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April 10, 2018

Open Thread 2018-16

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adamski #96

Wake me up when the Russians retaliate by sinking everything in the Black Sea!

Posted by: ab initio | Apr 11 2018 4:18 utc | 101

BBC reporting in an uncharacteristicly measured tone now. OPCW team on its way which "complicates" matters. Admitting the gang of three has no real plan. If Russia stands firm all they can do is fire a few stand-off missiles without risking assets and undesirable escalation. The bluff has been called. Now what?

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 11 2018 4:21 utc | 102

If as some expect and the ziocons and their media hysterically want, the US, UK and France and Australia, destroy Syrian government targets on the basis of this false flag chemical attack by the jihadists, what response will we likely see from Russia?

Nothing, nada, IMO, other than even more heated rhetoric.

Posted by: ab initio | Apr 11 2018 4:24 utc | 103

My sincerest hope, is that some how, some way, people around the globe have grown enough to see through this recent "rush to war" scenario, fostered by the forces of the "uni-polar world order" morons.

Posted by: ben | Apr 11 2018 4:38 utc | 104

Russia's immediate response would more likely be to disable the Cook rather than sink it. The U.S./West/Israel would apparently love a sinking ... a disabled ship isn't photogenic enough to start a full-on war.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 11 2018 4:39 utc | 105

>>>>> adamski | Apr 11, 2018 12:08:17 AM | 96

With their rhetoric and hubris the americans have painted themselves into a corner with this.

The Washington Borg and its useless idiots like McCain and Graham might have painted itself into a corner but I don't think Trump has.

It wouldn't help Trump to have a "Wag the dog" moment as it would not change the behaviour of the Clintonists and other moronic anti-Trump factions as was demonstrated by their immediate hatred before Trump had actually done anything because Trump had defeated Saint Hillary.

Trump could wait for the report from the OPCW, tell the American people the Washington Borg are LIARS who want to involve the United States in a totally unnecessary war, and start to "clean the swamp". He'd probably have to sack Nikki Haley as well.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 11 2018 5:16 utc | 106

ab initio 100
The Russian General in Syria gave you your answer a week or two back.
You have the same mindset as the neocons/zionists/anglo's that think Russia will back down.
Putin does not delegate authority to those that make false promises.
US, UK, France are playing a game of chicken with a brick wall.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 5:19 utc | 107

pessimist @95

I'm not sure the US had it all its own way, in terms of air superiority, in Vietnam. Ask John (songbird) McCain.

I believe the Grenada invasion was somewhat successful, until Margaret Thatcher tore into Reagan. I don't believe Grenada had much of an airforce.

Other than that, not much on the plus side of the ledger.

Posted by: cdvision | Apr 11 2018 5:28 utc | 108

Perhaps a Russkie Father of All Bombs blast 3 miles off the beam of the USS Donald Duck--calculated for maximum effect but no physical injury, other than a mother of a wave.

Kinzhal strike at the very end of the runway that Israel used for its latest strike. Again, massive mach 20 striking effect but ideally no loss of life--just a massive crater.

Satan 2 laying down 150 separate missiles across the path of the carrier group in mid-Atlantic. Again, targeting to miss by a few miles but essentially turning the path ahead into pure chaos.

This is the creative Black Sea freakout strategy employed against the Donald Cook last year, but writ a little larger.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2018 5:30 utc | 109

ere are a few warning shots that do not actually strike US or AZ assets but offering sobering opportunities for reflection:

A Russkie Father of All Bombs blast 3 miles off the beam of the USS Donald Duck–calculated for maximum effect but no physical injury, other than a mother of a wave.

Kinzhal strike at the very end of the runway that Israel used for its latest strike. Again, massive mach 20 striking effect but ideally no loss of life–just a massive crater.

Satan 2 laying down 150 separate missiles across the path of the carrier group in mid-Atlantic. Again, targeting to miss by a few miles but essentially turning the path ahead into pure chaos.

This is the creative Black Sea freakout strategy employed against the Donald Cook last year, but writ a little larger.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2018 5:35 utc | 110

cdvision@105 yes, that's what I meant. NV had an airforce and AA cover. That's why the US went to high altitude carpet bombing thth B52s. They are shy when the airspace is competently defended.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 11 2018 5:43 utc | 111

Peter AU #104

We'll find out soon enough, who is playing chicken and who is chicken?

Did the Russians or the Iranians do anything after the Israelis killed a few Syrian and Iranian soldiers a few days ago when they fired missiles at a Syrian military base?

Posted by: ab initio | Apr 11 2018 5:57 utc | 112

Must look Elijag M makes a point that Hezbollah will fight ie rain Missiles down on Israel

Elijah J. Magnier
‏ @ejmalrai
11h11 hours ago

I can say one thing:
If #USA and its allies bomb #Syria, #Russia won't be alone. Serious preparation by #Damascus's allies in Syria, #Iran and #Lebanon, ready to be part of this very possible insane battle that can go global when the war in Syria is about to end.

Posted by: col from OZ | Apr 11 2018 6:04 utc | 113

A Call for Help:

Iraqi Christian HRC

Please help save #SyrianChristians from Islamists attempts at using US military to destroy Christianity in Syria. Contact @POTUS @VP to say no to war in Syria & no to destroying Syrian Christians (who are the legacy of St. Paul the Apostle).

White House/VP: +1-202-456-1111

Posted by: arbetet | Apr 11 2018 6:11 utc | 114

106 107 you living in kiddies fantasy land?
Have a look at the cemetery for the siege of Leningrad, and have a look at Putin laying some flowers where his elder sibling is buried.
Syria is the chosen battlefield.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 11 2018 6:13 utc | 115

This is the Reuters headline:
"Russian envoy to Lebanon: Any U.S. missiles fired at Syria will be shot down"
and this is the Russia Today headline:
"Any US missiles fired at Syria will be shot down, launch sites targeted – Russian envoy to Lebanon"
Spot the difference.

Posted by: passerby | Apr 11 2018 8:42 utc | 116

If this has been posted before, apologies:
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Patrick Henningsen
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2 hours ago

Dear Readers and Supporters, 21st Century Wire has been knocked offline since about 2pm EST on Tues April 10th. Other alt sites like , and others downed same time. Working on it now. I doubt the timing is a just a coincidence.

Apparently Syria News is back up. From where I'm sitting (UK) 21st Century wire is not - and of course that has most of Vanessa Beeley's live reporting from the conflict, not to mention Eva Bartlett's reports.

Posted by: Carrie | Apr 11 2018 9:28 utc | 117

someone is bombing the al-Wafedin corridor in East Ghouta

New plume of smoke in the middle, last 5 minutes

Posted by: David | Apr 11 2018 9:34 utc | 118

@passeryby 117: it's trying to minimize the gravity of the russian response

Posted by: David | Apr 11 2018 9:35 utc | 119

Horsewhisperer 96
Reading the Australian newspapers you would not think there was a crisis in Western Asia.
Today's Murdoch mouthpiece had a desultory set of articles about it on page nine or eleven. Small articles over a broadsheet page - nothing to get excited about folks ! Quite remarkable - when one considers how these possible events of war could impact on distant southern Imperial outpost , Australia.

Posted by: ashley albanese | Apr 11 2018 10:16 utc | 120

Mina 34, yes .. Macron with his “France is back” is doing exactly the same as Hollande (previous Sark the First ditto), aligning with the US-isr. Now KSA is officially and openly on board, Manu swirls about in public with MBS, and (I have read, no idea if true) he, Manu, told the Prince he prefers to trade with KSA (and partners) than doing so with Iran, as Princey sorta intimated a choice must be made.

Interesting in a soul-crunching way, in the sense that the French public and even parts of the establishment have now, and in the past several years, encouraged by the MSM, entities they strongly disapprove of or even loathe and fear: Islamist terrorism, championed and paid for by KSA (or so it is widely assumed, responsible for 9/11 as well it is said, etc.), Perfidious Albion who is leaving the Club because ‘crazed isolationist right-wingers’, and of course Trump, who demeans and exploits women, is a rabid racist, a tax dodger, a liar, compromised in various scandals, claimed the sainted Obama was not a born citizen, und so weiter… None of that matters at all, Macron just steams ahead on his own bat (of course there are plenty of ppl who understand and object …) and allies with USuk-isr-KSA.

I heard Manu speak once on TV/radio int. on immigration. He spewed a lot of content, yet never mentioned Law(s), Parliament, EU / other accords (Schengen..), he spoke just for himself, “I can’t let every Tom Dick and Harry in” to craft it in Anglo terms - “It is all a confounding problem” etc. He did mention France just once, in the sentence “France has to maintain its tradition of welcome.” A mini-me Royal or Despot would not have mouthed otherwise. Nobody objected!

Optimistically, ppl are realising that Western Democracies are Top Class and care about Their People is BS and … hmmm idk.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 11 2018 15:39 utc | 121

craig murrays latest...

Yulia Skripal Is Plainly Under Duress

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2018 22:14 utc | 122

Just so we don't lose focus on the recent, fantastic storytelling of our would be colonial masters...

(tweet + vid in link)
"... Nothing new under the sun... It is uncanny how #highlylikely accurate and relevant a ~30yo over the top political satire sitcom is in today’s reality… #SkripalCase #ExpulsionOfRussianDiplomats #YesPrimeMinister ..."

Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 12 2018 10:43 utc | 123

German media now has a uniformly wrong headline that OPCW confirmed the nerve agent's origin as being from Russia.

Even British media does not claim that.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons said an analysis of samples taken from the Russian former spy Sergei Skripal, his daughter Yulia, and Det Sgt Nick Bailey confirmed the UK’s assessment that the three were affected by novichok, a military grade nerve agent developed by Russia.
he executive summary released by the OPCW does not mention novichok by name, but states: “The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirms the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.”

Posted by: somebody | Apr 12 2018 11:37 utc | 124

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The new little ice age will prevent ww3

I sent the following message to several public forums and a senator to see if anybody is interested. If anybody wants the 18 links to articles i used, ask in comments

NOAA, NASA, and the IPCC have failed humanity, and we're all in for a nasty surprise ... Abrupt Climate Change. This is a summary and warning i put together

The MsM and warmist alarmists are wrong. It is the heighth of hubris and arrogance to think humans, in the space of 150 years, can change thermal cycles that are thousands of years long and have existed for millenia. The thermal mass of the land and oceans is enormous. The temperature of deep, still, parts of the ocean have barely risen one degree in 22,000 years, the last glacial max.

My reading of the climate tea leaves says we're already past the interglacial plateau of relatively stable climate

For the last three thousand years, Since 1000 BC, the end of the Minoan Warm Period, the global temperature trend has been -0.5 to -0.7 dgC per 1000 yrs, projecting full glacial of 8 dgC in another 7,000 yrs. Another clue, the obliquity dropped below 23.5 degrees around 1300 AD, the onset of the Wolf Minimum. Now the glacial cold lurking in the deep ocean, held in check by obliquity for 10,000 years, has been set free, ending the Holocene Interglacial. We are in the transition zone to glacial cold, expect Finoscandian ice sheets to start in 2000 yrs

However, the solar output has been declining since 1986 and this accelerated in 2009 with solar cycle 24, the lowest in over 100 yrs. Cycle 25 will also be low and the beginning of a Grand Solar Minimum, now named the Eddy Minimum. Expect a Little Ice Age lasting 40 yrs, with some winters extremely cold, some wet cool springs to kill crops, some cold summers, and more frequent and severe storms. The storminess index went from 6.5 to 14 during the LIA. This slide into cold is showing up in German weather station records where the last 30 yrs of winter (DJF) are trending -19 dgC per 1000 yrs, much faster than the slow decline to normal glacials. Zugspitze Mtn. Resort, elev 2000m, january temperature has been trending down 1 dgC per 10 yrs.
I expect in the next ten years one billion will actually starve due to crop failures, and one billion will be eaten by stronger omnivores; feral dogs, cats, and ... humans.
As the legal beagles like to say, 'Time is of the essence,' so the sooner you act, the better your chances of survival.

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Sandy, Minister of Future

Posted by: Pearce m. Schaudies | Apr 12 2018 12:18 utc | 125

That's so unrelated to Skripal or even Syria that I prefer to post it here.
General Haftar had a stroke a few days ago, was shipped to a Paris hospital, and many Russian, N. African and Italian media report that he just died. If true - or if he's definitively incapacitated, which isn't unlikely considering he's something like 75-y old - this will have major consequences for the future of Libya.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 13 2018 20:05 utc | 126

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