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February 25, 2018

Weekly Review And Open Thread 2018-08

Feb 19 - Internet Marketing - Why Is This Smelly Fish Priceless?

Automated Twitter accounts, or trolls, repeated a tweet about a MoA piece on Muller's indictment of "Russian trolls". Funny but not really important. There is interesting news though related to the original Muller indictment. Mueller accused with little evidence 13 persons involved in the private Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) of meddling with the U.S. election campaign.

The Russian independent TV Rain, also known as Dozhd, found (Russian, machine translation) that one management person of the IRA was missing in the Mueller indictment. That women, Agata Burdonova, has recently moved with her husband to the United States. She had run the "translator" department of the IRA that created English language social marketing campaigns. She has now applied for a U.S. Social Security number.

According to a follow up:

On June 15, 2017, Dmitry Fyodorov says he received an employment offer from Facebook. On August 8, 2017 Fyodorov marries Burdonova. Employer (presumably, Facebook) sponsors both of their visas —prob. H1B.

On December 7 2017 both moved to Bellevue, Washington. Two month later Mueller indicts the alleged IRA owner and management, but not Burdonova. This smells of a deal made by some U.S. agency to get insight into the IRA. In return, an opportunity to move to the U.S. was offered.

Feb 20 - "Russian bots" - How An Anti-Russian Lobby Creates Fake News

On the farce of the "Hamilton 68" dashboard and how the media fall for it.

Feb 22 - The Rothschild Organ And Octoputin - Projection or Envy?

Feb 23 - Syria - The Two East-Ghouta Campaigns - One Is For Liberation, The Other To Save Terrorists

As Hadi Nasrallah smartly asks: "#SaveGhouta - From what exactly? And save who? ..."

Feb 24 - The White Helmet Singalong

See also: Professor for media studies Mark Miller analyses (vid) the war propaganda against Syria.

Feb 25 - Syria - The UNSC Mandated Ceasefire Will Not Hold

Use as open thread ...

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@ Peter AU 1 | Mar 2, 2018 11:15:39 AM | 100
There are some men on the street thinking so. No majority. It is the childish narrative Erdogan sells to his people 24/7. His main tool to stay in power is to constantly keep the polarization in the society high so that he can bind the core of his dumb followers to him and to the AKP. Risky. If this dumb nationalism is kept well one cannot just switch it off in case this is necessary.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Mar 2 2018 16:23 utc | 101

basically it's a divide and conquer strategy.. many of the turkish folks seem incapable of seeing thru this strategy of erdogans...

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2018 17:10 utc | 102

my impression of turkey in 2012 with regard to the men anyway is one of machismo.. no one is going to push them around.. erdogan plays into this prevalent attitude...

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2018 17:12 utc | 103

Hausmeister, james

From what I have read of history, it is often the most ruthless against any opposition or criticism, and have the capability to create a narrative that is believed by a good segment of the population that succeed in throwing off an occupying power that is as solidly entrenched as the US is in Turkey. These types often succeed, whereas the nice guys that play by the book, give benefit of the doubt ect, more often than not, get taken down.
Since Erdogan apologized for the SU-27 shootdown, he has at times worked in line with Russian aims in Syria and at times against. Sometimes appearing to work with Russia and Iran in Syria other times against.
Like he is simply charting his own course

Over at the Russia shows off new weapons thread, a few have mentioned the timing of the announcement as killing a number of birds with one stone.
Russia protecting allies from the US is an announcement I have been waiting a few years for, unsure if it would ever come. Perhaps a little incentive here for Erdogan to become an ally of Russia?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 2 2018 17:42 utc | 104

@104 peter... i think erdogan is playing his hand the best he can.. it is not a unifying approach that he takes, but i like how you summarized these different political approaches and this it does take a more ruthless leader to overcome obstacles.. erdogan works on this level, so perhaps the divide and conquer approach is necessary at this point in time and so erdogan is the right leader for this moment in time... either way - he is the leader for this moment in time!

as for turkey becoming an ally of russia.. turkey would be best served being neutral of it all.. that is probably the hardest position to play and it seems to me erdogan is trying to play it.. saying good bye to nato would be a positive step, but in not doing this publicly he gets to continue this game of playing both sides off one another...

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2018 18:04 utc | 105

Dear Peter AU 1 | Mar 2, 2018 11:15:39 AM | 100

There are prime time TV programmes, almost daily on almost every channel. The participants are usually some analysts, historians, journos, politicians and the retired generals of TAF. The TAF guys are the ones who tell the public things TAF officially can't talk about. The rest represent either the secret service or the political parties they are affiliated with.

We have been getting bombarded with this idea of a possible US-Rus secret agreement behind the doors, day after day for a long time. The source is mainly the retired defense intel generals and the journalists.

I think it's a perfect representation of our current national mindset. The national security has never been in such grave danger since the founding of the TR. Most speakers on telly think so too. And it has nothing to do with Erdogan scaring people off to make his ends meet. The attack is tangible and the danger is visible to all.

So if you look at things from this point of view, and only then will you understand what Erdogan is trying to do, he is forcing other players to show their cards so that he'll know which stone he must step on next while he is crossing the river. Nobody knows what's going on around us and between the major players. Erdogan said a couple of days ago that we'd have to cut our own umbilical cord. The Turks seem to have choosen a simple strategy: We cannot set the game, but we can distrupt it. Look what Turks have been doing? They are being distruptive.

I strongly believe that after the coup attempt the Turks decided to break apart with NATO for good. They are just not sure about the Russians. For the past few weeks, the TV figures were talking about the TR's entry to NATO. They are now saying that it was a myth that the Russians were about to attack us and that they were coerced into NATO entry thanks to the western agents in the country. Apparently there is no official record of a Russian threat or whatsoever and the NATO guys tricked us into the partnership. The TR-NATO balance sheet is very red on Turks' part. Time to end NATO partnership but how? Can you trust the Russians? Today Sputnik says Russia promises a better deal and protection for Turkey and her little network of allies (Who are they, the Balkans? N.Cyprus, Azerbijan, Turkic republics, Qatar? Erdogan is travelling around Africa?). So what I picked up with a pair of tweezers for you amongst so much info is, IMHO, a very important one. Again, in my humble opinion.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Mar 2 2018 18:18 utc | 106

The distrust of Russia that from your comment appears to be coming from the leadership, does it originate from the past? Turkey like Iran has fought wars with Russia in the past, I think first the Russian Empire then Iran I think also had a war with the Soviet Union. Iran perhaps not at the top level of government as they seem willing to work with Russia, but certainly lower level officials there still have a distrust of Russia.
would Turkish distrust originate from the same source as Iran's distrust?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Mar 2 2018 22:13 utc | 107

Jack rabbit the protests were initiated by hardliners in Iran. Also the Rohani administration, on several occasions, confirmed the legitimacy of the protests. Reformists in Iran also backed the protests. I also uploaded a video showing Iranians inside Iran voicing their discontent at the economic situation there. I think you're a bit too deluded and paranoid, even to the point of supporting dictatorships, when really you should be critical of both the West and their targets. Class society and class rule exists in Iran and people there are not content with clerics, bazaaris and the Guards controlling the country's wealth and telling them what to do just as people everywhere else are fed up with their national political and economic systems. After all they are all capitalist societies.

Posted by: Ninel | Mar 2 2018 22:33 utc | 108

Essential reading for anyone interested in Iran.

Posted by: Ninel | Mar 2 2018 22:39 utc | 109

ninel urges us to overthrow an Islamic dictatorship in Iran and CP urges us to support an Islamist dictator in Turkey. LOL!

ninel is a socialist, who calls for all good socialists to unite behind a popular socialist revolution. CP supports the wannabe Sultan, who has a completely different agenda.

And yet . . . Erdogan is anti-Assad and that implies anti-Iran also - so our articulate newcomers have common ground. How nice.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 3 2018 2:40 utc | 110

How many posts are needed for a troll to level up?

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 3 2018 3:05 utc | 111

Dear Jackrabbit | Mar 2, 2018 9:40:05 PM | 110

"CP urges us to support an Islamist dictator in Turkey"
"CP supports the wannabe Sultan"

I'm not sure why I bother commenting on your remarks because for one thing you fail to correctly deduct as to what kind of a person I am from my posts and I doubt I'll get anywhere even if I give you explanatory answers just like I am trying to do now. I'll try to get my point across through the use of infographics, explainer videos and user manuals next time.

I want neither a slave under my foot, nor will accept a master above my head. I'm egalitarian. I have autocontrol. I'll retract from doing things if there is too much obedience towards authority or if there is any exploitation of others in my social life. I'm not religious. Instead of making women cover their heads, teach the men to behave themselves is the sort of thinking I hold in life. So there is no possibility that I can support an (1) 'islamist' (2) 'dictator' or sultan for that matter.

If this so called 'islamist dictator' picks up rubbish from the pavement and if I pat him on the back, that means I'm supporting him? You are mad.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Mar 3 2018 10:03 utc | 112

i think the major shortcoming of this site, which many alternative news outlets share, is that there is no class analysis, all that is offered is a simplistic nation state analysis with a focus on foreign policy involving supposedly bad guys (aggressors) and good guys (victims). The ruling classes of the world share more in common with each other than they do with their respective populations. Iran has on several occasions offered to be the US's hegemony and policeman in the region (see WSWS article above for example) only to be turned down. These are not anti imperialist or revolutionary states. They do not have their population's interests at heart, even if they do counter Western attempts to invade, bomb and sanction their countries for the purpose of opening up their economies to Western capital. The essential interests of the working class in Iran, in Russia, China and everywhere else cannot be addressed within the confines of this system. But the challenge facing working people in countries like Iran is quite different given the predicament they face: western imperialism and domestic dictatorship. Yes it's good to analyze and expose western imperialist designs and support even dictatorships that try to resist, but you make a mistake when you think the Iranian ruling class has its population's interests at heart. The regime there has a very long and brutal history, of resisting constitutional reform (read about clergy role in 1905), of supporting coup detat (yes the clerics supported the 1953 coup), supporting dictatorships (yes they supported the shah), of hijacking revolution and imprisojing and killing thousands of leftists (which Ayatollah montazeri who was supposed to succeed Khomeini spoke out against only to be silenced and placed on house arrest) and sending tens of thousands to their deaths in the iran Iraq war from 1982 to 1988 after Iran had defeated Saddam within Iranian territory. It seems people like jack rabbit don't know a whole lot about Iran . Ad the accusations are just childish and idiotic. You sound like a paranoid Stalinoid, willing to send people to death just to silence them, without offering any evidence other than suspicion. You don't reply to the substance of any comments, you just talk a lot of bull shit. Stupid individual who gives a bad name to the left

Posted by: Ninel | Mar 3 2018 15:06 utc | 113

@ Ninel with his contribution to the discussion.....thanks

I think that your complaint about the lack of class analysis at MoA is a bit misdirected but well intentioned.

Why you are misdirected is because you combine b with his barflies. B provides excellent analysis of the ME and other geopolitical/social issues. AND he provides a forum for international discussion in english. Are you complaining about the subject matter of b's postings or the textual white noise of us commentariat?

I will assume you are complaining about the depth of understanding by your fellow humans of the anthropological context of our current condition. I share some of that same angst. I encourage you to continue to provide us with historical contextualization of your country and its relationship with the rest of us in the world. Most of what I have seen at MoA is ignorance, not stupidity. We are 8 billion blind humans in a big room with an elephant trying to describe how it operates.

I shudder at the term class because of the Marx stigma and his lack, IMO, of discussion about the underpinnings of Capital. Since we can't seem to come together with an anthropological contextualized discussion of social tenets, the next best thing is to challenge core structural components causing most of the problems.

And as I repeat here continually, the existence of private finance is the underpinning to that thing you call class and could be dealt with by making all the tools of finance pubic utilities.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 3 2018 17:25 utc | 114

So here is a link from Raw Story with a posting that is coming out weekly and catches the Trojan Horse work being done behind the circus scene we see

What Fresh Hell?: Trumpism is just a massive grift edition

One interesting quote
The Heritage Foundation announced this week that “the Trump administration has already implemented nearly two-thirds of the 334 agenda items” the right-wing think tank called for, “a pace faster than former President Reagan,” according to The Washington Examiner.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 3 2018 21:01 utc | 115

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