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July 17, 2018

Helsinki Talks - How Trump Tries To Rebalance The Global Triangle

The reactions of the U.S. polite to yesterday's press conference of Pgresident Trump and President Putin are highly amusing. The media are losing their mind. Apparently it was Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11 all in one day. War will commence tomorrow. But against whom?

Behind the panic lie competing views of Grand Strategy.

Rereading the transcript of the 45 minutes long press conference (vid) I find it rather boring. Trump did not say anything that he had not said before. There was little mention of what the two presidents had really talked about and what they agreed upon. Later on Putin said that the meeting was more substantive than he expected. As the two spoke alone there will be few if any leaks. To understand what happened we will have to wait and see how the situations in the various conflict areas, in Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere, will now develop.

The 'liberal' side of the U.S. did its best to prevent the summit. The recent Mueller indictment was timed to sabotage the talks. Before the meeting in Helsinki the New York Times retweeted its three weeks old homophobic comic flick that shows Trump and Putin as lovers. It is truly a disgrace for the Grey Lady to publish such trash, but it set the tone others would follow. After the press conference the usual anti-Trump operatives went ballistic:

John O. Brennan @JohnBrennan - 15:52 UTC - 16 Jul 2018

Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

Senator John McCain released a scathing statement:

... “No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are—a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad. ...

These imbeciles do not understand the realism behind Trump's grand policy. Trump knows the heartland theory of Halford John Mackinder.  He understands that Russia is the core of the Eurasian landmass. That landmass, when politically united, can rule the world. A naval power, the U.S. now as the UK before it, can never defeat it. Trump's opponents do not get what Zbigniew Brzezinski, the National Security Advisor of President Carter, said in his book The Grand Chessboard (pdf) about a Chinese-Russian alliance. They do not understand why Henry Kissinger advised Trump to let go of Crimea.

Trump himself professed his view (vid) of the big picture and of relations with Russia in a 2015 press conference:

"...  Putin has no respect for President Obama. Big Problem, big problem. And you know Russia has been driven - you know I always heard, for years I have heard - one of the worst things that can happen to our country, is when Russia ever gets driven to China. We have driven them together - with the big oil deals that are being made. We have driven them together. That's a horrible thing for this country. We have made them friends because of incompetent leadership. I believe I would get along very nicely with Putin- okay? And I mean where we have the strength. I don't think we need the sanctions. I think that we would get along very, very well. I really believe that. I think we would get along with a lot of countries that we don't get along with today. And that we would be a lot richer for it than we are today.

There are three great geographic power-centers in the world. The Anglo-American/transatlantic one which is often called 'the west'. Mackinder's heartland, which is essentially Russia as the core of the Eurasian landmass, and China, which historically rules over Asia. Any alliance of two of those power-centers can determine the fate of the world.

Kissinger's and Nixon's biggest political success was to separate China from the Soviet Union. That did not make China an ally of the United States, but it broke the Chinese-Soviet alliance. It put the U.S. into a premier position, a first among equals. But even then Kissinger already foresaw the need to balance back to Russia:

On Feb. 14, 1972, President Richard Nixon and his national security adviser Henry Kissinger met to discuss Nixon’s upcoming trip to China. Kissinger, who had already taken his secret trip to China to begin Nixon’s historic opening to Beijing, expressed the view that compared with the Russians, the Chinese were “just as dangerous. In fact, they’re more dangerous over a historical period.”

Kissinger then observed that “in 20 years your successor, if he’s as wise as you, will wind up leaning towards the Russians against the Chinese.” He argued that the United States, as it sought to profit from the enmity between Moscow and Beijing, needed “to play this balance-of-power game totally unemotionally. Right now, we need the Chinese to correct the Russians and to discipline the Russians.” But in the future, it would be the other way around.

It took 45 years, not 20 as Kissinger foresaw, to rebalance the U.S. position.

After the Cold War the U.S. thought it had won the big ideological competition of the twentieth century. In its exuberance of the 'unilateral moment' it did everything possible to antagonize Russia. Against its promises it extended NATO to Russia's border. It wanted to be the peerless supreme power of the world. At the same time it invited China into the World Trade Organisation and thereby enabled its explosive economic growth. This unbalanced policy took its toll. The U.S. lost industrial capacity to China and at the same time drove Russia into China's hands. Playing the global hegemon turned out to be very expensive. It led to the 2006 crash of the U.S. economy and its people have seen little to no gains from it. Trump wants to revert this situation by rebalancing towards Russia while opposing China's growing might.

Not everyone shares that perspective. As security advisor to Jimmy Carter Brzezinski continued the Nixon/Kissinger policy towards China. The 'one China policy', disregarding Taiwan for better relations with Beijing, was his work. His view is still that the U.S. should ally with China against Russia:

"It is not in our interest to antagonize Beijing. It is much better for American interests to have the Chinese work closely with us, thereby forcing the Russians to follow suit if they don’t want to be left out in the cold. That constellation gives the U.S. the unique ability to reach out across the world with collective political influence."

But why would China join such a scheme? How would Russia be 'forced'? What costs would the U.S. have to endure by following such a course? (Brzezinski's view of Russia was always clouded. His family of minor nobles has its roots in Galicia, now in west Ukraine. They were driven from Poland when the Soviets extended their realm into the middle of the European continent. To him Russia will always be the antagonist.)

Kissinger's view is more realistic. He sees that the U.S. can not rule alone and must be more balanced in its relations:

[I]n the emerging multipolar order, Russia should be perceived as an essential element of any new global equilibrium, not primarily as a threat to the United States.

Kissinger is again working to divide Russia and China. But this time around it is Russia that needs to be elevated, that needs to become a friend.

Trump is following Kissinger's view. He wants good relations with Russia to separate Russia from China. He (rightly) sees China as the bigger long term (economic) danger to the United States. That is the reason why he, immediately after his election, started to beef up the relations with Taiwan and continues to do so. (Listen to Peter Lee for the details). That is the reason why he tries to snatch North Korea from China's hands. That is the reason why he makes nice with Putin.

It is not likely that Trump will manage to pull Russia out of its profitable alliance with China. It is true that China's activities, especially in the Central Asian -stans, are a long term danger to Russia. China's demographic and economic power is far greater than Russia's.  But the U.S. has never been faithful in its relations with Russia. It would take decades to regain its trust. China on the other hand stands to its commitments. China is not interested in conquering the 'heartland'. It has bigger fish to fry in south-east Asia, Africa and elsewhere. It is not in its interest to antagonize a militarily superior Russia.

The maximum Trump can possibly achieve is to neutralize Russia while he attempts to tackle China's growing economic might via tariffs, sanctions and by cuddling Taiwan, Japan and other countries with anti-Chinese agendas.

The U.S. blew its 'unilateral moment'. Instead of making friends with Russia it drove it into China's hands. Hegemonic globalization and unilateral wars proved to be too expensive. The U.S. people received no gains from them. That is why they elected Trump.

Trump is doing his best to correct the situation. For the foreseeable future the world will end up with three power centers. Anglo-America, Russia and China. (An aging and disunited Europe will flap in the winds.) These power centers will never wage direct war against each other, but will tussle at the peripheries. Korea, Iran and the Ukraine will be centers of these conflicts. Interests in Central Asia, South America and Africa will also play a role.

Trump understands the big picture. To 'Make America Great Again' he needs to tackle China and to prevent a deeper Chinese-Russian alliance. It's the neo-conservatives and neo-liberals who do not get it. They are still stuck in Brzezinski's Cold War view of Russia. They still believe that economic globalization, which helped China to regain its historic might, is the one and true path to follow. They do not perceive  all the damage they have done to 90% of the American electorate.

For now Trump's view is winning. But the lunatic reactions to the press conference show that the powers against him are still strong. They will sabotage him wherever possible. The big danger for now is that their view of the world might again raise to power.

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Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17, 2018 2:33:11 PM | 83

The petro-dollar was being negotiated between Nixon and Saudi Arabia before he ended Bretton Woods (end of the 60s, beginning of the 70s). Nixon didn't abandon unilaterally Bretton Woods only to look for the substitute AFTER the fact, that would be crazy.

But this doesn't explain why the USA had to abandon Bretton Woods in the first place (yes, France asked for the gold, but the question remains the same: why did it ask for the gold and so on).

The answer is simple: the post-war boom was exhausted. Organic composition of capital rose with the reconstruction and reindustrialization and profit rates begun to fall. At the same time, working classes from the first world countries begun to get too affluent, their wages going up (1969 was the peak, the best year ever for the American working class relatively), so their workforce begun to get too expensive. Parallel to it, automation meant less people needed to produce everything society demanded, so union begun to lose bargain power. On the other side of the globe, people of the Third World begun to ask for better life quality, as they became vegetatively more affluent and globalization made them taste a piece of the paradise -- a moment when the first world countries fabulous trade surpluses with the third world (they exported expensive manufactured products and imported cheap raw materials) begun to be reverted. This social cauldron led to the 1974-5 oil crisis -- which manifested itself as an oil crisis, but was much deeper than that. The neoliberal reforms in the first world reverted that a little bit in terms of GDP, but the working classes of the first world were never as powerful and affluent as in 1968-9.

Posted by: vk | Jul 17 2018 19:45 utc | 101

Claims of a $400 million 'donation' to Hillary Clinton by Jewish oligarch Bill Browder referred to by Putin in his Helsinki presser are obviously of great interest. Anyone here seen or heard of any compelling evidence for the claim? Any investigations pursuing this? Articles?

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 17 2018 19:47 utc | 102

Anyone who thinks that Trump isn't a Zionist and totally immersed in their world order agenda when FoxNews, the most Zionist Fake News outlet on the planet, is Trump's No. 1 Propaganda machine...I got some swampland for you.

That's why Evangelists lock step with Zionists are willing to overlook Trump's pussy fixation, multiple adultery and every other non-Christian outrage he pulls like separating babies from their mothers and so on.

Oh, how the wicked spin his evil ways...the rest are delusional.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 19:58 utc | 103

In looking up Murdoch+Iran, I ran onto this 2010 article.

By the looks of this, US have been beaming western television into Iran for a long period virtually unhindered. By now a lot of Iranians, especially the young people will be wanting a more secular/western environment - not necessarily pro US, just a freer society regarding dress and Islamic law and so forth.

Late dec 2017 US and Israel signed an anti Iran agreement

Although this article does not state it, I have read the agreement also includes stepped up propaganda within Iran. We now have major protests, not only in Iran, but also Iraq where there is a major propaganda push against the Shia militias that defeated ISIS.
The agreement was made only a month before the release of the 2018 nuclear posture revue was released which has added fire and fury to the pentagons tool kit so they are no longer limited to shock and awe.
The situation at the moment is large protests in Iran, MEK being groomed for government - How many MEK? 3000 in a camp in Albania? plus others, then there are the retrained, reflagged ISIS/AQ in Syria, and whatever US has been putting together in Afghanistan, plus Kurds. Remove the Iranian leadership and military with a few hours of fire and fury and it's game over.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 19:59 utc | 104

1. Is it a tripolar world including Russia? The major factor in national power is GDP. Russia's GDP of $1.5 trillion is very small compared to China's $12 trillion or America's $19 trillion. It punches above its weight now because of military strength, nuclear weapons, and the successful intervention in Syria but I can't imagine Russia's leading world position lasting simply because of GDP.

2. The maximum Trump can possibly achieve is to neutralize Russia

I doubt Russia can be persuaded to be neutralized on the China issue within the next 6 years. That would be very foolish of them considering the next president after Trump is likely to be anti-Russia (like every other American politician).

3. while he attempts to tackle China's growing economic might via tariffs, sanctions and by cuddling Taiwan, Japan and other countries with anti-Chinese agendas.

The US will use tariffs, the Quad (alliance of anti-Chinese agendas), but not likely sanctions. I don't see the US placing an embargo on iron ore exports to China through sanctions or something like that unless a true crisis develops. However, there is a third major option in the toolbox and outside of corporate law pretty obscure: investment prohibition. There is a national security review process in the US called CFIUS. It has blocked Chinese companies and funds from acquiring the $150 billion in semiconductor companies that was part of a strategy announced in 2015. CFIUS has also frustrated almost all other Chinese investment in the US. Acquisitions by Chinese companies in the US are down to almost nothing this year from $60 billion in 2016. CFIUS will be upgraded by legislation likely to pass Congress this year, it will make permanent the anti-Chinese posture of the past several years. China is becoming a major global investor and the US is shutting itself out.

4. That did not make China an ally of the United States, but it broke the Chinese-Soviet alliance.

There was a Chinese-Soviet border war in 1969. The state of relations can't be called an alliance even if there was common cooperation in Vietnam.

5. It is true that China's activities, especially in the Central Asian -stans, are a long term danger to Russia.

How is China a danger to Russia's long term interests? China is investing in business and lending for infrastructure in the stans. That will stabilize them. China hasn't made moves to take over the security architecture in those countries.

6. They still believe that economic globalization, which helped China to regain its historic might, is the one and true path to follow. They do not perceive all the damage they have done to the American electorate.

In the context of peaceful engagement between China and the US, this is the true path. China wants to see a rise in its stand of living continue. It will lean towards toning down conflict to do so. And without China, Russia will be too isolated to continue fighting. Where China goes, Russia will likely follow because it doesn't have the economic strength to stand alone.

Posted by: quote | Jul 17 2018 20:02 utc | 105

The Cloud is eating every comment I post with a link--the count is now 6. All are to sites I've linked to previously: Craig Murray's blog,, and Sputnik. Must be me as others get their links posted.

ralphieboy @96--

One of those eaten links was to the Sputnik article noting Trump recanted those remarks about distrusting his (dis)intelligence agencies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2018 20:03 utc | 106

karlof1 @41. Thanks for reminding that the Soviet/Sino split predated the Kissinger/Nixon “opening.” And especially thank you for reminding that none of us need see geopolitics as a “zero sum game.” The earth is quite capable of providing us all comfortable and secure lives.

It is completely the greed and psychopathy of the 0.01% that creates the manufactured scarcity which drives the 99% into fear and animosity of the 99% of other groups.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 20:10 utc | 107

Sorry b!

I was just using the original formatting and I though that the full legal analysis would be beneficial in case it somehow disappears from the net.

I won't do it again. My apologies

et Al

Posted by: et Al | Jul 17 2018 20:10 utc | 108


There is an automatic spam filter used here that puts some comments in a queue for me to review. One of your comments was caught in it. I do release valid comments from that queue once or twice a day and deleted the dozen or so that are spam or trash.

Repeatedly posting a comment that hangs in the queue makes this job more difficult and time consuming for me. Please refrain from it.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2018 20:10 utc | 109

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 17, 2018 3:35:00 PM | 98

Naah, you are stuck in one reality. Trump is multireality. He trusts Putin and he trusts his intelligence people.

Democrats want to talk to the translator now :-))

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2018 20:11 utc | 110

b’s analysis is terrific as always, but I caution against drawing such distinctions between the strategies of Kissinger and Brzezinski. We are looking at things Kissinger said/did and comparing them to Brzezinski’s words from 2 decades later (after the “collapse” of the USSR) and then returning to Kissinger’s views another 2 decades later. Over this 40 years, major changes outside of the AZ Empire’s direct control occurred, requiring changes in tactics.

But Kissinger and Brzezinski were both proteges of David Rockefeller, and his (and his globalist peers') goal for a world government, centrally planned by his economic peers, required the AZ Empire to dominate central Asia and the Indian Ocean as it had long controlled the North Atlantic. Once that total dominance had been achieved, then Empire would be turned to conquer Russia and China.

As b notes, even Kissinger himself observed back in the 1970s that this goal would require very different strategies regarding Russia/China a couple decades later.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 20:12 utc | 111

Daniel @105--

Thanks for your reply! Now lets see if this comment gets lost like the last 7! I'm about ready to cease my efforts!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2018 20:12 utc | 112

b - You have by far some of the best analysis of global events of any web site I visit. This post has given me some new insights into the US-Russia-China dynamic and the positions of various foreign policy folks. I mostly agree with all of the analysis and recommendations.

However, I think you give far too much credit to Trump. Perhaps someone among his foreign policy advisers has been directing the strategy you ascribe to Trump, but he is just not smart enough nor well-read enough to develop such a strategy, although he may accept its usefulness and be glad to work it through.

This is not to say he does not have some very important skills that he uses effectively, e.g., his uncanny ability to find other people's weak spots and exploit them to his advantage.

I sincerely believe that Trump can be best understood as having two overriding needs, both of which he has made obvious over the years. Number 1 is that he wants to be the center of attention at all times, to the point that hurting or humiliating others is perfectly acceptable. In fact, it appears that no tactic is off limits if it brings him the attention he so deeply craves.

Number 2 of his needs is his oft-stated desire to grab all the money he can, in any way he can, and to hell with anyone else. He has described himself as "...greedy, greedy, greedy...". We should take him at his word.

In both of these aspects of his persona Trump is purely transactional. I don't believe he has any philosophy or worldview other than Look-at-Me, and Give-Me-Money. This seems to me to provide a relatively simple explanation for his attempts to befriend Putin. Trump has already talked about a Trump Tower Moscow, Trump Tower St. Petersburg, and Trump Tower Sochi. Putin is the only one who matters in terms of Trump being able to get the permits and financing to do these projects.

He cares not about diplomacy, foreign relations, the economy, immigration, etc. He only cares about himself.

Posted by: John Zelnicker | Jul 17 2018 20:18 utc | 113

I posted the sequence of events used to create the petro dollar back in the 2018-33 thread.
Will post them again here as this thread concerns Kissinger.
More specifics can be added to this planned sequence of events, this just the basics.
In the late 1960s, US found oil at Prudhoe bay and by 1970 it was a proved crude oil reserve.
Due to environmental and other legal challenges, construction of the pipeline was held up.

In late 1972 the US Secretary of the Interior declares the trans-Alaska pipeline to be in the US national interest

1973-74. OPEC oil embargo due to US backing of Israel pushes oil prices up in an initial rise.

1973 (OPEC oil embargo) The Trans-Alaska pipeline Authorization Act legislation is quickly pushed through. Signed by Nixon on November 16 1973. This blocked all further challenges allowing construction to begin. pdf

Late 1973 Nixon along with Saudi Arabia create the petro dollar beginning in 1974.

The trans-Alaska pipeline is pushed through to meet a deadline, no costs spared, first oil delivered through the pipeline 28th July 1977, extra pumps then installed and pipeline running at full capacity by 1980.

1979-80 the price of oil skyrockets due to the Iranian revolution. The US is now the global economic hegemon as all countries now need US dollars to purchase oil.

Historical crude oil price chart

I have read that Kissinger withheld information from both Nixon and Israel, but have not followed that line of research.
Here is a piece from an official Kissinger biography. You can see here he was working both sides.
Kissinger entered the State Department just two weeks before Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel. The October War of 1973 played a major role in shaping Kissinger’s tenure as Secretary. First, he worked to ensure Israel received an airlift of U.S. military supplies. This airlift helped Israel turn the war in Israel’s favor, and it also led members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to initiate an oil embargo against the United States. After the implementation of a United Nation’s sponsored ceasefire, Kissinger began a series of “shuttle diplomacy” missions, in which he traveled between various Middle East capitals to reach disengagement agreements between the enemy combatants. These efforts produced an agreement in January 1974 between Egypt and Israel and in May 1974 between Syria and Israel. Additionally, Kissinger’s efforts contributed to OPEC’s decision to lift the embargo.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 20:23 utc | 114

Revealingly in yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald newspaper the regular , obsessive anti-Chinese spruker
roundly declared China was weak because she only had two inadequate allies - Pakistan and North Korea - while the U S has at least forty.
I read the article twice , sat back and thought ' did he fail to include Russia as a Chinese ally deliberately? Such is the level of debate and coverage on geo-strategic issues in Australia's main stream media !

Posted by: ashley albanese | Jul 17 2018 20:24 utc | 115

Ha-ha, I think Bolton hauled Trump's ass out of the fire with Clintonism legal bullshet.

Trump: I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't.' ... The sentence should've been: 'I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia'

I just know that Bolton crafted this damage control; maybe he cooked it up with Giuliani.

Now why would die-hard Neocons want to rescue Trump???

Because Trump is exactly the man for the Neocon job.

Everyone's getting snowed.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 20:26 utc | 116

karlof1 110

A couple of open threads back, I had several long comments with links disappear, that appeared a day or so later. I guess they get pulled out automatically and then get posted when b goes through the junk bin. A bit of a pain.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 20:28 utc | 117

The United States and the Russian Federation would seem to be natural allies and indeed
Russia crucially came to the aid of the USA at an extremely crucial juncture by sending
it's Pacific and Baltic fleets to San Francisco and New York/Washington DC respectively.

This was the darkest hour of the USA Civil War and the support of Russian military force
has been credited with keeping England from joining the conflict on the side of the South.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 17 2018 20:30 utc | 118

ashley albanese 113

All Australian media, including The Conversation is now unreadable. Around 2014, we were standing with on foot in the rabbit hole, but now we are in and falling like a brick. I still check on the world news sections of Au media to see how deep we've gone.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 20:41 utc | 119

As for yesterday's meeting of Presidents Putin and Trump, I must say I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Trump is hardly the buffoon his detractors claim him to be.

Probably, Trump speaks like a buffoon when addressing buffoons, so his political enemies
pretend that everything coming out of this politician's mouth were coming from his heart.

The lack of specific content of the talks does not surprise. Many folks here have noted
that Trump has little or nothing to offer Russia; this meeting was not really for that.

I thought Trump did well to not play the fool where this would NOT be well appreciated;
he looked the part of a TV-President, and carried off the role I think with some aplomb.

The good news is that Trump actually has a brain and sense enough to know where he's at.
Trump's unpopularity in Mexico must be nearly 100%, so my view counters everyone else's.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 17 2018 20:46 utc | 120

karlof1 quoting Pepe. "It was inevitable that a strategically crucial summit between the Russian and American presidencies would be hijacked by the dementia of the US news cycle;"

Which is to say, "Lookit the Squirrels!" From EU threats and putdowns to NATO expansion (while the pundits look elsewhere) to Britain canned protests to Putin Summit "TREASON!!!", it's been a veritable downpour of Squirrels!

Yes, it was inevitable. What is not is our responses.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 20:56 utc | 121

Posted by: Ghost Ship @83
Probably explains why the English Establishment so hates the Russians and Russia.

This week is the 100th anniversary of the Bolsheviks' murdering the Romanov cousins of the Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) clan.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 21:07 utc | 122


Trump is god is getting old. I can never trust the words of someone that has only effusive praise for this man whose ego is so profane that even the little good he does which is miniscule reeks of self-promotion.

Everything about that Summit spelled charade.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 21:12 utc | 123

Guerrero 116
It will be a long time before US and Russia can become allies or friends. US imported a lot of east European dissidents since WWII. Many have risen to places of influence and also lecture at Universities and so forth. Hatred of Russia is now an established component of US culture.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 21:13 utc | 124

@111 John Zelnicker.. thanks john.. i mostly agree with you, as have a few others here in this thread.. i do think b is being on the generous side with trump as well.. at the same time - i do think the deep state is working hard to nix trump as he has done a number of things that seek conciliation - the last thing the deep state wants.. trump probably sees this and is working around it as best he can.. he still shills most all the time for israel with his focus on iran and etc.. it gets very predictable..

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2018 21:16 utc | 125

Personally I think trump is toast !
When the deep state make a 'big move' they tend to give a sign before hand!!!
Trump this evening was giving an interview and just Ashe mentions the 'Intel agency' the lights went out !!! I found this on R T news.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 17 2018 21:30 utc | 126


Good biz for the NATO Pole-Dancing Academy of Kosovo.

Posted by: NOBTS | Jul 17 2018 21:37 utc | 127

Peter AU @141: "By now a lot of Iranians, especially the young people will be wanting a more secular/western environment..."

Yes. Iranians watch a fair amount of Western TV.

The urban Iranians have always been very culturally Westernized. By always, I mean going back to the 1950s at least. Go to Iranian sites and look at the dress, listen to the music, check out the architecture, etc. Yes, they are proud of their Persian heritage, and that is quite apparent also.

But products that are not available either due to the sanctions or the Islamic government are mimicked, not unlike in China. So, you'll see hipsters wearing what look like Levis drinking what looks like cokes and listening to what sounds like US pop. And that's just the material culture. They also read Western literature and watch many Western films.

But just as China is Marxist with Chinese characteristics, urban Iran is largely Western (including Marx/Engels) with Persian characteristics.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 21:40 utc | 128

Continuing on from MacKinders theory of three central power groups, it is unlikely that the Russian China get-together can be broken up. As many posters have remarked. BUT, has Trump also learned the saying, "if you can't beat them, join them"?

It is clear that the US cannot physically "join" Eurasia, but there could be an alternative if one or more of US territories are part of the landmass. What "territories? Simple answer = if the EU is/becomes an US possession.
This is what I think that the Donald may have been proposing to Putin, that the "US overseas territory of the EU" could be allowed to be part of the One road. Thereby including the US in any power structure.

This is not as far fetched as it may appear on the surface. Donald's tactic with the ruling class of the EU has been to insult - and then reward. To see just how cowed and obedient they are. The bozos have proved themselves to be lackeys. Look at the reactions of the two singing sisters "Merkel and May", and how - after being insulted - they are left licking the hand that holds them down. The EU itself is an occupied territory (by NATO) and we, the idiots, are supposed to be paying more for our own submission to a military force. We, (the EU) are being hurt by sanctions and are supposed to approve and carry them out?

(Just as as aside ; NATO now has taken over 8 US military bases in Colombia and has appeared in other S.American countries, has bases in Kuwait, has Israel as an "observer" participating in exercises, as well as fighting in Afghanistan, is in Turkey etc. What have they got to do with a North Atlantic mutual admiration club ?)

For the US to join the Eurasian landmass it means the the invasion of Europe by the US Booty Snatchers, and its "conversion" into a totally subservient US "statelet". (This does not have to be a political manoeuvre, financial slavery will do just as well).
Individual nations?. Ruin them by massive immigration to break down societies. Destroy their right to act individually (Decision by Consensus at Brussels).

OK. This could be preferable for the world, to the "stop the One road" and delay tactics of the "Intelligence" groups and the Military-Industrial bloodsuckers in the US. Has the D actually acted as I have suggested above? No way of knowing....yet.

(PS: CAN anyone think of a better term for the "intelligence" services in the US as they appear to be anything except intelligent? )

Posted by: stonebird | Jul 17 2018 21:45 utc | 129

its the BBC! and they claim:

James Cook
‏Verified account @BBCJamesCook
3h3 hours ago

BREAKING Under intense pressure, accused of treachery, President Trump now says he accepts the conclusion of US intelligence that Russia 'meddled' in the US election. A lot of damage has already been done though.

Trump meets Putin officially in a summit: he's called traitor. By media. So what do we call Russia's opp filing into US embassy 2012 an election year ? … isn't that treason ? Isn't navalny a traitor as well for his US support ?

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2018 21:51 utc | 130

I recently watched some western doco's on the Jews in Iran. They were western, DW and so forth but no propaganda. Apart from having to conform to Islamic dress codes, it was quite clear that they had full freedom to observe their religion. It was also very clear from the doco's and the interviews with Jewish people that Iran believes jews have the right to live through the region as they are part of the religious history, it is only the zionists state that has no right to exist - at least not in its current form.

But the current internal state of Iran is what interests me at the moment. Any search is swamped by western propaganda, and I guess Iran government would try to play down any unrest caused by the propaganda effort.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 21:57 utc | 131


That is not the case. The attitude towards Russia in the US seems to be driven by politics.

Gallup polls

People's opinion on Russia was favorable during the Obama/Clinton reset and was favourable after 9/11 under Bush. Also favorable when Bill Clinton was President.

There is a divide between Republicans and Democrats, Republicans tend to be more in favor, but Trump still takes a huge risk in cultivating Putin.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2018 22:00 utc | 132

Whether of not Trump has the foresight, b's analysis is fundamentally interesting and to the point: A weak Western Europe and even more demographically challenged partners in Asia will not allow the US to keep up with even a loose coalition of China and Russia. India is a bit of a wild card in all this, but too hemmed geographically and by its own politics to help the US, even if it truly came into play.

Posted by: fx | Jul 17 2018 22:05 utc | 133

Perhaps the cultural hatred is more concentrated in the types that have taken political science lessons and the politicians.
The last round of sanctions was carried by 98% of the elected representatives. These were specifically to undermine Trump. I believe at that time, legislation was passed that only congress could end Russia sanctions.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 22:06 utc | 134

Giving way too much credit to Trump. He is just a figure head. Besides his Business Empire borrowed tons of money from Russian oligarchs/banks and he may want to renegotiate the loan terms. Besides this Papa Bibi has good relations with Putin and has met 3 times this year, including last week. Iran is Israels priority and Trump will do as they say. And to add to this, Russia has liquidated 85% of their USTS holdings from 100 billion to 14 billion in just 2 months. Watch out below if Russias pal China does the same. Lots of elements at play here

As for the absurdity in the reaction by some in the US about nothing, it seems likely something is up thats not being talked about openly. Putin mentioned Browder and 400 million in laundered money that supposedly went to Hillary somehow (thats a big sum , perhaps a tax haven account). Browder is now a UK citizen to avoid US taxes and has much more than this to throw around in the UK. Some Elements in both countries seem committed to making Putin an enemy and going to extraordinary lengths to make it happen. Putin wants Browder badly, supposedly for taxes but I wonder if Browder may have ripped off one of the oligarchs who is head of the Russian mafia that has been connected to both Putin and Trump . No idea but following the money might be interesting

Posted by: Pft | Jul 17 2018 22:10 utc | 135

More on the Chinese President Mrs. Clinton and her retinue at the CIA and FBI:
"Former top FBI lawyer Lisa Page testified during two days of closed-door House hearings, revealing shocking new Intel against her old bosses at the Bureau, according the well-placed FBI sources.
Alarming new details on allegations of a bureau-wide cover up. Or should we say another bureau-wide cover up.
The embattled Page tossed James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok and Bill Priestap among others under the Congressional bus, alleging the upper echelon of the FBI concealed intelligence confirming Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails, federal sources said.
The Russians didn’t do it. The Chinese did, according to well-placed FBI sources." True Pundit

Posted by: Anya | Jul 17 2018 22:16 utc | 136

I notice that Pepe Escobar claims, "The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) now controls virtually 90% of national territory."

Has he not looked at a map of Syria in the past year or two? The US military and its SDF proxies occupy about 1/3 of Syria's land (everything on the non-Eretz Israel side of the Euphrates River) and 40% of its oil. And again, Mattis said there is not plan to ever leave.

Turkey is also occupying a significant chunk of Syrian land, and is ethnically cleansing not just the Kurds, but also Syrian Arabs, installing Turk-run local governments and schools and flying the Turkish flag.

This insistence that Syria has won the war, and is just doing some last minute mopping up is just plain bizarre. The only way that could be true is if we were to believe that Drumpf really planes to imminently pull out US troops and end support for the Kurds and "rebels," and could convince the Sultan of Turkey to do the same... AND that the real PTB would allow those things even if Drumpf did want them.

I sincerely hope the Syrian Arab Republic and its loyal allies really do with this horrible war that the AZ Empire rained down upon them. I just do not understand why Pepe and others insist they already have.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 22:24 utc | 137


People's opinion on Russia was favorable during the Obama/Clinton reset and was favourable after 9/11 under Bush. Also favorable when Bill Clinton was President.

There is a divide between Republicans and Democrats, Republicans tend to be more in favor, but Trump still takes a huge risk in cultivating Putin.

I believe you. But...

This is for everybody not you personally. Yes, there are sane people on the Left and the Right who don't despise Russia and who absolutely do not want war with Russia and who don't want a return to the Cold War.

So this is for everyone guilty of doing this: Stop, pushing an effing, egomaniac fascist Trump on everyone and turning good people off with statements about Trump that defy all credulity, when Trump is a fascist with his own Zionist Fake News propaganda channel, when he's deep in the Zionist camp, and his agenda is a Zionist world order agenda. So stop alienating everyone else who's sane and wants peace with Russia, Iran and China. Stop pushing this fascist's agenda that is not making the world a better place, that will not make things better but only worse in the long run for everyone except this fascist and his g.d. Zio-American empire. You can't put lipstick on an American fascist pig only because he pretends detente with Russia. It's tantamount to selling one's soul for an illusion. It's tantamount to treason if you live anywhere except in the U.S. OR Israel! And even if you live in the U.S. you are enabling the 1% and Zionist power

That's it. I'm tired of Trumpgod can do no wrong when everything he stands for is wrong. Get the snow out of your eyes!

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 22:25 utc | 138

Also please note that whenever Syrian forces get too close to the US side of Syria, the Coalition has no problem attacking and killing not just Syrian military, but Russians, too.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 17 2018 22:26 utc | 139

From what I know of Browder, he went to Russia in the 90's. Ten years later he owned a good chunk of Russian oil and other assets and pulling in profits of around $125 million per year. Was this done honestly, or through corruption and fraud?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 22:32 utc | 140

stonebird @126--

There's a longstanding joke in the USA regarding military intelligence in that it's always lacking in said intelligence. What happens is raw intel gets politicized and thus what was once neutral becomes dumb or false as one prefers.

What dooms the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals is its Zerosumism and related neoliberal/neocon policies that are driven by same philosophy. Zerosumism precludes any sort of equal dealing with others, even one's own citizenry--all is to go to the .01% as in Feudalism. To jump ship to the If you can't beat 'em join 'em path, a wholesale rejection of Zerosumism must occur and WinWinism must be embraced wholeheartedly in its place. Indeed, if Trump really wants to accomplish his MAGA project, he only has one choice: He must dump Zerosumism, which is destroying the USA and its allies, and embrace WinWinism. But to accomplish that, Trump would need far more support from US citizenry and institutions than he has at present. And unfortunately, his actions to date show he's still an acolyte of Zerosumism as it benefits him and his class.

As with the supposedly ideologically driven Cold War1 (the Anti-Communist Crusade was used as cover for neocolonialism), there is certainly an ideological divide driving Cold War2: The West's Zerosumism versus Eurasia's WinWinism. The former is anti-people and planet while the latter seeks to boost people while tackling a multiplicity of problems of which Climate Change and its Ocean Acidification is but one. Corruption thrives in the former while its anathema in the latter and subject to the death penalty in China--I'd also call that an ideological divide as the latter embraces the Rule of Law while the former ignores or tramples it (democracy versus totalitarianism).

What's really crazy is Zerosumism works against the tenets the West spelled out for itself and the world in 1945's UN Charter--the West is actually engaged in killing its own ideals! The Twitter link I posted @72 illustrates quite well the delusion of Zerosumism and the ideological divide that's quickly becoming a chasm. What the Twitteridioti don't realize is just how far their minds have been warped by Big Lie Media along with their lack of initiative to determine the facts--particularly in 2016 when this all began. Even if Assange or Murray were to name those who generated the DNC leak, I don't think that would stop the massive recrimination and ongoing Big Lies--as Murray tells us, the FBI has yet to ask him anything despite his very public admission that he knows the leakers!!!!! Launching Cold War2 is more important than discovering the truth of the matter can be the only logical conclusion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2018 22:32 utc | 141

Posted by: Anya | Jul 17, 2018 6:16:04 PM | 133

Any transcript for this "closed-door" meeting? Or just spin by people who weren't there?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2018 22:38 utc | 142

@134, 136

Thank you. The truth is always a breath of fresh air.

Reality isn't always pleasant but at least it puts things in their true perspective so everyone wakes up and starts dealing with it, as in slamming the U.S. and Trump whose hand is in what's really happening. Trump is defending Israel's interests in Syria. ISIS was the great excuse to get in illegally and without permission.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 22:44 utc | 143

It is noticeable that Trump's US attack any Syrian forces coming too close to US occupied zones of al Tanf and Dier Ezzor. Also Trumps takeover of the Deir Ezzor oilfields where US forces simply set up bases or forward posts in the ISIS occupied area. Under Trump, US has set up a number of new bases in Syria
On the other hand, no concern about Afrin and Manbij. The Deir Ezzor area is Arab tribes and this and al Hasakah (Kurd/Arab?) is the top end of the Persian Gulf/Mesopotamia oil field.
US now controls al Hasakah and half of Deir Ezzor province. The have been ongoing efforts by the US under Trump to take Al Bukamal. US has a base just south of Al Bukamal in Iraq. US bases are now thick throughout Mesopotamia, with more being built.
Also a new base being installed in Kuwait.
The US controls the Arab shore of the Persian gulf, it now has many bases in Iraq and Syria. The only thing missing is the oil rich strip of Iran running alongside the Persian gulf and Mesopotamia.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 22:46 utc | 144

Danieal @125 & Peter AU 1 @128--

On the most recent open thread, I posted a link to Khamenei's Twitter and one to a specific video there about Iran's historic relationship to the Hijab, all of which are very educational. Also, at The Saker, a series of essays about modern Iran by Ramin Mazaheri are being published of which I suggest all be read as they too are very educational. The current essay about the Basiji is fascinating as is Iran's Islamic Socialist system. It's no wonder that the Outlaw US Empire wants to completely eliminate it as it's far more democratic and progressive than the (non)democracy touted by the USA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2018 22:47 utc | 145

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17, 2018 6:06:21 PM | 131

Yep, they don't trust Trump. It is bi-partisan. Frankly, I think the North Korean "dotard" hit the mark.

Part of the voters still like what he does. Presumably they are the ones who think you can see Russia from Alaska.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2018 22:51 utc | 146


Your good ol' boy Trump is marching the empire onward and upward in a short amount of time under everyone's nose, while he gets nothing but praise around here.

The only thing missing is the oil rich strip of Iran running alongside the Persian gulf and Mesopotamia.

Hope the greedy bast..rd and his Zionist friends salivate a long time for it and choke.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 17 2018 22:58 utc | 147

As for Syria, Pepe's actually correct. Much of what was held by SDF is now under control of Damascus with negotiations ongoing to deliver what remains. Idlib and the areas of Turkish incursion plus the tiny pocket by Golan are all that remain to be liberated aside from the Zionist occupied Golan Heights. The most recent gambit was Syria's suggestion that it would have the Iranians and Hezbollah leave in exchange for occupied Golan; otherwise, they will remain until the occupied Golan is liberated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2018 23:04 utc | 148

bill browder... the topic is a big deal, as it is the magnitsky act that is the basis for the beginning of all the sanctions against russia - or a big part of it..

it is the rationale that canada also uses for its continued hostility under crystia freelands leadership to penalize russia..

bill browder just wanted to continue to rip off russia indefinitely and russia got tired of it... that is not how browder tells it...

browders grandfather was the leader of the communist party in the usa - earl -

they have a long and colourful history... bill browder seems like a real pain in the ass..

Posted by: james | Jul 17 2018 23:06 utc | 149

It is hard to reconcile this, "Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails" with that, "the US "defense" budget is approximately 1.2 trillion dollars a year."
There was also the stunning Awan affair when a family of Pakistanis (with no security clearance) had been surfing congressional computers for years and perhaps selling the obtained classified information to the third parties. So much for the mighty mice CIA and FBI.

Posted by: Anya | Jul 17 2018 23:06 utc | 150

Under its religious leadership, Islamic Iran appears a very tolerant society that has been under constant attack. From what I have read, a number of the religious laws concerning society are not rigidly enforced allowing a reasonable amount of freedom.
What may be happening now though is that after growing up in the religious environment but watching western television, many young people may be thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence and with a concerted Israeli/US propaganda effort may attempt to climb through. I guess if they do, they will find themselves in a paddock similar to Ukraine named Rump Iran.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 23:17 utc | 151

Circe @135

For sure I am in agreement: the "Trumpgod" is a shamanistic construction of a demoralized population.
Still, doesn't the Universe work in such a way that *good* is constitutionally unable to successfully
confront *evil*? Doesn't evil-fighting-evil and destroying a worse-evil leave a little less evil in this world?

If that is how this Universe really works, and one has only force to work with, in the material realm,
Donald Trump would seem well enough suited to the role of either lesser or greater-evil; either-way, hopefully leading-to dimunition of error, self-deception, and suffering of the children of Eve and Adam.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 17 2018 23:21 utc | 152

@143 Probably the anti-immigration folk and the ones with good jobs. I don't think he would have made nice to Putin if he thought it would upset them. Let's see if they enjoy the trade wars.

Posted by: dh | Jul 17 2018 23:25 utc | 153

I have watched Khamenei speak (subtitles) on world affairs and read transcripts. He is very similar to Nasrallah, Assad, and Putin in his understanding of the world.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 17 2018 23:25 utc | 154

Brilliant piece, a geopolitics class...

Posted by: Dario | Jul 17 2018 23:35 utc | 155

Peter AU 1 @ 137:

There was a documentary that I saw on Youtube once called "Through Sherlock's Eyes: The Letter M" which investigated the deaths of Edmund Safra and Sergei Magnitsky, and gives some history about Bill Browder (whose grandfather Earl Browder I understand was once a member of the Communist Party USA) and his founding of Hermitage Capital Management. HCM raided the assets of privatised Russian state corporations. Some of the wealth gained by HCM apparently went into destabilising Ukraine over the next several years. The documentary insinuates that Browder could have been working for British and US intelligence agencies.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 17 2018 23:49 utc | 156

Peter AU @ 137

Interesting read here, transcript of hearing from head of Fusion GPS who investigated Trump. Has quite a bit on Browder and he is not a fan. Lengthy read

I broke to link up as it was long

Apparently Browder had some dealings with Putin in the 90's before he took over and made a pile of money that necessitated him giving up his US citizenship to avoid the taxes. He worked for Salomon Brothers at the time before setting up his own company and then bankrupting the company and fleeing with the loot (that was the allegation). Salomon Brothers main office was in WTC7 which was demolished in 2001 (not that its related) There seems to be an interesting story here that is only partially told.

Putin made a lot of connections with Western Investors and oligarchs in the 90's when a lot of the looting was taking place under Yeltsin. He knows where the skeletons are buried and presumably has some of his own. His mentor was Anatoly A. Sobchak who some credit with being the principle writer of the neoliberal constitution for the West that put Russias Central Bank beyond government control (they moved most of Russias gold to the tax haven of Jersey in the UK). He was Mayorbof St Petersburg and hired Putin. Sonchak was forced into exile in Paris over corruption charges before Putin took over. Putin invited him back in 1999 and he died suspiciously on his return

Anyways, Putins history in the 90's

"On June 12, 1991 Putin was appointed head of the International Committee at the St. Petersburg Mayor's Office. His tasks at the new position involved attracting foreign investments to the city economy, establishing and maintaining co-operation with foreign partners and supervising the creation and opening of joint ventures.

In March 1994 Putin became Mr. Sobchak's head of external relations, and after that he has been combining his job at the International Committee with his new post of the St. Petersburg government's First Deputy Chairman. During the same period he has headed the city's Emergency Committee and monitored the activities of law enforcement agencies. He has worked in close contact with the Legislative Assembly and St. Petersburg's Public Relations Department.

In 1996 he was recommended for a job in the presidential administration by Anatoly Chubais, where in March 1997 he became Deputy Chief of the President's administration and head of the Main Control Board. In May 1998 he became the presidential First Deputy Chief-of-staff in charge of Russia's regions and territories. In July 1998 Putin was asked to take charge of one of Russia's new state security organizations, the Federal Security Services (FSB), replacing Nikolai Kovalyov. In March 1999 President Boris Yeltsin appointed him Secretary of the Russian Security Council, while keeping his post of the FSB Director."

I'm guessing Bowder and him bumped heads at one time or another. Would love to know the details

Posted by: Pft | Jul 17 2018 23:57 utc | 157

Thanks. I researched Browder a little in the past but did not run onto that (Ukraine, UK/US intel).

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 0:00 utc | 158

Putin would have known a nuber of the foreign business people that moved into Russia in that era as it was his job for several years to approve or disprove foreign business plans.
I have read an article written by a UK business woman who went to Putin to obtain permission for their company to operate in Russia. In her case the application was gone through thoroughly, and then rejected as it did not fully comply Russian laws of the day. This was done while she was there, Putin asking questions about various aspects of the plan, and pointing how some aspects did not comply with a certain law and explaining the relevant law. There was no mention nor hint of asking or pushing for a bribe of any sort.
It was several years ago I read that piece, have looked for it again a few times but cannot find it.
From that, and from what I have seen of Putin currently and throughout his presidency, he personally is a stickler for the law and believes in change through evolution.
Through the nineties, corruption would have been all around. If, when he became president in late 99? he tried to jail all those involved in corruption and so forth through the nineties he may have had to jail 50% of the Russian population. He gave everybody a chance to straighten themselves up, only those who thought they were still living in the nineties and refusing to change course and become honest businessmen were taken down.
There are some that are still mafia in other parts of the world, but within Russia, they too must toe the line.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 0:21 utc | 159

karlof1 @142. I've been away, and haven't checked the threads from last week. I'll go check the Ayatollah's tweet though. I've read all of the Mazaheri articles on Iran that I've seen. He's a biased, pro-Islamic, paid member of the government, and it really shows. His article on the Basij literally angered me with his white-washing of its heinous record of tracking down and punishing the real leftists in Iran's revolution. And that's not just ancient history. Although most of the radical leftists were "dealt with" by the end of the Iraq war, they are still carrying out paramilitary and "educational" "moral police" work.

It's become apparent to me that they, and the Islamic hijacking of the revolution in general, were a CIA/MI6/Mossad engineered counter-revolution.

Grieved, whom I generally admire, appears to be totally in the sway of this author/propagandist. I would hope you, as a historian, would seek other primary sources, especially within a historical context before drawing any conclusions about claims this guy makes.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 0:22 utc | 160

karlof1 @145. From what I've seen, some Arab tribes in Syria's north/east have signed agreements with the SAR. There are also anti-Kurdish protests. Both of which show what I've been writing for years now. Mainly, only 6% of Syria's pre-war population was Kurdish, and there is no way the Syrian people were going to just accept that they be allowed to control 1/3 of Syria's territory and almost 1/2 of its oil.

But no SAA troops have been permitted by the US/Coalition to even approach "their" side of the Euphrates. There will be no liberation of Syria until the US Coalition/NATO has been removed, and their Kurdish proxies either removed or reconciled.

Similarly, there was some resistance to the Turkish invasion/occupation of significant portions of Syria. At least SAA has been allowed to fight the "rebels" in Idlib a bit, but as far as I've seen, they have not confronted the Turkish and Turkmen forces.

And I haven't even mentioned Golan. Putin specified that his goal was to establish the 1974 situation, which was the stalemate whereby Israel occupied Golan and UN forces separate IOF from SAA. So it appears that if Syria is to reestablish its full sovereignty, it may have to fight Israel without Russian assistance or even support.

Again, all of which shows that this war is far from over.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 0:35 utc | 161

The trouble with all this analysis is that it disregards one thing ... thermonuclear weapons. None of these countries, US, Russia, China is a danger to any of the others. A war between any of them is inconceivable and barring some unforeseen breakthrough will remain that way for centuries to come.

These 3 nations are continental in size. None of them can be 'strangled' by the others. You might be thinking of energy, but along with ending war, nuclear technology makes that irrelevant as well. Nuclear power (despite the idiocy you hear constantly from 'anti-nukes'), means that every country can have virtually limitless energy. There is a lot of uranium around, and used in advanced reactors it will last so far into the future, that it might as well be forever. The only reason the fossil-fuel age has not ended, is inertia. We are at the beginning of the uranium age.

And what this means is that if any of these huge countries wants to turn to isolation to whatever degree, it really doesn't matter.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Jul 18 2018 0:38 utc | 162


The problem is everyone is stuck in the "lesser over greater evil" construct and that's what makes the American Zionist-influenced duopoly so powerful. Trump is part of that failed system that Americans are so dependent on and that always leads to the same place. People should fight this lesser vs greater evil construct, even if Americans are too stupid at this time to get out of it. It means they'd have to choose outside the box, outside the media's choices example Fox and other Rightist outlets for Trump. CNN, MSNBC - Hillary, but the media is all Zionist run and specializes in the brainwash on both sides. It's all part of the same sham. The duopoly.

It starts with primaries for representatives and choosing a candidate that demonstrates independence and integrity; especially those that the media wants to ignore; that's not beholden to special interests or financed by Zionists.

Most importantly when America goes wrong and it's royally f...cked up right now, the rest of the world, the web has to push back against their ignorance and their stupid choices, because those choices hurt others as much as they hurt them only they're still too brainwashed to see it. Americans had the right idea to turn on the establishment, but Trump was the perfect Zionist anti-establishment decoy, a fraud, a pretender just like Obama was for the Left.

In the past election, the only viable contender was Bernie who got railroaded by Democratic Zionists like Wasserman and Podesta. I think Bernie was more authentic than the two evils, Hillary and Trump, and although his Zionist roots are always a concern; he was run out precisely because he was a rogue Jew and Zionists couldn't trust him. He wasn't in the pocket of Zionist financiers although he was running with the Democrats, but in the current status quo he had no choice but to use the Democratic Party as a means to an end and they did him in. If Hillary were not on the ticket who knows what could have been. He was a start in the right direction away from the Zionist financed duopoly.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 0:39 utc | 163

Correction: It's not if Hillary wasn't on the ticket; I meant to say if she weren't in the primary race. Amazingly, Sanders had great momentum for an Independent in Congress but the Zionist witch cut him off at the knees.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 0:45 utc | 164

Dated 17/7/18
To discuss the potential for American recognition of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights in furtherance of U.S. national security interests.
The Golan Heights is a strategically significant region located along the Israel-Syria border. In 1981, Israel permanently brought the Golan Heights under its law, jurisdiction, and administration.
In February 2017, Israel’s Prime Minister requested the United States recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights.
In May 2018, Iranian forces attacked Israel in the Golan Heights by firing rockets from Syria. The Administration responded by issuing a statement in support of Israel.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 0:56 utc | 165

Russia and China are in this trip to the end. The US is SOL!

Posted by: John Hawk | Jul 18 2018 1:02 utc | 166

Circe @141. Thanks. I also don't get this resistance you get to the overwhelming evidence that The Donald is a property of the Zionists. I honestly don't know if the supra-national banksters are directed by Zionists, or if Zionism itself is a useful product of the banksters, but either way, they are the most powerful entity - or at least the dirtiest smirch on civilization.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 1:10 utc | 167

@149 Guerrero said: "Still, doesn't the Universe work in such a way that *good* is constitutionally unable to successfully
confront *evil*?"

Not often one sees metaphysics enter the realm of geo-political debate in this or any political forum. But, heck, why not? The unseen forces guiding the survival instincts of the universe (of which the Earth is a part) may indeed be at work. Trump - whatever one sees in him - seems to be the man for the times. Paradigms are bending, cracking, the conversation is changing. I'll never forget the shock in the MSM, almost to the point of stupefaction, at Trump accusing Obama during the election campaign of being the "founder of ISIS." What was even more amazing was how weak Obama's response was. I don't think anybody posting here would disagree that ISIS was Obama's baby - whether through adoption or progeny. But what serious candidate for President before Trump would ever say such a thing publicly - even if he knew it to be true? Whether by design or through blundering, boorish idiocy born of whatever flaws and motives you want to ascribe to him, Trump is very boisterously upsetting the political apple cart and with it the entire world order. If it is indeed for show as the world elites close their grip on the people of the planet - it is quite a show. But I don't think so...

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 18 2018 1:13 utc | 168

Secondary sanctions kick in Nov 4. Midterm elections according to wikipedia Nov 6. Connected or chance?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 1:25 utc | 169

Brennan, McCain, media corporations (in the west),... after a while you kinda have to wonder what planet these dipshits are really from... not to mention the rest of the meltdown crew...

Posted by: Josh | Jul 18 2018 1:35 utc | 170

@ashley albanese 113 and @Peter AU1 117

You are absolutely right about the progression of the Australian Main Sewer Media, it used to be a little better a few years back. I simply do not consume its swill any more - zero, zilch, nada. The Australian MSM are the best proof that Australia is following the US decline close behind. This is without any good reason except for its deep political corruption. Australia is unlikely to have a civil war that US will have, but a lot of economic troubles, unrest and upheaval is ahead of us. What else could one expect from a country which is trying to annoy its biggest and the only possible customer on someone else's behalf? This is not generally appreciated, but Australia never seams to learn from its past mistakes; eventually it will end up adding "un" to the "lucky country".

Posted by: Kiza | Jul 18 2018 1:40 utc | 171

B's Kissinger/Brzezinski influences might be correct, but I seriously doubt that Trump has the foreign policy knowledge to understand it. As his latest gaffe at the post-Helsinki Summit press conference ("I don't see any reason why it would NOT be") shows, he is a complete joke! No one will ever take him seriously again.

He has alienated the 11 Pacific countries by abandoning TPP, Canada and Mexico with The Wall, NAFTA and the tariffs, Japan with the Korean non-deal, Europe with NATO costs, Russian pipeline blocks, and tariffs, Russia with sanctions, China with trade tariffs and South China Sea, Iran with JCPOA and war threats that he can't back up, Turkey and India with S-400 sanctions. Well done - all we need now is for the US Dollar to blow up and who will want to keep using his toilet paper currency?

Meanwhile China and Russia have created a bloc containing over half the world's population, which can work even with the US in collapse mode. China only needs to announce it will sell down its Treasury holdings over the next two years, and the US markets will implode. Europe and Australia and probably Saudi Arabia will then switch to the Chinese bloc for their exports, and the US Empire will shrivel up and die in chaos and poverty.

Posted by: Palloy | Jul 18 2018 2:05 utc | 172

As for Trump, the same case is true. He represents the part of America which is realizing it is loosing its sole superpower status. Had Hillary Clinton won in 2016 (which could have happened -- Trump only won because of American system's technicalities), the cauldron that is today's USA social fabric would've only gathered even more pressure, triggering an even deeper crisis in 2020.
Posted by: vk | Jul 17, 2018 2:09:39 PM | 80

That's the sort of fuzzy logic I was whingeing about in the comment to which this codswallop is purporting to be a response. Team Trump was fully aware of the 'technicalities' and ran a campaign designed to capitalise on them. Not only did they figure out how to maximise the potential advantage of focusing on the Electoral College, Trump campaigned his arse off 7 days a week.

Hillary the "consummate professional insider", on the other hand ran a lazy lacklustre campaign. The over-arching feature of Her public gatherings was that they were little more than an invitation to bask in Hillary's reflected Radiance. So not only did Trump win the race, his victory was enhanced by Hillary's stupidity and chronic self-absorption.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 18 2018 2:21 utc | 173

"but I seriously doubt that Trump has the foreign policy knowledge"

So many posts in this thread begin in this way. Is Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) a new weapon of mass destruction unleashed by the US? TDS is a dangerous thing. b gave a link to grand strategy. Many here must prefer checkers to chess.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 2:25 utc | 174

Perhaps Trump deliberately developed his persona with psychological warfare and TDS in mind. However it came about, it sure fucking works.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 2:31 utc | 175

Activist Potato @164, well Obama was on record saying that they stood by and watched ISIS grown, and take ever more territory and expected it would weaken the Syrian government, leading to "Mission Accomplished." Even if he did want to prevent Trump from being (s)elected, that would be a hard hill to fight for.

The US public has been fed up with the corruption and disastrous policies of the US government for quite a while. I mean, 10 years ago we elected a black(ish) man with a Muslim name for criizzacks! How desperate were we to do that in the middle of the "Clash of Civilizations" Global War OF Terror?

By the time they were planning out the 2016 (s)election, it should have been clear to anyone that the US was going to vote for real change. It turns out that a good number were so desperate that they said they'd vote for the New York City conman, knowing he was horrible, simply because they thought they were throwing a monkey wrench into "the system."

So, what did they give us? A woman who was not only the most hated and mistrusted candidate in history (until The Donald), but also the very symbol of “more of the same.” Then, some how, “leaked” or “hacked” documents came out showing she was even more criminal and corrupt that most had thought. And they came out at just the right time to make a good number of those who were willing to hold their noses and vote for her to refuse to.

Meanwhile, the MSM filled the airwaves with everything Trump such that they sucked the oxygen out of the room for anyone else. And the MSM insisted Trump was “an outsider,” and showed us every way possible that “the Establishment” didn’t want to let him “win.”

I came to see the whole operation as a brilliant psyop about the time of the Party Conventions. I was so sucked into the drama of the DNC stealing the nomination from Sanders that I allowed myself to be sucked right along (as I believe I was meant to be).

But after a year and a half of watching the only changes in US policy have been to escalate the worst of them, and rape the 99% with even greater fury, it takes a special kind of faith to still believe that Trump was ever an “outsider” and that the “establishment” is anything except thrilled with how it’s going. Hell, even failed “news” organizations like the NY Times and MSDNC are in boon times again!

And the brilliant irony of it all is that they're making bank on telling us how much they hate what's making them rich! LOL!

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 2:45 utc | 176


Stop trying to portray Trump as an activist, Activist Potato. No one is as media savvy as Trump, and I'm not talking merely mainstream; I'm talking out of the mainstream and other strange extra-planetary web sites where tin foil is in fashion. Of course, Trump is going to throw stuff like that comment on Obama up in the air, when he knows his friends visiting Infowars are going to lap it up and fight the flak. Trump understands the power of the web; he's a expert manipulator. He's going to fish for whatever meme is flying around the web and repeat it 1000 times.

Is it surprising Trump likes the company of strongmen when he's such an expert in mind control and believes that absolute power is the only way to accomplish an agenda? Yes it's good he's talking to these guys, but the motive is not peace it's control, greater imperial control? Don't fool yourself into thinking that Trump is acting in good faith with Kim and Putin. His goal is to trick them into surrendering control to the Empire.

I have to say I'm really enjoying watching the mainstream fall over themselves to dissect every lie that Trump tells; the latest being:

Trump said. “In a key sentence in my remarks I said the word ‘would’ instead of ‘wouldn’t.’ The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason I wouldn’t, or why it wouldn’t be Russia.

Now we all know this is pure bullshet on Trump's part meant to get his ass out of the heat. However, the media are in a frenzy. Correction: the Zionist media which for years and decades has lied through their teeth to get Bush jr. elected twice, and Bush-lite Obama elected twice; the lying ass media can't take it that Trump is now a much better LIAR than they are. Suddenly the Zionist media has become the oracle of truth. They just can't stand that Trump is playing them better than they played Americans for decades.

However, this is not to excuse what Trump is doing. He's as shitty as they are only he's doing it way better than them and this scares them. The good thing to come out of this, and I don't excuse Trump one bit since I know his motives are unclean, is that suddenly the truth has become so important, suddenly the media feel what it's like to be victims of DECEPTION.

Yes, it's ironic that Trump is breaking all the rules and molds and unwittingly exposing everything that's sordid with the American duopoly, the political system. However, Trump is just as sordid; and a highly deceptive manipulator; that's how he's able to get away with so much. That talent is always dangerous.

Maybe Trump's antics will pave the way for a truly honest leader to follow, one that is unfettered by the Zionist media and Zionist influence and if that happens I might be grateful, but he's a dangerous individual, who blurs everything to make people believe his intentions are honorable when they're just the opposite. I hope his tenure will last only for the time necessary to unintentionally scorch the structure that Zionists built to hold the American psyche hostage to their will.

It's like I said, Trump is Karma for America and especially for the lazy American Left and Democrats who betray them every 4 years. Maybe, just maybe a long dose of Trump bitter pill is just what was needed. What they do to the best in their ranks for the sake of Zionism is plain treachery. The Democrats deserve this karmic slap and so does the Left for not rising up to kick their ass.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 2:48 utc | 177

Hoarsewhisperer 169
Have to agree with you.

vk, the US electoral sytem has remained constant in this regard as far as I know since the constitution was written. It was designed that way apparently to allow the various colonies to come together as a state so all states/colonies would have equal vote in electing a president. It is far from a technicality.
Anybody could see who would win weeks before the election simply by doing image searches of campaign rallies. Trump would fill stadiums, but cackling Clinton would have some people seated or standing behind her plus a few people seated in front, all were close up shots to make it appear a crowd.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 2:53 utc | 178

Posted by: Peter AU 1 @165: "Connected or chance?"

As some here may recall, I am not a proponent of "The Grand Coincidence Theory" of geopolitics.

Or, as FDR said going on a century ago, "Nothing in politics happens by accident."

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 2:56 utc | 179

Daniel 175
That is my thought as well. As yet, I am not sure of its purpose.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 3:02 utc | 180

By the way, let me remind you that all the mainstream media put Trump in office. Trump got more free media during the primaries and election campaign than Hillary and Bernie put together times 2. This speaks volumes. It's not that I wanted Hillary to get more media. Bernie was filling stadiums even more than Trump, but the coverage on every media outlet was TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP wall to wall, Trump in front of his namesake flying machine. So who did the Zionist media really want? TRUMP.

Everyone got what they deserved - a good karma bitch slap. So now I'm waiting for Trump to crash and burn and take the entire putrid system down with him...i.e. Samson option.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 3:09 utc | 181

Posted by: Peter AU 1@171
"Perhaps Trump deliberately developed his persona with psychological warfare and TDS in mind."

Clearly, SOMEBODY created and promoted the Trump Brand Character over the past 40+ years.

Cui bono?

And yes, of course The Donald himself has benefited from everything from winning the sperm and egg lottery to that Rothschilds buy-off in the 1980s and on, but who/what is benefiting from his Administration?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 3:09 utc | 182


The 1% and Israel. (Russia is still mired in sanctions and surrounded by Nato.)

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 3:14 utc | 183

Circe @| 173, why does the Zionist owned and controlled media in Israel LOVE Trump, but the Zionist owned and controlled media in the US/EU HATE him?

And that is one of the (many) reasons why I do not believe the MSM narrative that Trump is an outsider whom they hate. Trump fans know the MSM lies to us about everything, big and small. And yet, they totally believe the MSM narrative about Trump and their relationship with him.

I am reminded of the atheist challenge to believers in a monotheistic religion. "You are atheistic about all the other gods except one. I am merely atheistic about one more god than you."

Well, I disbelieve one more MSM narrative than most.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 3:23 utc | 184


This is very strange. I hadn't read your post yet when I wrote mine.

Again your candor is spot on. What you wrote about the's all true. It's a racket--all of them playing us like violins.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 3:27 utc | 185

this is how it works...

the tptb write the script,

the potus acts it out,

we, the captive audience, or if you prefer,


FBI claims china hacks all the Clinton emails,
that's supposed to be a fact ?


Posted by: denk | Jul 18 2018 3:30 utc | 186

I need to read this book by alex krainerthats been delisted by amazon. I bet Bill Browder is not a fan

Posted by: Pft | Jul 18 2018 3:30 utc | 187

I'm of a different mind when it comes to the elites/money. Was it you or somebody commented some time back that the US elite is not a monolith? No matter, I think Trump is part of a faction of the elite rather than a groomed puppet. There are a number of factions in the US, who mostly act in unison, but now, I think two three factions have broken off and won power. These factions would be old US money, US nationalists and zionists with Iran derangement syndrome. As anywhere the factions will overlap in interests, as in many with Iran derangement syndrome will overlap with those who have Russia derangement syndrome and so forth.
US is a mess with so many derangement syndromes, even amongst the elite. Trump is something like a catalyst that causes the elite, and much of the US to separate into two distinctly different groupings of derangement syndrome.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 3:35 utc | 188

Methinks the media pot is calling the Trump kettle black; or is it the other way around? They're interchangeable; they're like a jacket that has two sides one can wear when the other side looks too dirty.

Same thing with the Washington duopoly. When one starts to look transparent; the other one takes over.

It's all a racket people. Stop buying into the media and duopoly system and it'll lose its power. They exist on your desperation, your need for illusion and your insanity i.e. doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result when you know it's clearly not working!

Trump is the master illusionist du jour even topping Obama, who was like the charming preacher minus the performing snakes. Perhaps the only true statement to come out of Hillary's mouth was about her rival.: "The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be heard and the world will be perfect.

She should know; she peddles the same.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...err...once.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 3:49 utc | 189

Daniel @125 & Peter AU 1 @128

I must second karlof1's advice @142 to read the Ramin Mazaheri articles on Iran. Daniel knows all too well that I've been pushing these. The latest piece in the 11-part series is out today and the link is here:

A leftist analysis of Iran’s Basij…likely the first in the West

What I value most about Mazaheri is that he is a socialist. I place great hope in socialism as the answer to many of the hegemonic and predatory capitalist ills of the world, and I rejoice to see it gaining strength and taking on character in various nations around the world. China is obviously the largest example in the world, but I am fascinated to learn Iran's version.

I haven't read this latest piece yet by the way - busy - but I agree with karlof1 that all the parts should be read, and final evaluation withheld until all of his data is presented.



Daniel - I'm still on the Iran agreement. I follow the instruction of Goethe who wrote: "Do not hurry. Do not rest."

Peter Au 1 - I have all your Kissinger et al links bookmarked, and look forward to the time that I can digest them. It's great to see these names appear in this analysis by b, and to see you keeping this history current in this thread. I hope yet to join you in this particular discussion.

karlof1 - I come so late to this thread it's almost the end of Page 2. Thankfully, you keep on your reading list and posting not only links but valuable reflection and consideration of their import, along with summary of their substance. You are like the transcript of the transcript, for which, many thanks.

b - what a crackerjack piece of journalism again. Thank you so much! How often we neglect to praise your work, because we're so inspired by it to charge ahead and build on the perfect cornerstone you so often set as the founding stone of the edifice. With this kind of accuracy at the helm, we could be Masons ;)

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2018 3:57 utc | 190

Peter AU 1 @184. I have written, and do still absolutely believe that the 0.01% is not a monolith, and that they do compete, sometimes with absolutely disastrous effects on humans.

I just don't see this Trump vs. "Deep State" or whatever as an example of that. The 0.01% and their MSM who we are told is "the resistance" helped create and bolster the Trump Brand, and are profiting mightily from his Administration.

I just saw an article showing Goldman Sachs' profits have gone up 44% since Trump. Again, not "The Grand Coincidence" that Trump stuffed the swamp with more GS creatures of the black lagoon than any other President in history.

Or, are GS now anti-globalists, playing along with Trump's brilliant 5-D chess? ;-)

Seriously, what AZ Empire elitists have suffered under the Trump Administration?

The extraction industries are flying high. The MIC is raking it in. The supra-national banksters.... well, they always do well, but they're obviously thrilled as is Wall Street in general.

As I noted above, even the failing media of the NY Times and MSDNC are in boon times! Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert were in the ratings cellar until Trump, now they're tops in their slots. Michael frigging Moore and U2 are relevant again! ;-)

Seriously, I had asked who benefits. But the easier question has to be who suffers?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 18 2018 4:11 utc | 191

(PS: CAN anyone think of a better term for the "intelligence" services in the US as they appear to be anything except intelligent? )

Posted by: stonebird | Jul 17, 2018 5:45:32 PM | 126

"spooks" seems pretty apt.

Posted by: DM | Jul 18 2018 4:14 utc | 192

The Magnitsky Act..

Could this be the reason behind the DJT/Putin square dance?

Posted by: ben | Jul 18 2018 4:20 utc | 193

@107 b

Thanks for explaining that missing comments are caught in the moderator queue that you have to filter manually.

I have a suggestion to commenters that I will post in an open thread that may help this situation.

Posted by: Grieved | Jul 18 2018 4:21 utc | 194

An excerpt from my post @ 189:

"I’m lodged so firmly under Putin’s skin because I’m the person responsible for getting the Magnitsky Act passed in the United States in 2012. This is a law that allows the U.S. government to freeze assets and ban visas of human-rights violators around the world. Some of these human-rights violators had killed Sergei Magnitsky, my Russian lawyer who was murdered in a Moscow jail for uncovering a massive $230 million government-corruption scheme that we’ve since traced to known Putin cronies. In essence, Putin received some of the proceeds of this crime, and he is terrified that the Magnitsky Act could be applied to his offshore fortune, which is probably one of the largest amassed in modern times."

And DJT is firmly enmeshed in this mess.

Time will tell...

Posted by: ben | Jul 18 2018 4:26 utc | 195

Trump's swamp is very different from what most of us here at b's see as the swamp. Trump's swamp is what Pat Lang at SST terms as the borg. It is the pidgins strutting around shitting on the chessboard (Putin), the Zbig foreign policy 'ex-spurts' blinded by Russia derangement syndrome.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 4:26 utc | 196

Mackinder's concluding points of his book on the Heartland theory was that the Oceanic nations, the North Atlantic ones, should persuade the Heartland in the superiority of idealism, neighborliness, and balanced global development, over brutal competition for dominance on the basis of geographic determinism.

The comparison with what is going on a century later is obvious.

As Trump knows about the heartland theory, I hope he is also aware of its conclusions in Harold J. Mackinder, 1919.

Posted by: Levantine | Jul 18 2018 4:26 utc | 197

About Iran; I think we should be grateful for the Russia meddling distraction with no end in sight. Hopefully, Trump won't use Iran to rally media and public opinion like Bush did with Iraq after 9/11.

You know he will! I'm surprised he hasn't unleashed Bolton on Iran yet. When he does, you'll see the bullshet meter go off the charts at Trump's deception. No doubt Bolton is like a rabid dog on Trump's leash waiting to attack.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 18 2018 4:32 utc | 198

Grieved 186
Would very much like to bounce thoughts off you at times. So many lines that need following, but will have to try and absorb Mazaheri as I believe Iran is now the most important piece to watch. I have read history and war (books) most of my life, but now unable to concentrate on a long detailed read.
If not I will rely on yourself and Karlof1 in this regard.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 18 2018 4:34 utc | 199

I think you're overestimating Trump b. He does not even care about politics deep down and for all we know the Russians might actually have some dirt on him. Not everything coming out of the so called liberal media is 'fake news'

Posted by: Ninel | Jul 18 2018 4:41 utc | 200

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