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July 27, 2018

'Western' Press Dislikes Imran Khan's Win In Pakistan's Election

Imran Khan election win in Pakistan receives a hostile reaction in U.S. and British media. The headlines are generally negative and the descriptions of Imran cast a damning light of him.

From the New York Times print edition front page:


The word "Pakistan" was probably too long for the valuable front-page space. Thus the NYT shortened it to "Nuclear-Armed Islamic Republic". The attribute "unpredictable" for Imran Khan is curious. (If one cuts out the "Islamic" the headline fits to Trump's election victory. Was that the intended joke?)

The piece by Jeffrey Gettleman repeats the "unpredictable" claim:

Friends and foes describe Mr. Khan, 65, as relentless, charming, swaggering and highly unpredictable.

But there is no evidence, not one example in the piece that supports that attribute. It describes how he, in the late 90s, entered politics:

Mr. Khan seized on a single issue: governance. ... He focused on corruption, repeatedly stating that a few political dynasties had shamelessly enriched themselves. ... [H]e seemed adept at not letting the gossip pages distract him, and he kept hammering on about corruption.

Corruption was also a main theme of his recent campaign. Imran's anti-corruption position has been a constant. His opposition to the U.S. war of terror also never changed. There is not one "unpredictable" bit in his political positions. Where then did that come from? Only in the very last paragraph that word returns:

Many analysts wonder how long Mr. Khan’s friendship with the military will last.

“He is known to have erratic behavior and a very unpredictable personality,” said Taha Siddiqui, a journalist and critic of the military who recently moved to France, saying he feared for his safety.

Siddiqui worked for an Indian TV channel and for France24. He has long been critical of Pakistan's military. In January he claimed that "he was attacked by up to a dozen men en route to the airport in Rawalpindi but managed to escape". He clearly dislikes that Imran Khan has good relations with Pakistan's military.  Why is that enough to make it in into a headline?

The London Times takes up the theme in this cartoon:


It's a cheap point. During the last 50 years there never was a prime minister of Pakistan who could act against the will of the powerful military. If the Bhutto clan and its PPP party or the Nawaz clan with PML-N had won the election their candidates would have had similar restrictions on foreign policy than Imran Khan will have.

The losing candidates will protest against the election results. They assert fraud but have yet to give examples for such.

The EU Election Observer Mission published its preliminary report. It lists some minor issues but seems satisfied. It reports no election fraud. It's most serious complain is the "uneven playing field". Via Dawn:

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad, EU Chief Observer Michael Gahler [...] said, “Despite positive changes to the legal framework with the new Elections Act, and a stronger and more transparent Election Commission, we consider that the electoral process of 2018 was negatively affected by the political environment.”

“Candidates with large political appeal and financial means, the so-called “electables” were reported to often dominate the campaign. Uneven rules on campaign spending further undermined candidates’ equal opportunity,” the EU EOM observed.

Rich candidates spend more than poor ones and have a higher chance of winning elections. That is unfair. Have we ever heard of any other 'democracy' with a similar problem?

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'Democracy' is a charade in which the brutal forces of wealth-expropriating Federal fascism select through shills and grifters candidates deemed to have 'shiney object' fascination value to the 'multi-party' Fraud. Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin. Wow, who selected them? Then the Corporate Socialist packs wing up the multi-color banners, and speak of liberty, freedom and democracy, while they continue to Purple-Hole 1/3rd of citizen's gross income to the real UniParty. The citizeny get wound up, the newspapers and TVs sell a lotta ink, Chinese manufacturerscsell a lot of hats and flags, there's an explosive day of lemming lines and crossed fingers, then another electoral college group of shills and grifters selects the Entertainer in Chief for the next four years, while the Deep Purple Mil.Gov UniParty ratchets up the bleedout of citizens last life savings that are never coming back to $5T for this go-around. E pluribus now get back to work. Election (sic) Day is over.

As my sainted mumm used to say the Sunday before National Election Day, when Red- and Blue-Koolaid fever was it's highest, 'Pick your poison! Rahh!' Then she would wave an imaginary flag on a stick, and smile at the snotty looks from the other after-church Sunday-brunch gnoshers.

Posted by: Chipnik | Jul 27 2018 19:08 utc | 1

never trust a khan or a cohen
khan the mayor of london is a proven asset blackmailed like his best buddy tory blair.
imran is friends with the queen has bred many times with the goldsmith clan bagmen for the rothschild octopus.

imran is a city of london chap the empire of the city of london.
when not being masonical deep under temple he was partying in the seperate country entity that is called londons west end.
like a scene from ancient rome spamking,wanking cocaine and camcorders.

never trust a khan

like bhutto before if he goes off script mossadicks will take him out.

if like carlito braganza he wants to break free of the zio crime cartel if genuine i say good look
and keep safe from lone wolf
or boston breaks

Posted by: adam gadahn | Jul 27 2018 19:15 utc | 2

"Nuclear-Armed Islamic Republic"

Another problem with that title, wouldn't most people in the U.S. confuse this with Iran, even with Pakistan mentioned in the sidebar? :-)

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jul 27 2018 19:28 utc | 3

@ # 1: Nice summation, just about right.

As to Mr. Khan We'll all have to wait and see. As inferred in post 2, if he strays too far towards supporting the rank and file, he'll be risking his health.

My son-in-law is from Karachi. When next we talk, I'll get an opinion, if he has one, on Mr. Khan.

Posted by: ben | Jul 27 2018 19:31 utc | 4

Of course the Times doesn't like Kahn as it represents the Neos, as does all BigLie Media. In many respects, Khan is like Duterte, and of course the latter has raised the ire of BigLie Media for similar reasons. Other media I peruse hasn't had much to say. Sputnik in a very short item said: "The vote for Pakistan's lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, marks only the second time in the country's history since 1947 that a civilian government has handed power over to another government," which is a very important point to be sure. Meanwhile, surprisingly, RT & TASS have no articles about the election at all, which borders on irresponsibility.

Adam Garrie at Euriasiafuture published an article similar to b's and makes these initial observations:

"It was to be expected that much of Indian media and Pakistani media loyal to Imran Khan’s domestic political opponents would have a less than positive take on his historic election victory, but what might have been less expected was the collective smugness, negativity, and snide attitude with which the western mainstream media greeted the victory of Imran Khan and his PTI party.

"Clearly, there is no grand conspiracy between RAW (India’s foreign intelligence service), Imran Khan’s domestic opponents and the media companies in Washington, New York and London. Instead, there is a mentality among the western mainstream media that is worryingly uniform. This mentality which is the product of self-evident group think has developed a new collective opinion on Imran Khan right at the moment when opinions on Imran Khan ought to be motivated by constructive honesty rather than a psychological feud." published a report yesterday based on early election results then pursued the vote-rigging angle mirroring irresponsible BigLie Media and has yet to publish an announcement that Khan indeed won.

In many places, one could be forgiven if they didn't even know an election and change in government's occurred in Pakistan given the dearth of reportage. And I'm extremely disappointed by Russian media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2018 19:38 utc | 5

Usually, when the West uses the term "unpredictable" in a Third World political context, they are precisely referring to a stable ambient for business by the multinationals (who are mainly HQd in the West).

You'll usually see this word alongside other words such as (the absence of) "political stability", "rule of law", "peace" or any other term that denotes normalcy.

That is because one of the major factors of capitalism is that production for the market must be dominant (i.e. you produce to sell, not for your own consumption). And, in order for it to be dominant, it needs to have a global governance juridical system that guarantees the smoothest flow of commodities possible (what Marx called "the world market"). And, of the many juridic ingredients necessary for this world to exist, the main one is the right to private property. The sacrosanctity of private property is so important that it is one of the two ingredients of freedom as stablished by the French Constitution of 1789 (the "industrie", the other being the right to life, i.e. the right of the individual to exist in the real world).

That's why the West usually calls social-democrats to communist elected officials as "unstable", that is, they put the right to private property at some non-zero existential risk.

Posted by: vk | Jul 27 2018 19:48 utc | 6

P.S. The fact that our MSM seems to be lining up against Khan, gives me hope, that maybe, Pakistan may be heading in the right direction..

Posted by: ben | Jul 27 2018 19:55 utc | 7

Corruption is like TB in the body politic of the formerly colonized nations. Corrupt elites make it easy for wealthy foreigners with agendas and big business to come in and loot with impunity. The issue of corruption is joined at the hip to all the other maladies facing these societies: massive poverty, abusive authoritarian military and police, terrorism. Corruption is also something that the average person has to confront on a daily basis anytime they have to interact with the police, get documents from government offices, permits, etc. Anti-corruption was a huge part of the platforms of AMLO, Modi, Duterte, all considered to be "populists" of various stripes. I saw the Assange-Khan interview, and Khan gave a figure of 2.2 trillion rupees budget shortfall in Pakistan due to corruption. If this is an accurate figure, the cost to these societies of elite greed is staggering. There can be no pretense of rule of law in any society when this scale of looting is going on.

Posted by: Almand | Jul 27 2018 20:14 utc | 8

Last evening the news of Khan's victory was accompanied by scenes of men dressed in those long white outfits dancing around in circles, supposedly to show how primitive are his followers.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jul 27 2018 20:27 utc | 9

I was aware The New York Times had cut down on its editorial and reporting staff severely but I didn't know The NYT had sacked so many that the paper was reduced to recycling old 2016 Trump Presidential election victory copy with cut-n-paste replacements of names and labels where necessary.

Descriptions of Imran Khan as "swaggering", "relentless" and "highly unpredictable" sound much like descriptions of Donald Trump. Did The NYT manage to check the colour of Imran Khan's hair?

Posted by: Jen | Jul 27 2018 20:40 utc | 10

My own position is "wait and see". I dislike religious people, specially born-again ones, but when there's a unity in Western big media against some guy, party or idea which isn't obviously a heinous one, I smell a rat and assume it's pure propaganda against something that's just detrimental to big business and finance's benefits - therefore, it's usually pure slandering of a good move.
So, hopefully he truly wants to improve the common guy's lot, and in this case, I wish him luck, and hopefully he can actually achieve some degree of improvements.

As for people wanting to rein in private property that end up being killed, there's nothing new here. Heck, it happened to Robespierre, when he decided to fully apply French revolutionary principles. And it already happened to the Gracchi way before.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jul 27 2018 20:43 utc | 11

I'm from Pakistan. I would say i am not a staunch imran supporter, rather prefer him over others.

First of all, the main reason MSM is negative about PTI has more to do with his rival Nawaz Sharif. He had developed major differences with the military over the latter part of his tenure. So the west was banking on him to challenge the military. But many people will think that pakistan's military has historically been close to US, so why the the animosity? The answer in a nutshell is that over the last few years, Pakistan's military has put the country in the camp which supports the multipolar world order and has put US hegemony in jeopardy; not as openly as, for example, russia, but in its own subtle way and proportionate to its weight. So a united civil-military front will give the country stability and momentum to continue its geopolitical strategy. With Nawaz Sharif in power, there was a genuine chance to put the military on the backfoot which would then have an impact on pakistan's regional policies. But he is out and MSM cannot hide their disappointment.

As for imran khan, he has been in politics for a long time now and is on the verge of becoming PM. His initial approach was to bring fresh faces. So although his stance was appealing, electoral dynamics of the country prevented him from gaining electoral success. In 2011, he changed his strategy and started accepting candidates who were from other parties. His own charisma plus those people who are termed 'electables' provided a formula for success. He made signidicant gains in 2013 elections and this time around managed to get power. But these electables are the product of the old rotten culture and will form the bulk of his team. They simply crave power and don't have the willpower and motivation to turn things around. They might prove to be his Achilles heel. But lets hope for the best.

Posted by: Bilal | Jul 27 2018 20:58 utc | 12

"P.S. The fact that our MSM seems to be lining up against Khan, gives me hope, that maybe, Pakistan may be heading in the right direction..
Posted by: ben | Jul 27, 2018 3:55:02 PM | 7"

That sums it up perfectly. Anything he does now will be a bonus.

Bearing in mind that the Saudis always assume that they will be able to rely on Pakistan to supply them with the muscle they need to bully their neighbours, this is bad news for the neo-con threats against Iran. With Pakistan and Turkey, both loyal allies of the Imperialists twenty years ago, both headed by governments opposed to war against Iran this is further evidence of the crumbling away of US hegemonic dreams.

Until quite recently US Special Forces were infiltrating terrorists into Iran via Balochistan, that will have to end now. Then there is the small matter of ferrying in supplies to the "NATO" forces in Afghanistan- if Afghanistan is used as a base to attack Iran that arrangement will be ended.
And then there is the question of the Gulf states relying on cheap Pakistani labour for much of its workforce, including use of Pakistanis to make war against Yemen.
Not surprising that the NYTimes-where neo-con nightmares are hatched- is shitting itself. And the western puppet media is doing the same. The stench is unbearable.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 27 2018 21:07 utc | 13

Bilal @12--

Thanks much for your input! Given Khan's strong anti-corruption election point, your observation about "electables" seems at odds to that, or is Garrie wrong in his description of Khan's campaign points? And what's your opinion about Pakistan's role as a key node in China's BRI?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2018 21:14 utc | 14

I guess they should count their blessing. Unpredictable folks got elected in Italy, with Putin meddling, but none was detected in Pakistan, so Imran Khan cannot be completely bad.

Almand @8: I saw the Assange-Khan interview, and Khan gave a figure of 2.2 trillion rupees budget shortfall in Pakistan due to corruption. If this is an accurate figure,

I do not see how that could be possible. The latest yearly federal budget was ca. 5 trillion rupees, 2.2 trillion is the gap between fiscal revenue and expenditure -- deficit is lower, because Pakistan enjoys some grants. On top of that, Khan is a populist and a populist making conservative estimates of the scope of corruption is not a populist. Tossing outlandish figures is customary, e.g. "Putin amassed 50 billion dollars".

Moreover, deficit spending is a legitimate fiscal strategy, so it is not reasonable to equate the size of the deficit with the scope of corruption. Most importantly, I did not read about Goldman Sachs helping Pakistan with the budget, like in Greece or Malaysia, so I would expect the corruption to be lower for sheer want of creativity.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 27 2018 21:16 utc | 15

In the "never believe anything until it's officially denied" vein, it seems we have reached the point where Western MSM has become a pretty reliable indicator for the truth in most situations. Just look to what they say, and the opposite is most likely true. It would be comical if it weren't for the millions of people, including many in positions of power, who don't seem to have gotten the joke yet.

Posted by: J Swift | Jul 27 2018 21:24 utc | 16


Khan's figure of 2.2 trillion PKR lost to corruption each year, if correct, is almost 20% of Pakistan's GNP. For comparison imagine the U.S. was suddenly free to dedicate 3 trillion USD per year to human development. Never happen, of course.

Posted by: rackstraw | Jul 27 2018 22:11 utc | 17

thanks b!

as for the attribute 'unpredictable' - this comes based on the possibility imran will not be following the 24/7 usa/uk war plans for pakistan.. geez, wouldn't that be a terrible thing?

@12 bilal - thanks for sharing your specific insights! ditto others comments as well.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jul 27 2018 22:13 utc | 18

Gosh! The Jew-controlled Media in the Jew-controlled West, led by the Jew York Times, smears the leader of another Islamic country.
How many does that make, in total?
Guess how surprised I'm not?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 27 2018 22:45 utc | 19

khans sticky wicket
he is a goldsmith rothschild man you cannot impregnate a goldsmith unless you are kosher with soloman seal of approval

Frost –Bhutto interview (2008)

“Benazir Bhutto, who was killed in a suicide attack at the end of 2007 stated in November that the Osama bin Laden, the head of the international terrorist network al-Qaida, had been killed. Bhutto claimed that she even knew the man who had killed the prime suspect of 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA. According to Bhutto’s words, Bin Laden was killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh – one of those convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl. Bhutto released that statement on November 2, 2007 in an interview with Al-Jazeera TV channel. Bhutto spoke in English in the program titled Frost Over the World. However, no one paid any attention to her words. Speaking about the enemies, who did not wish to see her back in Pakistan, she said: “Omar Sheikh is the man who murdered Osama bin Laden” (see “Benazir Bhutto named Osama bin Laden’s killer before her death”, Pravda, 15 January 2008:

ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh is a British-born and British-educated spy with links to jihadists, Pakistani ISI, British MI6 and the US CIA. He is in prison in Pakistan over the murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl. According to Wikipedia: “Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, in his book “In the Line of Fire”, stated that Sheikh was originally recruited by British intelligence agency, MI6, while studying at the London School of Economics. He alleges Omar Sheikh was sent to the Balkans by MI6 to engage in jihadi operations. Musharraf later went on to state, "At some point, he probably became a rogue or double agent"

Posted by: adam gadahn | Jul 27 2018 22:51 utc | 20

I think most here are being far too credulous to think the ISI's candidate represents some sort of sea change. It's a good story. Former playboy cricketer superstar becomes the head of state and an era of peace, dignity and prosperity ensure.

Khan's rise to power is synonymous with his embrace of the truly horrendous Pakistani military, not to mention his support of Pakistan's medieval blasphemy love.

Just because the NYT pisses in the punch bowl doesn't mean the punch is pure to begin with.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 27 2018 23:32 utc | 21

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jul 27, 2018 3:28:50 PM | 3

Te"Nuclear-Armed Islamic Republic"

Another problem with that title, wouldn't most people in the U.S. confuse this with Iran, even with Pakistan mentioned in the sidebar? :-)xt

Exactly what I thought. And considering the ongoing threats against Iran, I expect that was the intention.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 27 2018 23:48 utc | 22

Unless wahhabism is defeated in Pakistan there will be very little change. It seems to have taken off strongly in the eighties thanks to CIA and Saudi clerics. The decade after introduction or spread of wahhabi in Pakistan also brought in the problems between Muslims and Hindu's increasing the friction between Pakistan and India.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 28 2018 0:29 utc | 23

Mildly OT but pertinent to the Media War on Islam...
Good Friend Of "Israel" Oz PM, Malcolm Turnbull and GFoI, FM Julie Bishop are denying rumors that Oz has been asked to participate in FRUKUS's forthcoming bomb bomb bomb, bomb-bomb Iran campaign. Aside from the complete absence of info on what, specifically, or even approximately, Iranians have done to deserve having their country spontaneously bomb bomb bombed back to the Stone Age by God-bothering Christians, there's a warped logic behind this rumor...

Oz has ordered some F-35s(?) to replace its vintage fleet of FA-18s and sending them to Iran to be disappeared will save a helluva lot of paperwork and disposal problems. If Oz is contemplating helping to bomb Iran it can ONLY be because the RAAF has been told that Iran is defenseless because, like our mentors, the "Israeli" Air Farce, the RAAF doesn't do Heroism (Vietnam was so much Fun). So it'll be 'interesting' to see whether Judeo-Christian Colonial Supremacism, stupidity and wishful thinking prevail.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2018 0:46 utc | 24

Right you are, karlof1 @5. Russian media is nearly completely silent on Pakistan's election.

RT’s Sophie Shevardnadze did a 1/2 hour interview with Imran Khan last April. I haven’t watched it yet, but Sophie is another one of RT’s terrific, strong, female bulldogs like Oksana Boyko, and her program, Worlds Apart to which I linked a day or two ago.

Imran Khan: US uses Pakistan like tissue paper

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 28 2018 0:54 utc | 25

@25 I think Khan knows better. The Afghan Taliban has a lot of support in Pakistan especially from Pashtuns. I don't know if that is a bad thing or not but it's a fact.

You need to delete the second backslash to see the video.

Posted by: dh | Jul 28 2018 1:15 utc | 26

The NYT is very helpful. I knew exactly what kind of person Comey was when they kept describing him as a "straight shooter", and now that they call Imran Khan "unpredictable", I know exactly what sort of person he is, too.

Posted by: cassandra | Jul 28 2018 1:19 utc | 27

@24 Hoarsewhisperer

MATTIS: "I have no idea where the Australian news people got that information. I am confident it is not something that is being considered right now. I think it is a complete, frankly, it's fiction." - Mattis Rejects Viral Australian Report On Impending US Iran Strikes

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 28 2018 1:27 utc | 28

Posted by: Peter AU 1 @23

"Unless wahhabism is defeated in Pakistan there will be very little change. It seems to have taken off strongly in the eighties thanks to CIA and Saudi clerics. The decade after introduction or spread of wahhabi in Pakistan also brought in the problems between Muslims and Hindu's increasing the friction between Pakistan and India."

Yep. And bear in mind that this inculcating of Wahhabi terrorist ideology in children was paid for by the US State Department!

“Perhaps the answer lies in a 53 million dollar project conducted from 1980-1994 from the US University of Nebraska, Pakistan campus. A US funded project that printed textbooks to teach Afghanistan children in school the art or war and terror. Millions of books were made and printed in Pakistan under this project and disbursed to Afghanistan schools to teach the kids to love war and so-called Jihad.”

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 28 2018 1:36 utc | 29

Re Iran something is going on. for the last few weeks I have been using Iran as a search term in the twitter search box. Up until several days ago all posts that included the word Iran came up. As of yesterday, twitter started bring up posts on Trump when the search term Iran is used.
I do similar searches in twitter for Iraq and Syria and they have stayed the same - still bring up posts with the word Iraq or Syria in them.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 28 2018 1:40 utc | 30

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 27, 2018 9:27:42 PM | 28

Thanks for the feedback:-)
It was on the TV 'news' last night. My immediate reaction was to exclaim "WTF! It's only a year or so since the RAAF were scrambling over each other in a mad panic to get out of Iraq after a rumor circulated that Iraq might ask Russia for help with its ter'rist/ uninvited Christian Colonial problem. And now you want to bomb Iran?"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2018 1:54 utc | 31


From what I can make of it, any coalition of the killing to go against Iran would be five-eyes minus NZ plus the wahhabi states. EU does not look interested.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 28 2018 2:03 utc | 32

karlof1 @14

Khan no doubt has a strong anti-corruption stance. But his party has many people with a chequered past, I could name some but you wouldn't know them. Its a contradiction but then we are talking politics.I guess his supporters would say it was a necessary risk and with a strong leader at the top, the party cadres would not dare to indulge in malpractices. The dynamics of local politics here are very complex and khan realized after more than a decade that he would have to change his aporoach and make some compromises. In his interviews when he was grilled about this approach he implicitly said the same thing. But like I said he is still the best bet but the challenges facing him like the economic situation are gargantuan.

As for the BRI (or CPEC as far we are concerned) enjoys a huge support among the population here, and this support cuts across all spectrums. There is not a single political party which opposes it, whether rightist, leftist or centrist. In fact during the election campaign PML-N and PPPP were both giving themselves credit for being the visionaries who brought CPEC to the country. But of course there is propaganda by western MSM and local liberal media as well about debt traps and everything that makes people uncomfortable; and that is what is most important to understand here. CPEC is a key target of hybrid warfare unleashed upon the country. The biggest success of this asymmetrical warfare would be to fracture the public support and make it controversial. But another aspect is the failure of government to use CPEC to turbocharge the economy or to make economic policy which makes best use of the huge investment coming in. It is certainly a big challenge for Khan to use CPEC to make visible impact on the economy.

Posted by: Bilal | Jul 28 2018 3:44 utc | 33

MoA got a shoutout in Diana Johnstone’s latest piece.

To find analysis, one must go on line, away from the official fake news to independent reporting. For example, “the Moon of Alabama” site offers an intelligent interpretation of the Trump strategy, which sounds infinitely more plausible than “the story”.

Full Article:

Posted by: Porridge & Lager | Jul 28 2018 3:51 utc | 34


Unpredictable is a code word used by Western media to tell the reader that everything they write about the topic is a 100% lie. As everything is false it becomes impossible to predict the future, both for the writer and the reader.

Unpredictability also means that the media and the subject of the story follow different puppet masters. As long as both are controlled by the same Deep State everything is very predictable. Even if the prediction later turns out to be totally wrong, the media will retroactively correct themselves, giving the impression that they have always been right.

(First posted November 12, 2016)

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 28 2018 3:57 utc | 35

There’s a fascinating book out, “Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance Between the Vatican, the CIA and the Mafia.”

It describes how the Vatican Bank was a central part of the “Stay Behind” armies OSS/CIA established in post-WW II Europe. It goes into detail on the war of terrorism they waged to prevent leftist/socialist movements from gaining power, and how narcotics became the principle funding source for both this and the enrichment of people we would call “The Oligarchs” if they were Russian.

This Mafia would establish or buy banks, and then deliberately run them into bankruptcy to “disappear” $billions and $billions. [I note that as good as the book is, they never once mention the Jewish banksters who anyone looking into supra-national banking knows make up a huge majority of owners/controllers].

At any rate, ZeroHedge published an interesting article that sees this very thing happening in the US. Many at MoA believe the US Empire is drying up…. some ask if this is being done deliberately…. and a few “credit” Donald J. Trump as the mastermind, doing this in his war against “the Globalists.” Check out this take:

Trump Vs. The Fed: America Sacrificed At The NWO Altar

Text The central bankers KNOW exactly what they are doing and what will happen as a result. They are bringing down the U.S. economy deliberately as multiple sectors hang by the thin thread of low but steadily rising interest rates and Trump's tax cuts.

America is more like a host to the globalist parasites, and once the host is drained of all vitality, the parasites will leave and move on to bigger and better targets.... the Fed is actually a suicide bomber whose goal is to eventually destroy itself and everything around it, thus bringing down America from within.

The Fed is a tool for manipulating the U.S. political framework and economic engine, and like all other central banks in the world Text its policies are dictated by much more important entities like the Bank For International Settlements (BIS).

It is organizations like the BIS and the IMF that are set to become the new centers of the financial world as the U.S. economy and the dollar sink into obscurity.

Trump is not talking about combating the IMF or the BIS, nor is anyone else in the mainstream discussing it.

Removing one sacrificial appendage of the vampire squid is useless; we must go to core organizations and shut them all down to make any difference in the outcome.

Globalists do not care about maintaining the U.S. system as it is.

someone else needs to take the blame for the disastrous consequences of the global reset when it accelerates…. Donald Trump fits the bill perfectly for a number of reasons..

the induction of multiple banking elites and Council on Foreign Relations members into Trump’s cabinet makes it impossible for true change to ever take place within the White House

A battle between Trump and the Fed [and the “Deep State,” and the MSM, etc.] serves a couple of purposes.

Firstly, it provides cover for the dismantling of U.S. stocks and the U.S. dollar, just as the trade war (also blamed on Trump) provides cover for the same.

Secondly, if Trump is seen as “getting tough” on the Fed, liberty activists that are skeptical of the Trump administration and his globalist appointed cabinet might be lured into the fold and support policies which will ultimately be the unmaking of liberty.

Make no mistake, what we are witnessing is 4th generation warfare on the public - All other wars including the trade war are kabuki theater designed to distract from this reality.

The goal? 

To convince the masses that sovereign nationalism leads to planetary disaster, and that the "only solution" is to hand over economic and political power to a centralized authority of financial high priests with a direct line to the god of fiscal stability.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 28 2018 4:02 utc | 36

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 27, 2018 10:03:37 PM | 32

Imo, the threatened US sanctions on Iran's oil exports will become a big nothing-burger. Apart from being illegal (and an act of War), they're not due to come into effect until November 4, 2018. Taking the Iraq sanctions as a template, the purpose is to weaken Iran financially over a long-ish period in order to provoke internal discord and soften Iran up prior to a military assault. The 'weakening' won't happen overnight so there'll be at least 6 months and up to 18 months for signs of 'weakness' to emerge (or be concocted).

But from circa November 4, maybe sooner, a wide range of peripheral and probable scenarios will emerge.
3. China will (gleefully, publicly) tell Iran not to worry about the Paper Tiger's threats because "we'll continue to abide by, and beef up, our contractual obligations to Iran."
2. Various countries will beg Iran not exercise its legal right (and obligation in a War/ Global Conspiracy scenario) to close the Straits of Hormuz.
1. Trump will try, as a last resort, to "make Iran see reason" and there'll be a Trump-Iran summit during which Trump will experience a Revelation and discover that it was all a silly misunderstanding based on Fake News. A Deal will be mooted the details of which will take Half an Eternity to iron out and the sanctions postponed pending a mutually satisfactory agreement being reached.
- Bibi & Co will suffer apoplexy. Everyone else will LoL.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2018 4:19 utc | 37

tweet from a leftist from pakistan who has been following the election much closer than I have.
I'm not sure how left Imran Khan is, he still may have been the best on offer though.

Posted by: UserFriendly | Jul 28 2018 4:25 utc | 38

Brilliant thread start to finish, every single comment ! Thanks 'b'

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2018 7:32 utc | 39

OT but if you want the suppressed video The Magnitsky Act - Behind the Scenes I found a torrent infohash 4e9ea5eef9032ae8304cc33b346e0f6fc9f4838a

272 MB. Well worth watching for learning what Browder really is, how the slime we pay for in our parliaments and assemblies go along with his lies and fraud with zero due-diligence and as a brilliant general study in propaganda and disinfo

Please repost this data where you can.

Posted by: Terminator | Jul 28 2018 7:49 utc | 40

Thanks terminator
Never mind there army's,tanks and million pound missiles ! Those middle men between bank and rebel / curupt politian is the weak spot. David and Goliath ! I'l spread the word for all those that died !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2018 9:28 utc | 41

Artist taxi driver on Twitter today's video (sat) relevant to this thread.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2018 9:59 utc | 42

Imran played cricket. Only nations I know who play cricket are India, Pakies, South Africa, Aus, Bangla, Brits, Sri lankans and sometimes Netherlands. If you are a reporter, TV person, CNN person et al then you can only comment if you come from one of the above. Washington Post, NY Times shut up. Who cares what Washington barbarians (ie don't play cricket but do stupid things with big white balls and nonsensical tree branches - shaped) say or think?

Posted by: Ia Shears | Jul 28 2018 11:22 utc | 43

Just wondering, how does Pakistan get politically forced into the demeaning (and sovereignty-flouting) position of having to accept "EU election observers" into its country?

Of course there could never be a question of observing European Commission elections - there are none.

Posted by: Russ | Jul 28 2018 12:59 utc | 44

Imran played cricket. Only nations I know who play cricket are India, Pakies, South Africa, Aus, Bangla, Brits, Sri lankans and sometimes Netherlands. Posted by: Ia Shears | Jul 28, 2018 7:22:32 AM | 43

I was once in Vancouver on a bus from University of BC to downtown, together with another attendee of the same conference that came from SA. As we were passing yet another field where people were playing cricket, I joked "what is wrong with those people?", and the South African claim that this is actually perfectly normal. British Columbia seems indeed more British than Ontario.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 28 2018 13:07 utc | 45

As in fact b is right politically I see those headlines as desperate click bites. I see more and more tabloid headlines exploiting American ignorance.

Posted by: Kalen | Jul 28 2018 13:26 utc | 46

The headline's absurd, and then there's the piece itself. Just in the first paragraph I count four pieces of editorializing: "charismatic" (not negative in itself, but might be meant to signal irresponsibility, go along with "unpredictable"), "fiercely criticized", "counterterrorism" (the NYT always reports government claims about the purposes of its policies as "facts"), "plagued by extremism".

Posted by: Russ | Jul 28 2018 14:03 utc | 47

Best cricket team the world has ever seen was Clive Loyd's West Indian side, with Imran's Pakistan team featuring Waqar Younis & Javed Miandad runners up.
Aotearoa has also been known to toss 11 blokes onto a paddock over 5 days, OK but much less successful than when they loose 15 blokes every winter to hammer england, Oz, France, the jaapies, Ireland, Scotland or Wales into submission with speed, muscle & a oval ball.

I will acknowledge that the people commenting here who don't know cricket and never saw Imran send down a swinging yorker are at a huge disadvantage commenting. The combination of athleticism, brains, guile and sheer determination it takes to get a piece of leather covered cork to behave on demand the way Imran could get em to come out, then go into the shed for tea before coming out and hammering others sides weak arsed efforts to emulate his or Waqar's deliveries all over that paddock, revealed a man who really stood out from others.

I'm not much of a fan of types who use their celebrity acquired elsewhere to shortcut into politics, but Imran didn't really do that he slogged away for over a decade with next to no support and lots of put-downs from Pakistan's political establishment. The slimies who had jostled to get their picture taken with him when he was captain of Pakistan, turned on him "because he didn't want to see reason". He was like a terrier with a bone refusing to let go of the issues of massive corruption and how damaging amerika's war on terror was to ordinary shit-kicking Pakistanis. Now he has won using the same tenacious combination of brains, guile and sheer determination that made him a great cricketer.

Yep he's got his work cut out for him because the issues Pakistan has to deal with may be insoluble. They certainly cannot be fixed overnight, but same as with Jeremy Corbyn we cannot listen to the tendentious bullcrap the usual arseholes are promoting. Instead of that we need to take heart from the fact that a 100% of the world's media oppose Imran Khan, just as they oppose Mr Corbyn which is the closest thing we can expect to an admission from the paid penis puppets that neither are owned by our enemies, the enemies of all humans, the greedy, toad-featured & blood soaked elite.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 28 2018 14:09 utc | 48

Magnitsky Act - Behind the Scenes -- See:

Posted by: Quentin | Jul 28 2018 16:14 utc | 49

@40 Terminator

The Magnitsky video is also available here --

And I agree that it should be downloaded (and circulated) as much as possible, as Browder's groupies and the US hegemon are pushing it back down anywhere it shows up.

The video can be a little confusing at first, as the first part is largely snippets of the film that Nekasov was making -- in support of Browder, until Nekasov finally realized the truth -- and it consists largely of bits of interviews with Browder, shot while Nekasov was still a Browder believer.

But what Nekasov eventually turned up completely devastates pretty much all of Browder's claims and allegations.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jul 28 2018 17:36 utc | 50

correction -- Nekrasov

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jul 28 2018 17:39 utc | 51

The above post -- #50 -- was me correcting a prior post of mine with a misspelled name, but the post that contained it was deleted for some reason.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jul 28 2018 17:43 utc | 52

@Debsisdead | Jul 28, 2018 10:09:50 AM | 48

I was a jaapie lighty then, but I remember. Hes a legend. We even named our puppy after Waqar.
(Waqar died in a rather unfortunate accident)

Khan however became a household name here. I know him as a crickerter. Not a politician.
And, by the way, my brief stint in India taught me that they like him more than any other Paki cricket player.


Gets down to the nitty gritty on "perception management" AKA Propaganda. Worth a look.

Posted by: dan | Jul 28 2018 17:53 utc | 53

Adam @20, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheik surely was one of the most mysterious characters in the larger post 9/11 character universe for any of us curious enough, but largely uninitiated into the larger regional Afghan/Pakistan/India political triangle. I vaguely recall he left a diary in an Indian jail too, which I found peculiar way back then, from were he was flown to Afghanistan. Not back to Pakistan.

There is a more recent documentary about the guy, it seems. Might be interesting:

Posted by: LeaNder | Jul 28 2018 18:10 utc | 54

' Unpredictable ' is probably code for independent, not predictably our lapdog and probably too honest to blackmail.

Good luck to Imran Khan, he will need it. He has spent a lot of time in the wilderness to get to this point after his stint as Pakistans successful cricket captain - which was probably more important in pakistan than prime minister. He seems genuinely interested in the welfare of his country, this does not seem like a powertrip.

As a comparison to Putin, he probably does not have the intensive public policy training that Putin has, nor Russias rich natural resources and pakistan is a complicated and difficult country to govern. However he does not face the overt hostility of a superpower yet, though there is India to the east and afghanistan to the west.

As a cricket captain, Imran Khan showed an eye for talent, and a flair for using his talented team mates in disciplined and innovative ways. Perhaps that will stand him in good stead. The world needs more islamic countries that are democratic, developmental and models for others to follow.

Anatol Lieven s book Pakistan-a hard country is useful background

Posted by: anon | Jul 28 2018 18:51 utc | 55

A recent article by Arkady Savitsky at Strategic Culture.
According to Savitsky, 12,000 ISIS fighters now in Afghanistan. US has been building up an ISIS force there for a number of years.
Al Jazeera has no problems meeting and interviewing Afghan ISIS. They look well equipped, must have well set up bases - no ragtag band hiding in the mountains.

How much of this will the US unleashed onto Pakistan as Pakistan moves closer to Russia and China

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 28 2018 18:56 utc | 56

I watched the Imran - Assange interview. I generally liked his answers. I did notice that when asked about the Bin Laden raid, he became hazy and rambled a bit (Benazir Bhutto said Osama was dead and that's how she ended up along with many other reasons). My own opinion is that Osama was already dead but his family was still there.
yes the Magnitsky video is definitely worth watching. When Browder knew his lines he was an excellent liar. I especially liked when Nekrasov confronted the EU types pushing the Magnitsky Act with evidence that Browder had made up the story. How they just didn't seem to notice that all their info had come from Browder.
Time will tell about Imran, he has possibly a harder job than Putin did when he took over.

Posted by: gepay | Jul 28 2018 19:04 utc | 57

Excellent inputs. As to Russian media silence, I'm not sure why except they're hedging/wary and not quite sure what to expect from Khan. Russia's recent history with Pakistan has not been positive considering its support of islamists in Afghanistan and the other stans. I would think Putin would reach out with congratulations and wishes for better relations. And thank you Bilal for your input. Are Pakistanis getting tired of the machinations of the ISI with Taliban and other extremists or are they more tired of the usual poclitical/economic corruption?

Funny point on that NYT clickbait healdline, b. It's interesting that in addition to Saudi money, that US money was siphoned off from going to mujahedeen and all headed to fund the nuclear weapon program. WMD proliferation? A blind eye or a tongue lashing while going after any who purchased those materials. (see the book Deception)

I caught the Magnitsky video last week after seeing comments about it at Zero Hedge. One will get shut down and another will pop up whether YouTube or BitChute. Shameful how this tax cheat and con man - Browder - acted with US congress to push anti-Russian rhetoric and actions. Sort of a co-dependency but not of drunks and in this case corrupt cronies with agendas.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 28 2018 19:52 utc | 58


'Unpredictable' is more or less a synonym for 'democratic'.

Posted by: bjd | Jul 28 2018 19:58 utc | 59

Russia's silence at the momment regarding Pakistan is very sensible. They know enything they say in the subject would be picked up by western media twisted and used against both country's at this pivotal time ! Better to keep the west totally in the dark, and discreetly build links. Especially in the first weeks and months!
Let the west show it's hand of cards first! Which it is already doing, as we at Moa are noticing.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2018 20:08 utc | 60

Debs @ 48 said:"Instead of that we need to take heart from the fact that a 100% of the world's media oppose Imran Khan, just as they oppose Mr Corbyn which is the closest thing we can expect to an admission from the paid penis puppets that neither are owned by our enemies, the enemies of all humans, the greedy, toad-featured & blood soaked elite."

Thanks for the historical background, and a great post, ending with the above last paragraph.

P.S. I'm one of those who knows squat about cricket. Thanks for the enlightenment..

Posted by: ben | Jul 28 2018 20:20 utc | 61

Peter Au 1 @ 56
Thanks for those links ! Have just viewed the last one first and will view the other in morn.very very good. It tells a hell of a lot and confirms even more. I recommend to others. If only we could follow the money trail it would I bet lead right back to US cut that off and problem pretty much solved!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 28 2018 21:18 utc | 62

Premature maligning of Khan in Western Media serves (at this point) as a warning shot that more bad press is forthcoming if Khan refuses to toe the line. Bad Press is the first necessary step toward negative public perception which naturally precedes the other elements which ultimately precede a coup d'etat.

Toeing the line requires that the commons receive nothing other than increased austerity and additional hardship, while multinational corporations are given carte blanche to exploit resources and materials or anything else they may covet.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 28 2018 22:21 utc | 63

@Russ | Jul 28, 2018 8:59:32 AM | 44

Just wondering, how does Pakistan get politically forced into the demeaning (and sovereignty-flouting) position of having to accept "EU election observers" into its country?

Perhaps the pressure for EU election observers didn't come from outside the country. Maybe the reason for their presence is that nobody in Pakistan would accept the outcome if external observers were absent. (Apparently some don't accept the outcome even now; the cries of "irregularities" will probably linger for some time.)

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 28 2018 22:27 utc | 64

The piece in the Assange-Khan interview on OBL. Khan says AQ is a creation of both CIA and ISI and trained by the Pakistan military.
From there it has morphed into all the jihadist groups spread around the world and backed by the wahhabi states, US, UK and Israel.
It will take a long time to clean that mess up in its birth place Pakistan.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 28 2018 22:27 utc | 65

Khan forcing his team to gamble all previous tournament winnings on their final match in order to kill any prospect of match fixing rumours coming true suggests that he knows how to strongarm a group of men under pressure...though, Khan would also himself say that he knew how to 'pick the seam' haha what a guy. Must be some leader, he's a good deal responsible for the outrageous Pakistani heist in Australia, 1992.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 28 2018 22:48 utc | 66

For any curious about Imran Khan's cricketing days, here is a video of highlights of the 1992 Cricket World Cup, held in Australia and New Zealand.

I was in New Zealand at the time, and our team was actually doing pretty well, playing their last game in New Zealand against Pakistan and losing to them, at least that is my memory. The final was in Australia, and this video is pretty long - would be confusing if you don't know cricket. In that case I would suggest going near the end of it and just watching as Pakistan is bowling and you will see a bit more of Imran Khan as I think he bowls the final overs and is captain of the team.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 28 2018 23:36 utc | 67

Posted by: Peter AU 1 @56

"How much of this will the US unleashed onto Pakistan as Pakistan moves closer to Russia and China"?

Or into Iran, also? We recently saw photos of the paramilitary training base Mujahideen-e-Khalq, (MEK) has to the west in Iraq. I'd suspect the AZ Empire has similar bases in Afghanistan.

And MEK has training bases in the US, too. Sy Hersh reported on one they've had in Nevada since 2005.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 29 2018 0:33 utc | 68

The New York Times would want the wisdom of Thomas Freedman to choose the president of Pakistan, or Syria or Iraq he is brilliant.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Jul 29 2018 1:05 utc | 69

Imran khan states numerous times in his April interview with Sophie Shevardnadze that Pakistan had nothing to do with 9/11. But what about that wire transfer of $100,000 shortly before the events “that changed everything?”

From 2004:

Omar Sheikh, a British-born Islamist militant, is waiting to be hanged in Pakistan for a murder he almost certainly didn't commit - of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002. Both the US government and Pearl's wife have since acknowledged that Sheikh was not responsible. Yet the Pakistani government is refusing to try other suspects newly implicated in Pearl's kidnap and murder for fear the evidence they produce in court might acquit Sheikh and reveal too much.

Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?

Omar Sheikh was also a student at London School of Economics, that infamous grooming establishment for servants and upper-level managers of the supra-national financial cabal (refer back to Khan and Rothschilds).

And it’s been known since the 1993 investigation into the bombing of the WTC that “9/11 mastermind,” Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) had ties with the Pakistani ISI.

Now, I don’t believe a word of the Official Conspiracy Theory on 9/11. I see even KSA as willing accomplices, so Pakistan is even more marginally responsible. But Khan comes off as one who “doth protest too much.”

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 29 2018 1:54 utc | 70

@56 peter.. 2nd video... these religious nut jobs have been sanctioned by the usa-uk-israel-ksa... born in the ksa and spread around all the stan countries with the intent of getting the world to adopt islamic law - while these verified not jobs practice something so far removed from it, it defies logic... but that is the beauty of being indoctrinated into a crazed religion...

on an interesting note, the word infidel was first used by the christian cult in reference to jews and muslims!! how ironic.. - i can see the obvious connection between western neo con christians/end of worlders and the present day, cave mentality that's running isis/al qaeda..

Posted by: james | Jul 29 2018 2:07 utc | 71

In the video b linked to, I saw something of Putin in Imran Khan in the way he looks at his country, his people. Like Russia of the nineties, Pakistan has been very much controlled and exploited by the US. He has a much harder job ahead of him than Putin when he came to power. Wahhabism will be the hardest thing to eradicate, but it seems with the election of Khan, the Pakistanis are ready to move away from the US.
A lot of times watching Putin, I have the feeling he regards all people of the Russian Federation as family. I had the same thought in watching the Khan-Assange interview.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 29 2018 2:20 utc | 72

one needs a hindu translator to watch the 3 hour video on omar sheikh.. double agent sounds entirely possible..

Posted by: james | Jul 29 2018 2:26 utc | 73

Daniel 68

Something to think about. Trump carefully separated wahhabi Qatar from wahhabi KSA and UAE.
US bases in whhabistan are in Qatar and Kuwait.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 29 2018 3:07 utc | 74

"Small nuclear armed fascist state set to leave EU on 31 of March"

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jul 29 2018 3:52 utc | 75

Den Lille Abe | Jul 28, 2018 11:52:59 PM | 75

Yeah; the UK is the perfect analogue of Orwell's 1984 Oceania.

Posted by: V | Jul 29 2018 6:13 utc | 76

Posted by: Cyril | Jul 28, 2018 6:27:44 PM | 64

Perhaps the pressure for EU election observers didn't come from outside the country. Maybe the reason for their presence is that nobody in Pakistan would accept the outcome if external observers were absent. (Apparently some don't accept the outcome even now; the cries of "irregularities" will probably linger for some time.)

I was thinking it must be something like that, some agreement among the parties to have an alleged neutral observer. Though like you say that won't stop anyone who thinks they have a grievance (or wants to pretend to have one) from protesting.

So the fear is civil war over a disputed election? (Ironically, much like the notion that without the EU the Europeans immediately will revert to tearing each other apart.) If people need the band-aid of international observers to stave that off, it sounds like an unstable situation which can't hold for long. Especially with incessant US meddling and trying to generate a failed state next door.

Posted by: Russ | Jul 29 2018 8:09 utc | 77

Forgive me if it's been mentioned and missed by me---- uk us aid to Pakistan !
I looked it up and as of this year. Pakistan is by far the biggest recipient of uk aid. All well and good I'd say. but suspecous as i am ---- considering the curuption, is there a neat revolving door where Brit tax payers money far from helping the poor goes full circle back to buying plush houses in London for Pakistan and Brit curupt criminals. be it political military or bankers !
I bet it may be the same with ngo charity money.
Imran Khan fighting curuption is going to be v hard as 'b' and others say ! He should take time to explain in detail to everyone there (top to bottem) why curuption is so corrosive to Pakistan ! Nieve maybe, but in this enlightened world regarding the west and there wars ! It's a no brainier !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 8:34 utc | 78

A good article here by Fisk on how the US supplies weapons to its al Qaeda ISIS proxies.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 29 2018 9:15 utc | 79

Peter Au 1 @ 79
You just struck gold ! Tie's in with that post 'b ' did (a month ago) about arms shipments by air.
It's a matrix momment. For the last decades all we'v been told is total bull shit all that terrorist stuff all made up! Connects neatly with banking curuption aspect ! Just all a big scam. Daniels comment re Pakistan conection to 9 11 adds to it, when you think most of those 911 terrorists came from Saudia Arabia !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 10:55 utc | 80

Mark 2 80
I was following the TOW missile story at the time and saw the stories of the Saudis sending 500 TOW missiles to (supposedly) the FSA. A lot of the weapons for Syria story are in our faces. This includes the shipments of arms from Libya. But our own media will not tell this story. The only one they told at the time was the rebels complaining that the west sends food but no weapons. The reality was vastly different.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 29 2018 14:45 utc | 81

Thanks Curtis @ 81
This thread has included a lot of discussion about Pakistan curuption. We got it all wrong it's Uk Us curuption!
Enyone for a regime change? Suitcases stuffed with money accepted ! But only from effecal fair trade sources please !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 15:09 utc | 82
I read the Assange-Khan interview here and I think Khan is one of the best chances/hopes for Pakistan. Awesome insights and he seems well read. He pointed out the corruption of the politically powerful who sold out the people and squirreled money away in foreign banks/businesses.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 29 2018 15:48 utc | 83

Adam Gadahn @20

You are seriously misinformed in linking Jemima Goldsmith's father to the Rothschilds and globalism. The very first time I saw the word "globalism" was in an article about Goldsmith, spelling out his fierce and principled opposition to globalism. For the record, Goldsmith did not consider himself a Jew despite his father's ethnic identity. His mother was a Catholic Frenchwoman.

I wonder why you have chosen to identify yourself through your avatar with such a nasty and treacherous person, a Jew pretending to be an Islamist nutcase.

Posted by: sarz | Jul 29 2018 18:38 utc | 84

If the MSM reaction is bad, then it means he's goood :)

No more need for discussion. :D


Posted by: BG | Jul 29 2018 18:43 utc | 85


With any luck they find their way to Hezbollah and other 'resistance' forces, as well as decrease expenditures by other forces securing Syria.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2018 18:45 utc | 86

Here's an interview with Imran's second wife, whom he divorced not too long ago before marrying again. She's a journalist, now living in London.

He is definitely the army's chosen candidate, after the protracted game they have played to get Nawaz Sharif jailed. There is no doubt he has compromised his values, most notably by supporting the absurd anti-blasphemy laws. Nawaz Sharif wanted to normalise relations with India and assert civilian control over the military. His attempt to build Pakistan and India's mutual stakes in one another through trade, by giving India "most-favored nation" status, was met by Imran with cries of "treason".

Still, he and the military, for all their faults, might very well manage to put Pakistan on a more promising trajectory. Let's leave them some space.

Posted by: sarz | Jul 29 2018 20:17 utc | 87

That Robert Fisk article is great. Although Fisk has been vociferously anti-Assad going back to Hafez in the 1980s, he crossed a line by exposing the fraud of the Sarin/Chlorine gas attack in Douma.

Therefore, both Wikipedia and Snopes have decided to shelter us from his reporting on and from Douma.

Elliot Higgins and Belingcat are not just "reliable," but along with Snopes, have been appointed as guardians of "truth" by the US Ministry of Truth, but Robert Fisk, who Fisk holds more British and international journalism awards than any other foreign correspondent, and has been voted International Journalist of the Year seven times is not to be even considered.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 29 2018 20:20 utc | 88

The key is whether the Pakistani Army switched allegiance From Nawaz to Imran Khan because of Pakistan's growing ties to China, including jet fighter planes, a highway through POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) a new sea port etc. leading to a joke that BRICS was becoming PRICS.

From the article "What is your reaction to the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s (PTI) performance in the elections, and especially Imran Khan’s success in all five constituencies he contested? !!!

I knew that this would be the result. But I also knew that if elections were fair and free, there is no chance he would have won.

It is impossible that the party did well in so many places, including Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK), where the PTI government was unpopular. In other places like Lahore and Karachi, what is unbelievable is that serious and experienced candidates have been defeated by unknown novices from the PTI."

"this time the military establishment wanted to show their power … very purposefully in their support for Imran Khan. They were upset when Nawaz Sharif started to assert himself, especially on the India policy and the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, and that is when they let him go. Imran is the ideal puppet. He has no knowledge of a lot of complex issues, and he will be willing to follow their line."

Posted by: Thomas | Jul 29 2018 20:30 utc | 89

Posted by: Mark2 |@80

"Daniels comment re Pakistan conection to 9 11 adds to it, when you think most of those 911 terrorists came from Saudia Arabia !"

15 of the 19 patsies named as airliner hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were Saudis. I don't believe a word of the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCP) on 9/11.

For years, people were demanding to see the redacted "26 pages" of the 9/11 (c)Omission Report. All along I said that was a "limited hangout," intended to funnel our growing rejection of the OCP into sniffing for "the real culprits" in KSA. Sure, some Saudis wrote some of the checks (as did Pakistan’s ISI), but KSA has been a loyal vassal state to the AZ Empire ever since Britain backed that tribe of murderous nomads to conquer the Arabian Peninsula so as to corner the oil market.

Somehow this guy knew, even as people in the WTC were still being cooked alive, the entire OCP. He also called for precisely the multi-year Global War of Terror the US has been waging ever since. And he reaches out to extend the war to “rogue states,” Iraq, Iran and Libya. He must have had a crystal ball…. or something.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 29 2018 20:45 utc | 90

Large political appeal and financial means : describes US system
With its two big parties who alone are electable .

Posted by: Brian | Jul 29 2018 20:55 utc | 91

Daniel @ 90
Good video it's a give away ! There is such a mountain of evidence now. Why is there such an international public blind sport to 911 and perhaps even more importantly it's reproductions to following events. People just won't face the truth if it damages the status quo. And yet why do some of us poses the gift of needing the truth sigh ! You are one of the truth gifted.
Daniel what do you think of William cooper and what hapend to him ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 21:18 utc | 92

Daniel @90

Many people immediately suspected that the attack on 9-11 was due to Bin Laden's al Queda.

al Queda were known to attack a target again if they were not successful the first time. Many people forget that al Queda had attacked the World Trade Center in 1993. They came very close to knocking it down.

So it is not right to point fingers at anyone who suspected al Queda. We SHOULD turn the spotlight on those that played down the threat and/or ignored the warning signs and the lame investigation that happened afterward. There's information that indicates that US officials were negligent. There are valid questions about what intelligence agencies knew and whether they allowed an attack to happen.

Personal story:

- My sister-in-law was in the WTC when it was attacked in '93. She had to walk down 70 flights of smoke-filled stairs. I followed the al Queda threat after that.

- My young daughter was with her Mom in Soho (about a mile from WTC) on 9-11.

- My brother was in WTC the day before it was attacked (still has the visitor pass).

- I worked in the WTC for several years in the 80's (102nd floor!).

- I'm not Jewish. I don't have Jewish family members.

- I suspected it was al Queda on the day of 9-11 and told people (that day) of my suspicion.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 29 2018 21:52 utc | 93

Jackrabbit @ 93
My full respect to you to have been personally affected in so many ways ! This subject Is bound to be sensitive. You will no doubt know a vast amount more than me.can I ask your view commonly held! That no plains were involved and that it was a controlled thermite explosion!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 22:05 utc | 94

Jackrabbit 93

The US is and always has been closely aligned with the wahhabi cults. Saudi, UAE, and Qatar sponsor these groups - the middle man and cut out at times for the US, though in Syria US was dealing direct with AQ.
It is more than negligence on the part of US gov. Operation Northwoods, although not carried out shows what US is capable of. Operation MH17 shows that the Australian and Dutch governments are equally ready to sacrifice their civilians.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 29 2018 22:06 utc | 95


I believe that there were planes. I don't know enough to say kerosene fires were sufficient to bring down the towers.

I believe the fall of WTC7 is very suspicious.

I believe the 9-11 investigate was very flawed and was AT LEAST a cover-up for official negligence (the report contains lots of excuses and describes "missed opportunities").

I believe that the all-clear (that toxic substances were at safe levels) for rescue workers to "work the pile" (the WTC debris field) was criminal. I think Mayor Giuliani (who was lauded as "America's Mayor" for his 9-11 "leadership") bears some of that responsibility.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 29 2018 22:22 utc | 96

Mark2 @90. I haven't seen any polls in several years, but previously, the majority of USAmericans did not believe the 9/11 (c)Omission Report. Something like 2/3 of New Yorkers didn't believe it.

The same is true of the Warren (c)Omission Report on JFK's murder. On the 50th anniversary, I saw headlines saying that "fewer Americans than ever believe outrageous conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination." Those "fewest ever?" 60% by a poll intended to sweep anyone who though Lee Oswald was involved - even if they thought there were other shooters - into the category of believing the Official Story.

Cooper clearly knew what he was talking about a lot of the time. I see his analyses as being tainted by his religious beliefs, but anyone who could predict a 9/11 style attack, blamed on bin Laden months before it happened had a pretty good theory for how the world really works (or, he was in on it, which I don't believe).

I think his death was a hit. But, again his religious beliefs led him to a willingness to become a "martyr" by threatening to go down shooting if the cops came for him.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 29 2018 22:29 utc | 97

Peter AU 1: It is more than negligence on the part of US gov.

It very well may be. I think there's a good case for re-opening the investigation without resorting to "conspiracy theories" that may be true but are hard to prove. Officials use these conspiracy theories" to dismiss/discredit calls to re-open the investigation.

Any new investigation should (of course) be independent and explore all concerns (including the "conspiracy theories").

Now, with that said, I would quickly add that in recent years we have found that many "conspiracy theories" turn out to be true. It often feels like you can't be too skeptical when it comes to our "democratic" government.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 29 2018 22:32 utc | 98

Daniel @ 97
Yep I'm with you on all of that ! We could work down the list of evidences ( must be over 1000 I'd guess) but no need. A lord Chief Justice in uk. Once said ''very often circumstancal evidence can be the very best evidence '' that ruling became part of law ! Relevant here and pretty much all our detective work on Moa which I love so much. Thanks for replying.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2018 22:41 utc | 99

Jackrabbit 98

the like of are tin hat crazies, but as far as conspiracy on the part of the US government... much is still to come out. The wahhabi monarchies are the state sponsors of all their offshoot cults, yet these are the countries the US has not attacked and are its allies in the fake "The War on Terror'.
We most likely will never know the full details

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 29 2018 22:41 utc | 100

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