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December 26, 2017
From Snowden To Russia-gate – The CIA And The Media

The promotion of the alleged Russian election hacking in certain media may have grown from the successful attempts of U.S. intelligence services to limit the publication of the NSA files obtained by Edward Snowden.

In May 2013 Edward Snowden fled to Hongkong and handed internal documents from the National Security Agency (NSA) to four journalists, Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and Ewen MacAskill of the Guardian and separately to Barton Gellman who worked for the Washington Post. Some of those documents were published by Glenn Greenwald in the Guardian, others by Barton Gellman in the Washington Post. Several other international news site published additional material though the mass of NSA papers that Snowden allegedly acquired never saw public daylight.

In July 2013 the Guardian was forced by the British government to destroy its copy of the Snowden archive.

In August 2013 Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post for some $250 million. In 2012 Bezos, the founder, largest share holder and CEO of Amazon, had already a cooperation with the CIA. Together they invested in a Canadian quantum computing company. In March 2013 Amazon signed a $600 million deal to provide computing services for the CIA.

In October 2013 Pierre Omidyar, the owner of Ebay, founded First Look Media and hired Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. The total planned investment was said to be $250 million. It took up to February 2014 until the new organization launched its first site, the Intercept. Only a few NSA stories appeared on it. The Intercept is a rather mediocre site. Its management is said to be chaotic. It publishes few stories of interests and one might ask if it ever was meant to be a serious outlet. Omidyar has worked, together with the U.S. government, to force regime change onto Ukraine. He had strong ties with the Obama administration.

Snowden had copies of some 20,000 to 58,000 NSA files. Only 1,182 have been published. Bezos and Omidyar obviously helped the NSA to keep more than 95% of the Snowden archive away from the public. The Snowden papers were practically privatized into trusted hands of Silicon Valley billionaires with ties to the various secret services and the Obama administration.

The motivation for the Bezos and Omidyar to do this is not clear. Bezos is estimated to own a shameful $90 billion. The Washington Post buy is chump-change for him. Omidyar has a net worth of some $9.3 billion. But the use of billionaires to mask what are in fact intelligence operations is not new. The Ford Foundation has for decades been a CIA front, George Soros' Open Society foundation is one of the premier "regime change" operations, well versed in instigating "color revolutions".

It would have been reasonable if the cooperation between those billionaires and the intelligence agencies had stopped after the NSA leaks were secured. But it seems that strong cooperation of the Bezos and Omidyar outlets with the CIA and others continue.

The Intercept burned a intelligence leaker, Realty Winner, who had trusted its journalists to keep her protected. It smeared the President of Syria as neo-nazi based on an (intentional?) mistranslation of one of his speeches. It additionally hired a Syrian supporter of the CIA's "regime change by Jihadis" in Syria. Despite its pretense of "fearless, adversarial journalism" it hardly deviates from U.S. policies.

The Washington Post, which has a much bigger reach, is the prime outlet for "Russia-gate", the false claims by parts of the U.S. intelligence community and the Clinton campaign, that Russia attempted to influence U.S. elections or even "colluded" with Trump.

Just today it provides two stories and one op-ed that lack any factual evidence for the anti-Russian claims made in them.

In Kremlin trolls burned across the Internet as Washington debated options the writers insinuate that some anonymous writer who published a few pieces on Counterpunch and elsewhere was part of a Russian operation. They provide zero evidence to back that claim up. Whatever that writer wrote (see list at end) was run of the mill stuff that had little to do with the U.S. election. The piece then dives into various cyber-operations against Russia that the Obama and Trump administration have discussed.

A second story in the paper today is based on "a classified GRU report obtained by The Washington Post." It claims that the Russian military intelligence service GRU started a social media operation one day after the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was illegally removed from his office in a U.S. regime change operation. What the story lists as alleged GRU puppet postings reads like normal internet talk of people opposed to the fascist regime change in Kiev. The Washington Post leaves completely unexplained who handed it an alleged GRU report from 2014, who classified it and how, if at all, it verified its veracity. To me the piece and the assertions therein have a strong odor of bovine excrement.

An op-ed in the very same Washington Post has a similar smell. It is written by the intelligence flunkies Michael Morell and Mike Rogers. Morell had hoped to become CIA boss under a President Hillary Clinton. The op-ed (which includes a serious misunderstanding of "deterrence") asserts that Russia never stopped its cyberattacks on the United States:

Russia’s information operations tactics since the election are more numerous than can be listed here. But to get a sense of the breadth of Russian activity, consider the messaging spread by Kremlin-oriented accounts on Twitter, which cybersecurity and disinformation experts have tracked as part of the German Marshall Fund’s Alliance for Securing Democracy.

The author link to this page which claims to list Twitter hashtags that are currently used by Russian influence agents. Apparently the top issue Russia's influence agents currently promote is "#merrychristmas".


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When the authors claim Russian operations are "more numerous than can be listed here" they practically admit that they have not even one  plausible operation they could cite. Its simply obfuscation to justify their call for more political and military measures against Russia. This again to distract from the real reasons Clinton lost the election and to introduce a new Cold War for the benefit of weapon producers and U.S. influence in Europe.

None of the Russia-gate stories so far has held up to scrutiny. There is no proof at all, nor reasonable evidence, that Russia interfered in elections in the U.S. or elsewhere. There is no evidence of "collusion" with the Trump campaign.

One of the most complete debunking of the false claims can be found in the recent London Review of Books: What We Don’t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking. Consortium News has published many pieces on the issue as well as analyses and warnings of what may follow from it. Many other writers have caught up and debunk the various false claims. The Nation lists various cases of journalistic malpractice with regard to Russia-gate.

The people who promote the "Russian influence" nonsense are political operatives or hacks. Take for example Luke Harding of the Guardian who just published a book titled Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win. He was taken apart in a Real News interview (vid) about the book. The interviewer pointed out that there is absolutely no evidence in the book to support its claims. When asked for any proof for his assertion Harding defensively says that he is just "storytelling" – in other words: its fiction. Harding earlier wrote a book about Edward Snowden which was a similar sham. Julian Assange called it "a hack job in the purest sense of the term". Harding is also known as plagiarizer. When he worked in Moscow he copied stories and passages from the now defunct Exile, run by Matt Taibbi and Mark Ames. The Guardian had to publish an apology.

The Mexican government controls the media by buying an immense amount of advertisement. It thus guarantees income as long as its political line is followed. The U.S. government has its own ways of controlling the media. In the 1950s to 1970s the CIA ran Operation Mockingbird which gave it control over much of the news and opinion output in U.S. media. During that time up to 400 main stream journalists were working for the CIA.

The method of control has likely changed. The handling of the Snowden affair lets one assume that the CIA induces billionaires to buy up media and to implement the CIA's favored policies through them. We do not know what the billionaires get for their service. The CIA surely has many ways to let them gain information on their competition or to influence business regulations in foreign countries. One hand will wash the other.

James Clapper as Director of National Intelligence, John Brennan as CIA head and James Comey from the FBI "assessed" that Russia influenced the U.S. presidential election. Annex B of their report, which hardly any report bothered to mention, read:

Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation and precedents.

That sentence is the core of Russia-gate. There are lots of claims, assertions and judgments but no proof at all that any of the alleged Russian influence really happened.

It is probably due to the undue influence of the intelligence services that media have adopted that Annex B standard fro themselves. With regards to Russia (and other issues) assertions are now enough – there is no need to investigate, to find the truth or to verify claims.

How will that system work if an accident happens, some jet gets shot down and the issue escalates. Will there be any reporter left in the main stream media who is allowed to ask real questions?

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Posted by: FB | Dec 29 2017 4:27 utc | 201

@ 171
I thought we got free food…

Posted by: Forest | Dec 29 2017 4:32 utc | 202

i know an asshole when i am confronted with one..

Posted by: james | Dec 29 2017 4:40 utc | 203

FB @171
Patti Hurst saga hardly compares to Manning-Snowden-Assange. Patti Hurst was never admired the way Manning-Snowden-Assange are. That admiration is a thorn in the side of TPTB.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 29 2017 5:08 utc | 204

@ FB
„And it worked amazingly well…for business also…but especially for the working class..“
You need some help to avoid being naive and for how critical reading works.
Germany raised the money spent for arms (in percentage of the BSP)
1934: 3,4%
1935: 5,5%
1936: 7,6%
1937: 9,6%
1938: 18,1%
Great Britain:
1934: 2,6%
1935: 2,6%
1936: 2,9%
1937: 3,7%
1938: 3,7%
So you may see the benefits for the working class from a different perspective. You feed the animals first before you slaughter them. And you do not play Mozart where you keep but „We are the champions…“ or stuff like this.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 29 2017 7:38 utc | 205

Where do we slay the virgins!?

Posted by: Forest | Dec 29 2017 7:49 utc | 206

@FB | Dec 28, 2017 10:12:15 PM | 199
Well, we must conclude that Wikipedia, as everything starting with Wiki-, is not preciselly an unbiased source….and, besides, we all know how certain Nazi hierarchies and ideologues were saved by the US by so called”Operation Paperclip” and unvaluable help in evading veredicts dcitated at Nuremberg trials….
Anyway, did you know that here in Spain there is a nazi organization called Hogar Social ( “Social Home”, the same which was invited recently to a nazi convention in Poland where thousand of nazis coming from the whole Europe demonstrated even with nazi uniforms and torches ) which dedicates itself to deliver food amongst needed people in the context of long economical crisis?
Of course, they do not deliver anything but beating to those who are already excluded from “the system” and thus do not go voting or do not agree with their radical and racist ideas, and it is precisely the same “kind” of people who dedicate themselves to beating homeless and communist people around there from time to time……
So I find it difficult to believe that the German Nazi Party could have any program to help alcoholics or any other people who did not represent the supposed ideals of a superior arian race if not for to catch them to then elminate them by whatever expeditious means…
Fishing votes amongst the enraged and needed have always been the strategy of the nazis since it is precisely in times of crisis of capitalism when they are reactivated by the powers that be to provoke social upheaval to overthrown democraticaly elected governments to then instal a fascist dictatorship, to then control and shut up definitively any dissent, as happened in Germany in the 30s, in italy, in Spain, and so on…..

Posted by: elsi | Dec 29 2017 12:45 utc | 207

Goodwin?

Posted by: Forest | Dec 29 2017 13:31 utc | 208

Hausmaus @ 206 said…

You need some help to avoid being naive and for how critical reading works.

Sorry…but you are projecting HM…
It’s the German people who are indoctrinated with a guilt complex that they can never get over…
And I know Germany very well…my father was stationed in Bielefeld [British base] for six years…I was there for three as a child and went to school there grades one through three…
Learned German quickly as children do…but have sadly forgotten most of it by now…
I remember an old lady ‘Frau Konopka’ who would sing little Hitler diddies to her grandchildren…in secret…because already [in 1960s] it was huge taboo…
But the old people still remember the people’s champion…
Those statistics about war production…while very true… have nothing to do with the issue under discussion…ie the Socialist platform of the regime…which was very real…
Here is British historian AJP Taylor…

Germany’s economic recovery, which was complete by 1936, did not rest on rearmament…
…it was caused mainly by lavish expenditure on public works, particularly on motor roads, and this public spending stimulated private spending also, as [British economist John Maynard] Keynes had said it would.

A. J. P. Taylor, From Sarajevo to Potsdam (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1975), p. 140
Here I will cite an acclaimed historian who is very anti-Nazi…

“The regime insisted that it was not the rule of one social class above all others, and by granting everyone opportunities to rise, it in fact demonstrated class neutrality …
These measures did indeed break through the old, petrified social structures. They tangibly improved the material condition of much of the population.”

Joachim Fest, Hitler (New York: 1974), pp. 434-435
Trump just gave one trillion dollars plus to the wealthy…
Supposedly the ‘middle class’ gets a tax break too…but here is how it breaks down…
An American earning $25,000 a year will get exactly $50 dollar tax break…
An American earning $750,000 a year will get $50,000…
The guy earning 30 times more gets 1,000 times bigger break…a fairness ratio if you will of 33 to 1…in favor of the high income earner…
In Hitler’s Germany of the 1930’s corporate tax rates doubled…from 20 percent to 40 percent…
R. Grunberger, The Twelve-Year Reich (1971), p. 177
Look at some of the customer reviews there on Amazon…even children of Holocaust survivors are interested in this intentionally buried aspect of Nazi history…
Corporate profits were kept to moderate levels…shareholder dividends were kept to six percent…
D. Schoenbaum, Hitler’s Social Revolution (1980), pp. 144, 145
I have cited only respected historians here…
There is no question that wikipedia is biased as Elsi noted…
But the bias is in favor of the standard neoliberal, Atlanticist doctrine…although everything I have presented from wikipedia is supported by citations from respected historians…
So it is useless to argue something here without anything to back it up…Hitler’s economy was much more fair and just than the debt slavery and wage slavery we have today in the so-called ‘free’ West…
Of course they do not want you to know this fact…it would be very dangerous…
Which is exactly why we should make efforts to get to truths that are deliberately hidden from us…
As for your comment here…

You feed the animals first before you slaughter them.

What is that…?
A jingle or has this something to do with anything meaningful…?
What kind of clever jingle would one say about the police state we live in where ‘law enforcement’ guns people down like shooting soda cans…?
Over 1,000 a year…that’s three civilians a day…
Maybe we could say…’they don’t even feed us before they shoot us down…’

Posted by: FB | Dec 29 2017 15:12 utc | 209

I really wonder why none of you answers my question about Bannon…Is it a taboo here
to the best of my knowledge, as one of the most long-term poster here, bannon (.. any pol from any continent) is certainly not a taboo topic. elsi, there must be something odd or erroneous with your link, or the text around it. it could be just a dot or a comma or too long or who knows.
my personal plea is for ppl to stick to the topic. b offers plenty of open threads so there is no lack of oppo for what anyone wants to express. comments are really only valuable and interesting (and read! btw) if they are focussed on the circumscribed topic as allows for povs, knowledge, insights, commentary (hopefully) that contribute to understanding, fleshing out that topic, even if the comment is naive or questioning – it shows what questions or povs. ppl have.
no readers needs the latest-2 day links from msm or counterpunch (yikes) or unz or whatever, all can look that stuff up themselves. galloping ahead with supposedly new info is playing into the game the PTB and the msm are offering: just flash sensations, partisanship, tribalism, knee-jerk reactions, sensationalism, as opposed to reflection, discussion, trying to figure and respecting other’s experience(s) and povs.

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 29 2017 15:23 utc | 210

Elsi @ 208 said…

‘Fishing votes amongst the enraged and needed have always been the strategy of the nazis…
…since it is precisely in times of crisis of capitalism when they are reactivated by the powers that be to provoke social upheaval to overthrown democratically elected governments…’

You are contradicting yourself there Elsi…
You talk of overthrowing ‘democratically elected’ governments by the ‘powers that be’…
How can you have democratically elected governments in the first place…if the powers that be are so powerful…?
Wouldn’t they already control the outcomes of the fake ‘democratic process’…?
Do we have democracy today…?
You appear to be from Spain…is this country a democracy…?
Many Catalans would say no…
Is the US a democracy or an Oligarchy…?
I think we can both agree that there is a lot of anger among the ordinary people…especially in the US…because they see they are getting a bad deal…
So yes…right wing ideology from fakes like Bannon and Dump tries to ‘fish’ for those votes…
But they are fake…
What I am saying…and I have presented citations from impeccable sources…is that at least Hitler did help the ordinary working people…
In that respect Hitler was at least better than Dump, Bannon…Hellary and everyone else in this corrupt oligarchy which has perfected a Ponzi scheme economy that transfers wealth to the top like an industrial elevator…
Would you rather that the people who are supporting the right wing… because they believe the lies of fake messiahs like Dump…be kept in the dark…?
yes…the Nazis persecuted Jews, homosexuals, and even homeless people…
This is horrible part of their ideology…
But these were all minorities…the majority was working people…and they got a very good deal from Hitler…
Nobody is saying that this was not a deliberate calculation of the Nazi ideology…
Maybe it was…in order to get…and keep… power you have to have the majority of the people to support you…
But maybe Hitler really believed that the ordinary German deserved a fair social deal…
It doesn’t actually matter if it was done for practical reasons of getting power…or from idealism…
The important thing is that it worked…
The German economy went from rags to riches…
The rich were taxed heavily…and the working class were given social benefits the likes of which the world had not seen up to that time…
My point is that it is a historical example of how an economy can work…by keeping the rich under control…and giving the people a square deal…
China is doing the same thing today…Russia is also to a lesser extent…
The government in both countries ultimately decides how far the rich and powerful can go…
They both have put the living conditions of ordinary people at the top of the list…
This is at least a start…
Let’s be realistic…

Posted by: FB | Dec 29 2017 15:45 utc | 211

When it is pointed out that there is ‘no proof’, that is a form of proof … that this is a fraud. The NSA, as William Binney has pointed out over and over again, would have proof of any ‘interference’. Therefore … it didn’t happen.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Dec 29 2017 16:35 utc | 212

@ FB | Dec 29, 2017 10:12:49 AM | 210
The aspect of social demagogy of the Nazis you got quite right. They were not ordinary ultra-conservative but very modern in many aspects. Yes, those infrastructure programs got jobs for a lot of people as a deficit-spending Keynesian program. This part was, by the way, not the invention of the Nazis. Such programs had been ready when Hitler moved on stage. But the investments had been to a big extent investments ultimately into arms. What is left to do when the investmens are done? Just look back. What I can see from far Europe is that the situation in the US must be quite desperate for too many people if some of them are tripping on „es war nicht alles schlecht…“ (Not all parts were bad!) under Hitler.
Concerning this I again advice to enhance critical readings:
„China is doing the same thing today…Russia is also to a lesser extent…“
In Russia it is now forbidden by law to use VPN. As in the Emirates. China and Russia are not ruled by oligarchs? Then I must have a deficit in informations.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 29 2017 21:14 utc | 213

More fascinating comments!
Elsi, I’ve had comments here not post or be deleted. They all seemed to related to my botched attempts at posting hyper links. I recall one time b posted that he had deleted a number of comments on the topic of whether or not tactical nuclear weapons had been used in Yemen, Ukraine and possibly Syria.
Abby Martin did a great 1/2 hour on Steve Bannon.
FB. Thanks for stirring more critical thinking on “news” stories about “Whistleblowers” and “Truth Tellers.”
We all seem to recognize that we are swimming in an ocean of propaganda/PR. For some time now, I’ve been asking people what they’d expect propaganda aimed at us to look like?
That is, propaganda is often plainly obvious to people who are not part of the target audience. But effective propaganda is essentially invisible to the target. Clearly, propaganda is designed for very specific target audiences. Cambridge Analytica claimed to use AI to create propaganda pieces for INDIVIDUAL readers.
Well, those of us who recognize that MSM is a propaganda organ first and foremost, and who “Question More” as RT’s tagline demands, have grown into a rather substantial target audience.
So, if you had the data of more than a century of multi-billion dollar scientific studies and experiments on “how to make friends and influence people,” what sort of propaganda would you create for us?

Posted by: Daniel | Dec 29 2017 21:41 utc | 214

212/214
The Nazi Party was a miscalculation by German industrialists and the “East-Elbe” land owning nobility – to defeat German socialism and to get rid of the restrictions Germany was placed under after the defeat in WWI. They wanted a second round. Most of the industrialists (with Western contacts and friends) survived, East-Elbe nobility did not.
The miscalculation being that they thought they could control a drugged suicidal populist brilliant speaker bringing out and channeling people’s aggression, to pursue a rational policy in a system dependent on one man rule (similar problem as in WW1 where the imperial German decision maker did not know what he was doing).
German population in 1939 was some 80 million (as today), and 68 million in 1950. That is a loss of of 15 percent. Not to mention destroyed cities.
But you are right, in 1950 everybody in Europe was busy rebuilding and the workforce was scarce, whilst from 1939 onwards close to everybody had been engaged in fighting and arms production. So it did solve unemployment for a while. I do doubt though anybody in their right mind would choose this consciously with the risk that 1 in 7 will not survice and everybody be traumatized.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 29 2017 22:28 utc | 215

Posted by: Daniel | Dec 29, 2017 4:41:30 PM | 215
I would say everything you hear is propaganda :-))

Posted by: somebody | Dec 29 2017 23:04 utc | 216

The article aks: what’s in it for the likes of Bezos and Omidyar?
DATA. Both realised that data is the most priceless asset, control DATA and you control pretty much anything.
Bezos got a meaty deal offering cloud storage for the Cia (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/)- and Omidyar has also made a number of investments in computer data centres and data management,
taking a premier spot on the post-Snowden world, that was manufactured by all involved.
On another note, I still find it puzzling that most people think it’s normal, it’s OK for a ‘whistleblower’ NOT to release the material it risked his/her life for. Sorry folks, but there’s something undeniably fishy about the whole Snowden story.
Call me old-fashioned, if you will – but in my mind, a whistleblower that only releases a tiny amount of info, that btw was already in the public domain, then sells the rest of his cache of information to a billionaire with links to the US deep state, may be a number of things, but he’s NO whistleblower, that’s for sure. I look forward to the day when this whole charade will be revealed, until then, I simply don’t read the Intercept.

Posted by: Isabel Monteiro | Dec 29 2017 23:05 utc | 217

Grieved @141, “We live in an age when the old empire is dying and can no longer scare us. It can no longer subjugate anyone who simply and strongly refuses to be cowed.”
I wish it were true, Grieved. The Usurpers control media, military, govt, money & energy. They are about to consolidate control over money sith a digital global currency. They are making serious inroads against private property & much more via UN Agenda 21.
How does that equate to their “dying”? Of course we can fight back, but not by declaring victory.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 29 2017 23:16 utc | 218

Dave @ 111, Yes, the CIA-run Yeltsin DID appoint Putin. Plus Henry Kissinger visited him when he was still deputy mayor of St Petersburg. Russian military action in Syria bears the interpretation that Russia is being used as a US proxy there to prolong the war: US & EU both helpfully removed the Patriot missiles from the Turkish border so that the Russian forces could enter & function. US “overlooked” the entry of Russian forces & materiel, and were so “surprised” to find the Russians in Syria. Then US bigwigs took very “frightening” actions: They wrote editorials against the Russian intervention. Whenever it looks like Syria is winning, the Russians retreat to “seek peace” while the other side rearms and brings in new forces. And US/UK intelligence agencies helped Russia with PR to escalate their military involvement by supporting the hoax of the Russian aircrash in Sinai, which is totally without any impact crater; even the heavy engine sits light as a feather on the sand.
But Putin “must” be a good guy, cuz he constantly talks up the UN. That’s the UN which has never stopped a war and is a powerful tool to bring in the global dictatorship. Its specialized agencies include the IMF, WTO, and World Bank Group.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 29 2017 23:18 utc | 219

@Noirette,
None of the possibilities you mention seem to cause trouble with my comment banned for three times in different versions each one.
To be clear, my post has more or less the same aspect that the last made by Daniel with a unique hyperlink corresponding to a short sentence.
Anyway, this morning I prepared an elaborated post by picking up links and comments about the story of Ahed Tamimi and her familiy in Nabi Saleh and their unstopable resistance for their right to live freely in their lands and be able to go and use the natural wellspring they have made use for ages, for you to know how this familiy has suffered so far, including even some member murdered by IDF occupation forces, and how their fight is non-violent, although unavailable to discouragement, and the post never saw the light either, disappeared at light velocity like those others. Some of the links were from Sputnik and RT, both Spanish and English versions. I use to compile these links and others from Spanish sites and blogs I read and offer them, sometimes with translations of parts made by me, since they are media that you probably do not read, if not because of the language, and can offer some important information, useful to understand what happens in the world or just add another point of view, like you say….My pov, as I said when I introduced myself the first moment I arrived here under advise by a commenter at Fort Russ, is one from the left, enough silenced and demonized in the Western capitalist world so as to have a chance.
Since these links are eliminated with such velocity and without any explanation, I feel this like a Pavlovian method, which says me clearly what topics are not welcome here. I would prefer a list published by the side instead of this kinda furtive method….If nobody has already says it, does not look well….. This is censure to my understanding, and that is one of the things I hate more. So, for the time being, I am seeing no difference with some other “alt-media” blogs, except for that there are still some alternative views to the point of the owner here, but, obviously, there are some absent.
Anyway, I, like the Tamimis themselves, am very accustomed to be attacked in the net because of my own unavailability to discouragement…. For a sample, and I will say this for navegantes ( i.e. full time slanderers who never comment anything of substance but then they come in all of a sudden to insult or help when somebody is targetted by others or the owner itlsef…shame on you! ), I have passed months in some blogs under continuous attack, harassment and banning without anybody daring to support me ( to not contradict the owner/-s who almost never is/are able to cop with the least dissent, lest it waste his/their agenda ) and only by banning me for life he/they could achieve getting me shut up.

Posted by: elsi | Dec 29 2017 23:27 utc | 220

Hasmaus @214 says…

‘Yes, those infrastructure programs got jobs for a lot of people as a deficit-spending Keynesian program. This part was, by the way, not the invention of the Nazis.’

True…the infrastructure programs were in motion if not in place by the time the Nazis came in…but the vast social programs which I have extensively documented were definitely not…
Neither was the doubling of corporate tax rates…the capping of dividends…the progressive taxation…and on and on…
Face it Haus…your argument is vapor…
FDR made huge infrastructure programs and put in the basic framework of a welfare state…
But the difference between the National Socialist Germany welfare state and that of FDR US is vast…
Hitler did improve the lot of the German worker by a huge amount…and the industrial output skyrocketed at the same time…
Why are you arguing against this…?
It is common sense to any honest economist [say Michael Hudson] that progressive taxation and generous social benefits is a formula for success…
Even Henry Ford said that the key to success is paying his workers enough so that they can buy the cars they build…
So stop talking nonsense…
Keeping the power of the wealthy in check is the other vital part of the economic formula…and Hitler did this too…
Do you think the wealthy class liked having their taxes doubled…while spending on social programs increased by huge amounts…?
Just think how that would go over in today’s US media…
We would be bombarded with bogus economic nostrums about trickle-down…and the throwing away of money on welfare queens…
Which brings me to your next comment…

‘…China and Russia are not ruled by oligarchs? Then I must have a deficit in informations…’

You nailed it…your information is about circa 1995 when it comes to Russia and oligarchs…
Putin has brought the vital economic sectors under government control…as they should be…this includes energy and other key industries…
What he has failed to do is bring the banking sector under government control…this is hurting Russia’s progress…
But there is no question that the few oligarchs who remain are kept in check…
Russian working people have seen a multifold increase in real income and living standards…Russia is now a medium income country with a GDP the size of Germany…
China is ahead here because they do control the vital finance sector…they too have their ‘oligarchs’ if you will…but 70 percent of the economy is government controlled…
The plutocrats are not the masters in China, nor in Russia like they are in the US…
Look at Donald Dump…he is proved to be a simple puppet…the people voted for a guy promising to pull out of Syria and the rest of the West Asia wars that are ruining the country…
They voted for a guy promising to improve relations with Russia…
And what has happened…?
Exactly the opposite…
On the economy he was always a conman…he is from the oligarchy after all…so I never actually believed that crap…
But there is no question who runs the US…
And who runs Russia and China…
In Russia three out of every four voters supports their president…
Because no Khodorkhovsky or Bill Browder is going to make hay on the lives of ordinary Russians…

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 0:22 utc | 221

….the working class were given social benefits the likes of which the world had not seen up to that time…

@FB | Dec 29, 2017 10:45:28 AM | 212
Let´s be realistic…that was in the USSR, never in Nazi Germany, your torsion of historical facts sounds like the recent “US victory over IS in Syria” when the opposite agent appropiates of something it does not own…
Anyway, whatever social benefit the Nazi regime could have provided to “certain sectors” of the German people would not be worth due the immoral and inhuman marasm of methods and procedures of exterminating other peoples as well as the aim to set fire to Europe , like they do with the German parliament, in an unequivocal sign of despise for representative democracy….
In this reagard, while Spanish democracy leaves much to be desired and the current Spanish political class is not less comprador from the corporate elites than it is in the US, only I will say that under a fascist rule, like that of Franco, I would had already died quite some years ago; they would had appeared here at my home at wee hours kicking the door and would get me to some clearing to be shot at sunrise to then be buried at any ditch or being covered by quicklime, as was the custom to do here at the Basque Country and the rest of Spain during decades to left wing activists during Franco´s dictatorship and even some years after….
P.S: Despite your admiration for Hitler, which sounds so weird, you behave like and seem to be a gentleman and, therefore, it has been a pleasure to discuss with you. If there is a real bar nearby, at an intermediate point where we both live, I would be happy to meet you for long discussions / talks … Let’s say that…. if you were Ribbentrop and I were Molotov .. I think we could reach an agreement …, while I gain time to prevent your führer from taking over Europe, extend his fascist order and exterminate my Soviet comrades ….
Perhaps,… you may enjoy this series … At one of the last episodes, there is a very interesting conversation between a German Field Marshall and Mr. Stierlitz ( SS-Standartenführer in the Ausland-SD and Soviet Undercover Agent ) that you may enjoy as I did … Anyway, the whole series has no waste…It is very good….I was said by the “friend senior strategist” that the nazis appeared in this series in a quite good light….It is said to have been supervised by the very Mr. Andropov while being filmed before its broadcasting…
Seventeen Moments of Spring

Posted by: elsi | Dec 30 2017 0:50 utc | 222

Posted by: FB | Dec 29, 2017 7:22:09 PM | 221
“Hitler did improve the lot of the German worker by a huge amount…and the industrial output skyrocketed at the same time…
Why are you arguing against this…?”

Part of “the German worker” would be Social Democrats, Trade Unionists and Communists who ended up in concentration camps. Your statement is nonsense.
These wonderful statistics of a booming economy were created by

Women were no longer included in the statistics so any women who remained out of work under the Nazi’s rule did not exist as far as the statistics were concerned.
The unemployed were given a very simple choice: do whatever work is given to you by the government or be classed as “work-shy” and put in a concentration camp.
Jews lost their citizenship in 1935 and as a result were not included in unemployment figures even though many lost their employment at the start of Hitler’s time in power.
Many young men were taken off of the unemployment figure when conscription was brought in (1935) and men had to do their time in the army etc. By 1939, the army was 1.4 million strong. To equip these men with weapons etc., factories were built and this took even more off of the unemployment figure.
With these measures in place the unemployment figure had to fall drastically and many saw the Nazi figures as nothing more than a book-keeping trick. However, many would have been too scared to speak out against the Nazis or pass negative comments on the published figures – such was the fear of the Gestapo.

Nothing like a good police force to make everybody say that they are very happy.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30 2017 1:00 utc | 223

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With all this preparation for war Germany then needed foreign workers.

In August 1944 more than 7.5 million foreign workers — almost 2 million war prisoners, and 5.7 million civilian workers — were employed in German agriculture and factories, one-third of the total labor force.
…due to the expectation of a Blitzkrieg and the ideological concern for racial purity, before 1939 the Nazis had developed no plan for a massive use of foreign labor.

But as the war grew longer, this use became necessary — it even extended to the importation of eastern women as servants. Foreign workers had to be given adequate food and training, and attempts had to be made “to integrate them more fully into German everyday life” — in full contradiction of the “distorted racist stereotypes” of Nazi ideology.

Oh, the irony.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30 2017 1:19 utc | 224

Elsi @222…
Thank you for your kind words…your suggestion of a meeting sounds quite tantalizing…
Until then we can talk here…
I need to clear up that I am not an admirer of Hitler…I am an admirer of truth…
Anyway…the simple fact of human nature is that no one person is just one thing…people are complicated…they can be many things at once…some quite at odds with the other…
You are right that the Soviet Union implemented the most extensive social programs ever…
That was the good side…and boy was it ever good…but there is always the bad side too…
I would add my own POV on the good side if you will…
The incredible higher learning infrastructure…specifically the hard sciences…
Anyone who is involved in a challenging technical field has probably had the opportunity to visit USSR/Russia and seen some of this up close…
I have…and I have seen also…from the inside…the best of the US in this domain…
The US is falling behind in this intellectual arena…that is a fact from an ‘insider’s’ view…
People are always the key…that is what surprises a Westerner who has opportunity to see ‘the other side’…the quality of the people…
And that starts with education and the opportunity to apply those sciences in solving difficult [and interesting] challenges…
The ‘free market’ and plutocracy economy doesn’t care about this…it is all left up to chance…yes the institutions are there but they depend on money from plutocrats…
Gifted children fall through the cracks instead of being given an opportunity to shine…
Producing exceptional scientists and engineers comes about due to a concerted plan of action that comes from the top…
This is the great Achilles heel of our system…
Yet it is science that fuels human progress…
I don’t want to harp about the Hitler theme…but in this area too, the Germans were very methodical…although…to be sure…the German tradition for rigor in the sciences goes back a long way…
You mentioned earlier Operation Paperclip…yes Werner von Braun being the greatest example…but there were many more…
Many were also grabbed by the Soviet Union…
When all is said and done…people tend to ‘believe’ a lot…they are like Jehovah’s witnesses…they have a pre-concieved notion of the world and they are not interested in exploring…
It’s too bad for them…exploration is the most exciting and rewarding thing there is…

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 2:02 utc | 225

@ somebody…
If you are interested in a serious discussion then I would suggest you do as I have shown how to do…
Cite extensive and credible source material…not one website that regurgitates pabulum and offers exactly zero references…

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 2:06 utc | 226

Thank you, all on topic posters, very interesting and perceptive comments. I would remind folk who think we knew it all before the Snowden revalations that no, we didn’t. There were huge disclosures about the Five Eyes operations which opened many eyeyes to the ways in which the US has changed and not for the better.

Posted by: Juliania | Dec 30 2017 3:30 utc | 227

I want to especially thank Grieved for comments with which I wholeheartedly agree. Especially the one on the shallow emptiness of evil. The Russians gave us Dostoievski, who got that right as well.

Posted by: Juliania | Dec 30 2017 3:36 utc | 228

Elsi, I too had problems posting today. I posted 3 comments, one after the other & only one appeared. One of the non-appearing was a simple compliment about someone else’s post.
I’ve no idea what’s happening.
P.S. There were no links.

Posted by: Penelope | Dec 30 2017 5:11 utc | 229

@ elsi | Dec 29, 2017 6:27:41 PM | 221
I still suppose that your problems to publish links here are of a purely technical nature. Can’t you write a html-file with your links and upload this to some file hoster service and try just to publish the link to your file there here?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 30 2017 8:17 utc | 230

„It’s too bad for them…exploration is the most exciting and rewarding thing there is…“
Posted by: FB | Dec 29, 2017 9:02:00 PM | 226
Fine! Let us explore then. My grandmother grew up in the frame of a Rittergut in Eastern Germany. Aristocrats, warriors since generations. Together with a guy who later was one of the most bloody Nazi figures. SS-leader. In the Weimar republic he had lost a huge fortune as a Playboy (alcohol, women, gambling) and in 1933 he was bankrupt and endangered by jail. In 1932 he killed with his own hands several leftists in this area, was never ever persecuted for it. In 1933 his financial problems were solved in a second. In 1944 he killed his saviour by a decision that he did not take. – My grandmother was never a person interested much in politics. For her all Nazis were basically dubious unserious people with one foot within the criminal sphere. And this guy and what he and the NSDAP did in her region, where she had direct eye’s view access, were her key witnesses.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 30 2017 9:01 utc | 231

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Posted by: FB | Dec 29, 2017 9:06:11 PM | 227
I did not notice you quote credible sources. Where I live all you had to do is talk to people.
Fact is “the German worker”, if he was lucky to survive during Nazism, mostly spent his life in public work for pocket money, with increased work hours, in concentration camps, in the military, and with bad luck in a Siberian camp until 1955. Plus was forced to book any holidays he might get controled by “Kraft durch Freude”. It was great if you prefer a communal lifestyle, have no plans of your own, and don’t mind hardship. My grandfather used to hike with friends through the Mediterranean. This was not possible after 1933 when the Nazis made all youth associations illegal. Last time he managed to go on a holiday abroad he had to go on his own in 1938. With his parents worried because he was not supposed to do this. In the 1950’s when life did get a lot better for “the worker” in Western Germany (and in Eastern Germany to a lesser degree) people withdrew into their families as a reaction.
But yes, of course you could profit. The dark background of the drive of Jewish people to concentration camps was robbery, of houses, art, positions, property, and robbery down to the last soldier was the basis of the war in the East.
This here is
Molotovs note on the behaviour of German soldiers to All Governments with which the U. S. S. R. Has Diplomatic Relations

German officers and soldiers engage in orgies of plunder in all captured Soviet districts. The German authorities have legalized looting by their army and encourage pillage and violence. The German Government regards this as a realization of the bandit “principle” it once enunciated, according to which every German warrior must have a “personal, material interest in the war.”

The “great Nazi economy” needed the plunder of war to finance itself.
It was not just the East. Germans robbed the cultural heritage of Europe during WW2, basically anything of value. If you don’t believe me google “restitution”. Germany got off cheap because of the cold war.
So yes, you could profit. But not by being forced to work building the Autobahn.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30 2017 10:27 utc | 232

add to 233
What you are talking about is economic psychology. Yes, Nazi propaganda was state of the art. And there always was an enemy that could be blamed for any problem and life would be perfect when this enemy was defeated.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30 2017 11:01 utc | 233

somebody…
If you haven’t seen the links then you haven’t even read those comments…they are quite obvious…even give page numbers for the books…
How did a minnow like you get the idea to insert himself into a serious discussion…?

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 13:13 utc | 234

@ FB | Dec 30, 2017 8:13:00 AM | 235
You adressed @somebody, not me. I want you to know that I dislike such language here, especially if someone comes from such a shaky ground. I am a German and I cannot see any important flaw in his argumentation, but a lot in yours.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 30 2017 13:43 utc | 235

Hausmeister @232
Thanks for your comment…
I appreciate that you have now taken a more serious turn in regards to this issue…by citing firsthand info…
Yes some among the German ‘Rittergut’ or land-owning class did suffer from arbitrary acts of criminality under the Nazis…the same happened with the Bolsheviks in Russia…
And yes…criminals are often the type who have the skills needed to cow [even terrorize] the more powerful, established sectors of a society which the revolutionary needs to subude…
These kinds of things are unfortunate and tend to discredit the ideals of a revolution…
There is no question that Hitler was not a friend of the ‘manor’ class…some were thrown to wolves as an example…like your grandmother’s ‘friend’…and the rest either played ball or were likewise tossed aside…
But Hitler did build 90,000 new homes for small farmers…[can’t find the exact citation right now…]
In any case…I will just close by pointing to a critique of Hitler’s economic policies by Llewellyn Rockwell…who is a Libertarian ideologue…but is nonetheless a respected academic and can be fairly considered a scholar of political economy…
He admits the points I have made…
‘…What were those economic policies?

‘He suspended the gold standard, embarked on huge public-works programs like autobahns, protected industry from foreign competition, expanded credit, instituted jobs programs, bullied the private sector on prices and production decisions, vastly expanded the military, enforced capital controls, instituted family planning, penalized smoking, brought about national healthcare and unemployment insurance, imposed education standards, and eventually ran huge deficits.
The Nazi interventionist program was essential to the regime’s rejection of the market economy and its embrace of socialism in one country.’

Of course…being a ‘free-market ideologue Rockwell proceeds to harshly criticize Hitler’s socialism…not because he is against Hitler so much…but because he is refelxively against socialim…
But his argument is weak and heavily skewed by his own laissez-faire biases…
Ultimately his rebuttal falls back on one single point…which has also been made here by Elsi and yourself…
Namely the horrible acts associated with Hitler’s regime…He even cites the ADL [anti-defamation league…a Jewish organization with plenty of its own skeletons in the closet…]

‘…To write of Hitler without the context of the millions of innocents brutally murdered and the tens of millions who died fighting against him is an insult to all of their memories,” wrote the ADL…’

Rockwell finishes his ideological screed by condemning Keynes himself…the real target of his ‘analysis’…
But he puts up zero actual economic argument against the Hitler socialism…other than one completely unsupported statement…

‘…But underneath it all, grave distortions were taking place, just as they occur in any non-market economy…’

Rockwell…himself an academic knows full well that this type of unsupported statement would never pass muster in a peer-reviewed journal…but is of course fine for a website…
So that’s the argument right there from the biggest ideological enemy of socialism [or in fact social progress]…conflating the crimes of the Hitler regime to the economic success…
Saying that you can’t have one without the other…which is of course never attempted to be supported in any way…even using only rhetoric and logic…
But the blind spot of ideologues like Rockwell is that they fail to take into account what I consider the most important aspect of a modern society…its technical capability…
This will never happen by itself…ie left to the market…
The huge program of developing a vast and sophisticated infrastructure of higher learning…the direction of state resources into challenging scientific projects like space exploration, nuclear energy, aeronautics, medicine and others…
Well…this doesn’t happen in a ‘free market’ that is concerned only with maximizing profit and minimizing government involvement in anything, including education…
The Soviet Union went from a petrified and backwaard monarchy and aristocracy to a world leader in not only industry but in pushing the frontiers of the most challenging human endeavors…
The US under JFK, had one brief episode where the will of the state was directed at putting a man on the moon…and this bore tremendous fruit…
After which…the whole thing was left to privateers and profiteers in the private sector and has predictably now fallen to pieces…
The US will soon be a third-rate country in technical capability…
Already they are reliant on Russia for getting their people into space [seven years now]…and even buying Russian rocket engines to hoist their military satellites into orbit…
This is what happens in a ‘free market’…
A modern society cannot function like that…

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 14:30 utc | 236

elsi @ 223 mentioned a memorable scene from “17 moments of spring.” This is it.
https://youtu.be/pc6DP1jNEec?list=PLHiAMOiVIvsD2u8g0RLwvdRScEe9yiUr5&t=1361

Posted by: rjj | Dec 30 2017 14:33 utc | 237

Posted by: FB | Dec 30, 2017 9:30:38 AM | 237
I agree on the uncontrolled free market but dictatorship does not work economically either.
How about putting democracy into the economy?

Posted by: somebody | Dec 30 2017 14:39 utc | 238

@ FB | Dec 30, 2017 9:30:38 AM | 237
Uff, there is a misunderstanding. “Yes some among the German ‘Rittergut’ or land-owning class did suffer from arbitrary acts of criminality under the Nazis.” The guy in question, this aristocrat, did not suffer from the Nazis. He solved his bankruptcy problem by being member of the Nazi party, obtaining shady “help” and got to be one of the leading SS-people. That was the reason why my grandmother rejected all Nazis as kind of hidden criminals and not trustworthy. – To create jobs, invest in infrastructure and education for the public is of course a good thing. But it is devalued if it is an integral part of a robber community building program. Said region is agricultural and did not further prosper from the Nazis.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Dec 30 2017 15:24 utc | 239

I wanted to thank @somebody and @Hausmeister for their direct testimonies about life in Nazi Germany, and their help to counter the arguments of Mr.FB….
@rjj, thank you for providing the cut where that memorable scene starts…How is that you can achieve linking just from that point of footage? I have no idea how to do that….
Anyway, I think all here will enjoy, since perfrormance by the actors is so good that seems to be real, so moving when the marshall starts crying…Also the script has no waste, as well as the whole series….
A good film to watch these holydays….

Posted by: elsi | Dec 30 2017 19:47 utc | 240

@241 elsi.. if you right click on the youtube video and choose the option ‘copy video URL at current time’ it will do what rjj shared..

Posted by: james | Dec 30 2017 21:05 utc | 241

@ james | Dec 30, 2017 4:05:55 PM | 242
Thank you very much,james, I will be using it from now on..
Are you a mod here?

Posted by: elsi | Dec 30 2017 21:25 utc | 242

Elsi…[if you’re still on speaking terms with me…]
Thanks for pointing to ’17 Moments of Spring’
I’m watching the first episode now…
Will let you know what I think…looks good so far…

Posted by: FB | Dec 30 2017 23:03 utc | 243

@elsi.. you’re welcome.. no i’m not, although sometimes imight come across like i am, lol.. i like moa and like to learn from everyone. b is the only one who moderates here as i know.

Posted by: james | Dec 30 2017 23:03 utc | 244

FB
The Nazis were lying bullies throughout their short history.
There are better examples of societies that prospered by sharing the wealth – as well as examples of economies that were crippled by greedy oligarchs.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 31 2017 3:15 utc | 245

Jackrabbit says…

‘There are better examples of societies that prospered by sharing the wealth…’

Okay…I’ll bite…let’s hear about these ‘hidden chestnuts…’

Posted by: FB | Dec 31 2017 3:47 utc | 246

South Korea vs Philippines
Both had roughly the same population and GDP per capita as of the early 60s but SK grew much faster. Development economists have concluded that the disparity in growth can be explained by SK’s much more equal distribution of both income and land ownership.
Today Philippines has population of 105 million and GDP of less than $900 billion while SK, with less than half the population (51.5 million), has more than double the GDP ($ 2 trillion).

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 31 2017 4:54 utc | 247

Elsi…[if you’re still on speaking terms with me…

@FB | Dec 30, 2017 6:03:18 PM | 244
Of course, why not? I love discussing about politics, while the disussion keeps polite and interesting…with contributing interesting fact based arguments, without disqualification towards any of the participants in the debate…

Will let you know what I think…looks good so far…

Looking forward for your impression….I hope you enjoy the whole series…I found myself not being able to stop watching even when sleep time arrived….So interesting….such good script and performances….
P.S Are you a British?
Happy New Year!

Posted by: elsi | Dec 31 2017 13:52 utc | 249

Elsi says…

‘…I found myself not being able to stop watching…”

Me too…I watched the first three episodes last night…
It is a delightful change from smellywood crap which I stopped watching years ago…
Vyacheslav Tikhonov as Stierlitz/Bolzen gives a very strong performance in the lead role…he is immensely likable…a very smart-looking fellow… dignified… empathetic…
I like Pastor Shlag too…[poor fellow…his criminal bum cellmates tormenting the decent man in a way that is both heartrending and hilarious at the same time…]
As far as I am aware Hollywood has never produced any truly interesting cinema on the Second World War…
perhaps Schindler’s List…everything else is cartoonish and empty…and usually completely divorced from historical fact…
Seventeen Moments is masterful cinema… the war is a powerful subject of course and I love the way that real footage is interspersed for historical context…
The Nazi characters are multidimensional, interesting… and very much as one might imagine them to be…
Kaltenbrunner is portrayed as a professional and competent man…yet not quite his own man…Stierlitz notices at the funeral of the kidney doctor how Kalternbrunner’s manner imitates that of the Fuehrer…patting the cheek of the young blonde-haired boy in the same kind of gesture…
Schellenberg…Stierlitz’s boss as head of foreign intelligence…is nicely rounded as well…and quite accurately…all the historical characters are…this is quite noteworthy…
Of course the plot revolves around the ‘end game’ then in play…of the desire among some of the realists around Hitler to reach out to the West to make a separate peace…and stave off total destruction by a vengeful Red Army…
In the context of the 1970s Cold War…this theme of the West’s betrayal surely resonates with historical significance…if nothing else this theme alone gives the series a substance that is hard to overlook…
It is the attention to detail one notices in fine cinema…
Stierlit’z maid is shown building a fire…and she carefully peels away the dry birch bark for kindling and places it in the fireplace…what a smart girl…
Frau Zaurich notices some medicinal herbs and stoops to pick them…telling Stierlitz that they are good for kidney problems…
‘Do you have kidney problems’ she asks…
‘No’ replies the studious Stierlitz…
‘Pity’…she says dryly…
Now that’s good for a nice smile…
The soundtrack is wonderful…
Stierlitz looks terrific in his Nazi uniform…replete with the Totenkopf insignia on his cap…driving around in his beautiful vintage Benz…
Now one quickly realizes that the idea of Stierlitz…a Russian spy in the heart of the Nazi Sicherheitsdienst…ie security service of the mighty Schutzstaffel…is quite fantastic…and requires a bit of suspension of disbelief…
Nothing wrong with that…it is cinema after all…
But some details could have been done better…for instance when Stierlitz takes out the cruel clown Klaus…[what a great turn by Lev Durov btw in this role…there is nothing funnier than a simpleton who imagines himself a genius…he wants sardines, but gets a ball of lead in his gut instead…]
But the mortally wounded Klaus conveniently sinks to the bottom of the lake…instead of floating back up as one would of course expect…
Minor quibble…but certainly Seventeen Moments never approaches the caricature of truly ridiculous fare like 007…
Still…it is so realistic that my first question was if there was any basis in fact in this character…of course the answer is no…well…not quite anyway…
…The true story that comes close is Richard Sorge…whose story is truly worthy of fine motion picture…
There is a 2003 Japanese film…Spy Sorge…which I intend to view after I finish this truly addictive series…
I wish the Russians would come out with a Sorge film…
I have to note with some amusement that while Stierlitz was a much loved character in the USSR…he was also ‘the butt of a common genre of Russian jokes…’

‘…Stierlitz approaches Berlin. The city is veiled in smoke from the fires. “Forgot to switch off the iron again,” thought Stierlitz with slight irritation.
It must have been hilarious to live in Soviet times…
The public were so much more sophisticated than our dumbed downed drones…
Thanks for this Elsi…
Regards,
FB
PS: I am Canadian…the kind that doesn’t like Americans much…

Posted by: FB | Dec 31 2017 17:20 utc | 250

@FB | Dec 31, 2017 12:20:35 PM | 251
Oh, well, monsieur I can see that you are a person who do not let scape any detail from your attention….I am glad that you are enjoying, I told you that it was very good….
Yes, the scene where the car with killed Klaus is sinking in the lake I found it somehow inverosmil, too…But the series includes also some very moving moments…that I am not going to mention so that to not spoil your view…

Of course the plot revolves around the ‘end game’ then in play…of the desire among some of the realists around Hitler to reach out to the West to make a separate peace…and stave off total destruction by a vengeful Red Army..

Well, the Red Army was not in any way acting in a “vengeful” way, but instead in self-defense, after the clear genocidal intentions they could witness during the siege of Stalingrad. In this regard just the other day thye broadcasted in the first chnnesl Spain public TV a Russian film that perhaps you may want to view:
‘Stalingrad’ by Fedor Bondarchuk
I think that reflects very well the Russian spirit, as well as the diferent degrees of evilness human beings are capable of…..I appreciate the realism in the scenes of war, in my view much more fidel that what you can see in US cinema….Then you have that the sense of comradery and even human relations have clearly other touch in Russian films….I am becoming aficcionate to this cinema…
On wars also, may be you could be interested in watching this other that was recommended to me by “friend senior strategist”, by the same director, Fédor Bondarchuk, on the Soviet War in Afghanistan. I can not find the original version with English subtitiles, which is the best way to see and enjoy films. I hope you can find it, this way is not the same…It sounds quite strange hearing these soviet guys talking with that US accent…
9th company [English version] – )9 рота [Английская версия]
Thank you for mentioning Richard Sorge and providing the link to that japanese film, I did not know about him, and I am really interested in spy lives, especially Soviet…
In line with this and in regard to that disbelief by you on the possibility of a Soviet spy infiltrating high echolons of III Reich Intelligence, what about “Kim” Philby?, he was almost at the very top of British intelligence when he was identified….

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1 2018 21:49 utc | 251

Well, finally, monsieur FB, I found that I had that film in original version bookmarked ( Since it was provided to me by that “senior strategist” long time ago, I though I had lost it in one of the multiple attacks my computer has suffered so far…)
So, here it is, far better to view it in Russian, otherwise you will lose their charming intonation in the different stay of moods….A good way to know the Russians better….Not to mention that this version has a far higuer defintion too:
9. чета (2005) – руски филм са преводом
Enjoy!
Regards,
PS: I would also had liked to live in Soviet times…may be one day…when it is possible to travel in time….
Elsi

Posted by: elsi | Jan 1 2018 22:02 utc | 252

Buenas dias senorita Elsi…
I’m now on episode seven…moving along nicely…
Thanks for the links…you are quite a source…like a fountain…
I’m going to send you a link later that is a Russian documentary series which I enjoyed greatly…
I think we are talking about maybe a different ‘Klaus’ scene…
The scene I am talking about is in the second episode…starts here…
Say…about that long talk in a bar…may I suggest the Elefant…
Regards…
M. FB…

Posted by: FB | Jan 1 2018 23:53 utc | 253

Great analysis, great information, great background.
Great contribution by many commentators.

Posted by: Bianca | Jan 2 2018 18:20 utc | 254

@FB
like your double space, highlights, font usage. It contributes greatly to the readability of text.
There are so many cases in history where a convenient narrative is provided, but we never learn the complete story. This is how the same stupid formulas can be pulled by the oligarchies of every stripe and persuasion throughout history. Today, the most relevant one is the color revolution by Trotsky, the story of taking down a feeble and ineffective monarchy in Russia, and replacing it with the globalist revolution of its time. And in the process, by selling the universality of their principles, using ideology as a science, managed to undermine every institution human beings relied on for survival. The ideology of permanent revolution was to insure the rule of the few at the top, while maintaining the illusion of people’s will. Today’s globalism, enabled corporate and financial oligarchy to make critical decisions, leaving the institutions of governance an empty shell. Ironically, what saved Russia was the impeding Nazi invasion, and the internal struggle with Trotskyites only exposed all of the global thinkers’ weaknesses, contributing to the rise of Stalin. Our own official understanding of economy has become an ideological tale of the greatness of global economy, distaste of traditional institutions, borders, immigration. Trump’s oversimplification of real issues has however, struck a chord, as always when ignorance meets want. But as it often happens, a wrecking ball of ignorance and arrogance, can be just as effective, if not more, then all the learned analysis, in creating cracks in status quo. And as ignorance and arrogance are lashing out full of confidence across the globe, the boomerang effect cannot be underestimated.

Posted by: Bianca | Jan 2 2018 21:27 utc | 255

Hi Bianca…
Thanks for your kind words…I try to make my text easy to breeze through if you will…
I agree with you that rule by the few…the elite if you will…has of course been the biggest problem…in just about any system…
The problem now has become structural…
Ie…the Ponzi economy we have in the US-dominated global economic system…is doomed to collapse…like any pyramid scheme…
It is purely a matter of mathematics…I you look up exponential growth…you find three examples of note…[besides the legitimate applications in physics, biology etc…]
1. In Economics…the idea of perpetual economic growth year over year…
Under the heading of Finance we have two examples…
1. Compound Interest…which is supposed to be magical according to our indoctrination by plutocrats like Warren Buffet…
2. Pyramid Schemes…the two [compound interest and Ponzi schemes] are mathematically exactly the same…only mirror images of one another…
So there we are…we have an economy that will collapse if we do not have perpetual growth…an impossibility in the natural world…
And we have a Ponzi financial system that lives like a parasite off all of us…
By some estimates…the real economy of the US is only about 5 trillion dollars a year…the rest is a scam…
This is all coming down like a house of cards…
The political game is just a cover for the financial machinations as you have hinted…
Much to discuss here…
Regards,
FB

Posted by: FB | Jan 2 2018 23:34 utc | 256

@ FB | Jan 1, 2018 6:53:11 PM | 254

I’m now on episode seven…moving along nicely…
Thanks for the links…you are quite a source…like a fountain…

Glad to hear that you are enjoying so much, you´re welcome, that series was provided to me by a man/men/group who said always that “knowledge is social”, “experts does not exist” and “every datastream is useful”, and I agree in the social part, the more being myself a communist…Why not to share what you have been offered freely?

I think we are talking about maybe a different ‘Klaus’ scene…

LoL! Not really, it was the same Klaus whom I was talking about, just I had a lapsus probably due to a dead short at my brain´s “department of cinema” as a result of which I mixed that of Klaus with another scene from “Fried Green Tomatoes” where a car without his abusive owner was sinking into the lake…Towanda!!!….
Elefant seems a good place to meet, with such a warm and home like atmosphere…just like an oasis in the middle of war….Have you noticed Gabi´ s loneliness? I was hoping that Mr. Bolzen/Stierlitz could had loved her a little bit…but he is so commited to his mission….besides of happily married….And, anyway, love affairs could be counterproductive in an spy´s work….
Buenas noches!

Posted by: elsi | Jan 4 2018 0:06 utc | 257

Hi Elsi…
OK…I finished the series Seventeen Moments of Spring a few days ago and wanted to let you know what I think overall…
I mentioned in my first impression that this is an important subject…ie the West’s betrayal of its Russian ally in the final days of WW2…
The Red Army was marching unstoppably on Berlin…historic European cities Budapest, Belgrade, Vienna…all were already liberated by spring of 1945…
But in the meantime the US…through its intelligence chief Allen Dulles…was negotiating with a high ranking SS [Schutzstaffel] General…Karl Wolff…in Bern Switzerland…
This is the topic of the series…and it is important historically…
I for one was not aware of these secret talks as this is a part of WW2 history that is conveniently forgotten in the West…
The talks were called Operation Sunrise… or sometimes Operation Crossword…in Seventeen Moments they are called Operation Sunrise Crossword…
Wolff…acting under the monster Heinrich Himmler…the architect of Nazi death camps…was offering to Dulles and the US [and their British ally] a separate peace in the western front…so the Nazis could concentrate on defending Germany from the Red Army…
The Nazis even spoke of joining together with the US and Britain to fight the Soviet Union together…
The result that both Dulles and Wolff were seeking was a Germany that would not fall into the hands of the Russians…and in fact a preservation of some of the key personnel in place…
These talks were of course known to Stalin, as Rooseevelt had communicated to him that they were taking place…however Stalin’s request to take part in the talks was denied by erstwhile ally US…
Here is how the CIA website describes the talks…

‘Perhaps Dulles’ greatest contribution to the war was “Operation Sunrise.” With defeat looming for Nazi Germany, growing unrest among high-ranking German officials prompted some to seek secret contacts with American and British officials to negotiate peace proposals.
At first, American intelligence officers hesitated to enter into such talks due to President Franklin Roosevelt’s “unconditional surrender” policy established during the Casablanca Conference in 1943. They were also reluctant to make a move that might provoke Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, who feared abandonment by the Western Allies.
In spite of these fears, higher authorities in Washington gave Dulles permission to meet with Nazi Gen. Karl Wolff to secretly arrange for the surrender of German troops in Italy. Thus began weeks of secret negotiations. Tension between the West and the Soviet Union complicated the peace talks, while Wolff and other German officials stalled the discussions because they feared discovery and Hitler’s wrath for betraying Nazi Germany.
Finally, on May 2, 1945 — just five days before the collapse of the Axis powers in Europe — German troops in Italy surrendered as a result of the Dulles-Wolff meetings. “Operation Sunrise” was a success, bringing about the end of the Italian campaign and saving thousands of lives.’

So ‘saving thousands of lives’ was the ,‘success’ of these talks…where have we heard that line before…?
Oh yeah…the atomic bombings of Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done ‘to save millions of lives…’
This is of course the way the American mind works…killing people is always a good way to save lives…
When will the rest of the world understand this simple logic…?
So this the historical story of Seventeen Moments…
And it is a story that is nicely told…yes the Stierlitz character sometimes veers into caricature in the way he always outwits the German dumkopfs…[hence the Russian Stierlitz jokes…]
But as I said…this is cinema…and the story is quite gripping…
The Kathe character especially draws in our sympathy…as does Helmut…the German guard who saves her…[played here by very likeable East German actor Otto Millies…]
The viewer’s emotions are nearly overwhelmed when Helmut’s own baby daughter as well as Kathe’s baby boy are both bundled together in the arms of a desperate Kathe trying to evade the Gestapo dragnet in Berlin…
I won’t give away the story here…but this is just one of the subplots in this series that draws the viewer in like a magnet…and takes him on an emotional rollercoaster…
There are beautiful stylistic touches…in the opening scene of episode one Stierlitz looks skyward to see a flock of geese flying home for spring…in their unmistakable Vee formation…
Then in episode 10, as Stierlitz hits rock bottom in his interrogation cell…he closes his eyes and sees in his mind’s eye the same homecoming geese…
He is thinking of course about his homeland, Russia…and how he too would like to fly home…
Canadians have a similar love affair with our geese…it is one of the wonderful sights to see them flying overhead…if they are flying low, as over a country field for instance…you can hear the whistling of the wind from their wings even before you see them…especially at twilight…
The sight of them in the skies always signals for us a time of changing seasons…and is a wonderful metaphor here in this series…
All in all…a terrific film…all the historical characters and events are presented very realistically…there is no heavy-handed propaganda or ideological agenda as one typically sees in Hollywood films about the war…
PS: I promised you a link to a Russian documentary series on WW2…it is in 18 episodes and is the best I have seen on the subject…
Also wondering if you have watched the Japanese Sorge film…?
I liked it…a good piece of cinema and an incredible story of a true hero…

Posted by: FB | Jan 6 2018 2:41 utc | 258

Hi Elsi…
I’m trying to post my full review of the series Seventeen Moments of Spring…but am running into technical difficulties similar to what you described earlier…
This has happened before here on this site…so I will try again tomorrow…

Posted by: FB | Jan 6 2018 3:05 utc | 259

I’m creating a website and I wanted to post this article. Can I do this if a give proper credit?

Posted by: Akshay Kapadia | Jan 8 2018 17:23 utc | 260

Hi Monsieur. FB,
First of all, I must say that I thought that you would have stopped writing at this thread…( in fact, I wonder for how long we will be allowed to continue talking here….
Second, thank you very much for your detailed account of moving and interesting moments of the memorable series Seventeen Moments of Spring.
I was sure any “curious” person would find the series a treasure, not only, as you found out, by its accurate account of historical events which could be unknown for many, but also by its aesthetics, sobriety and excellent performances…even when touching very emotional moments like the furtive encounter of Mr. Stierlitz and his wife at Elefant, just after his mission was prorogatted by Moscow, only for them to be able to watch to each other in the distance fro a moment…so that not arising suspiccions on the apparently single Mr. Bolzen…Initially, I thought he was not to show any emotion at all, for the woman´s despair, as it would be mandatory for any foreign agent in public view, but, when the camera approaches, his eyes….well…never a look could express so much suffering, pain, nostalgia,…and never a scene could better express the harshness of an spy work…The same you can feel when Mr. Svedeborg forgot about just an important detail on his mission in Switzerland, about a flower vase which might be visible in the window´s flat of his contact there before he was able to go up, which took him, first, to get caught, and then, to finally get dead….This is also, I fear, along with the vicissitudes of Pastor Shlag ( remember when the elder pastor starts his crossing through the snowy mountains in Switzerland, just Mr.Stierlitz had not all with him on the success of his mission seeing him walking away in such clumsy way… ) an homage to those Germans participating in the resistance to the Nazi regime….
I was also grabbed by the episodes where Kathe was in danger, wishing that the next episode were alluding more details on what was going on with her…I liked poor Helmut a lot…even in his obviously mind damaged state, he was able to differentiate among what is tolerable, even being at war, and what not….I think that it is also a homage to all those Germans who at certain point felt that the Nazi regime was deadly wrong….
Third, by the way, you seem to know the German language, by your use of German words/expressions, are you of German descent?
You seem also to be fond on bird watching….something proper of kinda contemplative people…
Did you know that I happen to live in a crossroad for birds from around the world?
Yes, I live very near Txingudi Bay….although I have no idea about geese…and not interested in birds until just recently during my short travels in solitude through Spain ….But, when I am at night quietly reading at my lap top, during season change, I usually hear the flocks of birds passing over my home, making a lot of noise…wondering always how is that they get orientated at night…. and where they could were going…. as always happens to me when I watch any aircraft very high in the sky at sunset….They usually come to confirm, if it were not so obvious by the climate at the time, as sometimes happens here, that the winter is coming….
So, you are fond on birds and also now you seem, besides, to be very knoledgeable in aircrafting….
Did you know that, when I was just a child, I was always wishing to become an aircraft pilot in spite of being a girl?
Just had to forgot about that when around seven or eight years old I became myopic….That was a tragedy for me….but overcome it….In exchange, I guess, I became an impenitent traveller….Dad was a sailor….but, he did not want any of his children would be one….because of the dangers and sufferings of working in the sea…although he took great troubles to teach us to swim, even in the wild deep waters of the Cantabric Sea…He used to carry me on his back…and swim very, very far… inside the sea….He had a long and great scar in his back….
Thank you for the series on WWII, I think that this is from the same production of another series another commenter at other some blogs called “Sergei” provided to me on the Korean War. I will put the link in case you could be interested:
The Korean War. Russian Documentary Film (English Subtitles)
StarMediaEN

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P.S: There are cliques at every of the supposed “alt-media”…I have been targeted by some of them at Saker´s and Fort Russ…Just you deviates from their line a bit, wait for them to come in mass, even when some never contribute with anything to the blog in question…I fear that some are people from the “alt-right”, by their behavior, gross language, hate for communists, black and Arabic people and women in general…Others are staff trying to neutralize anybody deviating form the blog´s broadcasting goal

Posted by: elsi | Jan 13 2018 19:09 utc | 261

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Posted by: Benjamin Allen Sullivan | Jan 16 2018 16:27 utc | 262

Hi Elsi…
[I think maybe you are not speaking to me anymore but I hope you get this message…]
Thank you for your message…it is always a pleasure to read your messages…[even when you are upset…]
Yes…I agree with you about all those scenes you pointed out…they are beautifully done…I’m sure you have heard about the ‘Russian soul’ in literature…in the writings of Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy and others…
I think this can be seen in Russian cinema also…at least what little I have seen of it…I will point to some links of Russian films I have seen in a future message…
Seventeen Moments certainly has some very soulful moments…
You mentioned the Mr. Svedeborg incident in Switzerland…yes this was heart-rending…this and the death of Helmut [especailly] was for me the most painful part…
I really liked Helmut…because of his humanity and honesty…and also because he was an ordinary man who loved his poor child with such devotion…he really struck a deep chord with me…my heart sank when I saw him lying on the street…what a hero…
Mr. Svedeborg…aka Professor Pleischner…was played by Yevgeniy Yevstigneyev, who turns out to be a very well known Soviet actor…poor guy…it was so painful that he made such a clumsy mistake…but he became a true hero when it counted…
Absolutely memorable…just thinking about those scenes now makes me emotional…
You are right about this series on the personal and emotional level…it is quite touching…
[I am having trouble getting this post up so will try to post the second part separately…]

Posted by: FB | Jan 16 2018 20:32 utc | 263

Hi again Elsi…
About the geese…I have been fascinated with birds [and flying machines] since I was a small child…
You would not have migratory geese where you live…but I have a farm in Ontario province where the geese are my most beloved friends…
That scene is from a movie called ‘Fly Away Home’…

Posted by: FB | Jan 16 2018 20:39 utc | 264

Elsi…
[I am continuing to break up my post into smaller pieces because it is the only way it will stay up here…]
Fly Away Home is based on a true story of an Ontario man who decided to help some geese that had not learned how to fly south for the winter…
He decided to ‘teach them’ by training him to fly with him alongside his ultralight aircraft…
And then to lead them on the journey south…it is a beautiful story…but the film is not available for free on youtube unfortunately…
Here is a real life example…
And here…
And here…

Posted by: FB | Jan 16 2018 20:41 utc | 265

More for Mademoiselle [I am assuming] Elsi…
But you know what is a beautiful sight…?
Have you ever seen swans flying…?
This is much more rare in my area…but there are always a pair that come every year over my farm…
They fly very low…right over my roof…but I can hear them from a mile away…they sound like a trombone…so when I hear them I quickly scramble outside and watch them as they flow low over the fields and and come right over my head…!
This is something to see…they are huge birds…two meters long or more in flight…when I see them flying so close I always wonder how is it possible…?
I love all birds…especially I get a lot of hummingbirds…because i put out nectar feeders for them on the windows…
I could talk for hours about birds…and all from my own experiences with these beautiful live beings…
I am so happy to hear that you are also fascinated with flying…[and not surprised…you have a lively mind and soul…]
Being near-sighted is not a problem…many professional pilots wear corrective glasses or lenses…there is no rule against it…but you do have to be physically healthy and pass an aviation medical exam every few months…
It is the most wonderful life and profession…you should not give up on this…go to a small airport near you and ask about taking flying lessons in a small airplane…it is expensive though…
But there are many professional women pilots…they are not looked down on by anyone in the profession…
I do hope you get this message…
Regards,
FB

Posted by: FB | Jan 16 2018 20:45 utc | 266

Oh…I forgot about your question Elsi…
No I have no German heritage…but I spent three years in Germany as a child while my father was stationed with the British armed forces there…
I did learn how to speak German quite well…but have forgotten most of it…but I can still read German reasonably well…
Regards,
FB

Posted by: FB | Jan 16 2018 20:58 utc | 267

Monsieur FB,
Thanks a lot for all these beautiful videos, especially the first one with Amy flying commanding the geese in their migration….I must confess that when I opened the link, you made me cry…
What a wonderful film! I have not heard about it ever..I will be seeing it next week end, this week I am already exhausted because of lack of sleep…
I was wondering why in the Earth a man who was first so gently and then is able to take the trouble to make up such a collection of links for me would want ot offend me with a gross expression the other day…so I went to search on the net on another meaning of that, and I found this:
To have own knickers in a knot
Now it is me who apologize to you, I hope you can understand that I had no idea of this meanning. My knowledge of English comes only from school, and then public Official Language School, but I had never been for enough time in an English speaking country so as to know street language at all, they did not teach us these kind of expressions at school, and so, I took that at its literal meaning. Moreover, I went to Google Translator, since I could not even believe it ( although quite accustomed to every kind of tabernary language at the “alt-media” ), and it translated as literally as I understood….Anyway, so sorry.
Thus, I wanted to say you that we will continue talking, and also thank you and reassure you.
I can not talk much more today, but I will be posting on week end, I hope….
Meanwhile, I leave you some videos of Txingudi Bay….( we have swans here, black and white, and many other birds too…..)
BAHÍA DE TXINGUDI
Bahía de Txingudi. Marismas del Bidasoa
País Vasco-Basque Country

Posted by: elsi | Jan 17 2018 17:56 utc | 268