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April 19, 2018

Syria - Who Is Stalling The OPCW Investigation In Douma?

Why has the fact finding mission (FFM)of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) not visited Douma?

The OPCW inspectors are held up by the United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) which has a say about any movement of UN aligned organizations in areas that might be dangerous. The UNDSS is led by an Australian police / intelligence officer. The holdup seems to be intended.

On Sunday April 8 videos were published of an alleged 'chemical attack' in Douma near Damascus. At that time the area was under control of Jaish al-Islam, a Salafi terrorist organization financed by Saudi Arabia. The various videos from terrorist supporters like the 'White Helmets' were unconvincing. They showed obviously arranged scenes of an alleged 'barrel bomb' and manipulated bodies of dead children that had been moved and decorated with shaving foam to superficially fit the claims of a 'chemical incident'. Another video showed people in a hospital being doused with water for no apparent reason.

An often quoted opposition news outlet, the Syrian Observatory in Britain, denied that a 'chemical attack' had happened. It reported on April 8 of suffocation after a shelter collapsed due to bombing:

[I]n among the casualties there are 21 civilians including 9 children and 3 women were killed as a result of suffocation caused by the shelling which destroyed basements of houses as a result of the violence bombardment that stopped about an hour ago on Douma area.

The 'chemical incident' was likely faked. It suspiciously happened just a few days after U.S. President Trump had announced the he wanted the U.S. military to leave Syria. A year earlier a similar incident was claimed to have happened after a similar announcement by Trump. The U.S. had responded to the 2017 incident by bombing an empty Syrian airfield.

A day after the incident the Salafi terrorists of Jaish al-Islam gave up and left the area under a ceasefire deal arranged with the help of the Russian military in Syria. The ceasefire deal does not allow the Syrian army to enter the area, only the Russian military police is allowed.

Russian military police immediately entered the area and investigated the house where, allegedly, people were killed by 'chemical weapons'. They found no evidence that such an event had taken place. The Syrian government asked the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical aWeapons (OPCW) to investigate the case.

Many international news teams have since visited the area where the incident allegedly took place. The also visited the field hospital shown in one of the opposition videos. Doctors at that hospital deny (vid) that any patient of theirs had been affected by a chemical attack. The cases they had seen had breathing difficulties caused by the inhalation of dust thrown up through exploding bombs and artillery. Alleged 'victims' shown in the hospital video claim (vid) they were paid to perform.

The regime-change shills are denying that any claims of the hospital staff working in the now government controlled Douma could be true. Medics are liars, unless they are controlled by Jihadis. See for example this shoddy propaganda piece by the Guardian: Syrian medics 'subjected to extreme intimidation' after Douma attack by Martin Chulov in Beirut and Kareem Shaheen in Istanbul.


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The piece begins:

The head of the largest medical relief agency in Syria claims that medics who responded to the suspected gas attack in Douma have been subjected to “extreme intimidation” by Syrian officials who seized biological samples, forced them to abandon patients and demanded their silence.

Now look at the picture. It shows Syrian Red Crescent personal. The caption is false. It says: "Medics take a wounded man into hospital in Damascus after rockets were fired in Douma on 7 April." The picture is actually from a series published by the Syrian news agency SANA.


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The SANA series is headlined: "Injuries among civilians in Jaish al-Islam mortar attacks on Damascus".

The attack was FROM the terrorists in Douma on civilians in Damascus, not IN Douma as the Guardian insinuates.

The pictured Red Crescent in Syria, founded in 1942, has 1,592 staff and some 6,000 volunteers. It is indeed the "the largest medical relief agency in Syria". But it is not the one the Guardian describes and quotes:

Dr Ghanem Tayara, the director of the Union of Medical Care and Relief Organisations (UOSSM) said doctors responsible for treating patients in the hours after the 7 April attack have been told that their families will be at risk if they offer public testimonies about what took place.

The Union of Medical Care and Relief Organizations was founded in 2012, works from Reyhanli in Turkey and claims to have 600 staff. It consists of the Syrian American Medial Society (SAMS), which is funded by the CIA front USAID and lobbies for regime change in Syria, the British-Syrian Medical Society which only works in 'rebel' held areas, as well as British and U.S. p.o.-box 'charities' which collect donations. SAMS and UOSSM are said to be Muslim Brotherhood fronts.

The Guardian shows a Syrian Red Crescent/Red Cross picture in the context of ridiculous claims made by an organization on the side of the Jihadis. The Syrian Red Crescent has no relation to that organization. UOSSM is misidentified as the largest relief organization in Syria. Its claims are repeated without doubts by Guardian 'journalists' in Turkey and Lebanon to counter interviews and observations made by real journalists on the ground in Douma. The piece and its presentation is bottom fishing by a once reasonable paper. Jonathan Cook has more to say about that shoddy Guardian piece.

On Friday April 13 the OPCW fact finding mission arrived in Damascus. On Saturday France, the U.K and the United States, (FUKUS), bombed an agricultural and medical research center in Damascus as well as two Syrian army depots. The attack missed its other targets, a failure the U.S. military attempts to cover up. The attack came despite doubts in the Pentagon and elsewhere about what actually happened. High ranking British military generals have publicly doubted the claims of a Syrian 'chemical attack'.

The suburb where the alleged incident happened is only a few miles away from the center of Damascus. Journalists and camera teams walk all over the place without any protection and freely interview hospital personal. The OPCW has yet to reach the area. It claims that the security is insufficient.

Like other organizations aligned with the United Nations the OPCW is relying on the United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) for intelligence and protection.

Yesterday the Director General of the OPCW Ahmet Üzümcü, a Turkish career diplomat who was earlier Turkey's Permanent Representative to NATO, issued a statement:

On 16 April, we received confirmation from the National Authority of the Syrian Arab Republic that, under agreements reached to allow the evacuation of the population in Ghouta, the Syrian military were unable to enter Douma. The security for the sites where the FFM plans to deploy was under the control of the Russian Military Police. The United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) has made the necessary arrangements with the Syrian authorities to escort the team to a certain point and then for the escort to be taken over by the Russian Military Police. However, the UNDSS preferred to first conduct a reconnaissance visit to the sites, which took place yesterday. FFM team members did not participate in this visit.

On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw. At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus.

(Note: Only about 10% of the population of the Ghouta area to which Douma belongs, the terrorist and their families, were evacuated. Other people have stayed or returned to the now liberated areas.)

No other organization reported of recent shots or explosions in Douma.

Even the New York Times, a staunch defender of the 'opposition' in Syria, wonders about the hold-up but does not bother to answer the question:

[T]he fact that journalists had been able to wander around Douma unmolested raised questions about why it was not deemed safe enough for the investigators to visit.

Why were, allegedly, shots fired at the UN Security team but not on anyone else visiting the area?

If, as the terrorist supporters claim, Chlorine was used in the 'chemical attack', the OSCE investigators are unlikely to find any physical evidence of it. Chlorine dissipates and leaves no unique traces in the dead body. Interviews with local witnesses though could be of value.

One gets the impression that certain circles fear the the OPCW could reach the area, talk to witnesses and confirm the claims made by doctors in the hospital as well as by many journalists that no 'chemical attack' took place. It would expose the attack on Syria as a reckless and unjustified war crime.

The leader of the UNDSS is an Australian police commander:

Mr. Drennan, who from 2009 served as Deputy Commissioner National Security with the Australian Federal Police, brings to the position an extensive career in policing and law enforcement at the community, national and international levels.

Is it possible that a distinguished Australian police commander delays or prevents the OPCW investigation to protect the British and U.S. allies?

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Previous Moon of Alabama posts on the 'chemical attack' in Douma and its consequences.

April 8 - Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme (Update II)
April 9 - Syria - Any U.S. Strike Will Lead to Escalation
April 11 - Syria - A U.S. Attack Would Be Futile - But Serve A Purpose - by M. K. Bhadrakumar
April 11 - Trump Asks Russia To Roll Over - It Won't
April 12 - Syria - Threat Of Large War Recedes But May Come Back
April 13 - Syria - Manipulated Videos Fail To Launch World War III - Updated
April 14 - F.U.K.U.S. Strikes Syria - Who Won?
April 16 - Syria - Pentagon Hides Attack Failure - 70+ Cruise Missiles Shot Down

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@100 I'm starting to think the MSM is running on algorithms. The word Russia or Putin comes up and they print something negative.

Posted by: dh | Apr 19, 2018 4:20:13 PM | 101

i, too, am heartily sick of this.

Posted by: john | Apr 19, 2018 4:21:27 PM | 102

@89
The UN was also leaned on a year ago regarding the supposed sarin attack at Khan Shaykhun. Just as to the Douma case, the OPCW is supposed to only determine substance and not source. So the UN was needed to come up with the specious charge that the US wanted, which is that Syria was responsible for treaty violation. The Guatemalan diplomat Edmond Mulet was appointed to deliver the US-mandated report, and he did.

“There has been sufficient evidence of a credible and reliable nature to make its findings,” said Edmond Mulet, Head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism (OPCW-UN JIM), during a briefing on the entity’s latest findings, released on 26 October.
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/Da’esh) was responsible for using sulfur mustard in a September 2016 attack in Umm Hawsh and the Syrian Government was accountable for the release of sarin in an April 2017 attack in Khan Shaykhun, the head of a Security Council-mandated investigation said Tuesday.
"In-depth laboratory study into the chemistry of sarin has revealed that the nerve gas used was very likely to have been made from the same precursor chemical that had come from the original stockpile of Syria, based on unique markers." . .here

The joint UN-OPCW team was headed by Guatemalan Edmond Mulet who was presumably vulnerable to blackmail because he was once active in child trafficking as described here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2018 4:26:47 PM | 103

With the exception of the mention of Erik Prince's crew, which unless I am mistaken has not been corroborated by prior accounts, this piece in steemit aligns with the Meyssan, Magnier, Sputnik reports that a ground invasion of Damascus from East Ghouta and then Jordan was part of the coordinated operation planned for March but derailed by Russian/SAA intelligence & subsequent rapid clearing of Ghouta.


https://steemit.com/politics/@michaelweddle/
was-there-a-secret-plan-to-invade-damascus

Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 4:34:44 PM | 104

Peter Drennan has been a target of Matthew Russell Lee of Inner City Press, which delivers the dirt on the UN (Lee has the necessary five ton truck).
According to Lee there was a Drennan cover-up on Somalia, here and here. "Exclusive: UN Security's Drennan Also “Buried” Report on Somalia, & Bokova, As UN Condemns Leak to Inner City Press"

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2018 4:45:33 PM | 105

A few days ago (April 14, @314) Bakerpete kindly linked to an article on blogmire.com which discusses the famous Karl Rove quote about how they, the actors, create reality and while we study that reality they have already moved on. A quote from Rob Slane (thank you) from the article:

“Yet while I’m doing so, the narrative is moving on. I’m falling into exactly the trap that Karl and his disciples have laid. They want two sorts of people: those who just blindly accept that it was the Russians wot did it, or that it was Assad wot did it; and those who spend their time asking questions about the official explanations. The first group call the second group conspiracy theorists and nutters. The second group call the first group dumb sheeple. And the Globalist Deep State laughs and laughs and laughs as the two groups battle it out to make sense of what has happened, leaving it free to march on to create the next reality. Truly I tell you, these Bolsheviks have learnt their Hegelian Dialectics well.”

If Rove has set a trap for us, is it a trap we can get out of or avoid falling into in the first place? And if so, how? If Karl Rove wants these two sorts of people, who are the people he doesn’t want because I want to be one of them. Do I try to predict their next fucking move? Instead of waiting for today’s zerohedge article to appear with the headline “Will Armenia Be The Next Victim of Western-backed Regime Change” and thinking I should have guessed that one, maybe I should have been poring over maps, articles weeks, months ago, and gleefully coming up with the solution: the next area of conflict will be Armenia. Take that, Karl Rove. But then what?

Or I could go backwards into history to examine where the real power has always been, how it is wielded, who exactly has wielded it and for what purposes, in order to come up with patterns and likelihoods of future behaviours and realities. That road gets lonelier the further you travel down it, and cold winds there await you.

Posted by: Lochearn | Apr 19, 2018 4:51:05 PM | 106

@ Lochearn 106
re: creating reality
Whenever I'm in danger of "getting wrapped around the axle" or somewhat disoriented on who did what and why and whose version is real, I pull myself back and say that doesn't matter, only simple truth matters. And so I reflect on Thoreau in Concord, 1840:

"Let us settle ourselves, and work and wedge our feet downward through the mud and slush of opinion, and prejudice, and tradition, and delusion, and appearance, that alluvion which covers the globe, through Paris and London, through New York and Boston and Concord, through church and state, through poetry and philosophy and religion, til we come to hard bottom and rocks in place, which we call reality, and say, This is, and no mistake. . "-- Henry David Thoreau, Walden

And then (presumably) the missionaries and salesmen of various causes have little or no effect.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2018 5:04:14 PM | 107

Just a note, I tried to post this on the Syrian civil war subreddit and it gets removed with a "Hello, your submission have been removed. The reason your submission was removed is because the website you linked to is deemed to be an unreliable source of news." message. Yet they publish trash from the Huffington Post and other MSM propaganda outfits. Any word on how or why Moonofalabama got banned from Reddit? Seems like not enough people read it but would be interested to do so yet its censored? What is the point of Reddit if not to share alternative information sources? How does one bypass the censorship?

Posted by: Jason | Apr 19, 2018 5:05:14 PM | 108

Jason @108,

Reddit on these topics is unfortunately a joke as it is a tyranny of mods.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 5:18:51 PM | 109

@108 & 109
Yes, mods. You know they sprang for a low-paying menial job as befits their intelligence level, which is stupid.
Reddit has a long list of rules under reddiquette
for example--
"Read the rules of a community before making a submission. These are usually found in the sidebar."

I don't blog on reddit but I've been banned by facebook because my comment "didn't meet community standards" -- I said that females surpass males in management but they don't belong in the infantry.
Was I wrong on #1 or #2 or both? . . .Who cares.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2018 5:22:33 PM | 110

Lochearn @108

"Or I could go backwards into history to examine where the real power has always been, how it is wielded, who exactly has wielded it and for what purposes, in order to come up with patterns and likelihoods of future behaviours and realities."

Cf Walter Benjamin, The Concept of History, IX:

There is a painting by Klee called Angelus Novus. An angel is depicted there who looks as though he were about to distance himself from something which he is staring at. His eyes are opened wide, his mouth stands open and his wings are outstretched. The Angel of History must look just so. His face is turned towards the past. Where we see the appearance of a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe, which unceasingly piles rubble on top of rubble and hurls it before his feet. He would like to pause for a moment so fair [verweilen: a reference to Goethe’s Faust], to awaken the dead and to piece together what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise, it has caught itself up in his wings and is so strong that the Angel can no longer close them. The storm drives him irresistibly into the future, to which his back is turned, while the rubble-heap before him grows sky-high. That which we call progress, is this storm.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 5:22:48 PM | 111

@Don Bacon | Apr 19, 2018 4:26:47 PM | 103

..The joint UN-OPCW team was headed by Guatemalan Edmond Mulet who was presumably vulnerable to blackmail because he was once active in child trafficking as described here.

If Edmond Mulet is involve in Douma gas investigation, Syria Arab Republic and Russia Federation are guilty. Beside a child trafficking he's a fucking anti Dr. Assad.. Pls read NYT below...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/opinion/syria-chemical-weapons-united-nations-security-council.html

OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

How the Security Council Failed the Syria Chemical Weapons Investigators and Victims
By Edmond Mulet

Dec. 29, 2017

"....From August 2015 to October 2016, a team of investigators looked into eight cases of the use of chlorine as a chemical weapon and one case involving the use of sulfur mustard. Three attacks were attributed to the Syrian government and one to the Islamic State. The Security Council failed to reach agreement on any consequences for these crimes.

A few weeks after an April 4 sarin gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun, Syria, which killed approximately 100 and injured at least 200, I accepted the job to lead the investigative team....."

Posted by: OJS | Apr 19, 2018 5:29:47 PM | 112

@ 111

Thanks for turning my gaze to Klee and to Benjamin. Fascinating. The prose is almost better than the painting!

Posted by: Lochearn | Apr 19, 2018 5:53:20 PM | 113

Yes, BBC is propaganda, which is why I dug deeper (after seeing some else post a similar article about "sarin precursors) and showed that the isopropanol was illegally imported to private companies and not the Syrian government as BBC seemed to imply.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 19, 2018 6:09:29 PM | 114

This information was posted by Christian Chuba @ 68:

'... Does the OPCW have any coroners? I believe [chlorine gas] leaves scarring in the lungs

"Chlorine required a concentration of 1,000 parts per million to be fatal, destroying tissue in the lungs, likely through the formation of hydrochloric acid when dissolved in the water in the lungs (2Cl2 + 2H2O → 4HCl + O2)" ...'

If that's the case, then wouldn't spraying victims of a chlorine gas attack with water - the White Helmets' standard first-response catch-all medical treatment - only make most of their symptoms worse? The eyeballs need irrigation with water but other symptoms must be treated differently.

From CDC website: symptoms of chlorine poisoning
https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/chlorine/basics/facts.asp

Blurred vision

Burning pain, redness, and blisters on the skin if exposed to gas. Skin injuries similar to frostbite can occur if it is exposed to liquid chlorine

Burning sensation in the nose, throat, and eyes

Coughing

Chest tightness

Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath. These may appear immediately if high concentrations of chlorine gas are inhaled, or they may be delayed if low concentrations of chlorine gas are inhaled.

Fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema) that may be delayed for a few hours

Nausea and vomiting

Watery eyes

Wheezing

From WWI: The Medical Front
http://www.vlib.us/medical/gaswar/chlorine.htm

"... The first effect of inhalation of chlorine is a burning pain in the throat and eyes, accompanied by a sensation of suffocation; pain, which may be severe, is felt in the chest, especially behind the sternum. Respiration becomes painful, rapid, and difficult ; coughing occurs, and the irritation of the eyes results in profuse lachrymation. Retching is common and may be followed by vomiting, which gives temporary relief. The lips and mouth are parched and the tongue is covered with a thick dry fur. Severe headache rapidly follows with a feeling of great weakness in the legs; if the patient gives way to this and lies down, he is likely to inhale still more chlorine, as the heavy gas is most concentrated near the ground. In severe poisoning unconsciousness follows; nothing more is known about the cases which prove fatal on the field within the first few hours of the "gassing," except that the face assumes a pale greenish yellow colour. When a man lives long enough to be admitted into a clearing station, he is conscious, but restless; his face is violet red, and his ears and finger nails blue ; his expression strained and anxious as he gasps for breath; he tries to get relief by sitting up with his head thrown back, or he lies in an exhausted condition, sometimes on his side with his head over the edge of the stretcher in order to help the escape of fluid from the lungs. His skin is cold and his temperature subnormal; the pulse is full and rarely over 100. Respiration is jerky, shallow and rapid, the rate being often over 40 and sometimes even 80 a minute ; all the auxiliary muscles come into play, the chest being over-distended at the height of inspiration and, as in asthma, only slightly less distended in extreme expiration. Frequent and painful coughing occurs and some frothy sputum is brought up. The lungs are less resonant than normal, but not actually dull, and fine riles with occasional rhonchi and harsh but not bronchial breathing are heard, especially over the back and sides ..."

Posted by: Jen | Apr 19, 2018 6:12:34 PM | 115

Jason 108

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/06/reddit-russian-propaganda

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements
"...As for direct propaganda, that is, content from accounts we suspect are of Russian origin or content linking directly to known propaganda domains, we are doing our best to identify and remove it. We have found and removed a few hundred accounts, and of course, every account we find expands our search a little more. The vast majority of suspicious accounts we have found in the past months were banned back in 2015–2016 through our enhanced efforts to prevent abuse of the site generally..."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 19, 2018 6:15:49 PM | 116

Laguerre @100. With the Douma "CW attack" story falling apart left and right, it would appear the attempts to discredit the doctors and other witnesses is to keep the false flag/hoax alive. Certainly, MSM is still ruin with the FUKUS claims.

Same with the ever-escalating attacks on those who are exposing the White helmets.

Roger Waters has released the emails he got from white helmets types trying to get him to publicly support them. There seems to be a real PR campaign to get Palestinian rights activists on board the white helmets train.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 19, 2018 6:19:02 PM | 117

PeterAU @116,

What a joke. They are worse than twitter.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 6:24:13 PM | 118

Lochearn @186:

From The Duran yesterday:

"Will Armenia be the next victim of Western backed regime change?"

And YES! We are all viewers of a Reality TV Show of distractions, left to "judiciously study" Empire's last action, while the next one is already underway. But some of "history's actors" write books describing their plans. Kissinger, Brzezenski and nutty yahoo have all clearly laid out what's been happening, and though we are getting to the last chapters, there are still a few acts left. And I bet other books are out that I have't kept up with.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 19, 2018 6:35:38 PM | 119

I'm hearing reports ,supposedly confirmed, of hundreds of US special forces killed
in recent actions in Syria.
Anyone else have any information ?

Posted by: Winston | Apr 19, 2018 6:45:59 PM | 120

https://steemit.com/politics/@michaelweddle/
was-there-a-secret-plan-to-invade-damascus
Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 4:34:44 PM | 104
Hi, steemit says the page doesn't exist, will try again later.

Posted by: frances | Apr 19, 2018 6:55:18 PM | 121

@103, quoting Edmund Mulet

“. . .and the Syrian Government was accountable for the release of sarin in an April 2017 attack in Khan Shaykhun, the head of a Security Council-mandated investigation said Tuesday.”

That may be what he said "on Tuesday", but here's what the actual UN report said on October 26th of 2017:

“To date the Mechanism has not found specific information confirming whether or not an SAAF Su-22 operating from Al-Shayrat airbase launched an aerial attack against Khan Shaykhun on 4 April 2017.”

To the best of my knowledge there has been no subsequent report, so the above quote is the official final statement on the results of the investigation, regardless of anything that Mr. Mulet may have said at some later date.

Also, if one reads the entire report, he will find numerous hintings, not so very subtle, about false flag possibilities, and also hinting that the reader should not take everything in the report at face value. It is a very interesting read, for those things if for no other reason.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Apr 19, 2018 7:03:30 PM | 122

Winston 120, have been hearing allusions to that for a couple of weeks. Seems up to 1800, mainly dogs of war, whacked in the east whence they were intending to spearhead the Ghouta push (aq from the south, etc.). S, I, R were meant to have been examining their navels in the north around Idlib but intelligence (actual) and lightning blitz on Ghouta catastrophically crashed the USA operation before it had even kicked off. Hence the headless chicken, panicked arse-and-elbow responses, half-hearted WH theatre, skripal fudge, etc.

Posted by: Plod | Apr 19, 2018 7:20:09 PM | 123

Late this afternoon the NYT put this up without comments enabled-

"Missile Strikes Are Unlikely to Stop Syria’s Chemical Attacks, Pentagon Says"

Now this reporter must have access to the internet and should know by now that the Assad did it thing is falling apart, yet his editor lets this go up. Stenography in action. Sad.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Apr 19, 2018 7:20:18 PM | 124

^^^ Plod... That is, over and above the entrapped high-class operatives of USA, GB, Isr, et al. in Ghouta.
Suspect the S I R idlib operation was always a decoy to precipitate USA embryonic plans for storming Damascus.

Posted by: Plod | Apr 19, 2018 7:26:07 PM | 125

@WJ 86
I caught the BBC hit piece too. They tied Vanessa Beeley to the Abdallah woman. Searches for Abdallah brought up the accusations of her being a Hezbollah operative. Of course, BBC called them activists while the White Helmets and others are also "activists." Deep in the BBC article, they admit that people should not blindly trust the other reports. But it's those other reports that are pushed by MSM. BBC was also dismissive of these two as being "conspiracy theorists."

It reminded me of the NBC report the other night where they interviewed the wife of an FSA fighter. She had on the full black hijab. She could be married to a moderate but I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: Curtis | Apr 19, 2018 7:43:37 PM | 126

PS
The BBC article also claimed that Beeley and Abdallah were repeating Russian propaganda stories.

Posted by: Curtis | Apr 19, 2018 7:44:59 PM | 127

@ 108, 116 re: reddit. This is illuminating - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1dz470/most_reddit_addicted_city_over_100k_visits_total/ the answer is Eglin Air Force Base, FL.

Posted by: Jesrad | Apr 19, 2018 8:13:26 PM | 128

b - thanks for fixing the page width settings! Much appreciated.

Obviously, the bads are trying to salvage the main parts of a blown timeline:

1. Ejecting Russia from the UNSC. They will keep trying
. Capturing Damascus by land from Jordan. Too vulnerably close to borders to stand. Time to think about moving Damascus to a more defensible location. "Shining new city in the desert" as trump so poetically put it. My guess is that the current inspection stall has to do with imminent timing for launch of the land war. The failed bombing was actually a valuable live fire training exercise.
3. Establishing the saudi clown prince as the new caliph of islam,
(ruling from France, his new chateau). With Rothscild's Macron -- the dynamic Donmeh Duo. Watch for the trinity to be completed in Turkey.
4. Creating a direct pipeline route from Mosul to Haifa. Unnamed sources contend that the largest oil deposit on the planet is under Mosul, and of course the Barzanis have leased the rights (illegally) to a Rothschild/Murdoch consortium. By the way, Murdoch is an Aussie and disseminates large portions of fake news.
5. Populating that route with Barzani clan crrypto Jews. Netanyahu says he has 150,000 to arm and relocate, Kirds Jewish enough to have Israeli passports.

Russia has stopped the genocide of Orthodox Christians, their main and quite noble objective. But few are left in Syria. That bloodletting is moving to Armenia and Serbia. Of course then moving to Ukraine and Russia itself. This is the Great Schism still unfolding. Goes back to Pepin the Short at least.

Russia does not want Iranian oill/gas in Europe. The Israeli chaos plan works for them too. The Israelis are preoccupied with stealing all the oil/gas rights they can (usual m.o.) But they would like to steal South Pars from both Quatar and Iran, LNG it through the Red Sea, which is why Yemen counts. The US dreams of an LNG monopoly.

And so on. Great game! Pass the chips!

Posted by: mireille | Apr 19, 2018 8:43:52 PM | 129

Would Trump have gone ahead and attacked if he was informed that the chemical attack didn't happen? - yes, if the previous attack is anything to go by. In Trump's Red Line by Seymour M. Hersh on 25.06.2017,
Trump issued the order despite having been warned by the U.S. intelligence community that it had found no evidence that the Syrians had used a chemical weapon. ... the senior adviser said. “It’s typical of human nature. You jump to the conclusion you want. Intelligence analysts do not argue with a president. They’re not going to tell the president, ‘if you interpret the data this way, I quit.’”

Posted by: Palloy | Apr 19, 2018 9:00:56 PM | 130

@124 "Stenography in action. Sad."

Reporters may know very well what's going on. But they need the money. It's at the editorial level where the manipulation takes place.

Posted by: dh | Apr 19, 2018 9:13:28 PM | 131

#46 Hoarsewhisperer. Depleted uranium is the worst of all. It is the gift that keeps on giving for generations.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 19, 2018 9:23:51 PM | 132

Good one :-)
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804201063736499-france-syria-assad-award/

Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 19, 2018 9:31:49 PM | 133

lots of propaganda outlets nowadays... aside from the obvious ones - reddit must qualify! guardian, huff post, bbc, nyt, wapo, wsj - so many to choose from!!! fake news is a good word for it... too bad the twitter king is incapable of knowing when he is being snowed with white helmet videos, let alone the nyt and etc...

Posted by: james | Apr 19, 2018 9:33:08 PM | 134

speaking of propaganda outlets.. how about the usa state dept daily briefings? it is another prime example!

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2018/04/280609.htm

example -

" QUESTION: Syria, to pick up on where we were on Tuesday with the OPCW still not having gotten access to Duma and apparently still that situation is still the same. One, do you have anything to say about that? And secondly, you and I had a little bit of a conversation about potential – your belief that the Russians and/or Syrians are tampering with any evidence of the chemical attack. Does the continued delay give you more concern that that might be the case?

MS NAUERT: Yeah. So to address both your questions, we can confirm that the OPCW team has still not been able to enter Duma in Syria. It is now 12 days since the attack took place on men, women, and children, those innocent civilians, in Syria. We have credible information that indicates that Russian officials are working with the Syrian regime to deny and to delay these inspectors from gaining access to Duma. We believe it is an effort to conduct their own staged investigations. Russian officials have worked with the Syrian regime, we believe, to sanitize the locations of those suspected attacks and remove incriminating evidence of chemical weapons use.

We have also watched as some people have seemingly been pressured by the government to change their stories about what actually occurred that night. We have reports from credible people on the ground who have indicated that they have been pressured by both Russia and Syria to change their stories, to try to change their stories so that it doesn’t appear that Russia and Syria are responsible for those attacks. We certainly know that Syria is responsible for those attacks."

Posted by: james | Apr 19, 2018 9:35:58 PM | 135

....."We have credible information...." but for some strange reason, they can never share it... i guess they would have to provide the names of the white helmet members sharing it... have to keep that confidential!

Posted by: james | Apr 19, 2018 9:37:15 PM | 136

A good statement.

http://thesaker.is/statement-of-a-shulgin-at-the-opcw-ec/

Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 19, 2018 9:55:05 PM | 137

So now we live at a moment in history when non-establishment actors have investigated the alleged attack in Douma before the OPCW even gets there. And as is clear, and as b posits, this stalling action holding up the visit is to allow time for someone - anyone, please - among the establishment forces to come up with a counter to the truth already revealed.

I suspect that the evidence on video - captured by simple enough cameras and spread through the Internet around the world now - combined with the fact of numerous ordinary folks strolling around the killing field without suffering any harm, has made this false flag untenable beyond any saving of face.

Propaganda only works to crowd out the truth, so that people never encounter the truth. But propaganda doesn't work in open battle against the truth, when people are hearing both sides. The process takes time, but like water it wears down the tallest wall.

What's really good is that the enemy has shown repeatedly that it doesn't understand the failure of its tactics, and so it keeps using the old playbook. And with each ploy, the tactics fail more miserably, and the true evidence accumulates more forcefully. And probably here in Douma they'll tangle themselves in even more ridiculous fabrications just to keep the OPCW away forever.

So maybe it won't be this one. Maybe this isn't the ploy that builds and builds to leave a big enough smoking gun to discredit the entire western apparatus. Perhaps we are not quite there yet. But it's obvious that Russia thinks we're getting closer.

I'll call it now and say we are in the post-tipping point age of the information war.

The next ploy will fail even more miserably. And the one after that will fail even worse. And very soon, who knows, a smoking gun could appear that brings the common people out in their multitudes, in one of those synchronicity moments of truth that the aristocrats and privileged functionaries of the establishment fear more than anything in creation.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 19, 2018 9:55:42 PM | 138

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Posted by: Charlotte NC Bill | Apr 19, 2018 10:12:30 PM | 139

@ charollet NC Bill.. never heard of copying and pasting a url??

Posted by: james | Apr 19, 2018 10:41:09 PM | 140

i guess some folks figure a button solves everything, lol...

Posted by: james | Apr 19, 2018 10:42:04 PM | 141

Syrian twitter accounts reporting heavy SIGINT US /Israeli traffic, arrival of two Russian AN-22 heavy transport planes...as the USS Truman strike group enters the Mediterranean....
I am hoping the Truman suddenly experiences a freak and unaccountable failure of its electronic systems in the middle of the sea, and has to be towed into port in Italy or Greece. This is a fantasy hope, I am aware. My desire that war be averted sometimes has me conjuring all sorts of magical military technology in the Russian arsenal. I am only half joking. It is perhaps something to be wary of--the promising belief that the Russians are just too strong and advanced for the US to attack directly.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 19, 2018 10:56:37 PM | 142

Jen@115 - "...If that's the case, then wouldn't spraying victims of a chlorine gas attack with water - the White Helmets' standard first-response catch-all medical treatment - only make most of their symptoms worse?"

I think the mystery visitors to the Douma clinic were just yelling "Gas attack!" without specifying chlorine as they started the water-dousing panic. They were not White Helmets.

Flushing skin/hair/eyes with reasonable amounts of water would dilute and wash away any hydrochloric/hypochlorous acid that it happened to create. Spritzing with a spray bottle would probably be a bad idea for decontamination.

Jesrad@128 - Eglin is home to the stateside part of CENTCOM and the 4th MISG (formerly PsyOps). Deception of or otherwise 'shaping the opinions of' the American public is part of their mission. Whatever they don't do, the DoD and State Department does through their various propaganda efforts directed at American citizens, who are compelled to pay for that propaganda. Funding Middle East wars is kind of a self-licking ice-cream cone when PsyOps is part of the budget. Thus, my endearing love for CENTCOM - the pall bearers of western democracy.


All - The endless Syrian CW narrative has a much more strategic purpose in case anyone forgot. Israel - SCUDS - CWs. That's why Libya and Iraq were suppose to be and existential threat to Israel that justified ANY preemptive protective attack. And that was exactly why Assad/Syria was suppose to be such a threat to Israel - remember? They can't let the CW narrative die.

Israel needs to keep its own people terrified of Assad's 'hidden' CW-tipped missiles. Americans must fully believe Assad has a hidden CW stockpile for use on Israel. That way, when Israel uses the Assad (or maybe ICRG) CW missile false flag to justify a preemptive, protective attack (and land grab), Americans will willingly send their sons and daughters to die in a war against them for Israel. Nobody will even question it in the US. I can see Wolf Blitzer rolling around under a coffee table in Tel Aviv with his gas mask on backwards and the air raid sirens wailing in the background. CNN: "Wolf! Wolf... for God's sake... Can you hear me? Are you OK, Wolf? Any Sarin symptoms yet? DAMN YOU, Gasser Assad!"

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 19, 2018 11:14:33 PM | 143

@ the pessimist | Apr 19, 2018 1:05:37 AM | 1

Not sure when Shulgin gave his statement, but today's briefing by Zacharova is even more impressive and revealing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8cjrgPc4Ew&feature=youtu.be&t=2026

It seems that BZ was detected not only by Spiez, but also by a lab in the Netherlands. The explanation given is that BZ was added to the specimens in order to validate the competence of the contracted labs. Furthermore, they attempted to explain away the existence of pristine Novichok in the specimens in a dosage that would have been fatal, thus confirming that the Spiez lab did indeed find such pristine Novichok. You can't make this sh*t up.

Oh, what a tangled web! The wonder is not so much that MI5/MI6 would perpetrate such a false flag, but that they would be so utterly incompetent about it.

Posted by: anti_republocrat | Apr 19, 2018 11:40:19 PM | 144

Laguerre @100 and #117 Daniel. Yes that is what appears to be the direction the story is going on Canada's public broadcaster. Blame the Russians and Syrians for not allowing the investigation to go ahead and to discredit the eye witnesses. The groundwork is being laid for when the OPCW report isn't up to snuff for Nikki Haley, not that this witch needs to determine if the reports floats or not to proclaim guilt. As for the attacks on the UN security team, this is the only time I can recall an attack occurring in an area that the jihadists have been bussed to Hotel Idlib. Is this a result of the SAA not being allowed in to do a through sweep of the area? A sleeper cell activated to disrupt the investigation. Jihadists indicating where the victims of CW attack are buried, likely gassed by jihadists in a small room then buried for discovery later on. Sounds like a plan (O)Sam(ma).

Posted by: Tom | Apr 19, 2018 11:42:05 PM | 145

@anti_republocrat | Apr 19, 2018 11:40:19 PM | 144

Clarification: The reference to "pristine" Novichok is that Spiez found the toxic agent in a non-degraded form that could not have survived either within the human body or in a collected specimen. They thought it was a contamination. My opinion is that it was added by the British before delivering the specimens, just to be sure the contracted labs would detect it. Also, the fact they claimed to have deliberately contaminated the specimens with BZ is a clear indication it could just as easily be that the BZ was there from the beginning and the actual contamination was with the agent from the Novichok family. Zakharova called it "weird." I'll say!

Posted by: anti_republocrat | Apr 19, 2018 11:47:20 PM | 146

PavewayIV @143,
Funny you should mention a "preemptive protective attack." The Bush preemption doctrine must not have been found suitably effective for domestic propagandist purposes; as since then, if I am not mistaken, the preferred move has been to engineer an actual "event" that the US is forced to "respond" to. The WMD bombast fit the preemption doctrine. The relatively more modest "chemical attack" has the advantage of being easily produced whenever necessary. I think this development signals an advance in the rhetoric of propaganda between Bush II and Obama. Perhaps the PR folks judged Americans to be finally more stupid than malicious as a group. Optimistically put.

anti_republocrat @146

I believe there were four samples (2 bio, 2 enviro); I think it is likely that the 2 bio samples are the ones with BZ in the control. Why? Pure coincidence, procedure, unrelated to anything, etc. Or because the Skripals, and not their doorknob, were poisoned with BZ.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 12:08:28 AM | 147

@142 WJ

Don't worry. The US cannot attack Russia. You invoke a magical situation only because you lack the technical details - and so do I, and I am on your side - but from March 1, in general and in toto we know that the US can't attack Russia. The whole world knows this now. No need for magic. Simple firepower will suffice. But I agree, it's so good it looks like voodoo. :)

~~

@144 anti_republocrat

Incompetence is the order of the day. This is what has been suggested for several years, and now revealed in stark outline this year especially in Salisbury and Douma. After years of giving the benefit of the doubt in all our analyses, we can now finally drop that and say that the enemy is just totally, fucking incompetent. They can't even do a false flag right anymore. Even when they try to present a falsehood, it doesn't work.

They are incompetent. Privilege does this. Privilege results in absence of competition, and thus the degradation of skill. Nothing to be surprised about here. In fact, their incompetence is the final clue as to their condition. They are approaching terminal. Soon for the kill.


Posted by: Grieved | Apr 20, 2018 12:25:56 AM | 148

anti_republocrat @144

Absolutely unbelievable that those samples would be tampered with by OPCW. It invalidates the whole process. And as you say, incredible sloppiness by MI5/6.

Trying as it is, I do believe that Russia adhering to the international rules is winning, as increasingly people are starting to pay attention.

Posted by: cdvision | Apr 20, 2018 12:54:06 AM | 149

Re BZ, and A-234. The words 'pristine' or 'virgin state' were not used to describe BZ but were used to describe the A-234.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 20, 2018 1:33:43 AM | 150

@ 148 Grieved | Apr 20, 2018 12:25:56 AM

Incompetence isn't the half of what's awry. Observed is the end of the transitional bridge from being accustomed to the passing from living memory of empire to being not·empire, having taken place under the reign of Elizabeth II. The sovereign is now in their dotage, effects of senility increasing daily, the capacity to function diminishing rapidly, neither the ability nor interest to rule and control the ambitions and avarice of the elite is in evidence.

Look at the 'Mother of All Parliaments', it has become the best argument for NOT having that form of government, the noises coming from the commons is rather more of rats scurrying in the scullery than it is a forum for public affairs. That transitional bridge terminates at an abyss, no pier has been prepared to support its future terminus, and will not end well. The British public has been trained in public political apathy, unprepared to shoulder the weight of neither republican nor democratic responsibility; the long night beckons from the now failing twilight. The rats scurry in the scullery at Westminster.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 1:58:06 AM | 151

Formerly T-Bear @151

The diminution (elimination) of Empire was the price exacted by the US for entry into WW2. That and the virtual bankruptcy of the UK by insisting all war loans (for rusty old ships) were paid in full with interest, whereas Germany and Japan were showered with money. A cynical early form of regime change by the US. I'm no great fan of the Queen, but she was thrust in the role, unwillingly, by the premature death of her father. The best that can be said is that she hasn't rocked the boat, but she is no intellectual or leader.

Also I'm no fan of the Mother of All Parliaments. However, having seen the inside, I have to ascribe its decline to the quality of MPs and moreso the quality of civil servants. This is likely a symptom of declining standards of education and morals generally, as well as the unholy worship of money. I accept that if there are not the people to make the institution work, then the institution has failed.

Posted by: cdvision | Apr 20, 2018 2:12:54 AM | 152

@103
@112
@122

Even more than Mulet's child trafficking, one should look at his role in the coup in Haiti. Mulet, acting on behalf of the UN, attempted to intimidate president Preval into leaving the country on election day. He indicated that the results of the election would not be accepted if they were not in line with American objective. http://cepr.net/blogs/haiti-relief-and-reconstruction-watch/haitis-former-president-preval-has-credible-charges-that-un-tried-to-remove-him

Mulet was in close contact with Hillary Clinton's State Department during this period. Search his name in Wikileaks' diplomatic cables, and you'll come up with numerous results.

In essence, he's a tool of western power. The JIM report was just one more act to bolster the Western narrative. Also, note that his UN-OPCW JIM report was not accepted by either the UN or the OPCW. After the rejection, he wrote the aforementioned op-ed for the New York Times, and he most likely was the source of a leak of OPCW test results to Reuters, which supposedly linked all the sarin attacks to the Syrian government. This article has been essential in providing "independent" confirmation of Assad's guilt, even though it's essentially just leftovers from the politicized JIM investigation.

Recently, Mulet has popped up on 60 Minutes and the neocon Vice News as a talking head to keep the "Assad gasses his own people" narrative alive. On Vice he explicitly advocates for the FUKUS air strikes.

All around, a shady character and Western fixer.

Posted by: Gumby | Apr 20, 2018 2:23:24 AM | 153

Grieved @148,

I very much hope you are right.


In other news, from Sputnik:

Last month, American aircraft dropped 339 munitions on Afghanistan,
mainly bombs, according to the US Air Force's monthly strike report,
eclipsing the combined total of 294 from Syria and Iraq.


Ah, Afghanistan. The gift that keeps on giving. Instead of declaring actual wars,
why can't we just work out a detail with the Saudis to drop a certain number of
bombs per month in out of the way areas--hell, we could even say that we are helping
the Esteemed Kingdom with environmental terraforming or something. Part of the
great Wahhabist monarchy's liberalization project and what not. That way the Pentagon
and the Market would be happy, and we wouldn't have to risk WWIII. (I am pretending
Israel doesn't exist.)

Or, why don't we just accept that the Palestinian people are fucked and do the right thing.
Offer them a mass immigration package and settle them in some failed American metroplex--
Detroit, eg.--or give them homesteads in the open areas across the Mountain West. This would cost
billions of dollars, and it would be an insult to their pride and heritage, yes, but surely a new life
in Wyoming is better than having to suffer the whims of craven Israeli snipers. It would probably be
a good PR move for the US overall, and is just the kind of garishly wacky deal Trump would find
attractive. It might tamp down anti-Muslim prejudice in the US by inserting yet another variety
of vaguely brown people Into the mix--many of whom would be Christian! Well, not real Christians,
of course, (who are all white, American, and Evangelical) but more like Latino Catholics: a vaguely
superstitious and cultic people with a needlessly spicy palate. (You can see how hard it would become
to pick out the Muslim in this scenario! And this isn't even taking into account the ominously arabesque
churches that would soon pepper Montana and Idaho.) I am sure that a private-public partnership could
be set up to manage the Palestinians resettlement, thus enabling lots of graft, rent-seeking, and corporate
profits for all. Israel would be happy, Palestinians would be Americans, and we could together all build the wall to keep
out the Mexicans.


Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 2:23:36 AM | 154

Tom @ 145. First, we are assuming that the UN lead team really was attacked or someway scared off. Otherwise, yes, it could well be that a “stay behind army” was still there.

I’m pretty sure that the first time OPCW went to Syria after the 2013 CW attacks, they were able to safely access one site, but were shot at and so did not complete testing at the second site.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 20, 2018 2:52:39 AM | 155

@103Don & @112Jack. Good job gents, txs for the research. Lee is the UN watchdog per excellence. We can imagine how the fix is in or in the making..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 20, 2018 2:56:03 AM | 156

@153 Oh and hat tip to you Gumby as well..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 20, 2018 2:59:20 AM | 157

@ 152 cdvision

First: the Queen was never thrust anywhere. She wilfully exercised Mon Droit. Don'd cod yourself that being otherwise.

Second: You really do need to read your history for yourself. British debt was forgiven after WW II just as it eventually was after WW I.

I don't find any of your opinions able to hold water, let alone fact. But self pleasuring seems all the rage anymore.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 4:19:46 AM | 158

British debt to the US was not forgiven, it was a huge economic constraint on the 1945 labour goverment as Harold Wilsons writing of the time showed.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Apr 20, 2018 4:33:47 AM | 159

@ 159

You also need read your history with somewhat more care. You have gotten hold of disinformation somewhere.

Am not paid sufficiently to address uninformed opinions and all the hold them.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 4:58:11 AM | 160

Formerly T-Bear @158

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215847.stm

Read and learn, before you act like a child.

Actually the debt was not the whole story. The US objective was to destroy the British Empire.

As for the Queen, if you take some time to read history, she was a young woman devastated by the death of her father, reluctantly becoming monarch. Not in my view a great monarch, but that is a different issue.

Posted by: cdvision | Apr 20, 2018 5:00:58 AM | 161

@ 161

I see by your link just how trustworthy your information is. Not linking. You are at best using secondhand information of doubtful value and less likely veracity. Keep your opinion as you like. Your ad hominem is noted, as for childish, you're looking in a mirror? Finis.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 5:09:20 AM | 162

God Help Us All

Angela Merkel
Went round in a circle
She didn't know what to do.
The stupid old bint
Would not take the hint
To immediately resign from the zoo.

Donald P. Trump
Gave the table a thump
As befits a man of action.
But the promises he made
Have all been delayed
So he bombed Syria by way of distraction.

Teresa May
Had another bad day
In keeping with her history.
How someone this dense
And with so little sense
Made PM is quite a mystery.

Emmanuel Macron
Walked round with a sack on
Thinking weird thoughts about mum.
But Rothschild's pet banker
Is such a wet wanker
He panicked and sucked his thumb.

Dreamboat Trudeau
Likes to put on a show
In lieu of a cogent agenda.
His policy stance
Is to do a daft dance
And query his wife's true gender.

The EU president
Is a Vichy resident
But nobody knows his name.
He has an expense account
For a phenomenal amount
That he squanders without any shame.

The vile NATO boss
Could not give a toss
About the upcoming orgy of killing.
For each bomb that is dropped
Each young life that is stopped
There's a chance to pocket a shilling.

As we hurtle to war,
Though none knows what for,
It's clear our leaders all sucked.
If they are the best
Of us in the West
Then we are totally fucked.

Posted by: Willie Wobblestick | Apr 20, 2018 5:23:34 AM | 163

@163 WillyW

Angela Merkel is not stupid - things are way worth than that.
She's got a PhD in physical chemistry, and what's rather mind-boggling in that context is the fact that her husband Joachim Sauer is a professor of chemistry and one of the worlds foremost experts in surface chemistry.
In the 2000s this guy was in the top 30 list of the worlds most extinguished chemists - let that sink in for a second.
The couple Merkel/Sauer knows exactly how to evaluate that so-called evidence, yet... - as I said the situation is way worse as generally anticipated.

Posted by: Hmpf | Apr 20, 2018 5:51:46 AM | 164

Yikes, typo - 'way worse' of course.

Posted by: Hmpf | Apr 20, 2018 5:52:54 AM | 165

Excellent piece from Paul Craig Roberts.
One of his best in my view.
Very worth the read
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/17/crisis-beginning-stages/

Posted by: Emily | Apr 20, 2018 6:05:19 AM | 166

British debt to the US was not forgiven

We only finished paying it a few years ago.
The USA sat on the WW2 sidelines - profiteering from both the British and the Germans - debating which side to enter into.
Russia became a British ally before America.
And it was Russia who won WW2 on the eastern front with near 30,000,000 dead.
And all we do is kick them in the teeth.

Posted by: Emily | Apr 20, 2018 6:11:47 AM | 167

WW @163,
This is wonderful.


James Risen, who for a time I had thought was one of the more sophisticated
limited hangouts in our major presses, has gone and Intercepted himself into
sheer vacuousness, managing to write several grave paragraphs on Joseph
Mifsud last week without once mentioning his likely high-level ties to British Intelligence.
Mifsud--who I am betting is now either dead or somebody else--is a *Russian* spy,
you see.

The rest of Risen's piece is a charmingly written assemblage of horseshit--
and *old* horseshit at that. In the actual world, we are already well into a proxy war with Russia,
and yet only now is Risen ready, finally, after much serious, measured, Riseny
weighing of the evidence, to join #TheResistance.

"But as I’ve dug deeper into the evidence made public so far, I have become
convinced that the case for collusion is much stronger than I thought."

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/12/trump-russia-intermediary-joseph-
mifsud-missing-case-for-collusion/

The Intercept is fast becoming "MSNBC For The Thinking Man."

Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 6:20:44 AM | 168

@ 167 Emily | Apr 20, 2018 6:11:47 AM

Emily. The British debt to the U.S. was cancelled, by agreement just about time of VE. What the British internal debt did is entirely different. If you cannot understand that, well …

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 6:22:29 AM | 169

@150

I think, the Chairman at OPCW meeting stated that the quality control sample was nothing to do with those gathered in Salisbury.

Posted by: Nick Bailey | Apr 20, 2018 6:23:21 AM | 170

As A-234 is said to breakdown quickly it must have been placed at "hot spot" sites in Salisbury near to the time when OPCW team collected environmental samples. OPCW state they had full chain of custody on samples

Posted by: Nick Bailey | Apr 20, 2018 6:27:42 AM | 171

Emily @166,

Thanks for the link to the Roberts piece. But isn't he a bit incoherent in saying this?

"The best chance of preventing the oncoming war is Russian-Chinese-Iranian
unity and a defeat for American arms in a regional context not worth the Washington
psychopaths launching of nuclear weapons."

A "Russian-Chinese-Iranian unity" leading to a military defeat of US forces in
a "regional conflict" that is worth going to war over but "not worth" the launching
of nuclear weapons--and not worth this even from the point of view of irrational psychopaths?

If this is our "best chance" then we probably have no chance.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 6:36:08 AM | 172

#46 Hoarsewhisperer. Depleted uranium is the worst of all. It is the gift that keeps on giving for generations.
Posted by: Tom | Apr 19, 2018 9:23:51 PM | 132

I agree, but forgot about DU.
There's actually a very long list of weapons which are so obviously and intentionally immoral.
It's almost amusing to hear NATO's Colonial Christians unilaterally deciding whose (non-existent) weapons belong at the top of the atrocity pecking order, considering their own history.
And we haven't touched on tactics such as mercifully destroying schools, hospitals and vital civil infrastructure (sewage, water and electricity) to "save" the populace from ...?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20, 2018 6:44:46 AM | 173


Understanding lend lease explains the reality of UK ww2 war debt

Posted by: m | Apr 20, 2018 6:46:27 AM | 174

The Russians are stopping the investigation, the BBC informed me, numerous times. Of course they forgot to mention all the real reasons that the UN want to slow them down. Once the OPCW find nothing, they can say 'those pesky Russians stalled the investigation, so that we wouldn't find evidence'. It's brilliant really. Just like the tired old plots from the movies, the UN need some new story writers. Shabby, stale and predictable, to say the least.

Posted by: duplicitousdemocracy | Apr 20, 2018 7:00:03 AM | 175

One Russian company is marketing their organic sunflower oil claiming it extends life. The product name is Novichok oil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG7D8FfnhOg

Posted by: Yonatan | Apr 20, 2018 7:23:08 AM | 176

@Lochearn 106
This isn't so much about you as the quote, as I don't know why some commentators enjoy confusing Hegelian dialectics with Marxian--or maybe I'd like to pretend I don't know why. Regardless, they aren't the same, nor can "there's this side, and there's that side, and they argue" be properly called dialectical in either philosophical system.

For a much better example of Hegelian dialectics, read the beginning of Hegel's own Science of Logic and the division between pure being and pure nothingness; for an example of a more consciousness-centered development, read his Phenomenology of Spirit. Neoconservatives destroying countries and letting people debate each other endlessly and irresolubly isn't dialectics in any case. Some Bolsheviks, notably Lenin and Bukharin, studied Hegel intensely, but they were well aware of the differences between the systems of Hegel and of Marx.

Karl Rove is no Bolshevik, nor is anyone of any importance within the various federal bureaucracies. "Secret Bolsheviks control the US government" is an ancient Bircherite canard that only enjoys currency with some on the right nowadays because some of the first generation neoconservatives were ex-Trotskyists. The vast majority of communist groups descended from the Bolsheviks opposed Rove's Iraq invasion and oppose a US intervention in Syria.

Posted by: Negativity | Apr 20, 2018 7:25:34 AM | 177

@ Nick Bailey | 171

Or OPCW could spike samples themselves, they are falsifying reports for years now, and thats a fact, not just "highly likely."

Posted by: Harry | Apr 20, 2018 7:34:41 AM | 178

169 Formerly T bear

The Anglo-American Loan Agreement was a post World War II loan made to the United Kingdom by the United States on 15 July 1946, and paid off in 2006

Posted by: Emily | Apr 20, 2018 7:41:33 AM | 179

Emily,

A loan made 1946, July 15 is NOT a war loan unless one is thick. The subject was British war debt if you don't recall. Finis.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 7:59:50 AM | 180

@Don Bacon, 107. "Whenever I'm in danger of "getting wrapped around the axle."

Thanks for citing one of my favorite Thoreau insights: "[T]il we come to hard bottom and rocks in place, which we call reality, and say, This is, and no mistake. "

Posted by: Glorious Bach | Apr 20, 2018 8:03:41 AM | 181

180 T bear.

Semantics - of course it was.
The USA sat back and watched Britain face the Nazis almost alone with its Commonwealth for 2 years and 4 months.
Sat back watching us bled of money, military, resources and being bombed to smithereens.
Even after Dunkirk you turned your back.
It took Pearl Harbour to get you in and even then you dithered.
The USA declared war on Germany Dec 11th 1941 - 4 months after Russia had been our ally.
The war against Nazi Germany - alone for years - took all we had, our money, our finest, our cities.
Wile the USA sat and profited.
Even lend lease was a fizz.
Crappy ships the British had to get and die for.
Of course the loan was a war loan - we had spent everything on the war and helping Russia defeat the Nazi war machine - ever heard of the British Arctic convoys..
We had to survive, we were broke - no Marshal plan and handouts for us
You are being downright dishonest to call it anything else.
Had the USA taken its share of the burden of defeating Hitler in September 1939 we wouldn't have needed it.
Funny thing is Germany didn't need to borrow.
You poured in the money to Germany.
Makes you think?

Posted by: Emily | Apr 20, 2018 8:21:02 AM | 182

...
If this is our "best chance" then we probably have no chance.
Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 6:36:08 AM | 172

PCR has written some good stuff over the years but, like the Daily 7PM News with a mandate to report at regular intervals, if there's nothing interesting to write about then the mandate can produce a report about nothing. MSM fills these gaps with reports about sports or prattle about how life originated in Outer Space and came to Earth as spores which spawned 'clever' octopods, inviting Mankind to sidestep the burden of simian forebears...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20, 2018 8:41:10 AM | 183

A big part of being the "leader of the free world" is to manage events to fit the narrrative.

Given the US/UK strategy of fake chemical attacks to be blamed on Russia and Syria it is important that the work of the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons be managed. OPCW reports deriving from Fact Finding Missions either have to be buried or prevented.

The OPCW employs an FFM when requested by a country, with the resulting report sent to that country only. The Salisbury FFM was requested by UK, the FFM report was sent to UK, where it was buried and will never be publicized.

Douma has a different dynamic because the FFM was requested by Russia, with the ensuing report bound to be made public, so it was necessary to prevent the FFM from doing its job. That's when the US puppet Peter Drennan with his Keystone Kops UN police agency was injected into Douma, to prevent the FFM from taking place.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20, 2018 8:51:04 AM | 184

Gulfies occupying South Yemen take a chance to rape young Africans, according to HRW. The washed out version in Le Monde takes away the blame from KSA/UAE of course.

http://www.lemonde.fr/yemen/article/2018/04/20/l-ong-human-rights-watch-denonce-la-torture-et-le-viol-de-migrants-africains-detenus-au-yemen_5288138_1667193.html

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/04/17/yemen-detained-african-migrants-tortured-raped

(French and Arabic versions on the same page)

Posted by: Mina | Apr 20, 2018 9:07:10 AM | 185

@ dh 131
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

Posted by: Curtis | Apr 20, 2018 9:17:23 AM | 186

@ 182 Emily

Your version of history would have gone well with "Fractured Fairytales", a segment of the old "Rocky and Bullwinkle Show", which also brought for the edification of their audience "Boris Badenov and Natasha with Fearless Leader". Probably before your time though. Is your regurgitation what passes as history these days? Pathetically sad if that is what passes as knowledge. You don't know where you are, where you have been, or where you might be going. Again, pathetic.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 20, 2018 9:36:32 AM | 187

@ Formerly T-Bear: So what alternative "history" do you propose to counter each of 182 Emily's points?

From my perspective, she states settled historical facts. She doesn't even mention that FDR KNEW the Japanese Fleet was enroute to Hawaii, and that Pearl Harbour was no surprise to the US upper politicos and military. But the MIC needed its excuse to enter the war as Johhny-come-lately, just like WW1. And of course grab all the "mission accomplished" glory in the MSM and history books.

As Smedley Butler so clearly proved, war is a racket and all wars are bankers wars. The Rothschilds having been the preeminent banksters (banking gangsters) to Western powers for nearly 200 years when he said his piece. And in the middle of all the chaos of 2 WW's, the Rothschilds were still pushing for their Bible-story-inspired homeland. Israel, which is now the psychotic nexus of such a large % of the problems of the Middle East and beyond. And a little more than passing odd that the Israeli/Saudi psychopathic leaders are now formalizing the frenenmy relationship that has served both so well.

But nice job trying to distract from the bankster war racket and thereby, provide cover for the primary perpetrators.

Posted by: A P | Apr 20, 2018 10:06:51 AM | 188

"Plan A was a whole devastating assault on the Syrian Army, the presidential palace, command and control points, elite forces, strategic military spots, ammunition depots, defense systems and political leadership institutions."

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/04/19/abdnin-samda-bosa-cikan-gizli-plani-uclu-saldiri-oncesi-ve-sonrasinda-rusyanin-rolu-16-nisan-2018-pazartesi/

Posted by: Fec | Apr 20, 2018 10:12:44 AM | 189

I was expecting an anti-jewish rant but it's simply a straight forward interview.
https://russia-insider.com/en/abby-martin-interview-critical-israel-blocked-youtube-28-countries/ri23002

Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 20, 2018 10:32:36 AM | 190

99 @Anonymous
"…leftist intellectual husband…"

Really? Don't know for certain but this is at best an exaggeration. Jo Cox's husband has been outed recently as something of a sexual predator, forcing himself on female staff members where he worked.

As far as I am aware, the contributions to the White Helmets were from a fund set up in her name after her death. Maybe she did send them money before her demise but…?

Posted by: kweladave | Apr 20, 2018 10:48:14 AM | 191

Up-to-date, on-the-ground coverage by an American journalist via OAN (One American News Network - cable tv).
Really good stuff - he was there in Damascus/Douma before & after the missiles etc despatched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXwG-901yU

Posted by: kweladave | Apr 20, 2018 10:55:47 AM | 192

S-300 as Carrot and Stick

RT has an article out this morning quoting Lavrov (whose diction is always, impeccably, exact)
to the effect that Russia now has "no reason to *not* supply its S-300 missile system to Syria"
in light of the US strike. Several well-sourced Syrian accounts were reporting the sale of S-300s
to Syria as a done deal, but I think this is premature. Lavrov is asking the US and Israel to give
Russia a reason not to provide the S-300 to Syria. Lavrov is saying the fate of the S-300 in the
MIddle East is now open for renegotiation. On the other hand, Lavrov knows that neither the US
nor Israel can be trusted to abide by the terms of any negotiated outcome. So in the *best* case
scenario, he may be hoping to gain by this gambit a significant (if temporary) reduction of US / Israeli
/ Saudi military interference in the Russian attempt to bring Syria to political settlement.

Would Israel rather: (1) see the US withdraw from a Syria that does not have the S-300?
(2) see the US remain within a Syria that does have the S-300?

The US will not bomb any Syrian S-300s while Russia is around. Israel would have to
take this task on itself. But does Israel *really* want to take on this task? Given that
it could go very badly in any number of ways?

Posted by: WJ | Apr 20, 2018 11:12:32 AM | 193

@193
The S-300 carrot & stick has legs.
>May 30, 2013 - Israel could overcome advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missiles if they were deployed in Syria but any strikes on the system would be difficult.
>Dec 1, 2015 - For Israel, more problematic have been Russia's plans to sell the less advanced, but hardly less problematic S-300 missile system to both Syria and Iran

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20, 2018 11:20:44 AM | 194

emily 182 don't worry about some ppl here who to put it mildly are grossly impolite and won't engage with reasonable attitude in some discussion, it is their loss, after all. it is.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 20, 2018 11:25:41 AM | 195

The scientific service of the german Bundestag calls the bombing contrary to international law: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/syrien-bundestags-gutachten-verurteilt-vergeltungsschlag-von-usa-und-co-a-1204004.html

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 20, 2018 11:25:51 AM | 196

UN-OPCW JIM report

Gumby @153 -
"Also, note that his UN-OPCW JIM report was not accepted by either the UN or the OPCW"

Okay, I know that people will say that it was rejected at the UN because of the Russia UNSC veto trump card but do you have a reference to the OPCW rejection?

Assad coercing witnesses in Douma

Yikes, I read the BBC link. I was hoping to find an obvious falsehood because the WH's and NGO's have been getting sloppy lately but it's the perfect lie. They claim 'to have heard from' people who have had their families threatened.

So how does one go about refuting this? The lying NGO's in the UK are basically saying that they got a cell phone call from one of the medical workers left in Syria. Oh, and they can't tell you who because they will face reprisals. I hate those lying SOB's.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 20, 2018 11:43:12 AM | 197

Referring to the Shulgin speech, Shulgin was not correct when he stated "In other words, this document confirms that in the United States the “Novichok”-type nerve agents were not just produced but also patented as a chemical weapon." The document is US patent 9,200,877, issued December 1, 2015, sole inventor Derren Rubin. Shulgin quoted column 11, lines 25-30, which mentions Novichok agents and others.

US 9,200,877 is a concept patent in its entirety. The specification contains no examples that demonstrate Rubin actually produced a projectile (bullet) containing a biologically active substance, or used such a projectile to demonstrate enhanced lethality as claimed (claim 1). Rubin's idea has many aspects (characteristics), including a method of assembly of the projectile (Fig. 2). Each paragraph after column 6 focuses on one of the aspects, describing the aspect in broad language. However, nothing in the language suggests Rubin actually reduced to practice any aspect of the invention, including assembling the projectile using a Novichok agent. This type of patent, also referred to as a prophetic invention, is permissible in the US.

The publicly available prosecution record of US 9,200,877 also contains no affidavits indicating actual experimental work was performed.

Therefore, US 9,200,877 does not confirm Novichok-type nerve agents were produced in the US, only that the inventor was aware of Novichok-type agents (and others listed). Also, US 9,200,877 does not patent Novichok-type nerve agents as a chemical weapon. The term Novichok does not appear anywhere in the claims, nor any other specific biologically active agent.

Rubin obtained a second patent US 9,377,278, which is a continuation-in-part of US 9,200,877. Rubin also obtained a third patent US 9,945,650, which is a continuation-in-part of US 9,377,278. This means the idea evolved with time to include additional aspects that under US law were patentably distinct over the previous related inventions. The original invention was also filed internationally. The cost of the preparation, filing fees, and prosecution fees in all the jurisdictions would be sizeable, generally beyond the average citizen's means.

The record shows that none of the Rubin patents have been assigned to a corporation or other entity at this time. Rubin appears to be the sole owner.

Despite the inaccuracies, Shulgin should be thanked for shining a light on a US resident seeking multiple US and foreign patents relating to firearm projectiles that can contain chemical nerve agents for enhanced lethality.

Posted by: mrr52 | Apr 20, 2018 12:16:18 PM | 198

"emily 182 don't worry about some ppl here who to put it mildly are grossly impolite and won't engage with reasonable attitude in some discussion, it is their loss, after all. it is.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 20, 2018 11:25:41 AM | 196"

ditto...

Posted by: james | Apr 20, 2018 12:19:19 PM | 199

ot - pat langs site using disqus...

"We are unable to post your comment because you have been banned by Sic Semper Tyrannis."

that didn't take long, lol...

Posted by: james | Apr 20, 2018 12:34:48 PM | 200

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