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April 26, 2018
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Syria/Russia have assembled a large body of evidence regarding the White Helmets, the staged filming and other falsifications which show convincingly that no chemical attack occurred. Posted by: Babyl-on | Apr 26 2018 16:35 utc | 2 hey – get better soon b! Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 16:37 utc | 3 Triumph or flop? Russia provides its evidence US’s Syrian raid flopped Posted by: Michael Weddington | Apr 26 2018 16:37 utc | 4 @ 2 babyl-on… you can’t expect the uk watching russia pissing on the propaganda outlet they’ve paid good money for, to be thrilled to see or hear anything about that! there will be a typical knee jerk response from the west on this claiming russia is making a joke of the seriousness of the opcw… and on and on it goes, as the stomach turns… Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 16:39 utc | 5 A sweet headline from Reuters: “Russia presents unharmed Syrians at OPCW, Western allies stay away. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 26 2018 16:43 utc | 6 @ james | Apr 26, 2018 12:37:01 PM | 3 Posted by: Hansi Hausmeister | Apr 26 2018 16:45 utc | 7 @james Posted by: Babyl-on | Apr 26 2018 16:46 utc | 8 b, please get better soon, and make sure to clean your doorknobs. Posted by: WJ | Apr 26 2018 16:59 utc | 9 Mike Maloney @6, Posted by: WJ | Apr 26 2018 17:01 utc | 10 I’m not sure if anyone, here, recognizes what the geopolitical implications will be if peace is declared on the Korean peninsula. Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 26 2018 17:18 utc | 11 @ Pacifica_Advocate with the thoughts about Korean unification Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 26 2018 17:34 utc | 12 The tiny president in france love violence and war, just like Napoleon: Posted by: Anon | Apr 26 2018 17:39 utc | 13 Get well soon, b! Posted by: LXV | Apr 26 2018 18:15 utc | 14 Get well soon, B. I hope you didn’t venture out to a local Zizzi’s to see if its cuisine is superior to their Salisbury establishment. 😉 Posted by: Ort | Apr 26 2018 18:18 utc | 15 Yo, y’all – Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 26 2018 18:19 utc | 16 @7 hansi – i know… people are funny… i read this morning “61% of the American people approve of the FUKUS missile strikes against the fictional chemical weapons target set in Syria.” i guess that sums up the level of stupidity of people.. alternatively, polls are a perfect propaganda tool to massage brains… most just fall for them without thinking of how those who think this way, aren’t really thinking at all! i hope i don’t come across as arrogant.. most people are busy with their day to day lives and don’t have time to look closely at world events, or the backdrop to them.. obviously that is not the case with readers of moa, but generally most people can’t be bothered getting past headline news..polls are perfect for manipulating people accordingly.. Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 18:28 utc | 17 The only plausible deterrent to Mattis’ (et Macro-dandruff’s) increasing belligerence in Syria is called S-400. Posted by: sektion2b | Apr 26 2018 18:34 utc | 18 Hope you get better very soon b. I’m not a dietist or so but maybe stick to yoghurt or something for a couple of days 🙂 Posted by: xor | Apr 26 2018 18:48 utc | 19 Pacifica_Advocate @17– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 18:52 utc | 20 @21 Nice….but it also means 35,000 US personnel and a lot of equipment with nothing much to do. Posted by: dh | Apr 26 2018 18:59 utc | 21 Robert Fisk has a new piece on the Barzeh research centre. He’s trying quite hard to be equivocal but the overall impression is fairly damning of the Western spin machine. Early days, but it’s just possible that the Independent’s editorial policy may be starting to push back. Here’s hoping. Posted by: Cousin Jack | Apr 26 2018 19:06 utc | 23 @ 16 Ort — Posted by: chet380 | Apr 26 2018 19:09 utc | 24 @24 Is independent thinking permitted at the Independent? Fisk comes dangerously close. Of course he is careful to insert a few pokes at Arab dictators. Posted by: dh | Apr 26 2018 19:17 utc | 25 @ Pacifica_Advocate #17 Posted by: Sid2 | Apr 26 2018 19:20 utc | 26 @Ort Posted by: Sid2 | Apr 26 2018 19:37 utc | 27 Get well soon b. Posted by: Tom | Apr 26 2018 19:43 utc | 28 Tom, Posted by: fastfreddy | Apr 26 2018 19:50 utc | 29 Get well soon, our gracious host and thanks for everything you do… Posted by: Almand | Apr 26 2018 19:58 utc | 30 The Korean thaw is no problem for Trump only bonus. He can succeed by just going along and when it suits the USA to get all heated and belligerent you can bet they will. Right now it looks good for some even minute flow og betterment for people in the north. Posted by: flamingo | Apr 26 2018 20:24 utc | 31 Am heavily rooting for Korean unification, but,the little voice in the recesses of my mind tell me that the forces of the evil empire ( U$A/ NATO and their minions), will do everything in their power to NOT let that happen. Posted by: ben | Apr 26 2018 20:44 utc | 32 31 said:” What would a reunification on the Korean peninsula look like? ” Posted by: ben | Apr 26 2018 20:50 utc | 33 Lots of people are misreading events in Armenia; allow Flores to walk you through what’s occurring. And for the record, here’s Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement from yesterday. Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 21:00 utc | 34 b, Posted by: b4real | Apr 26 2018 21:08 utc | 35 Sid2 @28– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 26 2018 21:12 utc | 36 Syrian dirty war Backfires on International Media i like how elijah magnier refers to the msm – “Salafist Wahabist apologists”…. think i will use that too.. Posted by: james | Apr 26 2018 21:14 utc | 37 ‘b’, Posted by: Red Ryder | Apr 26 2018 21:26 utc | 38 Wow, Syria is going to wipeout the majority of the “Left”:
How he’s going to explain supporting kidnappers, murders, drug dealers: Posted by: Tobin Paz | Apr 26 2018 21:37 utc | 39 karlof1 @37 Posted by: mk | Apr 26 2018 22:02 utc | 40 thanks to karlof1 at 37: I’m not looking to start a new discussion here at this point, but glad to see this is a site where such discussion is possible . . . Thanks for this reply. Posted by: Sid2 | Apr 26 2018 22:10 utc | 41 Just why is discussion of 9/11 prohibited or at least discouraged even on most dissenting sites? On Craig Murray’s site, it used to be limited to one thread, which has now been closed, so that now all discussion is prohibited altogether. Posted by: lysias | Apr 26 2018 22:21 utc | 42 @31, Almand Posted by: Lil Bub | Apr 26 2018 22:22 utc | 43 On the Skripal affair, the best information I’ve found (trying to keep up) is at Craig Murray’s blog (the following page as the most recent discussion): Posted by: Sid2 | Apr 26 2018 22:25 utc | 44 @ 42 Posted by: roza shanina | Apr 26 2018 22:28 utc | 45 That US,UK and French aggression on 14th April which caused the loss of 3 buildings and no casualties could go down as the biggest own goal of this war on Syria. Now it is possible that Syria will acquire the S300 and deny US and Israeli air supremacy. They can stop Israeli Jets lobbing missiles from Lebanese airspace, they also have the range to lock on to Israeli Jets taking off from Israeli airfields. Israel is very concerned, as they should be. The Syrians should thank Trump, May and Macron. Posted by: Harry Law | Apr 26 2018 22:32 utc | 46 @ karlof1, mk, lysias–my question is really the same as lysias raises (#43)–i.e. discussion of why the resistance to discussion (not starting a new discussion at this time). At CN, hosted by the venerable Robert Parry, when I mentioned that 9/11, in my opinion, should be considered on a list of false flags I was restricted as described above. Is the reluctance due to how difficult, complex, sprawling, and complex such discussions are? I just don’t get it (as with lysias). Posted by: Sid2 | Apr 26 2018 22:35 utc | 47 Sid2 @ 28: Posted by: Jen | Apr 26 2018 22:38 utc | 48 I was obliged to go to a wedding of Guardian readers, which filled me with great trepidation. The groom was working class and thanks to the trade unions and the Communist Party (where he had met most of the guests) had gone from a carpenter to the position of Deputy Director of a large further education college. He also has a lot of drive, it must be conceded. On the way he had traded in his left wing views for some right wing Blairism, the Economist, an anti-union stance, together with some staunch pro-Zionist views. Obviously, he and I only talk when we have to. Posted by: Lochearn | Apr 26 2018 22:41 utc | 49 The Greanville Post is reporting more attacks on their site, the latest putting them offline for three days. Yesterday they posted a good piece by Danny Haiphong of Black Agenda Report: https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/04/25/cruise-missile-left-complicit-in-american-escalation-toward-world-war-iii/ Posted by: kabobyak | Apr 26 2018 22:49 utc | 50 Good wishes to b. for a Speedy recovery.
Really!! Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 26 2018 22:59 utc | 51 Anyone know where one can get independent reports of movements out of Lakenheath (and Mildenhall?). I recall there was fairly immediate reporting on unusual movements during the height of the the NATO-Ukr “ATO” op in ’14 (as well as arrivals Kharkov et al.). Posted by: Plod | Apr 26 2018 23:01 utc | 52 Sid2 @48 Posted by: mk | Apr 26 2018 23:03 utc | 53 @ 55 Posted by: Lochearn | Apr 26 2018 23:18 utc | 54 Sid2, mk. Besides what mk says, I seem to recall Craig or one of his minders explaining it (some yrs ago) in terms of just the sheer volume of nothing-much posts on that thread. Posted by: Plod | Apr 26 2018 23:27 utc | 55 @ Sid2 — Posted by: Paul | Apr 26 2018 23:28 utc | 56 I thought western media had sunk as low as it could go until I seen the MSM articles on the witnesses from Douma that are appearing at the Hague. Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 26 2018 23:29 utc | 57 Mike Maloney 6 Posted by: Curtis | Apr 26 2018 23:51 utc | 58 911 and education. Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 27 2018 0:16 utc | 59 #40 Tobin Paz 46 roza shanina Chomsky has always had a soft spot for the Kurds, ignoring the terrorists in their midst and the corrupt leadership. I would agree that his political leanings are the reason, as it is hard to square the circle comparing Chomsky’s position on the rule of law in international affairs and his outrage of past ethnic cleansings with the Kurds ethnically cleansing mostly non Kurdish areas under their control. Posted by: Tom | Apr 27 2018 0:25 utc | 60 Russia “will not allow” another US attack on Syria premised on a false flag event… Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 0:35 utc | 61 Just watching the NK/SK live on rt.com Posted by: cdvision | Apr 27 2018 0:48 utc | 62 Don’t miss this piece: Posted by: Allen | Apr 27 2018 0:56 utc | 63 A quite interesting take on the situation in Armenia, with a good overview of how color revolutions are often structured, and might have been circumvented in the present case. Posted by: J Swift | Apr 27 2018 1:13 utc | 64 Perhaps the 9/11 conversation should be avoided to better preserve MoA’s reputation and credibility. Sites such as this that offer thoughtful “alternative” analyses have been and will be attacked on any and all grounds, including the views of commentators. There are those who would like to see MoA lightly dismissed as “The site of 9/11 Truthers.” Posted by: zakukommander | Apr 27 2018 1:22 utc | 65 karlof1 61
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 27 2018 1:27 utc | 66 what Chomsky is doing now re. Syria should raise big questions about what his role has been for the left in the past. Posted by: paul | Apr 27 2018 1:31 utc | 67 Real reason for DPRK nuke testing moratorium is because mountain test site has collapsed after 100 kiloton blast Posted by: Daniel Bruno | Apr 27 2018 1:34 utc | 68 @zakukommander Posted by: lysias | Apr 27 2018 1:36 utc | 70 @ karlof1 with the good description of my/our feelings about public/private finance on the other thread as well as nice definitions of some of the terms we throw around…..was my multiple globalists comment a bit of a stretch?…grin Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2018 1:41 utc | 71 Will the International Criminal Court Prosecute Israel for War Crimes? Posted by: ben | Apr 27 2018 1:42 utc | 72 @psycho #73: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 27 2018 1:46 utc | 73 Lysias @72, Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 2:13 utc | 74 Myself, though, I think the 9/11 “truther” movement went wrong in succumbing to the natural but very dangerous impulse to supply an *alternative* narrative–and then multiple and competing narratives–for 9/11 instead of simply developing and repeating a negative critique of the “official” narrative. One does not need to have a worked out alternative theory of “what happened” on 9/11 to show that the “official” theory has all sorts of problems and inconsistencies. Note that 9/11 “truthers” are ridiculed not for questioning the truth of the official narrative, but for the positive claims propounded in their alternative narrative–and now narratives. This tells you quite a bit. Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 2:25 utc | 75 Take your time b for a full recovery, we’re not in a hurry. Posted by: Paul | Apr 27 2018 2:44 utc | 76 Lysias, Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 2:46 utc | 77 Regarding 9/11, I too share the same sentiments as karlof1. I feel it’s going to take a long time before things get cleared up. Heck, we still have JFK’s assassination to be fully resolved. And when the truth finally is revealed, the majority will not care about it. Posted by: Ian | Apr 27 2018 3:01 utc | 78 Pat Lang has very good post up on Jack Keane and AEI/Zionist long game for Syria. We’ve known this to be the plot, but the sheer explicitness of Keane’s pronouncement of it is worth attending to: Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 3:33 utc | 79 zakukommander | Apr 26, 2018 9:22:15 PM | 67 Posted by: V | Apr 27 2018 3:37 utc | 80 I don’t like reading all this Zionist this and that in comments without proper social anthropological context. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2018 4:21 utc | 81 For those who have not seen it, @Ian56 full ten minute Skype interview with BBC news night is truly epic. They keep trying to make a fool of him and he keeps destroying them all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=sFbPG6fOU1M Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 4:22 utc | 82 A reporter for the Tampa Bay Times speaks with Sue Gordon, who is described as principal deputy director of the Office of National Intelligence. Posted by: jayc | Apr 27 2018 4:30 utc | 83 WJ 81 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 27 2018 4:34 utc | 84 @ lysias 72 Posted by: zakukommander | Apr 27 2018 5:07 utc | 85 Great news of the meeting in Korea, hopefully this will lead to something good. Posted by: Anon | Apr 27 2018 7:49 utc | 86 Have a look at this interview between the BBC’s Stephen Sackur and Fares Shehabi, MP for Aleppo. Sackur plays the BBC/FUKUS line beautifully and sets the poor Shehabi onto the edge of apoplexy! Posted by: Bevin Kacon | Apr 27 2018 7:55 utc | 87 Whoops, sorry… Posted by: Bevin Kacon | Apr 27 2018 7:56 utc | 88 b, please get better soon, and make sure to clean your doorknobs. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 27 2018 8:02 utc | 89 A momentous handshake in Korea here. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 27 2018 9:04 utc | 90 Hoarsewhisperer Posted by: Anon | Apr 27 2018 9:32 utc | 91 Speedy recovery b! Posted by: BM | Apr 27 2018 10:14 utc | 92 @92 — The Japanese must be quiet crapping themselves. Demographics on a national suicide plan; BoJ pumping the Yen like these was not tomorrow; competition from new ‘integrated’ (n)Korean workforce at peanut wages; and now just them and the offshore province of Taiwan hanging out there like Yankee dog’s nuts 10,000km from home base.
Posted by: imo | Apr 27 2018 10:32 utc | 93 Posted by: imo | Apr 27, 2018 6:32:12 AM | 95 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 27 2018 11:34 utc | 94 Its laughable anyone can think Korea unification is a threat to the US . My lord, , people are getting dumber at an accelerated rate. No reunification occurs without the US permission. Any such reunification that is approved benefits the US. Posted by: Pft | Apr 27 2018 12:05 utc | 95 Re WJ comments on Keane I didn’t see the link for video but did watch Keane on a couple of other video’s. Posted by: tg | Apr 27 2018 12:44 utc | 96 Syrian Forces Discover UK, German-Made Chemical Weapons Depot In Douma Posted by: Allen | Apr 27 2018 12:50 utc | 97 @73 Psychohistorian, 17 Posted by: Chipnik | Apr 27 2018 12:59 utc | 99 @98, Posted by: WJ | Apr 27 2018 13:19 utc | 100 |
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