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April 17, 2018
Open Thread 2018-18
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Syria: US in talks over Arab force to replace American troops Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 18 2018 8:01 utc | 101 re 93
So what was it the people on the ground saw and heard (and indeed videoed)? This is conspiracy theory gone mad. Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 18 2018 8:06 utc | 102 So what will happen now? Posted by: Anon | Apr 18 2018 8:10 utc | 103 Ref Arab Legion redux Posted by: Mina | Apr 18 2018 8:18 utc | 104 The Colonial Christian ratfuckers recent unprovoked, lie-based attack on Syria got me wondering about Russia’s apparent impotence. I’m quite uncomfortable with that notion but can’t dismiss it completely because I can’t get a ‘handle’ on what Russia’s strategy is. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2018 8:28 utc | 105 Re: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18, 2018 4:28:52 AM | 102 Oh boy isnt this cringy? Posted by: Anon | Apr 18 2018 8:33 utc | 107 I don’t think its premature to declare game over. Russia won WW3 – there will be a few minor skirmishes, but nothing strategic. Posted by: cdvision | Apr 18 2018 8:33 utc | 108 An excellent summary of the whole Syrian war right up to the present, should open the minds of friends, family and colleagues still partially under the MSM propaganda spell but starting to realise the truth not what they’ve been told. Posted by: apHarri | Apr 18 2018 10:41 utc | 109 Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 18, 2018 12:19:38 AM | 83 Posted by: Carrie | Apr 18 2018 11:05 utc | 110 @89 I will look for the coverage on RT. Thanks. Of course the MSM would not be expected to cover it, because it is at variance of their concept of themselves as the saviors of the Syrian people. Maybe I’ve just not come across it, but I’m curious at the lack of notice in Syrian TV media. For example, why did they not, cover the central Damascus gatherings, as they did very well, and then link to video of the protests in Raqqa? (At least in my preliminary looks.) Posted by: Norumbega | Apr 18 2018 11:13 utc | 111 Paveway IV: Posted by: Glossopteris | Apr 18 2018 11:36 utc | 112 PavewayIV @ 83 & Carrie @107 Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 11:47 utc | 113 EO @78 Posted by: Castellio | Apr 18 2018 12:03 utc | 114 @Glossopteris 109
Electronic warfare. Military action involving the use of electromagnetic and directed energy to control the electromagnetic spectrum or to attack the enemy. Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 12:48 utc | 115 BZ samples tested at Swiss lab in Skripal case ‘nothing to do’ with Salisbury – OPCW chief Posted by: Anon | Apr 18 2018 13:01 utc | 116 @Hoarsewhisperer Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 18 2018 13:01 utc | 117 Don Bacon @112 Posted by: Glossopteris | Apr 18 2018 13:03 utc | 118 @WJ 110
Currently Trump is trying to get KSA assistance in Syria; god luck on that. Anyhow the plan (such as it is) is for the US military to leave. Senator Graham ws “unnerved” by a recent adminstartion briefing on Syria. “It seems to me we are willing to give Syria to Assad, Russia, and Iran, and we’re trying to find some way to leave Syria to keep ISIL destroyed, and I don’t see how that works. I hope I am wrong.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 13:18 utc | 119 @115: Posted by: Ian | Apr 18 2018 13:25 utc | 120 Anon @113, Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 13:32 utc | 121 A correspondent for US network CBS gained access to the alleged attack site in Douma on Monday. Seth Doane spoke to residents of a building where at least 30 bodies are reported to have been found. Posted by: ninel | Apr 18 2018 13:33 utc | 122 Ninel@119, Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 13:39 utc | 123 @119 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 13:49 utc | 124 Don Bacon @116, Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 13:49 utc | 125 @119 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 13:50 utc | 126 @121 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 14:03 utc | 127 WJ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 18 2018 14:12 utc | 128 @Bakerpeter 114 Posted by: financial matters | Apr 18 2018 14:15 utc | 129 PavewayIV Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 18 2018 14:16 utc | 130 @124 Where that carrier ends up, off the Syrian coast or off Iran will be illuminating. Carriers are great against 3rd world countries but for goodness sake anyone would think this is still WW2. Russia has specific missiles to take out carrier fleets which can be fired from thousands of km away. In this century carriers are sitting ducks for a prepared opponent. Posted by: Bill | Apr 18 2018 14:27 utc | 131 re 124
Before this gas attack thing came up, the Truman was going to the Gulf. Has anyone actually said that the plans have changed? Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 18 2018 14:33 utc | 132 @Jackrabbit 124 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 14:35 utc | 133 Don Bacon @123, Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 14:57 utc | 135 We dont have to rely on seeing missile parts to know the Pentagon is lying about the air strikes. We have high resolution pictures of the target site at the research center and we have the claim that they hit that site with 76 cruise missiles with 1000 lb warheads! The level of damage does not match that claim. Not even close. Carefully examine the photos. One building is still heavily intact…maybe 30-40 %. Only the smaller one is obliterated. But notice, not only are these rather small college campus size buildings, each one is hollow. They all have an open courtyard inside. So they are in fact smaller than they first appear. It would take no more than 3 or 4 missiles to destroy each one, if that. We are looking at a strike from about 10 missiles, not 76. That is an absurd claim, and they were forced into it because that was the only site they could show extensive damage on. The other two shown were much too small to obscure the truth. This claim of an electronic attack and the Syrians firing at phantom targets is also absurd. While Russia certainly networked the Syrian long range radars to tighten up their airspace, most of Syria’s guns and missile systems are elderly.They are not even digital nor can they be slaved to a network. For a buk system, for example, to fire on a target…the operator must acquire that target on his tracking and guidance radar on the launcher. If the target cant be detected (it’s not really there) by the guidance radar, no launch is possible. It doesn’t matter if the networked surveillance radar tells them something is out there, the guidance radar must lock onto something to fire.Even more so for some of their other systems. The only thing they would possibly launch towards a phantom target would be an s 200, on the chance that its semi active homing head would be operational by the time it was near the presumed target…sort of like getting a jump on the target. Posted by: Indrid Cold | Apr 18 2018 15:06 utc | 136 Israel is very concerned about Iranian forces in Syria, and the US should also take note.
The US military units in Syria are not in a contiguous force. Vulnerable US “bases” in Syria are small spread-out outposts, totaling (they say) 2,000 troops plus probably several thousand contractors . . .(latest report on Iraq and Syria (combined) here.) Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 15:09 utc | 137 Indeed Cold Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 18 2018 15:10 utc | 138 @WJ 131 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 15:18 utc | 139 @7 Cassandra, Posted by: Moshe Mossad Schlomostein | Apr 18 2018 15:26 utc | 140 @100 Anon, Posted by: Moshe Mossad Schlomostein | Apr 18 2018 15:38 utc | 141 Don Bacon Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 18 2018 15:42 utc | 142 Hoarsewhisperer, Russia’s involvement in Syria has never been other than to protect Russia from terrorist infiltration. A destabilized Syria as US policy still seems determined to promote simply brings about more of the same. Posted by: juliania | Apr 18 2018 15:46 utc | 143 @Financial Matters 125 Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 18 2018 15:56 utc | 144 WJ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 18 2018 15:59 utc | 145 @131 WJ and 134 Don Bacon Posted by: Grieved | Apr 18 2018 16:00 utc | 146 @ Bakerpete 140 Posted by: financial matters | Apr 18 2018 16:12 utc | 147 Just my few thoughts here. Posted by: laserlurk | Apr 18 2018 16:19 utc | 148 re 144
It’s just a forerunner of losing the war. See what happened in Vietnam. Posted by: Laguerre | Apr 18 2018 16:28 utc | 149 Grieved 142 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 18 2018 16:37 utc | 150 @141 jr.. i see it much as you do here… the west continues to win by making syria an ongoing hell… and for the record, the usa/uk do what israel wants.. so the question “what does israel want?’ becomes central to the ongoing syria dynamic… syria is like a proxy playground for usa’s attempt to mess up russia or israels attempt to mess with iran.. lebannon as jr mentions is an obvious place to do more meddling.. Posted by: james | Apr 18 2018 16:43 utc | 151 @144 “I actually think that idea of having an Arab force (Egypt, Jordan) as in Syria in place of the US and the mercenaries is not too crazy idea of current US administration.” Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2018 16:46 utc | 152 The US already has Arabs fighting in Syria on its behalf. They’re called ISIS, Al Nusra, AQ, and etc. Posted by: fastfreddy | Apr 18 2018 16:48 utc | 153 Russians found one of the actors from the Douma chem attack fake – https://www.instagram.com/p/Bht2xhwHTKt/ Posted by: dewn | Apr 18 2018 16:50 utc | 154 Israel wants to expand its borders from the Nile to the Euphrates and to infinity and beyond! Posted by: fastfreddy | Apr 18 2018 16:51 utc | 155 @ 149 fastfreddy… yeah, but this will be the ”’moderate”’ version of same, lol… and if anyone believes that, they will believe all the other lies and deceptions regularly manufactured out of washington/telaviv/london… Posted by: james | Apr 18 2018 17:05 utc | 156 Grieved @142– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2018 17:24 utc | 157 Don Bacon @135 Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 17:38 utc | 158 The US Zionist Deep State doesn’t want to “conquer” any country. Then they’d have to pay the bill for the destruction they caused… think an actual Marshall Plan, not the Iraq and Afghan Debacles. It is not trying to “win”. It is trying to destroy those countries’ ability to function outside the iron-fist influence of the Rothschild/IMF/BIS/etc. banks/economy. In the Middle East, this means to the ultimate benefit of the Zionist Israel Project, the preeminent Rothschild wet dream since long before the Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot. Russia becomes a target as the defender of Syria, Iran etc., and so the Zionist Rothschild MIC/Bretton Woods/IMF/etc. bankster system is brought to bear in the form of Ukraine regime-change, currency wars and trade/economic sanctions. China has allied with Russia, and also has the Rothschilds on a short leash, so the fooferah over the South China Sea and North Korea… which also has no Rothschild-controlled central bank. Posted by: A P | Apr 18 2018 17:42 utc | 160 dewn 150 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 18 2018 17:54 utc | 161 “All of a sudden some gas spread around us,” one man said. “We couldn’t breathe, it smelled like chlorine.” Posted by: Ort | Apr 18 2018 18:03 utc | 162 @Peter AU Posted by: dewn | Apr 18 2018 18:04 utc | 163 Putin bows to Trump, ready for deep Concessions Posted by: Passer by | Apr 18 2018 18:16 utc | 164 Rossiya 24 TV channel has interviewed a Syrian boy named Hasan Diab who participated in the filming of the “chemical attack” video. Here is my translation of the article:
Posted by: S | Apr 18 2018 18:23 utc | 165 @144&148 Posted by: Lozion | Apr 18 2018 18:24 utc | 166 @160 s… that is the same people captured in @150 dewns link… Posted by: james | Apr 18 2018 18:38 utc | 168 news report
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2018 18:53 utc | 170 So here is confirmation that at least four French missiles (1 Scalp, 3 MDCN) were not downed by the Syrian air defense Posted by: fx | Apr 18 2018 18:55 utc | 171 Many stating the Douma chem attack never happened: Fisk, Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, Peter Ford, that TV fellow Tuckbox, no Tucker – Fox, no doubt many others I forget now, ppl on the ground, doctors, Vanessa Beely, etc. Others saying there is no evidence, such as Mad Dog Mattis, that takes the cake, it does. Posted by: Noirette | Apr 18 2018 19:06 utc | 172 @Bakerpete | Apr 18, 2018 2:25:41 PM | 167 Posted by: Passer by | Apr 18 2018 19:13 utc | 173 BTW, for those who haven’t seen it yet, here’s the full unedited Lavrov’s interview with BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhORWVFBUw . Posted by: S | Apr 18 2018 19:15 utc | 174 @ the shill link from zerohedge. It’s a stupid Bloomberg article insisting that the Empire is winning. My favorite part was “the Kremlin was livid” about Russians claiming they’d shoot down missiles if attacked. Posted by: Jesrad | Apr 18 2018 20:08 utc | 175 Re Yemen, >>>> Passer by | Apr 18, 2018 2:16:32 PM | 164
Unlikely – US simply cannot be trusted to conform to any agreement – Trump might be prepared to do a deal and stick with it but others in White House and Congress would see it as a sign of weakness, bank what was offered then make further substantial demands on Putin and Putin understands that. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 18 2018 20:11 utc | 177 @Passer by | Apr 18, 2018 3:13:15 PM | 173 Posted by: Bakerpete | Apr 18 2018 20:22 utc | 178 “Noirette @ 172 said:”…: The USA gradually retiring its hegemonic policies, re-trenching at home, and accepting a “”multi-polar”” (double quotes as double-speak) world. Posted by: ben | Apr 18 2018 20:25 utc | 179 The claim that Russia has never been in Syria for anything other than killing terrorists there to keep them out of Russia seems to be paraded out more and more unquestioningly. It’s patent bs. Yes that is part of Russia’s reason, but anyone not glued to corporate media knows that this war has never been centrally about Syria. It has always been, in a way, more about Iran and Russia. Posted by: paul | Apr 18 2018 20:39 utc | 180 The priority for ‘the West’ will be to protect Israel from what they wantonly inflict on their neighbours. The threat of Hezbollah and not knowing how prepared it is to resist and then counterattack, is the critical point. I suspect the firepower at the Americans control could overwhelm both Syrian and Russian defences, I hope I’m wrong. This bloodshed is all for Israel and at some point they will pay the price. Posted by: duplicitousdemocracy | Apr 18 2018 20:50 utc | 181
Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Apr 18 2018 21:08 utc | 182 “then russia would have to defend it” = then russia would not have to defend it Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Apr 18 2018 21:09 utc | 183 Noirette @172 Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 21:10 utc | 184 Saudis sending in the marines Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 18 2018 21:15 utc | 185 “The bulk of the remaining ISIS fighters are located in two areas: along the Syria-Iraq border around the town of Haijin, in the Euphrates River Valley north of Abu Kamal, and just west of Deir ez-Zoir. Posted by: Les | Apr 18 2018 21:15 utc | 186 @185 “ISIS mostly remains inside US-controlled territory as confirmed by the US military.” Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2018 21:23 utc | 187 Is anyone having trouble with reaching Elijah Magnier site today? Posted by: From the resistance trench with love | Apr 18 2018 21:23 utc | 188 @ 183 WJ Posted by: spudski | Apr 18 2018 21:39 utc | 189 @157 Posted by: Thirdeye | Apr 18 2018 21:47 utc | 190 U.S. carrier group Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 18 2018 21:48 utc | 191 WJ @183– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2018 22:06 utc | 192 Re BZ and novichok: If Lavrov referred to a control sample, it appears that the same control sample that contained BZ also contained A-234 (novichok). How on earth did they create it? Or did they mix the original sample with BZ? Posted by: Cherrycoke | Apr 18 2018 22:06 utc | 193 @140 MMS “[MSM] ‘news’ is a proxy for thinking” – nicely said – those in the west have abdicated their responsibility to themselves, their families & communities, and outsourced their thinking to various, previously trustworthy (OK maybe only a little) professions, ie. politicians, journalists, teachers, doctors, etc. – only to find, years later, that doing so was to thier own detriment & others as well Posted by: xLemming | Apr 18 2018 22:15 utc | 194 OPCW: Posted by: Cherrycoke | Apr 18 2018 22:20 utc | 195 @183 wj.. it won’t matter what ”proof” russia provides.. it will be ignored and especially by the msm… Posted by: james | Apr 18 2018 22:22 utc | 196 Indeed Cold @ 136: Posted by: Jen | Apr 18 2018 22:25 utc | 197 Cherrycoke @192, Posted by: WJ | Apr 18 2018 22:30 utc | 198 >>>> WJ | Apr 18, 2018 5:10:42 PM | 183
Don’t hold you breath waiting because the “consequence” will most likely be a diplomatic/political solution in Syria in which FUKUS will play little or no part and Israel will have a walk-on part with no lines. It will take time but time is something Russia understands and the morons in Tel Aviv and Washington and their poodles in Paris and London no longer do.
As the latest travails of the Conservative government, such as Grenfell, Windrush, etc., demonstrate, it cannot be trusted by the people who elected it. Why should it be trusted by anyone else.
It wasn’t the Syrians or Russians but the White Helmets who staged the incident, more correctly took an event that really occurred – people suffocated by dust and smoke – and made it into a chemical incident. Who created and funds the White Helmets? The British, so they are guilty of conspiring with terrorists to overthrow a legitimate government. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 18 2018 22:30 utc | 199 Thanks S@165. Southfront carries the story, too: https://southfront.org/journalists-found-boy-filmed-in-white-helmets-douma-chemial-attack-video-he-did-it-for-food/ Posted by: Maracatu | Apr 18 2018 22:31 utc | 200 |
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