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May 4, 2018
Media Use Disinformation To Accuse Russia Of Spreading Such

The Grauniad is slipping deeper into the disinformation business: Revealed: UK’s push to strengthen anti-Russia alliance is the headline of a page one piece which reveals exactly nothing. There is no secret lifted and no one was discomforted by a questioning journalist. 

Like other such pieces it uses disinformation to accuse Russia of spreading such.

The main 'revelation' is stenographed from a British government official. Some quotes from the usual anti-Russian propagandists were added. Dubious or false 'western' government claims are held up as truth. That Russia does not endorse them is proof for Russian mischievousness and its 'disinformation'.

The opener:

The UK will use a series of international summits this year to call for a comprehensive strategy to combat Russian disinformation and urge a rethink over traditional diplomatic dialogue with Moscow, following the Kremlin’s aggressive campaign of denials over the use of chemical weapons in the UK and Syria.

“The foreign secretary regards Russia’s response to Douma and Salisbury as a turning point and thinks there is international support to do more,” a Whitehall official said. “The areas the UK are most likely to pursue are countering Russian disinformation and finding a mechanism to enforce accountability for the use of chemical weapons.”

There is a mechanism to enforce accountability for the use of chemical weapons. It is the Chemical Weapon Convention and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). It was the British government which at first rejected the use of these instruments during the Skripal incident:

Early involvement of the OPCW, as demanded by Russia, was resisted by the British government. Only on March 14, ten days after the incident happened and two days after Prime Minister Theresa may had made accusations against Russia, did the British government invite the OPCW. Only on March 19, 15 days after the incident happen did the OPCW technical team arrive and took blood samples.

Now back to the Guardian disinformation:

In making its case to foreign ministries, the UK is arguing that Russian denials over Salisbury and Douma reveal a state uninterested in cooperating to reach a common understanding of the truth, but instead using both episodes to try systematically to divide western electorates and sow doubt.

A 'common understanding of the truth' is an interesting term. What is the truth? Whatever the British government claims? It accused Russia of the Skripal incident a mere eight days after it happened. Now, two month later, it admits that it does not know who poisoned the Skripals:

Police and intelligence agencies have failed so far to identify the individual or individuals who carried out the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, the UK’s national security adviser has disclosed.

Do the Brits know where the alleged Novichok poison came from? Unless they produced it themselves they likely have no idea. The Czech Republic just admitted that it made small doses of a Novichok nerve agent for testing purposes. Others did too.

Back to the Guardian:

British politicians are not alone in claiming Russia’s record of mendacity is not a personal trait of Putin’s, but a government-wide strategy that makes traditional diplomacy ineffective.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, famously came off one lengthy phone call with Putin – she had more than 40 in a year – to say he lived in a different world.

No, Merkel never said that. An Obama administration flunky planted that in the New York Times:

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said. “In another world,” she said.

When that claim was made in March 2014 we were immediately suspicious of it:

This does not sound like typically Merkel but rather strange for her. I doubt that she said that the way the "people briefed on the call" told it to the Times stenographer. It is rather an attempt to discredit Merkel and to make it more difficult for her to find a solution with Russia outside of U.S. control.

A day later the German government denied (ger) that Merkel ever said such (my translation):

The chancellery is unhappy about the report in the New York Times. Merkel by no means meant to express that Putin behaved irrational. In fact she told Obama that Putin has a different perspective about the Crimea [than Obama has].

A McClatchy journalist investigated further and came to the same conclusion as I did. The 'leak' to the New York Times was disinformation.

That disinformation, spread by the Obama administration but immediately exposed as false, is now held up as proof by Patrick Wintour, the Diplomatic editor of the Guardian, that Russia uses disinformation and that Putin is a naughty man.

The British Defense Minister Gavin Williamson wants journalists to enter the UK reserve forces to help with the creation of propaganda:

He said army recruitment should be about “looking to different people who maybe think, as a journalist: ‘What are my skills in terms of how are they relevant to the armed forces?’

Patrick Wintour seems to be a qualified candidate.

Or maybe he should join the NATO for Information Warfare the Atlantic Council wants to create to further disinform about those damned Russkies:

What we need now is a cross-border defense alliance against disinformation — call it Communications NATO. Such an alliance is, in fact, nearly as important as its military counterpart.

Like the Guardian piece above writer of the NATO propaganda lobby Atlantic Council makes claims of Russian disinformation that do not hold up to the slightest test:

By pinning the Novichok nerve agent on Sweden or the Czech Republic, or blaming the UK for the nerve gas attack in Syria, the Kremlin sows confusion among our populations and makes us lose trust in our institutions.

Russia has not pinned the Novichok to Sweden or the Czech Republic. It said, correctly, that several countries produced Novichok. Russia did not blame the UK for the 'nerve gas attack' in Syria. Russia says that there was no gas attack in Douma.

The claims of Russian disinformation these authors make to not hold up to scrutiny. Meanwhile their pieces themselves are full of lies, distortions and yes, disinformation.

The bigger aim behind all these activities, demanding a myriad of new organizations to propagandize against Russia, is to introduce a strict control over information within 'western' societies.

Anything that may not confirm to the 'truth' as prescribed from above must be overwhelmed with an onslaught of more lies or, if that does not work, be discredited as 'enemy' disinformation.

That scheme will be used against anyone who deviates from the ordered norm. You dislike that pipeline in your backyard? You must be falling for Russian trolls or maybe you yourself are an agent of a foreign power. Social Security? The Russians like that. It is a disinformation thing. You better forget about it.

Comments

Orwellian.
I got kicked off Twitter recently for being a (presumably Russian?) bot, supposedly. That says to me that elimination of viewpoints from public discussion that vary from what the establishment condones is ‘granular’ now.

Posted by: paul | May 5 2018 11:31 utc | 101

Seems progressively each passing day like the Middle ages: anyone who refuses to fit into the doctrinal line is a heretic. Within a few years of such, the overall multitude of the native anglophone world – over 450 million
sheep … – will share and propagate the same faith and docility.
And will be up to us to resist and trim down their softpower.

Posted by: augusto | May 5 2018 12:26 utc | 102

Posted by: Don Bacon | 82
The period for the studies is 1999 – 2016. Russia was growing faster than the West until sanctions were introduced (for the period 1999 – 2013). So this total period will show some faster growth than the West.
But Russia is growing slower than the West for the period 2014 – 2018, when sanctions were introduced, and the estimates are for slower growth for the next 5-6 years as well.
See this and look at GDP growth rates for 1999 – 2017, 2014 – 2018 (sanctions period) and estimates for 2018 – 2023 (sanctions period)
http://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD
Compare 2014 – 2023 for each country of interest. For this period (sanction period), you will find that Russia is/will be growing slower than most western countries.
You will notice that the sanctions did their job and Russia is now one of the slowest growing economies in the world, and since 2014, is in decline even compared to the West (having slower growth rates leading to lower share of world gdp).

Posted by: T | May 5 2018 12:33 utc | 103

Many articles in the more reliable media these days when they mention ISIS or any of the other terrorist groups have a footnote: “* Banned in the Russian Federation as a terrorist organisation by court order” – it is high time the Russian courts ban the White Helmets as a terrorist organisation, and regularly push that fact home. There should be more than enough evidence by now from headchopper videos staring jihadis who also star in White Helmet videos (such as the murderers of that 10 year old Palestinian boy).
Every article mentioning the White Helmets should be carrying that essential footnote: “* Banned in the Russian Federation as a terrorist organisation by court order”

Posted by: BM | May 5 2018 13:40 utc | 104

@T 101
Russia got mainly hit recently by lower oil prices but that’s changed with oil prices up 50% in the past year, thanks in part to Trump’s attacks on Iran plus a new Saudi policy. That will turn Russia’s economy around.
The important impact of sanctions Iran and Russia is on Europe, not those two countries. The US has a policy of keeping Europe weak and subservient to the US by sanctions on Europe (with sanctions acting on both buyer and seller, they don’t mention that) and by insisting that Europe spend more money on US military gear to counter the “dangerous” Russian bear.
from a CRS report, Feb 2017:

Russia faced a number of economic challenges in 2014 and 2015, including capital flight, rapid depreciation of the ruble, exclusion from international capital markets, inflation, and domestic budgetary pressures. Growth slowed to 0.7% in 2014 before contracting sharply by 3.7% in 2015.The extent to which U.S. and EU sanctions drove the downturn is difficult to disentangle from the impact of a dramatic drop in the price of oil, a major source of export revenue for the Russian government, or economic policy decisions by the Russian government. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 13:40 utc | 105

In a way it is completely pointless to put a spotlight on “British press” anymore. Teh semblance of of 2018 “British press” is more like Volkischer Beobachter or a watered down Der Stürmer. I do remember “Pravda” during the cold war and there is a semblance there too.
Democracy and Free Press does not excist anymore in USUK (funny that name, it reads You suck, which they do)unfortunately the larger part of the public have become completely political ignorant, of course because of the shit they are spoon fed by biased media.
We on the continent have a nasty habit of taking up arms and revolting if we feel powerless, USUK does not have that gene, they are utterly brainwashed by Israels interests, which is to have a large supply of useful idiots. The Zio’s played that one well, I personally could not care if Israel evaporated in a flash. Especially yanutty.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | May 5 2018 13:42 utc | 106

Posted by: T | May 5, 2018 8:33:08 AM | 101
None of that info changes the fact that sanctions are temporary and harm the economic prospects of the ((post sub-Prime)) West to an ‘unwise’ degree. Meanwhile Russia steers a course based on the realities strewn in its path whilst the West steers a course littered with its own bullshit. I’d like to hear someone try to make the West’s approach sound like a good idea.
Would you care to give it a whirl?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 5 2018 13:44 utc | 107

– @B: “Grauniad” ? Shouldn’t that be “Gardian” ?

Posted by: Willy2 | May 5 2018 14:11 utc | 108

@ 104
The decline of the British press is mirrored in the US, with the best (worst) example CNN which used to be an excellent source for world news but is now down at the National Enquirer level — “Hottest Celebrity Gossip & Entertainment News” with a continuous daily focus (web and TV) on the latest Trump gossip and politics, politics, politics on other sources also.
So some bloggers complain that citizens are ignorant? It’s not their fault.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 14:13 utc | 109

@ 106 “Grauniad”
I thought it was clever, once I figured it out, Guardian inside-out.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 14:15 utc | 110

So much for freedom of the press unless you include the freedom to be manipulated so that relatively small groups can sway the govt and popular opinion. A PBS show on WWI showed that American interest in entering WWI in Europe was small until the (US Govt) Committee on Public Information propagandized Americans into support. The key is to get that support and if not get citizen acquiescence/apathy.
b’s point about the agenda being used to attack opposition to any of their schemes is like that during Team Bush after 9/11. If you didn’t support their schemes, you were with the terrorists.
Our press is definitely biased, partial, and corrupted.

Posted by: Curtis | May 5 2018 14:16 utc | 111

re: sanctions
Sanctions on Iran and Russia have been a sort of tough-love. When you can’t import cheese any longer it creates a domestic cheese industry etc. The US is now considering sanctioning itself, with higher tariffs to encourage domestic industry!

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 14:20 utc | 112

T | May 5, 2018 8:33:08 AM | 101
I have to question if you actually know what you’re talking about.
Of the leading economies Russia has the lowest debt to GDP at 12.6%.
It’s cash reserves are just over $500 billion dollars and it now has about 2,000 tons of gold reserves as well.
A country’s GDP, in and of itself, is not a measure of a nation’s financial health.
Ms Elvira Nabiullina, Governor of the Bank of Russia, has knocked the Russian inflation rate from 12% to below 4%; the lowest since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
You best quit regurgitating garbage from the CCM, no?

Posted by: V | May 5 2018 14:24 utc | 113

this just in….
Navy Reestablishes U.S. 2nd Fleet to Face Russian Threat; Plan Calls for 250 Person Command in Norfolk

Faced with a more active Russian fleet and increasing military competition across the world, the Navy has elected to reestablish U.S. 2nd Fleet to manage assets closer to the homeland. “Our national defense strategy makes clear that we’re back in an era of great power competition as the security environment continues to grow more challenging and complex,” Richardson said Friday during the Fleet Forces change of command ceremony in Norfolk. . .“That’s why today, we’re standing up 2nd Fleet to address these changes, particularly in the North Atlantic.” . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 14:28 utc | 114

Bacon @82
Thanks for that. “Effectiveness” of government in using national resources is very much to the point. Would be interesting to know how that is measured.

Posted by: Castellio | May 5 2018 14:29 utc | 115

‘Grauniad’ was the term for the Guardian popularised by the allegedly satirical magazine Private Eye in the 1960s.
Incidentally ‘Tory’ is universally used to refer to the ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’ it is derived from toraidhe which is from the Irish Gaelic language meaning outlaw and thief.

Posted by: Tony M | May 5 2018 14:38 utc | 116

Don Bacon @ 108
Thanks for letting me now how Grauniad works. I’ve been puzzled about this for years. Of course its only inside out after the initial capital G.
b., thanks for your hard, incisive work. Without it I’d know much less about the idiotic world we’re living in.

Posted by: Quentin | May 5 2018 14:39 utc | 117

The CBS article on OPCW-Douma has an interesting 3:21 min video with it. A CBS network correspondent (as opposed to an “activist journalist” went to Douma to repeat the official story from one “eyewitness,” show the shell on the roof, push the idea of an altered site, but then admits that witness testimony “can be confusing and contradictory.” One witness said that rebels would not let them leave the area.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-syria-opcw-staged-videos-witnesses-chemical-weapons-douma-france-uk/
But this is good news:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-freezes-funding-for-syrias-white-helmets/

Posted by: Curtis | May 5 2018 14:56 utc | 118

T
your nifty business-friendly economic data supplied by the IMF resounds like some kind of post Milton Friedman wet dream.
i couldn’t help but notice the small grey shape of Syria for which no data is available…but was thinking that despite the immense hardships those folks are enduring, some kind of economy is indeed humming along. in all likelihood, and as all economies should, with frugality and thrifty management.

Posted by: john | May 5 2018 15:03 utc | 119

@115 re: Grauniad
The first letter rules (in this case) even when the last letter isn’t there.
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 5 2018 15:06 utc | 120

Great stuff b as usual and much appreciated.
In a hostile environment I did put forward my theme of the day, looking back to the year 1999 when Vladimir Putin came forward to replace Boris Yeltsin.
The Coronation of Mystery Man Vladimir Putin – 2000
Terror attacks from Islamists were called by the West an independence movement of freedom fighters. At least early on the articles gave a realistic view of President Vladimir Putin until the NATO coordinated color revolutions for regime change. Propaganda and fake news became usance and te outright LIES by politicians “backed-up” by dodgy intelligence dossiers. How many innocents have to die and how many millions fleeing from their homestead?
In the old msm there was a reasonable journalistic etiquette and effort to inform the readers / people of the United States. With the neocon wet dream of the War on Terror there was a catalytic shift for the worst. Journalist became targets during warfare unless one was embedded with the troops. Lessons from Vietnam were not forgotten … criticism by a buddy or journalist was dealt with in the most extreme manner. The Vietnam protests in the Democratic cities were put down heavy handedly … Chicago during the Democratic (!) Convention.

Posted by: Oui | May 5 2018 15:06 utc | 121

Don Bacon,
Great comment. Any idea whether there’s been research on whether AI can be trained to replicate this kind of processing?

Posted by: WJ | May 5 2018 15:41 utc | 122

re ‘Grauniad”
This misnomer doesn’t have any great significance. Back in the day the paper used to be very slack on their proofreading and frequently misspelt words as a consequence. As mentioned above, the satirical magazine “Private Eye” ran with this by misspelling their name, and it has just stuck.

Posted by: Ross | May 5 2018 15:56 utc | 123

Don Bacon,
Great comment. Any idea whether there’s been research on whether AI can be trained to replicate this kind of processing?
Posted by: WJ | May 5, 2018 11:41:54 AM | 120

AI can already read and spell-check text. The only remaining obstacle is the absence of a reliable English Language grammar-checker. It’s debatable whether the first worthwhile grammar-checker will be aimed at English when almost every other language is more logical and consistent than the exceptionally dog’s breakfast-ish language known as English.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 5 2018 16:45 utc | 124

@98 ghostship… that is a reasonable thought on why the uk continues to support the white helmet jihadis… it is really bad bang for the buck at this point in time, but if it can help deep 6 the uk bullshit, i am all for it..
@102 bm… good idea!
@104 Den Lille Abe USUK.. you suck… hey – that’s good!!
@110 don bacon.. in many ways these us financial sanctions have backfired, especially with regard to russia.. i think this is why the us keeps on trying to go deeper into them, thus the threat on the aluminum and etc. etc..the us justifies it all under the magnitsky act, which is really a creation propaganda largely thanks bill browder and friends who were kicked out of russia, tail between legs..
@111 v.. thanks for that.. this whole gdp economic indicator bs is another byproduct of the crazy assed financial ponzi scheme that many continue to buy into.. if some want to put their faith in economists, i guess that is their choice.. i am not into it myself..

Posted by: james | May 5 2018 16:49 utc | 125

Posted by: V | May 5, 2018 10:24:01 AM | 111
Financial health is not exactly the same as economic power. For example you can have a country that is both financially healthy (low debt, some gold reserve, low inflation) and very poor at the same time, with low levels of gdp growth, and both small per capita gdp and small total gdp, in other words such a country would be insignificant, low tech, and with very low influence in the world economy, not to mention vulnerable to bigger economies, sanctions and speculators.
Low growth rates in the long run are also not a sign of a healthy economy, in the sense that such a country will be ultimately outcompeted by other faster growing countries, will become poorer compared to other countries, will lose technological edge compared to others, will be more vulnerable to sanctions and speculators, and with much lower influence in the world affairs. Lots of specialists will leave for richer countries as well – the country will suffer a brain drain.
As far as inflation is concerned, it is still higher in Russia than in the US or the EU.
Now, even when you compare Russia to developing countries, who are the countries (generally) with low debt levels, there is massive difference in growth rates. Russia grows 1,5 % per year and developing countries grow by 5 % per year. This is a massive difference and will lead to serious consequences for Russia’s position in world affairs in the long run. We can expect an increase in the influence of China, India, Africa, Latin America, Indonesia, Iran (in no sanctions scenario), Turkey, etc. and a decrease in the influence of Russia.
Even high debt levels will not always lead to weak national power. The US for example can afford high debt levels as long as in can print money and get the rest of the world to pay for its deficits. To a smaller extent, the Euro gives such a privilege to the EU as well. And it will take a long time for the yuan to replace the dollar.
Now, if the dollar gets replaced by some other currency, then all bets are off. But not before that.
Russia is also projected to lose population as well, unlike the EU, where population will remain stable, or the US, where population will reach 400 million people.
Ultimately, gdp and population estimates show a decline for the West (as share of the world population and gdp), and even bigger decline for Russia, combined with rise of developing countries, especially China.
In other words a more bipolar and somewhat multipolar world where Russia will lose influence, will be dwarfed by other economies, and will be in a Chinese sphere of influence, as a junior partner. Something similar to Italy compared to Germany in 1930s. Not coincidentally SCO starts will Shanghai.
As for oil helping the russian economy, this has not been enough to change the situation. Even after accounting for the higher oil price, Russia is projected to grow by 1,7 % in 2018 and 1,6 % in 2019. I would say that the new sanctions annuled the effect of the higher oil prices, as gdp growth remains roughly the same.
http://tass.com/economy/1002808
(Do not get deceived by the TASS headline, i would not call a mere + 0,2 % an acceleration, i would say that gdp growth remains roughly the same).
Russia 2017 1,5 % 2018 1,7 % 2019 1,6 %
for comparison
World 2017 3,8 % 2018 3,8 % 2019 3,9 %
As you can see even a large increase in the oil price was unable to accelerate the russian economy, which means that the new sanctions are having a large impact, and as the article admits Russia remains in low growth mode due to the sanctions.

Posted by: T | May 5 2018 17:11 utc | 126

So the mass network of tunnels constructed underneath Ghouta…..and voila a French cement firm active in Syria and contracted to the CIA….
http://www.voltairenet.org/article200956.html

Posted by: WJ | May 5 2018 17:12 utc | 127

guardian;only comments about peahens today.

Posted by: dahoit | May 5 2018 17:40 utc | 128

FWIW, I don’t attach too much importance to the report that the State Department has frozen funding to the White Helmets.
Even if true, it could simply be a kind of official virtue-signaling to mollify or nullify increased skeptical scrutiny of the Helmets.
It’s comparable to the way that, say, Democratic Congresspersons attempt to reinforce their bogus “progressive” streed cred when some nefarious, abominably reactionary legislation is pending.
They hem and haw, then harrumph that they have “serious concerns”, or even “grave reservations”, over the prospective law; this ritual performed, they go on to vote for it.
Similarly, State may simply wish to create some superficial daylight between their agency and the spook-enabled Helmets.
Secondly, federal budget streams have intentionally become a Gordian knot of tangled, impenetrable, and malignant revenue-extracting processes. So, despite the official cessation of funding, it’s a given that some discretionary and/or “black budget” funding stream will secretly offset the temporarily unavailable State Department funding.

Posted by: Ort | May 5 2018 17:54 utc | 129

According to Lavrov the US want to partition Syria, can you remember when the US assured everyone that Syria should remain a united sovereign state, they lied, now they are allocating money to SDF and other forces to police the borders and internal security.
“To accomplish U.S. military objectives, partner force generation in Syria will be comprised of local forces that are demographically representative, appropriately vetted, trained, and equipped to ensure a safe and secure environment and capable of countering ISIS [Daesh],” it said in the budget proposal.
According to the proposal, the Pentagon plans to allocate $162.6 million of the $300 million on weapons, equipment, and vehicles, $8 million on base life support which provides basic humanitarian needs, $28 million on transportation and staging costs, and $101.5 million for operational sustainment.
Among the weapons being planned to be sent include 25,000 AK-47 automatic rifles, 1,500 light machine guns, 500 heavy machine guns, 400 RPG-7 rocket launchers, 95 sniper rifles, 20 60mm mortars and 60 120mm mortars. [The Daily Sabah]
When you read countering Daesh, read countering Assad. No one can deal with such snakes, they only understand one thing, a kick in the throat.

Posted by: Harry Law | May 5 2018 18:54 utc | 130

Part of the reason the White Helmets construct has been so vociferously defended in MSM is likely because the franchise is being established in multiple other countries. The construct is effective since most everyone around the world trusts and honors “first responders,” as noted by WH founder James Le Mesurier (former Colonel in British Special Forces, and founder of the mercenary – a private contracting organization Olive Group, that is now merged with Blackwater-Academi into Constellis Holdings)
Syria’s White Helmets Go Global
The ‘white helmets’ of Venezuela provide first aid to victims of violence in street protests

Posted by: Daniel | May 5 2018 20:21 utc | 131

From BBC, “US Navy resurrects Second Fleet in Atlantic to counter Russia”
“Our National Defense Strategy makes clear that we’re back in an era of great power competition as the security environment continues to grow more challenging and complex,” Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Richardson said in an announcement on board the USS George H W Bush at Norfolk.
So many grim realities to unpack in just one headline and sentence. Wow!
My greatest hope, with the new US “Defense” posture is that the MIC just wants more money. Cold War II and the new Arms Race would then simply be meant to increase “defense” industry profits, not to actually make more war.
But since this industry is most profitable when they’re actually blowing up this stuff, necessitating replacements be manufactured, and there are other goals besides MIC profits, it seems clear that we need a global anti-war movement, like yesterday.

Posted by: Daniel | May 5 2018 20:28 utc | 132

@T the numbers are misleading for a multiple reasons, not least of which is that Russia has been under sanctions for several years now.
Western “growth” numbers are also inflated massively by bankster and rentier payments – which actually are net negative for an economy but inflate GDP tallies.
Then there’s the ruble/dollar deflation: normally when a nation does this – like China – other nations squeal. Russia deflated the ruble in half when sanctions were announced; another 10% decline occurred just recently with this latest set of economic warfare tactics. That, plus the relative increase in oil prices, has a very different impact than “growth” numbers, to which import substitution and other internal medium and long term growth drivers are also not obvious.
Note I’m not saying Russia is prospering and everyone is knee deep in money – but growth as an absolute factor, particularly measured by Western methods, is not very reliable.

Posted by: c1ue | May 5 2018 21:01 utc | 133

T 126
You can produce all the statistics you like but it will not alter the fact that with its vast resources, superior technology, discipline, adherence to int’l law and partnership in the obor with china – russia, going forward will totally demolish your childlike analysis.

Posted by: m | May 5 2018 23:28 utc | 134

@116 I had no idea, brilliant! Txs..

Posted by: Lozion | May 5 2018 23:42 utc | 135

@Daniel 91
The word fish should be spelled “ghoti.” That is, “gh” as in “enough,” “o” as in “women” and “ti” as in “addition.”
According to Mr. Franklin, anyway.

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 6 2018 2:22 utc | 136

Thanks, AntiSpin. I remembered the concept, but not the specific example. But I recall Ben as using it as an example of what’s wrong with written English and why American English should be spelled phonetically (like most other European languages).

Posted by: Daniel | May 6 2018 3:14 utc | 137

Vanessa Beeley has penned an article on the alleged defunding of the White Helmets Propaganda Construct well worth reading.
“…the White Helmets  (SCD) have not been informed of any “funding freeze”. He then relays the information that the White Helmets have recently signed contracts with Turkish and Qatari organisations to carry out new projects…”
“…it is increasingly clear that the U.S funding freeze for the White Helmets may well prove to be another in a long line of Trump administration myths…”

Posted by: Daniel | May 6 2018 4:30 utc | 138

c1ue | May 5, 2018 5:01:53 PM | 133
Good assessment and very much in line with mine.
If in fact Russia was in bad financial shape; the how does one account for it superior weapons systems?
Putin himself has acknowledged the true health of Russia today. Putin has raised wages for the lowest paid workers, improved healthcare, and revolutionised agriculture to the point Russia is now the largest wheat producer/exporter in the world.

Posted by: V | May 6 2018 5:01 utc | 139

@ Daniel | 138
Thanks for posting the Vanessa Beeley link.
Beeley is always worthwhile– especially in this article, since she affirms and vindicates my own skepticism about the alleged White Helmets “funding freeze”. (See #129)

Posted by: Ort | May 6 2018 17:18 utc | 140

Out @140. I’m glad you found that article worthwhile. Beeley is an impressive journalist.. and human being. Did you check out my link above regarding the White Helmets being franchised globally?

Posted by: Daniel | May 7 2018 5:44 utc | 141

Putting the blame aside, since we dont know that yet…
What we do know is…Ccnsidering that Russia have been the one state that WANT to work with UK on Skirpal but have been rejected every time, cnsidering Russia is the ONE wanting OPCW to analyze Douma before ANY ILLEGAL ATTACKS is carried out, the UK government is pushing hard on the lies, psyops and propaganda against not only UK population but the whole of the west in this propaganda campaigns against Russia.
These people are insane with their racism and hatred. They have clearly lost the power of news/information, and while a majority still believe their obvious propaganda, there is a growing number that dont accept this BS anymore, and that goes for the pathetic propaganda outlet The Guardian too.

Posted by: Anon | May 7 2018 8:57 utc | 142

I think I’ve heard of the Black Cube before…but I was under the Cone of Silence and couldn’t hear very well.
Mark Twain said “Truth Is Stranger than Fiction, But It Is Because Fiction Is Obliged to Stick to Possibilities; Truth Isn’t”

Posted by: Babyl-on | May 7 2018 21:43 utc | 143

“The claims of Russian disinformation these authors make to not hold up to scrutiny. Meanwhile there pieces themselves are full of lies, distortions and, yes, disinformation.”
And a store near my house sells fruit, vegetables and, yes, produce. I think b was mislead by the maxim “Omne trium perfectum”. Some triples are better than others. For example, by eliminating a redundancy (lies and distortions are forms of disinformation) and a misspelling, plus adding a comma and yet another form of disinformation we can a nicer triple: “Meanwhile, the pieces themselves are full of lies, distortions and obfuscations, the three pillars of disinformation.”
On related topic, we had a clinical example how some minds work. The claims of Russian disinformation these authors make to not hold up to scrutiny. Meanwhile there pieces themselves are full of lies, distortions and, yes, disinformation.
Ahmet Üzümcü, inflicted on OPCW by the “international community” as it head after having such relevant experience as “Permanent Representative of Turkey to NATO” did not know basic facts, but knew how to drew the desired conclusion. Namely, that the quantity of whatever it was used to poison Skripals was ten times larger than what a lab could produce for testing purposes, so it was produced as a weapon. This is rather baffling, because one could wish to perform a small or a large number of tests etc. The purpose of this baffling sound bite was presumably to enable British propagandists to misquote him slightly in support of “military grade” narrative (not your familiar Novichok that you keep in the garden shed, oh no! military stuff). But what was that quantity that “lead” Mr. Üzümcü to that conclusion? Initially, it was “about 100 grams”. But English is his second language, as professional diplomat he did not have to be familiar with the fine point of SI unit system, so not surprising that he was corrected, “the amount was in miligrams”. But how many? “it could not be estimated from the data obtained by OPCW”. Regardless what it was, a peaceful chemical weapon research lab like the labs in Stockholm and Prague that made such samples, would make ten times less. Question for 10 US cents (or Euro cents): how Mr. Bolton could intimidate, cajole and bribe the “international community” to elect such an empty-headed hack?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 8 2018 2:11 utc | 144

Whats going with the OPCW, have they been there taking samples yet?
Oh and meanwhile,,,
France threats to Strike Syria Again if Damascus Uses Chemical Weapons – Paris
https://muraselon.com/en/2018/05/france-will-strike-syria-again-if-damascus-uses-chemical-weapons-paris/

Posted by: Anon | May 8 2018 9:33 utc | 145

Economy of Russia vs the West — worse, equal, better?
One can pick favorite indicators. GDP has some demerits, because it does not tell how much the population partakes in that indicator. Over the last 10 years, the growth of wages, according to my hasty calculations, was about 1%/year in Russia and 0.2% in USA. USA had growing workforce while Russia had a stable workforce, but the growth of GDP is definitely trickling up in USA.
I am also afraid that T is mistaken about the impact of oil prices. On the first series of differences the impact is minute because, well, it is a price difference. Only the secondary impact is registered, namely the change in the pool of capital that can be invested. How much these investment will increase GDP is a guess, hence the projections barely budged, but historically, “projections” err quite a bit in the direction “the trend will be the same is the changes this year”.
The last point is if low debt and capital reserves show “strength”. The example proposed by T was about a small, low tech economy. Russia has sufficient internal market to allow for depreciation of currency with only modest impact on inflation (which went down), so IMHO it passes the key test for “large economy”. Another test for “large/small” if the capital has tendency to flow in and out in “tidal waves” that are large compared to the economy as the whole. My argument is that sanctions make Russia “larger” in that aspect.
Another issue is if Russia is low tech country or not. It is safe to say that in a number of technologies it is on the top word level, e.g. computer security services, nuclear reactors, and a number of weapon systems.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 8 2018 17:44 utc | 146

This article and first comments got translated to RUS 😀
http://polismi.ru/politika/sled-anakondy/2035-smi-ispolzuyut-dezinformatsiyu-chtoby-obvinit-rossiyu-v-rasprostranenii-takovoj.html

Posted by: Arioch | May 21 2018 12:44 utc | 147