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July 13, 2018

No Evidence In Mueller's Indictment Of 12 Russians - Release Now May Sabotage Upcoming Summit

The Special counsel Robert Mueller issued an indictment (pdf, 29 pages) against 12 Russian people alleged to be officers or personal of the Russian Military Intelligence Service GRU. The people, claims the indictment, work for an operational (26165) and a technical (74455) subunit of the GRU.

A Grand Jury in Washington DC issued 11 charges which are described and annotated below. A short assessment follows.

The first charge is for a "Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States" by stealing emails and leaking them. The indictment claims that the GRU units sent spearfishing emails to the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party organizations DNC and DCCC. They used these to get access to email boxes of John Podesta and other people. They are also accused of installing spyware (X-agent) on DNC computers and of exfiltrating emails and other data from them. The emails were distributed and published by the online personas DCLeaks, Guccifer II and later through Wikileaks. The indictment claims that DCLeaks and Guccifer II were impersonations by the GRU. Wikileaks, "organization 1" in the indictment, is implicated but so far not accused.

Note: There is a different Grand Jury for the long brewing case against Julian Assange and Wikileaks. Assange has denied that the emails he published came from a Russian source. Craig Murray, a former British ambassador, said that he received the emails on a trip to Washington DC and transported them to Wikileaks.

The indictment describes in some detail how various rented computers and several domain names were used to access the DNC and DCCC computers. The description is broadly plausible but there is little if any supporting evidence.

Charge 2 to 9 of the indictment are about "Aggravated Identity Theft" for using usernames and passwords for the personal email accounts of others.

Charge 10 is about a "Conspiracy to Launder Money". This was allegedly done "through a web of transaction structured to capitalize on the perceived anonymity of cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin". It is alleged that the accused mined bitcoins, channeled these through dozens of accounts and transactions and then used them to rent servers, virtual private network access and domain names used in the operation.

Note: The indictment reinforces the author's hunch that bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are creations and playgrounds of secret services just like Tor and other 'cool' internet 'privacy' stuff are. Its the very reason why one should avoid their use.

Charge 11 of the indictment is a "Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States". It claims that some of the accused hacked into state boards of elections and into U.S. companies providing elections related software.

Note: Other reporting found that the alleged attack resulted in no changes to the election results or other damage.

The Unites States will seek forfeiture of the valuables the accused may have within the United States as part of any sentencing of the accused.

Assessment:

  • It is not by chance that this indictment was published now,  a few days before the first summit between Donald Trump and the Russian President Vladimir Putin and shortly before the successful soccer world championship in Russia ends. The release intends to sabotage the talks.
  • The indictment describes a wide ranging operation but includes zero proof of anything it alleges.
  • Mueller likely hopes that the indictment will never come in front of a court. The alleged stuff would be extremely difficult to prove. Any decent lawyer would ask how the claimed information was gained and how much of it was based on illegal snooping by the NSA. Something the U.S. would hate to reveal.
  • It is unlikely that there will ever be a trial of these cases. The indicted persons are all Russians in Russia and none of them is likely to be stupid enough to follow an invitation to Las Vegas or to Disney World.

But who knows?

In February Mueller indicted the Russian Internet Research Agency, a clickbait farm run for commercial purpose, of influencing the U.S. election. The expectation then like now was that there would never be trial. In a surprise move one of the accused Russian companies, Concord Management, took up the challenge and demanded discovery. Mueller then tried to delay the hand over of evidence (which he probably does not have.) A judge rejected the attempt. The case is pending.

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, who announced the indictment, also made three points that will likely get little coverage. He said (video) that there are no allegations in the indictment that:

  • any American knew that they were in contact with Russians or with a Russian operation,
  • any American committed a crime in relation to this,
  • that the operation changed or influenced the election.

The indictment, which may well be made up and is unlikely to ever be tested in court, will reinforce the "Russia is an enemy" campaign which was launched way before the 2016 election. It will reinforce the believe of some Democrats that Russia, and not the selection of a disgusting candidate, cost Hillary Clinton the presidency.

The detente with Russia which U.S. president Donald Trump tries to achieve will now be more difficult to implement and to sustain.

 

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Dorian 9
Yeah. That part was funny, too. Why would they launch some oddball searches and then later use those same words in a post at WordPress? It's like they were trying to get caught ... unless something else is going on.

Posted by: Curtis | Jul 14 2018 19:54 utc | 101

82 @Noirette :

First, I absolutely concur with your thesis that The Donald is carrying out the NWO (or whatever term one prefers for the supra-national financial overlords' actions and plans).

But I beseech you to reconsider this:

"One reason, not mentioned, for Trump’s pro-Russia stance is that his base is pro-R and détente or even strong cooperation with Russia was a heavily implied electoral promise. Russians are White and they are Orthodox, Christians"

Yes, The Donald character campaigned on seeking normal relations with Russia. That was in contrast to HRC's hysterical threats against them with both the Syrian "no fly zone" and insistence that hacking was a war crime, excusing a military response.

But this was a new change of tacks for the political party flavors. Just a few short years ago, President CareBear was scoring big laugh points for ridiculing Mittens Romney for saying Russia was an adversary. "The 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back." Oh, that was a good one!

And the "conservative," Republican party was livid that the same CareBear was "caught on a hot mic" promising he'd have more latitude to work with Russia after the election.

Russians haven't gotten any whiter or more Christian in the last couple years. But a significant majority of USAmericans opposed both the war against Syria, and Cold War II. IMO, the people who sponsor our "elections" knew this well, and so gave us the "outsider" who claimed to share our concerns.

But the war against Syria escalated with thousands of marines firing more artillery shells than any time since Vietnam, etc and the provocations against Russia have even included the confiscation of Russian Embassy properties (which the US didn't even do to Germany or Japan during WW II!).

Once again, please stop listening to the blathering of the NYC conman and his psyop team.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 14 2018 20:11 utc | 102

Zanon @94

Yeah, one psychopath questioning another psychopath. But psychopaths come in all sexual flavors, and even in that clip, where he is going out of his way to sound tough, he presents as quite effeminate.

Play it sound off in slow motion.

Oh deary me! I can feel the PC Police bearing down.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 14 2018 20:29 utc | 103

The latest article at the Saker site by Rostislav Ishchenko - Trump’s Geopolitical Cruise - I think is the best take on Trump's and his backers mindset. Worth a read and covers what I think was the cause of the split in the US elite.
The petro dollar, kicking off in the late 70s was a piece of creative accounting to give unlimited credit. This should have been ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, but greed got the better of most. Trump and the people backing him could see that this was now in its terminal stages and US close to collapse itself.
Rostislav Ishchenko, like many thinks that Trump is pulling the US back to a form of isolation from the world, but I don't think this is the case.
Global Energy Dominance is now part of the US National security Strategy. Although not labeled as global, when reading through the energy dominance section of the NSS, it can clearly been seen to be global. This is not just about sell oil produced in the US.
Trump is going for the Achilles heel of Eurasia - energy.
Rather than a creative accounting scam that simply racks up huge amounts of debt, Trump is looking for a monopoly or near monopoly business to take over and rake in the profits.
Russia supply energy to Eurasia from the North. The opening for the Trump mob is in the south.
The meet with Putin may well be to sound out the possibilities of forming a cartel.
Putin/Russia is also the only entity that can prevent Trump's US from simply walking in and taking over the rich energy hub (Mafia style) to the south of Eurasia.


Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 14 2018 20:55 utc | 104

I find this interesting (from a link in ZH article)

"The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found an “anomaly on Hillary Clinton’s emails going through their private server, and when they had done the forensic analysis, they found that her emails, every single one except four, over 30,000, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list,” Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas said during a hearing with FBI official Peter Strzok.

“It was going to an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia,” he added."

I guess we can count on "Cover it Up" Mueller to look into this and sit on it.

Posted by: Pft | Jul 14 2018 20:56 utc | 105

As if the Donald did not sanctioned to death the Russians on every possible level.

How is this different from Mueller's and comp witch hunt against the Russians?

The Donald likes to complain about fake news when these implicate him, but on the other hand he creates and acts on fake news himself: see the Russian sanctions, Skripal case, the two Syrian attacks based on fake news created by the White Helmets, paid by the State Department.

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Posted by: veritas semper vincit | Jul 14 2018 21:07 utc | 106

Peter @101

"Global Energy Dominance is now part of the US National security Strategy."

Yes, it absolutely is. But this is not a new "Trump policy." Certainly Zbiginew Brzezenski laid this out quite clearly in his 1997 book, "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives." It's really all in there, just as you're now identifying. If you can’t take the time to read it, please consider at least reading some book reviews. As I’ve noted before, Ziggy apparently didn’t foresee Putin rising to power and restoring the Russian state, which threw the proverbial monkey wrench into the globalists’ plans, but really, US foreign policy has continued to follow his plans otherwise.

Kissinger has written much the same, though I don’t recall in which books/articles. This page from the US Navy seems a fine reading list, designed as it appears to indoctrinate officers in AZ Empire geopolitics.

http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/CNO-ReadingProgram/partnernetwork.html#!

IMO, the US took the lead in the Empire’s Global Energy Dominance quest when FDR met with King Saud on Great Bitter Lake in the Suez Canal in 1945 (swinging by after the final post-war world planning meeting with Churchill and Stalin at Yalta). This was when the US largely replaced Great Britain in primacy over Asian/Middle Eastern energy dominance.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 14 2018 21:35 utc | 107

Daniel, I will read through the Grand Chessboard again.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 14 2018 21:42 utc | 108

US setting up more bases. A base in Iraq, and a large airfreight logistics base in Kuwait.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201807141066354147-new-us-bases-iraq/

The US is in the Persian Gulf to stay. Trumps face face meet with Putin will be so Trump can try and gauge what Putin will do - if he will run any blocking moves, his reaction to a fait accompli ect. Most likely a few more face to face meetings before any move on Iran.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 14 2018 21:49 utc | 109

Just saw a would-be meme on my Facebook feed . . . to the general effect that the FBI still hasn't even looked at the DNC's computer or server, but Mueller's indicted 12 Russians for 'hacking' them.

Of course, there is that old quote from a New York state judge that a prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. (Which also reminds me of a riddle: Why is a ham sandwich better than perfect happiness? Well, nothing is better than perfect happiness, right? -- and a ham sandwich is certainly better than nothing. . . .)

Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Jul 14 2018 21:56 utc | 110

Peter, thanks for pointing out the new and unwanted US base in Iraq. I just read that the US was building the world's largest Embassy Compound in "Iraqi Kurdistan." I wonder it they're the same thing?

In a quick web search, failing to find an answer, I noticed that besides the "Green Zone" compound we built in Baghdad at the start of the current military occupation, the record holder was the US Embassy Compound in Pakistan.

James and I have discoursed here a bit on the history of US military occupations since WW II. Boils down to the US has never removed its military from any country it's occupied with the exception of Vietnam.

veritas semper vincit @103 linked blogpost notes that the US has 40,000 troops still occupying Germany. His (I presume) post is quite entertaining considering the severe seriousness of the topic.

Dis is a nice little country ya gotz heyah. Id be a shame if sumpin' bad was ta happen to it.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 14 2018 22:52 utc | 111

The sheer arrogance of the yankee presumption to issue such an indictment is breathtaking. As soon as the summit is over, why shouldn't Russia issue an indictment of the yankee agents involved in subverting their country? Italy has already, in the past, under governments more to the liking of the yankee regime, charged CIA agents for crimes committed in that country. Since I am sure the yankees favoured those cinque stella and the Lega defeated in the past election, why shouldn't Italy issue a similar indictment?

The yankees are relying on their hegemony to insulate themselves from the consequences of their own much more unambiguous much more provable acts of subversion. After the imperium declines, which is inevitable, this indictment provides an analogous precedent for any of the former satellites to rise up and smite the yankee aggressors with similar indictments. Perhaps they should also ignore diplomatic immunity to snag those agents acting within the country.

The indictment, meanwhile, since it is obviously aimed at preventing the Trump administration from achieving its foreign policy goals, is arguably an act of treason, particularly since no real proof is offered and the allegations are trivial and/or absurd. According to the concepts of the Nuremberg four power trial, since the indictment is intended to provide support for elements within the yankee regime favouring aggressive war, it also renders Mueller, Rosenstein and their operatives factually guilty of war crimes.

Posted by: exiled off mainstreet | Jul 14 2018 22:54 utc | 112

I don't remember if I got around to posting this, and am so lazy today I ain't gonna search for it.

Once again, the Israelis are using the world’s attention being focused elsewhere to begin an aerial bombing campaign against Gaza.

This time, the diversion is the Trump/Putin summit and Final of the World Cup.

In 2014, it was the downing of MH17.

In 2008, it was the election of USAmerica’s first black(ish) President.

Is this just another “mowing the lawn” or is this the final softening of their target before the Netanyahu/Kushner “Deal Of The Century” is forced upon the indigenous peoples of Palestine?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 14 2018 22:57 utc | 113

Daniel@104

Have to disagree on the impact of FDR meeting with Saudi Arabias King Saud. That was more about feeling him out on a future Israeli state in Palestine. His death a couple of months later may have been related because King Saud made an impression on FDR as to what an Israeli state would mean for peace in the region. Also, FDR was close to Uncle Joe and unlikely to back the planned Cold War supported by some of the same folks wanting a destabilized Middle East and preventing a rebirth of the Ottoman Empire which would control much of the worlds oil reserves.

As for oil supremacy. This has been an Anglo-american joint venture for over a century and was one reason for WWI being fought as well as the Balfour Declaration to give the Brits a future pro-British state in the region at some point.

As for Saudi oil, this was lockef up well before 1945. It was left untouched by the British after WWI
and King Saud handed the concessions to the Americans in 1933 because he felt they had no imperialist designs like the British. He was not a fan of the British due to various skirmishes before he solidified power and Saudi borders. . "The 1933 concession agreement between Saudi Arabia and Standard Oil of California (SOCAL) went like this: SOCAL could search for and produce oil in eastern Saudi Arabia—a region 20 percent larger than the state of Texas—for 60 years; it also received preferential rights to explore elsewhere in the future. The kingdom received an immediate loan of £30,000 in gold and, 18 months later, another loan of £20,000 in gold—an amount equivalent to about $250,000 today—plus yearly rentals of £5000 and royalties of four shillings in gold—about $1—per ton of oil produced. (Only later would oil be measured in barrels.)"

Posted by: Pft | Jul 14 2018 23:14 utc | 114

Mueller's investigations of Sergei Skripal's literary inventions have predictably stalled.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 14 2018 23:19 utc | 115

Peter et al. I don’t remember who posted the link to this wonderful article by KEES VAN DER PIJL Why Was Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 Shot Down?


It is well worth the read, in general, and it directly discusses your Global Energy Dominance thesis. It also brings it up to date compared to my tracing it back to the 1990s, if not the 1940s.

“In 2009 the EU had introduced a new energy policy, dubbed a ‘Third Energy Package’…. effectively forcing Gazprom to sell even the gas piped through the Ukrainian grid to other companies before it could enter the EU.”

Obviously, this raised the price of Russian gas to European countries.

“Even at the time of the Kiev coup, commentators wondered to what extent shale gas from the US might be used to offset Russian deliveries. LNG facilities planned in Florida and Maryland were projected to serve the European market at Gazprom’s expense, a prospect meanwhile far more realistic.”

“As Mark Leonard, founder and director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, noted in a newspaper interview a year later, ‘without MH17 it would have been pretty difficult to find sufficient support for the increased sanctions on the Russian economy’.”

And these sanctions were specifically aimed at the Russian energy industry.

“The downing of Flight MH17 also definitively sealed the fate of South Stream. Russian banks financing the project, led by Gazprombank, were hit by new sanctions, so that the necessary capital could no longer be raised internationally.”

So here we have a concerted program, from at least 2009, intended to reduce Russia’s role in the Global Energy market, and set up US LNG to compete directly with the RF.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 15 2018 0:20 utc | 116

Pft @ 111, I don't think we disagree much. When I referred to "the Empire," I meant what I usually specify as the AZ Empire (Anglo-Zionist), including both US and GB with the supra-national financial powers behind Zionism.

For a while I was including those Saudi Wahhabi nut jobs by referring to the AZW Empire, but I really see KSA as vassals of the AZ Empire since The Crown first backed that corrupt and ignorant tribe in the conquest of the Arabian Peninsula.

All I intended to imply was that the US faction of that Empire largely took dominance over the GB arm as the British Empire receded.

I also agree with your take as I understand it on FDR. I learned a great deal from "The Untold History of the United States" by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick. For any who aren't familiar with this work, the TV documentary series and companion book are both stand-alone works. One should both watch the series and read the book, as the creators specifically made the series out of those parts that were best told visually, and the book for other parts. But they cover different specific information.

Do you think FDR would have gone along with the creation of the Zionist Entity as the haberdasher-in-chief did?

Have you given much thought to how different the world would be if FDR had stuck to his principles and kept Wallace on the ticket in 1944?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 15 2018 0:37 utc | 117

The indictment is also a step in impeaching Trump. Around election time, probably an indictment of somebody like Trump's son tying back to this current uncontested indictment. Not Trump himself. If democrats win House, then they have the basis and support for impeachment.

How did Mueller get the name of the Russians? One pundit said a friend from Russia said that it would not be hard to track down who worked for Russia defense intelligence. Some of them out in the open. Looks like Mueller got ahold of some org charge, and just started adding names.

Posted by: Erelis | Jul 15 2018 1:03 utc | 118

What topics do you guys think Trump will raise tommorow, what questions will Putin raise?
Posted by: Zanon | Jul 14, 2018 12:48:01 PM | 84

Yinon. Guaranteed.
Trump and Putin are both delightfully ambiguous about "Israelis" and their crocodile tears, viciousness and villainy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 15 2018 1:04 utc | 119

Daniel@114

Understood. I will look into Stones book and TV series.

I think the world would be a much different and better place without those behind all the assassinations and takedowns of those who pose a threat to their plans

As for FDR, there is an awful lot of myth about him. His recognition of Stalin and the Soviets after the Ukraine genocide and enslavement of Americans who went to escape the Depression, , allowing the flood of US capital and technology to the Nazis, and his eagerness to enter the war by sacrificing Pearl Harbor after starting a trade war with Japan over China. His denial of entry to Jews fleeing Europe during the war
certainly played into the hands of Zionists

No saint was he but I like to think if he survived Israel would exist under better terms for thr Palestinians, China does not go Communist and there would be no Cold War. The NWO would look much different. Maybe thats just wishful thinking on my part.

Posted by: Pft | Jul 15 2018 1:07 utc | 120

Peter @101

I thought this a very interesting take on Trump and his possible objectives.

https://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.com/2018/07/trump-is-not-stupid.html

Posted by: linda amick | Jul 15 2018 1:21 utc | 121

@117
There was no Ukrainian genocide. The "Holodomor" is a Nazi inspired myth which became part of the Cold War propaganda narrative.


Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2018 1:24 utc | 122

Daniel.
Energy was a part of it, but I think MH17 was more to do with keeping Russia separated from Europe. Russia and Europe coming together according to the grand chessboard as something that must not be allowed to occur under any circumstance.
The US was trying to get EU to sanction Russia for some time. MH17 was what was required to push EU to sanction Russia. I have the timeline of events.
From the 17th we were swamped with propaganda, victims bodies left laying in the sun, nasty Russia not letting anyone to the site, bellingcrap tracking how the Russians brought the launcher in, ect ect.
This went on for two weeks, all this time US pushing EU to sanction Russia. Around the 29th-30th EU agreed to sanction Russia. On the 30th, the Ukrainian rada passed a law allowing the Australian and Dutch official teams to go to the site. On the night of the 30th, possibly on the 31st, before the official teams got to the site, the Ukies pushed an armored column up through Torez and into the crash zone. Sporadic fight occurred in and around the crash site from that time, until the Ukies were cleaned up at the Debaltseve cauldron. It was only then the the wreckage was lifted and carried away for reconstruction. For the last few months the Ukies had intermittently shelled the site from Debaltseve. No complaints to the Ukies from Australia nor Netherlands. It was all called Russian aggression.

Have read a bit of the Grand Chessboard now. The section titled Eurasia and also much of the conclusion section.
My takeaway at the moment is that was the era of Economic hegemony backed up by the export of US style democracy. Energy under that system was used if required to keep nations down, stop groups of nations forming together, basically prevent challenges to US economic hegemony. Wars were fought, countries destroyed to ensure the usage of the US dollar. Energy was just one of a number of tools used.
What I think the US is attempting for the coming era - Global energy dominance - is to simply squat on a major source of oil and hold much of Eurasia to ransom.
Doing it this way, the massive US military deployed throughout the world is no longer required, just small covert ops to sabotage competitors. Most of the old institutions needed to manage hegemony no longer required.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 1:26 utc | 123

2116 If they do talk about that it better be just Donald & Vlad in a totally secure debugged room with no translators.

Posted by: dh | Jul 15 2018 1:34 utc | 124

Pft, yes. Much mythologizing about all these dead "heroes."

And demonizing of dead “anti-heroes.”

"The Untold History" taught me much about FDR's VP from 1941-1944, Henry Wallace. He seems to have been "the real deal" of "The New Deal." And that has led me to do some more reading up on him. While FDR pushed programs specifically intended to "save capitalism," Wallace became very progressive, if not something like a socialist.

Truman was forced onto the ticket in 1944 by the Democratic Party Establishment, becoming what I consider one of our worst ever Presidents.

This article, while coming from that Democratic Party house organ, HuffPo, and framing Wallace within the sheep-dogging of Sanders’ 2016/2016 campaign, does a pretty good job of describing the man as I’ve come to know him.r

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 15 2018 1:59 utc | 125

Peter, once again I am left believing that you responded to a comment of mine without having read the link. My comment highlighted the portion of that article that was relevant to your Global Energy thesis. Of course, MH17 played into other goals. You've again created a straw man.

And again, I'm trying to provide for you evidence that supports your general thesis, while hopefully directing you in a more fruitful direction.

Because that article shows how your Global Energy Dominance "chessboard" was well in play by 2006, and the events of 2014 were utilized to escalate that energy dominance battlefield. And splitting Europe off from Russian energy sources is a major part of your thesis.

It's been more than 15 years since I read The Grand Chessboard, but as I've noted, Ziggy was writing for a world in which the AZ Empire largely controlled the economics of Russia, and did not forecast a nationalist Russian President reversing the globalists' rapacious plundering of the Motherland.

Energy was not then - and is not now - the sole (or even primary) source of wealth and power. But controlling the types of energy used, their sources and methods of use are key to global dominance. Ziggy knew that, and described it quite clearly.

About a decade ago I had a series of conversations with a Libertarian who was high as a kite on a book he'd read that argued that energy was the "gold standard" upon which all economies are really based... and therefore, energy should be quantified in such a way as to create a stable global "reserve" currency to replace the petrodollar.

I don't recall the author or title, but you might wish to look into it.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 15 2018 2:22 utc | 126

Posted by: dh | Jul 14, 2018 9:34:39 PM | 121

Translators shouldn't be a problem. But if they were there's always Lavrov and then there's the fact that Putin can understand and speak English. He demonstrates snippets of both talents several times during The Oliver Stone Interviews.
Speaking of talent, both Putin and Trump are 1st Class talent spotters so each is capable of sizing up the other very quickly.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 15 2018 2:27 utc | 127

Zanon | Jul 14, 2018 10:50:41 AM | 78

But, isn't that a given? Of course we're being surveilled.
This isn't Kansas anymore...

Posted by: V | Jul 15 2018 2:47 utc | 128

The Mueller investigation started with a script allegedly authored by Sergei Skripal;
two tall blonde moscow hotel-room prostitutes peeing on obama's bed; this is genius.

However the hoax unravelled; (the tale was too thin and needed filling out because Trump
had not even been impeached according to Peter Strozk's dungeon master's original plan.)

The love story of Dawn and Charlie is not Skripal's best work, yet we sense that the hand
of the master is there somewhere, and look forward to the next episode of his new novela.


Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 15 2018 2:50 utc | 129

linda amick 118

That's about my take on Trump.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 2:55 utc | 130

Daniel, I had read that article a few days ago, but read it again anyway.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 2:56 utc | 131

Several here mention FDR meeting with Kind Abdulazziz in 1945. Adam Curtis made a BBC documentary in 2015 with footage that includes the meeting. It explores the deal made that included USA NON-interference with Saudi Wahhabism. Too much to restate here, watch for yourself.
Highly recommended. I found a free copy online.
It is called "Bitter Lake".

Posted by: mauisurfer | Jul 15 2018 3:03 utc | 132

mauisurfer | Jul 14, 2018 11:03:02 PM | 129

Adam Curtis' Bitter Lake, is a facinating look, about how we arrived at our present.

Posted by: V | Jul 15 2018 3:38 utc | 133

In part, this indictment is preparation to drop charges in the Concord Management case, which will make discovery in the Concord case moot. If they issued these indictments after dropping the charges in Concord Management, it would be too obvious that this is just a replacementfor those charges. Won't it be fun if one of the Russians indicted patriotically volunteers to travel to the use and likewise demands discovery?

Of course, we're all aware that William Binney has analyzed the metadata of the files and concluded that their transfer was too rapid to have occurred over the internet and must have been downloaded to a USB drive.

Posted by: anti_republocrat | Jul 15 2018 4:17 utc | 134

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 14, 2018 10:55:18 PM | 127
linda amick 118

That is the same strategy Obama tried. Disengage from the Middle East, confront China.

It is a US strategy. Not Trump strategy.

Trump fails spectacularly in the fifth priority mentioned in the link above.

If Trump came to power by a conspiracy of the "internationale of oligarchs against tax and regulation" with input from Russian intelligence, then this was a major victory if the Russian aim was to severely damage the reputation of the United States.

If the aim was to get a working agreement, Trump is useless. He might change his opinion the next second.

To terminate the treaty with Iran was absolute stupidity should the aim be to roll back China. Or leave the Middle East.

It was a con by Trump and Netanyahu. Same stuff moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Netanyahu now needs Russia, as the US have removed themselves as credible mediators.

Trump's trade wars are changing a lot of global supply chains - but they are not going to the US.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 15 2018 4:29 utc | 135

The rising power of China and Russia has been a threat to US power for some time, no matter if its the US globalists trying their useless hegemon crap to stop them or the US nationalists that have scrapped the old hegemonic empire. The nationalists are more dangerous as their thinking is not confined to the box of the last era.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 4:56 utc | 136

Interesting read here on FDR bitter lake meeting with King Saud

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/president-roosevelt-meets-king-saud-at-bitter-lake-february-1945

"Nevertheless, the meeting clearly had its effect. Roosevelt told a joint session of Congress on March 1, 1945, “I learned more about the whole problem, the Moslem problem, the Jewish problem, by talking with ibn Saud for five minutes than I could have learned in an exchange of two or three dozen letters.” The Zionists were horrified, and feared he had reneged on his pledge of support for a Jewish state."

He died the following month.

Posted by: Pft | Jul 15 2018 5:25 utc | 137

Here's what I don't get. The DOJ gave Trump the head's up about the indictments days before his trip, so it's not like Trump was blind sighted; it's not like he didn't have time to work around this news. He had time. It's like Mueller put this information in his hands thinking: Okay, now let's see what you do with it. You have time to read it before the Nato Summit, you have time on AF1, and in between tea with the queen and golf in Scotland. Your move.

Mueller doesn't care so much about indicting Russians that can't be prosecuted, or even the manaforts of the world who profit out of frustrating U.S. policy.

IMHO, these indictments are not designed to be the anti-climax that leaves everyone asking: Is this it? Only Russians? If they were the unimpressive end to the year-long saga, he would have waited to include them in the finale, as it would at least give some substance i.e. meat to everyone's anticipation.

Trump and Mueller are two antithetical forces. It's strange how a straight arrow like Mueller appeared in Trump's orbit, almost like fate, and one can't help wondering what's hidden. Could Mueller be Trump's karma? Or will Trump go on to scorch the earth as Mueller retreats into the sunset? Interesting times.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 15 2018 5:27 utc | 138

135
Straight arrow. Seems to imply someone who is honest, will follow the letter of the law and so forth. Is that what you mean by "straight arrow"?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 5:43 utc | 139

Another conspiracy theory becomes conspiracy fact.

I remember when MSM in EU dismissed as conspiracy theory Assange and Wikileaks claims the secret indictment is being prepared for Assange and that warrant for Julian would be issued immediately upon arriving in Sweden for pre trial interview as accused ? No, as a person of interest.

Now, after this recent indictment we know for a fact that Assange was or will be indicted for treason regardless of fact that statute does not apply to him as non US citizen.

Returning to this phony indictment and baseless accusation contained in it.

The same wild accusation as in 2017 CIA report and the same utter lack of any shred of evidence whatsoever as pointed out by former CIA,NSA directors and agents whistleblowers who back then demanded hard evidences of hacking (trace routing log) as these would not in anyway have disclosed any classified information or methods of collection by doing so.

They also pointed out that it was likely leak not as hack as their copying/transmission speeds of alledged email file transfers were high above those possible to achieve via internet file transfer and hence hinting of local transfer via USB 3.0 or better.

That was confirmed by former British diplomat who stated that he received from unidentified person FD copy of those Podesta emails while visiting D.C. in 2016. Assange himself stated that the source of those emails were not Russian at all.

So what we got cooked by Mueller here.

Allegedly stolen/fake identities, possibly some Bitcoin transactions, maybe some rented laptops, perhaps some rented servers, and probably some phishing,and suspicion of some hacking emails, websites that cannot be ruled out, with absolutely no hint of any connection to Russian government.

In fact indictment describes nothing that any computer savvy teenager would not be able to do ..... to do what? RIG US ELECTIONS, not at all as it is clearly stated in this nonsensical indictment, there was no impact of anything listed above on US elections outcome nor any collusion.

In other words, completely internet illiterate US grand jury after hearing extremely entangled tech jargon ridden fantastic tale of supposed crime with no hard evidences at all, indicted blindly some shadowy likely made up figures of straight from Russophobia instigated obsession Dream, in last ditch effort to revive long dead corpse of Russia Gate like a drug dealer giving last credit to hurting client out of money.

CIA stooges who believe that Russia Gate nonsense mudguards prepare for horrible withdraw symptoms coming soon.

In fact Mueller himself deepen the absurd by FBI own admission that alleged crime had no material impact on electoral campaign and election results beyond informing public about never repudiated truth of Dems machinations, which truth if fact was irrelevant to voting outcome as most of those who were exposed to Podesta emails were in states Hillary won while in those critical for Trump voters were largely unaware of them or their content.

Mueller who already defrauded US government of $200 millions desperately looking for cover of his own futility and waste of FBI resources as he is ready to make grand jury indict a ham sandwich as long as pig from which the ham came from watch Putin on TV once.

What is going on with the Mueller indictments is open public demonstration of how US court system is submissive to political control and expediences and serves solely as a political tool in class war and in this case psychological class warfare aimed exactly in sowing divisions among population along phony partisan or Identity politics lines exactly what they accused Putin of doing.

Like Hitler shouting murder while he was murdering Jews , as Israel shouting murder while IDF is murdering Palestinians, not Mueller shouting treason, collusion, attack on democracy while while doing the same or worse.

Posted by: Tom Zychowski | Jul 15 2018 5:53 utc | 140

@136

Well, I'm not saying I agree with his policies. Let's not forget he's a Republican and 9 times out of 10, that's not good although most Democrats suck as well. But I looked at his bio and the man seems to have been very well respected in university, in the marines and in his legal profession. He appears to have a flawless reputation. He grew up in an affluent environment, had a great education and yet volunteered for service in war time, and then left the service commended for valor and is still married to his high school sweetheart. I guess that's as straight an arrow as you can get.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 15 2018 6:01 utc | 141

Daniel, I looked up some video of Zbig. The one I watched he was giving a lecture.
He simply is not in Kissinger or Putin's class when it comes to Eurasia. An expat Pole full of hatred and blinded by it.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 6:08 utc | 142

is it a summit when no one knows what was said and agreed upon. or are we just good obedient little things now who leave it to the grown up to 'summit' and we shall not worry our little heads about anything?

Posted by: Sabine | Jul 15 2018 6:27 utc | 143

Kissinger's in the class of slimy Zionist interloper with blood on his hands.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 15 2018 6:35 utc | 144

Interesting article here on Mr "Cover It Up " Mueller

https://caucus99percent.com/content/what-mueller-wont-find

Might want to rethink that "straight and arrow"

Kind of like Dulles being appointed to the Warren Commision


Posted by: Pft | Jul 15 2018 7:15 utc | 145

@Circe #138

... Let's not forget [Mueller's] a Republican and 9 times out of 10, that's not good although most Democrats suck as well. But I looked at his bio and the man seems to have been very well respected in university, in the marines and in his legal profession. He appears to have a flawless reputation. He grew up in an affluent environment, had a great education and yet volunteered for service in war time, and then left the service commended for valor and is still married to his high school sweetheart. I guess that's as straight an arrow as you can get."

Mueller served in Vietnam while Trump got his doctors to give him a medical deferment.

We are used to bombshells and sensations. But Mueller knows that he has to be thorough, methodical and impeccable, as his findings will be attacked and contested for every minor detail or inconsistency. That is why it is so frustrating for our media to watch him creeping up slowly on the target of his investigations.

He would not have bothered indicting 12 Russians unless he saw that as a step in tying them to people in the Trump campaign.

As for the upcoming "summit" in Helsinki, it is going to be a private conversation between Putin and Trump with only interpreters present, so Trump can come out claiming whatever he wants about it without any verification. Hard to wreck an arrangement like that...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 15 2018 7:25 utc | 146

On Mueller it's worth watching the congressional hearings. The shit he is trying to keep covered will come out there.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 9:09 utc | 147

> Note: The indictment reinforces the author's hunch that bitcoin and
> other cryptocurrencies are creations and playgrounds of secret
> services just like Tor and other 'cool' internet 'privacy' stuff are.
> Its the very reason why one should avoid their use.

You're generalizing and simplifying the situation.

Tor was a US navy project, but there is nothing unusual in that. A lot of security and crypto has military origins (back in the day any encryption software was classified as munitions in US and placed under export controls; if you truly believe that encryption is a CIA plot, you should stop using HTTPS when visiting the website of your bank...). Regardless, Tor has long been developed by the Tor Project, which seems trustworthy enough. Also, Tor codebase is well-understood by competent developers, just as encryption in general is.

Bitcoin origins are way more murky. To this day no one is sure who the original author is, and the core of that cryptocurrency is kind of arcane. But that's not the worst of it. The worst is the fact that Bitcoin does not scale - all transactions (not just mining, all transacations!) require quite a lot of computations (i.e. money spent on electricity), and 99% of users do not do these themselves, they offload that to 3rd party sites that do all that computation for them. So it at the same time wasteful *and* creates a dependency on third parties. And *that's* why you should avoid using it.

I cannot at the moment say anything about other cryptocurrencies, but i suspect that anything with "distributed ledger" in description is basically a Bitcoin clone and should be avoided for the same reason. Other cryptos need to be considered separately.

Lumping it all into a "cool internet privacy stuff to be avoided" pile is not helpful.

Posted by: Synchdrop | Jul 15 2018 10:28 utc | 148

Let's get real here. I don't know if it was part of the original indictment, but there are now claims that the government, using secret and likely illegal NSA surveillance, _has_ been able to show a 'trail' from the Russian officers to Guccifer 2.0 and then on to Wikileaks. Is this true or just more claims without evidence? U.S. indictments show technical evidence for Russian hacking accusations

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 15 2018 10:34 utc | 149

We have arrived at the age where new is not better and suspicious.
Old and proven look pretty good.
Hand written missives posted to sender.
Snail mail lives and is slower, but far more secure...

Posted by: V | Jul 15 2018 11:21 utc | 150

Peter AU #144

On Mueller it's worth watching the congressional hearings. The shit he is trying to keep covered will come out there.

Mueller is not covering things up, but in the course of an ongoing investigation, there are lots of things he cannot reveal just yet.

The GOP Congress is doing its damndest to discredit him, his work and the entire FBI so they can disregard his findings when they come out. I expect they will be thoroughly documented, proceedurally impeccable and leave Congress with the choice of acting on them or appearing complicit.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 15 2018 11:32 utc | 151

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 15, 2018 6:34:53 AM | 146

In spywars you never know.

Trump calls Russia "competitor"

What are they competing about?

Weapons systems, cyber, hybrid warfare, sale of oil and gas, allies.

It is not going that well for the US of A. They are not taking it quietly.

In cyber, weapons systems and hybrid warfare - the US has put the emphasis on offense. Russia and China have played defense.

The S-400 sales are actually a geostrategic move of some significance.

The S-400 system is generally considered to be pretty capable even there has been – as far as we know – no combat use of it. Its threat may have reduced US coalition aircraft operations in Syria and a US general said that "the introduction of an A2/AD bubble in Syria would be Russia’s third denial zone around Europe". ... But they are buying an air defence system effective against non-Russian targets. ... And why would they want that? They know that Washington has a history of turning against former associates. Saddam Hussein was useful until he wasn't, so was Manuel Noriega, bin Laden & Co ditto, Qaddafi had his moment of cooperation, even Bashar Assad had his after 911. It is more dangerous to be Washington's former friend than to be its permanent enemy. Both Ankara and Riyadh could be contemplating the possibility of becoming Washington's former friend. One should remember that Erdoğan attributes last year's coup attempt against him to Washington's influences and Riyadh may be contemplating another switch of Western patron.

In short, should either Ankara or Riyadh be contemplating a move away from Washington, precedent suggests they should prepare for the worst. And, as Hussein, Noriega, bin Laden, Qaddafi and Assad can all attest, air attacks are the principal expression, in military form, of Washington's displeasure. If all you have are antiquated and poorly maintained Soviet air defences from the 1980s (or US equipment with hidden IFF settings) you are pretty helpless and US air power will have a free run.

But, with S-400s, you have a chance. Or at least an alternative. And that is the geopolitical significance of the sales.

So what does the military - Trumps backers - want from his meeting with Putin? Open channels. They want to prevent an encounter they cannot escalate.

And why are secret services barking? It is their job. It is part of the propaganda war.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 15 2018 11:33 utc | 152

Regarding @146, I think I get it now. Mueller can claim anything he wants in this indictment, including pseudofacts generated through illegal international data collection, because he knows he will never be asked to present such evidence in a court of law.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 15 2018 11:50 utc | 153

Mueller served in Vietnam while Trump got his doctors to give him a medical deferment.

We are used to bombshells and sensations. But Mueller knows that he has to be thorough, methodical and impeccable, ...

He would not have bothered indicting 12 Russians unless he saw that as a step in tying them to people in the Trump campaign.can come out claiming whatever he wants about it without any verification. Hard to wreck an arrangement like that...

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 15, 2018 3:25:21 AM | 143

And here I thought that getting communication from a phantasy world is physically impossible. Where did I got wrong?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 15 2018 11:52 utc | 154

With all the so call expert opinions and analysis why are you all restricted to opining and whining on this blog? Shouldn't you be contacting the presidential defense team to to prove that the deep state is responsible everything you want it to be? A summit without an agenda, meeting one one with no one to verify will allow him to lie, as is well documented about, well, just everything. You all are down some rabbit hole with Alice. Following the short fingered vulgarin believing he has a plan for anything is a fools game. I believe it is this blog believes that the NK summit actually accomplished something in writing.

Posted by: rattlemullet | Jul 15 2018 12:10 utc | 155

@Piotr: It seems to me that we have one fantasy world that insists Russia can do no wrong and defends Trump, another fantasy world that believes Trump can do no wrong and defends Russia.

And both worlds are piling on Mueller for doing the job entrusted to him. I suggest that we just him do his job and judge the findings her produces.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 15 2018 12:10 utc | 156

The thing is, you don't put evidence in an indictment (not really). You recite the bare facts that support the elements of the crime. The EVIDENCE you have for those facts, which the prosecutor has to show beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, is displayed at trial.

An indictment is a very spare document. Most of the time a prosecutor gives as little preview of the evidentiary case as possible to the defense. One doesn't put more than constitutionally necessary in an indictment.

Meaning that it is hard to tell from this document what they have or don't have. I am not disputing that it could be a very weak case - or an entirely trumped up one. But an indictment is a very stylized thing that gives by design a minimum of info.

Posted by: Savonarola | Jul 15 2018 12:18 utc | 157

Great new Trumpery this morning. According to Theresa May, he told her to sue the EU, not to negotiate with them. Great stuff. In what court? The Brits don't want to recognise the ECJ.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 15 2018 12:25 utc | 158

don't know where all these pro mueller posts are coming from but i do know
1.it was an unpopular stance to oppose the 2003 iraq invasion on the grounds of no evidence that saddam currently had wmd's. it was also the correct conclusion.
2.nobody is blindly defending russia and thinks "trump can do no wrong". people are sick of the bullshit "evidence" that has been provided so far. and no, an indictment is not evidence. what evidence is it based on? we don't know, but we do know they haven't provided any.
3. somebody badly misunderstands the role of the prosecutor in getting a grand jury indictment. no, the prosecutor does not have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the charge is true to the grand jury, the prosecutor just puts on evidence favorable to obtaining an indictment-witnesses are not cross examined, exculpatory evidence is not provided, etc. (unless the prosecutor doesn't want the indictment for some reason, as happens in some cases where cops shoot unarmed civilians, for example). hence the saying that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 15 2018 12:47 utc | 159

Mueller's indictments are not just fraudulent, but easily discoverable as such (as they are plagiarized). I'm frankly baffled as to why, even if Mueller felt compelled to fabricate something to blow up Trump's meeting with Putin, he'd go this route.

(TRUMP RELATED) (SUGGESTION BOX TRUMP) Truepundit.com: Mueller Plagiarizes Right-Wing YouTube Journalist’s Lawsuit Against Podesta in New Russian Indictments; DOJ’s Big Splash Appears Fabricated https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald_GoodAndBad/comments/8z1eql/trump_related_suggestion_box_trump_truepunditcom/

This rabbit hole is very deep, indeed.....

Posted by: metamars | Jul 15 2018 12:58 utc | 160

another thing, an indictment doesn't present "the bare facts"; it presents alleged facts. there is a difference.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 15 2018 12:58 utc | 161

I find this interesting (from a link in ZH article)
...
Posted by: Pft | Jul 14, 2018 4:56:10 PM | 102

(Strzok's forgetfulness about a briefing he attended on the subject of the destination address omitted from the distribution list)

You're not the only one. And it's fascinating, in a creepy way, that the address is known to the investigators but remains undisclosed.

"Decameron" over at SST has indulged in some speculation on the possibilities...
...
Gohmert nailed Strozk at the open Congressional hearing on Friday the 13th in Washington, but Strzok claimed no recollection. Gohmert accused him of lying. Maybe Strzok’s amnesia about the briefing on Hillary Clinton’s email server is nothing but standard FBI training: i.e., when in doubt, don’t recall. It’s far more likely that there is a campaign of deliberate obstructing justice, selective prosecution, and political targeting by top officials embedded in the permanent bureaucracy of the Justice Department, FBI, and broader IC. Strzok is not alone.

And what “foreign entity” got Hillary’s classified emails? Trump haters in British Intelligence and those in Israel who want to manipulate the US presidency – whatever party prevails – come to mind. Listen closely and you may hear rumors around Washington that it was Israel, not Russia, that was the foreign power involved in approaching Trump advisers. Time to follow that thread.
...

Almost as interesting as the story itself is the fact that the thread at SST is struggling to attract comments.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 15 2018 13:00 utc | 162

Russians haven't gotten any whiter or more Christian in the last couple years. Daniel at 99.

I do take your point. (Obama btw ws just being his usual sleazy self.. Romney was progressive in
some ways and behind the times in others..)

Hey, view points and stereotypes change. Russians passed from being ugly dirty criminal communists
totally opposed to American Values to valiant upstanding social conservatives with beautiful wives,
see.... the Fall of the Wall.

So it takes time….in the last couple of years…perhaps not.. yet… Ex. (link, viral vid.) The GB foot fans
raving about how FAN-tastic Russia is and they expected they’d be robbed knived or whatnot and Lordy go hungry
and be prevented from supporting their team. These changes are still going on today.

My point was DT is a very vain man, and the ‘opinion’ of the base (not their needs, like jobs etc.) is vital to him,
for self-image and political reasons, possibly even re-election, so a ‘meeting of the minds’
thingie plays a role. (Not that it is the only consideration.)

For the rest (v. brief) Syria -with Russia help- has won, and the embassy stuff could be discussed at length,
nobody died (or not directly, compare with Yemen…) DT has to play the maverick, that is the assigned
and assumed role. It was the Vienna Convention that was being ignored / voided. (“Old” WO.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHOmwWNJsg&t=732s&frags=pl%2Cwn

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 15 2018 13:49 utc | 163

this is all about freako psychopaths and their money nothing more. lot's of blackmail to keep the gravy train running

they cannot charge the Russians with what they have actually done due to a lot of these little deep state sh%$ts would go to jail and possibly branches of government shut down if it ever came out what the various "kompromats" were that the Russians targeted

the Russians are offensive and no innocents, however the US Gov is just disgusting

Posted by: a bee | Jul 15 2018 14:42 utc | 164

excellent summary of these cons playing both sides.

what i find most interesting is that the manufactured amnesia. is damn real.

remember that cuban boy who was "separated" and then....
look at the new mexican girl. it fits their entire narrative.

consumerism really should be called socialfkness. it reminds me of idiocracy.

the other day i went to a store and asked for water that wasn't warm. they repeated to one another with an air of surprise until someone suggested i buy the gallon of water which happens to be cheaper than refrigerated water. mental batin'

Posted by: jason | Jul 15 2018 14:48 utc | 165

I'm always gobsmacked at the cognitive dissonance of those who on the one hand shout that the amerikan empire is on its last legs but as they do that they also claim that amerika's dumb as a rock alphabet intelligence agencies are successfully developing incredibly arcane and complicated strategies that would require having foresight to the point of omnipotence to successfully manage the plot/s.
All that despite the fact that the known measurable outcomes that these agencies and their 'pointy end' the amerikan military do deliver in conflicts mostly of their design and instigation reveal a miserable success rate of I would say, less than 1 in 10.

That nonsense just does not compute.
Yes they are violent crooks, but they are stupid violent crooks who cannot succeed at the simplest plan much less the intricate tactics outlined by so many here.

Once people begin believing the DC airheads' nonsense posturing , they may as well pack their bags, throw in the towel and take off for parts unknown because falling for scumbag tosh indicates an inability to accurately perceive the world - just the same as these DC derps, but with less naked self interest on display.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 15 2018 16:50 utc | 166

Both individuals are sociopaths, but Mueller is even less trustworthy than Trump.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 15 2018 18:05 utc | 167

reply to "...there are now claims that the government, using secret and likely illegal NSA surveillance, _has_ been able to show a 'trail' from the Russian officers to Guccifer 2.0 and then on to Wikileaks. Is this true or just more claims without evidence? U.S. indictments show technical evidence for Russian hacking accusations
Posted by: fairleft | Jul 15, 2018 6:34:53 AM | 149

IMO claims without evidence.Guccifer 2.0, who we are supposed to believe is a Russian spy, is really a creation of DNC tech firm CrowdStrike (whose President is former FBI head of cyber-security(You remember CrowdStrike they are the ones that the FBI allowed to assess the DNC server to determine if it was hacked).
The FBI has been making pre-dawn raids, solitary confinement, going after troll farms... but didn't deem it necessary to issue subpoenas for the "hacked" server at the very heart of the investigation, go figure.

Posted by: frances | Jul 15 2018 21:13 utc | 168


"Mueller is not covering things up..".Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 15, 2018 7:32:29 AM | 151

Sure he is, or at least he is doing his damnest to; he and his team are trying to cover up the DOJs and FBIs treason. When Admiral Mike Rogers shut down contractor access to the NSA/FBI database (April 18th, 2016) the outside group needed a workaround. That¿s where DOJ official Bruce Ohr and his wife Nellie Ohr come into play. {Go Deep} The DOJ side of the operation was conducted within the National Security Division (John P Carlin head). {Go Deep} The DOJ-NSD via Bruce Ohr, could use the NSA/FBI database and pass information to, and receive information from, Nellie Ohr.Steele washed the unlawful Ohr-NSD-FBI raw intelligence by putting it into this ¿dossier¿, and feeding it back into the FBI via Nellie, Bruce delivery to FBI. The DOJ/FBI then used the laundered intelligence to enhance their FISA Title-1 Surveillance warrant against Carter Page to gain access to the monitor the Trump campaign, legally. Remember what Hillary said, "If he gets elected we will all hang? She knew what she was talking about

Posted by: frances | Jul 15 2018 21:19 utc | 169

The goal of Mueller is only political by now, its to find anything on Trump. Cant believe this witch hunt isnt called out by more people than Trump, stuff like this hurt America badly.

Posted by: Zanon | Jul 15 2018 21:34 utc | 170

No wonder Trump never looks worried. He's now reminding the MSM that Hillary's nonchalant attitude to computer security made the leaks/hacks possible and occurred on Obama's watch.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 15 2018 21:55 utc | 171

Hoarsewhisperer
I would guess that this is the swamp that Trump will drain. The borg as termed by Pat Lang. Perhaps not the full extent of what most here including myself would term "the swamp"

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 15 2018 22:00 utc | 172

If the starting point for Robert Meuller's investigation were not Sergei Skripal's scribblings I might believe him.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 15 2018 22:28 utc | 173

Here is one piece of evidence showing that the "Guccifer 2.0" documents were NOT created by Russians

Approximately 30 minutes later, someone using the name "Феликс Эдмундович" carries out the following actions ...

This is like an alleged FBI operative choosing "J. Edgar" as his user name in Microsoft Word.

http://g-2.space/process/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2018 0:51 utc | 174

@173 Guerrero
That's very much it, and in a very efficient use of words. An entire opera built on trash.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 16 2018 8:21 utc | 175

Anonymous @174:

/=================\
Here is one piece of evidence showing that the "Guccifer 2.0" documents were NOT created by Russians

Approximately 30 minutes later, someone using the name "Феликс Эдмундович" carries out the following actions ...

This is like an alleged FBI operative choosing "J. Edgar" as his user name in Microsoft Word.
\=================/

If I'm back-transliterating correctly, that would read as "Feliks Edmundovich" -- i.e., Dzerzhinsky.

(Mind you, I suppose there are people named after him -- as I'm sure there are people here in the US whose first initial and middle name really are "J. Edgar". So it's not exactly proof -- but it is evidence. Maybe almost like an Easter egg, put in by someone who wanted documentation of his/her cleverness in a spot where it could be appreciated by others in the know?)

Posted by: John Anthony La Pietra | Jul 16 2018 10:57 utc | 176

Noirette | Jul 15, 2018 9:49:48 AM | 163.

JIC you stop back by. Cool.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 4:46 utc | 177

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