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North Korea: “The Missile Program Is Now Complete”
Last night the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea (DPRK) launched another nuclear capable missile. It was a new type never shown before. Its name is Hwasong-15 and it is a beauty.
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The new missile is huge. Note Kim Jong Il in his black coat on the left. He is 5'7 or 1.70 meters. The transporter-erector vehicle with the missile must be nearly 20' or 6 meters high and the missile must have a diameter of 2+ meters.
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The vehicle is a modified copy of a Chinese WS51200. North Korea once bought 5 or 6 of these to "haul lumber from the mountains". All were of course used as missile transporters. A ninth axle has been added to the original design to carry the additional load of the huge missile and its firing table. The vehicle is not a TEL, a transporter, erector and launcher, but a TE. The missile is erected and set vertical on the firing table. The vehicle is removed for the launch.
The first guestimates for the total weight of the missile currently vary between 45 and 60 metric tons. I believe it is a bit more. My thumb-rule says that a heavy military truck can haul 10 metric tons of cargo per axle. Nine axles times 10 minus the weight of the firing table and the erector system could leave some 70 tons for the missile. They did not add the ninth axle for nothing.
The missile looks like a Titan II missile shrunken by 30%. The Titan II was U.S. intercontinental nuclear missile developed in the 1960s. It is not the most modern concept but solid.
The new missile has two engines of unknown type in the first stage. These are fed their fuel by one common turbo-pump. The missile steers by moving its nozzles. The reentry vehicle (RV) in the front which carries the payload is also huge. North Korea can surely fit one of its peanut shaped hydrogen bombs inside of it.
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North Korea claims that the vehicle and missile were completely locally build. It is possible that this true. North Korea also claims a maximum reach for the missile of 13,000 kilometer. That is likely the absolute maximum with no payload. With a significant payload of about 600 kilogram for a hydrogen bomb the missile might be able to reach the mid-west of the U.S. but likely not the east coast. But these are guestimates. For risk evaluation one needs to look at the worst case. One has to anticipate that this type, with maybe slight modifications, will have enough reach to flatten Manhattan.
The launch happened on 3:00 am local time after the missile was transported from the factory hall seen above (March 16th Factory, Pyongsong 39°16'52.71"N 125°52'12.89"E) to its launch place. North Korea thus demonstrated the capability for surprise launches independent of the "weather". (In military doctrine nighttime darkness is a "weather" condition.) The U.S. has no means to preempt a launch of such a missile as place and time of the launch are not discernible.
Some pictures of the launch are below. A 14 minute video of the official TV announcement of the launch shows additional details of the preparations and flight.
One hopes that it will have finally sunk in with U.S. decision makers that North Korea is a nuclear power. The U.S. has claimed for some 75 years that it needs nukes for its security. It is constantly threatening North Korea. It does not stick to its deals (just ask Ghaddafi). There is no way the the DPRK will give up on its nukes or its intercontinental missile force.
In its government statement the DPRK said that its missile development is now "complete":
.. it is the most powerful ICBM which meets the goal of the completion of the rocket weaponry system development set by the DPRK.
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Kim Jong Un declared with pride that now we have finally realized the great historic cause of completing the state nuclear force, the cause of building a rocket power.
It has achieved its aim of holding the whole continental U.S. at risk of a nuclear attack should it try to attack (or decapitate) North Korea. This likely also means that it will not build any new types of missile. It will continue to develop the existing ones.
A good agreement between the U.S. and North Korea would stop such further development of missiles and nukes in exchange for the stop of U.S. maneuvers near the country. North Korea has made such a "double suspension" offer. It is for the U.S. to accept it. But with Tillerson leaving as Secretary of State and Pompeo taking over his job the chances for negotiations and any deal are currently next to zero.
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@43 Jen,
Add to that another fact, that the US usually chooses to make coincide for to develop its military drills along with South Korea preciselly the harvesting time in DPRK, with which many military personal who would have to be helping in harvesting work ( yes, in DPRK, there is no place for laziness, and when yo uare not at war you have to help the country at other works ) are oblied to be ready at their barracks in military alert, which constitutes another intend by the US of continuing starving the North Korean people. I say continuing, since the North Korean people was also starved during the Korean War, apart from being decimated in almost its half by the continuous US attacks and blockades, and so, it is a reality that the North Koreans and South Koreans, while being genetically ( and nationally )the same people, have obvious differences is size and height to the advantage of the South Koreans. Another delicacy they must thank to the US.
On the other hand, I do not agree in the statement I read the other day by Mr. Nebenzya, Russian ambassador to the UN, on that DPRK do not have the right to be nuclear. Why not, I wonder. While the world is in such state of affairs that rogue states bully continuoulsy the weakest nations without almost opposition and even achieving wide support in their “war of sanctions” even by other bullied countries, everybody has the right to try to protect their lives the best they can. It is clear that the only thing that nowadays act as a deterrent is becoming a nuclear state.
Last, but not least, @Sid2, if I were Pompeo, I would have a cold shower to calm myslef a bit, since his estimations on the ammount of people who could be dissidents from the North Korean system would be in the best case on the same range as those from the USSR, without forgetting that after almost three decades of continuous demonization of the communist system of the USSR by the main MSM , rewritting of history by well payed academics and the last and huge effort made by the “alt-right alt-media” ( with one of their favourite mottos, “communism and fascism are the same”, avoiding finding themselves in the mirror ) in the developed world, included the Russian Federation, still at least half of the Russian population declares itself supporter of the Soviet system.
Not to mention that I very doubt that even the South Koreans would be so willing to attack their brother country with which they, in a, overwhelming majority, only wish to rejoin and rebuild the unique nation they were in the past. Do not forget that there are still people in both Koreas who are relatives.
As a final note, I would add something I read time ago in an article whose link I do not have at hand right now, and it is that, most probably, the main danger coming from DPRK has less to do with nuclear missiles and more with the so mentioned lately “cyberwarfare”. It seems that the North Korean hackers coming out of the Computer University of Pyongyang are the best in the world ( yes, you will not hear this in the media, neither in the US, nor for that matter in Russia, being them both who always are considered by all as the “masters” in the matter ) and it seems that at least once, or more times, in the past they were able to infiltrate the Federal Reserve System…..To give it a thought, doesn´t it?
Posted by: elsi | Dec 1 2017 19:53 utc | 70
Inkan1969 | Dec 1, 2017 8:41:29 PM | 79
What gaslighting?
The same bullshit gaslighting that was perpetrated by your friendly social democratic plutocrats on Saddam Hussein. It is to be expected that you believed hook, line sinker the concocted stories about babies being killed in their hospital cribs. That Saddam Hussein had WMD’s and could strike the US mainland ANY MOMENT.
The same gaslighting that has been done to Colonel Qaddafi, of which your friendly secretary of regime department so eloquently twisted the words of a man this person could ever reach the water, Julius Caesar: “VENI VIDI VICI” was converted into the perverted statement of “WE came, we saw, he died” with the same sadistic smile a Barbie had for his victims.
Are you claiming that the North Korean regime is not a totalitarian dictatorship?
Absolutely and nothing compared to the totalitarian dictatorship of the United States, where flesh-less corporate persons dictate which laws are written and which demands of the population in flesh are denied. Never heard of ALEC, of course. It is obvious that you have never been in North Korea and while I can say the same about myself, I don’t spread bullshit about a place I have never been to. North Korea has always fully deserved the benefit of my doubts, based on the stinking lies the US regime has spewed out over the last 60 years.
All you offer are hysterical slurs against the US as a whole that read like they were written by North Korean propaganda, with clichés like “capitalist pigs” and spurious connections like “Christianity based” Fascism.
Hysterical slurs? Let me brake it to you, hysterical is what happened today in Hawai’i where for the first time ever, nuclear attack sirens were sounded. And why would that be? Because of the
illegal, against all international laws – that do not apply to the United States – waged wars, including using depleted uranium on the Iraqi and Afghani populations. North Korean propaganda is funny, since North Korea does not need any propaganda. The one Nation that has carpet bombed North Korea and slaughtered at least a quarter of its population based on the fact that North Korea decided in self determinating fashion to chose Communism as form for its society. But for the Christo-Fascist capitalist wannabe empire, that was of course intolerable. Just like in Vietnam, where with a little help from a false flag millions of innocent people had to die for the profits of your friendly and benevolent capitalists. Cliché is the best joke I have heard in a long time. It reveals that you care not the least for the general population of the United States, that have little to no influence over the decisions their owners make for their sole benefit. That Fascism is a derivative of the Judaeo-Christian belief system is historically proven. So, the fact that you have no clue about the atrocities and genocide that Christianity is known for (I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition) and it’s symptomatic for the most murderous ‘religion’ in human history to bless Fascist dictators and exterminate ‘savages’ – especially those with lots of gold and now those reformed non Judaeo-Christian Muslims with all their oil in the ground. Yes, we all know that not all Christians are bad, certainly not the few thousand that work in soup kitchen necessary because of your friendly capitalist’s ideas about who deserves to prosper and who not. Leaving millions of hypocritical good Christians that have NO WHATSOEVER problems with millions of innocent women and children being slaughtered, because “You have to fight them over there, that You don’t have to fight them over here.” Preposterous does not cut it by the length of the Universe.
The North Korean dictatorship’s dogma is not about “living a peaceful life, with a roof over their head, food on the table and the kids safe in bed.”
Ah, yes, a little word twisting will do miracles and it shows that you don’t even know what a ‘dogma’ constitutes. I would not use words like this, in absence of any understanding what they encompass. The sentence was related to the North Korean people and their desire to live in exactly the way I have written. And since you speak about ‘dogma’, Christian dogma is tried and proven to have worked real wonders in the stupefying of the “In god we trust” crowd. With a little nudge, believers of the Christian dogma will shoot innocent African-American youth in the back, it will wear white hoods, be full of hate when it comes to those who do not believe in their fairy tale about the person allegedly tortured to death on a cross, which is the number one symbol of Christianity. A to death tortured person on a cross. Lovely. How inappropriate for people to not buy into that and turn to the smiling, round man that told only one thing: “Do no harm, do no hurt”. Compared to the slaughterers of the Native American Indian population that killed as many buffaloes as possible to starve them to death. ‘Good Christians’ is an oxymoron.
There’s no equality and justice in this totalitarian regime;
compared to the most egalitarian and just society on Earth, the one Nation under ‘god’? Are you actually believing your own fantasies? Let me tell you something about equality and justice:
Equality is, when all human beings are treated equally. Do you get that? Human beings that are treated equally, have equal opportunities, equal pay and equal rights and equal duties. Only in your little fantasy is that the modus operandi in the United States. As if African-Americans, who were not allowed to ride the same bus their white good Christians rode as little as 50 years ago and might still not walk through a white Christian neighborhood without being shot, who have a fraction of the choices white Christians proclaim for themselves. Do I have to continue about the ‘equality’ between white Christian men and women, whether white Christian, or African-American? Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance?
how can you say their actions advance that then? None these “terrorist empire” imaginings have anything to do with exceptionalism;
Of course not. Exceptionalism does not provide for actions that would otherwise be impossible. But how could you know that? You do not know about the history of exceptionalism in Europe and most notable by folks that proclaimed that Aryans are the sole Master Race and most others are at best tolerated, or sub-human. The prerequisite for the construction and utilization of concentration camps was the delusion of being exceptional over any other race on Earth. Aryans were more exceptional than the exceptionals themselves, gods chosen people, who have been fighting and hating each other for millenniae. My family goes back to 1648. We experienced the creation of Protestantism and the religious wars in Europe. My ancestors saw emperors come and go for hundreds of years and you care to lecture me on exceptionalism? You know nothing about what creates the delusion of exceptionalism. Hint: it is never the general population that sees itself like that from birth on. The delusion of being exceptional is programmed and conditioned into a human mind from early on. Transferred from generation to generation without the need to second guess it validity.
it’s when the government betrays exceptionalism when they think it’s alright to prop up dictators and fight illegal wars.
Are you writing from an insane asylum? BETRAYING EXCEPTIONALISM? Once more, exceptionalism is the precursor and prerequisite for all mayhem in the history of mankind. Exceptionalism is the basis for ENTITLEMENT. Do you know what ‘entitlement’ means? It means that people line up behind a dictatorial puppet to kill millions of people of color in faraway countries, because they are entitled to do so. Even without the specific approval of the United Nations Security Counsel. That is entitlement based on the delusion of exceptionalism.
The “game show host messiah” is the one who’s attacking exceptionalism and who’s been embraced by the people on this website.
You are on the wrong website obviously, because with the exception of the occasional equally deluded troll, nobody here has any illusions about the fact that the game-show-host turned president is just another puppet installed by the Plutocrats. There is a difference between an Oligarchy and a Plutocracy. Go read about it. To believe that this person was ‘elected’ is so removed from reality, that it will make my attempt to respond to you in kind absolutely futile. As if it could remain a mystery to those WHO DID VOTE for this person had not ample opportunity to figure out that they had been had. Explain, what a tax reform that will take money from people that already are whistling from the last hole of their flute of existence, to give lavish tax cuts for billionaires and millionaires? You are not one of them obviously, because you would never appear on this board to write a response of the likes you did. You are a useless eater for your game-show-host turned president. You are callous and gullible if you truly believe that this guy gives a fuck about you and those who voted for him. He did not need your vote, or anybody else’s at that. If Clinton would have been a threat to the Plutocrats’ ultimate takeover, they would have arrested her. If Bernie Sanders would have been a threat to the takeover, they would have popped the guy.
It must hurt to be so naive. While I do not wish any malaise on anybody but those who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity and Earth, I hope that you will wake up from your slumber about WHO IS IN CONTROL in this country. Watching the documentary “Plutocracy”
on ‘Metanoia Films’ might enlighten you. Hopefully you can overcome your indoctrinated mind and watch all three parts of it.
You demonize the whole US as “United States of Terror and Slavery”; how can your subsequent claims of caring for the well being of the 300 plus inhabitants?
Demonize? Demons are for people that are utterly lost in religion. They belong to a time in which people believed that whatever harm came their way was perpetrated by a demon. There is no such thing, and if there is, show me. Until then, YES, I make responsible the entirety of the United States, because whoever is a US citizen has his/her share in the terror and slavery perpetrated in their name. Those who take responsibility SPEAK OUT about the inhumane treatment of human beings not carrying a US passport with them (whereas that will no longer protect you either). Have you ever heard about ‘Guantanamo Bay’? If you are an American citizen, you own that, whether you like it or not. Do you need to be filled in into the kind of torture and utmost cruelty that was inflicted on people that had absolutely nothing to do with what they were accused of? People that were at the wrong place at the wrong time? Kept in kennel like enclosures like animals by the ‘good’ Christians? You own this shit if you bear a US passport as much as the Germans owned their obliterated Nation after they had exterminated 30+ million Soviet citizens.
Plus, I demand responsibility for 300+MILLION Americans, not just 300. That number shows that you actually don’t really care what you are writing about. That’s okay, no problem, just don’t respond to any COMMENT not paying proper attention at what you respond with.
And you try to silence any counterargument against you by branding rebuttals “yapping”.
REBUTTAL? Ha, ha, ha! Now you got me really giggling. You do not possess the mental capacity to rebut anything you don’t know anything about. What you respond with is corporate mainstream propaganda ‘knowledge. If you care to ridicule yourself, that’s fine by me, but do not respond to a comment that is based on FACTS and FACTS only. It is your responsibility to inform yourself via all available information. Be it from peers, teachers, parents, friends, opposing view outlets and most important from books. There are books written about every aspect of what I commented with. If you do not care to read these books, than you need to take a hike and not fabricate a pseudo rebuttal of the inconvenient truth, the real inconvenient one.
IF your moniker is reflective of your year of birth, you should pull your head out of the sand, and I am really polite here, since the only interest on this side of the screen are in the solutions to bring about urgently required changes to a society that has not only lost its meaning, but also its mind.
The purpose of engaging in commenting is to further the understanding about what could be done to reverse the course of an already listing society named Titanic. If you like to sink with it, fine. But don’t interrupt into conversations that are intended to bring about the required changes of minds in order to be best prepared for what is coming at humanity and this planet.
Last but not least, your friendly capitalists keep ordering brainwashed individuals to spray toxic aerosols in the atmosphere. Clearly visible in the sky and no longer denied, but by the most gullible people on Earth.
It is CAPITALIST PIGS as long as they continue to exterminate human life for profits. There is space for twice as many people on Earth, provided they are not subjected to for-profit-wars, for-profit health care, for-profit education and for-profit industrial agri’culture. As someone who specializes in vertical permaculture, I know that the depopulation efforts of the Plutocrats do not serve some higher morals. They are Fascist policies akin to the intended extermination of the Jewish people, the intended extermination of the Native North and South American Indian populations, and most recently the extermination of people that choose to believe in Islam. It looks like the only religion a person can choose is either way Christianity, or Judaism. How pathetically hypocritical.
CAPITALIST PIGS:
George Orwell – Animal Farm:
“The Trough is always the same – only the PIGS change.”
Rebut that. Oh, and yes, by all means, learn in what context the term ‘Orwellian’ is used and by whom.
Posted by: notheonly1 | Dec 2 2017 4:22 utc | 82
psychohistorian | Dec 2, 2017 1:21:16 AM | 86
Absolutely and very well stated. This indeed a complicated matter. It is noted that You are aware of the damages the old misanthrope Bernays inflicted on the Western hemisphere, since his influence on corporate and governmental power are most often wholly underestimated, if not excused, or lauded (well, only by those benefiting from his perverted abuse of the human mind). There is a documentary (actually a number of them) that should be mandatory at school and replace the pledge of allegiance. 😀 The most detailed account about what happened in the United States from the early 1920’s on can be explored in the brilliant documentary “The Century of the Self” and I can imagine You might have seen it. The website “Thoughtmaybe” has been repeatedly under DDOS attack over the last few years and especially after publication of the Scott Noble docu series “Plutocracy” (which can also be had on Metanoia Film”).
Whoever watches ‘The Century of the Self’ will be in for some nice reality check. As You said, the indoctrination form early age on was the glorious idea of Bernays, who was also revered by the Nazis. No small wonder that his works and influence continued in the US after WWI. The Plutocrats love this guy and if it would be for them, he would have a statue before every public building…
As You remarked the factual tragedy of a large number of Americans being ‘zombies’, it will be imperative to circumvent those who are the least receptive for the truth and a differing world view and focus instead on the dismemberment of Bernays (int he US) celebrated legacy. The man was a monster of immeasurable proportions. He sold his knowledge of the Human Mind to the corporations and to the government, which in turn lead to the first attempt of a Fascist coup d’etat in the United States.
He never gave up on the idea of the total control of the masses, whom he deemed utterly pathetic and stupid. He hated the masses and transformed them into obedient consumers, as this was the only valid function he attested them. He invented “planned obsolescence”, a perverted instrument for corporations to maintain a steady demand for goods, that would otherwise be limited to the end of ‘natural’ life cycle of any given product. The planet is so much worse off for its implementation.
The government was happy too, since you will be able to rake in sales taxes for the same product, that has now to be replaced every few years. My Mom still has a kitchen combination machine (blender/mixer/dough maker/meat grinder/pasta maker) from 1958. I believe it to be a KRUPS. That’s 60 years of flawless operation next year, my friend. Unbelievable, isn’t it? Of course the same applies to automobiles. As someone who specialized on historic and classic automobiles, I cherish the degree of craftsmanship and quality that has gifted those who collect these gems with vehicles that still work without major issues after seventy years. Tucker is a good example as well. All Tuckers, but a few wrecked ones are still running and driving like new.
The young ‘indoctrinate’ 😉 could not understand that the reason for the one perversion goes hand in hand with the ‘moronization’ of the American mind – forcing it to ever increase the productivity/workload in order to ‘keep up’ with the purchases of replacements. There is only one other racket that generates more revenue and that is military gear – build and sold to tax payers to be destroyed.
The Century of the Self explains how the one manipulation leeches into other areas of life. The mind became a battle field for corporate and authority interests. Add to the mix, that religion was exploited insofar that the American Christian mind had no defense mechanisms against the indoctrination of Christian values in the control of the individual’s personal life. The entire McCarthy era is a great example for such an indoctrination and for the manufacturing of consent in the “fight against godless communists” and the defense of Christian (Western)’values’ by means of oppression of and even war on those who did not share the Christian dogmata.
A formidable adversary lives in the mind of every American citizen – without the individual even knowing it. Prepped in decades, through so called ‘education’, Hollywood flicks and sporting. That’s a lot of components that – in their combined occurrence – can render the individual mind so helpless, that it will be next to impossible to survive outside of like-programmed individuals. A group dynamic was created that the individual cannot withdraw itself from.
That is what we are dealing with today. Paired with incessant propaganda and deception, one must expect the masses to be unable to break free from these balls and chains easily. Also a significant problem is the perpetuation of the need to ‘work hard to make a living’, which is in itself a blaspheme lie – since the tortured man on the cross allegedly said that “Therefore worry not about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough troubles of its own.” Which in its consequence means nothing than to trust one’s god to arrange things the way they are best for the individual. An non-trusting person therefore will have to work hard in order to preempt its continuity, as it cannot be left to the heavens to manage it. Other cultures see it different though, all the way to fatalism, but at least they do not waste their lives having to work hard.
The other problem with that lies in the demand of the group for the compliance of the individual to that delusion. It really extends to an entire Nation daring to dictate the lifestyle/society of another Nation, preferably one that is easily overrun. A holier than thou situation leading to illegal wars backed by the masses that succumbed to this lie.
Muslims are a good enemy. They are all slackers, lazy, godless people that love to drink tea and smoke hookah all day long. The secret dream of every American – to work less (hard) and spend more time with family and friends, doing things one loves to do. That’s blasphemy for the good Christian, anarchy.
Thus is the mind equipped that it can not let go of this misunderstanding/indoctrination. Parents have less time for their children than ever before. A fool who thinks that this is carefully orchestrated in order to condition and program the children towards obedient servitude. The more time the children spend with employees of the authorities (teachers) the more thorough and deep the programming.
It is therefore next to impossible to drop obedience, since it is anchored at the bottom of the mind now. One has to believe what the authorities tell one. What the cop tells one. What the government worker tells one. Disobedience towards authorities is equated with disobedience towards god. That’s not going to happen. The good Christian cannot but follow the shepherd called Uncle Sam, or the White House, or the ‘government’. It is against his/her program.
That is therefore the reason why the Plutocrats have such an easy game with the masses. Anybody who drives a car knows that. Fifty signs per quarter mile, now “Double the Fine” in school zones. The notion that “It is against Federal Law to…” is not looked through and fended of easily. As a reminder for those who can’t but help it to be obedient: Hitler never broke a German law – he wrote them to synchronize his ways with authority. There will be a new law and that is that. Do not break it.
Do never mistrust what the government tells you to do. Do never mistrust what the government tells you to believe, do never mistrust what the government wants you to believe. The government/Uncle Sam knows what’s best for you. It worked for a very long time and it might not be over yet. More people are waking up though and ask themselves “What the Bleep?”
This is not what life is about. This is what corporate profits are about – stealing money and time from the individual (by paying barely enough to make it from paycheck to paycheck.
It does not come as a surprise then, that the masses are still lining up behind their Führer. They have to, they must, there is no other way.
But of course here is. There is actually only one way to live a fulfilled life: the one where the individual lives in relative anarchy to his/her inner obedience. To reject obedience an the accompanying dictates and live in the moment – letting go of the demands that others have to live the same way.
That includes North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and any other Nation that care to live differently from the American way of corporate living. While the task at hand is gargantuan, a single spark can light up the barn filled with hey. It is this spark I am dedicating my writing and my discussions to.
People that shoot the messenger, but ignore the message are in for some inconvenient confrontation. An awakened mind does not take orders. It promotes the awakening of other minds, that these other minds can enjoy true freedom, liberty and happiness.
My apologies. But with the nuclear attack sirens sounding today in the ALOHA state, a change of the collective American mind is of utmost importance. Even though I do look forward for people to run back from where they came from. Especially those that came here for profits and ruined the prices for the local population.
Greetings to You. Somehow I remember a time when I posted on Thinkprogress and Common Dreams, before they drifted into corporate censorship, of which Your writing reminds me. Same with others here. Wishing You the best time to be had.
Posted by: notheonly1 | Dec 2 2017 9:56 utc | 86
@Inkan1969,
North Korean people only want to be left alone to develop their lives in the system they esteem is the best for them without external interferences. What North Koreans are so determined to do today is to not allowing being decimated, undermined while getting their country reduced to ashes, like “those of always” have been able to do to non nuclear nations like Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, and so on.
Sound quite hyprocritical, for not to say shameless, hearing you talking about “totalitarain dictatorship”, obviously with the same eternal aim coming from your country, and, obvioulsy, from a great part of its citizens, on your “divinely otorged” right to go anywhere to “liberate” people and spread your “democracy and liberties”, when one can see the current state of affairs in Lybia, where a well stablished slave market keeps functioning without anybody caring in the so called “international community”,not ot mention you, the so rightfully entitiled citizens of the US, who were the main perpetrators of the destruction of a nation which once enjoyed the higuest level of life standards in Africa. Living in Spain, I can asure you that I had never met in my whole life any Lybian refugee/immigrant here.
To illustrate my point, and you yourself a bit, I will leave some videos: some are on illustrating the real aim on peace, but at the same time the determination of the DPRK people right now on at least bringing you with them to the hell in case they could anytime be bombed again by you to the stone age ( you will be able to test, btw, as well, that another myth about North Korea, that there everybody wears the same hairstyle, is simply false, as anything else ). The others are about the kind of “democracy” you and your government brought in to Lybia. Thank you for your “contribution” to peace and well being of peoples and countries in the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQZDUoyCQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADN0H6MREHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuCJcaQRIuA
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/934897405887221760
https://twitter.com/pechosboys/status/934513772953260032
Now, let´s go to the “madre del cordero”, after Kim Jong Un hs opened the DPRK´s economy a bit to diversify it, the fact is that DPRK, in spite of sanctions, international slandering and isolation, has managed to grow this year even in a score superior than South Korea and other “capitalist meccas” of East and South Asia. This is the kind of “propaganda” the US and their predator allies, who remain looting their own people by sending them in increasing number to poverty while they become richer and richer, can not allow, that in a context of generalized and neverending crisis of the capitalist system and consequent increasing discontent of the masses we could anytime test that another kind of sytem works. In this aim, take into account that it could be possible that they could be interested in hiding this fact other countries not precisely alligned with the US, like Russia and China, which are alligned around the capitalist system which allows to built an uncontested caste of priviledged billionaires at the top ruling everything while the rest hardly manages to survive, even when having a job, or even two.
Posted by: elsi | Dec 2 2017 11:27 utc | 88
Piotr Berman | Dec 2, 2017 8:11:28 AM | 90
“From the little that I know, it is, and it makes large, and probably largely successful efforts to brainwash the population.”
It is here, were the irony lives, that most American people are – without knowing it – unable to detect.
When we look at what happened to North Korea in the Korean war, one should be allowed to note, that the North Korean population MIGHT NOT need to be “brain washed”, in order to not forget what the US military did to the North Korean ‘soul’.
In a time of a well acknowledged witch hunt of every Nation that dared to turn to communism, or even socialism, the US empire unleashed harm not exponentially less than Nazi Germany. The US had just dropped two nukes on Japan, although the Russians had defeated Japan in the North and thus made it unnecessary for Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be obliterated.
The hate of the American capitalists for any Nation was honed and refined to be unleashed upon the American population. McCarthy was able to do what he did (in community with the US capitalist inquisition), because the American people were brainwashed into fearfulness of an enemy that did not exist. It was carefully groomed in the minds of the population. The so called “RED SCARE”.
Out of this red scare, arose numerous military interventions to prevent Nations from choosing which ideology their societies would prefer. The mere affiliation with the Soviet Union was reason enough to be bombed into the stone age, or simply having the governments of these Nations toppled.
Therefore, the irony is so massive and actually an expression of psychological projection, that was always bought by the American population hook, line sinker. Notable exceptions do exist.
It is therefore safe to say, that the American regime did the greatest brainwashing of them all. A heavy duty brain wash cycle, at times removing anything that resembled freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from the fabric of National identity.
This brainwashing was most successful in the United States and its devastating effects and consequences are festering like an infested wound on the National body. If anybody has ever been brainwashed to perfection – it is the American population, assisted in its program by ‘Operation Paperclip’ imports, that should have executed at Nuremberg, but since that was a ruse in the first place, the imported Nazis and their ideology would shape the future of the society in the United States.
In the light of the crimes against humanity, war crimes and atrocities carried out by the US, (see Clinton, as you stated correctly), the pointing of the American fingers (especially by the gullible part of the population) is what accounts for PREPOSTEROUS and can only described as such. A Nation sitting in a glasshouse where all the windows have already been smashed – due to the incessant throwing blame at other entities/Nations/people. This only works via psychological projection.
An honest review of the state of the world and North Korea at that, will reveal, that this tormented and illegally sanctioned Nation is not one iota worse than the United States in the treatment of its people, whereas I cannot even verify any accounts of the people in North Korea being as oppressed as those living in the Unites States, where capitalism does the unmitigated oppression of its people.
In the end it could boil down to the preference of which way one wants to be oppressed. But oppression is not limited to those Nations that SEEM to do that via a state induced ideology. But again, capitalism in itself is an ideology and nothing else.
The good Christians in the Unites States eagerly dismiss one of the most important notions their ‘savior’ has allegedly voiced:
DO NOT UPON OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE DONE UPON YOU.
Is that rocket science? Hardly. It is a rather simple concept that has been proven throughout human history to be spot on. “What goes around comes around” is a variation of the same magnitude.
It is for this Universal law, that the United States has it coming. The accumulated injustice, the hatred, the for profit wars, the crippling and disenfranchisement of its own people, the incessant spying, torture, financial Fascism – too many ‘goes around’ to remain unanswered by Universal laws.
Until this imbalance has been re-calibrated towards a fair, equitable and just society, the United States is indeed doomed.
As Nostradamus noted in one of his centurions: The Eagle will fall from the Sky and the Bear will bring peace and prosperity for all mankind.
Edgar Cayce had ‘readings’ to this development as well, even though he missed badly when it came to Hitler.
Let’s rejoice that ‘regime change’ in North Korea is now off the table indefinitely and focus on the replacement of the American regime with an open, free and equitable society governed by reason and empathy.
Posted by: notheonly1 | Dec 2 2017 21:34 utc | 90
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