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April 24, 2018

Syria-Iraq - U.S. Coddles ISIS - Others Plan For The Final Fight

OIR Spokesman Verified account @OIRSpox - 15:02 UTC - 24 Apr 2018

#Iraq's strike on a known Daesh HQ in Syria was planned/conducted by the Iraqi Security Forces, w/ support from @CJTFOIR. This strike shows Iraq's willingness to do what's necessary to secure its citizens as well as their important role in the Global @Coalition to #defeatDaesh

The above tweet by the spokesperson for the U.S. Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR) against ISIS is extremely misleading if not false. The U.S. is trying to take some credit for a strike which was done without its consensus. The attack against ISIS was initiated by an anti-U.S. alliance as a warning against further U.S. shenanigans with ISIS.

The U.S. military in Syria has refrained from fighting ISIS for months. The map of the territory held by ISIS (grey) at the Syrian-Iraqi border in the U.S. controlled zone north of the Euphrates (yellow) has not changed since November 2017.


Livemap: Nov 30 2017, Apr 24 2018 - bigger, bigger

(The yellow corridor going south east towards Iraq on the map is misleading. The U.S. has no forces there and ISIS crossed it several times to attack Syrian forces (red) across the river.)

The British group Airwars documents the U.S. airstrikes in Iraq and Syria. U.S. strikes on ISIS in Syria are down to one per day or less:


Source: Airwars - bigger

The U.S. strikes hit, if anything, only very minor targets. From OIR's weekly summary from March 30 to April 5 (Syria only):

Between March 30 and April 5, Coalition military forces conducted nine strikes consisting of 11 engagements in Syria and Iraq.
There were no reported strikes conducted in Syria on April 5, 2018.
There were no reported strikes conducted in Syria on April 4, 2018.
There were no reported strikes conducted in Syria or Iraq on April 3, 2018.
There were no reported strikes conducted in Syria on April 2, 2018.
On April 1 in Syria, Coalition military forces conducted one strike consisting of three engagements against Daesh targets.
• Near Abu Kamal, one strike engaged a Daesh tactical unit and destroyed a Daesh vehicle.
On March 31 in Syria, Coalition military forces conducted one strike consisting of one engagement against Daesh targets.
• Near Abu Kamal, one strike engaged a Daesh tactical unit.
On March 30 in Syria, Coalition military forces conducted one strike consisting of one engagement against Daesh targets.
• Near Shadaddi, one strike engaged a Daesh tactical unit and destroyed a Daesh vehicle.

Two cars and three assumed militants (aka 'tactical units') targeted in one week is not a fight at all. The total number of ISIS fighters in the area is estimated between 5,000 and 12,000. The current U.S. strikes are not even pinpricks.

It is obvious that the U.S. wants to keep ISIS alive and well to again use it, if need be, against the Syrian and Iraqi government. Then Secretary of State Kerry as well as then President Obama admitted that they used ISIS to put pressure on the Syrian President Assad and then Prime Minister of Iraq Maliki:

The reason, the president added, “that we did not just start taking a bunch of airstrikes all across Iraq as soon as ISIL came in was because that would have taken the pressure off of [Prime Minister Nuri Kamal] al-Maliki.

We now see a repeat of such 'games'. ISIS was given time to rest. It is regaining capacities especially in Iraq's Anbar province where it is moving between villages and threatening the inhabitants. It is issuing new strategic instructions to its followers and calls on them to attack or sabotage the upcoming elections in Iraq.

As the U.S. is unwilling to fight ISIS, the governments of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Russia (+ Hizbullah) decided to again take the issue into their own hands. On April 19 the 4+1 met for coordinating their future campaigns.


Patch of the 4+1 op-room - via @IraqiSecurity - bigger

Military officials from Iraq, Syria, Iran and Russia meet in their Baghdad operations room to coordinate the further fight against ISIS. Note the four flags on the head table.


Source: @IraqiSecurity - bigger

Source: @IraqiSecurity - bigger

The Iranian Minister of Defense Brig. Gen. Amir Hatami attended the op-room meeting and held additional meetings with leaders of the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) or Hashd al-Shaabi. (IRGC commander Qassem Soleimani, a red rag for all anti-Iranian forces, is now intentionally kept out of sight.)


Source: IRNA via @Sadattawa - bigger

The high level operations room meeting agreed upon future operations and strikes. Before the meeting military intelligence officials of the 4+1 had identified a potential target for a common operation. An attack was planned and designed to give the new combat phase some fresh impetus. It was also intended to be a warning to the U.S.

Shortly after the meeting the Iraqi air force hit an ISIS command and control center in east-Syria near Abu Kamal within the nominally U.S. controlled zone:

According to an Iraqi military spokesperson, the operation was fully coordinated with the Syrian army.

The Iraqi Ministry of Defense distributed video of the successful strike on a three story villa. Iraq later announced that 36 ISIS fighters, including high ranking ISIS commanders, were killed in the strike.

After the strike had happened the U.S. Operation Inherent Resolve tried to take credit for the attack by claiming that its was involved.

SOUTHWEST ASIA – The Iraqi air force conducted an air strike near Hajin, Syria, against Daesh terrorists operating near the Iraq-Syria border on April 19. The strike was approved by the Iraqi Prime Minister and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Dr. Haider Al Abadi.

The strike demonstrates Iraq’s commitment to destroy Daesh remnants who continue to threaten their citizens. The operation was planned and executed by the Iraqi Joint Operations Command with intelligence support from the Coalition.

“This operation highlights the capabilities of Iraq’s armed forces to aggressively pursue Daesh and to maintain their country’s internal security,” said Brig. Gen. Robert B. Sofge, deputy commanding general of operations, Combined Joint Task Force – Operation Inherent Resolve.

The Combined Joint Task Force – Operation Inherent Resolve’s mission is to defeat Daesh in designated areas in Iraq and Syria, and sets conditions for follow-on operations to increase regional stability.

My sources say that the U.S. claim is misleading if not completely false. After the four commanders in the Baghdad op-room decided on the strike, the Iraqi command initiated the pre-planned attack. The Iraqis informed the U.S. OIR command that a strike would happen but gave only a rough description of the target area. Said differently - no time was given to the U.S. to warn ISIS. The U.S. "intelligence support" for the operation consisted of keeping its planes out of the way.

The tweet by the OIR spox quoted above is a repeat of the statement the OIR command issued on April 19. It is claiming credit where non belongs.

While the U.S. coddles with ISIS in Syria to again use it for its own purpose, the 4+1 plan for a larger common operation to finally destroy the Takfiri menace. I expect that operation to begin only after the Iraqi parliament election on May 12 is over and a new Iraqi government is in place. Enough forces will have to be prepared on the Syrian as well as the Iraqi side of the border. On the Syrian side a military bridge to cross the Euphrates has recently been rebuild by the Syrian military and new equipment is arriving in the area.  The meeting of the Iranian defense minister with the PMU hints at a strong role for these units in the upcoming fight.

Will the U.S. try to prevent or undermine the plan or will it stay out of the way?

 

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94 Karlofi- I like your thinking

Posted by: col from oz | Apr 26 2018 0:29 utc | 101

Grieved @100--

IMO, the fundamental error made by Globalists was the deliberate hollowing-out of their primary asset--North America--brought about by their insatiable greed that caused the technological deficiency I mentioned, as well as what is clearly internal economic dislocation and destabilization that will eventually cause the rise of a potent countervailing domestic power more dangerous to Globalists than the nascent Multipolar Alliance. So far, the Propaganda System's blacked out a good deal of evidence of this rising force nationally (including Canada and Mexico), but it gets some local news coverage in most areas--plus there's the Social Media Wild Card.

Lots of Summit action in next several months that can impact the current dynamic. Plus, there're two different actions within Syria that could drastically change the current facts on the ground. Yes, interesting times indeed!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 0:48 utc | 102

@95/99 FSFF.. thanks.. not only do you not know me very well - as the assumption written into your post @95 highlights, but there is nothing further to say about any of what you've said either... cheers - james

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 0:59 utc | 103

@ karlof1, Grieved, et about the "What is unlikely is that the Globalists will give up." concept

I think there are two "definitions" of Globalists

One is the US as the latest instantiation of empire and

Two is the collection of private finance institutions that form the core globalist control mechanisms representing the blood flow of our species

I think you are referring to the first and the second is what we are seeing the opening salvo of skirmishes about....economic war.

Yes, the US will lose the first, that is a given by now; but will the owners of private finance lose also? That is yet to evolve clearly enough to tell.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2018 1:04 utc | 104

Exactly how are US troops entering Syria? I assume it’s through Kurdish territory in Iraq. I sure hope Erdogan stops US troops from entering from Turkey. Turkey and Iraq can, at the end of the day, close their borders to US troop movements. Iraq should do so not just on its border with Syria but it should simply stop them from entering Iraq from anywhere (sea, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi, Turkey). That would be a game changer.

I personally wonder If/whenwe will see Syria close it’s air space to US aircraft. Just the existence of a strong multi layered air defense might do the job sans an actual confrontation....maybe if it’s real.

Those two things together would make US troops exposed, sitting ducks in Syria. Yes the US would fight both at least verbally but I’m not sure how far it would go beyond that if the air defense threat was legit.

Posted by: Alaric | Apr 26 2018 1:26 utc | 105

@102 karlof1

That's a great point. Why did the controllers of the US hollow it out and strip it of substance - from the sheer, rapacious joy of greed - when they could have kept it performing strongly for much longer, centuries even, with a sufficiently deft hand on the tiller?

What made the parasites of the host think that they only had to keep the game going for a few decades, and then it would be, um, mission accomplished?

The answer perhaps is in Alastair Crooke's latest piece - somebody linked it, and I'm sure if was from this site but I can't find it now. Apologies and many thanks to the poster. So, as to the end of history, and the success of the ploy - versus the continuing of the game - please see this seminal piece:
The West’s Trauma of its Dissolution - Monday, 4/23/18

Crooke points out the trap of thinking there is an end to things: "do this, then happiness forever". I call this an eternal human error, but he clothes this in the workings of nations and centuries, religions and beliefs, revolutions and schemes, across the ages. It's not meant to be a scholarly piece, but it traverses time and distance in this political world to show the current fix we're in.

He's trying to show the absolution that guilt seeks as it commits its atrocities, calmed by the thought that one day it will be over. Combined with this is the negation of any other in the equation. There can be no other equal, and this supports amorality - but which comes first depends who's writing the article. It's a tricky piece to write, I think - certainly to read. And even Crooke might wish for a few thousand more words and another weekend to turn it into a full essay. But it works, and I recommend it.

Crooke is saying essentially that the neocons and those who love them thought it would all be over by now, but they must now look up and see that it is not, and that the game continues - and that they are not the only players, and least of all are they the superior ones. The psychic shock of this encounter is what they are currently holding at bay. We haven't yet seen what it looks like when that barrier of denial breaks and they are flooded with realization.

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Personally, I predict absorption by the ground, call it humiliation or humility. I don't see that they will have any psychic or moral strength to fight this realization when it overwhelms them. They will say, "the army is broken" and go lie down for a quarter of a century. And they will awaken stripped of all power and all credibility, and in the Asian Century.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 26 2018 2:29 utc | 106

@ karlof1, Grieved, psychohistorian, et about the "What is unlikely is that the Globalists will give up." concept.

It has seemed to me that the US has served as the enforcement arm of the Globalists. It is largely US military might which has "brought to heel" those who resist serving the whims of the supra-atioal facial elitists.

So, why have the Globalists so hollowed out the US?

There is the Grand Incompetence Theory. They were just too greedy to see the error of their ways.

Otherwise, if they still know what they're doing, perhaps they think the US working class is obsolete. Perhaps they even think the US military as it exists is extinct. There's much talk about whether the weapons systems Russia has developed have made traditional military might obsolete.

The topic of Russian Electronic Warfare has come up o MoA threads several times. This is an interesting article/speech by US General about that.

American General Says 'Adversaries' Are Jamming AC-130 Gunships in Syria

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 3:25 utc | 107

My "n" key stopped working, so I've been cut and pasting it in.

I missed correcting in above post "supra-national financial" elitists.

My "h" key has also stopped, so text is hard. Sorry for screw ups.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 3:28 utc | 108

Wed. 4/25/18

Amy Goodman’s Democracynow! has risen” to the status that it got to kick off the “Save Syria: Idlib Chapter” propaganda campaign. She opened her broadcast today bewailing the “humanitarian crisis” developing in Idlib - where Jihadis and their “families” have chose to scurry after being defeated in battle against the Syria Army.

She specified “a million civilians” living there, implying they were all fleeing the Syrian government - if not President Assad personally.

This same sort of propaganda campaign has prefaced each major confrontation between the Syrian Army and the “rebel” Jihadis. Expect a new set of pre-pubescent “journalists” to begin Tweeting and even live-streaming “save the children” pleas for “no fly zones” and a “muscular” military targeting of Syrian governmental and military centers.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 3:29 utc | 109

amy goodman... a real idiot or worse - intentional at this point. fuck, but the pay better be good for these liars to sleep at night..

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 3:41 utc | 110

James, I'm going for "worse." I am among a large umber of democracynow! viewers who sent Goodman the evidence on White helmets, etc. She knows what she's doing.

Check this out:

The French state backed Lafarge corporation in Syria which operated under #ISIS, its ops were monitored & approved by #France's secret services & Foreign Affairs.

https://twitter.com/les_politiques/status/988388350007504897

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 4:14 utc | 111

@ Berman — YPG is the problem, not solution. US gambled wrong, following Hillary’s
failed policies. Turkey has a difficult task of preventing a series of Kosovo like entities to
be formed in the region, separating Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria — preventing infrastructure,
trade, and energy flows. Afrin YPG refused Russian mediation to rejntegrate with Syria.
It was a step in the direction of declaring independence. Now they are under Thrkush
occupation, which blocks YPG from smuggling Western arms from Kurds in Turkey to IDLIB.

Kurds are only 5% of population, and tried to be overlords from Deir Azzor to Manbij
and Raqqa. Now that their forces are pulled back to Kobane, to defend from eventual
attack crom Turkey— US is all alone.

Posted by: Bianca | Apr 26 2018 5:52 utc | 112

France threat Syria again,
France, US & allies to ‘build Syria of tomorrow’ - Macron
https://www.rt.com/news/425159-macron-trump-syria-plan/

Posted by: Anon | Apr 26 2018 6:08 utc | 113

Anon | Apr 26, 2018 2:08:25 AM | 113

thanks for that link.

in the light of that rt's article everything is pointing to fact that the west is not going to give up on 'free' Syria. wan way or the other. Until (and even today) yesterday the west have supported regime change policy and employing the dead squads across Syria and now a days they would be in business of reconstruction of the same!

Faced with military defeat the regime change policy has been shaped and taking different approach by its creators. The state of Syria devastated by war is in need for money, it would be a huge mistake to take one cent from the west as it is mistake not shut down that cement factory. It would be betrayal of those who perished in fight. I wouldn't even allow them to open embassies in Damascus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es2G50641lU

"...is it realistic to think that any international institution gives money to Assad?"

so-called "political process" should be under the UN leadership i.e. the West.


Posted by: partisan | Apr 26 2018 10:23 utc | 114

Clearly Trump, Macron, Merkel and their satraps ought to read Clausewitz's About the War. Nor that abovementioned idiots understand the message when Assad returned that buffonish French medal.

Posted by: partisan | Apr 26 2018 10:28 utc | 115

I do not thin k the US at the moment is functioning in a "Globalist" way. "Globalist "imo is not necessarily imperialistic, ie. the EU is "globalistic" in its outview, but it is not imperialistic as such, at least not millitarily. Except for some stans, like Poleistan and Balicastan, mostly populations fed on nationalist tribe and completely dependent on the coffers of the EU, ie. us that live in contributing countries.
Back to the US, the US is in amental state taken from the 18-19 century, after WWII they discovered there were alone at the top, the British bankrupt and Germany destroyed, Soviet not yet a credible opponent. So they set out to shape the world in their view. Now Americans then and now are two different animals. Americans then truely believed in the spread of democracy, freedom and all that jazz. The UN was not a bad idea.
Come Sputnik 4/10/1957 and the world turned. Suddenly the US felt threatened, it was not alone on the top and the MIC had indeed gained thee upper hand in the US. So the US went into fear drive and was there until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now they were top dog again and decided they would never lapse again. Never mind that the US had transformed enormously from 1955 to 1991. Mostly by collapsing its industries and collapsing the health and education systems by outsourcing. All the things we in poor 60ties Europe admired in the US. Gone. Corporate money and Wall Street had taken over the US. Domination of the world by either economics or the military was and is the agenda, bend or die....
Now, not many states had Nuclear weapons, the only thing that would keep the Hegemon leashed, apparently nuclear weapons would deter the Evil Empire from interfering, so some states who felt in the crosshairs pursued this goal. Even Sweden thought of it at some point, but scrapped the idea. ( We could probably make a few in 3 months, if need be), as did Germany and many other European countries. Not anything to wonder about as WWI and WWII ruined Europe twice. Europe says war is a declaration of moral ineptitude.
However, Europe can not fully (yet) disentangle from the Evil Empire, but it will eventually, especially now we are rid of the disgusting morally corrupt Britain (I hope all their bums itch and their arms are too short) we can now get on with the European project and start adult talks on bringing less developed nations into some drive forward, act on climate change ect, ect. Funnily enough both Russia and China are in sync with us on this. Maybe this OBOR thingie is noticed in Brussels too.
Being an European, with no military might I can only say to Trump : Your mother was a hamster and your father smellt of eldeberry.... And maybe someone will chuck a Holy hand grenade at them.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Apr 26 2018 12:04 utc | 116

@ Berman — YPG is the problem, not solution.[...] Afrin YPG refused Russian mediation to rejntegrate with Syria.
It was a step in the direction of declaring independence. Now they are under Thrkush
occupation, which blocks YPG from smuggling Western arms from Kurds in Turkey to IDLIB.

Posted by: Bianca | Apr 26, 2018 1:52:57 AM | 112

I must stress that I wrote a hypothetical scenario what would be USA doing were they inclined to wipe the ISIS enclave that abuts the territory they control/support [??]. Which they are not for now. That said, it is a phantasmagory that Afrin was used to smuggle arms to Idlib: the arms were, and are, coming directly from Turkey, trucked under MIT (Turkish intelligence) supervision, while Turkey was blockading Afrin. Afrin was supplied through SAA controlled territory. Turkey supplied ISIS too, and Erdogan was literally livid when YPG closed the border with Turkey for them.

The events in north Syria make scant sense if you follow the news, but what western intelligence agencies AND MIT are doing is hardly ever in the news. For all we know, Turkey may be protesting the presence of Americans, French etc. in NE Syria while their personel and goods quietly cross through Turkey. My guess is that they need more than one route and Turkey remains one of them, either through some agreement with Erdogan, or a direct agreement between CIA and MIT -- do they need to worry their respective presidents with every triffle?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 26 2018 12:41 utc | 117

Thanks to both psychohistorian and Grieved for thoughtprovoking turns of phrase, and I quote:

psychohistorian:

"...the core globalist control mechanisms representing the blood flow of our species..."

Grieved:

"...absorption by
the ground, call it humiliation or humility...[no] psychic or moral strength to fight this realization when it overwhelms them..."

After reading the Alistair Crooke piece, I returned to Grieved's comment to find the above enlightening thoughts, which for me link back to psychohistorian's "blood flow of the species." And for me, to the recently reported banking hiccup in Great Britain, apparrently caused by the latest megamerger between giant entities no longer capable of having sex (sorry, I'm not from Silicon Valley).

Time for a healthy dose of humility.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 26 2018 14:14 utc | 118

@111 daniel.. i swear france is one fucked up country under it's present leadership.. i had heard that story on lafarge before.. i see @113 anon post is more of the same..

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 15:37 utc | 119

For psychohistorian

From The Automatic Earth today was this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/kirsten-gillibrand-proposes-public-option-for-banking.html

with the accompanying discussion about the P.O. begin to provide banking services. In Ireland, this is the case and seems to work well but Irish economy having ca. 5 million people does not have great depth so can carry on without large problems, the people know where their TDs live. For a country like the U.S. one needs consider a 63x larger population factored in and the accompanying controls needed to manage such a system where nobody knows anything about those responsible.

Is this the 'public financing' of which you speak? Other countries also have banking services incorporated into their postal systems as well and they all appear to be problem free. However, each country having postal banking has only one such bank, there cannot be another competing bank. Also these banks are severely controlled, needed to make them work. None of these banks has much capacity to provide loans to their clients, operating mostly as a value storage and transfer service. Another factor is these banks are sheltered from most governmental political interference in their operations - no accounting hanky-panky permitted. The only thing these banks don't do is financing to any large degree as that invites political mischief. Just something for your consideration. Apologies for the OT.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 26 2018 16:15 utc | 120

On the Syrian side a military bridge to cross the Euphrates has recently been rebuild by the Syrian military and new equipment is arriving in the area

How many bridges across Euphrates do exist? Russian military specialists build a bridge to cross Euphrates in September 2017. Some months later, in February 2018, this bridge was destroyed (US-backed "rebels" deliberately opened the dam, which led to an increase in the water level in the Euphrates, and that was the reason for the collapse of the bridge). Recently Russian military specialists restored this bridge (this fact was also mentioned during one of the recent briefings of the Russian MoD).

Just wondering what is the bridge rebuild by the Syrian military?

Posted by: alaff | Apr 26 2018 16:47 utc | 121

Formerly T-Bear @120--

Psychohistorian looks at banking/finance as a natural monopoly similar in manner to utilities like water, power, etc., that work best when owned by the public because the profit motive is removed and thus user costs are diminished and distributed much more equitably than with any privately owned system. I also agree with this formulation. Long ago the Sages knew all about the evils of usury and its associate greed. Islam has had the most success in eliminating it, which is one of the major reasons for the multipronged attack on Islam. Then there're the Catholic and Islamic Tithes that were/are, respectively, imposed as leveling mechanisms to control wealth disparity. Gaddafi's Libya was perhaps the best example of that philosophy put into practice, which is why it was destroyed. Of course, these are all my own words and view of the subject, and I don't mean to try and speak for my fellow Oregonian.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 16:56 utc | 122

@ karlof1 | Apr 26, 2018 12:56:43 PM | 122

Tito's Yugoslavia was very good example in Europe, although without oil, and that is why it was destroyed by FUKUS.

Posted by: ex-SA | Apr 26 2018 17:24 utc | 123

@80 Piotr Berman

Honestly, bombing has little effect on a prepared opponent, and does it makes a scant difference if there is one or five ineffectual bombings per day..
####

This makes me think of the attack on Yugoslavia in 1999 where army and its defenses came out substantially unscathed, but the 'shock and awe' was really impressive on tv and destroyed plenty of civilian infrastructure.

There was no Plan B as NATO countries could not agree on having credible ground forces and the bombing was only supposed to last a few days before surrender.

But as we all know, 70 odd days later drunkard Yeltsin withdrew Russian support, not to mention threats by the US to carpet bomb Belgrade if he didn't.

The Yugo army removed all demolition devices in the tunnels leading in to Kosovo and NATO waltzed in.

Even then, Russian paras flew in to Slatina airbase near Pristina ahead of those forces and General Wesley Clark ordered UK General Michael Rose to fire upon the.

Gen. Rose refused. Of course, things have moved on since then with the likes of private mercenaries like Blackwater/whatever and Gulfie sponsored terrorists, but if you are willing to fight and you have a major supporter, it's still quite doable.

Posted by: et Al | Apr 26 2018 17:54 utc | 124

@116 Den Lille Abe - "Now they were top dog again and decided they would never lapse again."

Thank you,that was an excellent description of what the US did and how it felt, in my opinion. Very nicely said.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 26 2018 17:59 utc | 125

@ 122 karlof1 | Apr 26, 2018 12:56:43 PM

Acknowledgement of your reply.
Last time a public natural monopoly existed as you describe, the people were building pyramids while the Nile flooded. Another group over in Mesopotamia were doing something similar with ziggurats. Worked well for scribes and accountants and the priests who oversaw things, the others, well … admit some progress has been accomplished since.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 26 2018 18:20 utc | 126

A note on nomenclature: Isolationism, Autarky, Internationalism, Globalism, Imperialism, Globalization.

Several comments on my several dissertations make clear the need to provide definitions to the above terms as I understand and use them.

Isolationism doesn't require cutting one's nation off from all others; rather, it advocates the fundamental focus of policy be directed at the homeland, not overseas, and still allows for international commerce. Historically, within the Outlaw US Empire, it's the political opposite of Internationalism.

Autarky is best exemplified by the Edo/Tokugawa era within Japanese history and means 100% self-sufficiency/self-reliance: All emphasis is on developing the homeland while deliberately shunning all international influences--including commerce. The current concept of resiliency is similar but allows for commerce and other outside influences provided they promote the community's resiliency.

Internationalism: As hinted above, this is the political opposite of Isolationism and advocates for deep involvement in global affairs--but not to the point of Imperialism. Its most prominent appearance within US history was during the Great Depression--particularly the 1932 election where FDR made extra efforts to mask his Internationalism at a time when the public cried for a more Isolationist focus due to the crisis. Today, Putin and Xi are the epitomes of Internationalism with their Win-Win doctrine and sovereign equivalence along with the need for International Law to be paramount. Oh, yes, there's another difference with Isolationism, which doesn't recognize the subordination of Domestic law to International Law despite what the 1787 Constitution says in what's known as the Supremacy Clause. The major reason why the USA didn't join the League of Nations was the argument over that issue.

Globalization: The growing interconnectivity of humanity over time that's been ongoing ever since the first hominids migrated from Africa. It's fundamentally a natural, neutral process that was accelerated during the 1400s by technology and greed--the latter being the evil component that's still present today. People protest against globalization because of the evil facets that latched onto the process, whereas there's no way to stop that basic process as its natural--a priori.

Imperialism: The policy of attaining hegemony over lands and people outside of the homeland, which is based upon competition for fundamental--life essential--resources and stems from primal human nature. All the major religions and philosophies have tried to harness this most destructive aspect of human nature, but with little successes to show over millennia. It's very clear from the pronouncements from Putin, Xi and their allies that they no longer intend to engage in such a policy, see it for the evil it is, and desire to rid it from human relations, which is in stark contrast to the Outlaw US Empires repeated announcements seeking Full Spectrum Dominance over the planet--100% hegemony.

Globalism: This concept arose along with the rise of multinational corporations and the linkages and interconnectivities they've established since 1945. David Korten's When Corporations Rule the World details this history and policy goal. Essentially, attaining hegemony over nations through the use of various multilateral regulatory agencies that were established in 1944--the Bretton Woods group--IMF, World Bank, and WTO, which was proposed then but nixed by the UK but added later. NAFTA and other so-called trade pacts are part of this system that seeks to overcome local and national democracy through the imposition of laws/regulations never agreed to or voted upon by the general public. Also seen as happening with the connivance of the Outlaw US Empire since that's where most of the corporations involved arose and where such goals are pushed by POTUS regardless of party. So, a Globalist is one who promotes Globalism. The transition to pushing a Globalist agenda began during Carter's administration in 1977-78.

Yes, I omitted a few concepts like Colonialism and its Neo consort. I wanted to end this by providing a citation from the Foreign Relations of the United States 1946-47, but can't locate it at the moment. It observed that the USA consisted of just 4% of global population but consumed 60% of global natural resources, a disparity unlikely to continue as numerous nations will protest; so, the goal of post-war US policy is to try to continue that disparity for as long as possible, which is why the Cold War was required--it served as cover for the continuing exploitation of post-colonial nations's resources. That cover is now provided by the Global War OF Terror. Now that the actual reason for the many wars since 1945's been revealed, many ought to see why neocons and neoliberals both refer to it as the Unending War.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 18:32 utc | 127

@karlof1

that's well and fine. but I'm curious what's origin of these terms, and these definitions?

Posted by: partisan | Apr 26 2018 18:50 utc | 128

@ et Al | Apr 26, 2018 1:54:55 PM | 124

Yugoslavia had been destroyed in 1992 by one of the first "color revolutions", and country attacked by NATO in 1999 was Greater Serbia ...

Posted by: ex-SA | Apr 26 2018 19:21 utc | 129

James @119.
France has never been as “good” at colonialism as Great Britain, but I see Micron’s ;-) escalation in Syria as merely a continuation of French mena policies. It’s a straight line from Micron’s and Hollande’s Syria to Sarkozy’s Libya in 2011, or Algeria in the 1960s or really, to “French Indochina” in the 1940s/50s.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 19:25 utc | 130

@130 Or, history alert, it can be traced back to Pope Urban II (aka Odo of Chatillon) and the Council of Clermont in 1095.

Posted by: dh | Apr 26 2018 19:40 utc | 131

@ 127 karlof1 | Apr 26, 2018 2:32:07 PM

I wanted to end this by providing a citation from the Foreign Relations of the United States 1946-47, but can't locate it at the moment. It observed that the USA consisted of just 4% of global population but consumed 60% of global natural resources, a disparity …

What percent of the world's GDP was the U.S. producing in your cited years? That has a lot to do with consumption of resources. Europe was economically directed on repairing the ravages of war after much of their production plant was damaged and whatever investment capital was being hoarded rather than being invested. The U.S. had the only intact industrial plant capable of sufficient production but faced buyers without cash. The Marshal Plan grew out of that.

What follows out of your last paragraph is self serving propaganda for some later agenda of dubious historical merit - an opinion at best. YMMV

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 26 2018 19:42 utc | 132

@130 daniel... all this ziocrack neo cons join in regardless where they live! sometimes it feels like i live on a planet of walking zombies.. macron certainly fits the stereotype.. plain jane looking boredom that is the clasic look of todays politician.. are goofus in charge here in canada looks much the same.. vacant look when ever they have to regurgitate the official talking points of empire.. i suppose i am trying hard to make a joke out of how these folks approach the value of others lives... oh well..

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 19:51 utc | 133

Formerly T-Bear @126

Actually, The Bank of North Dakota (BND) is precisely the sort of publicly-owned structure that psychohistorian, I and others here call for to replace private banking. Iraq, Libya, Syria and Venezuela all have - or had prior to imposed ‘democratization” - similar publicly-owned banking systems (private central banks were imposed on Iraq and Libya before the bodies of the dead patriots were cool).

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 19:51 utc | 134

partisan @128--

The terms all existed before my birth in 1955; many precede Aristotle, whose extensive writings about them provide the foundation for much Western philosophical and political thought, although by his time they weren't new topics by any means. It's just that few writings of others that preceded him survived. The Chinese Tao Te Ching could be said to be its Eastern, and older, equivalent.

I majored in History while minoring in a subset of its components--anthropology, political science, economics, and sociology--all within the Outlaw US Empire; so, my definitional biases are skewed by my contextual experience and viewed through the lens of US history. As an instructor, I had to arrive at definitions that made sense to those I taught so they'd be able to understand and remember. Teaching people to understand that they reside within an expansive, imperialistic empire--a daily reality almost never discussed by contemporary media and thus censored by omission--and the importance that they know that reality drove my efforts and still do. To have meaningful discourse, having a shared understanding of concepts is one of its fundamental requirements; and in this case, the diversion seems to be with the concepts of Globalization and Globalism/Globalist along with the ongoing attempt to skew the true meaning of Isolationism within the USA's historical context by conflating it with autarky (which is why I provided its definition).

Hopefully, I satisfied your queries. It was certainly proper of you to ask!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 20:07 utc | 135

karlof1 @127.

Thanks for a brilliantly concise explanation! I've copied it for future plagiarism. ;-)

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 20:10 utc | 136

@ 134 Daniel | Apr 26, 2018 3:51:47 PM

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota

I don't think it is what you take it to be. Thanks though for the refresher, some decades have passed since last encountering that particular populist generated banking scheme. The state owns the depository for its own funds all in one building. Be cautious of anyone trying to sell you a bridge in S.F. Calif., make sure you see the deed before you part with your cash.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 26 2018 20:12 utc | 137

Wikipedia!?! LOL

karlofi1 @135. I have fouhd that teaching actually results ih the teacher becoming wiser, because it requires the teacher to break down what she/he already knows into concise, clear terms for the studehts. This makes the knowledge even clearer in the teachers' minds. You demonstrate it well.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 26 2018 20:22 utc | 138

@ 135 karlof1 | Apr 26, 2018 4:07:45 PM

A book: Charles C. Mann, 1493:How Europe's Discovery of the Americas Revolutionized Trade, Ecology and Life on Earth ISBN978-1-84708-245-9 has an interesting take on the beginning of the modern era. Another by Peter Frankopan, The Silk Roads:A New History of the World ISBN 978-1-4088-3997-3 (hardback) brings nearly 3,000 years of history into a magnificent narrative. Hope these further your historical horizons. Several others are worth a mention but the hour is getting late.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 26 2018 20:28 utc | 139

Formerly T-Bear @132--

The NSC-68 document which explicated the escalating Cold War's rationale built directly upon that paraphrased mind-set. It is indeed "self-serving propaganda" but not mine--it's that of the US Government and its Deep State as it then existed. The entire rationale for the Cold War was based on domestic considerations by that era's Deep State--it greatly feared a relapse into another Great Depression, which would bring about further restrictions on their actions, especially an updated Neutrality Act.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 20:29 utc | 140

@129

https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2000/eur/865.htm

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Montenegro is not 'Greater Serbia'. It also got bombed by NATO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/montenegro050399.htm

Posted by: et Al | Apr 26 2018 20:31 utc | 141

Formerly T-Bear @139--

Thanks for the references. I do have them both on my wish list along with about 40 others. My latest acquisition's Early China: A Social and Cultural History by Li Feng to take my mind away from current issues.

Daniel @138--

In college, we were supposedly taught how to become teachers; but, one can only learn how to be a teacher by teaching, and that requires gaining as deep an understanding of the subject matter you're teaching as possible, thus bolstering your credibility and authoritativeness. It also helps when asked a question to which you don't know the answer to be honest and tell the student "Let's find out together," which provides several teachable moments--research methods and the question's answer. Such an answer also promotes further questioning. And I want questions to be asked since I already know I can lecture. Thanks for your comment!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 21:35 utc | 142

@karlof1

It was George Kennan who commented on that disparity between America's share of the world population and its share of the world's resources. In State Department document PPS23, written 1948.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 26 2018 21:43 utc | 143

Since we're on book recommendations, let me recommend one of the books I'm currently reading, Helmut Schymidt's Nachbar China (Neighbor China). Even though it's by a politician and was published 12 years ago, it's full of brilliant insights. Unfortunately, I don't think it's been translated into English.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 26 2018 21:51 utc | 144

Helmut Schmidt, that should of course have been.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 26 2018 21:53 utc | 145

lysias @143--

Thanks! I finally uncovered my reference, but I'm dogged by the notion that there's another, earlier similar statement. Here's What Kennan said back on 24 Feb 1948, 70 years 2 months ago, in formulating a policy that has yet to be fundamentally changed except in its outward appearances.

"We have 50 percent of the world's wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population... In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment.... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will allow us to maintain this position of disparity.... We should cease to talk about the raising of the living standards, human rights, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 22:53 utc | 146

@119 james and others

Give yourself a laugh. Watch Vladimir Zhirinovsky run down the French, as well as all the G7 puppets, and the US, all in one beautiful rant. This man speaks what many Russians think, and he's enormously entertaining.

He talks back to the news footage playing in the background of this Russian current affairs talk show and tells Trump to stop cleaning Macron's suit "like the cat plays with the mouse". Underneath his extravagant presentation is a lot of clear, strategic perception, which is why everyone, including Putin, hangs on his every word, usually smiling, and usually listening.

“All the French Are Good For Is Groping” - Zhirinovsky on France’s History, Right Up to the Present

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 27 2018 1:09 utc | 147

The Russian Representative to the OPCW brings the doctors and residents of Douma to Hague to testify: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XW8OZnjhWU . Predictably, American, British, and French representatives refuse to visit the briefing.

Posted by: S | Apr 27 2018 2:03 utc | 148

|@ 146 karlof1 | Apr 26, 2018 6:53:39 PM

A lot of difference your #127 "Foreign Relations of the United States 1946-47" and your #140 "The NSC-68 document which explicated the escalating Cold War's rationale …". I trust this is not a bait and switch operation; that would make carrying out conversation somewhat difficult.

A lot of water went under the bridge in the time 1946 and 1948; Churchill had just given his "Iron Curtin" speech in Fulton, Missouri in 1946 that set the stage for the first 'cold war' after losing the British PM the year prior - seems idle hands become the devil's workshop, the world is still paying the piper on that one. [Your Foreign Relations of the U.S. is referenced extensively in Paul Preston, Franco ISBN978-0-00-686210-9 a magnificent historically correct biography of the Spanish dictator, his career, and indirectly the damage to Spain he caused.] Your NSC-68 document is of a later period and a product of conservative resurgence to gain control of foreign policy and counter and disrupt the working relationship with the U.S.S:R. built up during the war. The 'domino theory' of socialist takeover issued the same wellspring and ultimately resulted in the Vietnam experience to discredit that belief structure. Authority again dies a lingering death.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Apr 28 2018 17:25 utc | 149

@119 grieved.. that was quite funny.. thanks!~!

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2018 17:55 utc | 150

Speaking of coddling terrorists: The Austrian peacekeepers in the Golan Heights betray their pledge as "Syrian smugglers" cum Israeli-allied mercenaries butcher a group of Syrian border guards/secret police.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/graphic-video-un-peacekeepers-watch-nine-syrian-policemen-get-ambushed-by-militants-in-golan-heights/

That was in 2013... during the current US-islamoterrorist invasion of Syria. Welcome to the axis, Austria.

Posted by: ntmu | Apr 29 2018 12:24 utc | 151

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