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April 11, 2018

Trump Asks Russia To Roll Over - It Won't

Donald Trump may perceive these bad cop/good cop tweets as a serious way to negotiate with Russia. They ain't.

Donald J. Trump - @realDonaldTrump - 10:57 AM UTC - 11 Apr 2018
Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
Donald J. Trump - @realDonaldTrump - 11:37 AM UTC - 11 Apr 2018
Our relationship with Russia is worse now than it has ever been, and that includes the Cold War. There is no reason for this. Russia needs us to help with their economy, something that would be very easy to do, and we need all nations to work together. Stop the arms race?

Russia said it would destroy the platforms that launch the missiles, not only the missiles themselves. Did nobody explain the difference to Trump?

There is reason that U.S. relations with Russia are now worse than they have been for some time and Russia is not responsible for these. The GW Bush administration killed the Anti-Ballistic-Missile treaty which guaranteed Mutually Assured Destruction and thus strategic stability. The Obama administration launched a trillion dollar program to ramp up U.S. nuclear capabilities and ballistic missile defense with the aim of achieving superiority in a nuclear conflict.

It is cynical to say that "Russia needs us to help with their economy". The U.S. under Trump is waging economic war on Russia by implementing more and more economic sanctions. The last round on Friday targeted Russian industrialists, many of whom are not even aligned with Putin. Aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, disliked in the Kremlin, lost 15% of his fortune. The Rubel plummeted against the dollar for two days in a row. U.S. Treasury stooges are now traveling in Europe to press European banks to shut down all services for Russian companies.


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(Ironically both economic attack vectors will help Putin's program. Since 2014 Russia has been pressing its oligarchs to repatriate the billions the stashed in 'western' offshore banks. They will now do so out of fear of confiscations. The lower Rubel will increase local production and allow for cheaper exports.)

The U.S. incited Georgia to attack Russia. It 'regime changed' the Ukraine. It attacks Syria, an old Russian ally. Then there are the hoaxes that get attributed to Russia without any evidence. Russia did not influence the U.S. election. It did not poison the Skripals. There was no 'chemical attack' in Douma.

Russia has all kinds of reasons to be hostile to the U.S. but always stays calm and well mannered. It is stupid to mistake that for fear or inferiority. Taunting Russia like Trump now does will only increase its resistance to U.S. moves.

Is Trump trying to make an offer to really help Russia's economy and to stop the arms race?

If Russia would roll over and give up on Syria would Trump really lift the sanctions? Would he really stop the U.S. race for nuclear supremacy? Could he even promise to do such? And why would anyone believe Trump anyway?

Unlike western European countries, Russia is no led by yapping poodles. The Russian government and its people will not roll over. They have historically never done so. President Putin will start his period of governance on May 7 with a war cabinet structured and manned for conflict. He expects a long fight.

Russia will have to respond to any U.S. strike on Syria. It needs to do so to keep face and the faith of its allies. But it also needs to so in a way that avoids further escalation. Something that is very strong, in a different theater and not attributable? Or something that is openly targeting U.S. interests, but not U.S. soldiers, in the Middle East?

It is Israel which is behind the war on Syria and which is pressing for further conflict. There are one million Russians in Israel, many of whom are not even Jewish. Could Russia ask them for help to change the strategic picture? Or should it increase support for those who directly fight the Zionist state?

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@72
I have presented rational conclusion short term, global nuke war is not in cards right now, if you do not buy it you assume that simple reason and self interest will not prevail .

I see no proof of that. The US belligerence is not random but coming from Deep State decades old policies not from Trump as he is just a puppet, and it is very rational policy directed at domination of US over the remaining somewhat independent powers like China and Russia Iran, in time of US empire collapsing internally on itself.

In fact Russia has already been attacked by US by its puppets during two Chechen proxy wars, thousands of Russian soldiers died.

Posted by: Kalen | Apr 11 2018 17:30 utc | 101

Christian Chuba

Winning mean that they cannot win, and thefore they wont engage in such a war that an escalation could lead to.
Compare this to US endless wars, they can because they know none of the attacked groups or countries can return the same destruction on US soil.

OJS

A state dont engage in a war, in this situation for Syria, if they might end up losing, and losing bad.

Posted by: test | Apr 11 2018 17:31 utc | 102

@ Perimetr 56,

No worries. These are trying times.

WJ

PS I concur that Greenwald is highly suspicious, I just haven't figured out (for myself) what kind of game it is that he's playing, individually and in concert with Intercept, which seems to have been bankrolled just for him, and when he started playing whatever game it is that he's playing. Before or after Salon, Snowden, Brazil etc.? And how and by what means etc.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2018 17:31 utc | 103

radiator says:

All this land and its resources for only so few people, they surely belong to the strongest, not the ones that happen to live there

i'm sure the native americans would recognize your sentiment, but did you have someone in mind?

Posted by: john | Apr 11 2018 17:35 utc | 104

Regarding the WHO statement that 500 people turned up with chemical-attack symptoms, this is identified as coming from "Health Cluster partners." From their webpage:

"There are 50 Health Cluster partners at the global level and more than 700 partners in countries – this is a collective force guaranteeing that the response to health emergencies becomes more timely, effective and predictable. These partners include international organizations and UN agencies, nongovernmental organizations, national authorities, specialized agencies, affected communities, academic and training institutes and donor agencies."

http://www.who.int/health-cluster/partners/en/

This raises the question: Exactly who were these "partners" on the ground in an area under the control of the jihadists?

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Apr 11 2018 17:44 utc | 105

Perhaps one way for the hostilities to go away would be for the recently departed Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group to disappear in the middle of the Atlantic…

Posted by: Lavrenty | Apr 11 2018 17:48 utc | 106

test (various)

The fact that all Russian militaries (all forces) are on high alert in the Russian Federation
and Syria proves that Putin is serious in the severity of Russia's retaliation.

Due warnings have been given.

Either the US coalition does not attack or war is served.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 11 2018 17:49 utc | 107

karlof1 @99,

I strongly disagree with Garrie's critique because it assumes that Putin/Russia did not understand from the beginning--or at least from 2009 or so-- that the so-called War on Terrorism was actually a pretext for ongoing and in principle endless US military aggression. All the US has to do is fund some "terrorists" somewhere, and that by itself gives the US an excuse to intervene militarily in that country. Russia has long known that the aim of the War on Terrorism is not to defeat "terrorism" but to provide a cover for US aggression.

If Putin made any mistake, it was probably in underestimating the maniacal lengths to which the US would go--either on its own or as pressured by Israel-- in its attempt to deny the truth of the changing world order. Rather than back down and reorient itself in line with what are in reality its own self-interests, it looks like the US would rather bring the whole world down with itself. In short, the Iron Law of Institutions wins out over Self-Interest, Properly Understood.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2018 17:49 utc | 108

CarlD

Why do you keep egging yourself like that?
Where do you get the notion that all of Russia is on "high alert" and where comes the logic that
Russia will retaliate even if they were on "high alert"?
Calm down.

Posted by: test | Apr 11 2018 17:53 utc | 109

@ Emily Dickinson 106,

"international organizations and UN agencies, nongovernmental organizations, national authorities, specialized agencies, affected communities, academic and training institutes and donor agencies."

In other words:

"CIA/MI6 fronts and NATO fronts, CIA/MI6 fronts, US serf-states, CIA/MI6 fronts, Saudi-funded jihadists, CIA/MI6 fronts and CIA/MI6 fronts."

Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2018 17:57 utc | 110

@101 "Traders have been replaced by ALGOS ..."

Seems that way but something is making the ALGOS very nervous lately. Trade War with China
has cooled down but Real War with Russia is heating up. Zuckerberg is holding up well in Congress so far....maybe because they don't have a clue about social media.

Posted by: dh | Apr 11 2018 18:01 utc | 111

@73 aaaaa

That's a bit of a stretch. Germans were demoralized long before, as each sane person knew the war will end in defeat from mid'42 on. Back in the days I had the somewhat questionable pleasure of talking to German ex-soldiers (two of my grand-uncles) that were deployed to the Eastern Front. Compared to the kind of warfare that was going on there the fighting in the west and south was almost akin to being on vacation - I'm serious about that. On average the Soviets, mainly comprised of todays Russian peoples, lost 16-18000 people a day, this is evidence of the fierceness of fighting and, also, to what amount of a beating the Russians can take without losing sight of their goal. The Soviet Union did the real fighting against German forces. At all times there'd been about 85% of all German forces deployed to the east, without this there would had been no bombing campaign against Germany simply because the number of fighter aircraft available against allied bombers would had been overwhelming.

Except for a few elite units, hastily re-deployed from the east, the main force was unexperienced draftees with both a lack of proper training and equipment. All other experienced units stayed east in a desperate attempt to hold back the red army as long as any possible.
A very good friend of mine, who died a couple years back at age 84, was one of these unfortunate souls. When he turned 17 in late Dec.'44 he received an official letter that read 'A gift from the Fuhrer' - it was his draft note. That's been the kind of opponent the western allies faced late in the war, a bunch of badly under-equipped troops consisting of exhausted regulars and youths, that were scared shitless (his words, not mine).

Russia's a different kind of animal. They won WWII - European theater almost singlehandedly but had to pay dearly.

Posted by: Hmpf | Apr 11 2018 18:06 utc | 112

There seems to be a vein of thought that Putin is a disappointment in not acting more forcefully in standing up to the empire of chaos. However, let's just remember what has been accomplished in Syria. Despite probable billions spent by the Saudis, Israelis and US neo-cons, their precious jihadis have been routed. The last major enclave was just cleared out in Ghouta. Assad has outlasted one US president who foolishly bought into the "Assad must go" rhetoric. He will probably outlast Trump.

All the other neocons have to show for their wasted dollars are a lot of dead jihadis, and a sliver of eastern Syria east of the Euphrates.

Assad and Putin have beaten them in a military and tactical sense. Add that is what must infuriate them so much. Hence the shrieking harpy Haley, and the attempt to go back a few pages in the playbook to the section on the Iraq war with "shock and awe" type tactics.

I don't see any way to resolve this other than a shooting war between Russia and the US.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 11 2018 18:08 utc | 113

Latest report I've seen - Russia now negotiating with US over Syria attack. Ie Russia is rolling over and probably also pushing Assad/Iran under the bus.

There is more talk about how Assad has won the war. It's laughable. The US wanted the country partitioned and it not only got that but got the oil and most of the pipeline route it wanted. Assad's chunk of Syria will fall in a matter of time - it's unsustainable - perhaps sooner rather than later depending on how comprehensive the US attack is.

But yeah, after all the big talk, Russia has rolled over, it seems.

Posted by: paul | Apr 11 2018 18:14 utc | 114

The safest means of stopping this madness is via proxies.............

So................

Hezbollah................ Syria............ Iran.............????

Hezbollah has shown they have AShMs. Syria likely has the bastion system. Iran makes AShMs and BAShMs.

Seems to me either Syria or Hezbollah have good reason to pre-empt the coming srike by sinking any or all of the
US ships moved within striking range of Lebanon/Syria, as their response to the 2014 attack perpetrated by Trump under
cover of a false flag chemical attack in Idlib province.

They both have AAMs.

Seems to me they have good reason to down NATO spy planes sniffing along their coasts.

Then Russia/China can step in as the "good cops" to calm the bully down.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George Oprisko | Apr 11 2018 18:16 utc | 115

Theresa May says UK is ready to participate in NATO attack on Syria.

Posted by: David | Apr 11 2018 18:21 utc | 116

More evidence of what to come

May Ready to Allow UK Participation in Airskrikes in Syria - Reports
https://sputniknews.com/military/201804111063455294-uk-syria-airstrike-theresa-may/

Turkish FM Cavusoglu says Assad, who ‘killed nearly 1mn people,’ must go immediately
https://www.rt.com/newsline/423836-turkey-cavusoglu-assad-syria/

Posted by: test | Apr 11 2018 18:25 utc | 117

Putin should get a twitter account. Would they dare to deny him an account?

Twitter war is better than real war.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11, 2018 10:01:24 AM | 14

Great minds think alike! This point was raised, and sadly, it was announced that Putin shall not tweet. I guess, individual embassies of RF do, but not Enchilada Grande himself. The world will be poorer for this. )-;

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 11 2018 18:27 utc | 118

WJ @109--

Agree with you, although to be fair Garrie does say that the US/UK have always been Russia's #1 enemy. And his point that Putin erred in saying Russia will retaliate only if Russian assets hit during attack instead of retaliate to any attack on Syria is certainly on point.

Odd that Mattis seems to be the one reigning in the war horses. Trump's push me/pull you Twitterstorm has elicited a vast trove of responses, many asking/demanding he seek medical advice to deal with his unbalanced state-of-mind. Plus, there's Congressional pushback occurring too. Clearly, situation's very fluid; perhaps Putin's desire that "common sense will prevail" will be fulfilled.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2018 18:30 utc | 119

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Apr 11, 2018 1:44:15 PM | 106

This raises the question: Exactly who were these "partners" on the ground in an area under the control of the jihadists?

I guess the NGO that provided the false information to WHO about 500 chemical weapons patients is the Syrian American Medical Society. SAMS are known for promoting false-flag chemical weapons provocations in Syria and for having direct connections to the organizers and killers. By their own admission they have been involved in staging almost 200 false-flag chemical weapons massacres in the last 7 years.

See this tweet from April 5, 2018:

SAMS @sams_usa on Twitter

“Dr. Morad is here today to be an inspiration to all of us." Today, 1 year after the sarin gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun, UN Ambassador @nikkihaley delivered remarks at a UNSC briefing on chemical weapons w/Dr. Morad as her guest. SAMS has recorded almost 200 such attacks in 7 yrs

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2018 18:30 utc | 120

A good start if this kicks off would be for Russia to ensure any participating aircraft belonging to the yapping poodle states are shot down. It will shake a lot of people out of their apathy and have them looking more closely at what their governments are up to.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 18:35 utc | 121

Test,

Keep drinking the kool aid.

You will sober up in due time.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 11 2018 18:37 utc | 122

Russia's main impediment is that it cannot allow the conflict to become purely economic, as it is more vulnerable economically than militarily. Thus Russia needs to respond to an attack either by doing nothing or by striking with such force that the West is not given the option of creating an economic blockade while maintaining its economic advantages. One option would be to strike Saudi oil fields, which would be devastating to the West without necessarily leading to a full-blown nuclear war.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Apr 11 2018 18:41 utc | 123

@99
So Putin was so ignorant that he didn't realize that Syria is a strategic/political extension of Iran into Israel's neighborhood? I don't buy it. Russia wasn't naive about anything, has enjoyed major success in Syria and there's no reason to question its actions..

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 18:42 utc | 124

One side is telling lies. It always amazes me at just how uncritical the media are when really important things are at stake.For me, the rush to action before any investigation betrays that its not the facts that count but what the US wants. Who said shoot first and ask questions later?

Posted by: Kaiama | Apr 11 2018 18:43 utc | 125

@ WJ at 111 and Petri Kohn 120:

I would guess the answer is yes to both of your deductions.

After reading more about WHO's Health Cluster partners in Syria, it seemed clear that the Syrian AMERICAN Medical Society was at least one likely source for the reports of 500 chemical victims.

And SAMS, like the While Helmets, appears to have motives unconnected to health care.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Apr 11 2018 18:47 utc | 126

CarlD

Guys like you seems to believe this is some fight in the neighbourhood by two pre-teens.
This is real and in the real world states like Russia wont act like the irrational teen.

But please, feel free to paint the scenario in atleast 8 rows beginning with US/UK/France attack Syria.
You wont.
Go figure.

Posted by: test | Apr 11 2018 18:54 utc | 127

When really smart people do crazy things you know you are missing something important. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a war with Russia and vice versa? They woulnd't unless it was part of a mutually agreed script.

Perhaps what happens next is Trump lobs a few missiles on Syria and takes out the USS Donald and blames Russia for that . Like the USS Maine and USS Maddox. Putin has already helped make such an allegation believable.


Then we can Prepare for a long Fake War like in Orwells 1984 with skirmishes in places like Iran, Syria and Ukraine. The real enemy and target is the constitution and the people , including those in the Democratic West. A war wiith a credible enemy replaces the GWOT which was running on fumes. Putin so kindly made Russia a credible threat to the people with his public announcement of their new weapons . That was no accident. This will be the end of even the illusion of Democracy, which is all we have.

Trump will be given dictatorial powers and we may prepare for the Internet kill switch to be flipped. Maybe Putin and Trump will join China's President as Presidents for life.

Posted by: Pft | Apr 11 2018 18:58 utc | 128

Kalen 9:52:11 AM | 9
I understand your Trotzkist point of view which has many merits. Currently we have nothing but reactionary regimes all over the planet, of course including the Russian and the Chinese one. But still there are some crucial differences. It is the west bloc which wants to inflame the world, not the Russians and the Chinese. You're right when you speak about an appeasing Russian approach, but we may not know some important factors. For instance to an all confrontational stance you need a prepared army in your back. Maybe this wasn't the case some years ago. I assume now it's different. Some in the west want go to war, and even if its not clear if the economic situation is that bad, that it leaves war as the only 'solution' I'm afraid they will succeed. You should not overestimate the power of rationality.

Posted by: Pnyx | Apr 11 2018 19:01 utc | 129

In times of synchronicities of war we need all the friends we can get.
When larger conflict must be... so be it.
My prayers won't be enough to prevent it but deeply felt in hope, courage and fortitude to all truth seekers in their respective missions.

Posted by: kpax | Apr 11 2018 19:02 utc | 130

From JPost:

SENIOR SECURITY OFFICIALS: IF IRAN ACTS AGAINST ISRAEL, WE'LL TOPPLE ASSAD

If the Iranians act against Israel from Syrian territory, Syrian President Bashar Assad and his regime will be those that pay the price."

That is the clear message from senior officials in the Israeli defense establishment and IDF after the top adviser to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei called a strike on the Syrian T-4 air base "Israel's crime" and said the alleged act would "not remain without response."

"Assad's regime and Assad himself will disappear from the map and the world if the Iranians do try to harm Israel or its interests from Syrian territory," said senior officials in the defense establishment.

"Our recommendation to Iran is that it does not try to act, because Israel is determined to continue on this issue to the very end," the officials said.

And the most telling statement:

Expanding on Liberman's comments, security officials believe that Iran may try to retaliate to the alleged Israeli attack, either with Iranian weapons transported into Syria from Iran or by "borrowing" Syrian army systems.

So, perfect time for Israel to fabricate claims of an attack from Syria, or maybe stage one somehow to justify their planned 1) assassination of Assad, 2) further destruction of Syrian/Russian air defenses and 3) wide-scale attacks on Iranian anything in Syria. Syria will, of course, deny any attacks on Israel. But the seed for the coming narrative has already been planted with the strikingly odd suggestion of Iranians 'borrowing' Syrian army systems. If Israel can't provoke Syria or Iran to attack, then it will just have to make one happen.

Note this is all happening at a time when the US is removing swapping carrier strike groups in the Middle East. The Roosevelt and pals left the Persian Arabian Gulf a while back to provoke the Chinese conduct operations in the South China Sea.

So, no vulnerable carriers in the area right now and not enough destroyers to launch any kind of sizeable Tomahawk attack.

The Truman CSG with 6,500 sailors just left Newport. It will reach the Mediterranean with six guided-missile destroyers, a guided-missile cruiser and even a German and Danish frigate. The Roosevelt CSG only had three destroyers and a cruiser. The Truman CSG will join the guided-missile destroyer Donald Cook, already in the Mediterranean, which is apparently being used to bait the Russians for now. I half-expect that to be hit soon in an Israeli false-flag to 'repurpose' the CSG arriving next week. The Israelis tried the same thing with the Liberty (to be blamed on UAR/Egypt) in order to drag the US into their Six-Day War.

In any case, there is simply not enough imaginary 'chemical weapons sites' to target in any cruise missile attack. The real intent of Israel and the US will be (IMHO) to completely destroy any Syrian air defense capability once and for all. The Syrian Air Force aircraft are a secondary, far less important target. Without any air defense, the Israeli and Coalition of Evil can pick them off one-by-one. This scenario puts Russia in a difficult position: it would have to fire its own SAMs at any aircraft attacking Syria - something it has not done before. Anything missiles fired at Israeli aircraft up until now has been from Syrian air defense sites - the Russians only provide a network for all Syrian/Russian radars.

Neither the US nor Israel are going to do much on the ground in Syria until they have unrestricted air dominance - at least over their head-chopper safe zones. The US has their DEMC and FSA MaT mercs ready to seize the entire Syrian/Iraqi border, and they can't be bothered with pesky Russian or Syrian aircraft interfering with that land-grab.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 11 2018 19:04 utc | 131

@113 thanks for your response
Maybe I'm being pessimistic in the face of an overblown, orchestrated show of force. I just base my predictions on previous actions by the Western coalition. I think the Scottish philosopher David Hume emphasized as much when it came to constant conjunction.

Posted by: aaaa | Apr 11 2018 19:04 utc | 132

Libya vs Syria

8 years ago, Russia was just in the process of fixing the basket case
she had become in 1992. Her power had not yet been restored as is the case
now.

Also, the internal situation was not what it is now with a just reelected popular
President.

Russia may assert herself now. She was not yet as well wed with China and Iran.

A good parrallel could be the rise of Germany from 1933 to 1939. From ashes to glory.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 11 2018 19:12 utc | 133

Mattis: US 'still assessing' suspected Syria chemical weapons attack
Defense Secretary James Mattis said Wednesday that the United States and its allies were "still assessing" reports of a chemical weapons attack in Syria, and that they are working on options to respond.
“We’re still assessing the intelligence, ourselves and our allies. We’re still working on this,” Mattis told reporters at the Pentagon prior to meeting with defense officials from the Netherlands. . .here

That's a good sign (so far).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 19:13 utc | 134

@ PavewayIV with his scenario on the Syria battle plan of empire

Thanks...I don't like what you say but will accept its potential because of your contacts. I don't think the Western coalition will be successful but can't say why.....more of a hope

I am beginning to think this situation is like an iceberg with only a bit showing and tons existing below the surface.......I will ask again....what is China doing during this bullying of its neighbor?

In a way I am glad to see this crisis developing and hope that it resolves the centuries long cancer of private finance in our social contract.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2018 19:15 utc | 135

@134
Perhaps Mattis read Pat Lang's plea: An appeal to James Mattis

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 19:17 utc | 136

In November a 'blue wave' will sweep up Congress for Clintonites, soon after which Trump will be impeached.

Russia + US friends are organizing a preemptive WW3 lightshow to establish facts between your ears, as in, a new Cold War.

Why?

Because the War on Terror advantages the Clintonite Deep State 'Octopus' crime family; best to have a new Cuban Missile Crisis now rather than chance an uncontrolled scenario under Pence.

I'm not sure how the show will play out but certainly both Russia and it's US 'partners' will achieve their desired goals including the strengthening of large nation states as against the medievil multipolar NWO preffered by the Transnational Zionist elite and which Tillerson was working hard to create before he was fired via the same twitter account now being used to play up the drama in this spirit of the WWF.

Posted by: C I eh? | Apr 11 2018 19:19 utc | 137

NemesisCalling @71, Circe @66

Libya is a huge lesson for both Russia and China for their believing the perfidious AZ's preaching of high moral and of law and order. Since then on Rrussia and China are not afraid to use their UN veto rights to fight against the treacherous US/UK/Fr.

Syria is surely a very important part of Russia's long term strategy, i.e. its navy base in E. Mediterranrean, for such a foodhold in warm see water had Russia Empire fought quite a few wars, gas and oil business, grain export to ME.

There is no doubt Russia will defend its interest in Syria, but at price will it be willing to pay?

That's why I talk about "vital national interests" , for which Russia will not hesitate for a second to sacrify tens of thousands, millions or even tens of millions of Russian lives, such as Chechen War, Stalingrad War.

19.10.1950 China sent hundreds of thousands of soliers with rudiment weapons, almost no air support and even no adequate winter uniform to fight against so-called UN Army consisting of 23 countries (US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/Turkey/Netherlands/Belgium/S. Africa,etc.). It succeeded in pushing away US Army from Chinese-Korean border to the 38th parallel with 366,145 death and injured from Chinese Army.

I am sure the brave Syrian Army and Syrian people are and will be fighting for their motherland until the last drop blood as they have been doing for the past 7 years. With Russian soliders embedded in SAA, S-400 and Russian Navy are on high alert, any strikes US & Co want to make against Syria, they have to think of the possible consequence of their fatal self-destruction.

Take a look at what Bakerpete @68 wrote about Sun Tzu: The fundamental strategies of Sun Tzu are 1). a leader must look after and improve his own people first, 2). leading an opponent to defeat himself is the very best outcome and 3). whether victorious or not open combat should be regarded as a failure.

psychohistorian @60

From what I read China has been and is doing:

- Standing firmly with Russia by voting for Russian proposal to investigate the CW and negating US proposal.

- Showing solidarity by public announcing the close cooperation and realtionship between Chinese Army and Russian Army by Chinese Defensve Minister. This may sound nothing to your Westerners b/c you are used to Western policians' grandstanding, believe me this kind bold statement from a top Chinese Minister is very seldom. It really means something.

- Supporting Russian economy by continuousy investing hundreds of billions in Russia companies and importing Russian products as well as pouring tourists to Russia to counter the severe economic sanctions imposed on Russia. (Economic sanction itself is actually another form of hybird war.)

- Supplying Syria with food and other urgently needed aids as well as medical needs, for example 1,000 tons food directly delivered to Tartus, 500 tons to Lebanon for Syrian refugees.

- Providing support in education, medical cooperation and economic development, some are already under going.

Western MSM does report this kind of information because MSM want to bury it to leave you with the impression that 1). Russia is alone/isolated in this whole Syrian war issues; 2). to portrait China as selfish/heartless/not caring; 3) to disheaten the supporters of resistence to the AZ Empire, a typical divide and rule tatics.

Since the time of Mao, China has always been a vocal and firm supporter of the liberation movement of ME people, esp. Palestinians.

Posted by: mali | Apr 11 2018 19:28 utc | 138

CC @91

Amen... I take comfort in that too

Even so, I wouldn't be adverse to an earlier "judgement" for those truly evil characters...

Posted by: xLemming | Apr 11 2018 19:31 utc | 139

@99 karlof1.. i don't really agree with garries run down on that.. i tend to see it more like @109 wj..

@102 kalen... global 'nuke' war... no.. i don't see that either, but that is not what i was referring to in your post or my response @72.. if the west attacks syria here, russia will respond.. i am saying that.. i don't see it getting to nuclear just yet... i pray that doesn't ever happen, but this is a lead up towards it..

@106 Emily Dickinson.. the partners on the ground are probably none other then the white helmets.. they would be given sanction by the west.. it is another aspect of the propaganda industry to infiltrate and become part of organizations like 'health cluster'... that is my guess.. ditto @109 wj post here as well.. @120 petri answers this definitely.. thanks petri..

@114 chris... kinda how i see it - especially your last line.

@118 may and the turkish leadership have lost all credibility...

@119 piotr and jr - that is a good idea, lol..

@123 timothy... my best suggestion would be to target israel with a one off.. they have hit syria and continue to be very central to this ongoing bullshite..

@131 paveway.. thanks... your post is logical and factual... i suppose we will find out soon enough how this is going to move forward... israel is a plague on the planet at this point, if that wasn't already obvious..


Posted by: james | Apr 11 2018 19:36 utc | 140

It is long passed the time when any thinking person took Trump-Tweets seriously. Trump, himself doesn’t take them seriously and considers them as ‘negotiating tactics’. Remember the tweets: “Fire & Fury the World has Never Seen Before”, “Little Rocket Man” and “Bigger Nuclear Button”, which then ushered in the prospect of a meeting between Trump and Kim Jong Un?
This latest Trump-Tweet about “Russia to be ready for new, smart missiles raining down on Syria” is also a negotiating ploy and to save face. Stock markets, even in this volatile times, have hardly budged, and the gold price is where it has been for the past year.
There will probably be a well-restricted cruise missile attack on some Syrian-Iranian base with Russia pre-warned. The long-promised meeting between Trump and Putin will emerge in the news to discuss the future of Syria. Trump’s desire to pull out of Syria will then come about naturally and as the result of consultations with Putin.

Posted by: Aren Haich | Apr 11 2018 19:38 utc | 141

The US military operational chain of command runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense to the Combatant Commanders. In this case it is: Trump--Mattis--Votel.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 19:40 utc | 142

Open letter to the dipshits who are planning to nuke each other....

Just get on with it, please. Im sick of waiting for the inevitable. Every day, doom porn. Im over it. Just stop talking shit, and nuke each other already. Or else shut up and go home. For fucks sake, this shit is gonna give me an ulcer, its like Im stuck in traffic that has slowed down because they think theres gonna be an accident, and don't wanna miss the potential carnage, and all I wanna do is get home. If the US and EU are such suicidal idiots, they deserve it. Whoever sets this off, it doesn't matter, you all die, leaving me to my rural southern hemisphere subtropical peace. Its Darwinism 101. As much as I like you all, you've had it coming for a while. Slaughtering each other like fucking animals for centuries, blaming everybody else, and pissing on the rest of us while trying to convince us its rain. Keep your pipelines, your WMDs and your ridiculous elections. Keep your Houses of "Lords", your apeshit crazy senates, and your "democracies". Im ready to kick back and watch them all get vaporized by your fear and insatiable greed, to watch your "smart" bombs land on your own fucking heads. All I ask is just please, for goodness sake, leave us poor third world fuckers out of it. Weve seen enough...
Thanks

Posted by: dan | Apr 11 2018 19:49 utc | 143

Syria news:
>11 Apr. Russia issued a NOTAM* to close an area next to Syrian territorial waters to conduct missile exercises on 11-12, 17-19 and 25-26 April, 10.00- 18.00 Moscow time. Opponent's unauthorized strikes shall be planned accordingly.
>Russian military police will be deployed in Douma from 12 Apr. . .here

*NOTAM -- A Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) is a notice filed with an aviation authority to alert aircraft pilots of potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the safety of the flight. - wiki

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 19:52 utc | 144

Drop in Iranian Currency 2018

Iran also needs to decouple it’s currency from dollar.
The current sudden dramatic drop in Iranian currency versus the dollar is probably due to active intervention by Saudi Arabia and US, under the rule of General PlayStation Muhammad Bin Salman and Trump, dumping Iranian currency and shorting the market, the same way that Soros did against the Pound.

Muhatir Muhammad addressed a similar run in Malaysian currency more than a decade and a half ago, by going against the IMF & World Bank recommendations. He blocked the access to Malaysian market to the Western economies.

The solution is to completely block any purchase of non-essential goods from ALL Western countries, including the Europeans, where lots of US companies are stack holders anyway. Iran does not need Gucci, Mercedes not Levi’s jeans.

It is time to drive up the cost for the aggressors in the Middle-East. This can be done through minimal investment by Iran, through coordination with regional countries by embargoing ISAF in Afghanistan & US occupation forces in Northern Iraq and Syria.

Just block the oil product sales through Iranian border to ISAF in Afghanistan and coordinate with Russia and Pakistan (Trump was putting pressure in them, they can have their payback time now) and tax essential goods that are meant for Kurdistan heavily.

Blockage does not have to be physical entirely. Anyone purchasing fuel in Afghanistan from Iran, Pakistan and Russia, has to pay a premium. Essential goods export to Kurdistan should be heavily tarriffed by Iran, Iraq and Turkey as they have a common enemy.

In order to avoid causing suffering for the regular Afghans & Kurds, that premium should be directly reinjected in local currency back in the the local economy. By providing subsidies to local population via their local mosques, their purchasing power will be maintained and the price of goods for ISAF and JSOC will be driven up further as they will have competition from the locals for scares products.

The RICHIS ALLIANCE (Russia, Iran, China, Hezbollah, Iraq & Syria) alliance ,”through shear luck”, could short the oil market when Kurdish and Saudi/UAE oil facilities, get distorted. As it would happen some Yemeni resistance fighters” and a couple of dozens “disaffected Arab with “homemade” ballistic missiles. Suddenly we would discover that, the Yemenis have also had a “sudden indigenous industrial brakethrough” and (;-) would have bought a few over the counter drones and made makeshift “Plastic Submarines” in the sheds in villages and would have hit Ras Al Tanura, Yanbu, Dhahran,... in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea.

Incidentally a dozen of “disaffected former Arab-members of SDF” would happen burn down a few dozens of oil rigs and all the pumping stations (the latter is MUCH much more difficult, expensive and if done properly impossible to repair. Try making industrial oil pumps and transport them through “friendly” neighboring areas around the Occupied Syrian Territory) in North-East Syria above the Euphrates. They would by shear luck happen to distroy these facilities with “TNT sticks, hammers and iron bars” ;-) at the same time.

Obviously RICIS condemn these acts of terrorism that has lead to environmental pollution ;-) and deny any responsibility ;-) .

Posted by: Amir | Apr 11 2018 19:59 utc | 145

It was a week ago today that Turkey, Iran and Russia met in Ankara to discuss ending the Syria conflict. While the three leaders differ on overall strategies they agree on opposing Washington.

What were the outcomes of the Ankara summit? According to Kerim Has, a Moscow State University lecturer, the most concrete and clear result of the summit was the emphasis of all sides on Syria’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity. It's clear that neither the negotiators nor the forces on the ground will accept the creation of a sovereign patch in Syria under Ankara’s control. . .here

How can the US get back in the picture? Perhaps some bombs and missiles might work? Not really. In fact it will backfire.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 20:05 utc | 146

Pave @ 131 I have the same assessment

The Major false flag hasnt happened YET...

a major war could get started by accident, with this much hardcore hardware all in a very small area...

The Zionists, saudis, hezbollah, iran and others could start it up by shooting at each other in pre-emptory attacks...

regards

OY

Posted by: oldenyoung | Apr 11 2018 20:06 utc | 147

WJ @104

Regarding Greenwald, this professor from Lebanon University Amal Saad succinctly summarise it nicely:

When white leftist/liberal intellectuals think they’re woke for rejecting US strikes on Syria but insist on qualifying this rejection w/reminders of Assad’s brutal use of chemical weapons, are legitimizing the pretexts for war & then asking us to be grateful they tried to stop it.

Posted by: mali | Apr 11 2018 20:11 utc | 148

B, it's really refreshing and informative to read Moon of Alabama. I am impressed by your readership and the great article that are written. The readership impress me as being aware of the seriousness of the situation between the USA and Russia and what is about to occur in Syria. Unfortunately, our mainstream news media is continuing to perpetuate the propaganda that is manufactured by the US Department of State.

Posted by: AEW | Apr 11 2018 20:35 utc | 149

Oh yes, thank you for your integrity and courage.

Posted by: AEW | Apr 11 2018 20:36 utc | 150

Trump's presidency as an independent entity is over - he has been checkmated by what is loosely known as the "deep state" through the unprecedented raids on his attorney. From this point forward he will do exactly as he is told, as a figurehead, or he will be destroyed (assuming his outright removal from office will be held back as a nuclear option, based on its potential to create unrest amongst the population). Nothing like this has been seen since JFK's presidency was abruptly "cancelled" in 1963. Former CIA chief John Brennan predicted these raids three and a half weeks ago with a tweet (which was also an unprecedented personal attack on a sitting president by a former top official): “When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America... America will triumph over you.”

A mythos has been carefully structured since the Bush 2 presidency about the president as an awesome figure known as the Commander-In Chief, who presumes enormous responsibility and holds the fate of nations in his/her hands. On Monday, the federal police force of the USA decided to raid the Commander-In-Chief's personal attorney at the exact moment he was beginning a meeting with the top military brass over a serious international crisis, undermining his authority at a potentially crucial moment. This should automatically trigger serious cognitive dissonance among alert Americans - but I doubt it will.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 11 2018 20:45 utc | 151

The BBC actually had a TV program on World War 3 in response to the stupid tweets.

http://theduran.com/trump-draws-back-on-criticism-of-russia/

Posted by: Les | Apr 11 2018 20:47 utc | 152

Petri Krohn @ 120

Moscow: WHO must clarify sources behind statement on 500 victims in Douma

The diplomat added that under Russian pressure, the WHO said that the sources they received the information from were not based in Syria. Instead, the information came from the Turkish city of Gaziantep , “which explains why we have serious reservations about” the source, the diplomat said.

Shame on WHO!

Posted by: mali | Apr 11 2018 20:48 utc | 153

james @140--

I replied to WJ's response to my 99 with additional commentary, but it seems it got lost in the cloud/ether, which is too bad. PWIV's scenario certainly isn't out of the question; but if he could imagine it, so can Russians. EU/NATO's far from united given Italy's new government and Orban's re-election in Hungary, and Merkel's anti-Russia stance in untenable politically. The vast majority of the world looks on in horror and amazement at the Outlaw US Empire's grasping at straws to bolster its failing Unipolarism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2018 20:51 utc | 154

Say...what?
Gasbag UK ambassador invokes Karl Marx against Russia, peddling Douma gas hoax (VIDEO)
http://theduran.com/gasbag-uk-ambassador-invokes-karl-marx-against-russia-peddling-douma-gas-hoax/

Woman looks like she's been at a halloween party, and marx? What?

Posted by: test | Apr 11 2018 20:59 utc | 156

Don Bacon @134,

Which just goes to show how stupidly barbarous Theresa May is. She is "ready" to have the U.K. join the air strike in response to an alleged chemical attack the truth of which is still being "assessed" by the U.S. Either Mattis is speaking out of turn, hoping somehow to delay what has already been decided, or May has AGAIN extended herself too far.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2018 21:04 utc | 157

WJ

Of course one shouldnt believe that the situtaion "being assessed", that is of course propaganda, US are ready to strike, everything else being written is meant to decieve the reader, Syria, Russia.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 11 2018 21:11 utc | 158

@131 PWIV Yes a very clear and tin-foil less assessment I'm afraid.
@150 jayc Well said but for the blackmail to work, the intel community needs something real juicy. We dont know what was found..


Posted by: Lozion | Apr 11 2018 21:17 utc | 159

@ Emily Dickenson 106

The WHO says 500 people reached "medical centers" with symptoms of exposure to chemicals.

What does MEDICAL CENTERS mean? If they're brick-and-mortar clinics with names, fact checking should be easy.

The only hospital in Douma received no people with symptoms of exposure to chemicals, so what other "medical centers" exist in the immediate area?

Posted by: MarkMosby | Apr 11 2018 21:18 utc | 160

They will "assess" the chemical attack right up until the USS Truman strike group is in position...

Posted by: oldenyoung | Apr 11 2018 21:18 utc | 161

WJ, Ano: The meaning of analysis and assessment are misconstrued by some, e.g. pulling stuff from an a....

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 11 2018 21:22 utc | 162

"Assess" is to deceive and surprise further.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 11 2018 21:22 utc | 163

It is long passed the time when any thinking person took Trump-Tweets seriously. Trump, himself doesn’t take them seriously and considers them as ‘negotiating tactics’. Remember the tweets: “Fire & Fury the World has Never Seen Before”, “Little Rocket Man” and “Bigger Nuclear Button”, which then ushered in the prospect of a meeting between Trump and Kim Jong Un?
This latest Trump-Tweet about “Russia to be ready for new, smart missiles raining down on Syria” is also a negotiating ploy and to save face. It is not the start of a big war with Russia. Stock markets, even in these volatile times, have hardly budged, and the gold price is where it has been for the past year.
There will probably be a well-restricted cruise missile attack on some Syrian-Iranian base with Russia pre-warned. The long-promised meeting between Trump and Putin will emerge in the news to discuss the future of Syria. Trump’s desire to pull out of Syria will then come about naturally and as the result of consultations with Putin.

Posted by: Aren Haich | Apr 11 2018 21:23 utc | 164

@WJ 156
CNN:
A final decision on how to respond to the weekend's chemical attack in Syria had not yet been made when Trump issued his tweet, the White House said later on Wednesday.
"We're maintaining that we have a number of options and all those options are still on the table. Final decisions haven't been made yet," press secretary Sarah Sanders said. "The President has a number of options at his disposal and all of those options remain on the table.". .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 21:31 utc | 165

Tucker Carslon of Faux Newz (of all people) provided the sanest consideration of the alleged chemical weapons attack in Douma.


Posted by: Daniel | Apr 11 2018 21:32 utc | 166

@Aren Haich 163
That makes sense to me.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 21:33 utc | 167

@165 Interestingly enough, Trump being a Fox fan, He must've seen Carlson's broadcast. May explain the dithering..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 11 2018 21:36 utc | 168

Thank you, @mali 152. The linked story on WHO sources has the Russians asking the right questions and drawing the reasonable inferences. I hope I'm not breaking any rule by extracting the relevant text after the link:

https://www.rt.com/news/423862-who-statement-flawed-sources/

The statement released by the World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday cited “Health Cluster partners” as the source of the information, which the UN body called a source of serious concern. Moscow believes that, considering the controversy surrounding Douma, the WHO has to clarify who those sources were exactly.

“According to our information, those partners are no one else than representatives of the notorious White Helmets group,” Gennady Gatilov, Russian envoy to the Geneva offices of the United Nations, told journalists.

“We asked the WHO to name those partners, the hospitals where the alleged 500 patients were treated, report who counted that number, who diagnosed them and so on,” he said, adding that the WHO staff “failed to provide detailed information to substantiate the claims in the statement.”

The diplomat added that under Russian pressure, the WHO said that the sources they received the information from were not based in Syria. Instead, the information came from the Turkish city of Gaziantep, “which explains why we have serious reservations about” the source, the diplomat said.

“There is only one operational hospital in Douma now. All the others are no longer operational,” Gatilov stated. “We cannot exclude that the WHO leadership had been pressured by some Western powers, which are interested in escalating the tension over Syria.”

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Apr 11 2018 21:40 utc | 169

Sanders destroyed the movement that could’ve opposed this rush to war.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11 2018 21:49 utc | 170

Does anyone here know what the Russian people think how there government should respond to an a US attack in Syria? Scanning through the news channels here in the US today reminded me of the build up to the Iraq war. Everyone was pro military action, no discussion of a false flag attack is permitted.
As a 65 yr old American it seems we are closer to WW3 than we were during the Cuban missile crisis.

Posted by: El Cartero Atómico | Apr 11 2018 21:52 utc | 171

@170
This is a long way from the Iraq war with its 46-member coalition of the willing, to affect invasion, occupation and regime change.
Here they want to send a "signal" to the Syrian president to change his "behavior," and exactly what to do is being discussed based upon some analysis of what actually happened. There are some adults involved in this.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2018 22:01 utc | 172


Checkmate!

The only recourse to avoid WW3, Putin warn Trump again not to strike Syria. If US, UK, France and Germany strike Syria and Putin remain inaction. US, NATO EU will continue Russiagates.

In the meantime:

"There Wasn't A Single Corpse": Russia Claims 'White Helmets' Staged Syria Chemical Attack
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/there-wasnt-single-corpse-russia-claims-white-helmets-staged-syria-chemical-attack

Putin Urges Israel Not To Take Action In Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/israel-vows-wipe-assad-map-if-iran-launches-attack-syrian-territory

Theresa May Ready To Join Syria Strike Without Seeking Parliamentary Approval
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/theresa-may-ready-join-syria-strike-without-seeking-parliamentary-approval

UK Moves Submarines Next To Syria, Strikes May Begin As Soon As Thursday
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/may-moves-uk-submarines-within-striking-distance-syria

Trump Will Make Decision On Syria Strike Tonight: BBG
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/trump-wont-order-military-strike-against-syria-wednesday-bbg

11 Russian Warships Leave Syrian Port To Conduct Exercises
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/stocks-spike-russian-warships-leave-syrian-waters

Posted by: OJS | Apr 11 2018 22:05 utc | 173

Either Yulia Skripal is being held in what is effectively a black site or she is long dead:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/

Posted by: WJ | Apr 11 2018 22:14 utc | 174

@172: Geez, I suppose on a long enough timeline the survival rate for multiple sources drops to zero.. /sarc

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 11 2018 22:20 utc | 175

I think Putin figured out long ago that Mike Pence will be the degenerate in charge of the USA for WW III - he was made for the job. Trump was just the temporary placeholder 'allowed' by the deep state. He's not in charge of anything - never was.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 11 2018 22:22 utc | 176

This is looking a bit like Trump's build up for an attack on NK. Also like the choreographed strike last April. A lot of machinations here on the part of UK, Israel, and the US neo-cons for a US attack on Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 22:24 utc | 177

Aren Haich @ 163 beat me to what I was going to say, that Donald Trump's tweets need not be taken all that seriously. They may just be his way of letting off steam. (That's assuming those tweets are actually his to begin with.)

I don't think Russia needs all that much help with its economy. The country's agricultural sector revived after US and EU sanctions were applied in 2014 and in 2016 and 2017 Russia recorded record wheat harvests. It is now poised to become the world's foremost wheat exporter by the end of June 2018 and Indonesia is switching away from buying Australian wheat to buying Russian wheat as its quality improves.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-12-05/russia-moves-into-australian-grain-markets/9226484

Deloittes also just published a review of manufacturing in Russia. Go to this link to download a PDF version of the review:
https://www2.deloitte.com/ru/en/pages/manufacturing/articles/overview-of-manufacturing-industry-in-Russia.html#latest

Posted by: Jen | Apr 11 2018 22:29 utc | 178

@173 Yulia has "specially trained officers available to her" so nothing to worry about there.

I'm more worried about Boris. He's been a bit quiet lately.

Has he been sedated? Or maybe he's off somewhere practising his Churchill speech.

Posted by: dh | Apr 11 2018 22:32 utc | 179

Comment thread by Magnier. Syria military believes the main missile attack will come from its land borders and US occupied Syria, not the sea.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984140788719325184.html

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 22:49 utc | 180

@ 143 Dan

Thanks for summarizing how I’m sure many of us feel and giving me a laugh. It looks like it’s on for Thursday night so we can forget tonight. What none of us know is how Russia will react. We know Vladimir Putin (and Lavrov) are cautious in their strategies and minimalist in providing just enough resources to get a job done as we have seen in Ukraine and Syria. Essentially, Vladimir Putin is happiest as a stealth operator, which is the background he comes from. Crimea is retaken and the US cannot pick up even a hint of radio or other communication. The silent op freaks them out. A few dozen innocuous looking planes show up in Syria and manage to turn around the war. Mr Stealth in person.

At the same time there is the Chechnya no-holds-barred side to Mr Putin. But hostile analysts will have convinced themselves that Chechnya is in Russia, therefore subject to different rules than an international scenario. So the thinking may have been to deprive Mr Putin of his stealth and take him out into the open where he may not feel so comfortable and hence start to negotiate to their advantage. But that neglects the fact that stealth was the best option for Russia at the time.

Posted by: Lochearn | Apr 11 2018 22:52 utc | 181

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5605357/British-special-forces-soldiers-captured-Syria-Irans-official-news-agency-reports.html

Interesting that this appearedin a mainstream UK newspaper. Propaganda? or something else?

Posted by: Kaiama | Apr 11 2018 22:53 utc | 182

I will ask again....what is China doing during this bullying of its neighbor?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11, 2018 3:15:16 PM | 135
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It is always amazing to see people like you, who have obviously become awoken from the Western MSM propaganda brainwash but yet happily swallow ever bits of MSM's spoon-fed dis-/misinformation about China without bating an eyelid!

Do you know China has settled down its borders with 12 of her 14 neighbours? Take a look of the land that "bully" China has finally settled for:


Afghanistan - 0%
Tajikistan - 4%
Nepal - 6%
Burma - 18%
Kazakhstan - 22%
Mongolia - 29%
Kyrgyzstan - 32%
North Korea - 40%
Laos - 50%
Vietnam - 50%
Russia - 50%
Pakistan - 54%

Now the only two with border issues with China are Bhutan and India:

- Bhutan, a nominal suzerainty to India, is not allowed by its Master India to sign the final Bhutan-China Border Agreement due to India's selfish national needs. FYI, Bhuta is also prohibited to establish official diplomatic relation with China due to India's objection.

To all within and outside Bhutan and India the truth of Bhutan- India Relation Status.

- Inida is not willing to settle for anything less than by taking all the borders (McMahon Line and Simla Accord) illegaly drawn and initiated by the forever perfidious British, which no Chinese governments, however weak it was, ever recognized and accepted.

To inform yourself and de-dis/misinform about China is bullying its neighbours, please take a look at the followings written by a rational Bhutanese, Indian and American:

- The Doklam Standoff between China and India is more complex that what is made to appear.

- The Strategy behind India's Doklam transgression: Here is the Ugliness.

- The Sino-Indian Border dispute: You Scratch my Back, But I Won’t Scratch yours

- A Brief History of the Sino-Indian Border Dispute and the role of Tibet

- Who Is the Biggest Aggressor in the South China Sea? In the past 20 years, Vietnam has doubled its holdings in the South China Sea.

Sorry for the off-topic long post. Just hope it provides some neccessary info. to some ignorant readers here.

Posted by: mali | Apr 11 2018 22:58 utc | 183

@180 Yes stealth. And maskirovka..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 11 2018 23:00 utc | 184

1. Where is Pence?
2. Trump and Putin were both put in power by Chabad, which is officially leaderless. Who crafts and executes the plan, or did Rebbe Schneersohn leave it as his Will? Black Swan Fedora?
3. 100 years and counting since Jacob Schiff's minions, Trotsky and other savage Jews, murdered Russia. But it Rises like Rasputin! Ra's Putin! Cabalist numerology is consumed with dread now. If only Russia could be destroyed again, perhaps Zio-Dumpty would not fall. Let's see 2018, 1+8 makes 9, add the 2 we get 11. Omentum! But the 0. An egg to hatch, what flies forth?
4. The Zios took out Fukushima with a thumb drive. 42 identical plants in the US.

Posted by: mireille | Apr 11 2018 23:01 utc | 185

@Kaiama, the British and any western force are fools to think they can attack Syria on the ground.

They must believe their own propaganda the the SAA is a paper tiger or that Western trained soldiers are superior to any force in the M.E. The only hope they have is to bomb them from the air or with stand off weapons. The SAA, Hezbollah, and IRGC are not the Saudis, they are real soldiers.

https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/1-17.jpg?x22691

Freakin' morons, I wish I could say I feel sorry for them but I'd be lying.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 11 2018 23:07 utc | 186

In total, 165,123 people exited East Ghouta pocket among them 20,398 militants and 38,133 members of their families

Again the same exageration of numbers of people trapped in E.Ghouta.

Posted by: mali | Apr 11 2018 23:11 utc | 187

Jen, the wheat article shows the way Australia is going. we rely on mining and agriculture for exports but we are busy alienating our market which is Asia pacific. Wont be long before we are just an isolated colonial outpost and forward military base for the US.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 23:16 utc | 188

@Jen
An article at The Conversation on our governments mentality towards China.
https://theconversation.com/response-to-rumours-of-a-chinese-military-base-in-vanuatu

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 23:20 utc | 189

Any more news on the OPCW inspection team?

Last I heard they were due into Syria on Saturday.

Once they are in place then Trump will have to wait: a rush to judgement in the absence of any evidence is one thing - you can sell that as being "manly" - but a rush to judgement WHILE THE EVIDENCE IS BEING COLLECTED is impossible to justify.

So he either attacks before Saturday (proof that he knows it is a false flag) or the attack will become dependent upon the OPCW's report.

Interesting times. I suspect he'll attack before the OPCW team arrives. But maybe not. Maybe not.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 11 2018 23:28 utc | 190

Even the American Conservative Association is calling for a pause to examine the evidence first, which presently comprises a video made by a deeply compromised NGO unit
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trumps-rush-to-judgement-on-syria-chemical-attack/

Posted by: Bill | Apr 11 2018 23:30 utc | 191

My take is that the Ghouta theatre was heavily populated by US and UK special forces which were decimated by pinpoint Russian bombing, the rest having to flee on buses in disguise. Furious retribution and the loss of their last chance to unseat Assad is the reason.

Posted by: Bill | Apr 11 2018 23:34 utc | 192

I think Ghouta was important as a place to launch demoralizing attacks against the Capital. Ultimately, the West hoped to win a vote. Now, after the fall of Ghouta, we hear exasperated cries that “there is no political solution” in Syria.

Ghouta also tied down large numbers of Syrian fighters. Now that these fighters are freed, they can move to liberate other areas.

Ghouta May have also had some value for snooping on and jamming communications.

The notion that a military campaign might’ve been launched from Ghouta seems rather unrealistic.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 11 2018 23:48 utc | 193

In other news, Princess Ivanka heading for Peru, apparently. Something about empowering women or some such. Never keep the queen and king too close when the game gets rough.

Anyone else feel as though the Skripal scenario lends cred to the increased likelihood that a chem attack could happen in New York or Washington?

Posted by: Stumpy | Apr 11 2018 23:49 utc | 194

It's now 0530 Thursday morning in Moscow and Damascus after what appears a quiet night. Pro-Syria Twitter is rather silent as are the several news outlets. Given Wednesday, what today brings is unpredictable outside of the continuing SAA work against several terrorist enclaves. Syrian and Russian ASW assets will get busy finding those subs they haven't located yet. Perhaps they'll actively ping a few to put a scare into their crews. Will sailors on USS Donald Cook take reasonable action and compose their last wills and testaments? Is that pointless as it's unlikely anything will be remain to bequeath, nor are heirs likely to remain either. Boom, Boom , Out go the lights. Will the Joint Chiefs of Staff decide they want to enjoy their pensions instead of being vaporized? The Russians are hardened, steadfast and ready for the Existential War; Euroamericans most certainly are not. Perhaps Syria will introduce its NATO/GCC/Zionist prisoners and show the caches of chemical weapons and manufacturing equipment. Much will happen while the Outlaw US Empire's Metropole sleeps. What will we awaken to?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2018 23:50 utc | 195

i am going to go out on a limb and say i don't believe any attack will happen soon.. if anything happens i think april 24th is close to the time it will happen... and if that date passes, i think it is unlikely to happen in the way it is being anticipated at present..

Posted by: james | Apr 12 2018 0:03 utc | 196

Sounds like Russia is negotiating with the US military to help the US attack Syria without hitting Russians. If the report is true, this means that Russia is now complicit with the attack on its supposed ally Syria. Russia didn't just roll over. Russia switched sides. Of course the Putin apologists will justify this up and down. There is no justifying it. If the reports are anywhere near correct, Russia has now signed onto the attack against Syria.

Posted by: paul | Apr 12 2018 0:08 utc | 197

James @195. I agree with you. I am standing on that same limb.

Posted by: MikeA | Apr 12 2018 0:09 utc | 198

6,000,000 dead gassed children. So it is said, so shall history books be written.

"We had to start WW3 because of those 6,000,000 dead children. It was our moral duty. We were heros. Assad and Putin were going to gas isreel then the whole planet. We truly were the greatest generation. "

- Memoirs of a WW3 survivor - 2050
bbc bell pottinger productions

Posted by: normal | Apr 12 2018 0:19 utc | 199

paul@196 - do you want a lot of people dead (more than already have died)? We have no idea what they are talking about. We have no idea what the Russians and Syrians have to offer if they are talking - there are claims that they have captured western soldiers for instance. We should be happy there is talking and not shooting for at least another day. If shooting does start it could easily spin out of control - and then it wouldn't matter what was being discussed, for anyone.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 12 2018 0:22 utc | 200

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