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July 1, 2018
The MoA Week In Review – Open Thread 2018-33
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All issues we discuss at MoA seem to revolve around the political mafia (aka “the establishment”, “the borg”, etc.) that runs Western governments.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2018 17:19 utc | 1 currently having an online debate about conditions in the crimea, specifically alleged russian oppression of crimeans in 2018, but also conditions leading up to the initial referendum (my opponents claim annexation or conquest, and cite a freedom house survey to back it up–from what i can see freedom house is fully funded by the us govt). my understanding is the us fomented the coup in ukraine, along with nato, as opposed to the ukrainian people rebelling against a russian puppet, which is the us line i believe. any articles or sources detailing the us role in all this, or rebutting claims that crimeans are being terrified into silence in 2018 about russian oppression, would be appreciated. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 1 2018 18:05 utc | 3 “Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates say they will back the U.S.’s Middle East peace plan regardless of whether the Palestinian Authority is on board. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 1 2018 18:59 utc | 4 3 Just quoting “Western” mainstream sources:
Ukraine is a very diverse country. Trump coming to an agreement with Putin that eases tensions instead of agreeing/dividing on spheres of influence would be their best hope. Posted by: somebody | Jul 1 2018 20:01 utc | 5 Are we now officially in the era of ‘if you don’t do as i say i will kill you’ and that is ok for some here? then why the gnashing of the teeth and the ripping out of hte hair when it comes to Syria, Yemen etc. Its essentially the same thing. I mean if its ok for the Ukraine why and now the Palestinians why is it not good for the others? Posted by: Sabine | Jul 1 2018 20:38 utc | 6 What is happening in Germany? Is “open borders” that Merkel has championed on its last legs? It seems that the CSU is worried about the coming elections in Bavaria where AfD might do much better than expected. Just as the outcome of the Italian elections was for a government coalition opposed to illegal economic immigration under the guise of asylum for political persecution. Posted by: ab initio | Jul 1 2018 22:24 utc | 7 pretzelattack@3 re:“…rebutting claims that crimeans are being terrified into silence in 2018 about russian oppression.” Posted by: PavewayIV | Jul 1 2018 22:26 utc | 8 Pretzel Attack @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Jul 1 2018 22:27 utc | 9 Crimeans are very pleased about their reaffiliation with Russia. To say otherwise is to lie, pure and simple. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2018 22:47 utc | 10 @3 You can add this to Jen @9… Posted by: dh | Jul 1 2018 22:51 utc | 11 Pretzel Attack @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Jul 1 2018 23:02 utc | 12 Pretzel Attack @ 3 Posted by: Jen | Jul 1 2018 23:08 utc | 13 Sabine @6: On political/national/ethnic determinations. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 1 2018 23:40 utc | 14 Adding to my @4 and earlier posts about Jordan, Egypt and KSA negotiating with Israel/US to “solve the Palestinian problem.” Today’s leak on the Trump/Kushner, Netanyahu/bin Salman “Peace Deal of he Century:” Posted by: Daniel | Jul 1 2018 23:49 utc | 15 Jackrabbit@1 Posted by: Pft | Jul 2 2018 0:02 utc | 16 Pretzel Attack @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Jul 2 2018 0:42 utc | 17 7 It is a fallacy to assume that all Hungarians share Fidesz view on multiculturalism – at least when it comes to moving abroad themselves. Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2018 0:42 utc | 18 Jen. Thanks for the great links on the Ukraine situation. Oliver Stone created a stunning documentary, that is the best on the subject I’ve seen: “Ukraine on Fire” Posted by: Daniel | Jul 2 2018 1:32 utc | 19 Pft @16
But DON’T TRUST ME: look into it for yourself!
<> <> <> <> <> <> Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2018 1:51 utc | 20 Daniel @19 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2018 2:24 utc | 21 big day in Mexico with the general election, I anticipate that Obrador will win, he’s currently leading but only 1% reporting, too soon , but right where the polling suggested he would be at around 46% Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 2 2018 2:33 utc | 22 Hello There! I’m curious to know if any readers have comments about a recent Sy Hersh interview. In response to a question about Russian interference in the last US presidential election Hersh replied:
The full text is at the Intercept: https://theintercept.com/2018/06/27/intercepted-live-from-brooklyn-with-sy-hersh-mariame-kaba-lee-gelernt-and-narcy/ Posted by: Peter L. | Jul 2 2018 3:21 utc | 23 I wonder why it appears that the USA did not sufficiently meddle in the Mex. election. Typically the US heavily involves Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 2 2018 3:59 utc | 24 @3 pretzelattack Posted by: Grieved | Jul 2 2018 4:08 utc | 25 @24 Donald has tweeted his congratulations to Obrador and looks forward to working with him. Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2018 4:08 utc | 26 Those little green men of the “Crimea. The way home” documentary. You see them in Syria. Calling in airstrikes on themselves when they are cut off, standing their ground when all around them retreat, and policing cities and towns that have entered reconciliation agreements. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 2 2018 4:52 utc | 27 That should have been polite green men in my post @27. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 2 2018 5:17 utc | 28 Russia won its match against Spain in the World Cup – against all odds. Sports commentators are clear that this came from the strategy of solid defense and no attack. I’m not an expert but apparently running up goals in the regular 90 minutes of play would only have opened up the field for the technically superior Spanish team to score even more goals. Posted by: Grieved | Jul 2 2018 5:55 utc | 29 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 2, 2018 1:17:16 AM | 28 Posted by: Philippe | Jul 2 2018 6:01 utc | 30 Peter L. @23 Posted by: Daniel | Jul 2 2018 6:24 utc | 31 Peter AU1, KSA has been a client state of the US ever since FDR muscled in on Great Britain’s deal in 1845. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 2 2018 6:30 utc | 32 Here is Sy Hersh yesterday with Chris Hedges; Posted by: V | Jul 2 2018 7:59 utc | 33 Russia isn’t backstabbing Iran, Syria and the Palestinians during all its meetings with Israel and the US. No not at all. Russia is playing 11 dimensional chess. Posted by: paul | Jul 2 2018 8:43 utc | 34 Recently came across the following article written by F. William Engdahl in 1996 which might be of interest to some here: Posted by: integer | Jul 2 2018 8:49 utc | 35 Nothing to See Here Posted by: Willie Wobblestick | Jul 2 2018 10:53 utc | 36 Zanon | Jul 2, 2018 8:08:31 AM | 37 Posted by: V | Jul 2 2018 12:26 utc | 37 Daniel @31: Hersh documented that Ambassador Stevens was an arms dealer Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 2 2018 13:18 utc | 38 Zanon | Jul 2, 2018 8:56:06 AM | 39 Posted by: V | Jul 2 2018 13:24 utc | 39 That would have something to do with Big Oil’s long history of compromising national security for profit
Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2018 14:52 utc | 40 “Thinking about how Russia won the Great Patriotic War (WWII). She retreated, and retreated, and retreated. The Germans came on. And Russia retreated, until she had the killing blow in her grasp, and then she struck.” Grieved @29 Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 2 2018 15:15 utc | 41 The nyts says all the isis all going to Jordan and israel.ho ho.The msm wasn’t going too stab the israels in the back! Posted by: dahoit | Jul 2 2018 15:39 utc | 43 Trump and Putin definitely have a lot to discuss in Helsinki. I can see Donald setting the agenda… Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2018 15:51 utc | 44 @47 ‘The trade war isn’t going well either. Even Canadians are bitching.’ Posted by: dh | Jul 2 2018 16:12 utc | 45 @ fastfreddy
Lopez Obredor was robbed of the Presidency in 2006; there was a prolonged organized popular protest. I remember that now. Same Obredor of 2006 who was expected to win at that time. There were USA instigated riots and a USA instigated vote recount too, IIRC. Posted by: fastfreddy | Jul 2 2018 18:06 utc | 48 When Felipe Calderon obtained the Presidency “by whatever means”, the left wing in Guerrero was insured the governorship, since the “López Obrador effect” had positioned the PRD in the rebellious South. Municipal Presidency Elections Taxco de Alarcón, Guerrero, México. Cant find the link right now but a tweet from Telesur mentionned 1300 (!) political deaths during this Mexican election campaign. Posted by: Lozion | Jul 2 2018 18:53 utc | 51 integer @35. Not a fan of George Soros? Ready to peak into the rabbit hole? Posted by: Daniel | Jul 2 2018 20:05 utc | 52 Daniel @ 55: Thanks for the links. Politics and $, do indeed, make some here-to-for unknown “strange bedfellows”… Posted by: ben | Jul 2 2018 20:16 utc | 53 “Mexico Votes Overwhelmingly for “Change” by Electing López Obrador President” Posted by: ben | Jul 2 2018 20:37 utc | 54 thanks very much for the responses, I will read or watch each. I think it will be useful to keep a library of useful links to at least try to inform people who think the new york times or the washington post or freedom house are reliable sources on the foreign policy of the american empire, especially regarding russia. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 2 2018 20:39 utc | 55 Has Trump “de-neoconised” Bolton?
Posted by: Virgile | Jul 2 2018 22:02 utc | 56 Virgile@59 Posted by: Pft | Jul 2 2018 22:13 utc | 57 I found a copy of Tolstoi’s “War and Peace” in a Salvation Army thrift store that was actually printed in English during WWII and had as its foreword a comparison between the current war and the way the War of 1812 played out. (I gave it to my daughter as a Christmas present, since she had written a thesis on the Tolstoi novel.) Posted by: juliania | Jul 2 2018 23:04 utc | 58 Humorous interview with Michael Isikoff on his Russia Collusion Scandal book, similar to the previous interview with Luke Harding: here. Posted by: George Lane | Jul 2 2018 23:30 utc | 59 @52 Guerrero Posted by: Grieved | Jul 3 2018 2:42 utc | 61 Peter L et al. This is the best Sy Hersh interview I’ve seen during his current book promo tour. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 3 2018 3:41 utc | 62 Looks like Merkel has agreed to detention centers on Germany’s border where illegal immigrants will be detained and then deported back or sent to other countries in the EU where these illegals registered for asylum. I am sure many countries on the frontline ain’t gonna be very happy since Merkel invited all these economic migrants in the first place. Posted by: ab initio | Jul 3 2018 4:18 utc | 63 b4real @63: Imagine that.
This post describes the corrupt administration that co-opted the Autodenfensa” Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 3 2018 5:04 utc | 64 An interesting bit of news from Syria Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 3 2018 5:35 utc | 65 Posted by: ab initio | Jul 3, 2018 12:18:07 AM | 66 Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2018 9:32 utc | 66 Most likely this will be Merkel’s last term, she is doing everything to be in power it seems even when its about to depart from her open border policies, Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3 2018 10:19 utc | 67 Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3, 2018 6:19:16 AM | 73 Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2018 10:49 utc | 68 b4real @ 63: Posted by: Jen | Jul 3 2018 11:51 utc | 69 Zanon 78 et others News from the great white north… Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 3 2018 13:55 utc | 71 @Grieved 25 Posted by: AntiSpin | Jul 3 2018 14:27 utc | 72 Daniel | Jul 2, 2018 4:05:48 PM | 55 Posted by: integer | Jul 3 2018 14:33 utc | 73 Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3, 2018 7:23:06 AM | 79
Which would mean that more immigration will be less AFD. And more immigration there will be. At the same time CDU/CSU insist they will be tough on refugees they are agreed on an immigration law for needed professions. Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2018 15:00 utc | 74 @zanon @v and others Carl D
Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3 2018 15:43 utc | 76 somebody Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3 2018 15:48 utc | 77 @75 b… thanks…. one would figure that much would be obvious, but apparently not with some of the posters here! Posted by: james | Jul 3 2018 15:58 utc | 78 Sorry for the delay in posting these tight oil & gas reports, but life gets in the way at times. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2018 16:06 utc | 79 @ Zanon | Jul 3, 2018 11:48:53 AM | 77 Posted by: Huasmeister | Jul 3 2018 16:08 utc | 80 Huasmeister Posted by: Zanon | Jul 3 2018 16:35 utc | 81 Pretzel Attack, the very basics. (plus see all the other good posts above..) Posted by: Noirette | Jul 3 2018 17:16 utc | 82 I hope barflies within the Outlaw US Empire will read David Swanson’s excellent review of DSP Congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign platform. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2018 17:23 utc | 83 Posted by: integer @73 Posted by: Daniel | Jul 3 2018 20:17 utc | 84 i see the closed shop over at emptywheel has an interesting article up where marcy states she had to contact the fbi due the circumstances and has been living in a type of altered reality ever since.. while i empathize with her situation, the jackals that comment regularly on her site refer to anyone with a different view as trolls 24/7… and, it was no different today when b chimed in.. as far as they are all concerned, anyone who doesn’t think russia meddled or stole the election for trump is crazy.. they leave no room for any doubt… they are so sure of themselves, it is quite embarrassing for them.. Posted by: james | Jul 3 2018 20:37 utc | 85 Karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 3 2018 21:05 utc | 86 Nice of you to slander the author of that series of reports who I’ve met on several occasions as most certainly is NOT a doom and gloomer. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2018 21:23 utc | 87 Karlof1 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 3 2018 21:36 utc | 88 Post Carbon Institute have been predicting peak oil, supported by data for some time now, but as each peak oil date comes and goes, the peak oil date is moved back. With that history, it does look as though they look at the data from a pessimistic veiw point Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 3 2018 21:45 utc | 89 With regard to Peak Oil, whatever the formula to account for current and future discovered reserves, the entire equation is bounded in turn by the theory that oil is created from organic fossils and that, essentially, there’s no more being made. Posted by: Grieved | Jul 3 2018 23:01 utc | 90 The Peak Oil crowd had me bought in a decade or more ago. But as Peter AU correctly notes, their “due dates” have come and gone numerous times. Not unlike the “End Times” religionists. I had a photographer back in the early 1970s who was so sure the Jehovah Witness end date was nigh that he sold me many thousands of dollars of photo equipment for the $700 he’d computed was all he needed to live until the end. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 4 2018 1:11 utc | 91 Interesting reading suggests why Yemen is a target. Way beyond my ability to verify. Posted by: Pft | Jul 4 2018 1:33 utc | 92 Abiotic Oil another reason Russia must be crushed Posted by: Pft | Jul 4 2018 1:48 utc | 93 Pft @91. Great article. James turned me onto the thesis that Biblical Jerusalem was actually in Yemen just a couple weeks ago. I’ve done some digging and found some fascinating evidence to support that hypothesis. Posted by: Daniel | Jul 4 2018 2:56 utc | 94 Daniel | Jul 3, 2018 4:17:42 PM | 84 Posted by: integer | Jul 4 2018 3:58 utc | 95 integer Posted by: Daniel | Jul 4 2018 4:21 utc | 96 Daniel | Jul 3, 2018 4:17:42 PM | 84 Posted by: integer | Jul 4 2018 4:26 utc | 97 It ain’t rocket science right? Not long back I posted links to the development of the NK-33 rocket engine. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 4 2018 5:11 utc | 98 one of the characteristics of moa that i have always felt grateful for is the generally civil discourse among the folks who post here… thanks for continuing in that vein as much as possible… moa is an oasis in an otherwise challenging internet environoment… Posted by: james | Jul 4 2018 5:12 utc | 99 I am working on this civil discourse bit james .. workin on it. As you say, a good forum. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 4 2018 5:21 utc | 100 |
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