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May 14, 2018
Trump’s Family Applauds Zionist Massacre Of Palestinians In Gaza

U.S. President Trump's family applauds Zionist massacre of Palestinians in Gaza:


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At some settler event in the capital of Palestine Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, mentioned today's Gaza massacre in which Israeli soldiers murdered at least 52 and maimed 1,200 unarmed Palestinians. He accused them of being the guilty ones because they protest  against the Zionist theft and occupation of their land:

"As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today, those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution."

The White House omitted that sentence in its official transcript. In its daily press briefing the White House called the murder committed by the Zionist army "a propaganda attempt" by Hamas and Palestinians.

In response to today's massacre South Africa recalled its ambassador from Israel. It is so far the only country which did so. South Africa knows apartheid and colonial violence. It no longer condones it.

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How do we write this, boss?
From Aljazeera: “Turkey has recalled its ambassadors to Israel and the United States following the killing of dozens of Palestinian protesters by Israeli forces….”
The Hill: “Turkey is recalling its ambassadors to the United States and Israel following the official inauguration of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, CNN and other news outlets reported.”
Fox news: “…while violence and deadly protests erupt Gaza….”; “The Turkish government has recalled its ambassadors to the U.S. and Israel for ‘consultations,’ ….“
Times of Israel: “Turkey on Monday recalled its ambassadors to Israel and the United States in protest of the Israeli military’s deadly response to riots….”
Sputnik News:  “In response to Israel’s ongoing violent suppression of Palestinian protesters in Gaza,Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has recalled his ….”
Israel National News: “Turkey has recalled its ambassadors to Israel and the United States for consultations because of the violence in Gaza ….”

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | May 15 2018 3:00 utc | 101

Let’s add some context to this ongoing struggle:
Rocks in sling shots
VS
an Air Force, Navy, Army (of worthless coward terrorists), tank and mortar shelling, live hollow-point bullets that MAXIMIZE victim’s injuries when they enter the flesh and tumble around before exiting with a massive area of impact when compared to its entry point, “tear-gas” (one that induces bloody eyes, virulent vommiting, extreme panic due to gasping for air as a consequence, living in the world’s largest outdoor prison, and being subject to constant home raids and brutal torture, incarceration — for just the simplest infractions, non-stop physical and psychological intimidation…and most of this going on for 70+ existence of this psychopathic-led and followed (for the most part, it seems as there is little objection heard from these chosen wannabes) devotees to a lunatic cult of death-worshippers and practitioners.
Beg your pardon?….When will Israel finally pay for its genocide against humanity?!?!
Better yet when will humanity awaken from its trance to finally hold this Iraeli regime accountable for its CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY??? When will Israel be made to pay for reparations in its crimes and blatant slaughter of unarmed peoples who want their human rights respected and their properties given back?
Not anytime soon, I suspect, as the world at large is largely silent, distracted, and impervious to what is REALLY happening in this Israeli genocide!
What’s next will the disgusting IDF terrorists resort to executing babies in incubators…despicable excuse for and an excrement to humanity these “people” are!

Posted by: jsb | May 15 2018 3:19 utc | 102

@99
I have to repeat what you wrote:

Now the whole world knows and can see what Trump wanted everyone to know and see. i.e. The bloodthirsty “Israelis” are completely, utterly insane. Trump gave them enough rope to hang themselves and they almost killed each other in the scramble to be first to shove their heads in the noose.

He just handed them Jerusalem and compared himself to Truman in how momentous an act on behalf of Zionism’s advancement this is! There is no ulterior interpretation possible. And no not every opinion is valid. You rightly singled out A P’s comment regarding Hillary as being nonsense. So forgive me, but this comment was just too outrageously false to let it slide.

Posted by: Circe | May 15 2018 3:26 utc | 103

Turkey also recalled its Ambassador from Israel AND from the USA. With the indication that it is US that is enabler, and has lost every pretense of being a mediator in the conflict.
I have a feeling that something is afoot. There will be an attempt to take Gaza away from Israel, the question is only who would be actors. Gaza can be taken away from Israel, as it has borders with Israel, and no Israeli authority on the ground. Israel controls illegally its maritime border. So, if anyone wants to address the problem assymetrically, this may be the way. Then find a way to reconstruct, redevelop Gaza. But for this, Israel will have to be put in its place, and the situation not worth US ratcheting up the drumbeat of additional war.

Posted by: Bianca | May 15 2018 3:26 utc | 104

IMO, those who believe DT’s election was totally planed are right on target. As the saying goes ” elect a clown, expect a circus”. But this “circus” is great cover for pillaging the wealth of the nation, and pushing it up the pyramid to the top 1%. It’s a global plan, and it’s working.

Posted by: ben | May 15 2018 3:46 utc | 105

@103
So Israel can drop 1000 pound bomb on them when they get there? Only Israel is to blame? Trump isn’t enabling this massacre at all. Did you see the White House briefing today? Trump is blaming Hamas and those provoking the violence (they forgot to mention perpetrated by Israel as no Israelis were killed or injured. In other words, the protesters i.e. the victims drove Israel to violence. Land theft, violation of human rights and flouting international agreement on the status of Jerusalem is not the reason those protesters are there. They just want to provoke Israel to kill them and Hamas is the perfect excuse for everything. F. Trump

Posted by: Circe | May 15 2018 3:47 utc | 106

As to the dead and wounded of Gaza
“The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.”
― Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms
~~
As to the way of the world
Guernica
~~
And all of this is true and even so I do not despair. Life is bigger than all this death. Find your own way to this answer .

Posted by: Grieved | May 15 2018 3:48 utc | 107

james
I saw the video. It makes some interesting connections, much of which I already knew (Genie Energy, ISIS safe haven in Syria, etc.).
As I’ve said, I’ve found ‘puppet master’ arguments to be difficult to make. Most US Americans don’t even think US is an empire. And believe that US is always on the right side.
My disagreement is a practical one. Wake me when the principled left and the principled right make common cause. As long as the left is consumed with LBGTetc and the alt-Right is focused on Jews, they never will. When they tire of those arguments, they can always return to arguing over abortion. Few even want to consider the possibility of controlled opposition. Thus, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. We have entered a new Dark Age because we have allowed others to tell us what is important, and who we are.
The establishment, of all races and creeds, has no problem understanding what is in their best interest. It is enriching themselves at all cost. The rest of us are more concerned with bathrooms arrangements in our failing schools and watching Netflix.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 15 2018 4:00 utc | 108

Jackrabbit. That video is NOT about some “International Jewish Conspiracy.” It does show Trump’s record of becoming ever more beholden to the supra-national banksters. And all evidence comes from MSM articles/reports. I think it important in that it explains how/why the Trump Administration is carrying out not just some of the foreign but also domestic policies it does.
pessimist. When I looked into her, I found she’d done a short segment on RT once before. RT has an Israel-based, Jewish journalist (Paula Slier) and a full time Israel crew, so they should have no problem getting video. As you wrote, we’ll see.
Ian @93, I fully believed that quote for quite some time (at least in terms of national elections). But I have to ask why, if that’s true, do TPTSB go to such extremes to suppress and alter the vote? Why do they scrub voting rolls? Why do they restrict voting locations (closing them, not providing sufficient numbers of poll stations, opening late and closing early, etc)? Why do they use those computer voting machines and electronic tabulating machines to “count” paper ballots (both of which are well known to be very easy to rig)?
And I now see the narrative that “your vote doesn’t matter” as the most successful voter suppression tactic of all. Nearly half of eligible voters aren’t even registered, and only about half of them bother to vote.
Circe @97. I apologize for quoting jackrabbit’s comment misquoting you. I’d already posted that I mostly agreed with your posts on this topic, and I just don’t have the memory to keep track of who said what.

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 4:14 utc | 109

Duckduckgo->
The War Prayer by Mark Twain

Posted by: OJS | May 15 2018 4:16 utc | 110

Daniel
The video is not about an international conspiracy but it comes close. As I noted, there may well be such a conspiracy. Trump’s family and business connections make for interesting reading.
Emails that Hillary released include correspondence with the Rothschilds. Why is that not mentioned? Wikileaks has them.
Presidents are a lightening rod for criticism and many of Trump’s fans will have an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to harsh criticism that is leveled at him. It seems to me that it would be more effective to show that the election was a farce. We’ve all been had.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 15 2018 4:57 utc | 111

Jackrabbit @ 107 said: “We have entered a new Dark Age because we have allowed others to tell us what is important, and who we are.”
You just penned a monstrous truth rabbit, Bernays just shuddered in his grave…

Posted by: ben | May 15 2018 5:00 utc | 112

You can tell how bad things are when even Canadian politicians are forced to make statements concerning Israel, a country which they can’t brownose enough and take more free trips to etc than any other…
Freeland Calls on ‘All Parties’ Involved in Gaza Violence to Protect Civilians
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-israel-violence-gaza-embassy-1.4663014
“…Chrystia Freeland did not lay any blame for the deaths on either side. ‘All parties to the conflict have a responsibility to ensure civilians are protected,’she said.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 15 2018 6:04 utc | 113

So I have found a China Net reference to an upcoming meeting of the UN Security Council but they wanted Flash player and I don’t do Flash player so don’t know more
The 1st link I am providing from ChinaNet has this caption below it

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin (R, Front) and U.S. President Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka (L, Front) attend the inauguration ceremony of the new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem, on May 14, 2018. The inauguration ceremony of the new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem started on Monday afternoon, as Israeli and U.S. officials gathered in the city amidst deadly clashes in the Gaza Strip. (Xinhua/JINI)

The 2nd link I am providing from ChinaNet has this caption below it

U.S. President Donald Trump’s senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner speaks during the inauguration ceremony of the new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem, on May 14, 2018. The inauguration ceremony of the new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem started on Monday afternoon, as Israeli and U.S. officials gathered in the city amidst deadly clashes in the Gaza Strip. (Xinhua/JINI)

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 15 2018 6:15 utc | 114

I wish to also state that as compares the settler-state of Israel to the settler-state of Canada, Canada has achieved what Israel can only drool and dream of. ‘Our object is to continue until there is not a single Indian that has not been absorbed into the body politic of Canada and there is no more ‘Indian question’, that is the whole purpose of our legislation.’ – Indian Affairs Canada

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 15 2018 6:30 utc | 115

Jackrabbit

Circe’s attacks on Trump have always been over-the-top but when criticism of Zionist influence devolves into claims of his being a Rothschild puppet then he has gone too far. This is a small step from anti-jewish, ‘Protocol of Zion’ hysteria which could discredit MoA as anti-semetic.

Why not stop criticism against Israel too? That is also antisemitic? Stop this nonsense claims.

Posted by: Zanon | May 15 2018 6:32 utc | 116

there is no end to their madness or their crimes
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/05/14/top-israeli-mp-army-has-enough-bullets-for-everyone-in-gaza/
Top Israeli MP: Army Has Enough Bullets for Everyone in Gaza
Strategic Affairs Minister calls Gazans ‘Nazis,’ says deaths don’t mean anything
…..Strategic Affairs Minister Gilad Erdan repeatedly referred to the protesters killed in Gaza as “Nazis,” saying that there were no demonstrations, just “Nazi anger.” He later added that the number killed doesn’t mean anything because they’re just Nazis anyhow.
Likud MP Avi Dichter, the chair of the defense committee, went on to dismiss concerns in an interview of his own. Dichter insisted that protests in Gaza pose no danger, because “the IDF has enough bullets for anyone,” and open-fire regulations to shoot people allowing the military to deal with it….

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 15 2018 7:28 utc | 117

Jackrabbit @ 107 said: “We have entered a new Dark Age because we have allowed others to tell us what is important, and who we are.”
Along these lines I note that Zero Hedge makes absolutely no mention of the Gaza massacre. This amounts to censorship by omission.

Posted by: Perimtr | May 15 2018 8:13 utc | 118

Interesting news that the Palestinians have decided to refer the issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank to the International Criminal Court for prosecution as a war crime.
I know that the PLO has previously threatened to refer Israel to the ICC, but usually the threats have to do with allegations of unlawful killings during one of the IDF’s many, many instances of “mowing the lawn”. And, of course, in every instance the Palestinians have stepped away under US pressure.
But they really should persevere in this case, not just because the illegality of Israeli settlements is such an open-and-shut case, but also because once the court does rule that this is a war crime (and, again, no int’l court could possibly find otherwise) then the guilty persons are…. well…. every single Israeli gov’t minister from June 1967 to the present day.
Each and every one of them are complicit in this crime. From top to bottom, from mewling left to far, far right.
All of ’em, because if they were a gov’t minister then they voted to support the committing of this ongoing war crime.
I think the PLO should see this through. Lodge the complaint, and neither back down nor allow the Prosecutor to wriggle off the hook.
Coz’ the Israeli leadership past and present are damn well guilty of a war crime. Each. And. Every. One. Of. Them.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | May 15 2018 8:35 utc | 119

@Ort |May 14, 2018 4:08:14 PM|

Since Zanon’s (2) linked to Craig Murray’s site, I wonder if anyone else has been
unable to access the site.
For the past two or three days, when I click on a link or my bookmark, Murray’s home
page appears for a microsecond, then is replaced by a blank white screen that “loads”
or spins endlessly.
FWIW, I’m not getting any error messages or warnings from my anti-script or adblocking software. I know Murray’s site is periodically attacked, but I appreciate any feedback on this problem.
Thanks.

When trying to access linked C. Murray’s site, my “Yandex” browser (running on Windows XP-SP3) returned the following message:
QUOTE (Key notes higlighted in brackets and/or starred *UPPERCASE*).
=====
This site cannot provide a *SECURE CONNECTION*.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk uses an *UNSUPPORTED PROTOCOL*.
These errors may occur because you are using an *OUTDATED VERSION OF WINDOWS*.
This version [i.e. your version of Windows] does not support modern encryption methods,
without which Browser cannot guarantee that your data will be secure.
Updating your operating system is highly recommended.
Yandex will *NO LONGER RELEASE* Browser updates for Windows XP and Vista.
+——-+
|Details| … etc.
+——-+
=====
ENDQUOTE
So the problem may be [at least for Yandex] the obsolete security protocol in outdated Windows XP. Craig’s site seemingly doesn’t support it.
Just an idea.
PS: Pls excuse my French (if you can).
>).-[))
Slob-Milos-V2.0

Posted by: Slob-Milos-V2.0 | May 15 2018 8:43 utc | 120

I thought Hillary was the inhumane warmonger. Who am I supposed to believe here?

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 15 2018 9:09 utc | 121

Perimetr
zerohedge have dozens of articles on Gaza past 24 hours, not sure why you bring up them though, are they important in any way?

Posted by: Zanon | May 15 2018 9:21 utc | 122

Posted by: oldenyoung | May 14, 2018 6:24:59 PM | 54
That is the (European descent) Israeli stupid propaganda that Palestinians can be compared to Red Indians and Israel is a “settler” country like the US.
You must have built walls around you and be blind to what is going on to believe that. Or you live in the US countryside and don’t notice much of the world anyway.
Palestinians sometimes called Arab Israeli are some 50 percent of “Greater Israel” and people with the same language and culture inhabit all the countries surrounding the “settler state”. These people some Israelis pretend to colonize invented script, law, algebra, they also knew that the world was not flat. They also know how to remember history.
To try to impose a European “settler” narrative in an environment like this is an exercise in futility.
Israel has become a pet project of US billionaires and evangelicals.
Part of the new Gaza tragedy is not covered: Trump cut the funding for Gaza
Palestinians trying to storm the border are acting in desperation.
Trump will offer the Palestinians some type of deal after this. Same strategy he attempts with Iran.

Posted by: somebody | May 15 2018 9:45 utc | 123

John Gilberts 114
Its a crying shame, and we all forget so quickly. Not only Canada, but the whole of North America, Australia, and parts of Europe are the same. The plight of the North American Indians touched me from a very young age, and later, thanks largely to John Pilger, I became aware of the Australian aboriginal situation. A comment from Mauisurfer got me interested in the annexation and suppression of Hawaii and her natives. There are a hundred more examples all over the world, and the startling difference between them and the Palestinian fight for dignity is that the Palestinians have not yet been coerced into apathy, yet. The stick before the carrot, always.
What is going on now in Gaza is there for all of us to witness, lest we forget how the empires we live in came about. We have not progressed very much, spiritually, in the last few centuries. But at least now we can witness it on a screen while it happens from thousands of kilometers away. They will never be able to cover this up, like they did so expertly with the genocide of the Indians and Aborigines.
Our ancestors, Im afraid, are guilty of much more than attempting autonomy or civilizing the heathens, and today we reap the rewards by hoarding digital “wealth” at the expense of our very souls. Gone are the traditional connections with the universe; the stars are no longer Gods but burning balls of chemicals, the trees are no longer sentient beings but lumber, and the rivers are no longer mother earths arteries, but sources for Coke bottling plants.
Nietzsche was right. God is dead (or at very least dying).

Posted by: dan | May 15 2018 9:47 utc | 124

b, they won’t, after the Syrian victory against the coalition of evil , the war they wanted so badly will go home, mark these words, the countries that financed the war of aggression against the Syrians will start to fast continuos unrest. The injustice done to the Syrians was so big, that it broke all rules of decency, payback is coming from all sides, it will be a domino effect.Israel, KSA among others may not survive as they are in the next few years.

Posted by: Canthama | May 15 2018 9:51 utc | 125

Have EU said anything yet?
We also see russians once again supporting israel’s actions. They simply cant be trusted in the long run.

Posted by: Zanon | May 15 2018 10:08 utc | 126

Trump’s Family Applauds Zionist Massacre Of Palestinians In Gaza
indeed, the optics are fucking creepy as hell. dig a little and they get even creepier. in my waking dream of billowing black smoke and blood draining head shots, I christen the blond dryad, the poster girl for Levantine murder, Lady Gaza.

Posted by: john | May 15 2018 10:35 utc | 127

@Daniel, regarding the terror tunnels …
Fair enough, I do not doubt that the tunnels, on occasion have been used for military purpose to attack Israeli soldiers. Most infrastructure is dual purpose.
I do not read the Times of Israel unless I come across a link, I find it uninteresting, because it is too similar to the narrative I read read in the U.S. On FOX and in other U.S. cable news they never mention smuggling. When Peter went to Israel, I saw the Israeli soldier dress up like a Hamas terrorist to underline the narrative that this is to kill Israelis (visual images stick :-). In their insipid banners that they run on the bottom of the screen they regularly scroll out, ‘Israel has destroyed another Hamas terror tunnel in Gaza …’
Not trying to belabor the point, just stating how the average viewer would understand it since they don’t see all the caveats.
Of the Israeli publications, the ‘Jerusalem post’, ‘Times of Israel’, and ‘Haaretz’, I’d say that only Haaretz has occasional view points that are not slavishly beholden to the narrative from my brief survey.
I thought that Israel had some great liberal tradition, not being sarcastic, I’ve been looking for it. I’d love to read an ‘alt-left’ Israeli website if I could find it.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | May 15 2018 11:24 utc | 128

Posted by: Christian Chuba | May 15, 2018 7:24:30 AM | 128
Probably in Hebrew. You can count on English speaking media in countries with their own languages to be government propaganda of some sort.
That does not mean they cannot be revealing to read, it is always interesting to read what propaganda thinks it is supposed to do. It is very likely far from any truth though.
Israel at this stage has short term tactics but no long term strategy.
This here is Newsweeks assessment:

srael celebrates its 70th birthday in May with the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. Yet the country is grappling with an existential crisis—one that doesn’t involve Iranian nukes or Palestinian protests. Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves, trying to build their lives elsewhere, mostly in the United States. Many of these young Israelis are moving to big cities, and yet, even in these often expensive places, they see more opportunities to advance.
The available data is telling, analysts say. Between 2006 and 2016, more than 87,000 Israelis became U.S. citizens or legalized permanent residents, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. That’s up from 66,000 between 1995 and 2005. These figures take into account only those who took the legal route (many Israelis, analysts say, arrive on temporary tourist, student or work visas, then stay). And in addition to the Israelis now living stateside, according to the country’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption, hundreds of thousands have moved to Europe, Canada and elsewhere.

The country’s brain drain isn’t new. For years, many of its most talented scholars and researchers moved to the U.S., where the salaries are far higher and there are more jobs at top-tier universities. One report by Dan Ben-David, an economist at Tel Aviv University, found that the emigration rate of Israeli researchers was the highest in the Western world. Recently, however, the exodus has expanded to include average young people, many of whom say there’s simply no future in Israel.

Posted by: somebody | May 15 2018 12:06 utc | 129

There is a good discussion on what is going on in the Middle East militarily and strategically here.
Also read the comments section.
And finally
Saudi statement on US embassy

The Saudi Arabian government on Tuesday said it opposed the US decision to relocate its Israel embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
“The kingdom rejects the American administration’s decision to transfer its embassy to Jerusalem,” the council of ministers said in a state carried by state-run Saudi Press Agency.
“This step represents a significant prejudice against the rights of the Palestinian people which have been guaranteed by international resolutions,” it said.

So either Kushner did not have Saudi buy-in or things have become too toxic for Saudi Arabia.
And this here from oilprice.com
US sanctions threaten the Petro Dollar

Posted by: somebody | May 15 2018 12:39 utc | 130

Actually, somebody, what is happening to Israel is the same historical process as happened to the Crusaders. Initial enthusiasm, but a militarised frontier policy, and then people started drifting off. What didn’t happen to the crusaders, but is happening to Israelis, is that people (Westerners, I mean) want a peaceful life, not eternal war, and these days will wander off to look for it rather than staying to fight.

Posted by: Laguerre | May 15 2018 12:44 utc | 131

@ somebody 129
The available data is telling, analysts say. Between 2006 and 2016, more than 87,000 Israelis became U.S. citizens or legalized permanent residents
The data tells me that Israel lost one percent of its population to the US in ten years.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 15 2018 13:37 utc | 132

In this modern era, it should be very difficult to impose and maintain an expanding (religious, ethnic) apartheid state without anyone noticing. Worse, is that it has the full backing and support of the USA and most of its citizenry.

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 15 2018 14:02 utc | 133

@aaaa 133
Wait, there are still Trumptards here?
Any event, such as the current one, which upsets the “world order” which includes the US as the world hegemon, in this matter including control over Israel/Palestine, is a good thing. The alternative is continued US financial and military control of the world, which is a bad thing. Omelettes can’t be made w/o breaking eggs.
People are dying for their countries in many places, that’s how history is made, unfortunately. In this case it hopefully will include some local MENA initiatives to take some responsibility for the continuing and worsening situation in Palestine. We’ve already seen signs from Turkey and perhaps there will be more.
The US reign over Palestine has been a disaster and change is needed, and if the current sacrifices contribute to meaningful change, it’s a good thing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 15 2018 14:22 utc | 134

RE: Perimetr: Zanon | 122: zerohedge have dozens of articles on Gaza past 24 hours, not sure why you bring up them though, are they important in any way?
Zero Hedge did run an article on May 14, apologies, which was updated several times. But there has been no follow-up, no mention of the Turkish withdrawal of Ambassadors, nothing like what you find here at MoA, which, of course, is why so many people come here for analysis and informed discussion. What struck me early this morning was that ZH was running lead articles on emails and how much cash was being withheld from the markets, etc, etc, but nothing on Gaza. I had to go back several pages to find the article mentioned.
I find this important simply because it illustrates that even for an “alternative” news site (which receives a lot of traffic), there seems to be a paucity of reporting on this issue. I suppose I have become cynical to the point of suspecting practically every “news” source out there. “Trusted” sites tend to conform to the party line over time. Even better for the deep state is to create a site just compromised enough that psyop articles can be inserted or news can be subtly crafted to imperceptibly skew the consciousness of the reader in the desired direction. And again, omission is one of the most important tools of censorship.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 15 2018 15:08 utc | 135

Aspects of a Limited Hangout.
A taboo topic is discussed up to a point. Some entity can express disdain, BUT there is nothing further and certainly no call to action. Then, the topic is shelved until it may be necessary or useful to discuss it again. Again, with limited scope within a limited time frame.

Posted by: fastfreddy | May 15 2018 15:23 utc | 136

This goes back to what I was saying when Trump first announced recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel. It isn’t victory, it’s a foolish move by Netanyahu for personal gain that will undermine the whole Zionist project. Prior to all this rancor Israel was quietly ethnically cleansing Jerusalem and the West Bank and orchestrating it’s influence upon Washington to manipulate the Middle East without a soul letting the word ‘Israel’ pass their lips when discussing US wars in the Middle East. Foreign diplomats could still stay quiet about this and the media may have covered the events but never went on campaign, nor did any social media campaign ever materialise.
Now the two state solution is officially dead and foreign diplomats can’t pretend anymore and the Israel lobby and out in the spotlight crudely attempting to shove the US into a shooting war with Iran.
Say what you will about neo-con infiltration of the Trump admin, I honestly think in the end turning the heat up instead of letting the frog boil slowly might bring about the political forces to shut all this down.
It’s all out in the open and nobody can’t pretend anymore.

Posted by: Altai | May 15 2018 15:34 utc | 137

@139
True, many viewed the election of Trump as a mass revealing of Washington’s duplicitous nature, since Trump can’t do PR.
Unfortunately the tradeoff is acceleration and a major risk of war.

Posted by: aaaa | May 15 2018 15:47 utc | 138

@101 Robert Snefjella.. that is a good way to frame the msm at this point…
@102 jsb… that is a good way to frame the palestine / israel conflict too – “sling shots VS an Air Force, Navy, Army (of worthless coward terrorists), tank and mortar shelling…
and it’s such a shame as @113 john gilberts highlights – canada’s complicity in the lopsidedness of this palestine/israel conflict framing it the way most western politicians do and @124 dan notes… israel is reliving the horrid past and hoping to get a pass on it from the west.. while the politicians might give them a pass – the ordinary citizens aren’t… anyone following this can see the dramatic differences and knows who is doing the murdering here – israel..
@108 / 111 jr.. thanks for taking a look at that video dan posted much earlier in the thread..i agree we are the problem, but how do we change that? it would seem to me that connecting the dots with rothchilds involvement in trumps political place here, not to mention what you say on hillary @111 all point to how money is calling the shots politically, and how the money seems to have an israeli or jewish heritage to it.. i am sorry jackrabbit, but it is hard not to see how israel has been manipulating western societies to continue to support it’s genocidal agenda towards any alternative views here.. i think i have asked you this before – a few years ago – are you jewish? is there something in your nature where you want to overlook the connections here? you have my curiousity!!
i will say this – if it wasn’t trump and family applauding the palestinian massacre, it would be hillary.. of that, i don’t think there is any doubt.. this brings me back to the question of why western politicians – no matter what stripe – all fall in line of servitude to israel? it defies logic here.. my guess is money and getting the financial support to be elected, or re-elected plays a big part in this…

Posted by: james | May 15 2018 16:12 utc | 139

Irish trying to do the right thing by demanding the expulsion of the Zionist ambassador and recall of Irish diplomatic mission in Palestine. The key point being made is the hypocrisy of the Irish government when one compares its actions toward Russia with May’s accusations in the Skripal affair. Indeed, every government that expelled Russian diplomats in “solidarity” with May’s evidence free accusations must at least do the same in response to the Zionist’s massacre of Palestinians–for which there’s massive evidence.
Live in a nation that expelled Russian diplomats over anything? Your government’s done nothing in response to the massacre of Palestinians? Then pick up your phone, call your MP, and demand they raise hell.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 15 2018 16:14 utc | 140

@136
Not this kind of change! Trump compared himself to Truman, the 1st President to let the Zionist genie out of the bottle. There is no equivocation here; so stop spinning it. Trump is a f…king Zionist and that’s never a good thing!

Posted by: Circe | May 15 2018 16:22 utc | 141

Circe @144–
Trump is Trump, and that’s always been a bad thing. He doesn’t require any other attributes to make him a devil.
Alastair Crooke sees Trump stepping into the abyss he’s created beyond the Art of the Deal.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 15 2018 16:53 utc | 142

@ Craig Murray site replies:
Thanks for all the feedback; I didn’t mean to “hijack” the thread over what seems to be an isolated problem.
FWIW, the phenomenon of the page appearing, then immediately being replaced by a perpetually-loading whitescreen, persists on my computers; one runs on Windows 8.1, the other Windows 10, and I use the Pale Moon browser.
It finally occurred to me that the abominable Internet Explorer is installed on these machines, so I tried it (duh); Murray’s site comes up normally on Explorer, so it must be an issue with Pale Moon and/or its add-ons.
Sorry for the wild-goose chase, and thanks again to all!

Posted by: Ort | May 15 2018 17:45 utc | 143

james
The answer to your question was @89. I’m not Jewish. I grew up Catholic. I think we have previously discussed this in terms of the difficulty of breaking away from indoctrination of one’s younger years.
Once again, my objection is a practical one. And focusing on Trump alone makes it seem like it’s a smear that is motivated by partisan politics. The establishment doesn’t care if you hate Trump or why. Just that you get emotionally engaged with the process by choosing a “lesser evil”. If we are going to break free of this, we have to address the systemic issues, not just the flaws on one politician.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 15 2018 17:45 utc | 144

Is there a politician in the usa isn’t a zionist?Circe is female.

Posted by: dahoit | May 15 2018 18:10 utc | 145

@148
There are; albeit not many. Ron Paul was one; but they destroyed his Presidential run.
I would venture to say that these five are not Zionist.
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/04/congresspeople-shooting-palestinians/
I’ll have to scour around when I have time to research certain members on the right; but I’m sure there are; just can’t pick them off the top of my head. Rand Paul isn’t one of them; but his father isn’t Zionist at all.

Posted by: Circe | May 15 2018 19:17 utc | 146

We are at a time in history, where we are being asked to chose between being a hammer or a nail. A lot of people world wide are choseing the former. That’s human nature. It was the same in Hitlers time and the same now! I for one chose to be a nail, there are a lot more of us! I have a heart and soul I know what is right and what is wrong. In the sheer enormity of current event many people weaken, that’s not an option! Train your mind to search for the truth. If they don’t kill us they’l make us stronger. Focus on the big picture it’s there as clear as day Israil us uk ect are scared of the truth, use that weakness in the hammer.as nails network and join together when they try to divide us. It’s now or never I’m afraid.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 15 2018 19:23 utc | 147

I read somewhere that Kushner was the one who prodded – organised – directed – approved MBS’ purge, because he, JK, gave MBS records of conversations between certain ‘royals’ who were appalled at the transfer of power, MBS’ actions, etc.
Story made up of whole cloth, maybe, idk.
For sure, those arrested, locked up in the Hotel, shaken down for huge sums (some were tortured it is said; at least one disappeared…and where are they all now?) were palace rivals / enemies of MBS in the KSA power structure. (Which is being changed away from tradition, a big deal.)
Trump’s first trip abroad was to KSA, 20 May 2017. He then hopped to Jerusalem, 22 May. To meet the PAL authorities on 23 May, then onto Rome, 24 May, Vatican City and the Pope.
Wiki DT trips
President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner returned home Saturday from an unannounced visit to Saudi Arabia — his third trip to the country this year. – Politico on 29 Oct. 2017.
Plotting with MBS – no other explanation serves. Heh.

Posted by: Noirette | May 15 2018 19:42 utc | 148

Robert Mackey on Twitter notes: “With Monday’s massacre, Israel has now killed more than 90 Palestinians in the past six weeks for approaching the fence it placed around Gaza, surpassing the total number of East Germans shot and killed for trying to scale the Berlin Wall from 1961 to 1989.”
Wonder how many former East Germans are killing Palestinians other than Merkel.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 15 2018 20:06 utc | 149

Turkey just recalled its Zionist and Outlaw US Empire ambassadors.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 14, 2018 4:28:45 PM | 18
Well, it looks like it’s just a show for the crowd. Election time for Erdogan in June. He needs to keep his supporters together. For some reason Israel comes for help every time Erdogan is in trouble.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | May 15 2018 20:39 utc | 150

The US ‘Embassy’ (not) in (Israeli) Jerusalem has a plaque dedicated to Trump at its entrance. Ivanka Trump was happy to give a short speech at the opening ceremony.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdLjWkgX4AIs7rk.jpg
No tears were shed for the dead children in Gaza.

Posted by: Yonatan | May 15 2018 20:48 utc | 151

Christian Chuba @128. I didn’t post those stories meaning to rebut yours. I meant to add that the ONLY times the tunnels have been used for military purposes were strictly defensive. In fact, most of them are entirely inside of Gaza, and don’t even approach the border. Hence, I’m reinforcing your point that labeling them “Terror Tunnels” is duplicitous propaganda.
I do read Israeli newspapers sporadically. They are often much more direct when speaking to their mostly Israeli and/or Jewish audience than the filtered hasbara we get in Western MSM. Yes, Haaratz is their main “liberal” newspaper, so presents a slightly different perspective. Gideon Levy is perhaps their most well reasoned/reasonable writer.
Yes, Israeli military and police passing as Palestinian/Arab peoples is a long tradition. They’re officially called the “mustarabeen.” At least since the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, Jewish Zionists have used this truly “false flag” method.

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 21:34 utc | 152

Christian Chuba @128. I didn’t post those stories meaning to rebut yours. I meant to add that the only times the tunnels have been used for military purposes were strictly defensive. In fact, most of them are entirely inside of Gaza, and don’t even approach the border. Hence, I’m reinforcing your point that labeling them “Terror Tunnels” is duplicitous propaganda.
I do read Israeli newspapers sporadically. They are often much more direct when speaking to their mostly Israeli and/or Jewish audience than the filtered hasbara we get in Western MSM. Yes, Haaratz is their main “liberal” newspaper, so presents a slightly different perspective. Gideon Levy is perhaps their most well reasoned/reasonable writer.
Yes, Israeli military and police passing as Palestinian/Arab peoples is a long tradition. They’re officially called the “mustarabeen.” At least since the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, Jewish Zionists have used this truly “false flag” method.

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 22:13 utc | 153

karloffi. Thanks for that very uplifting link to the segment of Irish politicians (and citizens) calling out the hypocrisy of their FM. In fact, I don’t often enough thank you for the many excellent links you provide. I go off to read them, and often end up following a trail they suggest and either forget to thank you or the thread has grown so long and tendentious by the time I return that I fail to post my gratitude.
While my mind’s on that, much the same goes to psychohistorian, James, Jen, Noirette, OJS, somebody, fairleft, Grieved, Piotr Berman, Peter AU1, anon, debsisdead and many others whose screen names escape my ever-lessening powers of recall. None of us always agree on everything… OK, none of us ever agree on everything, and in fact I sometimes gain as much from those with whom I disagree the most. Conversely, sometimes those with whom I agree the most I don’t even reply to simply because their posts already said all I could wish.
All of this is what makes the environment Bernhard has created and nurtured one of the best websites on the net. Thanks to all.

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 22:16 utc | 154

@144 jr.. thanks man.. i apologize for asking, and i did read that and forgot! i relate to your position and think it is good and valid one.. but i also think making the connections that were made in the video from blackstone with trump and the rothchilds was good and it helpful to know about too. it might not change anything in the short run though.. i feel we are back to square one with psychohistorians focus on how to change the money system.. i don’t know how, if ever that happens.. thanks for your comments..
@150 confusedpundit.. nice to see you back with the comment on erdogan and his position on israel.. erdogan – the consummate politician..
@154 daniel.. thanks!!! back at you and all of those commentators you mention too and many more too!

Posted by: james | May 15 2018 22:27 utc | 155

From BBC:
“Among the dead on Monday were eight children under the age of 16, including a baby of eight months…”
Obviously, in addition to those “Terror Tunnels,” we now see Hamas Terrorist Toddlers!
/s

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 22:36 utc | 156

Circe, if you do dig, I’m sure you’ll find that at least Senators Warren and Feinstein are Zionists.
Feinstein’s hubby is responsible for the University of California system adopting the Zionist language on “hate speech” that has made promoting BDS or even hanging a Palestinian flag from a dorm window an offense worthy of expulsion and possible legal charges. When the Regents hesitated to adopt that shredding of the First Amendment on the very campus where the “Free Speech Movement” was born, he threatened to have his wife pass legislation cutting UC’s funding.
Oh, and yours was definitely one of those names I forgot to thank for the many excellent comments and links you provide. 😉

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 22:43 utc | 157

Mark2. Nice comment that ironically reminded me of an old Japanese saying:
“The nail that sticks up is the one that is hit with the hammer.”

Posted by: Daniel | May 15 2018 22:48 utc | 158

Daniel @154–
Thanks! Hopefully, we will never agree about everything–if that occurs, we’ll be guilty of Group Think.
Confused Pundit @150–
Erdogan’s political party voted against all other Turkish parties to annul all agreements with the Zionists. So, Erdogan’s party, perhaps, shows Erdogan’s true nature.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 15 2018 22:58 utc | 159

Sacrificed to appease the Trump gods?

Posted by: ger | May 15 2018 22:59 utc | 160

The pix of the tear gas canisters raining down from the drones reminded me of the White Phosphorus the Israelis have used on Gaza in the past. Even though they’re behind a big wall and not facing any major threat, they’re ready to shoot, kill, maim, and use chemical weapons.

Posted by: Curtis | May 15 2018 23:30 utc | 162

Ort #12
…I wonder if anyone else has been unable to access [Graig Murray’s] site.
For the past two or three days, when I click on a link or my bookmark, Murray’s home page appears for a microsecond, then is replaced by a blank white screen that “loads” or spins endlessly.
FWIW, I’m not getting any error messages or warnings from my anti-script or adblocking software. I know Murray’s site is periodically attacked, but I appreciate any feedback on this problem…

Exactly the same here. I know that many can access Craig Murray, but I am convinced there is something fishy going on. Unlike anything I’ve experienced before and I have made no changes whatever to my browser settings, AV, etc.

Posted by: Plod | May 16 2018 0:00 utc | 163

ben @161
Seriously? The byline of your first article quotes Senator Warren, “I think the boycott is wrong.” As with the boycott against Apartheid South Africa, the BDS movement is a powerful, peaceful movement. And it is clearly having the desired effect as Zionists are busy passing laws at local, state and federal levels in the US and Europe to ban the ban.
After being prodded by The Intercept’s request for comment, she issued that statement, including “the Israel Defense Forces should exercise restraint and respect the rights of Palestinians to peacefully protest.”
Tepid at best. Remember when Israel slaughtered 2,500 Palestinians in 2014? When they deliberately bombed schools and hospitals, including UN shelters?
Senator Warren blamed Palestinians for using innocent civilians as human shields, then voted to commend Israel and agreed with providing them with more bombs when they were running short.
https://popularresistance.org/sen-warren-protested-for-support-for-israeli-bombing-of-hospitals-and-schools/
I could go on, but if you’re sincere, you’ll look into her pro-Zionist record yourself.
And you don’t really mean to imply that Senator Feinstein has ever been anything except a rabid Zionist, do you? Really? I won’t even waste my time digging up her 1/2 century long record of supporting every heinous act of Israel.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 0:03 utc | 164

ben @161–
What makes a Zionist a Zionist? Total support for the Zionist State’s existence–but–that doesn’t imply total support for its government’s policies. To determine if any politico’s a Zionist and to what degree, one would need to review their voting record on all issues pertaining to the Zionist State, particularly the massive movement of taxpayer monies to support AIPAC’s bribery of same politicos.
So, yes, a Zionist could object to the policy of killing unarmed Palestinians. Unlike Haley, Trump and many others, a few actually have scruples.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 16 2018 0:11 utc | 165

usa position on this according to the press briefing today…
“The misery that is faced by people in Gaza is because of a result of Hamas. That is something that we come back to. People want to blame Israel for all of this that is going on over the past few weeks. Let’s take a look at the dire situation that people in Gaza are facing, and that is a result of Hamas’s governing. Let’s not forget that. People like to lose sight of that.”
there.. straight from the horses ass..
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/05/282138.htm
a bit more..
“QUESTION: Thank you. Hi. Yesterday the White House said that all the blame rests with Hamas, no blame on Israel whatsoever. So do you agree with that statement that Israeli soldiers that shot these people, killed 60 people, six of them are children, are not responsible whatsoever by any degree?
MS NAUERT: Israel has a right to defend itself….”
further down a matt lee question
“QUESTION: But in so many flashpoints that are sensitive around the world, regularly the U.S. Government calls for restraint on all sides. It’s such a common, simple thing to say. Why in this case is it so difficult? What would be wrong with calling for restraint on the part of Israel? ”
answer from nauert? avoidance or blame hamas, lol… she is extremely predictable..

Posted by: james | May 16 2018 0:39 utc | 166

@ 164:”And you don’t really mean to imply that Senator Feinstein has ever been anything except a rabid Zionist, do you? Really?
Actually, no, or I would have said so.

Posted by: ben | May 16 2018 0:51 utc | 167

@ Daniel & karlof1: After a bit of perusal, I stand corrected. E. Warren obviously has a huge problem with her rabid support of the state of Israel, and I’m afraid, so does B. Sanders.

Posted by: ben | May 16 2018 1:12 utc | 168

Thanks ben, for keeping an open mind and letting facts drive your opinion, rather than vice versa.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 1:41 utc | 169

@ 169: Your kind and understanding reply has provided insight into the person you are. Thank you, and have a nice day:)

Posted by: ben | May 16 2018 1:50 utc | 170

The headline makes a factually incorrect reference to a “border”, but this CBC article makes clear that the Israeli snipers were deliberately targeting medical personnel helping the wounded yesterday.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/tarek-loubani-shot-gaza-1.4663694

Posted by: jayc | May 16 2018 1:55 utc | 171

The kicker is even if you accept Israel’s unproven and convenient suggestion that the protestors were incringing upon their sovereign border, etc. there is still no excuse for using live ammunition when tear gas and other non lethal means would suffice. The clear motive of the killings was terroristic and there is no getting round that fact.

Posted by: WJ | May 16 2018 2:03 utc | 172

@171
As they would be if their motive were not security but terrorizing a population into base submission. I know it would not help matters, but I sometimes wish that somebody would supply and train the Palestinian citizens with their own sniper rifles. The injustice they suffer cries out for blood. They together with several indigenous groups in central and South America are the noblest, most outrageous and hardened people on the planet today.

Posted by: WJ | May 16 2018 2:14 utc | 173

I just finished watching yesterday’s The Real News’ 3-part interview with one of the bravest, most well-learned anti-Zionists I know. Please take 15 minutes to watch at least the middle portion.
Norman Finkelstein: Where’s the Solidarity for Gaza? (2/3)

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 3:04 utc | 174

I just learned that the 8-month old baby who was killed yesterday died from “tear gas” inhalation.
A reminder that “tear gas” is a chemical weapon banned for use in war. Also, Israel developed a new strain of “tear gas” that they actually market as “more lethal.”
So, the cowardly Zionist militants are gassing babies to death.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 3:18 utc | 175

reply to 118
re no reports re Israel on zerohedge.
there is this one:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-15/caitlin-johnstone-15-thoughts-about-israel
There may be other articles as I just did a quick search; I was pretty sure I did read about it on their site.

Posted by: frances | May 16 2018 3:52 utc | 176

re trouble access C Murray
Posted by: Slob-Milos-V2.0 | May 15, 2018 4:43:28 AM | 120
I have no trouble, I use FireFox and Duck, Duck, Go, Go. You may want to try them, good luck!

Posted by: frances | May 16 2018 3:54 utc | 177

WOW!!! CBS actually allows a Palestinian Rights Lawyer tell”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=539&v=FlfFuCaqeCY”>tell the truth for 8 minutes!

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 4:53 utc | 178

@157
I don’t have to dig I know Warren and Feinstein are Zionists. I can’t stand either of them. Warren is a hypocrite and a coward in her feeble support for Palestinians.

Posted by: Circe | May 16 2018 5:13 utc | 179

The zionist state will continue as usual until the US has been brought down. There are plenty of crappy little cults about, Israel only gets away with what its doing due to the open ended support of US.
Until the world turns away from five-eyes and starts looking to China and Russia not much will change.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | May 16 2018 5:40 utc | 180

Trump is being backed into a corner and needs a war to distract and give cause to rally around the leader. But a war needs a provocation, and recent events are certainly provocative enough to lead to an incident that Trump can point to and say “Since 5.45 we have been returning fire!”
But Hillary would have been worse, right?

Posted by: ralphieboy | May 16 2018 8:18 utc | 181

180
Hillary would have continued the anti-Russian destabilization policy relying on the CIA and not so much the military that coordinates with Russia.
She would have remained in the Iran deal and would not have caused this rift with Europe. She also would not have shifted the US embassy to Jerusalem and continued the fictitious two state policy.
Neither she nor Trump would have been able to change the power shift caused by tactically superiour Russian weapon systems tested in Syria. And the fact that the poor are desperate enough to physically fight but not the rich.
Saudi just bought the S400 weapons system and guess what is happening now

Elephants in the Room
Trump Is Right to Target Saudi-Russian Collusion
Moscow and Riyadh are conspiring to rig global oil markets against the United States.

Renegotiating the Iran Deal in this context is stupid same as starting a trade war with China.
Hillary’s people would have known that. They would have had no solution though either.
Her government would have been about personal enrichment same as Trump.

Posted by: somebody | May 16 2018 10:16 utc | 182

More on the Russian-Saudi oil agreement – the view from Saudi Arabia.

Russia is pursuing a policy of geopolitical diversification and will try to stay engaged with all countries in the Middle-East and avoid taking sides. According to Weafer, Moscow sees itself as something of an honest broker in the Middle-East, i.e. a role which means it has access to all governments and thus can act as a go-between and peace-maker.
“It means that while Putin can travel to Riyadh and Tehran he can try to resolve differences, bring both sides a little closer and, importantly, try to negotiate a reduction in military tensions. This is why, in recent years, Putin has engaged with all leaders in the Middle East and North Africa, almost without exception,” he concluded.
Finally, Kumar believes that geopolitics in the Middle East and implementation of the proposed Saudi-Russia partnership in the energy sector, especially in areas such as LNG, will also impact prospects for the two countries working together in managing the oil market in the longer term.

Posted by: somebody | May 16 2018 12:01 utc | 183

” Retaliate to de-escalate’ seems to be the language the US and Israel understand.
The time seems to be ripe for this to extend into improving the situation in Gaza.
The Golan
“” In turn, while it is unlikely that any of Israel’s three opponents (Syria, Iran, or Hezbollah) will choose to pick a fight with the Israelis right now, it’s also clear that all of them will retaliate if provoked. In the past seven years, the Middle East has never been so close to war as it is today, which is why there’s an urgent need for cooler heads to prevail—even if, as with Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah—they need to retaliate in order to de-escalate conflict and establish deterrence.””

Posted by: financial matters | May 16 2018 14:55 utc | 184

ben @170. Now I owe you another thanks. I only hope I can be as gracious and forthright the next time I’m presented evidence that disproves something I’ve written.
Peace and Love

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 15:01 utc | 185

somebody @182. Of course we cannot know how an alternative future would have played out…. unless we can find a certain 1982 Delorean.
But HRC did everything in her considerable power as Secretary of State to prevent the US from signing the P5+1 Iran nuclear deal. During the 2016 campaign, she also promised to work with Israel to determine when they could claim Iran broke the deal. And that when Iran was so judged, she called for a military response. Of course, Israel is not a signatory to that deal, so should have no input in how it’s implemented.
She actually threatened to “obliterate” Iran numerous times over the years. Even cackling about it one time when former Secretary of State James Baker asked when US would go to war with Iran.
And besides our being trapped in this one time line, making this all speculation, as I note frequently, I don’t think any US President is really “the decider” on any important government policy.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 15:26 utc | 186

WapPo’s Dana Milbank: The Trump Administration’s Orwellian Israel Messaging

“Moving the U.S. embassy,” Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan declared, is “a step toward advancing peace.”
President Trump himself, in a video message, pledged his commitment to a “lasting peace agreement.”
His son-in-law, Jared Kushner, said “peace is within reach.”
And Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared it “a great day for peace.”
Because nothing says “peace” like 58 Palestinians killed, 2,700 wounded, renewed hostilities between Iran and Israel, the entire region aflame and U.S. allies reeling.

More info in the article with good video as well.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | May 16 2018 15:52 utc | 187

“Norman Finkelstein on Israel’s ‘Murderous Assault on Nonviolent Protesters’ in Gaza”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49428.htm

Posted by: imo | May 16 2018 16:06 utc | 188

>> // sidebar:
Elizabeth Warren was a house flipper, profiting from the very bankster corruption she denounced.
national review
She also used the sham of claiming ‘minority status’ in this case Native American to profit and rise. Exactly what she did and advantages afforded idk, long story, google will provide amply on the relevant search terms. One article sums up mildly:
boston globe
Her speeches and analysis of the middle class etc. are political prop. not analytical. Imho – Rubbish.
And she is…a Democrat Hopeful? Aiiiieeee.

Posted by: Noirette | May 16 2018 17:09 utc | 189

daniel @ 186
Hitlery stated her immediate foreign policy goal, “if elected”, was to force a US no-fly zone in Syria…this would have been a direct assault on Russian Air Force, and she has always been a principle instigator of “russia did it!!” she had policies, just not any better for us, in the long run…or short term for that manner,,,she may have better table manners than Donny Boi, but…
regards
OY

Posted by: oldenyoung | May 16 2018 17:59 utc | 190

Great thread by Ollie Richardson on Russia/Syria/Israel/Ukraine (it’s pinned right now) Follow the side threads to get the full picture.
https://twitter.com/O_Rich_
Some intriguing quotes:
1. Always remember that the US/Israel was deterred by a SAA S-200 launch. This means that the US can be tamed in Syria using old 1967 technology. It’s missiles (on a F-18) couldn’t even down a SAA Su-22 from 1970. Obviously Operation Paperclip has expired.
2.As someone on Facebook correctly said in response to what Kosachev said – “if diplomacy was so easy, everybody would be doing it”. And here is the thing – not everybody is doing it. Not everybody is willing to be responsible for the future of millions of people.
3. Yes, it sounds crazy, right? How can Russia appease both Iran & Israel at the same time? Well that’s the reality, & that’s why Putin is such a remarkable politician & diplomat. If there is a choice between pushing for peace and pushing for more war, why pursue the latter?

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 22:30 utc | 191

SHARMINE NARWANI’S excellent take on the Syria/Israel scirmish last week.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 22:32 utc | 192

OY @190. Quite Right!
That caused a special hearing in Congress in which Senator “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb… Bomb, Bomb Iran” McCain drilled Joint Chiefs Chair, General Dunford because he didn’t like the good General saying that enacting Killary’s “no fly zone” would be a declaration of war against Syria and Russia. He then said that decision was above his pay grade or some such.
BTW: That’s one of the bits of evidence floating in the ether that makes me wonder if (s)electing Drumpf wasn’t the preferred choice of TPTSB from the start.
It helped make HRC look (to me at least) like the most dangerous Presidential Candidate of my lifetime, while The Donald Trump® came off as at least possibly less inclined to escalate the war against Syria and anxious to patch things up with Russia.

Posted by: Daniel | May 16 2018 22:45 utc | 193

daniel…
yah the Trumpty vs Hitlery presidential race looks more and more like theatre for our benefit…greed, lies and arrogance are pretty thick on both sides of the aisle..
regards
OY

Posted by: oldenyoung | May 17 2018 0:18 utc | 194

thanks for the various links everyone… informative.

Posted by: james | May 17 2018 0:33 utc | 195

@175
“I just learned that the 8-month old baby who was killed yesterday died from “tear gas” inhalation.”
Why was an 8-month old doing there to begin with. Argue all you want about what each side was obliged to do, it was still clear that this protest was potentially dangerous. Why would anyone bring an 8-month-old to the protest, then?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 17 2018 1:19 utc | 196

@196 inkan1969… why was it so potentially dangerous? because the palestinians are dealing with nazis that shoot or gas people for protesting at a border??
of course people could just stay at home and roll over for the rest of their lives… i admire the palestinians who persevere in spite of the atrocities modern day israel is committing to.. funny how israel has become what they were running away from… why is that?

Posted by: james | May 17 2018 1:25 utc | 197

@196. Why were those Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto? What were the parents of those children who were rounded up and shipped off to the camps thinking?
Why aren’t you ashamed of yourself for even thinking of blaming the victims of racial supremacist murderers?
Did you know that 97% of the water in Gaza is poisoned? Did you know that Israel literally counts the calories of foods it permits the people of Gaza to have such that they keep them just on the verge of starvation? Did you know that young adult unemployment is about 80%?
Those impressive indigenous Palestinians are proud and brave enough to face their oppressors and demand their legal right to return to their homelands and to live with the dignity that all humans should enjoy. And they are tied enough to themselves as a historic people that they teach this hope and courage to their young.
Considering that the Israeli Offensive Forces are using drones to drop their poison gas far beyond even the reach of their high powered poison gas canister launching weapons, I have no reason to assume that innocent little Laila’s parents thought they were in danger of being murdered.
And since video and eye witness testimony shows these fascistic, cowardly thugs of “the most moral army in the world” launch their weapons even at times of quiet and into completely peaceful groups, I have no reason to believe that even the Israeli courts would have judged them “legitimate targets.”
Above in this thread you can find links to an interview with Norman Finkelstein (both of whose parents are “Holocaust Survivors”). He explains how Gandhi’s non-violent resistance works. It requires a willingness to suffer and even die (and may even require it).
But, it only works when people who have the power to end the oppression are morally outraged enough by the suffering and deaths to take action.

Posted by: Daniel | May 17 2018 3:33 utc | 198

NEWS IN BRIEF
“IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child”

Posted by: Daniel | May 17 2018 3:48 utc | 199

Jeremy Corbyn, badass:

Today’s killing of dozens of unarmed protesters and the wounding of many more by Israeli forces in Gaza is an outrage that demands not just international condemnation, but action to hold those responsible to account.
This slaughter follows weeks of killings of Palestinian civilians demonstrating for their right to return, most of whom are refugees or the families of refugees. Coming on the day President Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, it underlines the threat to peace posed by the continuing and intolerable injustices faced by the Palestinian people.
The response from many western governments to this flagrant illegality, including our own – which bears a particular responsibility for a peaceful and just resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict – has been wholly inadequate. They should take a lead from Israeli peace and justice campaigners: to demand an end to the multiple abuses of human and political rights Palestinians face on a daily basis, the 11-year siege of Gaza, the continuing 50-year occupation of Palestinian territory and the ongoing expansion of illegal settlements.
We cannot turn a blind eye to such wanton disregard for international law. That is why Labour is committed to reviewing UK arms sales to Israel while these violations continue.
The international community must at last put its collective authority and weight behind achieving a lasting settlement that delivers peace, justice and security for both Israelis and Palestinians, who have waited so long to achieve their rights.

Posted by: fairleft | May 17 2018 11:22 utc | 200