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November 19, 2017

Weekly Review And Open Thread 2017-42

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Nov 13 - Yemen - Having Lost The War Saudis Try Genocide - Media Complicit

No progress has been made towards lifting or breaking the total Saudi blockade. There are new rumors of an imminent attack of Saudi proxy forces on the capital Sanaa. All earlier attacks failed miserably.

Nov 14 - Revealed - Saudis Plan To Give Up Palestine - For War On Iran

Has anyone seen other English language sites pick up the Al-Akhbar report? I continue to believe that it is true and important to understand the ongoing issues.

Nov 15 - The Non-Coup Coup In Zimbabwe

A new tick-tock report of the preparations and execution of the non-coup coup is here. China and South Africa were informed and had agreed to an unbloody internal regime change. The U.S. was in the known but not involved. Action was planned for mid December when Mugabe was expected to lift his former mistress "Gucci" Grace into the leading position. It was pushed forward when Mugabe fired his (coup plotting) vice-president.

An unofficial account of the leading party in Zimbabwe tweeted today:

ZANU PF @zanu_pf - 3:49 AM - 19 Nov 2017

We have recalled president Mugabe, he is no longer the president of ZANU PF. May he leave with grace.

Nov 16 - Syria Summary: The Idlib Battle Comes Into Sight

At noon local time today the last ISIS held city, Abu Kamal (aka Albu Kamal, AlBoukamal) in east-Syria, was declared liberated. Remaining ISIS fighters fled northwards across the Euphrates into areas controlled by the U.S. proxy force SDF. They will be relabeled and reused. An unimpeded road drive between Beirut in Lebanon and Tehran in Iran is again possible.

Nov 17 - NATO Adds To Turkey's Chagrin

Erdogan aligned media assert now that the subject of the troublesome NATO exercise in Norway was an attack on Turkey. The issue stays hot.

Nov 18 - Is Satire "Fakenews"? - How Fact-Checkers Peddle Snake-Oil

A fitting New Yorker cartoon on the issue:


Please use the comments as open thread ...

Posted by b on November 19, 2017 at 14:07 UTC | Permalink


Now that the MSMS is looking at Libya, why not looking at the top 1 and top 2 places from where the refugees come from? and the practices in Sudan refugees' camps? Seems that since KSA has been paying big contracts with PR agencies in the main Western capitals, no one writes about Sudan or mentions them as part of the Saudi-led coalition.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 19 2017 14:16 utc | 2

@all -Q: Is the "weekly review" format of value to MoA readers?

Posted by: b | Nov 19 2017 14:22 utc | 3

@b [3]:

It might be a convenience for non-regular readers. For me as a frequent reader, this weekly summary does not add much value to the site.

Thank you, b, for your valuable analyses!

Posted by: Das Kommentariat | Nov 19 2017 14:40 utc | 4

Zim has done the responsible thing. Mugabe was outed as the ZANU PF president and Mnangagwa appointed. This is internal to the party.

Mugabe is still, technically, the president of Zim, but without the Party's support, he is powerless. The party instructed him to resign as president. If he does not, impeachment proceedings will commence in Parliament.

This simply means that ZANU PF is stronger than ever. It is reported that Party members who voted FOR Mugabe will be "recalled."

I am still not very optimistic. ZANU PF is still in power and has demonstrated its control of the military. On the other hand, this is probably the only way to stave off a colour revolution. At least Grace's cabal is toast.

Lesser-of-the-two-evils politics is heartbreaking.

Posted by: E | Nov 19 2017 14:48 utc | 5

It is good to do such a summary, depending on what ppl are using to read MoA and their broadband speed it might spare them some long scrolling down

Posted by: Mina | Nov 19 2017 14:48 utc | 6

@b [3]:

Serves at least two key functions. As a somewhat "directed" open thread, it provides an opportunity for last reflections and comments. And it gives b the opportunity to obtain some well-deserved rest.

Posted by: zakukommander | Nov 19 2017 15:05 utc | 7

Another US Warship collision, this time during a towing exercise?

US warship sustains minor damage after colliding with drifting tug

An American warship has been damaged after a tug boat drifted into the destroyer during a drill off Japan. The guided-missile destroyer, USS Benfold, was in a scheduled towing exercise in Sagami Bay when the Japanese tug lost propulsion. Officials say no one was injured, and the destroyer sustained minimal damage. The US 7th Fleet has been involved in a spate of collisions in Asia this year. Two incidents in June and August killed 17 persons in all. Two more lesser-known incidents left no casualties.


Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 19 2017 15:23 utc | 8

@ B.

It's working perfectly. There is life outside of geopolitics (shock, horror!), so it's good to have anything one may have missed condensed into an 'end of week' summary.

Have really enjoyed your coverage of Zimbabwe. Maybe more articles can be done on *Southern* Africa within the context of China and Uncle Sam and that upcoming confrontation.....?

Stay safe.

Posted by: Skeletor | Nov 19 2017 15:26 utc | 9

@ Posted by: b | Nov 19, 2017 9:22:55 AM | 3

Is the "weekly review" format of value to MoA readers?

I find it to be so, yes.

Posted by: Dubhaltach | Nov 19 2017 16:06 utc | 10

b @3

Yes, it helps connecting the dots in various fronts, especially Abu Kamal finally freed by SAA. Still wondering if SAA able to recover its oilfields now occupied by SDF. Recent events in Lebanon especially direct attacked on Hezbollah make me wonder if Putin sellout Syria for its self interests. Cares to elaborate how SAA recovers its oilfields and territories?


Posted by: OJS | Nov 19 2017 16:22 utc | 11

b, yes on the review and thanks for the continuing openness and regard for your readers and commenters. Best forum = right here.

Posted by: Sid2 | Nov 19 2017 16:26 utc | 12

b, Sorrie to bring out a sensitive subject, cares to express your views on Merkel can she survives the stalemate behind the scene?

Posted by: OJS | Nov 19 2017 16:35 utc | 13

Bulawayo 24 reports that Mugabe has thrown in the towel and will announce his resignation.

The opposition activist view from Zim:

Zimmers tabulating Mugabe's riches:

Posted by: E | Nov 19 2017 16:54 utc | 14

As regards "Yemen - Having Lost The War Saudis Try Genocide."

'Conquest is expensive but extermination is cheap.' I think the late Jerry Pournelle said that.

And on a related issue: you may have heard a lot about Alabama Republican Roy Moore's allegedly dating teenagers when he was younger. But think on this: apparently his opponent is OK with spending trillions of dollars blowing up countries on the other side of the world that don't threaten us and are of zero strategic interest to the United States, and that's OK, not even worth talking about. A typical issue free campaign, that focuses entirely on personality and symbolism, and nothing about what really matters. So that, of course, the people at the top have unfettered ability to control what really matters.

OK, I am going to invoke Godwin's law here: Adolph Hitler was, apparently, personally loyal to Eva Braun, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt cheated on his wife, and Winston Churchill was a sexist pig who harassed women. Who's your daddy?

Posted by: TG | Nov 19 2017 16:58 utc | 15


I think it is valuable if you write follow-ups (as you did above) and not just list the posts.

If you have the time, maybe you could add follow-ups on issues covered prior to the last week also.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2017 16:59 utc | 16

Dear b - definitely useful and appreciated. Thanks for all the work you do to keep us informed and "thinking" - totally grateful for your efforts.

Posted by: ribcluck | Nov 19 2017 17:06 utc | 17

b, I like this format. It refreshes the memory, which is very useful, but more than this it also gives a formal invitation to add comments on a topic whose original thread is probably not being read now - this is especially useful for responding to a good point made towards the end of the thread.

Very good.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 19 2017 17:23 utc | 18

@b - Notwithstanding that I come here and spend a while in the MoA reading room every day, I am finding the weekly digest convenient.

I must say, the quality of the posts here is almost second to none. It is interesting to see the sceptical and envious at other sites such as the vineyard and turcopolier more and more acknowledging MoA and b.

@ all. Thank you for the excellent and useful comments and pointers from a very high proportion of top-quality commenters here too. Special tip of the hat to commenter james for reminding us about civility.

Posted by: pietra | Nov 19 2017 17:29 utc | 19

@19 We can add Naked Capitalism to the list of topnotch sites citing b's fine analyses.

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 19 2017 17:39 utc | 20

I appreciate these posts for two reasons: 1) the review (it helps to see the information again), and 2) the open thread, which for example allows mina and Laura to update us with news. Thank you, b, for your excellent coverage and analysis.

Posted by: Robert | Nov 19 2017 17:47 utc | 21

b, great site, great work and enjoy (except the trolls, of course) commentary. I too, also find the weekly digest useful as it helps to go back and learn a thing or two from this fine saloon...

Posted by: gd_radical | Nov 19 2017 17:49 utc | 22

ACDC's Malcolm Young dies.RIP.The world's greatest band.Damn.This is news,b,on open thread.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 19 2017 17:59 utc | 23

Apart from that, Morocco exports food

Posted by: Mina | Nov 19 2017 19:03 utc | 24

"They peddle absolute truth when, thankfully, none exists."

Your articles and many of the comments give plenty of food for thought b.
This post by E at the Zimbabwe thread - zimbabwe.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b7c934ca1e970b - put into words something I had breifly glimpsed in the bit of time I spent with aboriginal people who had not lost their culture.

Much of modern politics seems to be around what type of social structure we use, with many to choose from. None seem to last very long.

Looking up rock art history, it seem the aboriginal social structure/culture stood them in good stead for ten thousand years or more.
At one point in the rock art sequence, it abruptly changes from finely detailed art back what is described as little more than roughly daubed finger painting that evolved over a long period of time through to the current day.
The abrupt change is thought to have coincided with then end of the last glacial maximum when sea levels rose abruptly.
Another thing in this abrupt change is that all paintings prior depicted the natural world, whereas paintings after this point began to display superstition/spirts ect.
Current oral history goes back to about this point in time.
I suspect that many of the oral histories from around the world - myths, legends, old testament - go back to this point in time when there was an abrupt rise in sea levels causing huge disruptions in the civilizations of the day and bringing in a dark age when much technology and other advances were lost.
The monolithic stone architecture that appears in places around the world, from south america to easter island to mediteranean - from what i have looked into in the past, it seems the know how on working monolithic stone is one of the technologies that was lost at this point.
The reason I say tech is the drilled holes that appear in some of the stonework - from small precisely drilled holes that apear in south america to larger diameter holes that clealy show a tool like a core drill was used.

Looking at the way the US west is currently disintergrating, a new dark age may soon be upon some of us?

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 19 2017 19:15 utc | 25

@b Thanks, good idea.

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Nov 19 2017 19:15 utc | 26

So the old goat still refuses to resign. They cannot kill him now. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.

On the other side of the world: Sputnik reports that Cambodia is also heading for stormy weather:

I do not know a blue thing about Cambodia. Perhaps one of the barflies has some insight?

It does seem to me as if Trump is showing the ugly face that Obama could camouflage with pretty speeches. It has, it seems to me, become “acceptable” either to tell the U.S. to go fly a kite, or to turn up the nose genteelly.

Something has to give.

Posted by: E | Nov 19 2017 20:47 utc | 27

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Nov 19, 2017 2:15:18 PM | 25

Peter, during the European "Dark Ages" the rest of the world chugged along quite comfortably. ;-)

I listened to a talk the other day (I will look for it if you are interested) in which a very good case was made for climate change being one of the reasons why the Barbarian tribes infiltrated the Roman Empire. Your hypothesis cannot be rejected out of hand.

In Sub-Saharan Africa, the social structure had only one goal: Survival.

Posted by: E | Nov 19 2017 20:59 utc | 28

Now you guys are just like professional deflectors of attention.

The big thing to talk about now is whether Lord Jacob Rothschild was killed in that heli crash over his estate.This is allegedly the second main funder of the New World Order. Trump according to Q started with an attack on the Saudi funders of terrorism and war and will supposedly go after the Rothschilds who promote the NWO and then the Soros funders of leftism. Then the Bushes will be asked to cough up control of the cartels. We know the Saudi stuff is happening but is it really possible for the US military to go after the Rothschilds on European soil?

This is why I would tune into MoonofAlabama. I don't believe Trump wants war with Iran which isn't info globalism and the NWO.

Posted by: B Logical | Nov 19 2017 21:07 utc | 29

Curious that views of MbS across alternate media range from incompetent to masterful re-designer in league with neocons to destroy the petro dollar (the latter at Information Clearing House in the last few days but now I can't find it). Wondering at views here MofA.

In my view MbS vastly lacks credibility not just due to Trump's saying "he knows what he's doing" as recommendation. Contradictions abound. As to his "purging" and "modernizing," note as part of his program prison 5 - 10 years for anything that insults the old king or himself and his half billion dollar personal yacht. I read that people imprisoned at The Ritz-Carlton are sleeping on the floor and 17 have been hospitalized. A war with Lebanon and on to Iran is evidently best if conducted down to the last Israeli. Maybe somebody can link me to a good MofA discussion on these and similar matters.

This from last Monday I thought very good:

It’s not about corruption; an account of the various clans; thorough

“ . . . the events of November 4 are only the beginning of an open struggle at the foot of the Saudi throne”

Posted by: Sid2 | Nov 19 2017 21:12 utc | 30


Abstract.We find that lower rainfall in north-central Europe (Gaul/Germania) predicts more assassinations of Roman emperors from 27 BC to 476 AD. Due to agricultural pressures on Germanic tribes, low precipitation caused more barbarian raids. These raids, in turn, weakened the Empire’s overall political stability, and reduced the costs of assassinating an emperor. We buttress our empirical analysis with case study evidence.

I remember one very old theory of one Germanic tribe in the north having a bad harvest forcing them to move south and rob anothers tribe's harvest, which took them all in the end to Rome.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 19 2017 21:33 utc | 31

TG@15 Couple of quotes from Winston Churchill...
In 1946 Churchill really did meet Bessie Braddock, a plump Labour MP and Tory-hater, who told him: "Winston, you are drunk."
"Madam," he replied, "you are ugly, and I will be sober in the morning."
This was alleged to have been said to Lady Astor.
When Nancy Astor, Britain's first female MP, told Sir Winston Churchill that: "If I were your wife I would put poison in your coffee," Churchill famously replied: "Nancy, if I were your husband I would drink it."

Posted by: harrylaw | Nov 19 2017 21:52 utc | 32

Reports in Arabic a little more than 8 hours ago that MbS's motorcade was attacked, as posted by Muslim Dude at SyrPers, but without any links; so, it may or may not be real.

Here we have an article published yesterday whose title reflects its content: "Revelations of a High-Profile Qatari Official Reveal a Wider anti-Syria Conspiracy,"

An excerpt:

"According to Hamad Bin Jassim, Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri played a major role in fomenting the Syrian conflict with an extensive support of a number of pro-Saudi Lebanese officials. In addition, the former Qatari Prime Minister mentioned the role that Iraqi Kurds played in the formenting of the so-called Syrian “civil war”, especially Massoud Barzani. At the conclusion of the interview, he announced that his government played a big role in the destruction of Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen, while acting on Washington’s behalf."

However, the article's lead sentence states, "A few days ago, former Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Qatar Hamad Bin Jassim in an interview with the BBC announced that his country had been providing all sorts of assistance to the armed opposition groups in Syria through Turkey for years," yet I went to BBC's website to try and find the interview using its search engine only to find nothing. Did BBC scrub it already due to its explosive content? I went to ICH hoping Tom had captured it, but didn't find it there. Both Yandex and Google come up empty. Anybody archive it?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2017 21:58 utc | 33

Aloha b!

For those who are not able to visit during the week, this weekly review is very helpful. Especially to read about topics that would otherwise go unnoticed. As You know, this is a fast paced world and those working in the cotton fields have a many times only Sunday left to inform themselves. In my case, yes, I love it and appreciate it.
What I would not mind though, is to make the weekly review a link like "Weekly Review Here". Then, those who have been following throughout the week won't perceive it as 'regurgitation'. Your service to Humanity is tremendous and I firmly believe that MoA could also offer an alphabetically sorted link library consisting of previous articles. Even though I am aware that it would entail additional efforts.
Thank You from Hawai'i, or as we say here Mahalo nui loa!

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 19 2017 22:13 utc | 34

Yep, Hariri is one of those who said Asad must go and will end up leaving before him. Maybe his scalp was wanted for that too.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 19 2017 22:29 utc | 35

@25 Peter AU

Looking at the way the US west is currently disintergrating, a new dark age may soon be upon some of us?

With the greater West in serious denial about its decline and the neoliberal sized hole it is digging for itself things could get very grim indeed in some quarters. Add to that climate change beginning to bite as we continue to pretend it's not really happening, or hope some tech 'genius' invents an app that will save us at the 11th hour, and it seems almost certain that large swathes of Earth, if not the entire planet, are in for a massive social, political and ecological correction that may well result in massive death and destruction.

In the near future I predict Western governments will become more overtly oppressive at home as the elites become evermore delusional about their inevitable loss of power and status, and the anger and fear of the superfluous population living in a dysfunctional hollowed out society built solely around facilitating the free flow of capital, and enabling the staggering greed of the billionaire class, begins to boil over.

Interesting times ahead.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Nov 19 2017 22:54 utc | 36

The relative 'goodness' of the players in the current Zimbabwean chair shuffle is apparent to very few in Zimbabwe let alone outside, so in lieu of anything better than a hard earned mistrust of global media, and for what it's worth (nothing)I'm backing Mugabe ahead of his former chum Emmerson Mnangagwa who seems to have garnered the support of that global media.
It may be merely an 'anyone but Mugabe' kneejerk, - it certainly seemed that way for the first couple of days when all the englander established media came across as non-committal & confused but now those same forked tongues are solidly backing Emmerson Mnangagwa, you've got to wonder if Emmerson Mnangagwa has cut a deal with overseas 'investors' - we cannot know from this distance, but given Emmerson Mnangagwa appears to be a particularly canny political operator who has surrounded himself with other politickers in the military and Zanu-PF ruling party, one cannot help but wonder at the lengths Emmerson Mnangagwa is prepared to go to in order to grab a firm hold on the brass ring.

Plus I loved Mr Mugabe's act a few hours ago, a 92 year old man determined not to give in, but smart enough to provide avenues of retreat for his political opponents.
He gave the opportunists an out by reading off their prepared speech which was full of the usual praise for senior military and party officials, whilst skipping past the bits which referred to his resignation - on live TV, possibly without having had a chance to read his resignation speech first.
The looks of exasperation and anger on the faces of those around his made listening to the stream of cliches worth the effort.

The issues Zimbabwe confronts are similar to those confronted by environments under threat from potential destroyers. Every time an attempt to destroy an environment is stymied, it is a win but only a temporary one because the greedies will come back and they only need to win once - after a place is destroyed there is no comeback, that is it all over.
The same applies to a nation such as Zimbabwe - after the moneylenders are let in the door, the deals are signed and investor-state dispute settlement contracts (which are pretty much mandatory on African investment deals now) there is no way back.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 19 2017 23:00 utc | 37


The name 'Merkel' fell earlier. In the future, this name will be shamed worse than 'Birne' Helmut Kohl. Germany is one of the most important and biggest players on this planet and has been for quite some time. A relatively small country with the economic punch and technological innovation second to none and equal with the much bigger (area and GDP) players that at times send Germany into a war to keep it down. Almost done.

For those who like further insight into what is unfolding (a tragedy) in Germany, there are a few sites that are worth looking at. They are 100% reader funded and as independent as alternative media can get.

In order to make the content available to readers of MoA that are not well versed in the German language, I offer my services as an interpreter.

Just let me know here.

Noteworthy non-partisan alternative media on the German net (order not related to ranking):

2) KenFM
3) NachDenkSeiten
4) Hinter den Schlagzeilen This is the website of renowned German singer songwriter Konstantin Wecker, whom I had the pleasure to meet a few times when I still resided in the old Europe. A great man with great intellect and integrity. A former member of "Scheibenwischer" - the highest rated political satire show in German history.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 19 2017 23:02 utc | 38

I like the weekly review, b, plus all your other stuff.

Posted by: spudski | Nov 19 2017 23:32 utc | 39

@b... re: weekly summary

I guess it depends on the week...

Sometimes as review is great because a lot of thoughts and directions flow in and out of comments on a daily basis and the weekend is good to get a better feel of what had longer value.

sometimes it is good to get personal reflections from commentators who have actually lived the history/back-story to the events reflected on during the week.

sometimes during the week there is not enough emotional room for the OT posts that commentators would like to put up.

sometimes it is just a slow week.

Thanks though for making a great site accessible for people with deeper and more informed perspectives on the events around us.

Posted by: les7 | Nov 19 2017 23:40 utc | 40

@27 "I do not know a blue thing about Cambodia. Perhaps one of the barflies has some insight?"

Long time since I was in Cambodia but I can tell you that Hun Sen has a firm grip on the place. He is a tough nut and pro-Chinese. They have an election coming up. He usually wins them one way or another. Any Maidan nonsense will be swiftly dealt with.

Posted by: dh | Nov 19 2017 23:54 utc | 41

@3 b.. i think this collection of the threads with a new open thread is good and makes sense..more work for you, but it is appreciated..

i certainly agree with @19 pietras comments directed at the quality of your posts and the many fine comments from so many in an ongoing way too.. thank you!

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2017 0:27 utc | 42

60 Minutes is covering the Yemen humanitarian crisis

South Carolina former governor David Beasley is on 60 minutes talking about Yemen, the famine, etc.
It's quite critical of Saudi Arabia, and 'all parties' for that matter, calls for peace, etc. It's worth a watch

Posted by: aaaa | Nov 20 2017 0:48 utc | 43

nottheonlyone 37

A study of European and esp. German history shows a pattern of 'overreach ' on the part of the German speaking peoples . T his has geographical causes - being essentially land locked - rather then any overall plan set into play to bring Germany down as such by her neighbours . The economic force of competition between central Europe and her competitors , of course comes into this .
Certainly past and present , Germany has had opportunities for development , peaceful development that, thus far she has failed to achieve in the East .
China as a central trading and technological force and interlocutor with Germany should mean her focus will on Eurasian opportunities in the future.

Posted by: ashley albanese | Nov 20 2017 0:56 utc | 44

Yeah, the new review styles are pretty good b. Enjoying.

Honourable mentions this week ought to go to:

° RT [US] & Sputnik [US] being railroaded into registering in US 'foreign agents' in order to operate as normal. Slippery slope this. Good luck must go to all yank patriots after giving interviews on RT America. Could find yourself on the naughty step for a while for holding an opinion. Land of the free...? No, that's decay you smell.
° Omidyar's The Intercept showing even further true colours, withholding slides of the Snowden cache that show Suadi involvement detailing instructions to 'light up Damascus' on 2nd anniversary on Syrian conflict. Can argue any way you want about what effect this may've had on direction on the war... It just didn't suit the narrative of the day.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 20 2017 0:58 utc | 45

@33 karlof1

Are you thinking of this story: In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War?

This is datelined October 29 and cites an interview with "Qatari TV" on October 25. This included the infamous "hunting prey" quote. His full name is Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr Al Thani, which your story doesn't quote. The name may be why you're drawing a blank.

I read the Alexander Orlov story at journal-neo. He may simply be confused, perhaps, as to sources? It seems unlikely that Al Thani could follow his explosive interview with another one a couple of weeks later - and improbable that Orlov could write this story without any reference to the earlier interview. Orlov may recall seeing the story on bbc, which may well have scrubbed it since. And Orlov is supplying money numbers that don't appear in the ZH story, so he must have it from somewhere. ZeroHedge has a subtitled snippet from the interview, which is 2 hours long on YouTube (in Arabic).

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 20 2017 1:03 utc | 46

b @3:

B Logical @29:
I hope the entire Rothschild clan is wiped off the face the planet. They've been a pox on humanity for far too long now.

" it really possible for the US military to go after the Rothschilds on European soil?"
Absolutely. I don't see why not.

Posted by: Ian | Nov 20 2017 1:18 utc | 47

#35 Mina

re Hariri - Pepe Escobar has a short breakdown of the recent drama on his Facebook page, posted about 9 hours ago: HARIRI DOES PARIS - THE TRUE STORY

That link should work without needing to be a part of Facebook. But to save the trip, perhaps I could quote Escobar in full here. He's distilling this from NYT it seems, but it's lots more fun in Pepe-speak:

It’s not that Saad Hariri was itching for a shopping spree at Avenue Montaigne.

French MSM is spicing up the steak tartare to oblivion trying to spin a foreign policy “victory”. Nonsense.

The true story starts in Abu Dhabi when Sun King Macron was having dinner with all-powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed (MBZ) during the inauguration of the Louvre in the Sands (doesn’t it sound like a casino?)

What happened is that MBZ grabbed his mobile and secured a meeting between Macron and MBS for the day after. Easy; after all MBZ is MBS’s mentor – and de facto chief strategist.

Macron’s people had been trying FOR WEEKS to get a meeting with MBS. Zayed did it with one single phone call.

Afterwards, MBS threw a breadcrumb to the begging Macron; OK, you can meet Hariri and even take him away. But under certain conditions; French Minister Le Drian had to publicly scold Iran – which he did; and on top of it Le Drian cancelled his trip to Tehran next week to prepare the terrain for Macron’s own visit.

Talk about “French power”.

Additionally, Hariri WAS indeed kidnapped and under house arrest in Riyadh – as many of us reported.

He even begged for asylum in Amman, Jordan. Denied – because the Jordanians are essentially Saudi vassals.

The New York Times BURIED the info at the end of this piece:…/middleeast/hariri-france-saudi-le…

“Mr. Hariri reached out to Jordan with a request to go to Amman as a safe haven, a Western official said. The request was denied, the official said, because the Saudis had pressured Jordan not to accept him. A spokeswoman at the Embassy of Jordan in Washington denied that such a request had been made.”

Who the hell wants exile in the land of King Playstation? Hariri at least is drinking good Margaux.

And the MBS Lebanon power play is an absolute, resounding fiasco.


Meanwhile Fort Russ is reporting that Hariri will go to Egypt tomorrow, then Kuwait, and home to Lebanon in time for Independence Day on Wednesday, when he promises to explain the whole thing. If ever a man had some explaining to do...

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 20 2017 1:24 utc | 48

Merkel’s last days? Coalition talks collapse in Berlin

"...Beyond this it seems that there are real concerns within the ruling CDU/CSU that as things stand a second election would merely result in a further increase in the vote of the right wing AfD, whose vote surge in the September election came mainly at the expense of the CDU/CSU....."

"....If so then it is not inconceivable that Merkel could be asked to go, in which case she may be in her last weeks as Chancellor. "

Posted by: OJS | Nov 20 2017 1:55 utc | 49

b @ 3:

Thumbs up to the new Open Thread format!

Thanks B for continuing to provide important news and analysis, and thanks to regular MoA commenters for insightful thoughts and opinions.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 20 2017 2:01 utc | 50

@47 grieved.. i don't think hariri has an explaining to do... all the egg is on the saudi clown prince's face for anyone watching..

here's elijah j m's post on lebanon from yesterday... “Hezbollah has Stopped the Flow of Arms From Syria to Lebanon”

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2017 2:05 utc | 51

Thanks for asking for feedback about the MoA Open Thread evolution.

I agree with the values as expressed by most other commenters by have a thought or two.

This has you having one Open Thread per week that include listing and summary/updates of your postings for the week which I see as great for follow on of ongoing issues. What I see happening is that these discussions falloff as the week progresses and it seems to be ending the Open Thread use; at least by later in the week.

I like Open Threads for sharing all the rest of the parts of the merry-go-round we are on the b happens to not cover, but is related. I believe that if there is a current one viable then there is less OT stuff in other posting threads.

Just suggesting, but I would do both the weekly summary/updates and separate Open Threads (maybe even two a week).

My $0.02 because you asked but please understand that your content is what folks come here for and for which you are honored me and others.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2017 2:48 utc | 52

Anyone heard about 1400+ sealed inditements currently sitting with the DOJ? That google drive link gives case numbers and appointed judges and in some instances, the serial numbers of specific laptops. 99 in Northern California alone.

Someone is posting on 4chan under the name of Q and claims to be inside the WH, and is using the phrase Alice and Wonderland.

Posted by: TSP | Nov 20 2017 2:51 utc | 53

@ashley albanese | Nov 19, 2017 7:56:27 PM | 43

It is quite a complicated history, based on the National character the Germans are known for for quite some time.

When You say 'landlocked' though, that is not the case. While they are surrounded by a number of diverse Nations in central Europe, they do have three very big port towns (Hansestädte Hamburg and Bremerhaven as well as Kiel at the Baltic sea) that were utilized for their expansive trading throughout its history.
The problem with Germany was and is its co-dependency with the US after WWII. My family goes back a very long time and there is still some first hand knowledge about the more recent time from WWI on.
It is not clear who actually was in control of Germany during the Weimar Republic, but it was this time that laid the tracks for Germany's future, culminating in the present affairs.
Few people are aware that there was a coup d'etat in Germany in 1982 that led to the overthrow of the Helmut Schmidt (SPD) government based on the fact, that the Schmidt government rejected the "NATO-Doppelbeschluss", that demanded the deployment of U.S. nuclear missiles on German soil.
The sixteen years following under Birne Kohl were the most detrimental to lower middle class and low income people. Social services were reduced and a privatization frenzy began that peaked in the so called 'Reunification' of East- with West-Germany. The end of the Kohl era catapulted the first red/green coalition to Bonn, which at the time was still the capitol of Germany.
While the Germans had hoped to regain some of the previously dismantled social services, red/green created "Agenda 21" to ultimately funnel monies away from the common wealth towards multinational corporations. Since at least ten years now, Germany has no longer a rightful government. Against the will of the people, 'great coalitions' are formed that (like in the U.S. the unholy bi-partisan fleecing of the public coffers) had devastating consequences for those at the bottom of the pyramid.
Merkel (also called "Kohl's extramarital child") has also been kept in power now for a dozen years in order to implement the grander Atlanticists and globalists agenda. The Germans hate this person and only the bankers and the establishment love her for her despicable spinelessness in regards to the wellbeing of the German people. If you ask anybody in the streets, nobody voted for her, yet, she still remains glued to the chancellor chair in spite of a wooden chair in a prison cell.
It is safe to sat that the Germans had as much to say in their last selections, as did the Americans that were served Trump. Merkel is like a fusion between Clinton and Trump. Remember how quick she back peddled after having railed against Trump in the first weeks of his installment.
A lot has happened since 1648 and my ancestors - one generation after the other - had to witness how their country was either mismanaged, lead to war, or experienced economic hardship. Much like in the U.S., only the rich do well.

What to do if You can't rid Yourself of those who make Your existence all but painfully arduous and next to impossible?

In order to pay for the people Merkel encouraged to come to Germany, pensioners will now have to pay 50% income tax on their retirement checks - money they already paid taxes for when they received their paycheck. Social welfare has further cut and a German above 50 years of age won't get a job anymore, funneling the unemployed into "Harz IV", the newspeak for welfare. People are given ~ €640 from which they have to pay housing and everything else.

The fuse to the powder keg is already lit. So called 'refugees', (the Germans on the street welcome those, whose Nations have been bombed into smithereens by the U.S. and NATO, but reject young African men -never young women-) that appear always with the newest iPhone and well dressed, receive allowance, free healthcare, free housing and free transportation. My 85 and 83 year old parents who helped rebuilt Germany after the war have to pay for these things.

Call it 'Karma', but the suffering and pain the Germans have dished out since the beginning of the last century is homing in like a boomerang. Anybody who wonders why a large segment of Germans turns to Neo-Nazism for no other reason that being fed up with any of the establishment parties that sold them out to the highest bidder.

New 'Fake-News' laws are implemented to prevent the truth from reaching the masses. A refugee family of seven, will receive € 1000 per child and parents plus housing. Germans get € 150 per child. This is not to endorse the tilt to the far right, but only to explain why this tilt exists. A far right slide that was designed to take place.

If people knew how close Germany is to a civil war (the people versus their legislative and executive oppressors), they would understand that this will serve to end public participation in a formerly so called open and free Democracy.

Last but not least, please do not rely on my words, since I am of course not impartial in these matters. I love my parents and larger family members and am appalled what is happening in Germany based on their reports. The above links I posted will verify what I just wrote.

As to appearances, they are always deceiving. That includes the appearance of a Nation.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 20 2017 3:00 utc | 54

b @ 3: Yep,good way to catch up, thanks b...

Posted by: ben | Nov 20 2017 3:25 utc | 55

Yes the weekly review is a good idea. Inspired me to attempt to identify the time frame when the U.S. gave up on its effort to draw Syria into the Israeli-Saudi axis and went for regime change instead (see karlofi 33 too). Here's a bit of what I came up with:

Syria intervention timeline

1 April 2010 CBS
John Kerry holds talks with Assad . . . Washington's ties with Damascus have been strained by Syria's three-decade alliance with Iran.

4 May 2010 BBC
Barak Obama renews US-Syria sanctions . . . In a statement, he said Syria "continues to pose... an extraordinary threat" to US security and policy.

17 April 2011 Washington Post
Wikileaks cables show U.S. financial support for anti-Assad groups dating to 2006 and continuing through 2010 (and onwards).

11 August 2011 NYT
Obama calls for Assad to step down from power. . .Obama ordered the freezing of all Syrian assets within American jurisdiction, banned imports of Syrian oil and barred American citizens from having any business dealings with the Syrian government, which the administration once courted in the hopes of improving relations.

21 June 2012 NYT
CIA said to aid in delivering arms to Syrian opposition groups . . . A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

1 August 2012 Reuters
Obama reported to have authorized secret U.S. support for Syrian rebels . . . Precisely when Obama signed the secret intelligence authorization, an action not previously reported, could not be determined. The full extent of clandestine support that agencies like the CIA might be providing also is unclear. . . Recent news reports from the region have suggested that the influence and numbers of Islamist militants, some of them connected to al Qaeda or its affiliates, have been growing among Assad’s opponents.

12 October 2012 Source? I forgot it... search turned up this:
(Funny how about the only reliable source at the Intercept is Greenwald, mostly. . . Think it was NYT originally?)
Arms flow to jihadists in Syria . . . Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists . . . That conclusion, of which President Obama and other senior officials are aware from classified assessments of the Syrian conflict that has now claimed more than 25,000 lives, casts into doubt whether the White House’s strategy of minimal and indirect intervention in the Syrian conflict is accomplishing its intended purpose of helping a democratic-minded opposition topple an oppressive government, or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.

5 December 2012 Reuters?
NATO sends Patriot missiles to TurkeySyria border, Obama tells world Syria has chemical weapons . . . On Monday US president Barack Obama told Mr Assad not to use chemical weapons, without saying how the United States might respond.(Setup for false flag sarin?)
The Foreign Ministry in Damascus said it would never use such weapons against Syrians.

I'd rather have access to the State Department cables from 2010-present, than these more unreliable media reports, come on, where's Chelsea Manning 2.0?

Posted by: nonsense factory | Nov 20 2017 3:30 utc | 56

Everything you ever wanted to know about Hezbollah;

Posted by: V. Arnold | Nov 20 2017 3:37 utc | 57

somebody | Nov 19, 2017 4:33:01 PM | 31



Posted by: E | Nov 20 2017 4:46 utc | 58

@3 b Very good idea since it is recurring it becomes reliable and not just a « think I’ll do an open thread now » moment..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 20 2017 4:58 utc | 59

@35 The Assad curse keeps on keeping on..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 20 2017 4:58 utc | 60

I think this represents an interesting challenge for our society and especially the hypocrisy of the Groper in Chief not being prosecuted while in office....

Groping for Manhood by Robert Lipsyte at TomDispatch

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2017 7:08 utc | 61

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 19, 2017 10:00:55 PM | 53

My impression is somewhat different. Germans may be "oppressed by the current party system", but overall, they were allowed to expressed wide bewilderment and opt for several mutually exclusive directions for change. Most puzzling is the success of FDP under a sleek new leader, Lindner, who "boldly" avoids any position on immigration, and stressing economic development with ideas like keeping most polluting coal plants (there is some sense there, although I would re-open nuclear plants and close those polluting dinosaurs), abolishing the minimum wage (??) and creating wage caps (in the name of economic freedom?!), flat tax (??) and forcing the citizens to invest in stock market through regulating pension plans (another strike for economic freedom). I would rather have Merkel, wishy-washy "free marketeer" that she is. Overall, Lindner seems a perfect candidate for voters with a strong masochistic streak, apparently a wide constituency.

Greens are apparently another weird package of ideas, bold on immigration (yea!) and agnostic on economy and perhaps on foreign policy as well. The latter are not mentioned as an issue in forming a coalition, to me it indicates a consensus for sheepish following of American policies, be it Obama or Trump. Merkel offered some objections after a few beers, but unfortunaly, she stays sober most of the time.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 20 2017 7:56 utc | 62

notheonly1 @53
The problem with Germany does not differ that much from most other advanced industrial countries, and its name is TINA, there is no alternative. This is enough of a drama because it is paralyzing any efforts to meet the actual worldwide historic challenges (having been produced by the very same Western elites which are in their final crisis by now). There is no need for exaggerations as "a large segment of Germans turns to Neo-Nazism" (sorry, no, not even a small segment does that, and the AFD ist just a right populist party at level with, let's say moderate Republicans) or "civil war", there is not even the least sign for that. The Germans are deep split in terms of political culture and values, maybe more shifted to the left compared to the US, but in principle it is the same as all over the Western world. Maybe that is the reason why German readers of MA are tacit about the country because there is no particular development to report on.

@b I find this weekly list very helpful.

Posted by: franziska | Nov 20 2017 8:42 utc | 63

Posted by: b | Nov 19, 2017 9:22:55 AM | 3

I like it....keep it....

Posted by: notlurking | Nov 20 2017 13:46 utc | 64

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 19, 2017 9:48:08 PM | 51

Yeah, when i discovered MofA a couple of years ago I really enjoyed what the simpler Open Threads offered, probably because i had a lot more time back then to venture down the rabbit hole of the myriad of topics the commentariat threw out. Though, since that idle time evaporated somewhat, I dont mind the new 'summary' Open Threads where you can drop in and run the eye over the week at MofA in quick time. And I do like that issue can be revisited after a period, which is the opposite of the MSM of this day which can build an issue up into a frenzy then go on to totally cast it into the void in the next moment.

Maybe a fortnightly 'Summary' Open Thread covering 2 weeks is an option. With the basic Open Thread filling in every other week. I do remember some of the basic Open Threads could tick over into the weeks at times depending on the topic.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 20 2017 14:56 utc | 65

@58 -- lol! ... did Merkel utter the accursed phrase as well?
Looks like she's now camping in the departure lounge.

Posted by: x | Nov 20 2017 15:43 utc | 66

Grieved @45 & 47--

Yes, thanks, I finally stumbled upon a transcript, but it was that Zerohedge article I recalled. Thanks much for the link!

The entire Hariri Dance has become comedy of the finest sort once one discovers the music being played! Thanks for posting Pepe's interpretation. Tom at ICH also republished his Facebook entry,

Meanwhile, an Italian investment expert had this to say about Russia:

"The economic data for Russia speaks for itself: inflation is at 2.6%, GDP has grown by 1.7%. No one expected such indicators, and this speaks to a positive dynamic. To this one can add Russia's political stability. Where else can you find a country that's more stable than Russia? Today, Russia has the ideal conditions for investment."

I don't think that was what the West's assault on Russia was hoping to accomplish. What an epic fail!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2017 16:10 utc | 67

Today, Russia has the ideal conditions for investment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20, 2017 11:10:43 AM | 65

Russia is definitely not a paradise, and 1.7% growth is not exactly "stellar". However, this growth occurs concurrently with restructuring the economy and without population growth (population is stable). One has to acknowledge some successes that point to (a) limited value of economical integration with the West, most of all, "financial services", Russia has to generate the necessary credit herself, (b) quite competent leadership, Putin's popularity number do not stem solely from propaganda and idiocy of the population.

One tidbit. New York Times just now has decently reported story about NYC subway system that slid to the last place in the world in reliability, when compared with subway systems of large cities. Behind Mexico City that is second last. On positive side, 2/3 of train rides reach destinations on time. On negative, passengers routinely loose HOURS, miss work, crucial interviews etc. So I searched the web for info about Moscow Metro because NYT omitted it from the comparison table. Just recently Moscow Metropoliten reported a decrease of train delays by 30%, from 30 to 23 in the last year. Frequency 10 times smaller than in Paris, meaning, 0.2% of train rides are delayed. Also, the length of the system is increasing by 10% in every decade, lines are extended, new lines recently added -- like a new ring line with 40 mile length. Trains, ticketing etc. are modernized. The speeds correspond roughly to NYC express trains, stations are about 2 miles apart, bus lines exist to connect the stations with homes and businesses (like 500 of bus lines?). Metro is highly recommended by Trip Advisor website -- should it be added to the list of "fake news" sites? Cheap, reliable, during rush hour it is very crowded, but when tested at those times, three times faster than cars.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 20 2017 16:46 utc | 68

Thanks James for Pepe;
Yes I believe the Egytian revo was hijacked.
French MSM are now playing Saudis and Bahreini's statements at the AL summit with no word on Yemen except to say that Hezbollah is active there... Puke.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 20 2017 17:38 utc | 69

@65 karlof1 I am a big fan of Escobar’s thoughts, does he use twitter? Cant find his handle and am fed up with the FB thought policing.. txs.

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 20 2017 17:38 utc | 70

To support my prior post:

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 20 2017 17:47 utc | 71


On Southfront..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 20 2017 18:01 utc | 72

Lozion @68--

As far as I can tell, Pepe doesn't have an active Twitter account, although there are several accounts using his name that are currently suspended. I don't follow him on FB for same reason as you. Fortunately, ICH, The Saker and other sites often republish his FB writings. I second your recommendation of the South Front article, "Italia’s Channel 5 has released a documentary, which reveals the truth about the Euromaidan 'snipers' incident in 2014," which can be seen here with English subs, Who knows how long it will survive on YouTube. Unfortunately, the original video in Italian was posted to FB and cannot be seen unless you're logged into FB. For those who've closely followed that entire affair, most is old news. I hope it will contribute more weight to the fragile EU camel's back and hasten its demise, which Tusk has recently helped along,

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2017 19:02 utc | 73

Meanwhile, the lurid sexcapades of WJ Clinton are in the news again,

Another dog that didn't bark is the current Republican dominated US Congress which has had almost a full year to launch an in-depth, no holds barred investigation into their supposed political arch enemies--The Clintons--and the same could be said of the executive, although Trump has called HRC's behavior criminal on numerous occasions. I could add a few other of the Duran's items, particularly the newest one about Russia and Putin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2017 19:10 utc | 74

Re: the "Is Satire FakeNews?" thread...

I wanted to compliment b on his inspired decision to draw a parallel between the MSM's FakeNews entanglements and Cosmology's FakeNews entanglements with Dark Matter, Dark Energy and Quantum Physics.
And Schrödinger's cat was a subtly unsubtle way to get there.

There's a satirical BBC doco narrated by David Michell, a Would I Lie You team leader, called In Search Of The Dark. The doco attempts to uncover, and clarify, some facts about Dark Matter.

The Dark Matter concept was invented to explain the 'mysterious' behaviour of stars in the Andromeda Galaxy (the galaxy closest to Earth). A DM disciple and expert draws a 2-axis graph in the dust on hood of a red pickup to illustrate a factoid about the planets in our Solar System. According to him, the SPEED of the planets closest to the Sun is higher than the speed of the planets farther out. He uses a 2-axis graph to plot a smooth Distance <> Velocity curve on the graph descending smoothly from Top Left to Bottom Right. This shows that the farther a planet is from the Sun, then the lower its orbital speed.

Based on this info, he asserts the 'knowledge' that the stars in a galaxy orbit the centre of the galaxy at the same speed, regardless of the distance from the centre. He then illustrates this on his Solar System graph by plotting the Distance <> Velocity curve for stars as a straight line across the top of the graph parallel to the horizontal axis.

This graph appears in many docos and forms the basis of the search for the Missing Mass in galaxies which would help explain the purported orbital behaviour of Stars.

However, Dark Matter's Founding Theory is only a little bit right.
I was as mystified by this behaviour as the experts and dug up my atlas to get the Solar System's vital statistics and do my own orbital speed calculations for the planets.
The result is as follows:
(The 1st number is orbit radius. The 2nd number is orbit velocity. The days are Earth days)

Mercury 58.3 Million Km > 4.16 Million Km/day
Venus 107.7 Million Km > 3.01 Million Km/day
Earth 149.6 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Mars 227.4 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Jupiter 777.9 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Saturn 1427.2 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Uranus 2869.3 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Neptune 4497.0 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day
Pluto 5964.6 Million Km > 2.57 Million Km/day

If the foregoing is correct, then a more sensible question than "What Is Dark Matter?" might be "How come Mercury and Venus orbit the Sun at a higher speed than all of the outer planets?"
Another question begged by the orbital inconsistencies of Mercury and Venus is "Can the citizens of countries tricked (by The Swamp) into joining NATO get a refund from AmeriKKKa for the money wasted on the Large Hadron Unicorn?"

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 20 2017 19:41 utc | 75

@ 71 After watching the Italian program you linked to I can sort of understand how Saakachvili got to be governor of Odessa province (or mayor of Odessa?). He had his military help overthrow Yankovych while Victoria Nuland of the US State Department walked around handing out cookies to the protestors. Two hyper neocons of Georgia and the US.

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 20 2017 19:47 utc | 76

Breaking: Google will ‘de-rank’ RT articles to make them harder to find – Eric Schmidt

Posted by: Google=propaganda | Nov 20 2017 20:20 utc | 77

google - you tube, twitter, facebook... all working for the evil empire... no surprise there..

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2017 20:29 utc | 78

Posted by: Google=propaganda | Nov 20, 2017 3:20:41 PM | 75

Google News is mediocre. For example, if there is a story that happened in Turkey, it will lists a bunch of American newspapers with exactly same Reuters' version, but as a rule, no English version of Turkish newspaper, and the same for other countries. The same for Lebanon etc. I dimly recall that it used to be better, perhaps rather than a "blacklist" they used relatively short "white list". For Israel, Mondoweiss can be among the hits, but not +972. I do not recall any non-mainstream link apart from Mondoweiss, but my interests are rather narrow.

Clogging the list of hits with multiple copies of the same text is something that can be automatically avoided so they have no excuse (not even their propaganda goals, if any). Corporations get power that can be used for good and evil, and since they are not operated by angels, one should use them with caution. Twitter seems to be impartial and tweets have links.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 20 2017 20:39 utc | 79

OTOH, Twitter does not handle multiple copies of the same tweet either, and is easily manipulated by organized clones/trolls that make it hard to see the stories they do not like. Taqfiris field an impressive number of trolls.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 20 2017 20:42 utc | 80


Indeed, not sure why I am surprised,

Stolen emails reveal a tight relationship between Google's Eric Schmidt and the Clintons

Posted by: Google=propaganda | Nov 20 2017 21:02 utc | 81

Posted by: ashley albanese | Nov 19, 2017 7:56:27 PM | 43

Germany being landlocked is news to me. Have you ever been to Hamburg?

Posted by: somebody | Nov 20 2017 21:55 utc | 82

Awhile ago, Pepe's article about Saudi included a brief expose about the massive, annual pilgrimage of Arbaeen which occurs in Karbala, Iraq. The Duran has published a somewhat more extensive article to inform its readers that this pilgrimage is the largest in the world, "An excess of 14 million men, women, and children gathered this November in the holy city of Karbala (Iraq) to mark Islam’s other pilgrimage--the largest to ever have taken place in History … and yet we seldom discuss it." 10 million more than the Hajj to Mecca, now the symbol of religious intolerance on par with Jerusalem.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2017 21:58 utc | 83

@b #3...I agree with psych #51. A 'recap' thread and a traditional open thread would be good. A less directed open thread tends to stir the pot and bring new topics in.

The review thread is nice, though. Please continue!

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Nov 20 2017 23:24 utc | 84

@Piotr Berman | Nov 20, 2017 2:56:11 AM | 60

It is a huge mess. Like You said, the FDP after piglet Genscher passed away embarked on a wild ride that ended in getting booted from the federal government and only appear in a few individual states thereafter. That it is rising from the dead like a Zombie shows just how desperate the Germans have become.

Corruption is rampant in Germany and the consequences are devastating. The German 99% are as much at the receiving end of the establishment's stick as in other countries. The main difference is, that we do not know what a collapsing U.S. empire will entail, but we do know what happened after the German empire came crushing down.

It must also be stated that a very large number of people will be able to vote soon. A factor that has never been investigated. But if You believe that there is not a majority of Germans that want it to stop (the mess) and that they are increasingly aware that the establishment parties (three - CDU/CSU, FDP, SPD from 1948 on and four to include the Green party from the late 70's on) have been 'on it' since over 60 years and have not done what they were supposed to do: to improve the lives of all Germans. The power pyramid is solid in Germany. Those at the bottom have no influence, no lobbyists that speak for them, just like in other countries, where corporations have taken over.

Germany did not need the TPP version for Europe, they already have legislation that follows the wishes of the corporate masters. Speaking about Germany means now also to speak about the re-unification. Sometimes it appears as if foreign observers completely ignore the composition of the former GDR. East Germany has been nicely shafted by the powers that were and are. People there are still pissed 28 years after the wall came down. 28 years is a long time IMO, a long time to have not fully integrated the Eastern brothers and sisters.

What happens now is also the result of the Kohl, Schroeder/Fischer and Merkel era, an era of delusions of grandeur. The move from Bonn to Berlin was unnecessary from a political POV, but had to happen to elevate the National German self-consciousness. Germany had to show that they are 'back'. What was back though, was the rift between those who call the shots, and those who are hit by them. People had nothing to say under the Fuehrer and history repeats itself - they don't have more influence now.

Merkel is a criminal like Nixon. She has misled the Germans, lied to them like American presidents lie to their people. Germany is not doing well. Those who do well, are the industry (the German MIC is really busy), criminal banking, national security/surveillance and the lottery, as more and more people play the lottery in the hopes to get out of their mess.

Seniors going through the garbage cans for food, freezing to death because they are homeless, in spite of having worked their entire lives. The unemployment rate is as high as prior to Adolf coming along. The numbers are tweaked and Harz IV makes it impossible to evaluate just how many people are without a job (the unemployed are pushed out of the unemployment statistics when they slide over into welfare.

Observing all this from the other side of the world gives a different perspective. I grew up in Germany and do not suffer from memory loss. I remember every election since I turned 18 and I also remember whom I voted for.

One could say that the EU thing was the death knell for Germany and forced upon all European states by the Euro/US establishment. It will not continue. The European parliament is a sham and European as well as German politics are made by people nobody elected. They are not elected. They are assigned.

The Bavarian prime minister Seehofer said, that "Those who are elected are not in control and those who are in control are not elected." That ship is now sinking fast. If I would wager a bet, I would say that the coming "German Winter" will be very, very turbulent. Nothing like the Arab Spring. This is Germany, a Nation whose warriors are hard to squish, if not with much greater power as happened by the hands of Russia.

It should also be noted that the present situation is definitely related to the sanctions against Russia imposed by big bully brother America. Without the U.S. control over the German government, the entire Europe (minus the Fascist Baltic and Southeastern states) would engage in trading with Russia. Russia has everything the Europeans need to prosper and in turn, can provide technology and know how to Russia. A win/win situation for Europe, but a drastic loss for the U.S. empire, who is quasi the sole beneficiary of the illegal sanctions against the eastern trading partner. A look back in history makes it clear what happened then and what is happening now. The Nazis were used to attack the Soviet Union in order to prevent the Molotov - Ribbentrop pact to EVER come to fruition. Does anybody have an idea what that would have meant for the U.S. empire? A strong Germany with all the technological breakthroughs of the early 20th century in an alliance with the Soviet Union? A German/Soviet double helix would have spelled the end of the Anglo-American empire. The world would certainly look different today, if not for the worst reason.

Stay tuned to the collapse of Germany. It has had its chance and blew it. Because of greed. Only the rich do better than ever before (see number of Billionaires in Germany now) and those at the bottom are worse of than ever before - with the exception of having been bombed into rubble and to manage to survive then.

Although, my parents generation insists that life was much better right after the war. Peace, the most modest accommodation and essential food with the family were treasured. My family survived on Rabbits. Nobody raises rabbits anymore. People go to ALDI.

Is there any hope? My friends say a resounding NO! Germany has to start all over again, this time with strict checks and balances for those in government, the return of the 'Deutsche Mark' and the downgrading of the European union into an organization to preserve the cultures of Europe.

Note that this is just me, but I know I am not the only one who sees this coming.

@franziska | Nov 20, 2017 3:42:47 AM | 61

No need for exaggeration here. It is not likely that Germany reverses back into a new Nazi Germany. That is not going to happen. Rightfully so, the Germans should not be called Nazis for the attempt to get their Nation back. It is not theirs any longer. That is the problem. For that reason, the tilt to the right takes place - with a little help from big brother in America. To understand what's cooking, one needs to look at the ultra rightwing governments of the new NATO/Euro zone members. This development mirrors itself in the European parliament and in the Brussels bureaucracy that is unelected.

It is Monsanto, Goldman Sachs et al who are in control in Europe. A few people are voicing their dissent about this corporate dictatorship. And no, it is not limited to Germany, but Germany was once before at the center of very detrimental policies and it is this Damocles sword that is dangling over its people.

So, what if they can't form a functioning government quickly? This is Germany, not Zimbabwe, or Kenya. A sliding back into conditions resembling the Weimar Republic is apparent. The big parties are the detriment to the people and the AfD is just the beginning of a renaissance of splinter parties. Maybe it is beneficial this time to have 30 parties in the Reichstag 2.0? Who knows. The situation is worse than the MSM will tell anybody, of course. A revolution is in the making, the revolt against the orders of the Anglo-American empire. More Nations in the Union want to restore trade with Russia. The U.S. has ruined Europe, just like it did before. A strong Europe spells the end for the naked emperor and I doubt that things will ever be the same if it all blows up in their faces.

In order to verify what I originally wrote, please refer to the links I provided. They are a reflection of what is happening in Germany.

Posted by: notheonly1 | Nov 21 2017 3:08 utc | 85

notheonly1 | Nov 20, 2017 10:08:30 PM | 85

„No need for exaggeration here. It is not likely that Germany reverses back into a new Nazi Germany. That is not going to happen. Rightfully so, the Germans should not be called Nazis for the attempt to get their Nation back. It is not theirs any longer.“

Interesting! „It is not theirs any longer“...? I am German and I live in Germany. Shouldn't I have noticed that? That Germany reversesback to a Nazi Germany I do not see, right. What happens is that the old Nazis, the old right try to cook up a new mix and try to use xenophobia as a moving agent. That includes quite some desillusionized old left people as well. The attitude of those people is summarized well in the bizarre convolute of notheonly1. - Another point of view would be this: the Right is in power in Germany since 1848. It led the country into 2 catastrophical events: WWI and WWII. Who would try such a „medicine“ again? It is unlikely that they will get enough adventurers. The quality of the new right leaders is so low that one should not be worried too much about this.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Nov 21 2017 9:08 utc | 86

…by Gordon Duff, Veteren's Today Senior Editor

Both Iran and the United States have repeatedly announced that there are no secret codicils to the 5+1 agreement on Iran’s nuclear program. Both the United States and Iran are lying. A key aspect to the settlement, we have been able to confirm, is an agreement to transfer to the United States certain Iranian plasma energy technologies deemed by NASA and the Department of Defense as “vital to US interests.”

This week a group arrived in Washington to file patents for what they claim is an exact parallel technology to that being offered the US. The group claims they gained control of this technology by infiltrating the Italian based research facilities of the Keshe Foundation using a Bulgarian agent, a young woman, who, using “romantic wiles,” was able to illegally access data key to America’s national survival.

The group, Bulgarians and “Russians,” are carrying around a table top model of a “Casimir Effect” levitation model like you see on YouTube. AIPAC is taking them from meeting to meeting, promising oil industry execs, key congressional leaders and half-educated “research project politicians” that the Iran deal can be scrapped because there is now a “second source.”

Let’s be very clear, this is much more than a move to kill the Iran deal. This is a move to bring down the United States, not just economically, but to leave the US virtually defenseless. All it took was greed, Sheldon Adelson’s cash spent to kill the Iran deal, involvement of AIPAC and the Mossad, the real “Russian” players in this deal and some very corrupt and stupid Americans.

Posted by: Marty McFly Fan Club | Nov 21 2017 20:57 utc | 87

Those of us who work hard to maintain a healthy cycnicism about the motives politicians of whatever stripe rarely find pleasure in discovering their fears are well founded.

Such is the case today when reading Greg Elich's analysis of exactly what has been going down in Zimbabwe.
Elich eschews he said she said rumour style sources and relies on statements from major players as well as fact supported Reuters reports to uncover a plot between Emmerson Mnangagwa and the sellout neoliberal quisling Morgan Tsvangirai that dates back to at least 2015. Reuters obtained hundreds of internal documents from Zimbabwe’s Central Intelligence Organization that revealed this plan.

Even more disturbing is the revelation supported by diverse sources that " that the government could be unelected.” In one report, it was said that Mugabe feared that Mnangagwa would attempt to reverse land reform."

But the worst revelation is that as we discussed a couple of days back, englander imperialists have been involved in this plot.

I had hoped the sudden influx of little englanders into MoA determined to post and enable 4 chan racist trolls was just the piss weak efforts of your standard ignorant freelancers, but now it seems likely that they were in fact Maybot bots. Hubris drove them to push for brexit, and now the chinless tory wonders have belatedly realised that brexit in its current form will cause many englanders to go hungry and maybe even shock, horror, stop voting against their interests, the tories have decided to revert to plan A and steal another nation's resources.

Low scum is the mildest description I can summon for those short arsed little englanders who still imagine there was some sort of glory in deceitfully purloining the resources of Asia, the ME and Africa.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 22 2017 9:17 utc | 88

What is Behind the Military Coup in Zimbabwe

The army was eager to install Mnangagwa as president, and Mugabe was not playing ball. The coup had long been in preparation, and as a leading opposition figure divulged, “a lot of talking was going on” between the army and “different factions to discuss the formation of a transitional government.” Discussions between the army and the opposition had been underway over the last several months.

According to a member of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), the plan by the army to bring the opposition into the government was “a done deal,” and was said to have “tacit agreement from regional powers.”

the jackels are circling -

Western officials are keen to see the transitional government adopt economic policies to their liking. “It’s a transition to a new era for Zimbabwe; that’s really what we’re hoping for,” acting U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Donald Yamamoto said. A European Union spokesperson announced that the EU is “committed to support Zimbabwe in the preparation of credible elections and the delivery of political and economic reforms.” It can be expected that it will not be long before Western economic advisors are paying visits to the transitional government, urging it to enact reforms to liberalize the economy to suit Western investors.

Posted by: thirsty | Nov 23 2017 19:19 utc | 89

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