Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 12, 2018

On Sending Troops And Bombs At Times Square

“You guys want me to send troops everywhere,” Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. “What’s the justification?”

“Sir, we’re doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square,” Mattis replied.
Trump’s favorite general: Can Mattis check an impulsive president and still retain his trust? - WaPo - Feb 7 2018

Faisal Shahzad, the naturalized American citizen who recently pled guilty after attempting to set off a car bomb in Times Square, was a troubled fellow ...

During his court hearing Shahzad said: “until the hour the U.S. pulls its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and stops the drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen and in Pakistan, and stops the occupation of Muslim lands, and stops killing the Muslims, and stops reporting the Muslims to its government, we will be attacking U.S.
Terrorism: Why They Want to Kill Us - Cato, Jul 1 2010

Posted by b on February 12, 2018 at 16:46 UTC | Permalink


I think this is all true, but there is a nuance that goes to the root of the issue, and that is the occupation by force of oil-rich real estate and support of despotic assholes such as the Saudi princes by the West. Over the years, I think it's plausible that a permanent cassus belli has been provided to violent actors in occupied territories. The African and SE Asian parties should not be overlooked.

Posted by: Stumper | Feb 12 2018 17:17 utc | 1

Mattis is probably mentally ill. He'll gleefully kill millions more.

The terrorists are mentally ill. They would kill millions if they could.


Thus, the reason for the rise of Russia and the influence and respect for Putin. Russians will kill terrorists but embrace Islamic people who want peaceful cooperation.

Peace is a long way off. The Hegemon abhors Peace and has the means and ideology to create chaos, death and destruction anywhere on the globe.

The American economic system depends on MIC expenditures, debt, waste, corruption, and fiscal abuse.

Nothing much will change until multi-polar economic forces come into dominance and coerce the American changes. Those are a long way off, also, though a few of those forces are coming into view.

Posted by: Red Ryder | Feb 12 2018 17:21 utc | 2

Anyone can create an account on Wikipedia and start editing articles. But if you start editing anything remotely "controversial" you will be faced with dogged opponents. He or she who can bellow the hardest and longest will tend to win, unless you have a huge collection of citations on hand and are willing to persevere. Go ahead, but be forewarned.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 12 2018 18:00 utc | 3

Mattis is coming to Turkey soon.

Pentagon statement today: 550 million dolar, 2018 budget, for PKK.
(Meaning: You can defeat terrorism, but you can't you beat our purse!)

There is a massive propaganda campaing targeting Turkey in the past 2-3 days. It's coming from international sources. BBC, AFP etc.

This is the main theme

"Turks, beware of Russia, Syria and Iran! They are your enemy. Israel is your friend! The USA is a superpower, obey!"

I believe nobody, no muslim targets America or ordinary American people for that mater! So any incident should be received as provocation.
Those who pull the strings in the USA, behind the doors, maybe under risk though.


Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 12 2018 18:33 utc | 4

From the first paragraph of b's 2nd link:

"But the Times Square bomber reminds us that terrorism is mostly a response to U.S. government policies."

That's a no-brainer, but unfortunately, the masses almost never, hear anyone explain that fact. And, even worse, they probably wouldn't care..

Posted by: ben | Feb 12 2018 18:42 utc | 5

There was an Al Qaeda fatwa in 1998 and ObL's letter to America in 2002. We didn't listen then and won't now.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Feb 12 2018 18:42 utc | 6

Mattis/Pentagon just doing business development for the MIC

Posted by: jsn | Feb 12 2018 18:55 utc | 7

Basically, "muslims will be attacking the USA" is a silly argument.

However, Palestinians are refugees in Lebanon and Jordan.
Syrian refugees (up to 4 million) are in Turkey.

This region can no longer make space for Israeli settlers! This is what people are saying here.
The resentment could lead to some collateral damage to the Americans.

In this region there are millions of Mel Gibsons now. They say: "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

I personally can't comment on that because I'm not sure about it. All I know is that it's not the people from Peru who are behind all the wars in the world. It's not the muslims either. 'Muslims' from the Gulf region do pay for some of the weapons, that's for sure. And the muslims pose no threat to 'American People' despite Abu Ghraibs, MOABs, cluster bombs, B-52 campaigns in Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, $100.000 a pop ATGM missilies which rain like confettis on the Turkish army fired by the poor PKK fighters.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 12 2018 19:00 utc | 8

Bart Hansen | Feb 12, 2018 1:42:35 PM | 6
Al Qaeda does not have an authority to issue fatwas. Only muftis can do that.

Posted by: hopehely | Feb 12 2018 19:11 utc | 9

Classic billmon style juxtaposition!

Excellent work.

Posted by: Outrage Beyond | Feb 12 2018 19:17 utc | 10

@3, Colin:

I gave up a long time ago...
The dogs seem to have all time of the world and their job is exactly this: to win with the abandonment of others

Posted by: Frantic | Feb 12 2018 19:38 utc | 11

Compared with the terrorism visited on other nations by the Outlaw US Empire, the Metropole has experienced zilch--nada. The closest is 911, but that was done by ZionistWasps, not Muslims. Well, a second place finish would be conferred upon the deliberate targeting of people of color by police, ICE and other federal terror agencies--the many FBI Frame-ups come to mind. But neither of those examples are acts of terror specifically targeting the State's Institutions. Lurking nearby is the Empire's version of an IMF SAP and the terror within it that'll be inflicted on the Empire's citizenry when the dollar tanks and takes the economy down with it. Actions by the FED and Treasury Dept prove there's no interest in trying to create conditions for a softer Depression--they mean to harm as many people as possible.

So as has been noted on many occasions, the biggest Terror threat facing the people living within the Outlaw US Empire is their national government and related institutions--an ongoing situation existing since before the nation was born.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 12 2018 19:48 utc | 12

9: Well it was issued by ObL and Zawahiri.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Feb 12 2018 20:19 utc | 13

it is true turkey are a threat to the planets
my cousin works at the royal institute chatham house and he says erdogan is now at the 1939 stage and has been reading every book he can on hitler.
he says that apart from the new hitler in the kremlin and in damascus and baghdad and north korea that turkey is the biggest threat to world pieces since old hitler in 1939 - 1945 when he got on a submarine and retired to argentina.

turkey are a wounded animals reallt dangerous he says

Posted by: simon | Feb 12 2018 20:44 utc | 14

my friend down cast friend if you are a turk you need to march on your dog erdogans palaces he is dangerous so maybe take your mom to keep you safe i here erdogan like boyz in transexual transition
big hug girly
james will be along any minute with his kosher word clean up crew so keep safe darling ; )

Posted by: simon | Feb 12 2018 21:21 utc | 15

simon | Feb 12, 2018 3:44:23 PM | 14

Please ask your cousin if NK leader's mother fed him with some Swiss chocolate.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 12 2018 21:30 utc | 16


Perhaps in reverse order.

Posted by: spudski | Feb 12 2018 21:41 utc | 17

thanks b.. great juxtaposition! i doubt that is going to sink in anytime soon.. but hey - good to point it out anyway..

@3 colin.. everyone knows wikipedia is some kind of prop shop at this point... one has to be careful with the info they get off that site!

@18 spudski... lol.. yeah - either way the local hasbara shit artist never fails to arouse a bit of attention with others here, especially with the newbies...

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2018 22:02 utc | 18

here she is james aka renfield kunckle dragging his digits and his lantern working his way through the b fog peasouper moon alabami.

james and his poor fingers refreshing refreshing page 10 thousand times a day looking for anti semitism offense that will have donation implications and tel aviv funding.
limited hangouts israel is never the issue here hare here.
the greatest love story never told the b thing and james renfield how romantisch

Posted by: simon | Feb 12 2018 22:41 utc | 19

I can create my own non-sequiturs, 'why are we giving $300M to the National Endowment for the Arts'?
A. To keep Time Square safe.

Correlation equals causation.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Feb 12 2018 23:01 utc | 20

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken, 1880-1956. american writer

terrorists join that long list of imaginary hobgoblins which have included (but not limited to): all native american tribes especially those that resisted colonization and the theft of their lands, practically all immigrants outside of the white anglos from the UK and australia, catholics, the bolsheviks, latinos from south of the border, commies, long haired hippies, the jews, them chinamen, uppity negroes and anyone of color demanding equal rights, them russian them russians, unions and unionizers, left wingers and protestors against the war any war, gooks and other commie sympathizers, etc etc

the list is long and enlightening..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 12 2018 23:14 utc | 21

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel,” he said during a public discussion of what kind of work non-Jews are allowed to perform on Shabbat. rabbi ovadia yosef.

and serve germany does payments compensation for past imagined crimes until 2070 free dolphin class submarines for sampson option blackmail

Posted by: simon | Feb 12 2018 23:27 utc | 22

@14 ..."my cousin works at the royal institute chatham house and he says"....

Enough of what he says. What do *you* think, or is that a foreign concept?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 12 2018 23:39 utc | 23

Without wanting to sound like some proponent for the war on drugs I hafta say that the entire line about spending trillions of dollars on protecting amerikans from a handful of lonely nutters, maybe preventing 10 or 20 deaths each year (and killing thousands of unwhites 'over there'), at a time when hundreds of thousands of amerikans are getting killed by opiate OD's is plain crazy - it simply doesn't stack up.
Why is this gross misjudgement never, ever challenged. The group most responsible for the direct consequences, the Sackler family continue to cruise around the world opening art galleries 'giving money to israel - although judging by the methods used to 'donate' to galleries, the Sacklers byzantine methods tend to benefit the family and its tax situation rather more than the receiver - maybe they make an exception for apartheid israel who knows.

On the face of it this is crazy why waste money preventing a few deaths each year when there is an obvious cause of orders of magnitude more death and injury being pretty much ignored?
Perhaps amerika's leaders see the OD's as a solution rather than a problem. All those poor people are never gonna work again so doesn't it make more sense to have them all die than be around causing trouble?
The real issue for politicians and their bosses is the negative images of drugs bosses such as the 'el Chapo' scapegoat which have been carefully nutured, may now blowback on confirmed club members the Sacklers.
AFAIK there is no difference - except of course the mexican 'cartel' leaders consistently display more humanity than any Sackler has ever managed.
Don't worry I'm sure that an out for the Sacklers is being crafted now as I write this, the cognitive dissonance of spending trillions 'protecting' 10 while tens of thousands of deaths are paid no heed will be avoided by creating some distraction to make the foolish feel sympathy for the Sacklers and disgust towards their victims. Fucking junkies - eh!
While GWOT marches on destroying uncountable millions of humans in the ME.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 12 2018 23:55 utc | 24

@14 Yeah, Right

I think the person you are replying to is a troll. For his/her sake I hope so.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Feb 13 2018 0:01 utc | 25

Speaking of weird 9/11 stuff, what about The Donald Jr.'s wife opening a possible anthrax letter ?

Remember the murderous Anthrax terrorism that happened as Congress was passing the USA PATRIOT Act? Remember how our current VP, Pence testified to Congress about it being Saddam's fault?

And that anthrax strain actually was traced to US's Ames Biological Weapons lab?

And FBI Director at that time, Robert Mueller buried the investigation? What ever happened to that FBI Director who closed a murderous terrorist attack without having “solved” it?

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 13 2018 0:19 utc | 26

The blog author is in great form here. What a post. It doesn't have to take a tonne of keystrokes to accurately describe severe brain trauma.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Feb 13 2018 0:48 utc | 27

b, can you tell me what I put in my post about today's anthrax scare for Donald Trump Jr.'s wife and the anthrax attacks after 9/11 that is causing you do delete it?

I'd be happy to fix it if I knew what the problem is.

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 13 2018 1:59 utc | 28

Of course sending troops everywhere to provoke attacks on the U.S. is exactly the strategy of the warmongers. Trump has recently bemoaned the loss of trillions of dollars "stupidly" spent by the U.S. in the Middle East — money he said could have been used to rebuild American roads and bridges.

But that money wasn't lost, it's in the pockets and bank accounts of the war profiteers. And people like Mattis are the facilitators, evidenced by his success in turning Trump around on Afghanistan. And here the Washington Post, true to form, gives us valiant Mattis restraining warmonger Trump, i.e. more fake news.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2018 2:04 utc | 29

@25 debsisdead.. great post.. thanks for bringing me up to speed on the sackler family behind oxycontin... if there was a god, these folks would be going straight to hell.. instead they get their name on art and for their ''benevolent'' philanthropic acts.. what a friggin' joke that is.. "...he (arthur) later became one of the first inductees into the Medical Advertising Hall of Fame..."

on richard - raymonds son "His charitable foundation, the Richard and Beth Sackler Foundation, has donated to anti-Muslim organizations, as well as to organizations that have promoted the falsehood that millions of undocumented immigrants voted in the 2016 presidential election."

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2018 3:01 utc | 30

russians dead apart from the mossad,cia,mi6 downed moscowitch plane
russians dead from wagner group 20 and another 15 -20 from other groups.
putnick going to find it difficult keeping the families quiet.
he must be a mason he keeps covering up all these aircrashes russian bands even covered up the dutch thing when i say covered up.
just not disclosed the truth mames.
just like back in smiley"s day the goyim do the bleeding while these perverted child raping freaks play the game.
as the saying goes.
what happens in chatham house stays in chatham house those are the rules

Posted by: simon | Feb 13 2018 4:39 utc | 31

@colin 3, Yes, I used to try to update the wikipedia page on the TAPI pipeline and while some things remained on the site, most of it was edited away. Anything to do with Exxon, Chevron, US military actions along the pipeline route, Hillary Clinton’s cheerleading for the project during the Obama era, actions taken by the US State Department in summer 2001 (pre 9-11) aimed at pressuring the Taliban into signing off on the deal (in exchange for handing over bin Laden, etc.) all gone. Not worth the bother; you’re up against PR firms with full-time staff devoted to sanitizing everything.

@4 CP, the corporate media PR stream, it’s something I can’t even watch anymore (I follow it with Google News search just to see what the headlines are, but it’s basically predictable content so that’s enough). Here and there across the web there are some honest discussions though:

I really can’t see what Tillerson and Mattis have to offer Turkey other than threats.

Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 13 2018 4:39 utc | 32


Posted by: benny | Feb 13 2018 6:08 utc | 33

Posted by: n | Feb 13 2018 7:57 utc | 34

I think you are reading Mattis's comments wrong.

The moment the USA pulls its troops out of the middle east, a bomb will go off at Times Square.

Posted by: xaderp | Feb 13 2018 8:47 utc | 35

b, Do these draconian laws tie your hand effectively? Sure but you should, for your own sake, stand up to these emissars of thought ...

Let counterthough stand or fail on its own merits.

I thought you had the fortitude of those who stood square against their persecutors in sheer defiance of their orders -- perhaps you would attract more donations that way ... just a thought, which will ultimately ring hollow to your ears ...

I do not expect any surprises to the contrary, deep thinking individuals are to be be banned from this and other sites after all ...

Competing thought is to be outlawed by you b and James along with your lyin' cleanup crew ...

Posted by: Tacitus | Feb 13 2018 9:14 utc | 36

I have interacted with quite a few you posters here, whether you were cognizant of this or not is irrelevant ...

I have sought to provide you with the truth but you chose continually to ignore my warning signs and instead peddle your bicycle into the tunnel so as to avoid the sirens screeching just outside its perimeter.

As such you all are complicit in the reverberations in the wake of the tsunamu, but rest assured you all have done exactly nothing in order to shift the scales of power stacked against you.

Posted by: Tacitus | Feb 13 2018 9:28 utc | 37

Back to your paintings you go contemplating the contours of clouds, like psycho historian ... enjoy your enslavement!

B, please the folk cannot possibly endure another moment of reality queued up for them, yet unbeknownst in its deliverance ...

Posted by: Tacitus | Feb 13 2018 9:34 utc | 38


Thanks for the, I never would have guessed Israeli propaganda is so ubiquitous on the interwebz or that some crackpots over egg the ziopudding like other ingredients don't matter. Let go of the obsession, son, and unfurl that deluxe umbrella once in a while. It will help you keep dry and prevent hypothermia while having a soothing effect on the mind.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Feb 13 2018 10:25 utc | 39


Why repeat what's already been said in several other venues, can be assumed common knowledge, and is tangentially related to foreign affairs at best? If your goal weren't to have MoA discredited and in hot water, you wouldn't post these links.

Posted by: Jonathan | Feb 13 2018 10:42 utc | 40

@26 Oh, sure, I didn't think he was serious. Hence the flippant response.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 13 2018 10:42 utc | 41

Sightly off-topic, though not by much: zerohedge has an article up with what must be the Best Title of The Year So Far.

"If America Wasn't America, The United States Would Be Bombing It".

Damn, that's funny.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 13 2018 10:45 utc | 42

Yeah, Right says:

"If America Wasn't America, The United States Would Be Bombing It".
Damn, that's funny

yeah, i just read the article, and while the title is indeed humorous, the content is decidedly not. but it's a good synopsis of the unprecedented amount of death and destruction wrought on this undeserving planet by the US of Argh.

Posted by: john | Feb 13 2018 11:07 utc | 43

nonsense factory | Feb 12, 2018 11:39:44 PM | 32

Thanks. I find the article balanced.

BTW, the Turks decided to rename the street in front of the USA embassy, Ankara. It's now Olive Branch Street (that's Operation Olive Branch of course) LOL.

I think the USA govt will soon have to either nuke Turkey or get nuked by Israel.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 13 2018 11:22 utc | 44

Meanwhile, Putin is busy cutting deals with the Americans and the Israelis.

Posted by: Lester | Feb 13 2018 12:08 utc | 45

@ john | Feb 13, 2018 6:07:37 AM | 51

That's because the US is celebrating a death rather than a life. Both parties are parties/cults of a death and hate. Just like all
past and present fascist's movements and parties.
"An Insider Explains How Rural Christian White America Has A Dark And Terrifying Underbelly"

This is an excellent and rare description of TRUE amerikka. Along with now when Amerikka have gotten its TRUE president, outsiders can and might get insight into TRUE and primitive nature of "society" (let call it that way) based on hate and death.

Posted by: Partisan | Feb 13 2018 13:31 utc | 46

That foreign policy is reflection of domestic one can be illustrated by these clips. American Christian Fundamentalists created destitution and lifeless "society" model and than made export product of it.

Yes this is real terror, the state sponsored terror.

Posted by: Partisan | Feb 13 2018 13:59 utc | 47

Times Square? I doubt it.

I would not put it past this man to keep the game running.

Posted by: just me | Feb 13 2018 16:37 utc | 48

What's this man talking about? US led NATO has been terrorising another member, Turkey.
By means of 3 Proxies: PKK, ISIS, Gulenists.

It's a misconception that the Turks and Americans want a war.
However, both Americans and Turks do want a war against the Neocons!

Perhaps it's time for a false flag nuke at Times Sq or Taksim Sq or Tiananmen Sq or Trafalgar Sq.

Eric Neoconman the chief provocator.

Turkey Is Out of Control.Time for the U.S. to Say So

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 13 2018 17:12 utc | 49

Lavrov has it right, the US partitioning Syria to form a new state. Problem is they do not have anyone as citizens or prospective leaders for it. A minor detail for the exceptional ones.
"Now we hear completely different explanations from our US partners regarding their presence in Syria — they say that this presence should be maintained not only until military tasks are accomplished, but also until there is a stable political process that should end in a transition of power which will be acceptable for all — meaning for the United States — which is regime change. In general, we have a suspicion…. that the United States wants to stay there for a long time, if not forever," Lavrov told a press conference after talks with his Belgian counterpart, Didier Reynders. [Sputnik News Today].

Posted by: harrylaw | Feb 13 2018 17:28 utc | 50

Not a single word about the 3 clearly exploded buildings, the pre-knowlede of WTC7's demolition, the refusal by NIST to release the data they plugged into their animations so it can be independently verified, the lack of any plane parts in Shanksville, the massive failure of US air defenses without any demotions or repercussions for those on duty, the refusal to release video of what hit the Pentagon, the miraculous perfect condition of pass ports in 2 of the crashes, the Anthrax false flag blamed on Iraq, Netanyahu's prediction that islamic terrorists will set off a nuclear bomb under the WTC in his book back in 1995, the fact that Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney fought hard to not even have an investigation, the fact that people in the media all knew that it was Bin Laden within an hour, the Yinon plan, the PNAC document calling for a new Pearl Harbour, the FBI's involvement with the first WTC car bombing in 1993...etc, etc, etc.

This article is truth "lite," some straight nonsense akin to the other gatekeepers like Chompsky.

Posted by: Jason | Feb 13 2018 17:32 utc | 51

Like many of you, I have been frequenting sites like this one and using various techniques to filter the obvious bullshit from what I thought might be the truth. At various times, I've thought that I had finally grasped some small part of truth, only to find that my "truth" was only another layer in the deception.

My current working hypothesis is that we are witnessing a multi-decade long national kabuki theater that is intended to distract us from the fact that the USofA is being set up for a Weimar Republic-style looting.

This hypothesis provides a credible explanation for the self-defeating behavior of the US in terms of both foreign and domestic policy. Lets look at a few obvious examples.

Why have we been waging continuous senseless wars for nearly two decades with no end in sight? Why have our leaders opened the national coffers to privately-owned banks, not just in the US, but overseas as well? Why is the President pushing tax cuts in conjunction with increased government spending given our $20T+ deficit?

Once you realize that the objective of our leaders is to put the country in bankruptcy, the bizarre behavior starts to make sense. At the same time, it makes mof the "who shot John" analysis that goes on here somewhat irrelevant.

Sorry to end on a down note - I enjoy

Posted by: Ageless Yankee | Feb 13 2018 17:39 utc | 52

RE my post 63 - Unfortunately I fat fingered a key and managed to publish it unintentionally. I was going to try to put a softer ending on the comment, but I think I made my basic point so I'll leave it alone.

Posted by: Ageless Yankee | Feb 13 2018 17:42 utc | 53

Jason | Feb 13, 2018 12:32:39 PM | 62

All are PRS projects. False flags.

Pearl Harbor
The Gulf of Tonkin incident (the USS Maddox incident)
Taleban, ISIS, Al Qaeda
It's like American Wrestling, not a real one.

The USA is a dangerous country because it is actually a cocoon, a PROXY, just like the PKK, Gulenists, ISIS and the Hashasins. The US doesn't have a mind of its own and it's toyed with the way the other proxies are toyed with. The USA is NOT compos mentis. It's like the mad guy in your neighborhood, he'll give you an iphone and a big mac and he'll want to cuddle you in return. Only you don't know if he'll suffocate you.

TBH, the USA scares the hell out of me. It's turning into a Weimar or there is going to be a Bastille sooner or later. God help the ordinary people of the US (and the rest of us!)

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 13 2018 17:51 utc | 54

Apologize if this is off-topic but there is an article in today's Toronto Star that may be propaganda or not. It's odd because that paper usually does not run articles like this.

Posted by: spudski | Feb 13 2018 18:16 utc | 55

@ConfusedPundit | Feb 13, 2018 12:51:09 PM | 65

The Gulf of Tonkin incident had two parts - one involving the USS Maddox and one with the USS Turner Joy a few days later.

The attack on the Maddox was real. The CIA had been working with the SVN Navy to run raids against NVN POL (fuel & oil) facilities north of the DMZ. The NVN pursued the attacking SVN torpedo boats and just happened to run into the Maddox and her air support from a nearby CVA. There was real shooting and real sinking of NVN boats.

The Turner Joy on the other hand managed to convince themselves that they were under attack as a result of improper use of their fire control radar and a sonar gang that was wrapped way too tight. The operators of the fire control radar were attempting to use it in a search mode. Anyone who has ever served on a destroyer will recognize that FC radar is excellent for tracking but horrible for acquisition. The beam width is too narrow and the return is extremely noisey. The FC operators reported that they had a contact and then sonar chipped in with a report of high speed screws in the water, i.e. torpedoes. The ship began maneuvering violently while shooting at ghosts.

The next morning, the CO of the TJ put out an after-action report in which he expressed doubt that they had actually been attacked. There is some question as to whether or not LBJ was made aware of the report.

To summarize, the Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't a false flag, but rather a straightforward provocation with a few lies thrown in to make it smell better. We wanted a reason to go into VN, so we created one. Just like we do today in the M.E.

Posted by: Ageless Yankee | Feb 13 2018 18:48 utc | 56

12;Wasp?This wasp doesn't buy that.True,their identity maybe wasps,but traitors are another way to identify them.

Posted by: dahoit | Feb 13 2018 18:50 utc | 57

dahoit @67--

ZionistWaspTraitors is fine except the Wasps were first to become traitors at the end of 19th century. The Zionist aspect is actually the most recent manifestation. Although Wasps were last to terrorize the New World--Catholics being first--they were/are certainly the most brutally evil and have carried on long after the Catholics ceased their barbarism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2018 20:14 utc | 58

@68 Damien

The Toronto Star has a similar story in today's online edition. I posted it here with the link but it was removed for some reason. I don't post a lot here but I've never had a comment removed before.

Posted by: spudski | Feb 13 2018 20:17 utc | 59
"An Insider Explains How Rural Christian White America Has A Dark And Terrifying Underbelly"

This is an excellent and rare description of TRUE amerikka

The rural US is hardly a monolith. I live in a rural, mostly white, largely christian county in the upper midwest. My county along with scores of others hereabouts voted for democrats for president for decades and decades until 2016 when they voted for Trump. Years ago my state was the 2nd or 3rd to legalize gay marriage and it didn't cause a ripple locally. When the area still had some industry, it was heavily unionized. The area was heavily for Sanders.

I'm not extolling the virtue of liberal democrats, but the article cited bears no resemblance to my area. I suspect the author is generalizing from his observations in the rural south though, to be honest, the base of Trump's support is in the relatively affluent white suburban areas of many large cities.

My county can be replicated across this area, in Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan. It is the loss of these voters--whom the dems had done nothing for--that cost Clinton the election. Maybe switching to Trump was foolish, but Clinton offered no more than the failing status quo.

Posted by: sleepy | Feb 13 2018 20:56 utc | 60

@71 yup,

that's it in a nutshell from small town Michigan.

Posted by: foo | Feb 13 2018 21:06 utc | 61

@70 spudski.. it has happened to me from time to time too.. it might show up later..that has happened to me too.

@71 sleepy.. that sounds more on target to me.. i live in canada, but i think you are on the money in your breakdown on who voted for trump.. a huge number of democrats must have been pissed with the clinton railroad and either stayed home or voted to say no to her..

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2018 21:33 utc | 62

Nasty macron threat Syria with war

Posted by: sigh | Feb 13 2018 21:59 utc | 63

Some people think major cities are controlled by the Globalists.

Trump lost in large cities.
May lost in major cities, the Anti-Brexit folks won instead.
The globalists have their tight grip on virtually every major city in the world.
They want megacities, logistic cities etc. in the world.

The globalists have had enough with America. (Trump wasn't happy so he wants to make it great again) The globalists made their money through capitalism, now they need Bitnation, blockchain (as a state, govt, you can no longer own citizens and print money because they'll be the citizens of Bitnation and they'll mine their own money) there will be home-made gold soon, they want middlemen eliminated, they sell you products without owning any stores (Amazon, Alibaba) they can transport you a-b without owning any vehicles (Uber) they control the media without employing any correspondents (facebook, youtube, twitter, instagram etc.) they don't need any banknotes (Trump=dollar), they want AI, they want Human 2.0, (first one was created by God and the new one will be fathered by the globalists) they want transhumanism, IOT, they want robots and female/male robots and marriage with robots, they want to produce economy and technology but they are not interested in the hearts and minds of the human beings, when you are thirsty they'll give you filtered seawater, hungry? they'll give you GMO food, the Chinese had sweatshops but now they have workshops manufacturing electronics, nothing has changed for them really, now they have 1 belt 1 road via logistic cities, trains to Tibilisi, then to the world's largest airport in Istanbul, people need peace and tranquility but the globalists have sold you the idea of 'happiness', they want LGBT, children with 2-3 mothers, Trump hates Obama's toilets, they want covert ops and proxies (Katie Perry has 60 million followers mostly fake and why is that? Because she's rigged for a future suicide bombing case, she'll say "I have seen a UFO" or "I made millions out of BTC" or whatever role is assigned to her) but Trump is conventional, he wants the US armed forces mobilized and wants them to face the country A-B-C straightforward like in the olden days, he has the soldiers and oil barons with him, a war cabinet... And the story goes on and on...

We are in 21st century.

Trump = Guns+Oil, KKK, Evangelists (Zionist Christians)...
The real America however belongs to = Finance capital + Technology = Globalists

We have to take all those above to see what's going on around us.


Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 13 2018 22:41 utc | 64

AN-148, the Russian plane that crashed appears to be an accident. That’s all we know. Suspected iced pitot tubes – like the Air France flight 447 and many others. I always consult the pilot’s forum pprune.

About the 100 Russians killed it seems to be a private operation un-coordinated with the Russian authorities. Again, we don’t know for sure, but supposed private operation would get 25% of oil revenues if recaptured. Sort of oil bounty hunters.

Posted by: Lochearn | Feb 13 2018 22:50 utc | 65

sigh | Feb 13, 2018 4:59:40 PM | 75

Antifa members are in Syria. Battle hardened chaps will go back to France, USA, Greece, Germany etc. and we'll soon see who is threatening whom.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 13 2018 23:05 utc | 66

Speaking of fireworks in NYC:

Obama More Concerned About Manhattan Nuke Than Russia

Also interesting news:

Seymour Hersh Says Hillary Approved Sending Libya’s Sarin to Syrian Rebels

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Feb 13 2018 23:29 utc | 67

So here is a link to folks that are walking b's talk

Activists Around Globe Call to Close All US Military Bases

Take away quotes
Activists around the world are calling for the closure of all U.S. military bases, planning to hold worldwide mobilizations on February 23. February 23 coincides with the 115th anniversary of the occupation of part of the territory of Guantanamo, Cuba by a U.S. naval base. On this day, groups around the world, and especially in the United States, plan to stage protests, rallies and disperse messages through media. Activists will also be using the following hashtags to spread awareness: #ReturnGuantanamotoCubaNow; #USOutofGuanatamo; #EEUUFueradeGuantanamo; #DevuelvanGuantanamoaCubaYa!.

The mobilizations are the culmination of the conference organized by the Coalition Against U.S. Foreign Military Bases, held at the University of Baltimore in the U.S. state of Maryland last month.
The United States has 860 military bases in 144 countries around the world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 14 2018 4:27 utc | 68

psychohistorian | Feb 13, 2018 11:27:01 PM | 85

Apparently, all the US has to do, is say no.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Feb 14 2018 6:02 utc | 69

@sleepy | Feb 13, 2018 3:56:10 PM | 71

That's laughable, at the best. At the best. Typical idiot in the US of A usually mention, as a measure of it "progressiveness", vote for Democratic party and union!?!? Go figure.

It is like saying that some province of Saudi Arabia is more "open" than the other part of the kingdom. But if few degree of separation is something that makes you happy from than live that misery of life.

Posted by: Partisan | Feb 14 2018 9:43 utc | 70


Posted by: Partisan | Feb 14 2018 10:03 utc | 71

The West and in particular Amerikkans constantly use the Circular Argument in its public relation and propaganda statements. That kind of attitude works with an allies, nominal or otherwise, in the cases where sovereignty/national interest is threatened that kind of deception is treated just like that, deception.
Unfortunately Tayyip has been used as client state for long time, from Libya to Syria where he experienced sudden awakening.

The US has reiterated that it has no plans to withdraw its forces from Manbij.

Paul Funk, the commander of US forces in Syria and Iraq, made a recent visit to Manbij and said that the US and its partners in Syria would hit back if attacked.

"You hit us, we will respond aggressively. We will defend ourselves," Funk said.

Erdogan took aim at that, saying: "It is obvious that those, who say they will 'give a sharp response' if they were hit, have not been hit by the Ottoman slap."

He, he, he....that would be something to see.

Posted by: Partisan | Feb 14 2018 10:57 utc | 72

of course, it's a lie.

now the question is do amerikkans action out of fear or preemptively?

Posted by: Partisan | Feb 14 2018 11:07 utc | 73

I hope the Russians are aware of the utter ruthlessness of certain western countries, the US in particular. They are so determined to have regime change in Syria that they will lie and cheat to achieve that end, probably culminating in direct military attacks on Syrian forces west of the Euphrates on some phoney pretext or another. Because Putin is aware of US aims it is beyond foolish to withdraw Russian forces as they have done in the past, in the vain hope that the US will reciprocate, the US do not behave like that, they see any withdrawal as a sign of weakness and exploit it. Make no mistake the US are in this for keeps, anyone who thinks otherwise will be killed just like those Russian contractors last week and the hundreds of Syrian troops killed because they posed a "so called threat" to deconfliction zones. If the West can supply hundred's of billions worth of arms to the most repressive nations on earth [Saudi Arabia and Co, then surely the Russians should supply s400 anti aircraft missiles to the Syrians who are under threat of a military assault from the West in the event of a successful false flag chemical weapons attack by the Wests proxies[which they are working on now] If not, why not?

Posted by: harrylaw | Feb 14 2018 11:34 utc | 74

Partisan | Feb 14, 2018 5:57:41 AM | 90

"He, he, he....that would be something to see."

I think he means something else!

Seeing the slap coming their way, look how the Neocons order their proxy (USA) around!
Agent provocateur fatale. (BTW he was kicked out of Turkey some years ago. He must be very upset)

Turkey Is Out of Control. Time for the U.S. to Say So.

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Feb 14 2018 12:55 utc | 75

No need to occupy Syria...Iraq...Afghanistan....Isis and Al Queda can't come to America to blow things-people up...if Muslims are not allowed into the US and if all muslims are mass deported out of the US......

Posted by: Denis Kearney | Feb 14 2018 16:23 utc | 76


Speaking of H.L. Mencken, consider the following excerpt from the essay "The National Letters" (published 1921):

"What chiefly distinguishes the daily press of the United States from the press of all other countries pretending to culture is not it's lack of truthfulness, or even it's lack of dignity and honor, for those deficiencies are common to the newspapers everywhere, but it's incurable fear of ideas, it's constant effort to evade the discussion of fundamentals by translating all issues into a few fundamental fears, it's incessant reduction of all reflection to mere emotion. It is in the true sense, never well informed. It is seldom intelligent, save in the arts of the mob-master. It is never courageously honest.

And a few lines thereafter:

"For it is upon the emotions of the mob, of course, that the whole comedy is played. Theoretically, the mob is the repository of all political wisdom and virtue; actually it is the ultimate source of all political power. Even the plutocracy can not make war upon it openly .."

Consider these lines as you read your daily paper.

Posted by: rackstraw | Feb 15 2018 0:03 utc | 77

Jika Anda kedinginan maka jangan samakan dengan bentuk grosir jual tas wanita terbaru online yang akan Anda gunakan saat Selain itu warna hitam merupakan jual tas wanita terbaru warna netral yang mana dapat TSebagai contoh,

Posted by: boost jogja | Mar 14 2018 15:20 utc | 78

Jika Anda kedinginan maka jangan samakan dengan bentuk grosir jual tas wanita terbaru online yang akan Anda gunakan saat Selain itu warna hitam merupakan jual tas wanita terbaru warna netral yang mana dapat TSebagai contoh,

Posted by: boost jogja | Mar 14 2018 15:20 utc | 79

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