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May 24, 2018
How John Bolton Sabotaged The North Korea Talks

U.S. President Trump just canceled the planned summit with North Korea's chairman Kim Jong-Un. The two were supposed to meet on June 12 in Singapore. In a letter to Kim Jong-un, released to the media, Trump accused North Korea of hostile statements which, according to him, make the summit impossible:

Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I fell it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long planned meeting.

Since the very first summit talk National Security Advisor John Bolton set impossibly high expectations for the results. Trump fell for it.

The various 'hostile statements' go back to remarks by Bolton who has for some time compared disarmament of North Korea to Libya. On April 29 Bolton again asserted that the 'complete de-nuclearization' of North Korea would follow the 'Libya model'. North Korea never really offered to 'de-nuclearize'. It rejects the 'Libya model' for two reasons:

  • When Libya made peace with the U.S. it was not a nuclear capable state which North Korea is. North Korea demands to be seen as equal to other nuclear armed states.
  • Libya's transfer of the little nuclear production equipment it had was followed a few years later by a full fledged war waged by France, the U.K. and the U.S. against Libya and its government under Muhammad Ghaddafi. The war destroyed the country. North Korea has no intent to allow a repeat of such treason.

North Korea pushed back against the Bolton statement. On May 16 the White House made amends by not endorsing what Bolton said:

Referring to the Libya comparison, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Wednesday that she hadn't "seen that as part of any discussions so I'm not aware that that's a model that we're using.

"I haven't seen that that's a specific thing. I know that that comment was made. There's not a cookie cutter model on how this would work."

But a day later Donald Trump was asked about the Libya comparison and he seemed to agree with it:

“The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don’t make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy.”

We called that the 'art of the mafia deal': "Sign here or we will kill you." Signing under threat is something North Korea will never do.

The U.S. media played down Trump's talk as somewhat off-the-cuff. North Korea did not react to it. The summit train was still on track.

But on May 21 Vice President Pence revived the issue in an interview with Fox News:

PENCE: We really hope that Kim Jong-un will seize the opportunity to dismantle his nuclear weapons program and do so by peaceable means. You know, there were some talk about the Libya model last week. And you know, as the president made clear, you know, this will only end like the Libya Model ended if Kim Jong-un doesn't make a deal.

MACCALLUM: Some people saw that as a threat.

PENCE: Well, I think it's more of a fact. President Trump made it clear the United States of America under his leadership is not going to tolerate the regime in North Korea possessing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that threaten the United States and our allies. We've made it clear that we are continuing to bring economic and diplomatic pressure to bear on North Korea that all options are on the table to achieve that end.

It was clear from the beginning that North Korea would not negotiate a complete de-nuclearization and would not talk while under such a threat. As the Washington Post noted: The more Pence and Trump say ‘Libya,’ the angrier North Korea gets.

The continuation of the Libya comparison was now a tactic to avoid the little prepared summit talks while blaming North Korea for the failure. The response from North Korea to Pence's remarks was quite salty but not overly hostile. Unlike Trump it did not threaten "total decimation":

Choe Son Hui, the DPRK's vice foreign minister, said she would put forward a suggestion to DPRK top leader Kim Jong Un for reconsidering the DPRK-U.S. summit scheduled for June 12 if the United States continues with hostile remarks and actions, according to the Korean Central News Agency.

Calling the remarks of Pence "ignorant and stupid," she said that Pence should seriously consider the "terrible consequences of his words" before making such remarks.

"We could surmise more than enough what a political dummy he is as he is trying to compare the DPRK, a nuclear weapon state, to Libya that has simply installed a few items of equipment and fiddled around with them," she said.

Trump's cancellation letter refers to that statement.

The cancellation comes hours after North Korea, in the presence of a dozen international journalists, blew up several tunnels it had used for nuclear tests. This was a confidence building measure even while it is of little practical value. North Korea is mountainous and has several more tunnels it can use for further nuclear tests.

I now expect another phase of huffing and puffing from both sides. The U.S. will do more fly-bys with nuclear capable bombers and push for more sanctions. North Korea will respond with more nuclear and missile tests.

Trump had expected a fast victory and probably even a total de-nuclearization of North Korea. He dreamed of a Nobel Peace Prize. But North Korea had offered de-nuclearization only as a long term aspiration for the whole world. Giving up its nuclear capabilities would be suicidal as the U.S. will not honor any security guarantees it might give in exchange. Trump proved such when he canceled the JCPOA deal with Iran.

When the summit between North and South Korea took place on April 27, I had identified several potential spoilers for a disarmament and peace process. John Bolton was one of them. His introduction of the 'Libya model', which Trump and Pence who are both novices in international talks then took up, sabotaged the deal.

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Comments

Trump only makes himself more stupid. Does he really think he can out negotiate the North Koreans. He is so immature. And to talk of his nukes! Like a small boy showing off his toys.

Posted by: chng kooi seng | May 25 2018 13:51 utc | 101

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Posted by: Chipnik | May 25 2018 14:02 utc | 102

Despite Trump Canceling the Summit North Korea is Still Open to Talks with U.S. see video https://youtu.be/rB3qn_RvI3Q

Posted by: Thomas Murphy | May 25 2018 14:49 utc | 103

If the US cannot hold onto its beach-head in SK, then a future invasion of China becomes near-impossible.
Posted by: Jen | May 24, 2018 7:33:49 PM | 67
I will let you know how the war will be fight in Korea, not yet involving China. First, US make a sugical strike to try decapitate Kim, Kim knew its all or nothing, launch every projectiles.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/352530-dems-ask-mattis-how-many-people-would-die-in-war-with-north-korea
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-book-mattis-reads-to-be-prepared-for-war-with-north-korea/
https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21735583-do-not-count-it-donald-trump-may-be-bluffing-over-pre-emptive-strike-north-korea
USM Atlantis 2005 war game & 2017 Pentagon analyst: In first few days, by NK colossal artillery alone, hundreds of thousands within range will be killed, including all 28,000 US troops at border with their family. Its missiles will cause great damage further South aiming at new USM bases, SK & Jp cities. Submarines launch surprise attacks all over. No amount of aerial & missiles can win a war, only hundreds of thousands foot soldiers fighting door to door. Up to Tens of millions casualties is expected.This casualties excluding NK newly acquired Multiple rockets launchers & rebalance of conventional power from China last year with extended range.
Now come the All nuclear missiles launched at first threat before they are destroyed. If NK really have nuke warheads able to mount on missiles, then its disastrous with Guam, Jp & SK all within range, casualties is astronomical. If not, NK will detonate as many dirty bombs using Navy, Submarines, & near border with artillery or simply detonate to spread radioactive engulfing entire region for maximum damage to US army & allies. Many millions will die. If NK really can hit US with a few nuke, then its even more casualties. To nuke NK, it will put entire region in radioactive cloud unacceptable to all. So what’s the use to wipe NK at such price?
Ok, we can start China intervention by now. All US bases are within China thousands of missiles to be eliminate shortly. All USN vessels in China water will be sunk quickly, with as many a/carrier strike groups sent in sunk by carrier killer missiles & air/sea/land based missiles. All bombers & fighter jets will be down with multi layered aerial defense back with HQ9 & S400, & thousands of fighter jets. Many US submarines will be sunked. China entire Navy fleets will likely be destroyed too.
If US decided to retaliate by attacking China mainland military assets & airbases, US continent will come under massive attacks by intercontinental missiles. This leave US to one last option, swollow defeat in humiliation & decline, or escalate to nuke war with mutual destruction.
If you think there is a chance to win a conventional war with China, do read China war strategy professed by its hawks, General Zhu Chenghu speech in 2004. China will never fight a conventional war with US it can’t win, it will do nuclear first strike targeting hundreds of US main cities. China nuke is for deterrence, hence its aimed for max damage to invader.
Gen Zhu once warned Bush to fcuk off in his fantasy of controlled region war to stall China rise, with China launching nuke first strike. And China believe it will survive with its extensive underground tunnels built in Mao era, well prepared with supplies like Soviet. US leaders will survive too in their deep bunkers, while murkans hiding in their own basement waiting to get fry.
There is no one ever can win a land war with Russia of 140M. What’s more to say about China with 1.4B. Not even when you sent all 160M murkans young & old, gay or straight over to invade. Its all about USM & MIC profits & geopolitical game, no war can be win at US, Russia & China land.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Chenghu
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2005/jul/16/china.jonathanwatts
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/realities-chinas-no-first-use-policy/

Posted by: DrTT | May 25 2018 14:49 utc | 104

Would be nice to imagine Russia and China oversee deneuclearization of NK and subsequently undertake to protect the whole peninsula if SK were to reject THAAD and the US occupation.
Wishful thinking ? All four sides may be willing to some degree.

Posted by: MikeSmith | May 25 2018 16:21 utc | 105

Now, S. Korea is scratching its head “What the F*** is wrong with the Americans?
Posted by: Toxik | May 24, 2018 6:29:39 PM | 60
It is not as if they had no answers. Hegemony as the national goal of the elite. Blithe disregard for human life, except for domestic elite (e.g. regular citizens are killed by police regularly, the treatment of non-citizens is worse, especially if “they do not look like Americans”, and Koreans do not. Electing a dotard who does not wrap the previous points in innocuous verbiage.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 25 2018 16:27 utc | 106

b, do you have any comments on this analysis:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/24/chairman-xi-jinping-responds-north-korea-says-it-is-still-willing-to-talk-with-us-at-any-time-and-in-any-format/
For what it’s worth, I very much agree with “sundance”, but am curious about arguments you might offer to counter him.

Posted by: Keith Harbaugh | May 25 2018 19:34 utc | 107

God bless America, it’s afflicted with some mental midgets jerking on its levers of power. On sheer principle I would hope the NKPR defer peace talks – if they get ‘back on’ – by a week or two, just to fu*k with Trump’s golf schedule.
The assholicity of America to-day is stunning.

Posted by: Baldur Dasche | May 25 2018 19:35 utc | 108

@110 Keith Harbaugh
It’s a silly analysis, and not built on the true fundamentals of the situation. It says China controls North Korea, and will throw NK under the bus as Trump “wins” his trade war against China. This vastly misunderstands both China and North Korea – hence, the entire situation. It also credits the US with economic and policy strengths simply not demonstrated by its actions.
It is interesting to see that some people now think that the North Korean response – in saying it would be prepared to talk to Trump, anywhere, anytime – is a form of surrender by NK. The Duran now has a ludicrous headline that Kim has “caved” to the superior negotiation strengths of the US side. Regular commenters are very annoyed, and the author is making the mistake of arguing with them. Juvenile behavior, juvenile analysis.
Your Sundance article similarly rests on the belief that the US just won the latest round. I think if you read some of the comments here you’ll see a different interpretation.

Posted by: Grieved | May 26 2018 1:13 utc | 109

I suspect Trump is playing his hand exactly right according to the plans and wishes of Kim! Trump cancelled after describing the only options on the table as a re-Libya. Fulfills the wildest dreams of Kim’s masterful planning, with full strategic support from Russia and China.
Next step is Kim will GO AHEAD with the summit in Singapore. He can’t be accused of being responsible for cancelling the summit if he really carries it through, can he? Of course, the participants have to change – instead of US vs NK in useless antipathy it will be NK + SK + CN + RU + WIN WIN WIN mentality.
China and Russia will move defencive forces into NK – with support of SK – to protect both NK and SK from US attack.
The most difficult aspect will be protecting SK from a right-wing military coup organised by the US – no idea how to tackle that one.

Posted by: BM | May 26 2018 12:41 utc | 110

Retwitted and automatically translated today:
President and Secretary of State Kim Jong met at the North Korean regional unification meeting on 26 p.m.
The demilitarized zone at 38 parallel may have its own time difference, or Twitter uses a funny translator. Another semi-serious observation is that Korean leader are photographed with the preservation of isocephaly, a Byzantine principle to have all heads in a picture on the same level (emperor centered, saints with halos but otherwise, all humans are equal).
My take is that the minimal agenda of DPRK is to have China and Russia lift their participation in economic sanctions. Because of decades of Juche ideology, their economy can function adequately without Western technology, financial services etc. The minimal agenda requires decent show of readiness to negotiate with “meaningful concessions”. Who will judge if the proposals, when made, are “meaningful”? China and Russia may be weary to do it alone, but if South Korea is on board, it would work. That is tricky, Korean deep state was created in the spirit of deep animosity to the threat from the north and tight cooperation with Americans, but Boltonian vituperation may help the minimal agenda.
Maximal agenda would be to have trade as opened as, say, Vietnam of Burma. That may be outright impossible.
BM: the scenario of Chinese and Russian military entering the peninsula is not possible. (a) North Korean ideology has an extremal stress of independence, they would not invite foreign forces without a knife at their throat. (b) South Koreans of all political persuasions would not like it either, and military/security complex would abhor it. (c) China and Russia would not promote that either, if they want to make “provocative moves” they already have other plans.
Concerning putative military coup in South Korea, that is not likely either. But like Trump, South Korean president will not make moves that military vehemently opposes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 26 2018 21:08 utc | 111

Heh, I was quite optimistic about this deal (in the Trumpian meme of “Iran deal bad, NK deal good”) as Trump needs some ‘peace’ success even if it 100% shadow play.
Yet.… it ain’t over until it’s over or sumpting. Also, as I wrote before, this is more a matter of appeasing Trump (big white man boss) while getting on with one’s own business on the ground: S -/- N K.. with China involved as well.
Trump proposed a clear path for MAGA. A more isolationist, aka *anti-globalist* and thus anti-corporatist! policy, which is of course very problematic for many power/finance hubs, a dodgy endeavour.
That includes using threat and clout for trade with trading partners (e.g. China) and not just as ‘sanctions’, plus: forcing others (EU..) to be more isolationist, aka self-reliant / responsible in his kind of terms. The isolationist stance also mandates that ‘funding’ of ‘defense of others’ and ‘intl stuff’ (UN..) as a means of soft control (Obama) is not a favorable calculation. — This aspect is something his base is very attached to, as the return on investment does not come to them, or not that they can see.
Part 2 of the script was to rope in the no. 1 available / open to alliance rival: Russia. If you can’t beat them, join them, to put it very bah-asic. Btw, Obama, under the impulse of Kerry and others, followed a sub-rosa similar policy re. Iran, in the sense of ‘dealing’ aka ‘making concessions’ in return for some presentable minima.
Trump’s proposal might have worked out in some ways imho (direction: > multi-polar world..etc.) if it wasn’t for confused, hidden, corrupt, US political landscape, where different Mafia-type gangs fight it out behind the scenes, as they can afford it as the country is rich and they don’t envisage the ppl’s hurled pitchforks or nuclear war.
Trump was, is, vulnerable to attacks from so many quarters (upsetting a previous balance, blackmail, etc.), either as a real danger (to corps) or as a scapegoat for failure (Dem hate, Russia meddling plots..) or as attempting to shatter a pro-Jihadi agenda (contra ‘terrorism’ – evil muslim brotherhood – proxy forces, etc.) and more that the usual opportunist culprits swooped in, care of Jared? and some of DT’s funders? and so the fate of the US and possibly the world is sealed.
The NK story has to be viewed in some kind of context, mine may not be right on the nail, but something like it.

Posted by: Noirette | May 27 2018 13:01 utc | 112

Posted by: BM | May 26, 2018 8:41:13 AM | 113
Sure Trump is godsend for world peace. Where on earth to find a bankcrupted developer to helm US empire, surrounding him with clowns, to play complex geopolitical game with opponents like NK, China & Russia equipped with best experienced strategies & negotiators. Its one sided street fighting game, except US has the giant body with peanut brain.
If NK rely on Putin’s Russia for protection, it will suffer like Syria Assad, always subjected to free attack of ZUS while Russia is planning how to carve its influence there without slight mercy. NK Kim is not in Assad helpless position, he won’t be so stupid. Hence he visited China twice to secure Prez Xi guarantee of his safety, NK economy & security, with common strategy to put Trump in their pocket.
Russia Putin has nothing to offer, except exploitation as in every country FUKUS-Russia set foot, imperialist work with similar play book but different packaging.

Posted by: DrTT | May 27 2018 14:18 utc | 113

@ Chipnik, #105
You said

“DPRK does NOT ‘have the means to deliver it’…” + “The DPRK HAS THE BOMB!”.

1) Would you be so kind to explain what’s the sense to have a nuclear bomb if you can’t deliver it to the territory of your enemy? Maybe just to have it? They made this bomb, congratulated each other, and put the bomb in some storage, right? DPRK is happy, because they know now they have a nuclear bomb. Funny. Or maybe you think DPRK will use (if they will have to use it) their nuclear bomb on their own territory?
2) Sorry, but what was it that DPRK launched numerous times to the eastern direction? What was it that flew over the Japan and fell somewhere in Pacific Ocean? In your opinion it was some pseudo-missiles? Or maybe some not real, cardboard missiles? Funny.
I don’t say DPRK has the missile that can reach New York (though, who knows). But it’s quite possible they have a missile that can reach some point, for example, on Alaska. After all, DPRK’s means of delivering surely can reach a lot of US’ forces in Asian-Pacific area (for example, American military base at Okinawa, Japan).
3) Why do you think the US elites suddenly showed a will to negotiate with an “awful tyrant\dictator” from the DPRK? Because they know the DPRK has a nuclear weapons, and has the means to deliver it (of course not so good/modern/mighty means as Russia has, as the US has, and some other countries from a “nuclear club”, but still). The US elites know they have to negotiate with the DPRK. They have no other choice. They’re forced to negotiate.
Because they have just two ways – keep threatening the DPRK, and one day it will have to finally result in concrete steps, i.e. a war against the DPRK, to which the US in not ready. And the other way – to negotiate with the DPRK.

Posted by: alaff | May 28 2018 14:17 utc | 114