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July 01, 2018

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2018-33

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peter - you are doing fine!! we can't not ruffle feathers, especially in a public forum where we don't have the benefit of seeing all the other communication signals that would be helpful as we do in real life..

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2018 5:39 utc | 101

Malaysia and 1MDB are making the news a bit in the MSM. It seems the PM was corrupt, but his downfall came about because he was a bit pissed by MH17. After that FBI got on his case and have been the main movers and shakers of 1MDB.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 4 2018 6:36 utc | 102

Free speech and/vs civil discourse. It seems the two are as compatible as oil and water.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 4 2018 7:03 utc | 103

Civil discourse seems to have more going for it than the US version of free speech.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 4 2018 7:04 utc | 104

@ Zanon | Jul 3, 2018 12:35:43 PM | 81

"They dont have to have their "own" experience since they already see the troubles connected to the immigration policies in the neighbouring region.“
There are no such troubles. There a lies in the MSM about it as they profit from scandalous headlines. I live in Germany in such a "neighbouring region". Quite a number of foreigners and refugees but no such troubles. It is just a clever divide et impera tactique to frighten uninformed sheeples and drive them to the right of the political spectrum. And it works. As even QAnon seems to work. A similar thing. A big PsyOp. ;-)

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 7:13 utc | 105

Hausmeister

The failure to recognize and most of all - admit - that there is alot of trouble (sociological, crime, cultural, economically) related to immigration only benefit AFD and similar groups all over the west. Brexit, Trump: thats only the beginning due this refusal to see whats going on.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 8:34 utc | 106

81 zanon

Its like saying you shouldnt be allowed to support palestinians because you have no direct contact with israelis.

That's were you are coming from?

There has been an Israeli/European right wing coalition back to the times when Austrian FPÖ made a deal with Israel's deep state to form a Judeo-Christian front against Muslims and Israel to stop boycotting their coalition governments. You can google what happened when Jörg Haider was part of an Austrian coalition government.

Anti-semitism now is a problem of the left criticising Israel's right wing, never of US or European right-wing populists. Right-wing populists have found an enemy in Muslims.

Israel's zionist right-wing has an existential interest to prove that multiculturalism does not work and people are not equal. And yes, Breitbart is proud to have been conceived in Israel.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 9:07 utc | 107

106

No thats not where I come from, I just tried to show how wrong that argument is by comparsion.
Right wingers or not, increasing nuber of people doubt multiculuralism and rightly so.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 10:27 utc | 108

Senate Intel Committee Releases Old Findings on Russia, Media Acts Like They’re New
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/03/senate-intel-committee-releases-old-findings-on-russia-media-acts-like-theyre-new/

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 10:42 utc | 109

And another between Russia/Israel next week on Syria/Iran...

Contacts between Israel and Russia have intensified in recent months as Israel sees Putin as a key partner in its bid to curtail Iranian presence and influence in the Syria region that borders with the occupied Golan heights.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-putin-to-meet-next-week-in-moscow-1.6242389

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 10:50 utc | 110

109

Russia will not save Israel from the Palestinians.

Abbas ready to meet Netanyahu in Moscow

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 11:24 utc | 111

Here we go..again,

UK counter-terrorism police looking into 'unknown substance' incident concering 2 people near Salisbury – police
https://www.rt.com/uk/431691-police-salisbury-two-ill/

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 11:33 utc | 112

Lavrov gets it right again. Israel's 'demands' are totally unrealistic. Iran's support in Syria....military or otherwise....will be welcomed by Syrians.

" Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Wednesday after meeting with his Jordanian counterpart that Iran is one of the key powers in the region, and that it would be "absolutely unrealistic" to expect it to abandon its interests. He said regional powers should discuss mutual complaints and negotiate a compromise."


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/04/latest-russia-iran-pullout-from-syria-unrealistic.html

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2018 13:02 utc | 113

dh

Unrealistic perhaps in the sense Iran will pull out itself after demands, but that doesnt mean Russia want Iran to stay, from the link:

[Lavrov] said a cease-fire in the region brokered by Russia, Jordan and the U.S. had envisioned the withdrawal of non-Syrian forces and the deployment of Syrian troops along the frontier with Israel.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 13:34 utc | 114

@113 Lavrov is a very shrewd diplomat. He chooses his words carefully and he never commits to a specific timeline.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2018 14:01 utc | 115

@ Zanon | Jul 4, 2018 4:34:59 AM | 105
What is multiculturalism? An ideology, how things should be? Or do you mean the simple empirical description that quite a number of foreign-rooted people are here and we have to find a decent way to live together? - If people who are poor are stupid they let the elite (right-wingers are always servants of the o,1 %) push them against those immigrants instead of pursuing their own interests. This is what happens in Europe in this very moment. The expensis causes by right-wing populism are always paid by the lower stratum.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 15:38 utc | 116

Hausmeister

Considering that that it is the poor that is hit by the impact of the immigration, thats why these parties are growing.
In fact you sound very much like this "elite".

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 15:56 utc | 117

@ Zanon | Jul 4, 2018 11:56:41 AM | 116
Why don't the poor follow a policy against those who hit them? In fact you sound like a watch dog of this elite that tries to shock the poor into the wrong direction. Who is hit by the impact of immigration is a purely political decision. Intelligent people do not fall into the trap of scapegoat politics.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 16:06 utc | 118

Hausmeister

Thats what they are, they vote for parties that go against the established ones that have caused this mess.
Of course its political like anything else, equally your refusal to recognize their reality you base your arguments on political pro-immigration argumentation.
Immigration related problems is what they see, now I have said this so many times I have nothing more to add.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 16:14 utc | 119

@ Zanon | Jul 4, 2018 12:14:51 PM | 118
A pity. You forgot to advocate intelligence and proper descriptions of reality. „Immigration related problems is what they see, now I have said this so many times I have nothing more to add.“ See: there are strong problems of poor people where I live. But problems with immigrants are relatively unimportant against those. That you refuse to recognize reality and mistake scandalous headlines of MSM with reality does not change that. BTW, I did not drop pro-immigration arguments here. I just voted for using the brain. And running after scapegoat-politics is a brain disease. Just look at those anti-Muslim hysterical people in region where they simply did not experience any Muslims. Says it all.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 16:23 utc | 120

Hausmeister

I am trying to tell you how these people see the world, you simply refuse to accept that there is a growing despair when it comes to these people. Instead you call them "poor" and doesnt know better, its incredibly humiliting argumentation. Thats the exact logic they are growing, they are fed up with people like you who demand them to think like yourself (you even deny that you are biased, you are only "using your brain" people who dont share your views, apparently do not) and vote like yourself. They may be poor, dumb or whatever you may call them but they live in this world under dire situations with the welfare state putting alot of resources for immigration related (problems), they have as much right to vote as you for whatever party they feel represent them.
You simply refuse to see the world as a growing number people do, in 10-15 years AFD and similar parties will probably rule majority of european states, maybe you understand then the reality you deny today.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 16:30 utc | 121

@114 dh... i agree with you there..

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2018 17:09 utc | 122

I reckon zanon is a Mossad Zionist! Just saying. Def something fishy there don't get played! He played me. There bound to be here if you think about it. The clues in the name !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2018 17:22 utc | 123

craig murray on the latest and in typical failed empire style - Wheel Out the Skripal Story Again

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2018 17:35 utc | 124

@ Mark2 | Jul 4, 2018 1:22:30 PM | 122

No, he is not a Mossad Zionist. He is a alt right propagandist, with relative soft behaviours in this environment, who ran a lot of different nicknames in German blogs and got often blocked by the particular moderators. More kind of a lone desperate pathological soul.
Again his typical hystery: „...with the welfare state putting alot of resources for immigration related (problems),...“ - his hatred that these damned brown people get resources and he does not have the life he dreams of eats his soul. The typical behaviour of alt right Germans: in case of trouble they try to find somebody weaker than they are to trample on them.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 18:43 utc | 125

Hausmeister

Check this for example,

Migrant crime in Germany rises by 50 per cent, new figures show
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/

Now, people will support parties that will try to stop that of course, wouldnt you agree?

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 19:04 utc | 126

Housmeister@ 125
Thanks that makes a lot of sense. I'l go with that ! Respect to you.
Ha ha the other day I suggested he join ANTIFA !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2018 19:21 utc | 127

126

Damn statistics ... :-))

Crime rate in Germany at lowest level in 30 years, but antisemitism is on the rise

The German crime rate has fallen by five per cent since last year, hitting its lowest rate since 1992.

The new government figures show that 5.76 million crimes were reported in 2017. As a percentage of the population, crime is now at its lowest level for 30 years.

“Germany has become safer,” Interior Minister Horst Seehofer said on Tuesday, as the figures were released, but he warned “much remains to be done,” as 44 per cent of Germans said they felt less secure in Germany than they did a few years ago.

Telegraph's article you quote is from the year before but talks relative raise not absolute numbers.

This here is a Reuters English summary on the same numbers (2016) and what de Maiziere said.

Number of migrant criminal suspects in Germany surged in 2016

You notice the difference of the word "suspect" ?

Migrants accounted for 8.6 percent of all crime suspects in Germany in 2016, up from 5.7 percent the previous year.

De Maiziere said one reason for the high crime rate among migrants was likely to be their accommodation situation. In 2016 many were living in makeshift shelters or sharing crowded rooms.

So the problem is in the dentention centers?

Here is another aspect of it

Migrants may be responsible for most of a recent rise in violent crime in Germany, research commissioned by the government suggests.

The study used data from Lower Saxony, a state where more than 90% of the rise was attributed to young male migrants.

The researchers say the findings are not surprising because many migrants who arrived in Germany in recent years are single males aged 14-30.

This group is most likely to commit crime, irrespective of nationality.

The researchers also said that migrants were twice as likely to be reported to police for alleged violent crimes as German nationals.

So Germany's crime rate sinks as its population gets older but young migrants bring it up again.

You suggest to get rid of 15 to 30 year old guys to make Germany safe?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 19:36 utc | 128

@ Mark2 | Jul 4, 2018 3:21:50 PM | 127
Look, he behaves so predictable again. The same stuff (hysterical MSM snippets) he and many other alt right guys used in the last 2 years for flooding German blogs. They stopped any rational discussion. Instead of discussing the next alarming snippet.
I remember one event in such a blog. A right winger claimed a certain named street in Stuttgart has developed to be so dangerous because of foreigner-based crimes that one cannot continue to visit that place. Another commenter by chance visited that street within a week, talked to people who live and work there and reported that this is all nonsense. Result: nothing. The next alarming snippet. This behaviour of being trapped into a filter bubble kills any political discussion. Even if one points to QAnon and cites statements from there it does not heal them, imagine this! I do not think that I have no patience in discussions. But these filter bubble kids are lost souls. I am sure of that.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 19:44 utc | 129

somebody

Actually if you read my link it deals with immigrant crimes, not overall crimes that your first link deals with,

"The crime rate among migrants in Germany rose by more than 50 per cent last year, according to new figures that have raised concerns the populist far-Right may seize on the issue in the run-up to September’s elections."

The german minister is of course correct when he says:

"“This is not something to gloss over,” Thomas de Maiziere, the interior minister, said as he presented the figures. “Those who commit serious offences here forfeit their right to stay here.”

Perhaps a remainder for some people that try to deny this reality.


Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 20:32 utc | 130

You do not need propaganda from either side of the migrant debate in the EU to understand two important rules of life as a national:

1) Increased welfare breeds a tremendous amount of resentment from native nationals and triggers the kind of critical mass in divisiveness that we are seeing today; to look the other way while a country is literally exposing its bleeding heart to be gradually drained is an exercise in either naivety or subtle subversion of cultural identity.

2) Anyone who imagines a welfare state inducing a kind of peaceful utopia where no one is nasty to each other is suffering the worst kind of delusion, that of the "do-gooder." People are on their best behavior when they are working and at their worst when saddled with idle hands. So tell me again about all the jobless migrants collecting checks, sitting idly, and behaving as functional members of society. I do not buy it.

I believe that open borders are a tool of globalists and if war abroad could be curtailed, you would see the best of all possible outcomes: the globalists stopped in their tracks, brown people being able to go "home," and national and cultural identities maintained. Who could argue against this point?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2018 20:38 utc | 131

@ NemesisCalling | Jul 4, 2018 4:38:15 PM | 131
Yes - and in order to reach this goal
„...if war abroad could be curtailed, you would see the best of all possible outcomes: the globalists stopped in their tracks, brown people being able to go "home," and national and cultural identities maintained. Who could argue against this point?“
we do not fall into the trap of a scapegoat confusion politic against immigrants. Positive thinking is possible, positive claims for the majority of citizens as well.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 4 2018 20:47 utc | 132

Hausmeister@129
I'm with you all the way with absolutely everything you say there. I don't like to give up on enyone were all human! But some of them are totally programend there not interested in reality. The human equivalent of a computer virus!
Ironically they need deradicalisation. whilst they rattle on about radical Muslims.thanks and keep in touch. I like ya style!

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2018 20:56 utc | 133

integer @97. I started, but didn't finish that older article on Soros. I've known of his connections to "Intelligence" and his pivotal role in "color revolutions" across the globe for years. The evidence that he's behind many of these anti-Trump protests is overwhelming. He's a very nasty piece of work.

I do not see him as "the puppet master" as some do. He was groomed into his role for the supra-national financial industry since childhood. ie. his Nazi collaboration either confirmed his psychopathy or was part of his "Trauma Based Mind Control."

Have you read Churchill's essay on "The International Jewish Conspiracy?" He argues that powerful Jews are divided into two camps; the bolsheviks and the zionists. Using that lens, I'd describe Soros as the bolshevik side of the NWO crowd.


You see, what I don't believe is that the "Establishment" (including CIA/MI6 and especially Mossad) opposes Trump. Yes, I read the MSM narrative that the "Deep State" opposes him. I don't believe them, and have collected a fair bit of evidence since 2016 to support that hypothesis. He is serving his role for those same supra-financial interests, just as Wilbur Ross thought he could.

This is getting pretty OT for MoA. But if you'd like to consider a contrary view, perhaps we can meet on an Open Thread.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 4 2018 21:07 utc | 134

@132 hausmeister

I see no problem with controlled immigration for people who are educated about the nation they are entering and feel a desire for aquiesesnce to the overriding cultural identity.

Where I believe the EU is experiencing a breakdown in their culture and developing a kind of self-defeating schizophrenia is in their allowing migrant enclaves to form. It is asinine that TPTB think this is a reasonable and teneable new reality, especially because of the resentment that this welfare situation instills in natives.

If pointing this out qualifies as scapegoating then I suppose we should all just shut up and let our glorious leaders decide what is best for us!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2018 21:11 utc | 135

130 You should stop reading facts selectively. The Reuters link I gave you reports the same statistics and the same de Maiziere press conference.
Your Telegraph link also says this

“We cannot allow all refugees living among us to be put under general suspicion. The vast majority live with us and adhere to our rules and values.”

Most of the crimes are committed by repeat offenders, and just 1 per cent of migrants account for 40 per cent of migrant crimes, according to the figures.

A fifty percent increase of suspects from 5.7 is 8.6, these are the numbers for 2016.

Deutsche Welle gives more context to the same numbers reporting on the same press conference

Nevertheless, one statistic stuck out in the report - while police had registered only 114,000 criminal incidents among asylum-seekers and refugees in 2015, there were 174,000 in 2016. "Among the violent crimes, there were 1 percent more Germans, but 90 percent more migrant suspects," de Maiziere said - before adding that many of these crimes took place among the asylum-seekers themselves inside shelters.

For that reason, Saxony Interior Minister Markus Ulbig, who was also at Monday's press conference in his capacity as chairman of the council of state interior ministers, said he expected that figure to sink again as asylum-seekers were moved out of mass shelters.

Turns out he was right: The number of migrant suspects fell in 2017. Overall crime rate was also lower in 2017. It has been the lowest since 1992. So Germany in reality got safer despite immigration.

Your fear simply not based on fact.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 21:18 utc | 136

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4, 2018 4:38:15 PM | 131

I would never try to argue against "beliefs".

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 21:19 utc | 137

@137 somebody

Good, because in this case, you would prove yourself a damn fool.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2018 21:28 utc | 138

somebody

Read what my link say, my link deals with immigrant crimes specifically,

Also note that more immigrants going to jail are rising steadily, which of course tells us more about the crime relation to immigration:

Since 2015, the number of Syrian, Afghan, Eritrean, Iraqi and Serbian migrants in German prisons has risen steadily, according to information obtained from five state justice ministries, which highlighted the trend in the largest groups of migrants arriving to the country in recent years.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-states-look-to-reintegration-to-reduce-migrant-crime/a-43111505

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 21:30 utc | 139

139 But how come overall crime in Germany has been lowest since 1992? Is the country safe or not?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 21:41 utc | 140

somebody

Many people do not feel safe and thats an issue related to immigration in many aspects yes.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 21:48 utc | 141

141 I agree. It is psychological.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 21:56 utc | 142

somebody

Well if you think its psychological you can do that, considering that immigrants bring crime I think its rational to trying to stop that through voting out the parties that also believe this is just psychological.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 4 2018 22:01 utc | 143

Hello MoA commentators that are responding to Zanon

Excellent job of outing his/her/its psyops that immigrants automagically bring crime anywhere they go.

Carry on please and thank you

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2018 22:20 utc | 144

143 So you think the statistics that say that Germany has the lowest crime rate since 1992 are wrong?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2018 22:21 utc | 145

I see nobody bothered to read and discuss any of the very in-depth reports I provided about the viability of tight-rock hydrocarbons. That will be the last set of reports and links I provide. It's clear that my efforts are wasted here. Ta!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2018 23:26 utc | 146

Why is Justin Trudeau's Military Attache in Ukraine Meeting with a Nazi Militia?

https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1014595002838798338

"Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 4 2018 23:39 utc | 147

Karlofi @ 146
You are highly respected here and it would be a massive loss to lose your work, I know I speak for everyone here.
I am not good at research. But am learning. This morning I was looking for the western connection to financial curuption in Africa (a big place) I found so much I was on overload. And that's my point ! So so much reality at the moment. We must'nt weaken!!! Hang on in there, my very best regards.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2018 1:05 utc | 148

somebody @107 points out the long-standing coalition between right-wing Europeans and USAmericans and the Zionist Entity.

I'm reading a fascinating article on that warmongering propagandist, Michael Weiss, that includes his grooming and backing to step into the role of an "objective liberal" who just so happens to hate all enemies of the Zionist state and love the most despicable sorts who support it.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 3:24 utc | 149

I should perhaps add that I do not agree with all of Silverstein's views, including several he states in the article on Michael Weiss I posted @149.

But I do think that much of the information he presents about Weiss is accurate, and helps to understand where that vile POS is coming from.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 4:44 utc | 150

@ somebody | Jul 4, 2018 6:21:20 PM | 145
Thanks a lot for your brillant insert! Facts first is always the right method. In this case it seems convincing for most readers but not for „Zanon“. Why?
In 2015, when the Syrian refugees started to come to Germany in bigger numbers, this type of coursing agitation appeared before any criminal faults could be reported. Out of a sudden the alt right commenters in blogs switched to this coursing mode and killed the blogs. This „Zanon“ was a loud member of it. Moving to alt right positions is not a reaction caused by immigrants. Opposite. The existence of immigrants gives hope to alt right people to gain political power through this agitation. The amount of people vulnerable to such „thinking“ is up to ca. 20-30%, depending on the level of education. The same number one has with the Turkish-based element of the population towards the Islamo-fascist messages of Erdogan. In Germany and in Turkey. The filter bubbles have their own elasticity but no connection to facts. For shaping the political opinion more important is the fact that some prominent small-bourgeois figures (they still call themselves „intellectuals“) find this alt-right shite „hot“ and joined. One example: https://www.welt.de/kultur/stuetzen-der-gesellschaft/. it is not possible to read any discussion on such places. Only fanboys are visible. This is most likely the real damage. Is it better in the USA?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 6:37 utc | 151

151
Lots of this are astroturfed psyops. Like PEGIDA - Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West - where you can smell the rat.

Part of the 2015 refugee flow was an attempt to blackmail Europe "to do something". Angela Merkel avoided the blackmail (partly, because in the end she paid Turkey for sheltering refugees), by saying "wir schaffen das".

AFD are nationalists within Europe - which will presumably kill the movement as feasable when Austria is threatening to "close the Brenner to cause a jam till Nurenberg" over immigration.

People are vulnerable when they feel they are the losers - Trump keeps harping endlessly on this - and try to feel like winners to feel better.
For this you need someone who is worse off than yourself. For this you need a nationalist movement that tells you, you are on the top because of your descendance.

Migrants feel like winners because they consider Germany the paradise compared to where they come from. This will need a few generations to change.

People in the GDR - in Eastern Europe - in 1989 lost, they had to relearn most things. Qualifications in central planning, sociology, politics, philosophy, Russian language skills, party membership suddenly became useless, a hindrance.

Accelerating globalization is another shock, again you have to relearn, again your qualifications are quickly outdated and useless. This now applies to the "cultural elite", too.

There is no easy way to feel like a winner any more.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 7:48 utc | 152

somebody

If you take for example the sexual harassment and rapes during the New York Eve celebration in Germany for example,
it was something new, and it was directly related to migrants,

Many of the incidents involved women being surrounded and assaulted by groups of men on the street.[30][31] Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers stated that the perpetrators in his city were reportedly men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

Now you tell us that this is just "psychological" that woman werent attacked?
I think thats such a disrespect against the women that fell victim of these people.
Logically one condemn this and admit these crimes, instead of acting like a social justice warrior for the criminals.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 8:03 utc | 153

@ somebody | Jul 5, 2018 3:48:23 AM | 152
„There is no easy way to feel like a winner any more.”
Like Dr. Frankn'furter in The Rocky Horror Picture Show:
„It's not easy having a good time!“
One thing one can always try: use the brain and avoid any kind of simplistic populism and narratives.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 8:08 utc | 154

I had read this in the MSM but now Magnier
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1014615585966174208
"If #Iran is prevented from selling its oil, no oil will cross the Persian Gulf", a clear warning from the #IRGC commander Admiral Kawthari to the world, and particularly to #USA and #SaudiArabia."

There was also a bit in the news not long back about Trump wanting to invade Venezuela. He wants to take Venezuela down as he personally has initiated sanctions against them. If he can set the Persian Gulf on fire and grab Venezuela's oil, that puts China in a very bad position and US in a good position, realizing US energy dominance which is a term he coined.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 5 2018 8:31 utc | 155

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 4:03:58 AM | 153

Of course. There is no use talking statistics here, as what counts as rape asks for definition. A good rule is that the woman should define what is rape or not. And statistics are driven by women going to the police or not. Which depends on a lot of factors.

The majority of immigrants are young men, and German women are either interested or not.

Bi-national mariages are on the rise.

If you assume that woman are the ones suffering most from the refugee intake you would think that women vote AFD more than men, right?

Fact is more men vote for AFD

So, if you talk sexual politics, are AFD men afraid they lose out with women compared to immigrants?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 8:48 utc | 156

add to 156

It is too late for a fantasy of Germany being biologically "German".

One fifth of the population has some "migration background" and close to 40 % of children under five.

If you insist on being a loser, vote AFD.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 8:58 utc | 157

somebody

Men are more likely to be attacked than women, so, using your argument do they have a reason to vote for AFD then?
If your wife, daughter or mother were subjected to the crimes of rape by migrants it is pretty obvious that you would not vote for the parties
that have caused this mess.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 11:02 utc | 158

@ Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 7:02:36 AM | 158
The usual unproven claims: „...for the parties that have caused this mess.“
Most rapes happen through Germans. it is not helpful to paste more prefabricated text blocks here. For non-German readers: in Germany the center of the production of such alt right text blocks is called „Achse des Guten“. The alt right people are quite active in blogs. Exactly in the style that „Zanon“ shows here with his pasting performance. No productive dialogue (in this part he has lost by far), just schematical repetitions. And again: this negative attitude towards refugees is not based on their real behaviour, it was ready before they came.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 12:55 utc | 159

Hausmeister

See what NemeisCalling said earlier above:

I see no problem with controlled immigration for people who are educated about the nation they are entering and feel a desire for aquiesesnce to the overriding cultural identity.

That is a sentence most europeans support, but thats not what we see today with massive refugees coming in. You shouldnt talk about races, its irrelevant what race or color people have.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 13:32 utc | 160

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 7:02:36 AM | 158

Men are more likely to be attacked than women

So we are back to discussing violence excluding sexual violence?

Of course, men are more likely to try to solve a dispute by physical force than women, who usually would try to talk themselves out of conflict.

Why are men so violent?

It will not have gone unnoticed that men are more violent than women. Men perpetrate about 90 percent of the world's homicides and start all of the wars.

Men very likely get attacked because they fight. Did this ever occur to you?

This here is a report on what happens at Munich's very traditional Octoberfest - it is a tradition, foreigners have nothing to do with it.

This here is a report from Austria - in German.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 14:03 utc | 161

There’s no reasoning with the Soros-funded ‘Open Borders’ people.

Funny (not!) how they never talk about Israel’s closed border.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5 2018 14:15 utc | 162

Syrian refugees are displaced by a war that is largely conducted by and for Israel and Saudi Arabia. Yet these two countries will not accept refugees. These wealthy countries have some of the most restrictive immigration policies of any country.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5 2018 14:22 utc | 163

@ Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 9:32:21 AM | 160

„You shouldnt talk about races, its irrelevant what race or color people have.“
Sorry, am I in a madhouse? I did not speak of races. - Alt right in Germany are not all racists. But all claim there would be a principal cultural incompatibility between German/europena culture and that of Near East immigrants. They even started something incredible like „Islam critique“. To criticize a religion, imagine that! Both is nonsense. True is: some percentage of Near Eastern immigrants, whose integration is not very successful, stick to a fairy tale, a superelevated version of their own culture in the German environment that they sense as alien. Those are the typical Erdogan voters. And it is also true that a certain, but bigger percentage of German alt right people have ideologies that are incompatible with democracy and rule of law. With alt right I mean the demand that politics define cultural identity. BTW, Erdogan tries the same.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 14:27 utc | 164

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 9:32:21 AM | 160

ok.

desire for aquiesesnce to the overriding cultural identity

"Desire" and "aquiescence" is quite a contradiction? "overriding cultural identity?" - does it exist? Christian - hardly - most people in Germany are atheist - the constitution? - of course, nobody has a problem with that except AFD who don't accept people are equal and that nobody can be discriminated against or treated favorably because of race, gender, country or origin, beliefs, religious or political opinions. German constitution says "all humans" - not "all Germans". Lots of AFD stuff is unconstitutional.

After 150 years German identity is still very regional especially when concepts like "Heimat" are introduced into political discourse - Seehofer is mainly viable in Bavaria.

I quite like the title of the paper from the link above:
"A Nation of Provincials: The German Idea of Heimat" It sums it up.

"Controlled immigration" - controlled by whom? controlled in what? See German constitution forbidding discrimination.

If Germany wants the "desired immigration" - ie skilled workers, specialists who are needed, the best of scientists, Germany will have to advertise. AFD is extremely bad PR.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 14:34 utc | 165

Hausmeister

You have talked about "brown" people (125) and at 159 you say in your last sentence that people hate migrants just because they are migrants. So again, this has nothing to do with race but with the behavior of the refugees, thats why I posted the very good quote by NemesisCalling.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 14:35 utc | 166

somebody

Its about voting for the party that want to stop the criminals from coming here,

Terrorism is another case related to migrants,

Terrorism on the rise in Germany, prompting police to clamp down on extremists
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/21/terrorism-on-rise-in-germany-prompting-police-to-clamp-down-on-extremists.html

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 14:44 utc | 167


Conservative MP Wants To Haul Putin Before The Hague

https://twitter.com/natnewswatch/status/1014661447039750144

"Conservative MP James Bezan wants to see Russian President Vladimir Putin tried at the Hague for war crimes and he's sponsored a parliamentary petition to try to make it happen..."

Canada continues to allow itself to be captured and used by foreign lobbies, be it Ukraine or Israel to advance foreign agendas. Trudeau and Freeland will push Ukraine at the upcoming NATO meeting in the face of growing weariness of that country's terminal disfunction and bottomless corruption.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 5 2018 15:06 utc | 168

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 10:44:36 AM | 167

As I said in 145. Germany has the lowest crime rate since 1992.

But your fox news link talks of terrorism.

This is Verfassungsschutz on right wing crimes.

In 2015, the total number of crimes (21,933) and acts of violence (1,408) motivated by right-wing extremism considerably increased compared to the previous year. Acts of violence increased by 42.2%. Most offences involved causing bodily harm. ... Three aspects of the developments regarding acts of violence are particularly worth noting:

There are indications of organised violence up to first signs of right-wing terrorist structures.

Xenophobic acts of violence are also committed by individuals outside right-wing extremist structures.

The range of victims is expanding (politicians, police officers, journalists, members of refugee organisations, etc.).

Even though the use of violence by right-wing extremists is typically spontaneous, it has the overall effect of strategic violence.

This is Verfassungsschutz on left wing crimes

In the area of left-wing politically motivated crime, 5,620 (2014: 4,424) criminal of-fences with an extremist background were recorded, out of which, 1,608 (2014: 995) were violent criminal offences.
The number of violent criminal offences with a left wing extremist background that were directed against the police and security authorities increased dramatically to 1,032 (2014: 623). Moreover, the number of violent criminal offences against actual or supposed right-wing extremists increased to 833 (2014: 367). In the category "Violent criminal offences against the State, its institutions and symbols" the trend is the same with a total of 572 (2014: 326) registered offences in 2015. In 2015 there were eight attempted homicides motivated by left-wing extremism (2014: seven).

This is Verfassungsschutz on foreign political motivated crimes without Islamism

In the area of politically motivated crime by foreigners, 1,524 criminal offences were classified as having an extremist background in 2015 (2014: 2,014), including 235 (2014: 259) violent offences.

And - Islamist crime https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/en/fields-of-work/islamism-and-islamist-terrorism/figures-and-facts-islamism

- no numbers. Just description of organizations. And supposed danger.

The number of terrorist acts by Islamists in Germany known from the papers are below ten. There was the Berlin attack by Anis Amri in 2016. Apart from that knife wielding confused teenagers. One suicide attack. You find a Wikipedia list here.


So where do you think is terrorist danger in Germany, on the left, fighting the police at demonstrations, the right intimidating citizens, foreign extremist parties fighting it out amongst themselves, or with Islamists.

And, would immigration control change any of this. A large part of 9/11 in 2001 was done by a Hamburg cell.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 15:50 utc | 169

@ Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 10:44:36 AM | 167

„You have talked about "brown" people (125)“ - Yes, some Germans have trouble with irony. They need a „Vorschrift“ to place an irony-tag, for multicultural mutual understanding. ;-)

„...and at 159 you say in your last sentence that people hate migrants just because they are migrants.“
Not „people“ hate migrants. Alt right people do this, and folks who follow them. Even without having learnt to know any migrants. Not a thought crime, but an absence of thought crime. Such people should prefer not to vote as they are not interested in these matters?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 15:52 utc | 170

somebody

Yes I brought up terrorism as another problem area that is connected to migration.
If there are 2 parties, 1 want open borders - letting these people into the country and then another party that want to stop that, who would you vote for?


Hausmeister

If you read what I said, I said that "That is a sentence most europeans support, but thats not what we see today with massive refugees coming in. "
Thats clearly unrelated to your fixation on "brown" people.
Why else do you think AFD and similar groups are growing? Namely becaues the unlimited open borders policies. If this is regulated and stopped, AFD will die out. You make them grow.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 17:05 utc | 171

somebody

Another problem is of course the pressure, not to mention ecomically these thousands terror offences render:

The country’s association of judges warns the country could face a shortage of judges and prosecutors.


A spokesperson for the prosecutor’s office said it had started around 1200 proceedings involving suspected terrorist acts. About 1000, were connected with suspected Islamic extremism. In 2016, there were about 250 cases, of which 200 involved suspected Islamic extremists.

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-fold-surge-in-terror-cases-launched-by-german-authorities/

I.e. another vote for AFD.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 17:22 utc | 172

@ Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 1:22:31 PM | 172
Sorry, I feel tired from those text block exchanges. I know them since long. And to work with irony tags I find humiliating. As Frank Lübberding, till recently editor of a nice German blog that was ruined through such alt right techniques lately, had once expressed it: if somebody wants to use hustling hate speech agitations like we see them now nobody will stop that. No censorship, no moderation. Just the cruel unsurmountable power of lack of attention will do it. This is the attitude that the vast majority of people where I live has towards alt right social media activities. Good taste wins. Nice to have learnt that.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 18:12 utc | 173

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5, 2018 1:22:31 PM | 172

Yep. He also describes what "connected with suspected Islamic extremism" means, just politico is too lazy to dig deeper.

In German

zum Beispiel wegen Aufenthalten in Terrorcamps, der Ausreise in Kampfgebiete oder Terrorismusfinanzierung.

Translation:

For example because of stays in terror camps, emigration into areas of war and financing of terrorism.

From 2011 Germany increasingly a center for terrorism in Europe

Terrorism is on the rise in Germany. The phenomenon is not new, although it has taken on various forms over the decades. During the Weimar Republic, terrorism was routinely practiced as elected officials were beaten and murdered. The political climate eventually led to the rise of the Nazis. In the 1960s, the Red Army Faction (RAF) appeared on the scene. Several generations devoted themselves to targeting what they saw as Western imperialism. Today, the threat of terrorism in Germany comes from Islamic radicals, which is viewed as the country’s primary national security concern.

In 2005, German authorities began recording the number of potential “Islamic militants” inside the country.1 In January 2005, there were 105 individuals posing a potential national security threat. By January 2007, that figure had dropped to 65. By January 2011, however, it had risen sharply to 130. Of these, 59 are German natives, whereas in 2009 only 27 were German natives. Seventeen of the 130 are imprisoned in Germany, while 43 are currently abroad suspected of supporting armed jihad. Of the 43 abroad, six are imprisoned in foreign countries. Approximately 96 of the 130 are citizens within the European Union.2 The majority of the radicals are centered in Berlin, Hamburg, and North Rhine-Westphalia. Five would-be extremists leave Germany on average each month to go to one of the militant training camps in Pakistan.3
Another feature is the growth of converts4 to Islam who have become radicalized. In 2007, the percentage of radicals in Germany who were converts to Islam was 8.2%. By the end of 2010 that figure had increased to 17.7%.5 Of the 130, five of the individuals are women—all German nationals living in Berlin. Three of the women are converts, and German authorities believe that they have all traveled to the Pakistani tribal areas with their husbands

The list is highly selective. 2011 was also the year when German police found out that right wing terrorists had been killing immigrants for a decade. And there was the right-wing Octoberfest bombing in 1980 that killed and injured indiscriminately.

So there have been German terrorists throughout the lifetime of the Federal Republic and reunited Germany.

What has migration got to do with it? I would rather suspect secret services and stay behind organizations trying a "strategy of tension".

Posted by: somebody | Jul 5 2018 18:47 utc | 174

If immigration is always good, as claimed by the ‘Open Borders’ activists, then why has Israel, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia refused Syrian refugees? Why has Turkey stopped taking them?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 5 2018 19:16 utc | 175

somebody

Its the same all over the west:

EU jihadist arrests rise for third year

It said 142 people died in terrorist attacks and 379 people were injured, and that nearly all fatalities and most of the injuries were caused by jihadists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40297599

Even Merkel do not even believe in this policy anymore:

Germany, Austria set talks with Italy to shut southern migrant route
https://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL8N1U14JT

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 5 2018 19:19 utc | 176

@146 karlof1... i would like to 2nd marks comment to you @148.. i hope you continue to share your viewpoint, knowledge and receptivity to continuing to be a part of an ever changing community here..

@176 jrabbit... yes - that is how i see it too..

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2018 19:23 utc | 177

@ Jackrabbit | Jul 5, 2018 3:16:18 PM | 176

„If immigration is always good, as claimed by the ‘Open Borders’ activists, then why has Israel, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia refused Syrian refugees? Why has Turkey stopped taking them?“

Just not to be misunderstood: I am no open border activist. I am trying to follow the principle to use the brain and found interpretations on facts. Therefore I am strictly anti-alt-right. The Turkish AKP-followers, the German AfD-sympathizers and the American alt rights guys are for me brothers in soul, sitting in the same boat. And they constantly lie to and cheat their own followers. That the German AfD politicians went to Syria right now I applaud, but to support the essence of right-wing zionism at the same time dilutes it...

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 5 2018 19:39 utc | 178

@165 "Desire" and "aquiescence" is quite a contradiction? "overriding cultural identity?" - does it exist?

Probably not. And I think you have pinpointed the problem. Germans don't know who they are anymore. Same goes for Brits, French & Italians. I's very confusing especially for older people. They do not share Merkel's vision of a bright multicultural future. Not to worry....they'll all be dead in 10-20 years anyway.

Posted by: dh | Jul 5 2018 19:43 utc | 179

@165 somebody

Yes, my sentence does contain a contradiction there. My mistake. I think I was trying to put forth that there is a need for a sacrafice to be made by translocating yourself or your family to a new country. I imagine it is very difficult and the product of an individual's will. "Assimilation" is a better word and that means that it takes work, something a welfare state does not adequately implore.

I return to my original idea that sowing chaos in the MENA and open border migration in the EU go hand-in-hand and was sinisterly deployed as a tactic or perhaps a neccessary evil, as in the case of Turkey threatening to open the flood gates into Europe, by globalists.

Why? Because they are fucking morons. Isn't Germany already offering incentives for refugees to return to the MENA? Something like 1000 euros?! Yeah...that'll get anyone to return to their NATO-bombed shithole of origin.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2018 19:53 utc | 180

@179 dh

If that is true then we have already lost the battle. I am still a very proud westerner at heart, however, and will raise my children according to this. What a shame, though,to succumb to orientalism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2018 20:02 utc | 181

@181 Well I was extrapolating. I think Western culture will survive OK. The problems begin when one suggests it might be superior....or heaven forbid preferable. That's when the race card gets played.

Posted by: dh | Jul 5 2018 20:13 utc | 182

In the late 1960s, US found oil at Prudhoe bay and by 1970 it was a proved crude oil reserve.
Due to environmental and other legal challenges, construction of the pipeline was held up.

In late 1972 the US Secretary of the Interior declares the trans-Alaska pipeline to be in the US national interest

1973-74. OPEC oil embargo due to US backing of Israel pushes oil prices up in an initial rise.

1973 (OPEC oil embargo) The Trans-Alaska pipeline Authorization Act legislation is quickly pushed through. Signed by Nixon on November 16 1973. This blocked all further challenges allowing construction to begin. pdf

Late 1973 Nixon along with Saudi Arabia create the petro dollar beginning in 1974.

The trans-Alaska pipeline is pushed through to meet a deadline, no costs spared, first oil delivered through the pipeline 28th July 1977, extra pumps then installed and pipeline running at full capacity by 1980. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System

1979-80 the price of oil skyrockets due to the Iranian revolution. The US is now the global economic hegemon as all countries now need US dollars to purchase oil.

Historical crude oil price chart https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/65661/111554736.48/0_118d4e_344fb37_orig

Nixon and Kissinger. 2016, the old business model is at the end of its productive life.
Trump and Kissinger. Think bigly. Energy dominance.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 5 2018 20:53 utc | 183

somebody @152 observes, "People are vulnerable when they feel they are the losers - Trump keeps harping endlessly on this..."

I know. After 500 years of world domination, I finally became a middle-aged white male just in time for that to become an oppressed minority.

How I wish I'd been born a poor, dark-skinned lesbian (and better still, also a desperate refugee driven from my home) so I could take advantage of all the great perquisites they get!

somebody, I was all set to write that I could feel the impact of your knock-out punch to Zanon by brilliantly analyzing the very data he/she/it/they posted as "proof," but son-of-a-gun, you seem to be debating a zombie.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 22:32 utc | 184

somebody @161 regarding Octoberfest.

It is long past time for Germany to pass sensible stein-control legislation. Germany has the highest 1-liter stein per capita rate in the world! These stein-nuts often own several steins. Why? One cannot use more than one stein at a time!

Do it for the children!

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 22:45 utc | 185

So Trump wants to invade Venezuela and Iran and he's separated thousands of children from their parents and isn't lifting a finger to reunite them. Not to mention that he's helping Saudi Arabia with its war crimes in Yemen. NK's Kim should string him along for as long as possible until enough of the world's population turn against this batshit crazy tyrant, Trump. By that time, Kim will look like Gandhi next to Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 5 2018 22:48 utc | 186

If people keep thinking he is batshit crazy, he will win.
I put up the senario I think he will pull over at SST.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 5 2018 22:54 utc | 187

Nemesis @180 supposes, "sowing chaos in the MENA and open border migration in the EU go hand-in-hand and was sinisterly deployed as a tactic or perhaps a neccessary evil..."

Yep! This is a theory I've been positing for a couple of years now. It was obvious that the Global War OF Terror would create desperate refugees. It was obvious that neoliberal/neocolonial economic plundering would create desperate refugees.

Gaddafi even warned Europe that destroying the Libyan government would open Europe to mass migration of the same poor, desperate Africans that he was trying to help raise up with the pan-African currency and development bank, and exporting of technologies like the brilliant 'Man Made River" irrigation system that turned vast swaths of the Sahara Desert into verdant farmland.

Then Erdogan opened the Bosporous crossing.

For a Europe already reeling from years of "austerity" and the 2008 Great Recession whose "recovery" has gone almost entirely to the 1%, it was also obvious that bringing in millions of desperate, poor foreigners would create anxiety and discord.

I don't know why the 0.01% psychopaths set out to destroy Europe, and tear the people apart, but it seems clear that was deliberate.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 23:14 utc | 188

Peter AU @183 and 187.

Exactly! Thanks for providing the timeline so succinctly.

And yes, it's counter-productive to consider Trump "crazy," but more so, to consider him an "outsider" or "hated by the Establishment." His Administration is continuing and escalating the very same policies the US/AZ Empire has been practicing for many decades.

The Banksters LOVE Trump. The MIC LOVES Trump. The Zionists LOVE Trump. The Stock Market manipulators LOVE Trump.

We need to pay attention to what is actually happening, and not the MSM narrative.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 5 2018 23:24 utc | 189

This is what I posted at SST earlier.

I think Trump's game is much larger. Chinese economy is the main target with pressure all round. Cutting China's access to oil may be the main strategy.
Around 48% of China's oil imports come from the Persian Gulf. On one side is Iran, which has always been a target and on the other side is KSA, who Trump holds as the state sponsor of 9/11. Once KSA has been milked dry, it wouldn't take much to set a fire going between KSA and Iran. No US military involvement required.

A map of the countries that do not recognize Israel
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Foreign_relations_of_Israel_Map_July_2011.PNG

And a map of world proven oil reserves.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IAlaKQi4NBs/UwMTRdsWL2I/AAAAAAAACOo/_6Wom7SNg2w/s1600/2012+World+proved+crude+Oil+reserves.png

Venezuela feature in both these maps. Trump has initiated actions against Venezuela. He has also spoken of invading Venezuela.

His views from the years before the election campaign.
When asked about Iraq-9/11 he said Iraq wasn't responsible, I think we should be looking at Saudi Arabia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNqeUaGJexU (30 sec mark. have seen a video of the interview but cannot find it now)
He also said that as US had invaded Iraq, US should have taken the oil.

During the election campaign, China and Iran were the two target countries. He promised to bring manufacturing back to the US, and he coined the term 'energy dominance'.

He has a small faction of the US elite behind him that are most likely smarter and more pragmatic than the hate Russia/full spectrum dominance crowd and with his support of Israel and bring back jobs, a large voter base amongst the evangelicals and deplorables spread across the majority of states.

How bigly is Trump Thinking?
.....

After posting that, this piece came out at Sputnik
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201807051066080118-china-us-venezuela/
"China is about to breathe new life into Venezuela's collapsing oil sector regardless of Washington's displeasure: On July 4, 2018, Bloomberg reported that the China Development Bank is going to invest more than $250 million in the country's crude production.

Liu Qian, analyst at the China Institute of Strategic Energy Studies, hailed Beijing's move, stressing that Venezuela has long been one of China's largest oil suppliers: "China's direct investment of $250 million in Venezuelan national oil company [Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A.] will positively affect the stabilization of oil production in Venezuela and ensure delivery of crude oil to China," he told Sputnik China."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 5 2018 23:25 utc | 190

Daniel, my view - the globalist Clinton/Obama crowd, and those back before them are like a street gang - vandals, beating up and killing people for the feeling of power. Trump and those behind him are like the mafia, far more dangerous if you are in the way of their plans. Trump needs detente with Russia though he would like to sp,lit Russia and China. Russia won't split from China now so they will have their work cut out securing China's oil supplies and blocking US moves.

Kissinger was meeting with Trump shortly after Trump took power, and also met with Putin.
Kissinger was involved with splitting China away from the Soviet Union and setting the US up as Hedgemon.
He was involved with the start of the petro dollar and setting the US as global hegemon. The sequence of events was put into play very shortly after the US discovered the Prudhoe bay oil in the late 60's.

"A practitioner of Realpolitik, Kissinger played a prominent role in United States foreign policy between 1969 and 1977"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 5 2018 23:47 utc | 191

The US, although it is now up there with Russia and Saudi Arabia as a producer, would take a decade or more to become a net exporter in a large enough way to dominate the market. Grabbing the Venezuela oil would change that very quickly.
The US has a surplus of gas to export but has to compete with piped gas. Russia cannot supply all Europe and Asia. The Pars field combined with Russia would cover Europe and Asia in cheap piped gas. And where's the Pars field? smack bang in the middle of the Persian gulf.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 6 2018 0:12 utc | 192

This is another piece of the puzzle that I had tacked onto my comment at SST

Another part of energy dominance and denying access to China is the South China Sea. There is thought to be oil/gas reserves in that area. Keeping tensions high there is just as likely to be continued by Trump to prevent China on its own, or partnering with other neighboring countries, from developing the area. I believe the US, prior to Trump has also entered into some sort of agreement with surrounding countries concerning exploration and exploitation of the area.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 6 2018 0:21 utc | 193

@191 / 192/193 peter...i wrote this before you posted @192/193!

the usa tried an oil embargo on japan in what led to japans entry into ww2... trying it on china will produce a similar result.. it was interesting seeing your post on sst.. i was not surprised to see pat lang shut you down on part of it! pat is very predictable! today is not 1960... good luck with usa embargoing china.. the usa can try being antagonist or worse.. that is all it seems capable of..

karlof1 left link to escobar being interviewed on serbian alt news.. it was quite a good interview where he talks at length of what china is doing and how it is going to be impossible to stop it.. i will try to find it and share it again..

Posted by: james | Jul 6 2018 1:10 utc | 194

@ james, under my scenerio, Trump does not have embargo China. Create a situation that starves China of oil - just half will do. No Rand Corp naval blockade required. No military action against China required.
there are pieces that may need to be removed and others that will be added but I think this is the way Trump is headed. He does not need to destroy China or make it capitulate. He just needs to set its economy back a few years.

This reality that we are judiciously studying now (Syria/Russia dunit propaganda freak show) is the remnant tatters of the last reality.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 6 2018 1:26 utc | 195

Peter AU @190/191
KSA, who Trump holds as the state sponsor of 9/11.


He did earlier hint at KSA’s involvement in 9/11 (“it’d be nice to know who your enemies are”), and his interviews on 9/11 and immediately after were controversial. But, his Administration has only strengthened KSA/AZ Empire ties and profited the 0.01% “bigly.”

During the campaign, when he began ranting about personally seeing thousands of (Muslim) people celebrating the Towers burning and turning into dust in mid-air, it was clear which way he was going on that. Same with his “alt-marketing kingpin,” Alex Jones. He, too went from discussing the “dancing Israelis” into screaming that it was them Muslims (whom he also now says control the MSM).

Forget Mossad. Forget KSA. It’s the “Terrorists,” and so, get ready for the “take the gloves off” escalation of the Global War OF Terror, which is exactly what he’s done.

Yes, war criminal Henry Kissinger - “advisor” to every President since Nixon - has had several publicized “briefings” with Trump. I’m not sure how admitting that the same shadow “Deep State” player’s relationship with Trump strengthens the case for Trump being an outsider though. Quite the opposite.

Same with Trump’s lifelong ties to those same globalist banksters. ALL of the segments of TPTSB Loves them some Trump. Sure, there are always factions sparing, but they’re all in the Big Club, and you and I ain’t.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 6 2018 1:33 utc | 196

Trump wants to make US great again as in its wealth and power at the end of WWII, as in its wealth and power when its global economic dominance (economic hegemony) plan came to fruition in 1980.
The crowd of Karl Rove's time, although he came up with a useful quote, were a crowd of incompetents, incapable of coming up with a new reality, only capable of vandalism.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 6 2018 1:37 utc | 197

Yes, US/AZ Empire snatching the world's largest known oil reserves would be a YUGE deal. Which is why Bush II, Obama and now Trump have all put efforts into "regime change" in Venezuela. Having been unsuccessful at the military coup and "color revolution" attempts, with Trump and his Administration now talking about a "humanitarian military intervention," (Perkin's final phase in his "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"),and especially having now gotten Colombia into NATO, the danger of another horrible war for the globalist scumbags is quite possible.

And, getting the Persian Gulf natural gas (also the largest reserves in the world) by helping KSA steal Qatar's half and "regime changing" Iran to get the other half helps revive globalist scumbag Ziggy Brzezenski's plan to take control of Asian energy resources as a prerequisite for conquering Russia and reining in China. Have you read his 1997 "The Grand Chessboard?" Except for his failure to see a nationalist become President of Russia, it quite precisely laid out exactly what has happened since then in geopolitics.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 6 2018 1:46 utc | 198

Peter @ 193, "Another part of energy dominance and denying access to China is the South China Sea."

Yes! This is why Obama pulled the "Asian Pivot." Did you read the Global Research article from 2010 I posted about US/AZ Empire plans to dominate all sea traffic from the Red Sea to the deep blue Pacific?

Have you caught John Pilger's presentations on the coming war with China?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 6 2018 1:54 utc | 199

I would have to read it again. All I remember now is MacKinder's Heartland.
Another thing of interest that I just noticed is that detente with Russia in which Kissinger played a large role, began around 1968 and ended in 1980. This is the same time frame as the economic hegemon plan
I would guess Trump only needs detente with Russia until they have the new reality up and running.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 6 2018 2:01 utc | 200

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