Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 21, 2018

Either Trump Fires These People Or The Borg Will Have Won

President's Trump successful summit with President Putin was used by the 'resistance' and the deep state to launch a coup-attempt against Trump. Their minimum aim is to put Trump into a (virtual) political cage where he can no longer pursue his foreign policy agenda.

One does not have to be a fan of Trump's policies and still see the potential danger. A situation where he can no longer act freely will likely be worse. What Trump has done so far still does not add up to the disastrous policies and crimes his predecessor committed.

The borg, financed and sworn to the agenda of globalists and the military-industrial-media complex, has its orders and is acting on them. The globalists want more free trade agreements, no tariffs and more immigration to prevent higher wages. Capital does not have a national attachment. It does not care about the 'deplorables' who support Trump and his policies:

[P]olls show that Trump appears to still have the support of the bulk of Republican voters when it comes to tariffs. Nearly three-fourths, or 73 percent, of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who responded to a Pew Research survey out this week said they felt increased tariffs would benefit the country.

His 'isolationist' economic policies make Trump an enemy of the globalists:

Donald Trump is, indeed, a kind of traitor to the Washington Consensus, a hyper-militarized capitalist utopia of corporate dominated global supply chains that doubled the international wage-slave workforce in the last two decades of the 20th century and herded these desperate billions into a race to the bottom. The leadership of both corporate parties conspired to force U.S. workers into the global meat-grinder.

The weapon industry and the military recognize that the 'war of terror' is nearing its end. To sell more they need to create an new 'enemy' that looks big enough to justify large and long-term spending. Russia, the most capable opponent the U.S. could have, is the designated target. A new Cold War will give justification for all kinds of fantastic and useless weapons.

Trump does not buy the nonsense claims of 'Russian meddling' in the U.S. elections and openly says so. He does not believe that Russia wants to attack anyone. To him Russia is not an enemy.

Trump grand foreign policy is following a realist assessment. He sees that previous administrations pushed Russia into the Chinese camp by aggressive anti-Russian policies in Europe and the Middle East. He wants to pull Russia out of the alliance with China, neutralize it in a political sense, to then be able to better tackle China which is the real threat to the American (economic) supremacy.

This week was a prelude to the coup against Trump:

Former CIA chief John Brennan denounced Trump as a “traitor” who had “committed high crimes” in holding a friendly summit with Putin.

It can’t get more seditious than that. Trump is being denigrated by almost the entire political and media establishment in the US as a “treasonous” enemy of the state.

Following this logic, there is only one thing for it: the US establishment is calling for a coup to depose the 45th president. One Washington Post oped out of a total of five assailing the president gave the following stark ultimatum: “If you work for Trump, quit now”.

Some high ranking people working for Trump followed that advice. His chief of staff John Kelly rallied others against him:

According to three sources familiar with the situation, Kelly called around to Republicans on Capitol Hill and gave them the go-ahead to speak out against Trump. (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan held televised press conferences to assert that Russia did meddle in the election.

Others who attacked Trump over his diplomatic efforts with Russia included the Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats who used an widely distributed interview for that:

The White House had little visibility into what Coats might say. The intelligence director’s team had turned down at least one offer from a senior White House official to help prepare him for the long-scheduled interview, pointing out that he had known Mitchell for years and was comfortable talking with her.

Coats was extraordinarily candid in the interview, at times questioning Trump’s judgment — such as the president’s decision to meet with Putin for two hours without any aides present beyond interpreters — and revealing the rift between the president and the intelligence community.

FBI Director Wray also undermined his boss' position:

FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday defended Special Counsel Robert Mueller as a “straight shooter,” and said the Russia investigation is no “witch hunt.”

Speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado, Wray said he stood by his view that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election in some capacity and that the threat remained active.

A day later Secretary of Defense Mattis also issued a statement that contradicted his president's policy:

Secretary of Defense James Mattis took his turn doing the implicit disavowing in a statement about new military aid to Ukraine:

"Russia should suffer consequences for its aggressive, destabilizing behavior and its illegal occupation of Ukraine. … The fundamental question we must ask ourselves is do we wish to strengthen our partners in key regions or leave them with no other options than to turn to Russia, thereby undermining a once in a generation opportunity to more closely align nations with the U.S. vision for global security and stability."

Pat Lang thinks that Trump should fire Coats, Wray and Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General who is overseeing the Mueller investigation.

My advice is to spare Rosenstein, for now, as firing him would lead to a great uproar in Congress. The Mueller investigation has not brought up anything which is dangerous to Trump and is unlikely to do so in the immediate future. He and Rosenstein can be fired at a latter stage.

But Wray and Coats do deserve a pink slip and so do Kelly and Mattis. They are political appointees who work 'at the pleasure of the President'.

The U.S. has the legislative and the judicial branch as a counterweight to the president who leads the executive. The 'deep state' and its moles within the executive should have no role in that balance. The elected president can and must demand loyalty from those who work for him.

Those who sabotage him should be fired, not in a Saturday night massacre but publicly, with a given reason and all at the same time. They do not deserve any warning. Their rolling heads will get the attention of others who are tempted by the borg to act against the lawful policy directives of their higher up.

All this is not a defense of Trump. I for one despise his antics and most of his policies. But having a bad president of the United States implementing the policies he campaigned on, and doing so within the proper process, is way better than having unaccountable forces dictating their policies to him.

It will be impossible for Trump to get anything done if his direct subordinates, who work 'at his pleasure', publicly sabotage the implementation of his policies. Either he fires these people or the borg will have won.

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@100
Macron is no longer the same.
His fling with Kolinka, the President of Croatia, has attracted some animosity from Brigitte the first Lady.

She is said to have broken as many as 22 items from the Elysee's dishes, in a fit of jealousy.

Kolinka and Emmanuel seem to have found each other.

Besides, Valdimir laid some heavy charm on him so he is now in the Russian camp regarding Syria.

A good thing.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 22 2018 3:29 utc | 101

CarlD
It will be interesting to see where France goes in the coming months.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 3:36 utc | 102

there are enough FEMA camps and capacity therein to harbour and exclude all
the 1 percenters if need be.

So it is in the grasp a a US President to legally detain and hold or eliminate forever his detractors once he brands them as terrorists or colluding with terrorists.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 22 2018 3:40 utc | 103

Interesting interview of William Engdahl here. Unfortunately no transcript

"The Globalist are not trying to get the President out of office as many say. Mr. Trump is doing
their bidding and never would have got in the White House if he was a true threat to their agenda."

https://oneradionetwork.com/all-shows/f-william-engdahl-de-fanging-the-
globalist-monster-how-the-president-plays-into-their-agenda-july-17-2018/

Posted by: Pft | Jul 22 2018 3:56 utc | 104

@103

Tin foil stuff.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 4:00 utc | 105

So many stopped clocks. The mythical homogeneous elite with supernatural powers, the Zionists with super natural powers, Rothschild's with supernatural powers. Great for bedtime stories for the kids, but in reality the powers that be in the US empire are no more than various organized crime families that sometimes come together and at other times fight turf wars.
All these supernatural creatures can be taken down.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 4:03 utc | 106

Putin doesn't strike me as the kind of leader who would deal in such underhanded tactics as to betray Iran's trust for a deal with USA/Israel. That is tin-foil stuff. I'm sure China and Syria would be really impressed with Vladimir's newfound globalist-posturing that goes against everything the man has said in a post-Libya incursion world.

Silly, silly, silly.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 22 2018 4:06 utc | 107

fairleft | Jul 21, 2018 11:03:49 PM | 98

Thanks for that link.
I also align more with Mate than Jay.
I disagree with Jay's assessment of the Russia/Iran alliance; I think it's very strong and Russia will not betray Iran.

Posted by: V | Jul 22 2018 4:07 utc | 108

Russia will not 'betray' Iran. SCO is aligning behind Iran.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 4:16 utc | 109

Why would the military-industrial complex have any serious problem with Trump? He's boosted defence spending to record levels and called for a tenfold increase in the nuclear arsenal and a Space Force. The Saudis and Israelis love him. He put an unapologetic torturer in charge of the CIA and is twisting Europe's arm to massively increase defence spending. He's stepped up confrontation with China even as he tries to ratchet it down with Russia.

It's true that his conciliatory moves with Russia removes one justification for defence spending, but it's more than compensated for by his other moves. The defences of Trump offered in this article are pretty damn weak.

Posted by: sigil | Jul 22 2018 4:18 utc | 110

The way forward seems reasonably obvious. Syria, Iran and Russia clean up the last jihadi cesspool in Idlib, and with that done, a deal can be cut for both Iran and NATO to withdraw and let Assad and the SDP work out an arrangement to re-integrate. You can bet the Kurds have been taking notes about the fate of America's so-called FSA allies in Daraa. Iran will be "sold out" in a superficial sense, but you have to give NATO "something" to withdraw, and Iran will have accomplished its mission in Syria after Idlib. There is no reason to stay militarily. Only sticky bit is Turkey and getting them to go home.

Posted by: Sad Canuck | Jul 22 2018 4:20 utc | 111

When Trump blew up at NATO over Germany going with Nordstream 2 and made his little speech about how he is pro-trade, but ‘energy is different’ - well, let’s be honest, I can see Hillary Clinton running with that script, I can see Condoleeza Rice running with that script, that’s been US policy on Russian pipelines to Europe ever since Putin made it clear c. 2003-2004 that he wasn’t going to be a captive tool of the IMF and the neoliberal system, he wasn’t going to be recycing Russian petrodollars back to Wall Street, he was going to invest in domestic economic growth instead.

From that perspective, the economic warfare against Russia that GW Bush started, that Obama continued and amplified, is merely being continued by Trump. The whole deal with LNG from fracked US production being shipped to Europe - that is only plausible if Europe is cut off from Russian (and Iranian) gas supplies. Yes, that’s the Syria-Iran-Gazprom pipeline that Assad went with in 2009 - immediately after, the regime change program started. Now, where’s Trump on Iran? Basically, Trump is singing Netanyahu’s praises and revoking the nuclear deal and re-upping sanctions on Iran.

Nevertheless, despite all this - it’s not enough for the borg. Trump just isn’t militant enough for their tastes (plus, many are bitter since they tied their carts to the Clinton wagon train, which went over a cliff, leaving them out in the cold on those lucrative insider positions in the complex.) He actually TALKED to Putin, and to KIM! He cut the joint military tests with South Korea! He seems serious about wanting peaceful resolutions of these conflicts! Oh, the horror. . . Even his blustering over Iran isn’t enough - which will go nowhere, nobody wants full-out war in the Persian Gulf, the Iranians could take out Saudi and UAE and Bahraini oil production in a few days of all-out war.

I think there is a larger dynamic going on here, namely the loss of power and agency of the American Empire,which is very much like what happened when the French and British Empires finally went belly-up. The rest of the world could just look at the next American power play and collectively say, “no”. Much like what happened to France and Britain in the Suez Crisis. I actually think some of the borg know this, and are afraid of pushing things to the break point - the straw that broke the camel’s back, they know it’s out there, waiting for them.

Remarkably enough, we are almost into midterms and Trump hasn’t had a nice little war pop up for him yet; if you look back to Reagan, this is fairly unusual. Reagan had Granada and Libya and Afghanistan, GWH Bush had Iraq, Bill Clinton had Yugoslavia (not much in his first term, though), GW Bush had Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama had Syria and Libya - what does Trump have? Not much looks promising, does it.

He’d probably like to go to war in Venezuela, in Iran - but again, the straw that broke the Empire’s back, that could bring it all crashing down around him. That, Trump doesn’t want. . . Although the insane borg would probably go for it. Thank God Hillary isn’t running this show right now, that’s for sure.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Jul 22 2018 4:26 utc | 112

In this and recent threads, so many stopped clocks trying to call out b for his lack of strategic thinking

Cuckoo Cuckoo its petro dollar empire Cuckoo Cuckoo.
Every hour on the hour ad nauseam.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 4:33 utc | 113

@122 nonsense factory

I generally agree with your well written assessment, and recommend it in this dialog.

Posted by: Guerrero | Jul 22 2018 4:34 utc | 114

CarlD @81. That's a fair explanation IMO. Though Trump has been a sycophant of the Zionists for decades. He's been given Zionist awards, the "honor" of leading Zionist parades. As you imply knowing, many of his biggest "campaign donors" are Israel-Firsters. He even recorded a campaign ad for Bibi when it looked like Bibi might lose. I don't know how many US dual citizens he swayed to vote for NuttyYahoo, but the intention was clear, and Bibi definitely loves him some Donald.

He kissed the Chabad ring, signing their Israel First letter (as have all Presidents for some years now).

His children married into the tribe, and his son-in-law gave Bibi his bedroom on at least one of the Nut's visits to visit with the Kushners.

So unless he's been playing this "4-D Chess game" for decades, I wouldn't be counting on him acting against the Zionists' interests.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 22 2018 5:03 utc | 115

Everything Trump is doing seems to be inflationary

Tax cuts increasing deficit and fueling asset price inglation
Tariffs increasing prices on imports
Sanctions on oil producers increasing oil prices and prices in general
Russia dumping treasuries increases treasury interest rates
Increased deficits requiring more borrowing to finance
Push for weaker dollar increasing import prices
Plunge protection team keeping stock markey high

As inflation increases, Fed raises rates. Although Trump expresses unhappiness he knows he cant control the Fed.

Basel IV is starting to kick in where banks are required to be more sensitive to interest rate increases in order to manage risk

https://www.bis.org/press/p160421.htm

I say we should see a major economic collapse around the time of congressional elections, or perhaps early next year. Ever notice how many collapses occur in the 8th and 9th year of a decade?

Of course, by writing this I may cause the plans to change. Kind of like observing a quantum phenomena can cause a change of state. So powerful. Lol

Posted by: Pft | Jul 22 2018 5:06 utc | 116

fairleft @85. Not to come off like a circle jerk, but right on!

"..his base likes to see Trump getting establishment disinfobots bent out of shape, and third and most important by far, ISRAEL."

Yep. His fans cheer and his detractors jeer. Reality TV at its finest. And yet the wheels keep going round and round (and I don't mean just the ones in the squirrel cage).

I'm not sure what the deal is with Israel. That is, I don't know if Israel is some sort of vanity project/finance shelter of the supra-national banksters (most especially the Rothschilds who bought as much of Palestine as possible from the late 1800s until JSIL simply appropriated some 95% of the land in 1948... and who built the Israeli Supreme Court [which is worth checking out, especially if one is intrigued by Illuminate motifs]). Or how much it is a real geopolitical entity driven by those Talmudic Jewish psychopaths.

Or really, if there's any difference between the two.

But either way, the JSIL and Zionists in general clearly exert more influence on US policies than any other country.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 22 2018 5:16 utc | 117

Circe @99. There you go with those fact things again.

The AZ Empire has been in the energy dominance business since the coal age evolved into the oil age. But it clearly kicked into high gear in 2003.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 22 2018 5:22 utc | 118

118
US was into the petrodollar business until 2016. January 2017 with the crowning of Trump US moved into the energy dominance business. They are two very different grand strategies.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 5:37 utc | 119

Clearly, the Borg won when Trump *appointed* "these people". And also from the beginning, the Donald got on with the important business of nepotistic self-enrichment even before he controlled his own administration; so the Washington climate of utter lawlessness suits him just fine, and he avoids a cleanup like the plague. Then again, it's called the Borg for a reason; how would one even go about sidestepping it without recruiting from a pool of religious fruitcakes and worse? Bacevich? Maybe. Steve Walt? Mayb--oh fuggetaboutit, the jews would never allow it.

Let's also not forget that opening the financial floodgates for the MIC was as much an election promise as detente with Russia. More broadly, Trump's policies seem to be what gets the best TV ratings *this* week; under such conditions, what would it even mean to be a Trump ally?

Yeah I get it, Trump's many flaws are not really controversial, and still he's the only one who can keep us out of war.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jul 22 2018 6:32 utc | 120

Peter AU @ 106

I disagree although organized crime is a tool of the elites and thrir Deep State

How is it possible? A book published by John Hopkins University suggest Elite convergence as one means. "A series of decisions by rival elites "have the cumulative effect, over perhaps a generation or more of creating elite consensual unity, thereby laying the basis for an consolidated elitist democracy"

Various groups such as the CFR, Business Roundtable, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs and many more in US and globally , along with international and political organizations meet regularly, some of it open but much of it in secret. Many of the elites have interlocking interests-government, military, corporate and media with many having practical experience in 2 or more of these groups

They pretty much have a core common ideology which I believe today is a form of Straussian Platonism. The Noble Lie is embraced and they are the Philosopher Kings, or Chosen Ones to rule the lower classes
Neoliberalism is the reward and helps separate them from the non-elites

Do they agree on all issues? No. Are there different factions? Yes. But they agree to work out their differences or deal with adversaries without exposing the consensus/conspiracy. Those that threaten the alliance are brought down through assassination or the legal system

Elites have been conspiring against the lower classes for 6000 years. Its only within the last 150 years that the means to begin convergence has existed.

I believe there was a Civil War between 2 competing factions from 1963-1973 and the good guys lost. Today the differences between remaining factions are perhaps not so great, especially economically. Geopolitically there may be less of a consensus beyond some form of Global Governance and American military and evonomic supremacy powered by neoliberal economics and reduced freedoms for the lower classes

Are the controlling elites equally represented globally? No doubt Anglo/American-Israeli and Western Europeans dominate, but Asia , Middle East and Eurasia , including those from China and Russia are no doubt represented

Its probably still a work in progress and no doubt there will be some struggle among those less represented to have more of a say in the final stage of development. I dont rule out another major war if consensus is not possible but thats a last resort due to the fear of a nuclear armageddon

Posted by: Pft | Jul 22 2018 6:53 utc | 121

Iran will be "sold out" in a superficial sense, but you have to give NATO "something" to withdraw, and Iran will have accomplished its mission in Syria after Idlib. There is no reason to stay militarily.

Sad Canuck @111

Yeah. But probably trump/NETANYAHU asked for more, involving limiting transfer of missile defense systems. Russia has long been less than generous toward Iran in this respect, so it would just be promises not to go beyond what has been transferred, as long as certain things are not done toward Russian assets in ME.

It's not about 'selling out' or not, more nuanced than that. Maybe Russia and China feel that Iran needs to be pushed to make itself a better (more secular?) ally of Russia/China. It's a 10-20 years long transitional game here and relatively early days.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 22 2018 7:48 utc | 122

'globalists'

But you failed to discuss 'the new world order' and 'teh illuminati'?

How will anyone take your posting seriously with those omissions?

and not a mention of Deep State

it's all about the Deep State

and ZOG

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 22 2018 8:04 utc | 123

fairleft "Maybe Russia and China feel that Iran needs to be pushed to make itself a better (more secular?)"

There may be something in this line of thought.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 8:05 utc | 124

@ Bably-on #28

I just want to say that the phrase "cold war" or "new cold war" has far outlived its usefulness and meaning. If there is an indecisive battle and the sides return to base then it becomes a cold war it just has no meaning in relation to current events. That was then this is now.

The "Cold War" was about the USSR exporting a global political ideology and economic system.

Whatever Putin is up to now, that is not at all what Russia is doing. They are pursuing their national interests to the extent that it benefits them and no further.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 22 2018 8:08 utc | 125

Er ... I-NZ - THIS IS IRAQ (العراق)

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 22 2018 8:26 utc | 126

Peter AU 1 | Jul 22, 2018 12:16:32 AM | 109

Yes, but Iran is not yet a member, but has observer status.
Methinks full member status this year.

Posted by: V | Jul 22 2018 8:34 utc | 127

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 22, 2018 4:08:31 AM | 125

The "Cold War" was about the USSR exporting a global political ideology and economic system.

That is a misconception. Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt agreed at Yalta to divide the world with the right to decide on ideology.
This led to Stalin not supporting Greek communists and "the West" not supporting Hungarians.

Stalin had done it before in the Hitler-Stalin pact to the point of sending German communists back to German camps.

The "cold war" was a continuation of the second world war for the military industrial complex that did not intend to dissolve. Ideology was used for the stupid people. The Vietnamese liberation movement was supported by the US until they were fought by the US.

Business including military business was always done across ideological lines as Antony Sutton describes in "The best enemy money can buy".

Antony Sutton is quite fascinating in what happens to analysis if you forget ideology.

The reason he comes up with on why Wallstreet supported Russian Marxists (and German National Socialists) - they did not want another United States in the Russian empire, they did not want a competitor, they wanted a captive market.

So that is the strategy that got stuck with Obama and Trump, there is competition and people are not keen to fight each other.
And there is hardly any ideology to fight about as the "free world" gets less and less "free".

Posted by: somebody | Jul 22 2018 9:33 utc | 128

V 126 "Methinks full member status this year."

I think so too.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22 2018 9:42 utc | 129

Posted by: Pft | Jul 21, 2018 11:56:03 PM | 104

I don't think much of William Engdahl but I agree here. That "globalist" versus "national" is for the stupid people. Like Ivanka Trump producing her stuff nationally (not).

Posted by: somebody | Jul 22 2018 10:25 utc | 130

Friday August 3, 2018.

The House of Representatives goes on recess for a month.

The House are the folks who can vote to impeach. They are not in Washington DC in August and can't vote on anything.

Fact: The are 40,000+ sealed indictments (check PACER) - these are presumably the result of work by Jeff Sessions & John Huber.

So. What to do?

The best time for Trump to start the Fight Back and to Drain the Swamp is Friday August 3 - Monday August 6.

Fire the Deep State Swampies and unseal the indictments that weekend.

Monday August 6 is exactly 3 months from the Mid-Terms.

Why do you think there was a hastily arranged meeting with Putin? It is my contention that the primary purpose of these meeting was for Trump to tell Putin that everything is arranged and it is time to take down the Deep State - starting Friday August 3 or the very next week.

And now we have seen the ridiculous Carter Page FISA warrant - the calls are beginning for it to be released fully un-redacted.

These calls will grow louder in the next 2 weeks and it is my contention that the Carter Page FISA warrant will be released completely un-redacted in 2 weeks - on Friday August 3.

This will be the start of the long-awaited Storm (of indictments).

Exactly 100 Days after Friday August 3 is November 11, 2018.

A date that has been referred to by Q.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 22 2018 10:42 utc | 131

Just that neither the judicial nor the legislative branch are currently provide any checks or balances or will be able to once Trump has seated all judges he can seat - I also think there is some foul stench emanating from the Kennedy thing which is interestingly buried underneath the friendly summit and don't tell me Trump did not arrange for this summit knowing this, same for the Kim Jong-Un summit. Congress denied Obama the right to sign the Iran Nuclear Deal without Congress playing an oversight role but Trump is all over the place and Congress has no clue what's going on. Congress needs to declare war; this in turn means Congress is entitled to know what's going on. The GOP relinquishes this because they can see that Trump fulfills their dreams. Trump and GOP are exploiting constitutional weaknesses and we have seen how this works in many places, just look at Germany 1933.

Posted by: BX | Jul 22 2018 10:52 utc | 132

Re: Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 22, 2018 5:42:10 AM | 128


V 126 "Methinks full member status this year."

I think so too.

No way full membership for Iran this year.

The pressure is being ratcheted up on Iran through the end of this year (close to an oil embargo in November) clearly with the aim of putting Iran in a tight spot in 2019.

China & Russia are clearly going to want to to extract their own pound of flesh from Iran in some way to allow Iran into the SCO.

What that is I have no idea. But the pressure on Iran will be increasing in the first half of 2019 - that is the time for China & Russia to make some sort of deal with Iran. When Iran is somewhat weekend and more desperate - and not before then.

I would expect much wheeling & dealing in regards to Iran in 2019.

Iran is clearly going to be the Number One story in 2019.

The question is - will it be Trump there to prosecute the Iran case or will it be Pence?

That is what we'll learn over the next 6-9 months.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 22 2018 11:52 utc | 133

Can we get rid of the apparent Trols, please!

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jul 22 2018 11:57 utc | 134

As he did for North Korea, Trump has invited 8 times Iran's Rouhani to meet but contrary to NK, the Iranian president has refused.
Trump wants to squeeze Iran to force into Trump's
favourite strategy: a unilateral business deal that would undermine Iran's commercial relatio with the EU, Russia and China by giving the the USA the preference.
Iran is reluctant to deal with the USA that has shown over the years to be untrustworthy and they know that Trump and the republicans may not last in power in the USA for long. Yet, on the short and medium term if Europe does not fight enough to keep Iran's oil flowing and its economy a float, Iran may be obliged to think about alternatives, one of them is to enter into direct negotiations with the USA...
In the case of North Korea, Russia, China and Japan are in favor of a peace deal between NK and the USA. In the case of Iran, there are no powers that favor such deals, quite the contrary.
This is why between Iran and the USA, it is stalemate that may tuen into increaded military confrontations, direct ou by proxies.

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 22 2018 12:06 utc | 135

Julian | Jul 22, 2018 7:52:11 AM | 132

Russia is consistently misunderstood in its support of Iran.
Iran/Persia is a critical piece in the ongoing BRI/SCO alignment.
Iran is so important, the U.S. crazies are trying to derail any support of Iran; ain't gonna happen! You can bank that!
Those who think Russia will betray Iran are/have drinking/drunk the koolaide and are ignorant of the M.E. machinations.
Too much history; too little time...

Posted by: V | Jul 22 2018 12:08 utc | 136

Somebody@129

Care to elaborate about Engdahl?. IMO him and Michael Hudson are about the only guys speaking sense, outside of b in areas not related to US politics

Posted by: Pft | Jul 22 2018 12:11 utc | 137

Pft | Jul 22, 2018 8:11:13 AM | 136

Yep, Engdahl rocks. As does Hudson.

Posted by: V | Jul 22 2018 12:16 utc | 138

The comments below describe a viewpoint that everyone should be aware of. This viewpoint breaks free of personalities, parties, and propaganda narratives that are used to mask control and squash dissent.

daniel @4

jackrabbit @8

ben @13

daniel @45

les7 @54

bevin @77

Pft @121

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 22 2018 12:23 utc | 139

Trump Derangement Syndrome, the latest all-purpose ad hominem of the Whiteysphere.

And yes, from reading the blog post and comments it is very debatable which side suffers more from a bad case. LOL

Posted by: donkeytale | Jul 22 2018 12:43 utc | 140

I had thought of the Euro twits, Germany under attack from the US would be the first to move towards the SCO alliance. France, still retaining vestiges of De Gaulle independence may make the first move. Difficult to call with pretty boy Macron.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Jul 21, 2018 11:19:11 PM | 100

I read something about the views of the German chapter of the Borg. Certain Wolfgang Ischinger wrote an Op-Ed in NYT titled "Facing Trump, Europe needs plan B". So what is wrong about Trump? That he berated Germans for Nord Stream? Nope. That he berated them for spending miserly on NATO? That's it. But wait... the fault was not that he insisted on 2% spending minimum, because the loyal subjects already promised to do it by 2024, but

"Mr. Trump was correct in saying that some members, including Germany, aren’t doing enough. He also has legitimate concerns about trade imbalances.

Still, his mischaracterization of the goal as “dues” owed to America makes it harder for European leaders to ask their voters for increased military spending. And his bullying comments led Europeans to suspect he might be more interested in leaving the alliance than in leading it."

Basically, without USA, Europeans are "like a motherless child, looong way from home", and what is most despicable about Trump that because of his tantrums the population may feel differently. A break with USA is not Plan B, it is Armagedon or Eternal Damnation, anything but that, please! Anything! OK, but what is the promised Plan B?

Before we formulate the plan, we must first get more complete definition of the problem. " Mr. Trump in effect disavowed his own intelligence community. He failed to declare Russian meddling in Western democracies unacceptable." But what to do, waterboard Trump? Close! But one has to use means that are available, so a slower method constitutes Plan B:

"Now is the time to check and balance! At the risk of “meddling”: Are there Republican senators willing to refuse to vote for any Trump appointee unless he stops denigrating his own intelligence community?"

Ischinger did not elaborate how it would be a European plan, perhaps by inviting those senators (why only Republican?) to lavishly reimbursed speaking engagements where they would lecture grateful Europeans. Venues should offer the best of European climate, history, cousine and golf... I am not an expert here. Conceptually, as it was known for generations that there exists good terrorists and bad terrorists, Borg meddling is to be applauded, unlike meddling from the Host of Darkness.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 22 2018 12:54 utc | 141

Since the name of the apartheid ersatz state has been mentioined a few times in this thread, I reckon it is smart to consider the full import of this newstory in todays (Sundays actually cos it's Monday here already) ultra zionist shitrag, the Observer.
Under the header Israel evacuates 800 White Helmets in face of Syria advance

Get this:

"Israel has evacuated more than 800 members of the volunteer Syrian civil defence forces known as the White Helmets to Jordan, with Amman claiming it had struck a deal for them to be resettled in the UK, France and Canada.

The Israeli operation was undertaken at the request of London, Paris and Ottawa, the UK’s foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, and the international development secretary, Penny Mordaunt, said in a joint statement."

I've already sent a message of to the minister of immigration here, because if it is one thing I don't wanna see in the local supermarket when I drop in to buy me coffee beans it is a mob of israel loving headchopping takfiris. I suggest others do the same.
I agree that it is tough on the Palestinians of Jordan to get stuck with thousands of reactionary, zionist-arse kissing mercenaries forever, and it may be that the shyster 'king' of Jordan has made the story up about them all having tickets onwards to yer local shopping malls in order to prevent a total meltdown by the indigenous population who're already pissed at the hordes of reactionary muslim fundies which israel and USuk have been forcing on Jordan.
It seems as if the plan is to turn Jordan into another stalag Gaza open air concentration camp. I realise that if the zionists do succeed no one will eventually regret it more than they.

It is only a matter of time before amerika's domestic strife causes amerikans to forget about the zionists, but the thought of another unwarrented, unasked-for horror-story intrusion upon the indigenous the people of the Jordan Valley, people who are generous, warm hearted well-read and peaceful to a fault (how else did the arsehole zionists steal their country from under them? The locals wanted to lend a hand to those who the suropeans had murdered and raped for centuries - but lookit what happened once the greedy ungrateful prick zionists gnawed off that hand) makes me sick.
The white helmets' war-mongering makes them ideal candidates for getting lined up and shot themselves.
I don't believe they deserve anything else - certainly not the right to get in my way when I'm zooming in and out of town trying to dodge the local drongos.
When you consider all the racist nonsense which the same types who're facilitating this deal, spewed out to prevent the innocent victims of these al Nusra scumbags from getting into western countries this deeply cynical move is truly beyond the pale.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jul 22 2018 13:29 utc | 142

@57 james | Jul 21, 2018 8:16:42 PM
:) youtube, the video has >>> english translation available, look

http://oi67.tinypic.com/28k7txx.jpg
http://oi67.tinypic.com/23limhy.jpg

Posted by: viviana | Jul 22 2018 13:33 utc | 143

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 22, 2018 8:54:52 AM | 140

.-))
Careerwise the German transatlantic faction certainly feels like a babe in the woods.

German opinion on the US has never been completely positive, never mind Trump.

So "transatlantic" politicians across party lines have had a hard time in Germany, though their networks are powerful across the media.

If something moves in Germany it will be quietly. Things to watch are what will happen to Thyssen Krupp, ie will the German government intervene, or will Bundesbank continue to transfer money to Iran.


Posted by: somebody | Jul 22 2018 13:49 utc | 144

According to some ... We can bank on Iran getting into SCO in 2018. We can bank on the West/Israel/U.S. failing to defeat/dislodge the Iranian government. We can bank on Russia not backing down an inch from its support because Iran's a bedrock member of the SCO (which it isn't yet a full-fledged member of).

Sorry, the above is wishful thinking or more generously incredibly premature thinking devoid of realpolitik. I don't buy it now (I might in 2028) and I'm sure Rohaini and Iran's religious leadership don't either. Iran is in a very bad way right now. Its economy is threadbare, its people are weakening under the long-term sanctions-related recession and austerity, and it is under a heavy threat by the Western empire's military, which appears to be led on the Iran 'front' by Binyamin Netanyahu. Whatever Netanyahu's U.S. and Israeli forces do will have to wait till after the November mid-term elections, but Net can be certain 99.9% of the U.S. establishment and its media will back him (and Trump) to the hilt.

Perhaps the plan is for Israel/U.S. to make a semi-symbolic attack on 'Iranian nuclear and related facilities' that results in 'not too many' civilian casualties, and therefore doesn't trigger a major Iranian 'close the straits' response. Trump/Netanyahu may have asked Putin to talk directly to the Iranian leadership to get some sense of the likely Iranian responses to various sorts of attacks. ... Another 'Israel' reason to keep lines of communication open with Putin instead of demonizing him.

One of the good things about the apparently permanent establishment media Trump freak out is that it delays and distracts from the softening up and preparation of American 'average guy/gal' opinion on the attack on Iran. Not that that's essential, but it's still politically smart. But nobody wants to talk or read about the 'Iran threat' when we can have so much fun and fear with 'the Donald'.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 22 2018 14:19 utc | 145

https://telesurtv.net/english/news/

Iran-Bans-US-Dollar-in-Trade-Activities-to-Beat-Sanctions

In November, when Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei met with Russian President Vladimir Putin, he had said that in order to beat U.S. sanctions, the two could dump the U.S. dollar in trade, a strategy that could "isolate the Americans."

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 22 2018 14:31 utc | 146


@ fairleft 144

by Ramin Mazaheri

Especially for those who might still fear that Iran could be invaded. Fear not.

Posted by: Avid Lurker | Jul 22 2018 14:35 utc | 147

Agreed, b.

Fired publicly as only the former reality show host can do it. I am quite sure that the Donald speaks well enough to convey to the American people his reasons for the shit cannings.

Posted by: morongobill | Jul 22 2018 14:40 utc | 148

I agree with Julian 132.

@ V | 135

Russia is consistently misunderstood in its support of Iran.
Iran/Persia is a critical piece in the ongoing BRI/SCO alignment.
Iran is so important, the U.S. crazies are trying to derail any support of Iran; ain't gonna happen! You can bank that!
Those who think Russia will betray Iran are/have drinking/drunk the koolaide and are ignorant of the M.E. machinations.
Too much history; too little time...

Actually Russia is pretty well understood, and it cares about its own interests, not Iran or anyone else. It more or less aligned with Iran currently, but make no mistake - they are not true allies as Iran is with Syria/Hezb. Russia doesnt have such true friends, just situational allies.

Its important to understand, its never completely black and white. Russia doesnt want Iran to collapse and become US puppet once more, BUT at the same time its in Russia's best interest that Iran would be weak and dependant, with limited gas/oil exports, i.e. more exports for Russia. Its just business.

Quick historic recap:

* Russia supported Hussein against Iran after 1979.
* Iran and Russia warmed up a little later on, but then Russia backstabbed Iran with four(!) rounds of UNSC sanctions.
* In 2015 when nuclear deal was negotiated, Russia was playing both sides, and at the finish line Russia was so tough on Iran that even Obama was praising Russia for such tough stance.
* When Iran faced the greatest threat of an attack by the usual suspects, Russia refused to fulfill its contract of S-300 delivery, so Iran couldnt defend itself from air attacks. Russia did it on behalf of Israel, of course. Only after situation was diffused, Russia finally delivered, too little too late.

Again, its neither "full betrayal" nor "full love", just a lot of grey shades in between, and Russia can and will make compromises at the expense of Iran or Syria, if it will in Russia's interests.

Posted by: Truth | Jul 22 2018 14:46 utc | 149


rosenstein.....rothchilds.....so who does the bankers answer to? surely these cunts need to answer to someone as well, besides the ink manufacturer for which a shet paper is pressed upon. just as the population is a fixed number at any moment in time, and moving at others, the chain must have some beginning, cant just have multiple beginnings as if it was magical.

it is suggested we need to just always assume someone's higher and higher and if so, the population should be infinite no?. a great speculation. well the population is fixed at some rate at certain times. the game needs to have a beginning if it is to be played by the newly born unaware of its rules.

what if the answer is not what you are seeking? wouldn't you simply dismiss it immediately even if it was right in your face all this time. mafia families are incredibly inept at really making tremendous money, even pablos fortune seemed to have disappeared and not passed on.

the notion that the rich are rich and they are happy contradicts their higher than normal suicide rates, even genetic defects/abnormality can be ruled out.

Posted by: jason | Jul 22 2018 14:50 utc | 150

@ b Is there a hidden agenda due to the fear of a nuclear armageddon???
@ Pft 121
I don’t rule out another major war if consensus is not possible, but that’s a last resort due to the fear of a nuclear armageddon.

The last resort has already reached. The moment I have heard Donald Trump saying,
„I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace, than to risk peace in pursuit of politics.“ (July 16, 2018 Helsinki)
I've recalled his words from about one and a half years ago:
„Look where we are now. Look where we are now.“ – President Donald J. Trump, February 16, 2017 press conference -
Both times he seems honestly concerned.
Around the first time I’ve read three articles of David Lemire, The silent scream of the neocons 03/06/2017, The surrender that is 02/13/2017 and The election that wasn’t 11/26/2016.
In the meantime I „forgot“ about them, but now I think that this is a fight between narcissists with no suicide-wish and a slight sign of reality (fear of a nuclear armageddon) and psychopaths with not the slightest trace of reality (extinction of every life on earth before winning a nuclear war).
Therefore, we can only hope that the following assessment is right: Dmitry Orlov 07/17/2018 World War III Finally Over!
„Although the West pretends to be battling Russia, that is pure fantasy. Russia’s defensive posture is such that no military strategy against it is even plannable. Russia’s military doctrine stipulates that no more wars will be fought on Russian soil: if invaded, it will immediately take the fight to the enemy using precision long-range weapons that have global reach. It also stipulates that it will respond to any existential threat using nuclear weapons if need be. And so the Pentagon, with NATO in tow, no longer even dreams of attacking Russia. That dream was alive at one point, when the US thought it possible to eliminate Russia’s nuclear deterrent capability using a nuclear first strike, but since then Russia has rearmed with weapons more advanced than anything the US has or will have any time soon, and that dream is now dead.“

Posted by: Dilara | Jul 22 2018 15:09 utc | 151

nonsense factory @112

Plenty of good sense being churned out by the nonsense factory here. If you are looking for a reality-based assessment, check it out.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 22 2018 15:32 utc | 152

I like clarity. I think posters like Ivan kind of immediately dicredit themselves when they start issuing prophecies of "this is going to happen, that is going to happen." That doesn't further my understanding at all. I think you can quickly spot confusion when edicts about the future start being dictated as fact. It would be kind of like if I wrote, "god in heaven's gonna come at the final instant." I mean, perhaps lunacy so far as the moment itself for all I can know is concerned.

Posted by: Geoff | Jul 22 2018 15:38 utc | 153

Of course all those who say look at Trump’s policies not other stuff are right. From a pearl-clutching progressive pov it is all dismaying. But, he ran as a Repub, he implements R. policies, there is more money for the MIC, etc. that’s the system. …not much change really over the last 4 pres.…

Trump is an outsider, he’s from the wrong side of the tracks, he is not affiliated, he is a boor, he takes some small risks, he is nasty — he is perceived as a major threat, to established routines, to insider dealing, to long-instituted scams, to cozy fake in-group vs. in-group apparent quarrels, aka the established positions and dirty dealings of many. US politics is extremely parochial and ‘mafia’ like - narrative clouds that have little relevance..

Ex. internal. Health care - Repubs ‘despised’ Obi-care, because argh the horror o-ba-ma; sub rosa as it affords, it is said, a little more protection to some poorish ppl. Dems love it because yay o-ba-ma, and it broke the back of ‘opt-in’ making Insurance cos., aka Mega Corps, into automatic official skimmers and gougers. Where is the difference? Two sides of the same coin.

Taxes: Trump was absolutely right to attempt a tax reform, the US had the highest business tax in the world at 35% (Japan usually in second place) of course there are exceptions and many don’t pay it - but in the situation where one accepts current arrangements ‘world’ etc. it is insane, and leads to anyone big enough to do so to out-source, externalise, and in fine you get big Cos. like Apple paying quasi-nothing using the Irish-Dutch sandwich, subsequent death of US production and even ‘biz’. (I haven’t read the bill, but don’t doubt it is horrible and no solution to anything.)

The Dems oppose cuts because taxes are needed to re-distribute and Trump will slash subsidies etc. - e.g. food stamps - the already hard-to-get minuscule stipends that keep some children alive. What difference? Dems. won’t permit small new biz, too high tax, too many regs (only gig work, and vote/work for us against discrimination, while we import illegal labor and you scrabble in the dirt) and Repubs won’t offer meals (welfare queen cheaters don’t deserve to eat, druggies to prison at square 1..) Two sides of same coin? Btw it was Bill Clinton who destroyed the slim social safety net.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-food-stamps-snap-hunger-815327

Trump is seen as much of a threat that the whole establishment has coalesced against him. For now his foreign policy, as compared to Obiman and Bush, is rather restrained and mild, imho. There is yuuge infighting going on underground, all the parties are trying to keep it hidden, they don’t know what they can put ‘out there’ to the public.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 22 2018 16:04 utc | 154

Beeb last night reported that Israel has come to an agreement with Jordan to accept 600,500 White Helmets to be taken by bus across Israeli held Golan to Jordan until they can be moved to UK, Germany, and Canada.

Canada? Trump may now have to build a wall along the entire Canadian-USA border. That will cost a pretty penny.

One link among many -- https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/world-news/2018/07/22/israel-evacuates-white-helmets-to-jordan-from-syria-border/

Jordan agreed but said all must be transferred to one or all of the 3 nations by 3 months from now.

Posted by: jawbone | Jul 22 2018 16:35 utc | 155

Strange that Israel doesn't want to make settlers out of White Helmets. It could offer them citizenship and honorary Jewish status (just like a US congress person!). Give them $10,000 each and low monthly mortgage payments. They'd be as good as any other settlers in the settlements.

Posted by: fast freddy | Jul 22 2018 17:04 utc | 156

@59 ben... i dunno anything about trumps tax info and or why he isn't releasing him.. i don't follow usa politics closely as i don't live in the usa..although if memory serves me correctly - this is an ongoing nag on politicians people wish were out of office..

@67 daniel.. it is true we are all enmeshed in msm narratives whether we want to be or not, but i think we are all different too and choosing to avoid the msm is one possible distinction that i would make on myself.. i also think of how people are like sheep and how the herd mentality is alive and well and that i might not quite fit into that too... obviously i think very highly of myself, lol... and i am probably fooling myself too, lol!

but let me cut to the quick.. i just don't think deep state, and 1% are all that nuanced.. it is a bit too black and white for me as i have said previously.. while i think these ideas are relevant, i also think it is more complex then that..

regarding the ongoing war mentality of the usa system - it is hard to stop a locomotive at full speed.. i am hopeful that trump is doing something to slow it, but maybe i am wrong.. i think it is an uphill battle and maybe i am naive in thinking he wants to slow it down..

@92 les7.. i am mildly curious why you say that about @84 carl d's post? i am not sure how much of their post was tongue in cheek..

@109 peter.. i agree russia/sco will protect iran..

@112 nonsense factory.. i always generally agree with your posts and this is another one where i do.. thanks!

@122 fairleft.. that makes sense with regard to iran - 20-30 year span for things to develop more..

@131 julian.. interesting conjecture.. thanks!

@135 virgile.. those are also interesting observations.. thanks.

@142 debs... i did the same here in canada - e mailed the gov't rep.. that is quite disgusting, but trust canada to be a part of the plan in the worst sense of the words..

@143 viviana.. thanks! i will look at it when i get a chance.. daniel ought to as well!

@153 geoff.. i agree!

@154 noirette.. thanks for that overview..

@156 fastfreddy... yeah, i was thinking something like that too... and israel could keep isis and al qaeda on the payroll for the future too..

Posted by: james | Jul 22 2018 18:14 utc | 157

TDS is a label akin to mentally deranged invented by the radical, fascist Trump base to squash free speech and dissent. PERIOD.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 18:24 utc | 158

I'm going to push on this hypocrisy until you stop ignoring it and pretending Trump is the magnanimous ruler of oz and la-la land.: Why is it that Trumpers are refusing to weigh Trump's actions vis a vis Russia in Syria and with Nato on the ground in Eastern Europe? Why is it that Trumpers are ignoring just how much he's enabling KSA's scorching of Yemen? Why is it that Trumpers are gung-ho on Trump's pretence at peace with Russia; and totally ignoring his hostile obsession with Iran and his wacko impulse to send troops into Venezuela???

Methinks the scale of good to Russia vs evil with all the above and the rest of the planet is the reality with Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 18:52 utc | 159

@158Circe. Kinda like the Russia hacked our election meme you mean? or antifa or #metoo or 'the resistance' or identity politics in any form? TDS is real just observe whoopie goldberg.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 22 2018 19:10 utc | 160

@159Circe. All excellent questions most of us here would like answered I'm sure. I would at least...
Were you this vocal about Obama?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 22 2018 19:19 utc | 161

I could add that it isn't just trumpets who are complicit in the things you suggest trumpets are is it? Where are the democrats railing against these injustices? Too blinded by TDS and the hypocrisy it enables me thinks.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 22 2018 19:24 utc | 162

I love quizzes, so I am grateful to Circe @159 who posted one.

1. [Why] Trumpers are refusing to weigh Trump's actions vis a vis Russia in Syria and with Nato on the ground in Eastern Europe?

Govern the governable. On Ukraine, the jury is still out.

2. Why is it that Trumpers are ignoring just how much he's enabling KSA's scorching of Yemen?

Weapons sold to KSA and UAE provide good jobs (and good profits if you are a Trumper in the investor class).

3. Why is it that Trumpers are gung-ho on Trump's pretence at peace with Russia; and totally ignoring his hostile obsession with Iran and his wacko impulse to send troops into Venezuela???

Control oil WHERE YOU CAN. We tried to control Russian oil, but it is a hard patch to hoe. May be later.

4. Methinks the scale of good to Russia vs evil with all the above and the rest of the planet is the reality with Trump.

Good vs evil?! This is America First, good = under American thumb where it should be, bad = not under American thumb, even if there is a potential to make it so.

============

That of course raises more questions. E.g. why to increase military spendings if we are giving up on the plan of controlling Russian oil. This is one reason why I propose "may be later" as a justification. But it may be the result of sober analysis: in the years to come, what will be American edge to be "Number one"? Science, technology, ideas, weapons... Weapons seem to be the best bet. And with enough weapons, you can awe, intimidate and collect tribute (a.k.a. protection money). Why you hate paying for healthcare, transit, education etc. -- to operate the weapons you need lower classes with proper mentality, not a bunch of sissies.

But I still have no answer why b apparently likes Trump.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 22 2018 19:52 utc | 163

@ Piotr Berman | Jul 22, 2018 3:52:42 PM | 163

„But I still have no answer why b apparently likes Trump.“
Does he? I do not see that. He tries to comment things that happen. And it is a fact that he acts less like a warrior than his opposite side. Except for Israel/KSA/UAE, where he serves the right wing Zionists to use a term quite common here. Not that this is an analysis but he was strongly supported by such people. Who pays for the music...

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 22 2018 20:52 utc | 164

...
"Mr. Trump in effect disavowed his own intelligence community. He failed to declare Russian meddling in Western democracies unacceptable."
...
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 22, 2018 8:54:52 AM | 141

Thanks for making a passing reference to the insultingly opaque and voiceless crock maintained by Western Taxpayers known as Intelligence Communities. Since Bush II launched the War Of Terror, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that there is ANY intel agency anywhere in the West which has views, policies and aims which differ from those of the CIA and Mossad.

The voice of ASIO and its echoes and avatars in Oz is never heard directly by The People. Their alleged views and opinions are always conveyed in veiled references and hushed tones by politicians with a dubious reputation for truth-telling and questionable loyalties.

For all practical purposes, the existence of Western Intelligence Agencies doesn't even qualify as an unverified rumour, except in the case of the CIA. All of these mysterious and invisible govt-funded secret societies should be required to report directly to The People or be investigated by the Police and the ones that fail the sniff test should be shut down and disbanded.

We already have reasonably transparent Police Departments with the power to investigate any and all nefarious activities. The notion that we need a parallel secret organisation is ludicrous in a make-work kind of way. Since 9/11 there has been way too much secrecy superimposed on the activities of opaque govt-funded criminal-ish organisations. If Trump decides to hound a few into oblivion, he'll do so with my blessing.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 22 2018 21:03 utc | 165

@143 viviana... i am unable to access those links and am wondering if instead of giving it via tinypic, you can share the video directly in its url? thanks for your help here..

Posted by: james | Jul 22 2018 21:13 utc | 166

But I still have no answer why b apparently likes Trump.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 22, 2018 3:52:42 PM | 163

Same reason why Putin likes Trump?

Posted by: somebody | Jul 22 2018 21:22 utc | 167

Something odd about this Israeli “rescue” of, we are now told 422 White Helmets. White Helmets have taken the Green Busses provided by Syria, under Russian protection several times in the past. Why was it important to separate them from the other terrorists this time?

Possibilities:

1. These particular White Helmets are so obviously not Syrian, not Arabic or possibly even not Muslim that their identities had to be protected from the prying camera eyes.

2. “Rebels” have always been allowed to carry only their unloaded small arms on the busses. Heavier weapons had to be left behind. Perhaps this was about moving weapons that would not past muster by Russian inspectors.

BTW: Half of the WH’s apparently decided not to take the evacuation deal. This happened with “rebel” fighters last week, too. Once the busses appeared, and the fighters were under the protection of the Russian military police, half of them decided not to flee to Idlib, but to accept the reconciliation offer, and be transferred to government-held territory.

The “Revolution” seems to be evaporating once the “revolutionaries” feel free to decide their own fates.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 22 2018 22:13 utc | 168

@161

One word: YES!

And on the most pro-Obama site at the time: Huffpo. Let's just say I'm used to cult-like attacks, and Obamabots and Trumpers are all high on the kool aid. Very challenging.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 22:19 utc | 169

@ Daniel | 168

Few more possibilities.

3. As terrorist supporters are winding down their war in Syria, they are saving their assets for the "new adventures." Not sure what will be their next target, they cant handle Iran, especially after failure in Syria.

4. Those WH had to be extracted (or buried, or both) because they have many stories to tell, like false flag chemical attacks would be of particular interest to Syria and Russia, and major embarrassment for WH sponsors.

Just had an idea: Israel extracted 827 WH, but only 422 reached Jordan. What if the remaining 405 are six feet under by now? They were deemed not too useful to save, but knew too much to let them go.

Posted by: Harry | Jul 22 2018 22:35 utc | 170

169Circe. Excellent news as Barrywas te original enabler for Yemen. I would like to see trump further exposed on the domestic front, and I don't mean Russia did it or some tryst with a bunny stuff. I would like to see stuff on the tax breaks or Medicare or jobs...... any idea where one can find this info from a mainly objective source?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 22 2018 22:49 utc | 171

@160

First of all, I love dissent and truth to power so don't pick on dissenters.

However, when it comes to WG - what can I say; the b-word is just too inadequate. Shakespeare was so wrong when he wrote: What's in a name? How can one respect a loud-mouth named "whoopie"? Pirro's no better. I happened to see the clip of those two screeching alley cats who deserve each other. Trump, Roseanne, Whoopie, Pirro...typical reality trash Americans gorge on. It's no wonder Trump is President.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 22:54 utc | 172

@171

I would like to see stuff on the tax breaks or Medicare or jobs...... any idea where one can find this info from a mainly objective source?

Not from someone who's high as a kite on Trump-juice!

How bout from Trump's favorite fan club; no not the ignorants on the wheel who put him in the WH...the minority 1% who are laughing all the way to their banks.

Posted by: Circe | Jul 22 2018 23:03 utc | 173

Great additional possibilities, Harry. Clearly, something was different this time.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 22 2018 23:11 utc | 174

Harry, Daniel.
As I understand it the evac was from Israeli occupied GH, so that almost rules out the 'reconciliation' angle for the missing WH. In my mind the first number is wrong or an exaggeration(not sure why yet) or like Harry suggests they have been dirt napped.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 23 2018 1:46 utc | 175

@168 "1. These particular White Helmets are so obviously not Syrian, not Arabic or possibly even not Muslim that their identities had to be protected from the prying camera eyes."

They were evacuated from Quneitra to Jordan via the Golan. I'm sure the SAA knows exactly who they are.

Posted by: dh | Jul 23 2018 2:07 utc | 176

The main obstacle to ending the global rule of the peadosatanist cabal of City of London Crown Corporation are the masses of brainwashed, egoistic, happy slaves of the Matrix, mistaking consuming the excrement of the "Western" "culture", showbiz, big corporations, stink tanks, propaganda, fashion, "entertainment", "education", "science" that turn them into soulless disconnected (=sinful) zombies for real, spiritual, connected, true life.

There will be no true global improvement until the masses start boycotting these sick twisted fucks:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-of-the-month-06-18/

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Jul 23 2018 11:51 utc | 177


hopehely #44 [Jackrabbit #11 [Correction @8: But that doesn't mean that US and Israel don't have strategic goals that go beyond enriching MIC.] It is kinda double negative.]
And
Jackrabbit #60 [hopehely #44 [It is kinda double negative.] Yes. And just how a native speaker would say it.]

Nope. It is not a double negative.

Neither, by the way, is it even a litotes, which though using two negative senses to express a positive, is itself not a double negative.

The sentence is simply a reported speech construction with negative in each clause.


Posted by: Plod | Jul 23 2018 23:56 utc | 178

PeacefulProsperity @177

I don’t necessarily believe the 0.01% really are devil-worshipping, paedophile blood-drinkers or whatever, but they sure do seem to go out of their way to make it look that way.

Did you see the Grand Opening Ceremony For that huge Gotthard Base Tunnel In Switzerland? I saw a minute of video on the news and thought, that’s WEIRD. So I went web surfing and watched the entire thing.

Undoubtedly some major ritualistic sh*t, and broadcast live around the world. A short hop to CERN by the way.

Part One (Inside) includes zombies, bizarre sex rituals and some baby-headed angel demon:

Part Two (outside) includes Baphomet porking a virginal maiden :

Or, if you can handle it, here’s most of the “program:”

Do you recognize the outfits on the old guys in the audience? The ones with the Admiral Nelson-like hats and ornamental staffs?

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 24 2018 3:27 utc | 179

@ Daniel | Jul 23, 2018 11:27:08 PM | 179

The first linked video is no longer availabe. What does this „event“ have to do with politics?
Does not look healthy to say the least. Look at the comments of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5gklIKcDg
, say it all. A George Bannon psy-op?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 24 2018 16:11 utc | 180

Hausmeister. I posted that in response to Plod's post. I should have tested the links first, though. Thanks for finding a valid one.

I don't know who George Bannon is. But the ceremony sure looks sick and weird to me. I believe that tunnel project was the most expensive, and longest in construction in European history.

Posted by: Daniel | Jul 24 2018 21:07 utc | 181

Plod @178: The sentence is simply a reported speech construction with negative in each clause.

Thanks for clarifying that!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 24 2018 21:28 utc | 182

@ Daniel | Jul 24, 2018 5:07:05 PM | 181

„I don't know who George Bannon is.”
Sorry, my mistake. I meant Steve Bannon. Whatever: if you look to this link this is just alt right ill, in my humble opinion. RT is also a propaganda platform. One should not forget that.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jul 25 2018 5:48 utc | 183

Hausmeister. I see, yeah Steve Bannon is a real piece of work.

I still don't get your meaning, though. Are you proposing that Bannon somehow got this bizarre, ritualistic grand opening ceremony staged? That he got it broadcast live, around the world?

And what role so you propose for "propaganda outfit" RT? That RT conned US TV networks to broadcast segments of it on their news programs? Again, I first saw clips on US news, and a quick web search shows it still available for viewing at CNN, NPR, BBC, etc.

BTW: Pretty much all large media outlets are propaganda dispensers. In my experience, RT has been less duplicitous than, say NBC or CNN. I find little genuinely false information presented on RT. Mostly, I see their bias at the stage one level of propaganda: Deciding which events to make "news" and which to suppress.

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