 2018 23:04 utc | 16
Out of consideration for the sensibilities of those who did not come only to drink, @ 15 Posted by: Lochearn | Aug 2 2018 23:33 utc | 18 Israel Has No Right to Self-Defense Against Gaza Posted by: ben | Aug 2 2018 23:49 utc | 19 @ Lochearn | 9 Posted by: Ort | Aug 2 2018 23:58 utc | 20 “Koch-Funded Hit Piece Backfires: Shows Medicare for All Would Save ‘Whopping $2 Trillion’ Over Ten Years While Covering Everybody” Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2018 0:01 utc | 21 @1 mireille Posted by: b4real | Aug 3 2018 0:19 utc | 22 20- Using that graphic was in poor taste, but I’ve never heard Bollyn say anything Judaiphobic, he is very critical of Zionism and has devoted a decade plus of research to the role that Israel, Mossad and US zionist deep state figures played in the staging of 9/11 and the creation of the “War on Terror”. I’ve long followed his work and his research is impeccable. He may be widely reviled by those scared of the truth if it points to a reality that would shatter their world view, but he has not been discredited. If your friend has any links that discredit any of what Bollyn has stated in his 9/11 analysis, rather than just ad hominem attacks and pointing out a poster, than I’d love to read them. I suggest you check out his presentations. The “War on Terror” media narrative and its corresponding acts of spectacular violence were created as an excuse to get the US military to attack many Muslim countries hostile to Israel as well as a way to delegitimize Islam in general and the Palestinian’s right to resist Israeli occupation. None of this started with 9/11 as Bollyn has shown, it is much older and involves many other events, actors and deceptions. Yes, it was hatched by Israeli Zionists and US Neocons along with their Saudi Wahabi allies; and no, pointing this out and researching it does not mean one believes that any ethnicity, religion or people inferior or evil. Posted by: Jason | Aug 3 2018 0:22 utc | 23 @ 20 Posted by: Lochearn | Aug 3 2018 0:25 utc | 24 Hal Duell 2 Posted by: Curtis | Aug 3 2018 0:41 utc | 25 Ort@20 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 0:45 utc | 26 I agree with Pft 26. I recently read a short 9/11 book by Bollyn that had an intro by Sabrosky. Bollyn is very much anti-zionist but not “anti-semite” in most ways it’s defined (except the one that says thou shalt not criticize the actions of Israel, powers of AIPAC, etc). Posted by: Curtis | Aug 3 2018 0:54 utc | 27 Pft @ 26 said:”Any criticism of Israel is enough to get you labelled as an anti-semite.” Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2018 1:04 utc | 28 @26/27 Early AD Gnostics believed the Jews worshipped the Demiurge or “Leontocephalos”, the Lion-headed false God, also associated with Saturn. Was Yahwe the usurper? Or did they refer to some Jews (priesthood) who worshipped in secret other Gods such as Moloch/Baal/Remphan/Tammuz? Did this practice continue down generations to be found among elite Khazar&Kabar descended Zionists? One wonders.. Posted by: Lozion | Aug 3 2018 1:15 utc | 29 @29 Also are Alawites, Gnostic descendants of Greeks & Levantines not themselves in an existential struggle against those same Zionists? Posted by: Lozion | Aug 3 2018 1:22 utc | 30 Lochearn @ 18: Posted by: Jen | Aug 3 2018 1:25 utc | 31 Jen@41 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 1:42 utc | 32 @ dltravers | 11
Dont worry, it wont be as bad for Iran as it was pre-2015, and unilateral sanctions will be even less effective, as more and more countries will be refusing to comply with US illegal diktat. Even those who are forced to comply (like spineless EU), will be dealing under the table with Iran. No disconnect from SWIFT either, and in any case this time there is an alternative. Posted by: Harry | Aug 3 2018 2:31 utc | 33 Harry@33 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 2:44 utc | 34 Had RT on about 9:20 am today when it suddenly went black: after many years of access – with a standard cable package – Rogers cable in Thornhill Ontario has just removed RT (channel 177) from the VIP package that our condo corporation bulk purchased on behalf of over 200 townhomes just a year or two ago. Watching RT on the net now. Fuck Rogers. Posted by: spudski | Aug 3 2018 3:07 utc | 35 11 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 3 2018 3:10 utc | 36 Jen, Pft, Lochern
>> As he grieves, the son thinks to ‘virtue signal’ that he is not a Trump supporter? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2018 3:19 utc | 37 21 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 3 2018 3:26 utc | 38 Harry @33 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 3 2018 3:37 utc | 39 The ABC Radio National in Australia is getting more and more desperate in producing propaganda, be it Russia, Syria or Iran. Some of the guests in Fran Kelly’s morning Breakfast program were utter disgusting. Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Aug 3 2018 4:14 utc | 40 Chipnik@38 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 4:21 utc | 41 @37 Jackrabbit, Posted by: Jonathan | Aug 3 2018 4:52 utc | 42 Had RT on about 9:20 am today when it suddenly went black: after many years of access – with a standard cable package – Rogers cable in Thornhill Ontario has just removed RT (channel 177) from the VIP package that our condo corporation bulk purchased on behalf of over 200 townhomes just a year or two ago. Watching RT on the net now. Fuck Rogers. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 3 2018 4:56 utc | 43 Jackrabbit | Aug 2, 2018 11:37:46 PM | 39
IMHO their “to do something” is sanctions + inciting unrest, they cant do anything more than that, no actual war is possible. US military isnt that crazy, regardless what Nutjobyahoo wants. Trump also knows the limitations, hence lots of hot air vs NK but no action, same will be vs Iran. The difference that Iran doesnt even bother to negotiate with Trump. Btw Khamenei said in 2015 that US will eventually break the agreement, and he was right. Posted by: Harry | Aug 3 2018 4:57 utc | 44 Regarding the fairness of the recent election in Pakistan, there is a piece in the Indian Express by S Y Quraishi, the former Chief Election Commissioner of India, who was there as a member of the Commonwealth Election Observers Group. His conclusion is that the election was conducted in a transparent manner, with robust processes. Posted by: sarz | Aug 3 2018 5:03 utc | 45 Peter Schmidt @40 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 3 2018 6:07 utc | 46 Ort @ 20 Posted by: sarz | Aug 3 2018 6:31 utc | 47 mireille @1 Posted by: Drive-by Commenting | Aug 3 2018 7:15 utc | 48 mireille @1 Posted by: Drive-by Commenting | Aug 3 2018 7:29 utc | 49 Harry 44 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Aug 3 2018 7:44 utc | 50 BEIRUT, LEBANON (9:00 A.M.) – China will allegedly assist the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in their upcoming battle in southwestern Idlib, the Chinese Ambassador to Syria, Qi Qianjin, told Al-Watan this week. Posted by: Harry | Aug 3 2018 7:54 utc | 51 Richplanet features a new 9/11 documentary reviewing especially some of the alternative story and ‘thruthers’ around that topic. Specially when you never heard of Dr Jody Woods and her court cases fighting the official fake narrative its worth your time. You can watch it Here. Posted by: youss | Aug 3 2018 8:10 utc | 52 Thanks Tungsten @46. I rarely listen to MSM now. Previously I bought an in car digital radio, so I listened to the BBC. I knew they were (are) biased, but I can’t take commercial channels. I got rid of it not long ago. No more BBC, don’t even visit their website. I know she’s a hardliner, pretending to be a progressive, yet all she interviews are shills like Clapper and various think tank figures. She never challenges them on anything. Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Aug 3 2018 9:07 utc | 53 Putin 1999 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Aug 3 2018 9:38 utc | 54 Harry @50: Posted by: Ian | Aug 3 2018 10:54 utc | 55 @13 “More works Russia/Israel,” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 3 2018 11:01 utc | 56 as my earlier post regarding possible sources why people could have problems accessing internet sites and link to a new 9/11 documentary shining some lights on potential companies/persons behind the event and parts of the ‘911 truth’ movement, went down the rabbit hole: Posted by: youss | Aug 3 2018 11:40 utc | 57 Peter AU@-52 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 11:46 utc | 58 sarz @47: Yeah, Ron Unz’s piece is excellent. We need new language, like ‘pro-semitism’ and ‘black privilege’ to describe some aspects of our current reality. Posted by: fairleft | Aug 3 2018 12:20 utc | 59 People need to stop thinking in 2 dimensions. Posted by: Pft | Aug 3 2018 12:32 utc | 60 Harry @50 and Ian @53: The Chinese are still much too provincial (“We only fight Uygurs!”) and cautious for where their rising economy places them in the world power game. That might be a good thing when and if they are ever the world’s unquestioned #1. But getting there requires a successful economic and to some extent military pushback in central and southwest Asia against the U.S. and its allies. If there is some day a serious rebellion in Xinjiang (I don’t think that’s at all likely), just like in Syria it’ll be all the U.S./Saudi terrorists/mercenaries, not just the Uygurs, fighting and terrorizing the Chinese state. Posted by: fairleft | Aug 3 2018 12:36 utc | 61 M4A. First I’ve seen that acronym. It could happen but the lobbyists whose inputs so dominated Medicare Part D and ACA/Obamacare wouldn’t like that. If they can be cut out of the picture all you’re left with is the government fixing prices and controlling costs – something insurance companies do to maximize their profits while giving us less coverage. (I’ve seen that with my “High Deductible” BCBS plan at work.) One problem with Medicare now is that many doctors refuse to admit patients on it because they know the reimbursements are so low. The Canadian-Americans I know like the Canadian system and say it works. There may be some delays but overall say you will get treatment. Posted by: Curtis | Aug 3 2018 12:39 utc | 62 The 2018 version of the Daily Kos “Nutroots” Convention is happening in New Orleans and lo and behold……minority concerns are allegedly being addressed. Wow. This event has been going down since at least 2006 (I remember cause I got banned that year from Boomans for satirizing the obvious sellout of the “nutroots” to the Democrat Party…having already been banned from Daily Kos itself of course). Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2018 13:41 utc | 63 Posted by: Pft | Aug 3, 2018 8:32:11 AM | 60 Curtis I have studied the US healthcare system for many years and I can assure you Medicare pays physicians about as well as the behemoth commercial insurance company monopolies do. Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2018 14:11 utc | 65 To Pft@60 in support of Russ@64 Posted by: juliania | Aug 3 2018 15:26 utc | 66 35 – Access to RT – spudski Posted by: Bart Hansen | Aug 3 2018 15:37 utc | 67 Outlaw US Empire suffers yet another defeat as ASEAN and China agree to new Code of Conduct for South China Sea. Adam Garrie reports: Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2018 15:50 utc | 68 @5 karlof1 quote “IMO, it’s the software being used that’s corrupted through updates.” maybe…i don’t have the problem… i wonder if it is something like everyone using google or something like that? obviously i don’t know why it is happening, but i am curious.. see @67 for another possible reason… the internet provider is not allowing certain sites to be viewable… maybe nikki haley gave verizon the ‘do not make available’ list to them? Posted by: james | Aug 3 2018 16:03 utc | 69 @49 Drive-by Commenting.. thanks for that informative post on the topic i was interested in and posted on @69… i missed your comment when i made the post @69.. Posted by: james | Aug 3 2018 16:05 utc | 70 Pft at 60. Posted by: donkeytale | Aug 3 2018 16:11 utc | 71 Jeffrey Stacey is yet another brilliant warmonger stenographer with whom I was not familiar until now. Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 3 2018 16:17 utc | 73 A repost from Unz Review: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/is-bill-browder-the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world/#new_comments Posted by: Anya | Aug 3 2018 16:43 utc | 74 In the meantime, while the US sheeple is diverted to transgenders woes and difficulties, the US Elite tries to instigate another war on Iran, but on Ziostans behalf, with the US paying and delivering the content in the body bags. Hmmnmm! Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 3 2018 16:44 utc | 75 i feel sorry for NathalieM – pat langs new punching bag.. Posted by: james | Aug 3 2018 17:14 utc | 76 As I noted above, Turkey is rapidly turning to the East in order to defeat the economic war being waged against it. Two major developments in this are Turkey’s issuance of bonds denominated in Yuan and agreeing with China to bilateral trade using national currencies. More news available here. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2018 17:16 utc | 77 75 Posted by: Chipnik | Aug 3 2018 17:20 utc | 78 @60 “The glue(s) that binds them” also has a genetic aspect to their belief system. At core, the Elite think they are of different blood from regular people. Since the dawn of civilisation, this separation (true or not, not being the point here) between those who have been consecrated by the Gods and rule and those who do not and are exploited has been the salient point behind their motives. They are not the same.. Posted by: Lozion | Aug 3 2018 17:27 utc | 79 Jen @ 31 said:”Life is not merely imitating art; art is functioning as propaganda and brainwashing.” Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2018 18:10 utc | 80 Posted by: Lozion | Aug 3, 2018 1:27:20 PM | 79 A very sober, and interesting discussion about Russia/U$A relations from TRNN. Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2018 18:33 utc | 82 @Jen 31 Posted by: TJ | Aug 3 2018 19:00 utc | 83 I glanced through this and found some ideas that felt familiar from MoA. Any thoughts? Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Aug 3 2018 19:10 utc | 84 Regarding my link @ 82; This NOT a hit piece on DJT, it’s a discussion more on Global capitalism. Posted by: ben | Aug 3 2018 19:16 utc | 85 @ Lozion et al: Posted by: Ort | Aug 3 2018 19:49 utc | 86 NATO’s “Summit Declaration” moves troops into direct confrontation with Russia: http://theduran.com/natos-summit-declaration-moves-troops-into-direct-confrontation-with-russia-video/ Posted by: Anya | Aug 3 2018 21:40 utc | 87 Another Trump surprise? Interesting article by Ellen Brown. Posted by: financial matters | Aug 3 2018 22:00 utc | 88 According to this article, FB removed a page setup by groups planning to crash a “unite the right” rally in DC. Posted by: gogaijin | Aug 3 2018 23:35 utc | 89 @81/86 So by extension, you can see where the concept of “The Chosen People” prevalent in Judaism comes from. YHWE was just one of the many Gods of the Canaanites but became the One God chosen by the priest-kings. Hence, to maintain their status and primacy, a “script” was devised so the notion of the “Chosen People” was inserted in the belief system, demoting the other Gods (and their priesthood) as false “idols”. The same scenario repeated itself in South Arabia much later. Remember that the Kaaba and Allah were venerated by the various bedouin tribes before Mohammed’s time. After his revelation, Mohammed chose Allah to become the “Only God” allowed in Islam. It was man’s choice and not the other way around.. Posted by: Lozion | Aug 4 2018 1:54 utc | 90 Thanks to commenters for the links to Ellen Brown’s piece on controlling the Fed – something I wouldn’t have thought possible if Ellen Brown had not suggested that it is – and also to the most recent piece by Ron Unz laying bare the secrets of the interests that create, and hide behind, the chimera of Semitism. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 4 2018 2:07 utc | 91 Had to come back just to share a Syria piece. Posted by: Grieved | Aug 4 2018 3:11 utc | 92 Anya @ 87 Posted by: spudski | Aug 4 2018 3:59 utc | 93 While I realise that everyone gets caught up in their own particular concern of a world that seems determined to self-destruct asap, I cannot claim any difference, I’ve been trying to keep a weather eye on a bloke who could perhaps if he catches a following wind make some difference to the world’s destrustrive trajectory. Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 4 2018 4:27 utc | 94 Is Erdogan’s economic mismanagement deliberate? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 4 2018 11:24 utc | 95 Watch while available: “The Magntsky Act and Bill Browder”: https://www.newnationalist.net/2018/07/the-magnitsky-act-behind-the-scenes-video-in-english/ Posted by: Anya | Aug 4 2018 11:26 utc | 96 A repost from Unz Review: Posted by: Anya | Aug 4 2018 11:29 utc | 97 “Is Bill Browder the Most Dangerous Man in the World?” by PHILIP GIRALDI Posted by: Anya | Aug 4 2018 11:30 utc | 98 Grieved @91
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