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April 05, 2018

Novi-Fog™ In Fleet Street - Truth Cut Off

Having been caught lying and covering up its lies about the Salisbury incident, Theresa May's government peddles new unbelievable stories to the press. This may divert the immediate attention but time is not on her side. The story will further unravel. What else can she do?

The British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson decided to attack opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn:


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A pity endeavor. It were the lies of Theresa May and Boris Johnson which convinced the other countries, not any factual evidence:

BERLIN (Reuters) - Britain needs to show proof that Russia was behind last month’s poisoning of a former Russian double agent and his daughter in England, the German government’s coordinator for Russia said on Thursday.

Gernot Erler said pressure was rising on Prime Minister Theresa May’s government after Britain’s military research centre, at Porton Down, said on Tuesday it could not say yet whether the nerve agent used in the attack had been produced in Russia.

That contradicts what we had previously heard from British politicians and will certainly raise the pressure on Britain to show further proof that the traces plausibly point to Moscow,” Erler told German broadcaster ARD.

Armin Laschet, head of Germany's most populous state North Rhine-Westphalia and an ally of Merkel, also questioned (German) the British behavior (my translation):

If you force almost all NATO allies to solidarity, should you not have assured evidence? You can stand towards Russia however you like, but in my the studies of international law I learned of other ways of dealing with states.

Myth has it that a British paper once printed the headline "Fog in Channel - Continent cut off". That British view put the self-importance of the island above anything else. Throwing Novi-Fog™ at the Skripal affair will indeed cut off the continent. It will leave the British government isolated from any support.

The international loss of trust for the British claims is serious. Unless the UK government comes up with a very plausible story with some real evidence behind it no serious European official will lend it any further support.

Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn, who's skepticism convinced 165 countries to not fall for Boris Johnson's lies, says that Johnson has to answer "serious questions".

The spin-masters of the May government throw more Novi-Fog™ into Fleet Street to prevent that.

Operation 'Save Boris' feeds new sensational but implausible stories to the papers. It claims that top secret intelligence, which can not even be shown to the opposition leader, proves that Russia tested how to smear nerve agents onto doorknobs:

Police said last week they believed Russian ex-double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned at home in Salisbury via their front door.

Now agents have confirmed that Putin's scientists carried out experiments looking at its effectiveness on door handles before the March 3[sic!] attack.

A security source told the Daily Mail: "We have intelligence that goes beyond Russia made Novichok and stockpiled it.

"We have evidence that they also explored using it as an assassination weapon including on areas such as door handles and everyday objects."

"Putin's scientists" experimented and found that

  • two persons leaving a home will both touch the exterior doorknob and
  • reliably infect themselves with a
  • rain-resistant, sticky "military grade" nerve agent which
  • several hours later has
  • a similar sudden effect on a 33 year old healthy women and a 66 year old man with serious diabetes.

That indeed sounds quite plausible to me (not).

More Novi-Fog™:


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The Times was told that the spies found the source of the nerve agent. But the front-page piece is extremely vague and makes little sense:

There are two different sources in the above: 1. "Security services" which say they know the source but neither name it, nor pin its location to Russia and 2. a Whitehall spin-master who points to Russia.

Some photo editor made sense of what the "security services" said and introduced the Times piece with a picture of a likely source:


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Behind the wall of Novi-Fog™ the outrageous claims the government earlier made about the case get pushed down the memory hole.

Meanwhile Victoria Skripal, a cousin of Yulia Skripal, claims to have been called by Yulia and told that everything is fine. In response(?) the Metropolitan Police claims to have a statement from Yulia in which she also says that everything is fine. Neither claim is verifiable and both might well be false.

Theresa May's government is in serious trouble. It tries to spin its way out of its lies. But the time is working against it. The fog will rise:

  • The OPCW investigation, to which Russia was denied access, will not help May to make a case against Russia. In the best case for May it will come up with a similar result as Porton Down. It might say that some nerve agent was used on the Skripals but that it is impossible to pin it to a source. It might say that it can not identify the nerve agent at all. It may find nothing.
  • Yulia Skripal will have to be released from hospital and is likely to fly home to Russia. She will talk. She is unlikely to know anything that could help May, but might well say something that lets the whole story fall apart. She will have to watch her back.
  • Britain's allies are miffed. They have been lied to and damaged their relations with Russia for no good reason. The Brexit negotiations will become more difficult as Brussels has lost trust in any British claim or commitment.
  • Russia will continue to attack May while she has lost the protection from her allies.
  • The upcoming local elections could well go against the Tories. In 2004 the Spanish Prime Minister Aznar blamed the Basque ETA for the Madrid train bombing. When that was exposed as a lie he lost his lead in the polls, the election and his job. When the Skripal case broke and was pinned to Russia the Tories rose in the polls. But the fall after the exposure of the lies will probably be of equal size.

What will the British government do to get out of this dilemma?

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from James Petras at Unz Review--
Why the UK, the EU and the US Gang-Up on Russia
Several fundamental historical factors dating back to the 1990’s account for the current surge in Western hostility to Russia.
>First and foremost, during the 1990’s the US degraded Russia, reducing it to a vassal state, and imposing itself as a unipolar state.
>Secondly, Western elites pillaged the Russian economy, seizing and laundering hundreds of billions of dollars. Wall Street and City of London banks and overseas tax havens were the main beneficiaries
>Thirdly, the US seized and took control of the Russian electoral process, and secured the fraudulent “election” of Yeltsin.
>Fourthly, the West degraded Russia’s military and scientific institutions and advanced their armed forces to Russia’s borders.
>Fifthly, the West insured that Russia was unable to support its allies and independent governments throughout Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America. Russia was unable to aid its allies in the Ukraine, Cuba, North Korea, Libya etc.

With the collapse of the Yeltsin regime and the election of President Putin, Russia regained its sovereignty, its economy recovered, its armed forces and scientific institutes were rebuilt and strengthened. Poverty was sharply reduced and Western backed gangster capitalists were constrained, jailed or fled mostly to the UK and the US.

Russia’s historic recovery under President Putin and its gradual international influence shattered US pretense to rule over unipolar world. Russia’s recovery and control of its economic resources lessened US dominance, especially of its oil and gas fields. . ..here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 6 2018 15:05 utc | 101

Like the UK the US keep urging WW3, Trump is a joke, he could end this nonsense right away:


US hits Russia with new sanctions, interior minister among 38 officials, tycoons & companies listed
http://www.onlinebreakingnews.info/us-hits-russia-with-new-sanctions-interior-minister-among-38-officials-tycoons-companies-listed/

Posted by: Anon | Apr 6 2018 15:14 utc | 102

@102
Trump is a joke, he could end this nonsense right away
Apparently not. He has been over-ruled on Russia, Afghanistan and now Syria. The USA is still a form of democracy not a dictatorship.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 6 2018 15:26 utc | 103

@ 87 and 97 (b and all)

How can we trust any information as long as we havn't seen Yulia and her father in daylight?

Posted by: Dilara | Apr 6 2018 15:51 utc | 104

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-uk-security-service-may-have-just-made-a-major-slip-up-in-the-salisbury-poisoning-case/

Now it seems thay can not even make consistent story about pets, cate and guinea pigs.
Even on that lesser account they keep changing narrative!

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 6 2018 16:03 utc | 105

Speaking of the Brits being a half-step behind, one wonders if Yulia's phone call with the "Dad and I are both fine, hoping to be discharged soon" comment was a quick-thinking young lady trying to buy a little life insurance before the Brits could declare that, sadly, they didn't make it.

Posted by: J Swift | Apr 6 2018 16:09 utc | 106

@96 kiza.. thanks for that... "the Russian ambassador is threatening UK with revenge by fire", which started from a mistranslation of the original into "you are playing with fire". this happened with the quote from iran translated into 'wipe israel off the map' or whatever too.. typical...

the fact senior skripal is awake and conscious and no longer in critical condition makes this a real farce...

can m16 figure out how to do the same trick on theresa may and boris? if so, they would have been put to good use! now, if only they could implicate russia on that too - woo wee!

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 16:21 utc | 107

@103, an aristocracy, perhaps, where sectors of a ruling class differ on certain issues, but not a democracy, where the general populace has any say on anything of significance.

Posted by: George Lane | Apr 6 2018 16:37 utc | 108

i am posting john helmers most recent article again here.. /A> john gilberts posted it @78 but it is worth reading if you haven't..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 16:45 utc | 109

In my view, the very implausibility of the Skripal™ narrative is intentional, just another part of the few’s conditioning of we-the-many. It’s pretty much nonstop now.

Posted by: Carey | Apr 6 2018 16:58 utc | 110

Economist Michael Hudson explains:

> Now last week President Trump repeated what he said when he was running for president. He wants European countries to pay more of the military cost of NATO. He’s been saying this for over a year. And I think this is what this Skripal affair is really all about. The aim by using something as emotional as chemical weapons is to create an anti-Russia hysteria that will enable NATO governments to pick up much more of the military budget than they are now doing from the United States. It will force all their countries to pay 2 percent of their GDP to the U.S. Military-Industrial-Complex. So essentially, the Skripel affair is to frighten populations to enable NATO to try to push through more military spending on the U.S. defense industry and to pick up more of the cost of NATO, when the populations are going to say… wait a minute, the European Eurozone budgets can’t monetize a budget deficit… if we pick up more military spending for NATO than we’re going to have to cut back our social spending and we can’t have both guns and butter. So the Skripal is to try to soften the European population, to frighten it into sayin… yes we better pay for guns, we can do without the butter. So you’re having there exactly the fights that happened in the United States in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. And I think there’s also an attempt to use these accusations as a means of employing sanctions to disrupt Western trade with Russia and China by blocking insurance companies such as Lloyd’s of London from insuring shipping and other transportation. Banks saying we’re not going to give you these services anymore, Russia. And the parallel sanction would be to block U.S. banks.

> I was research director and economics professor for the Riga Graduate School of Law for some time -maybe six or seven years ago – so I dealt with the Latvian government, with a prime minister, with bank regulators regularly, and they explained to me that the whole purpose of Latvian banks was to encourage Russia capital outflows to the West. And from the United States point of view, this was a way of draining Russia. It was the idea of pushing neoliberal privatization on Russian utilities, natural resources, and real estate and saying… first of all, privatize these public assets like Norilsk Nickel and oil companies like Khodorkovsky… and the only way you can make money now that you’ve privatized them, you have them in your hands, and the only way you can cash out since there’s no money left in Russia is to sell them to the West. And so that basically they sold them to the West while accumulating huge embezzlements through false export invoicing, moving the money into British banks primarily, and that’s why you see the Russian kleptocrats buying very conspicuous properties in London and bidding up the price of London real estate.


https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/06/the-economics-behind-the-skripal-poisoning/

Posted by: mauisurfer | Apr 6 2018 16:59 utc | 111

Heeere's Nikki:
"There is political debate that does happen in this country on whether Russia is our friend or whether they are not our friend. That's really the wrong question to have because Russia's never going to be our friend. But having said that does not mean we don't want to work with them. But we work with them when we need to and we slap them when we need to. That's just the way it needs to be" . . . Ambassador Nikki Haley, April 5 . . here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 6 2018 17:08 utc | 112

I think it's more correct to say that the lies coerced the other countries rather than "convinced" them. Ort, 15.

The EU + 5-eye countries (not all ..), that ‘expelled’ (1) R diplomats did so thru solidarity and such-like language. They offered no substantive reason. They don’t need to, they can expel without justification, those are the rules of the game. In short, these countries did the only thing they could do to support the UK (plus whatever underground manipulators..) while making a big NEWS splash, without committing themselves to anything whatsoever.

An easy move, some expense and future smoothing of very ruffled feathers to be borne. Nobody except May-Bojo have accused any ‘Russian’ entity, body, person, directly, of any crimes, grave improprities, etc.

Exactly why / how the "following, coerced countries" felt they had to make that show needs to be understood, what pressure was applied, how. Idk. Perhaps there is nothing more to it than hedging ones bets. Comply and show allegiance, subservience, if the cost is trivial. (Russia being diplomatic, not rocking the boat, adhering to agreements the rule of international law, not agressing overtly, can be counted on, most judge.)

1. The US and Germany (possibly others, haven’t kept up) have stated that the expelled..can be replaced. So it is just a diplo shuffle, costly and stupid.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 6 2018 17:24 utc | 113

Although it seems obvious by now that British intelligence is up to their old tricks it seems this latest psyops carnival has been carried out in a seriously amateur fashion. Perhaps that's because it was only ever designed to be a distraction away from the real issues and to create maximum analysis and noise. (Or maybe they really are as stupid as they are morally bankrupt). Either way, if I have to see that repellent clown Boris Johnson seeking to yet again, gain a place of power for himself I might lose myself in a bottle of Irish whiskey.

Great research MoA.

Posted by: M.K. Styllinski | Apr 6 2018 17:32 utc | 114

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 5, 2018 4:26:33 PM | 9
Wonderful, thank you!

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 17:36 utc | 115

@ Don Bacon with the latest tripe from Nikki "...and slap them when we need to."

Spoken like a true puppet of empire.....the dying sort.....may she choke on her exceptionalism.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2018 17:37 utc | 116

How can we trust any information as long as we havn't seen Yulia and her father in daylight?

Posted by: Dilara | Apr 6, 2018 11:51:47 AM | 104

For that matter, we did not see them in moonlight or even infra-red either. It is always a challenge to apply John 20:29

Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.”

Presumably, Thomas doubted the words of his fellow apostles, but it is easy to imagine that he also heard contrary claims, to wit, that Jesus had not risen. I have seen a discussion related to this topic in the comments to New Zealand's claim it has no Russian spies is perplexing. Why is it isolating itself?, Paul G. Buchanan, The Guardian March 28, AD 2018. The Guardian decided to publish an article by a political opponent of their spiritual kin, New Zealand Labour party, but allowed readers to comment. Mr. Buchanan (hailing from Wellington, NZ) got a misleading title: Kiwi government did not claim that Russia has no spies there, but that it does not know any. Easy to imagine: Australian Conservative government found two, proportionally, NZ should know 0.4 spy, and as it is hard to expel that many, after proper rounding they got zero. The reasoning of Mr. Buchanan is that if you want, you can always identify a spy, and NZ government made a wrong turn on the fork to "solidarity with mother Britain and fellow colonials" and "do not pretend that you know when you do not". And why couldn't they declare "We have no basis to believe that Mr. Boris Badenov is a spy but we expel him anyway to express our solidarity with the unjustly terrified folks of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England". There!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 6 2018 17:38 utc | 117

And the plot thickens: UK denies visa to Viktoria Skripal. She then says: "UK must have something to hide."

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2018 17:42 utc | 118

M.K. Styllinski says:

Although it seems obvious by now that British intelligence is up to their old tricks it seems this latest psyops carnival has been carried out in a seriously amateur fashion

yeah, this is the rub. the whole tale is so contemptibly stupid as to suggest implausibility.

but then, violence is often the result of a lack of imagination, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: john | Apr 6 2018 18:00 utc | 119

Apologies if off-topic - National Post article is interesting re expulsion of Russian diplomats:

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/russian-diplomat-calls-expulsions-over-remarks-un-canadian

Posted by: spudski | Apr 6 2018 18:04 utc | 120

"More and more I'm thinking they've gotten so cocky about getting away with anything that they're essentially mocking us.
Posted by: Daniel | Apr 5, 2018 10:29:01 PM | 60"
I suspect that yes, they have gotten so cocky about getting away with anything but what has happened is they believe so completely in their ability to lie their way through, and to, anything that they are the ones who are duped. Remember all of the MSM spokespersons in shock and disbelief that Hillary didn't win? Remember HC disbelief? They believe that their lies are believed,because their lies have been believed in the past. Now that they can be and are exposed by alternative media sources they are floundering. Woe to us all if they are able to regain their footing.

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 18:06 utc | 121

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 6, 2018 1:38:33 PM | 117

Actually Christ is supposed to be one of the first people invented for propaganda purposes, so... this Thomas legend fits perfectly.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 6 2018 18:08 utc | 122

@120 spudski.. thanks.. the globe and mail wouldn't go into it, but as i mentioned when someone posted the g and m article a day or two ago - john helmer has been doing coverage on this for the past 1-2 years...

nikki haley.. what a retard.. she might be able to give boris a run for his money...

karlof1 - biz as usual in clampdown uk.... they are freaked at this point!

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 18:10 utc | 123

I really appreciate the work done on this case. When I show these articles to people in my surroundings who get daily spoon fed with MSM fake news lies it makes them doubt. Of course there are also many people who willingly prefer to believe lies than to see an uncomfortable truth but at least they can't hide behind "we didn't knew".

"Yulia Skripal will have to be released from hospital and is likely to fly home to Russia."

Even though it might be a diplomatic challenge, I don't believe she will go back to Russia. I think she will be pursuaded if not gently (money, nice housing, other luxuaries) then forcefully (something could happen to daddy or he could loose his benefits) to stay in a NATO country.

Posted by: xor | Apr 6 2018 18:11 utc | 124

@Noirette 113
Yes, I believe you caught the correct flavor of the expulsions. It's just what big powers do to maintain an alliance, it had nothing to do with facts or evidence, and it's correctable.

US: "We have every reason to believe UK" -- well okay, one reason -- we're allies.
State Dept Briefing, Mar 27
QUESTION: Another one on Russia. You talk about certainty about knowing that Russia was responsible. Can you say anything about the process that got you to – the U.S. to certainty?
MS NAUERT: Well, we stand strongly with our ally, with the UK. And when the UK tells us that they have proof that they know Russia was responsible, we have every reason to believe them. -- here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 6 2018 18:33 utc | 125

With the combination of Trump's trade war and the Skripal case, it will be interesting to watch China's moves over the coming months. China have not rocked the boat while they were milking the US cow but that looks to be coming to an end.
b put in a comment earlier in the thread that German news is starting to question the Skripal narrative. German companies and banks have been hit hard over the last few years with US fines and also the anti Russia sanctions. Germany next to move towards the Russia China multi-polar world?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 6 2018 18:39 utc | 126

#xor, I agree with you. This seems to point in that direction:
Yulia Skripal has not taken up Russian offer of assistance: UK government I have a hard time believing this, especially after refusing her cousine to visit.

Posted by: Fran | Apr 6 2018 18:40 utc | 127

On the home front, BBC informed the viewers what Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the disloyal opposition, did on the very same day when he attacked the Government as "going way beyond the evidence" on the poisoning case. He visited a preschool where he played with little impressionable children using ... Russian dolls! Loyal press like The Sun has jolly good time laughing at enraged Corbynista, but who will have the last laugh? It is still to early to tell.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 6 2018 18:57 utc | 128

re: "Let's sum up:
SF in East Ghouta, Fr/UK/Gulfies not happy, FF scheduled.
Same mixture used by 'rebels' there known and flown to the UK, with antidote or at a dose known to be reversible, so that OPCW will have to take note of both. East Ghouta taken, large online conversation about the mixture(s), no more possibility for FF.
Posted by: Mina | Apr 6, 2018 4:45:04 AM | 76"
Your post makes a world of sense; the Syrian CW attacks they planned would have then been beautifully mirrored in the UK attacks, allowing them to announce "Game On" and reduce Damascus to dust, sanction Russia to the gills and possibly toss Ru out of the Security Counsel assuming they somehow got China to go along with them.
My only question on is; why are the two Russian's still alive? Or did they believe that in the cloud of war the fact that they were, or were not alive, was no big thing?

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 19:18 utc | 129

Petri Krohn @47 supported by Don Bacon @39

Great theory of how the Skripals “acquired” their acute poisoning! The other theories do not make sense, with the possible exception that this was a “deep state” attack followed by a “yellow press” operation to attack Russia (for several reasons), stop Trump and save the EU (or at least the governments of May, Merkel, and Macron) from collapse.

Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 6 2018 19:18 utc | 130

"That would also explain May's accusation that "either Russia did it or lost control of its stock".
Plus Putin's spokesperson's claim that it was an "accident".
It opens the interesting question if Skripal was working for MI6 when he possibly acquired the poison. And if MI6 definitively knows that the stuff is from Russia because it was them who imported it.
Posted by: somebody | Apr 6, 2018 5:21:00 AM | 79"
Maybe so, but I am inclined to think May's comment was merely painting the Russians with a broad brush and the Russian's comment was not to infer it was an accident in the sense of "making a mistake" but rather that it was an accident as in a car wreck. He was leaving open the possibility it was not a crime as such but was an event caused by the unfortunates meeting up with bad shell fish, street drugs, etc., etc.

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 19:25 utc | 131

@124 xor, @127 fran.. it certainly looks suspicious based on what we are given about this..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 19:28 utc | 132

48:

Colonel Lang periodically gets fed up with many of the "hostile" comments that come in. It's his site and can do what he wants regarding comments. It is a good source for activities in the Middle East and intelligence matters. He understandably supports the military and has strong feelings about our 1861-65 war, preferring to call it the WBS rather than the Civil War. See his Wikipedia entry for his decorated military service. Without any commenters, his site is left with some interesting contributors.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Apr 6 2018 19:30 utc | 133

Krollchem @130--

Yes, and further supported by former FSB chief:

""Novichok doesn't work like this," he explained. "[otherwise] they would have buried the Skripals long ago, I'm sorry for cynicism. Namely, it was something else, other than Novichok," Kovalev said, adding that the Britons are "thoroughly concealing" the truth."

Of course, this aspect's been noted already by MoA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2018 19:30 utc | 134

To deny a patient in hospital the possibility to be visited by a close relative is mistreatment of patients, the more when there is no other relatives alive who can travle to the UK, and goes grossly against the rights of any patient in the world.
Patients/ medical/nursing associations in the UK and in Russia should make the due claim to the UK Health Service or to the UNHCR.

To practical effects, denying the visit of any relative or consular representative, equates to being hijacked by the UK authorities, as if she was in one of those CIA´s secret jails.
To date, nobody has seen Yulia Skripal nor her father, and we are not sure at all that the voice of the person on the phone last day is hers.
In any case, why Yulia considers a fact that his cousina would be denied the visa, we wonder.

At this point of the case, the oblied presence of a criminal lawyer would be mandatory for Yulia´s interests to be defende and made her rights to be respected.

Posted by: Fatima Manoubia | Apr 6 2018 19:31 utc | 135

"It was silly of Russia to demand OPCW investigation knowing who is running that show." 86
I agree with much of what you said, but re the above: Maybe not silly, maybe shrewd; how better to show the world that OPCW is compromised?

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 19:33 utc | 136

Posted by: frances | Apr 6, 2018 3:18:16 PM | 129

Because British institutions aren't in control of one single faction. Noone would take a risk to do something unethical just to make Theresa May look good.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 6 2018 19:37 utc | 137

As food poisoning vs deliberate poisoning, the doctors letter stated there were three patients with poisoning, which I take to be the Skripals and the policeman.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Apr 6 2018 19:38 utc | 138

Posted by: Fran | Apr 6, 2018 2:40:16 PM | 127

She is in the unenviable position to have to decide where she wants to spend the rest of her life where her father is or her fiance.

Up to now she was able to travel to Britain and return to Russia. Depending on what she publicly says she may never again get a visa. I am sure there is a lot of pressure on her to shut up and remain in Britain for the sake of her father.

Russia now claims Sergej Skripal as a citizen. It is very possible that he is still a double agent.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 6 2018 19:42 utc | 139

"The wrath of pet owners will be on Mrs. May from which she will not ever recover. I hope the cat that ran away will return to deliver paws full of .karma
Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 6, 2018 9:52:04 AM | 98"
You are absolutely right, if you should ever read the Daily Mail you would realize that UK pet lovers are both legion and strident. May will be held responsible, she is now officially toast. If you think I exaggerate their numbers and wrath, go read the comments on any DM story about a mistreated pet.

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 19:46 utc | 140

@ Don Bacon with the latest tripe from Nikki "...and slap them when we need to."

Do not you love the self-confidence of a (female) bully? The slap means kill Russians, of course, ambassadors, pilots, plane passengers etc. What happens if the Russians slap the bully back?

It appears that Putin will have to do just that, no matter that he avoided it so hard so far, sitting by the river waiting for the dead body of his enemy to float by. The internal pressure in Russia is building to show to the slappers the cost of slapping. The 1 March warning was obviously ignored.

Posted by: Kiza | Apr 6 2018 19:51 utc | 141

inadvertently
They care more about a pet than the bombed crippeled starved sick children of yemen or the ethnic cleansing of children in palestine.
I hope to live to see the day the west populace faces the judgement of its actions

Posted by: Ikl | Apr 6 2018 20:30 utc | 142

@ Kiza with the challenge to Putin to respond to the words of the bully empire

Putin does not respond to words of a tool like Nikki Haley.

The war that is being fought is about global finance and all this stuff we see is just the froth fog proxy battles in the war. The war is being won by replacing the current global financial structure with one that is not privately owned. For the most part all the pieces are in place and it is now on to convincing the rest of the world to make the transition away from private finance.

Russia and China have aligned to play the long game and they are winning, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2018 20:30 utc | 143

@106 J Swift & #135 Fatima Manoubia

I've missed seeing any detailed account of the phone call. Do we know where the phone came from? And do I understand correctly that it was the Russians who released the recording? I may have it all wrong, I haven't followed closely.

Is it likely that Russia has someone in that hospital covertly? That they helped Yulia make that call?

I'm not deep in the forensics of all this, but I am curious about that call. Especially as b points out that the UK is no longer leading the narrative, rather it's following Russia's lead.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 6 2018 20:38 utc | 144

Somebody @ 90, 92:

Should we really be surprised that the UK Foreign Office claims that Julia Skripal has not (yet) taken up the Russian embassy's offer of consular assistance? This is more lying on the British government's part. Either she has never been told of the Russian offer or she has been warned of "the consequences" of taking up the offer, either to herself or her father.

The British are losing control of the narrative what with both Skripals suddenly experiencing Lazarus-like resurrections but the denial of the Russian offer of assistance to Julia Skripal is one part the British can still control. Even though this denial contravenes international treaties regarding the functions of diplomats and consular authorities the British signed back in the 1960s. The level of depravity the British have descended to is incredible.

I would be surprised if the Russians didn't consider Sergei Skripal still to be a Russian citizen and thus entitled to Russian consular assistance as well. He may have been part of a spy swap back in 2011 but that doesn't mean he becomes a British citizen. If he was not a British citizen at the time of his poisoning, he remains a Russian citizen.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 6 2018 20:42 utc | 145

"Russia now claims Sergej Skripal as a citizen. It is very possible that he is still a double agent.
Posted by: somebody | Apr 6, 2018 3:42:44 PM | 139"
My guess: When Russia released him from prison as part of the prisoner exchange he was given a full pardon. He would in that case be eligible for and receiving a Russian pension and still be a Russian citizen. Is he an agent? Anyone's guess, and anyone's guess as to who he is working for/against if at all.

Posted by: frances | Apr 6 2018 20:44 utc | 146

Why should anyone use an "assassination attempt method" that points to himself?
Why such a complicated operation?
A contract killer with a silencer and nobody would come up with claims like "Only Russia could..."

Posted by: KerKaraje | Apr 6 2018 20:45 utc | 147

craig murrays latest from today... An Extremely Boring Video. Do Not Watch It.
interviewer asks questions for the empire.. craig responds very intelligently... craig 1 - msm 0.. therefor the video is boring and they won't highlight it!

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 20:47 utc | 148

craigs states he thinks it is true litvinenko was murdered by russia.. would have been more interesting if he had challenged that..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2018 20:53 utc | 149

Look likes a Monty Python's best sketch ever..

Posted by: Nick | Apr 7 2018 15:28 utc | 150

James @107, the same sort of “mistranslation” was done to Syria’s Grand Mufti Hassoun in 2011. The MSM claimed he threatened to unleash suicide bombers to Europe if they supported the “rebels,” when actually he warned that the sorts of Islamic extremist mercenaries we were funding and arming against Syria would turn around in classic “blowback” and commit acts of terrorism in Europe and the US.

Of course, he was correct.

In 2016, he said in Ireland:

“they say that I said I will send terrorists to Europe to kill themselves. I don't know why they lie in their translations," the top Sunni cleric said, speaking in Arabic through an interpreter.
"I said, don't bombard Syria or Lebanon. If fire gets burning in Syria or Lebanon there are dormant cells in the world that will be awakened. I feared for Europe," he said in comments before an Irish parliamentary committee.”

And I’ve seen this quote in 3 different newspapers, which each went on to repeat the mistranslation, stating bluntly that this man of peace and unity of faiths (and he even specifies, atheists) was lying. And, though I’ve seen a translated version of his speech just a few days ago from a Twitter feed, I cannot find it in web searches.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 8 2018 0:24 utc | 151

frances @121:
"Remember all of the MSM spokespersons in shock and disbelief that Hillary didn't win? "

Yes. And though I have no doubt that many of the script-readers (oops, I mean "anchors and journalists") believed that BS and really were shocked, I seriously doubt that TPTSB (the script writers) were.

Of course, the AZ Empire would have been quite happy with Hillary - who has proven herself to be a faithful servant of Empire her whole life - but I think they preferred Trump, who allows them to remove much of the mask, and so they can act in a more directly totalitarian way.

One example. When Jeff Zucker was CEO of NBC (owned by military contractor, GE), he gave The Donald his own TV show to bolster his Brand nationwide to any who'd missed the previous 3 decades of media creation of that character.

Then, when that same Jeff Zucker was CEO of CNN, he gave candidate Trump hour after hour of live, and uninterrupted coverage worth $ billions. MSNBC was the other network that broadcast Trump events live and uninterrupted.

Note: uninterrupted meant that NO ADVERTISING TIME WAS SOLD, so the claim it was done for "ratings" is BS.

Besides, if it was for ratings, Bernie Sanders was drawing even larger crowds than Trump, so they would have done the same for him, instead of literally broadcasting Trump's empty podium while Sanders was speaking after winning every Primary on a Super Tuesday.

I admit that I totally bought the MSM narrative that Trump was an "outsider" whom the Establishment hated and wanted to keep from winning. But sometime after the Conventions, I started piecing it together and have come to the conclusion that at the very least, TPTSB were happy either way.

More likely, the entire election was a psyop.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 8 2018 0:47 utc | 152

The second cat's name is Masyanya (from Масяня, a Russian comedy cartoon character). If the cat is caught, its blood samples can tell a lot.

Posted by: S | Apr 8 2018 3:23 utc | 153

Patrick Henningsen and UK Column have solved the Skirpal Sailsbury case!

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 8 2018 3:47 utc | 154

@48 Lufasu Mafalu

He's a cranky old man who takes even simple statements of agreement as inciting insults

Posted by: Cresty | Apr 8 2018 19:26 utc | 155

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 7, 2018 8:47:29 PM | 152

I think Trump was Hillary's preferred candidate, one she felt sure she would win against. I remember these polls where Sanders won decisively against Trump and Hillary did, too, just not that much.

She did win the popular vote, Trump's team was better at math.

I don't think TPTB wanted Trump, exept some billionaires on a tax ememption trip. They consider him unpredictable, which is bad for money. Amazon has lost some value since Trump began to attack it.

The problem now is that what the administration does is one thing and what Trump says another.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 8 2018 19:54 utc | 156

somebody. The "hacked" emails show that Clinton and the DNC told the MSM to promote Trump as their "pied piper" candidate. The earliest "hack" was Guccifer 2.0's DNC "opposition research" plan to run against Trump, and that was dated from before Trump was even a candidate.

So, what you believe is precisely what the election psyop I'm suggesting wants you to believe.

TPTSB ARE the billionaires. Most especially the financial industry billionaires. Of course, these psychopathic monsters are not a monolith. There are competing factions within. And their underlings take this competition very seriously - just as the Turkish-backed terrorists in Syria sometimes compete to the death with the Saudi-backed terrorists.

Just like the players on the Patriots want to beat the players on the Patriots.

But the powers behind all those terrorists have the same agenda. The owners of the football franchises all share the proceeds, and the billionaires who own both party flavors all support the same system. Same things.

As I wrote, they would all have been content with another Clinton Administration. But the faction that was behind Trump was NOT resisted in any of the ways that would have insured he did not become President.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 9 2018 0:44 utc | 157

BTW: somebody. YES. You are absolutely correct that we should observe what the Administration does rather than what the President says. And what they're doing in foreign policy is pretty much what Hillary was expected to do.

Domestically, they're carrying out the neoliberal economic policies favored by the billionaires at an even faster rate than Hillary was expected to do.

Posted by: Daniel | Apr 9 2018 1:18 utc | 158

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