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Open Thread 2017-38
Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:
October 16: How The Washington Post Deceives Us About The War In Syria
Ahab Jezebel dissects the bullshit the Washington Post peddles on Syria.
October 16/17: Iraq – Thus Ends The Kurdish Independence Project
Egged on by Netanyahoo the Barzani mafia made a bid to steal Kirkuk and its oil from Iraq. The Iraqis disagreed with being robbed and took back their land. Barzani failed. The Kurdish bubble deflated. There will be no Kurdish independence.
Syria, Iraq – Why The Kurdish Independence Project Failed
Background analysis on the failure of Barzani's bid and thoughts on the consequences in Iraq and Syria.
October 18: Saudi Money Invades Raqqa – Sowing The Seeds Of ISIS 2.0
After having bused out the remaining ISIS fighter, the U.S. declared victory in Raqqa. But after more than 20,000 bomb impacts the city lies in ruins. U.S. envoy McGurk brought in the Saudis to pay for rebuilding it. They will pay, but only for new Wahhabi mosques that will then create the next incarnation of ISIS.
October 19: The U.S. Military – Pampered, Safe And Very Scared
Members of the U.S. military are well cared for and mostly live a safe life. There is factually little 'sacrifice' in being a U.S. soldier. While one side of the propaganda depicts the military as 'heroic', another side emphasis the ever growing 'fears' it allegedly has. That doesn't compute.
October 20: Emma Sky – British 'Mother of Daesh' Wants To Reoccupy Iraq
Three op-eds in four days? Clearly, someone hired Emma Sky for an influence campaign. She argues for keeping U.S. soldiers in Iraq. But the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and Emma Sky's very active role in it, created the mess in the first place.
October 21: "Above All" – The Junta Expands Its Claim To Power
The generals have consolidated their power within the White House. They are now moving to extend it over the public.
Please use the comments as open thread …
>>>> Augustin L | Oct 23, 2017 5:56:58 PM | 58
@ Ghostship, Don Bacon, H, you bring out Snopes I bring facts.
You didn’t bring facts, you brought someone else mixture of facts, half-truths and lies by cutting and pasting someones else Facebook black propaganda post without including a link, an attribution or a reference. And then the evidence you present refutes some of the “facts” you presented as your own.
The soldiers were not backed up by US Military air support. No, they were backed up by the French, who were not authorized to intervene or even fire a shot.
What was said in the article you linked to:
In the aftermath of these events, French colonel Patrick Steiger had explained at a press point that Mirage 2000 fighter planes had taken off in the direction of Tongo Tongo but had not fired “because of the interweaving on the ground.
Unless you have a clear target, there is no point in dropping a bomb because of fratricidal damage. The only time you would do this is if your position has been overrun and there are more enemy than allies as a Russian Forward Observer did in Syria when he was about to captured by Salafists in calling down a strike on his own position. Most irregulars fighting troops with close air support know that the safest place is to be as close to the troops as possible which was why there were no suitable targets
I’ve read other sources that tell another story…
Perhaps you could provide a link to those other sources or were they as dodgy as the Clintonist black propagandist who most likely posted the text you copied and pasted.
The green berets did not have armored vehicles. They traveled in pickup trucks.
So what? Driving an armoured vehicle untypical of the region is the quickest way to point out to the attackers just who the Americans were. A beat-up Toyota pickup could be safer than an armoured vehicle unless it was an MBT.
It took the French 30 minutes to arrive.
Actually it took two hours for the French air support to turn up because the American/Nigerien patrol didn’t call for support until the fight had lasted an hour and then it took an hour for the French to arrive overhead.
When they did they were not authorized to help.
Rubbish, see above.
So, a dozen of our Green Berets fought a battle with more than 50 Isis fighters, without help, for 30 minutes.
Actually it was five Green Berets with an unknown number of Nigerien Special Forces who had been trained by Americans and the fight lasted two hours before help arrived.
Finally, a rescue helicopter arrived, but it was not a US military helicopter. No, the Pentagon outsourced that job to “private contractors.” So, these contractors landed and loaded the remaining troops, the injured and the dead.
Going back to the L’Express article you quote:
Before two helicopters from the French army come to evacuate wounded to Niamey, the capital of the country.
What “private contractors”? It was the fucking French Army that did the job. BTW, the idea that you don’t leave anybody behind on the battlefield is a Hollywood fantasy that only really applies when you have overwhelming firepower available. Otherwise you occasionally have to leave the odd person behind unless you’re prepared to lose a lot more people in the process of evacuating everyone.
As I said earlier that article that you cut and pasted from elsewhere seems to me to be Clintonist black propaganda consisting of facts, half-truths and plain lies but the lies are not very subtle which suggests it’s an amateur job.
Posted by: Ghostship | Oct 25 2017 2:50 utc | 63
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