Missing – A Motive For The Las Vegas Killing Spree

October 8, 2017

The currently known tale of the Las Vegas mass murder feels astonishingly incomplete. Several rumors and reports appeared about a potential second shooter. But there is no hard evidence. The police keeps saying there was only one person involved. It claims to have copious video evidence of that. None has yet been released.

It seems possible that one person alone did this. A large, densely packed crowd, a position high up, automatic weapons – it was a "shooting fish in a barrel" situation – not a chance to miss.

The shooter was white. He was therefore mentally disturbed. Would he have been black, he would have been an evil terrorist. But being mentally disturbed or under pharmaceutical influence doe not fit with the long planning and the diligence of preparation.

Stephen Paddock, the allegedly lone shooter, is a curious personality. Only bits of his life seem to be known. An accountant who, on the side, made millions in real estates? He must have been a thrifty person do achieve that, with a good sense for numbers. Why would such a person go to casinos and put money into video poker machines? It is a sure way to lose and any sane persons knows this.

The above gives rise to dozens of crazy theories. The man must have been CIA. ISIS ordered him to do it. Putin must have done it to somehow sow discord in America.

All these theories miss the same decisive detail that is lacking in the prevalent tale. A rational motive.

Posted by b on October 8, 2017 at 17:51 UTC | Permalink

Comments

>>>Money laundering is the *only* explanation that makes sense to this mathematical statistician.
Except…police, spy, and tax agencies all have a notoriously low rate of identifying this sort of behavior.
So that plops us back into the big mix, with no answers.
Obviously, the key point is: “No Answers.”
Many, here, will pile on and use that to make outrageous claims. Yet the best that can be said is: “Who the fuck knows?”

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 9 2017 17:47 utc | 101

@100:
>>>I was reflecting today on the subject of evolving strategies in programs of narrative control…..
Oh, wow! You sound SO PoMo!

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 9 2017 17:53 utc | 102

@100:
>>>The only way for them to reverse this trend is by huge curtailments in the quality and quantity of plain factual info available. E.g. It’s not enough to control the 9/11 topic on Wikipedia, they’ll need to entirely delete Wikipedia, or dumb it down to insignificance.
A VERRRY long and circuitous route to arrive at a commonplace conclusion: Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information, and it is not in any sense Democratic.
Congratulations on that bit of deduction. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 9 2017 17:55 utc | 103

Just had a look at the wikipedia version (official version?) of the LV shooting. A couple of interesting bits there.
” Police said he had made casino transactions in the tens of thousands of dollars prior to the shooting, but did not specify whether these transactions were losses or wins.[63] He gambled at a high enough level to earn valuable “comps”, free benefits like rooms and meals; the Mandalay Bay suite in which he died had been provided to him as a comp.”
(money laundering sounds feasible)
Also the bumpstocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_fire
Due to the action, after the trigger is pulled, the gun can no longer be aimed with anything like accuracy that would require calculations.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 9 2017 18:27 utc | 104

So that plops us back into the big mix, with no answers.

@Pacifica Advocate | Oct 9, 2017 1:55:55 PM | 103
I never said I had the answers. I meerly authoritatively dissmissed nonsense explainations/answers, thus reducing the size of the big mix. And that’s a step towards understanding what really went on.
As to my money laundering comment – It is statistically and mathematically impossible to be a long run table/slots winner built on gambling skills. There must be some cheating going on. And that is easily detected and punished (legally and illegally.)

Posted by: Variance Doc | Oct 9 2017 18:48 utc | 105

I was assuming as well-understood that Wikipedia is typically excellent content provided the subject matter is not ‘sensitive’. My point is that with enough solid data points and autonomous habits of thought, population general will somewhat literally ‘see around’ the lies of the troll armies. The troll armies will ultimately not succeed in their mission, or so goes the analysis.

Posted by: Cursor | Oct 9 2017 19:15 utc | 106

The same motive that Lex Luthor has when he kills: to sell a story. The bigger question is “What did the comic book writer or company have in mind?” Looking for the supposed details about when Lex/Paddock (which means a small enclosure for farm animals) visited some place or lost money gambling is useless.
So we need to ask those in high places who create all the fairy tales what they are doing. One obvious answer is putting in demeaning and health-damaging security measures, such as naked body scanners everywhere large numbers of people go. And, of course, Las Vegas and casinos are about as close as you can get to the CIA, Zionists, and other things bad for human life on this planet.

Posted by: Donaldo | Oct 9 2017 19:30 utc | 107

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
odd that i haven’t seen many (any, actually) comparisons. whitman was a garden-variety ex-military meathead who had a brain tumor and went nutter as a result. also part of the same texas/arizona/vegas/etc culture of guns and living in sun-scorched hellholes. not a great combination as anyone in iraq will tell you during their 3 hours of electricity per week.
mass murders have always happened (i recall the shooting in a mcdonalds that led to the term “mcmurder” and the string of postal workers “going postal”) but it’s only been in the age of internets and 9/11 that every single even in the course of the day is reduced to “but i heard derp derpa derp other shooters derp no one stopped while being shot at by a machine gun to instagram proof it was happening duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh”.
there are conspiracies: 9/11 was obviously shady, the “chemical attacks” in syria were a psyops joke and the list goes on. that doesn’t mean some stuff is anything more than crazy retards doing crazy retarded things.
also: links and summary > giant freaking text walls posted multiple times.

Posted by: the pair | Oct 9 2017 19:54 utc | 108

*event.
funny enough, after i posted i read the buchanan article and he makes the comparison. also agrees that the guy was just a worthless douchebag trying to be a “legend”. that may be why many news outlets are treating him like “he who shall not be named” and calling him simply “the shooter”.
http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/the-dead-soul-of-stephen-paddock/

Posted by: the pair | Oct 9 2017 20:01 utc | 109

Variance Doc
Apparently “video poker” is very different than slots.
I have seen several MSM interviews with different people that describe a small community of very smart high-stakes “video poker” players that have managed to get a small advantage that allows them to make money.
The info that I’ve seen is that Paddock was known to this community but wasn’t social – so they could identify him in pictures but didn’t know his name.
I’ve seen info that Paddock made $5.7 million in 2016 and most of that came from gambling.
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A possible motive to set Paddock up?
Let’s say the entire community of high-stakes ‘video poker’ gamblers made $100 million per year in winnings and comps (a conservative estimate). If Paddock’s attack results in measures that make high-stakes ‘video poker’ unprofitable to these players, then the Casinos will have saved more than a billion dollars (present value).
What Was Going On With MGM Resorts In September?
Cui bono? It will be interesting to see who is ultimately advantaged by the Vegas shooting.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9 2017 20:14 utc | 110

The note was prepared. He didn’t likely to calculus and physics in the room, if he was in any way intelligent. He’d just have such a prepared note telling angles per weapon and such.
That’s the first photo I’ve seen of thi, since I don’t care much. Both of the long guns there have bipods. The one on the left might be a galil. The right might even be a M249 SAW. It’s kind of easy to get illegal auto-weapons (even without this recent focus on bump-stocks), though an M249 would indeed be kind of special, and maybe traced. Perhaps it’s a single-shot carbine, although that begs the question of why a bipod. Perhaps the Internet Movie Firearms website could find out–they are very, very, very exceptional at identifying which guns exist even from very small or blurry screenshots and such.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
“And, if you’re standing when you suicide yourself, how does a gun manage to get over your leg?”
There would of course be multiple ways. Shoot yourself that gun itself; after shooting your body disrupts a gun…but in any event I don’t see that the gun is “over” his leg. Looks to be another in his arsenal on the floor. I think you’re reading waaaaaaay too much into that photo.
And not sure why you think he would’ve been standing when he (presumably) capped himself. Maybe he was on the floor masturbating with his precious guns. Maybe he wanted his corpse to be found in a sedate prone position instead of if standing splayed out who-knows-where. Who knows. You don’t.

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Oct 9 2017 20:52 utc | 111

“Guesstimate” so your victims, after your first group of shots don’t hit, would maybe disperse? That would be very stupid for a mass-shooter. There should be no “sight-in”. The first shots should be towards a dense unit of victims. I’m not giving advice to mass shooters here btw. Just to unprepared people thinking that if their intent was to cause “most dead victims” wouldn’t already figure out angles and such. Instead just “guesstimate” it??
Live 50 years, carry up dozens of weapons, intent on the most slaughter (for whatever reason) of innocents. That’s a lot of doing. But then once there just “guesstimate”?

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Oct 9 2017 21:05 utc | 112

“All Paddock had to do” you say, after writing about height, distance, hypotenuses, etc.
And that doesn’t account for loss of damage or velocity, or which weapons are best at long-range (different arcs). Unless you think someone in a tower 300 miles away from a target would easily calculate the ballistic of a 9mm glock so after an hour or so, that 9mm bullet would hit him and he might think it was a fly or something.
In your “basic math” you don’t once include velocity or mass and how such would change trajectory. I think you might have no idea of what you’re talking about, re: guns.

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Oct 9 2017 21:13 utc | 113

ETA: “Math” is not synonymous with “Physics”.

Posted by: Soft Asylum | Oct 9 2017 21:15 utc | 114

Soft Asylum.
The concert venue is apparently a concrete park. A little over 20,000 people attended. People will be standing shoulder to shoulder watching the performance. How much area would the crowd cover? A football field or two? Doesn’t take a marksman or calculations to hit a football field from 400 meters away and a hundred meters up. .223 is the main calibre I have head tossed around .. some of the others may be heavier. I haven’t bothered to look. A standard 223 sighted to 300 meters if aimed at center of bodymass from 100 meter up will at 400 meters st strike the target.
The trajectory difference is negligable on a target the size of a human.
The wikipedia article also mentioned the two rifles equipped with scops and bipods. What did he shoot with them? A fuel tank 600 meters away at an airport is mentioned as a sniper target? Hit by two bullets, one failed to penetrate the tank. Was that supposed to be the sniper target thatr required calculation? A fucking great fuel tank a 600 meters?
A gun deal gone wrong seems the more likely senario.
But whatever occured, the official story has big holes.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 9 2017 21:40 utc | 115

This is interesting:
5 Glaring Inconsistencies in the Vegas Shooting that Need to be Addressed
1. Stephen Paddock did not fit the bill for a mass murderer…
2. Paddock was still playing with his girlfriend’s casino card trying to rack up points the night of the shooting…
3. Surveillance footage of Paddock inside the hotel has yet to be released…
4. Neither room service, house cleaning, surveillance footage, nor security saw him bring hundreds of pounds of guns and ammo into the room…
5. If Paddock acted alone, who was this mystery woman who warned everyone they were going to die 45 minutes before the shooting?…
Also, an AngloZio mob kingpin, drug lord, Sheldon Adelson sponsored Las Vegas presidential debate.
Another very important name James Murren
Mandalay Bay CEO Gave Money To Terror Groups, Sold Millions In Shares

The CEO of Mandalay Bay, James Murren, has donated millions to organizations tied to Islamic terrorism, and it has now been revealed that he sold off most of his company shares in the weeks leading up to the Las Vegas shooting.
Wayne Allyn Root at Townhall wrote about Murren over a month ago, exposing his donations to Islamic terrorist groups, in an article that may have proved chillingly prophetic:
Jim Murren of MGM Resorts International has violated the trust of his MGM Board, shareholders, employees and customers. But not in a small way. In a “Vegas bigger-than-life way.”…
Jim Murren wins the award for “Reckless CEO of the Century.” Murren has just put MGM in bed with an organization with ties to Islamic terrorism…
Murren announced in response to what he sees as the racism, bigotry, intolerance and violence seen at the Charlottesville disturbance, that MGM will donate company money (and match employee contributions) to a collection of extreme leftist civil rights, human rights, and Muslim advocacy groups. A strange and partisan decision to make with company funds and shareholder money…
It gets much worse. Jim Murren is donating MGM shareholder money to CAIR. They were named by the Justice Dept. as “an unindicted co-conspirator to Muslim terrorism.”
The FBI produced charts showing CAIR was created to support the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas. CAIR advises Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI. Many CAIR officials and associates have been convicted on jihad terror charges.
But don’t take my word for it. Liberal Democrat Senator Charles Shumer said, “CAIR has ties to terrorism and intimate links with Hamas.”
What CEO would tie his company to a group attached to Muslim terrorism? Any CEO would have to be blind, deaf, or dumb to go near CAIR. He’d have to know his controversial choices would offend, outrage or chase off millions of his customers by choosing groups so extreme.
BUT IT GETS WORSE
Astonishingly, James Murren, CEO of Mandalay Bay/MGM Resorts International, is also a sitting member of the Homeland Security National Infrastructure Advisory Council. He’s responsible for getting legislation and regulations passed for security and technology infrastructure, such as X-ray backscatter machines, in public places.

Right on cue:
npr.org/2017/10/02/555067087/las-vegas-massacre-raises-questions-about-hotel-security

…These are the same kinds of questions people raised after the explosion at the Ariana Grande concert in May, the Pulse nightclub shooting in June 2016, the San Bernardino mass shooting in December 2015 and so on: why wasn’t security tighter? What more can be done? How did this happen?
Lekan said he thinks the deadly shooting will prompt more heightened event security, too. Event planners may consider staying away from outdoor areas with high-rise buildings nearby where potential shooters can perch.
“Until this, nobody thought that could be possible, but when you think about the wars we’ve been in — where do snipers go? They go to the highest point and get the advantage of that height. I don’t know if this guy thought about that, but he sure used it.”
Lekan said whenever he is hired to handle security, he thinks about the shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando last year. Now, he’ll also think of last night’s ordeal.
“Those two events really stand out for a security professional and make you really start thinking, ‘What am I going to do to make sure this event is OK?’ ”

The answer is – more Israeli-linked security companies and technology, of course…
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And the same crisis actors present at various such tragedies is no fucking coincidence:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958980/Woman-survives-Mandalay-Bay-San-Bernardino-massacres.html
You can find more such cases, around the world – same people just having bad luck.
_
There were also ads for hiring crisis actors in the LV area shortly before the event and a new item anouning terror/security drill of almost exactly same scenario (100 casualties).
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Last, but not least – very interesting video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqxUuyHFzc

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 9 2017 21:42 utc | 116

Forgot about this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-03/guests-inspected-at-the-wynn-in-glimpse-of-las-vegas-s-future

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 9 2017 21:52 utc | 117

IMHO doesnt look like these predictions materialized?
Trump & 2017 Economist Cover: Do You Really Want To Know What It Means?

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 9 2017 22:06 utc | 118

Crazy conspiracy theorist can always be expected to crawl out of the woodwork after incidents such as this. Wanna see some crisis actors? https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ff_1507067186

Posted by: James | Oct 9 2017 22:08 utc | 119

Peter AU 1 @115:

The trajectory difference is negligable on a target the size of a human.

Yes, there is wide agreement that there was no need to do trajectory calculations for spraying shots into the crowd and the use of bump-stock made his shots inaccurate anyway.

A gun deal gone wrong seems the more likely senario.

More likely the patsy (Paddock) was lured into what he was led to believe was a gun deal ‘sting’ operation to capture potential terrorists.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9 2017 22:15 utc | 120

Holy Shit! WTF?
New revelations: Las Vegas gunman shot security guard before opening fire on concertgoers, police say
How did the police get this so wrong? Why didn’t the Security Guard correct the record sooner?
This implies that the Security Guard was on the floor for more than 10 minutes before he called in the shooting? That he was on the floor as Paddock/whomever was unleashing barrages of fire from the 32nd floor?
We need to know more about this Security Guard!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9 2017 23:52 utc | 121

From the article:

Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff’s commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting.”
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.
“It doesn’t say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

Understatement of the year.
The SG sticks around on the floor with a bullet in his leg for 10 minutes or more without calling in the shooting, THEN stays on the floor to help with evacuations.
At a hotel where the CEO has just sold 80% of his holdings despite an authorized buyback program that would likely increase the share price of MGM.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 0:01 utc | 122

WaPo reports that it was Hotel Security that failed to report the shooting of their Security Guard to police!!!!!

Even as Paddock began firing on the crowd — shooting for 10 minutes — police did not know that the security guard was shot until they arrived on the hotel’s 32nd floor, Lombardo said. Campos alerted hotel security of the situation, Lombardo said, but police hunting for the gunman were not aware of the shots fired at the guard.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 0:12 utc | 123

And another key aspect of the story has changed!!!! USA Today reports that:

Jesus Campos … investigated “sounds of drilling”[he wasn’t investigating a door alarm as we were previously told!] coming from the 32nd-floor room of the Mandalay Bay resort where killer Stephen Paddock was staying, authorities said at a late-afternoon press briefing.
Paddock … was drilling holes through a wall in preparation for his well-planned attack…
Paddock is believed to have been drilling holes either to install surveillance cameras, or to simply have openings to fire bullets through, Lombardo said. [but we know that Paddock/whomever set up cameras on the cart and peep-hole – where were likely wireless]

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 0:32 utc | 124

Is it conceivable that a shooter could shoot through holes drilled in the wall? It doesn’t seem possible to have done so with a bump-stock.
Did Paddock/whomever initially think of a more limited, sniper-like shooting? Shooting through drilled holes would reduce the noise quite a bit. It might be impossible to trace where the bullets had come from.
Drilling might also explain the info/calculations on the note: the drilling had to be at a certain angle.
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But if he was planning a limited shooting, then why bring all that equipment up to the room?
And after all the planning, why was he drilling at the last minute?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 0:48 utc | 125

It was also reported that Paddock had body armour. This helps to explain why the Sheriff said that he believed Paddock expected to survive:

>> drilled holes so his shots could not be traced;
>> cameras to monitor the hallway;
>> body armor to be worn as precaution as he left;
>> a car with additional ammo;

And the Tannerite (explosive)? Did that have purpose/intended use? If he shot at it from a distance he could set off a “car bomb” but he could also use it as a means of faking his own death.
Did he have life insurance? How much? When did he purchase it?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 0:55 utc | 126

Who heard “drilling” coming from the room?
Paddock was in a suite of 2 rooms at the end of the hall. It would’ve been very hard for anyone on the floor to have heard drilling, and the there are thick floors between the rooms above and below. Unless he was drilling for quite some time, it’s unlikely that a hotel patron would’ve reported it.
Maybe Security Guard Campos made up the “drilling” excuse to explain why he was there?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 2:23 utc | 127

From what we are told, Campos was shot at 9:59, stayed on the floor until officers arrived about 10:15, and then helped the officers to evacuate the floor after than.
It is said that he left to get medical attention only after being urged to do so by the officers on the scene.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 2:27 utc | 128

Part of the News Conference
Sheriff Lombardo plays down the significance of the change in timeline.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 2:33 utc | 129

NYTImes lays out the revised timeline:

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police said the gunman, Stephen Paddock, had wounded the security guard, Jesus Campos, around 9:59 p.m. on Oct. 1…
In its previous timeline, the police said that Mr. Campos told Las Vegas officers he had been shot at 10:18 p.m., about three minutes after the concert shooting ended.

A 19 minute gap!
And there is MORE new info (again quoting the NYTimes):

Sheriff Lombardo also said that Mr. Campos, after being shot, helped protect a maintenance worker from being injured.

Maintenance worker?!?!?! Who just happened to have a reason to perform “maintenance” on the 32nd floor at 10pm on a Sunday?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 2:50 utc | 130

Clarifying
Business Insider:

Police have clarified that Campos had been responding to an alarm associated with an open door, unrelated to Paddock’s two-room suite on the 32ndfloor. He then heard drilling coming from the gunman’s room, which police believe the suspect planned to use to set up a camera into the hallway.
“Then immediately, upon being injured, he notified security,” Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said of the hotel guard at a Monday evening briefing.

AP News Service:

Paddock had power tools and was attempting to drill a hole in an adjacent wall [not an outside wall], perhaps to mount another camera or to point a rifle through, but he never completed the work, Lombardo said. He also drilled holes and bolted a metal bar to try to prevent the opening of an emergency exit stairwell door near the door of his room.

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I still think there is a lot of strangeness here:

>>The shot and unarmed security guard hangs around the floor for so long, even when semi-automatic rifle fire is heard from the room (must have been very loud on the 32nd floor) and even after the police arrive. How many calls did CAmpos make back to Security? Did he tell them of the shooting that he could hear from the room?
RELEASE THE SECURITY TAPES!
>> Maintenance man shows up on the floor at 10pm on a Sunday night. Do they dispatch maintenance people to a door alarm along with a security guard?!?!
>> Why didn’t Campos correct the record earlier? He was called a “hero” because he interrupted the shooting. There is no question that he would’ve known that the official timeline was incorrect. Was it the mysterious maintenance man that told police what really happened?
Campos didn’t seem too enthusiastic about his “hero” status. Guilty conscience? or did Campos not want cops to know that he was present before, during, and after the shooting?

Security Guard Campos was there for the entire event. At least 6 minutes before shooting on the crowd began and about 4 minutes between the end of shooting into the crowd and the arrival of police.
He may be entirely innocent but his presence must make him a person of interest. It’s entirely possible that Campos set the blocking device on the stairwell door (after shooter(s) exited) or ushered a shooter to elevator or another room before police arrived (to be evacuated later). Campos had a security radio so he could monitor the progress of police.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 3:51 utc | 131

Posted by: James | Oct 9, 2017 6:08:51 PM | 119
The really sickening thing is the way that for some this thread continues to thrive despite more recent postings concerning real world issues which will cause the deaths of many magnitudes more people than however many the selfish prick’s final ‘score’ will be.
Those who continue to follow the LV clickbait cannot whine about the poor quality of mass media news stories since they provide a vivid demonstration of why media schlock is so prevalent. Sorta like being unable to find reviews about well crafted TV because television sites do better outta endless gossip and beat ups of Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 10 2017 3:56 utc | 132

Lot’a guns in Vegas that week. Huge gun show was scheduled for later in the week..
No aim needed for fully-auto fire. Just spray in the general direction..Duh!

Posted by: ben | Oct 10 2017 4:08 utc | 133

Paddock’s legendary (and I do mean legendary) reputation as a meticulous planner takes a hit as he apparently drew the security guard’s attention by using (noisy) power tools in his hotel room at 10 p.m., installing (why?) another camera and perhaps drilling holes in walls (why?) — I’m not sure when his “preparations” would have been done, but spraying the hallway with rifle fire (he had a handgun) seems to have forced his hand. I’ve seen nothing as to what Poddock might have known/seen of the guard’s survival, but I’m wondering if he broke the windows and started shooting because he “ran out of time” (having intended more discrete holes to shoot through) … and then killed himself as he realized that (whatever plans he might have had) things were not going well.
Regardless, the delay in clarifying the timeline will open up the possibility that he might have been stopped sooner … although I think disrupting his “plans” and preparations may have reduced the carnage somewhat. Like Harris and Kleibold, he killed himself with still plenty of ammunition and no law enforcement yet present.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 10 2017 11:37 utc | 134

I like the idea that psychopaths are now so constantly aroused by the social media that we have one crossed a new level: Paddock the gambling millionnaire and his Philippino wide-maid; Duterte the president give green light to spread shooting as a political solution to drugs; Madsen the Danish millionaire sick to the point of kidnapping and in killing a journalist on open, with the whole media of his country watching paralyzed…
Life in the Amazonia or among South African cannibals is going to feel like a luxury pretty soon.

Posted by: Mina | Oct 10 2017 12:09 utc | 135

there certainly is an abundance of “unstoppable” “evil geniuses” in our current landscape … and so much declared helplessness

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 10 2017 12:44 utc | 136

Quotes and timeline from Sherriff interview:
9 Oct 2017Vegas gunman shot security guard BEFORE he opened fire on crowd: Police reveal major change to timeline and admit they have no idea why he stopped shooting.
Stephen Paddock fired on a security guard before, not after, he committed mass murder, police said – a revision to the official police timeline that raises huge questions about the Las Vegas killings.
Previously, police said hero guard Jesus Campos had distracted Paddock from his rampage – being hit in the process – just a minute before police arrived.
Now it’s been confirmed that Campos was shot six minutes before Paddock began firing on crowds.
That raises questions about what the killer had been planning before Campos disturbed him, and why police did not arrive sooner.
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Speaking on Monday, Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said that Jesus Campos had approached the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel not because of gunfire, but because of a door alarm that had gone off nearby.
Paddock then apparently saw him on the video cameras he’d rigged up in the hall and opened fire on him. That occurred at 9:59pm.
He then turned his gun on the 22,000 revelers at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival five minutes later, per the original timeline of 10:05pm, Lombardo said.
That contradicts what had been said last Wednesday by Lombardo, who claimed that Campos had approached Paddock while he was firing at around 10:15pm.
Paddock turned his gun on Campos, before stopping firing altogether, he said.
Police arrived just minutes later to a silent hallway, Lombardo claimed – at which point they assumed Paddock was barricaded in and no longer a threat to revelers.
With the hall silent, they – and Campos, who was injured but wanted to help – were free to evacuate the rest of the rooms leading up to Paddock, he said.
That was used as an excuse by Lombardo to explain the delayed response – arguing that even if Campos had not been there, other officers would have disrupted the massacre themselves.
But in the new timeline that excuse no longer works; Campos lay wounded for six minutes before Paddock started firing, police now say.
This is the original timeline of events given out by police on Wednesday.
10:05pm: Paddock fires his first shots on the crowd, as seen on CCTV.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:14pm: Guard Jesus Campos approaches Paddock’s room and is shot at 200+ times, but only injured.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect, per bodycam, due to Campos’ intervention.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos tells the cops he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
This is the new timeline given out on Monday.
9:59pm: Campos approaches Paddock’s room looking for an alarm going off at a door nearby – likely from the stairwell. He is fired upon 200+ times but only injured.
10:05pm: First shots fired by the suspect.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect for reasons unknown.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos, who has been stricken for almost 20 minutes, tells police about Paddock’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
And Paddock fired for ten minutes on the crowd before stopping abruptly.

Posted by: Richard | Oct 10 2017 13:11 utc | 137

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9OfFDwVsY

Posted by: Richard | Oct 10 2017 13:13 utc | 138

Some very interesting detail about photo manipulation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EHtmN-vM_1Y

Posted by: Richard | Oct 10 2017 13:33 utc | 139

Richard,
You’re missing some important info (which I described above) like the mechanic that arrived on the floor shortly after Campos was shot.
Also, its better for anyone interested to view the full news conference.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 16:42 utc | 140

One part of the news conference that was very interesting and everyone should be aware of is when Sheriff Lombardo says that the medias zeal for info is matched by his own zeal for keeping the public safe. This is how he excuses the wrong info about when Campos was shot.
He then talks about how he finds value in providing into to media because they are “force multiplier” to the investigation.
Later, in response to a question about who Paddock may have been in contact with, the FBI guy says to Lombardo: I don’t think releasing that is prudent.
The takeaway is this: the FBI/LVMPD 1) are not telling all they know; and 2) and may be providing some misleading info to protect the public(?) or (more likely) individuals (i.e. Campos) FROM the public.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 16:53 utc | 141

Read this a wonder how many things sound wrong
http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-eyewitness-suicide-fbi/amp/

Posted by: Richard | Oct 10 2017 17:01 utc | 142

just to remind that the sheriff was in an apparent pissing contest with the FBI from early hours of this investigation … can’t remember what the issue was (were) but they said “now way” and he left the door open to speculation. He’s got some credibility to regain/maintain and possibly his own little squad of fans to service.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 10 2017 17:14 utc | 143

@142 richard.. interesting details to further complicate the story… thanks.

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2017 17:18 utc | 144

Imho. Narrow as I do not know how US casinos operate.
Paddock did not have some magic or thought-out method to ‘win’. (see Variance Doc at 99 for explanation of one point.) It’s impossible, it is the food of fantasy that gamblers/casinos like to promulgate.
Wynn (big casino LV type) qualified Paddok as a moderate gambler, and completely sober. What is moderate for the one, is a high roller for the other. S.P. reportedly played mostly but not only video poker. At such a machine game (or say blackjack at the table) a consistent, hard working, and long-term top player will lose only roughly the house percentage (dunno about vid poker in the US but might be max 5 % to min 1 % or even less, experts advise?) and that is made up, in part, or better by the ‘comp’ favors – free rooms, meals, ladies, etc. Provided of course the sums betted are large. So as a hobby for a retired person who loves the thrills of bling-bling and ding-ding (a winner) it is not out there, and certainly affords a status as ‘high roller’ ‘successful gambler’ to impress family and silly women etc. There are losses etc. along the way, but no matter, for someone who makes money say from real-estate / stocks, has a healthy bank account, etc.
https://youtu.be/gxBZPCfJvMc
Of course S. P. may have had other sources of revenue, be involved in other circuits, deals, positions.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 10 2017 17:35 utc | 145

@113:
>>>And that doesn’t account for loss of damage or velocity….
He had ~20 semi-automatic weapons with 100-capacity magazines and bumpstocks. We can see that he had at least four that were on bipods in the photos. The shooting went on for ~10 minutes, with…what–five? eight??–steady bursts during that time.
Use up one gun with full mag, then switch to another: there is no “loss of damage” there. Shooting into a venue that is 100×80 yards wide is simple, and with 20,000 people in that area you’re bound to hit something. He also had rifles with long distance scopes on them, but never got around to using those.
60 deaths from people unfortunate enough to have been caught by the random bullets sprayed by automatic fire at a highly concentrated group of people who mostly (>95%) had no idea where the bullets were coming from. 300 injuries from people getting trampled, or hurting themselves as they frantically sought safety.
21,500 people who were completely uninjured.
I’m not sure why you think this guy was exhibiting “mad skillz” in his slaughter; it’s pretty clear that he didn’t have much control over where the bullets were going. If he had been intent about trying to kill as many people as possible, it would have been two bursts and then sniper fire. Obviously, he didn’t have the skills for the latter, so he just kept doing the spray-and-pray.
Spray-and-pray worked pretty damn well on the first day of the Battle of the Somme, where it racked up 30,000 dead and another 60,000 wounded in about six hours.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 10 2017 17:37 utc | 146

Paddock would commandeer several video poker machines for hours at a time, playing as many hands per hour as he could feed it. The machines have their odds/payout rating on them … so he was basically running out the clock until a payoff and racking up “points” on his frequent flyer card (or his girlfriend’s card) for everything he purchased — soup to nuts — to score more comp’s.
Most of his personal income came from real estate (rental properties, etc.– he was reportedly a good, fair and competent landlord).
His gambling income likely included comps (I think the IRS considers them, like winnings, also taxable income). He stayed regularly in expensive hotel rooms “free”, took “free limos”, emptied the mini-bar. He reportedly spent an entire month in comp’d residence at another hotel… and he wasn’t shy about demanding upgrades.
I’d guess that adds up quickly. He was highly skilled but winnings are limited by the game and the machine’s programming.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 10 2017 18:00 utc | 147

Noirette & Susan
I’ve seen interviews with people that claim that you CAN win at ‘video poker’ if you are really smart about how you play. They say that there is a community of people that do that. But Paddock was not considered to be among the best.
When I heard that he made $5.7 million in one year, I initially thought that answered the question of his financial condition. But I was wrong.
As Slate notes in The Las Vegas Shooter Reportedly Won $5 Million Gambling in 2015. Does That Mean Anything?

Gamblers can report both winnings and losses to the IRS. It’s not clear from NBC’s report whether the $5 million figure is net or gross winnings.

Gamblers report both winnings and losses because they don’t have to pay taxes on money that they lost. We don’t know what the number that has been reported actually refers to. Paddock could’ve won $5 million and lost $6 million.
And I think you’re right that comps would be considered income. So his gambling losses would negate any taxes due on comps.
Plus the number reported was for 2015. Much less relevant than 2016.
Still, it’s relatively easy for police to get financial info and they haven’t raised Paddock’s financial condition as a possible motive.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 10 2017 19:04 utc | 148

Maybe he wanted to kill a lot of random people, and then himself.

Posted by: Thinking Hard | Oct 10 2017 20:35 utc | 149

Thank you Richard and others trying to shed light on what really happened in LV. Obviously we see a cover up, fake news, and information manipulation wrt the MSM narrative as it happens with almost all big events like this.
In this thread here we shills like VArnold and other agents showing their true colors, distracting, disparaging, ridiculing, obfuscating, pushing the old theme:
“Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain!”
This is eerily reminiscent of the 9-11 false flag:
Was a FEMA/DHS ‘Capstone Exercise’ underway the night of the #LasVegasShooting?

[..] Shockingly the doctor’s admission dovetails with an actual Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Integrated Capstone Exercise (ICE) for Hospital Emergency Response Training for Mass Casualty Incidents’ that took place between the dates of October 1-3 as seen below. (Click to enlarge) [..]
Could the following video contain footage of an actual drill being conducted in Las Vegas the night of the shooting?
Two US Army Mortuary Affairs units, semi-trucks, were spotted at the venue along with for fully dressed US Army personnel carrying heavy machine guns. The following video shows the two Mortuary Affairs units along with an additional box truck.

Interesting The Tampering of Crime Scene Evidence to Preserve the Lone-Nut-Gunman Narrative

Please pardon my clandestine efforts to put this information into your hands. Following the shooting incident, I was brought in to a Las Vegas hospital. As a result of my experience, I wanted to report something very unusual.
I have performed many ER surgeries in which the forensic evidence was collected by local law enforcement. In many cases, I would remove bullet fragments and the police would catalogue the fragment and I would sign an affidavit attesting to the fact that this was indeed the fragment I removed from my patient. The resulting evidence tag or bag may include identification information such as time, date and exact location of recovery, method of extraction and who recovered the item and how. The reports can and usually are very lengthy.
In aftermatch of the Las Vegas shootings, I had removed several fragments from an undisclosed number of victims and not once was my signature requested on any evidence document or inventory. In fact, the “evidence” was collected by men who did not make their law enforcement affiliation known. This is the first time in my career where I have seen such a procedure or lack of one. If the collected evidence were to be gathered and used in a trial, my authentication would be crucial to the prosecutor. In fact, when the evidence was collected at the hospital, it did not appear that there was any intention to catalogue the collected evidence. I have testified in court and I know from my experience, that if I had not attested to the nature of the evidence and “handling” of the evidence, the defense attorney would have destroyed the authenticity of the same. Therefore, after three such instances, I have concluded that there is no intent to ever match the evidence to an alleged shooter’s gun because to do so now would likely result in a judge preventing the evidence from being entered in the first place.

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 10 2017 22:16 utc | 150

from AP:

But the sheriff has said that Las Vegas police officers searching the hotel for the gunman during the attack did not learn the guard had been shot until they got off the elevator on the 32nd floor and met him in the hallway.

oh deary me … and as far as I can tell, those were generic “police officers” not “the SWAT team” which explains why they loitered in the hallway outside the very quiet room for a very long time (rather than stick some sort of fiberoptic camera under the door or through a wall …
As posted earlier, the Casinos and Las Vegas in general had been warned for several years (Dave Sirota/IBT) that it was a prime target for a mass-casualty terrorist attack … (even ISIS/Al-Qa’eda mentioned the location as prime) … There will be lawsuits.
ap: Could Vegas police have taken down the gunman sooner? .

McMahill defended the hotel and said the encounter that night between Paddock and the security guard and maintenance man disrupted the gunman’s plans. Paddock fired more than 1,000 shots and had more than 1,000 rounds left in his room, the undersheriff said.
“I can tell you I’m confident that he was not able to fully execute his heinous plan and it certainly had everything to do with being disrupted,” McMahill said. He added: “I don’t think the hotel dropped the ball.”

yes, major local politics/economic big-wig blame shifting …

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 10 2017 22:35 utc | 151

On Youtube a guy named “Anaconda Malt Liquor 6” does pretty good analysis of recent abundant false flag. On September 16 he asked if they would be another one in Las Vegas soon?
21-year-old Brianna Hendrickes and her mother Shawn—who nearly immediately after the attack on Las Vegas, told KSNV (an NBC News affiliate station in Las Vegas) about an Hispanic woman who, 45 minutes before bullets rained down upon them, warned the concert crowd that they would all die if they didn’t leave — disappeared.
It may well be that the crisis actors were mixed with real victims shot from up close by many teams (special ops, PMCs, Mossad, …)?
Las Vegas Shooting synchronized first ten minutes
Audio Analysis of Las Vegas Shooter – Doesn’t add up.
running b4 shots r fired, ja triggers actors in crowd w/ words…”.Las Vegas false flag debunked?
There is something weird about that singer Jason Aldean – he has a Black sun tattoo on his shoulder, also with two cards from the “Illuminati tarot”. Tom Petty died recently, then the LV shooting. Then Aldean goes to SNL and performs “I won’t back down” which Petty sang after 9-11… Coincidences?
Was the LV shooting meant to be another 9-11?

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 10 2017 22:54 utc | 152

This is weird too NBC Hyper Edits Video From Vegas/a>
Las Vegas is an interesting place:
Aaangirfan:
CRI, the Israeli-led Counter Terrorism Training School, is based in Las Vegas, Nevada.
CRI is owned and operated by Doron Benbenisty, a former member of the Israeli Special Forces. “They have been providing expert services for over 17 years in the United States and have trained thousands of U.S. personnel and first responders in counter-terrorism techniques. Their offerings extend to civilians, law enforcement and military personnel.”
In 2014, Dr. Avi Rivkind, of the Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem, delivered a warning to a Las Vegas TV channel Channel 8 : Las Vegas should get ready for a terror attack.
Rivkind noted that some of the 9/11 hijackers met in Las Vegas before carrying out their 2001 attack.
After massacre, Jewish Las Vegas mayor says, ‘Israel lives with this every day’ | The Times of Israel
Report: Las Vegas a Hub for Child Sex Trafficking | Fox News

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 10 2017 23:06 utc | 153

It would probably be useful to compile a list of what is strange about the entire event. Here’s a start:

1. Eric Paddock express dismay, incredulity but calls it “fact” that his brother was the shooter.
Brother also attempts to be emotional, but that wears off after only a few minutes.
IMO he also over-emphasized certain aspects as a diversionary tactic:
>> When discussing the wire transfer he says that $100,000 wasn’t a lot of money to his brother – yet it’s probably unusual for him to have wired that kind of money to someone.
>> He talked about his brother sending a wheel chair to his elderly mother to prove his point about Stephen “taking care of those he loved” while not addressing the real issue: why did he shoot into a crowd of people?
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2. Security Guard Campos survives hail of over 200 bullets shot through the door, suffering only one shot in the upper thigh.
The injured – and unarmed – Guard then waits on the floor for 18 minutes. During that time he almost certainly heard the barrage of gun fire coming from the room.
The Guard could not have know (unless he was in on it) if the shooter would burst out of the room and proceed down the hall. If the shooter had done so, the already injured and unarmed Guard would’ve been easy prey.
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3. When police arrive on the 32nd floor, Security Guard Campos – already bleeding from his leg wound for 18 minutes – doesn’t leave the floor to get medical attention or report to Hotel Security but assists the officers in evacuating the hall.
Was his eagerness to help an attempt to skirt suspicion?
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4. Sheriff Lombardo said that Security Guard Campos informed Hotel security “immediately” that he had been shot. Yet Hotel Security didn’t inform the police and didn’t send armed guards up to 32.
How many times did Security Guard Campos call to Hotel Security pleading with them to send armed guards to relieve him? We won’t know for sure until they RELEASE THE TAPES.
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5. We are told that the note contained distance, height, and wind speed. Did it contain MORE than that?
It is strange that the body in room 32135 (supposedly Stephen Paddock – we can’t even take that for granted now) is positioned right in front of the note. As if having written something such just before killing himself.
If he had only written shooting related info on the note, he would likely had done so seated (there’s a chair RIGHT THERE!) and BEFORE he starting shooting.
It is interesting that the Sheriff, even days later, says that he is unfamiliar with the contents of the note. Is that because he simply doesn’t want to discuss it?
6. Aspects of the case that the media ignores
>> Why did the media not ask Eric about Stephen’s ex-wives. Media usually loves that kind of dirt, and it seems relevant given that the ex-wives are not talking. Is that because they fear retaliation? Was Stephen a vengeful guy? Why was Stephen estranged from other family members?
>> What about Stephen’s two planes? Where are they? How often were they used? Media can’t get the plane ID numbers?
>> Why bring 23 guns into a hotel room. It doesn’t seem possible for one guy to use them all, even accounting for expected jamming.
Did he file down the ID numbers on the weapons? If he was planning to escape (as the police speculate) he would’ve needed to do this.
>> Where did Stephen go to shoot? Anyone at a shooting range remember him?
>> Has any media sought to question the MGM CEO that dumped his exposure to the stock only days before the shooting?

Everyone can recognize each of these as strange. They don’t rely on elaborate ‘conspiracy theories’ like crisis actors. And these are only SOME of the strangeness about this event.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 0:42 utc | 154

@153 pp… quote from 2nd last link – “Going forward Goodman said the city might look to Israel for guidance.
“Israel has lived with this every single day since 1948,” said Goodman.” goodman is the mayor of las vegas… what the fuck? that is some whacked out shit you found their..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2017 2:16 utc | 155

ANOTHER MYSTERY – Break-in at Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno confounds police
Published: 11 Oct 2017
FBI agents returned to search a house in Reno owned by Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock after local police told them that someone had broken into the home over the weekend.

Posted by: Richard | Oct 11 2017 6:54 utc | 156

Richard @146
It could be just about anyone but Paddock’s. Either Eric is in Vegas this week to assist the police and identify the body.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 7:27 utc | 157

Oops … 156 and “brother”

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 7:28 utc | 158

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 9, 2017 11:56:23 PM | 132
You put up some good comments at times with your phony blackfella talk DiD, but on this thread, your pumping for the MSM/establishment just doesn’t cut it.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 11 2017 7:44 utc | 159

@ Jackrabbit
Hard to get to the bottom of something like this other to know that the official/MSM version is bullshit. Doesn’t hurt to keep digging but may be years before something solid shows up. As somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, being able to identify the benificiaries would be a great pointer. That it is being covered up, means US officialdm is the benificiary, but in what direction? A gun deal gone wrong… perhaps ultimatly for some political policy? who knows. Much of this shit, we only get a glimpse of inn hindsight as more information comes to light.
Not to knock what you are doing, but I feel it will be near impossible to find anything at this stage other than the contradictions that show that US officialdom is lying.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 11 2017 8:06 utc | 160

PeacefulProsperity | Oct 10, 2017 6:16:38 PM | 150 “In this thread here we shills like VArnold and other agents showing their true colors, distracting, disparaging, ridiculing, obfuscating, pushing the old theme:”
I doubt most are agents/shills. V Arnold especialy so.
In a recent comment I had a shot at debsisdead beacause ealier in the thread he seemed to be backing the official version which wasn’t matching up. Also his phoney blackfella persona in most comments, but agent/shill he is not.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 11 2017 10:02 utc | 161

yes Jack Rabbit, S. P. was not considered amongst the best, he was very middle of the road (or less?) from what I have read and understood. As for actually winning at video poker, all I can say is here it is impossible, but in the US, who knows, if they built in anything that goes beyond random it will be possible to exploit that. Imho, for ppl like S. P. what counts is the fun/thrill/challenge of playing (an addiction similar to others) and the comps, which gives one the impression of being ‘special’, and making choices, going here and not there, ordering extravagant stuff, having ‘servants’, etc. and of course flaunting a status to some. It seems that what exactly his financial position / sources or income were is secret.
Ya know one thing about chronic gamblers who manage to stay the course? All they dream of is continuing.
PP at 150 that was very interesting. One of the questions is of course, what were the bullets recovered from the victims, and from what / direction / angle were they hit? Just another topic that is blanketed.

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 11 2017 13:55 utc | 162

Apparently “video poker” is very different than slots.
I have seen several MSM interviews with different people that describe a small community of very smart high-stakes “video poker” players that have managed to get a small advantage that allows them to make money.
The info that I’ve seen is that Paddock was known to this community but wasn’t social – so they could identify him in pictures but didn’t know his name.
I’ve seen info that Paddock made $5.7 million in 2016 and most of that came from gambling.

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 9, 2017 4:14:13 PM | 110
The game might be different, but the expected value is still negative. Again, how would you successfully gather the data? I’ll say it again for those in the cheap seats – you cannot be a long term winner (live off of gambling winnings) while the casino is the house without cheating. That is the cold, hard reality of mathematics, based on the way the games are set up. Casinos are very sophisticated in detecting cheats now. It is NOT the 50’s anymore.
Really? You’ve seen interviews? Well, Elvis is still alive because he’s been seen around the world. UFO’s are real because they have been seen. WMD in Iraq were real because they have been seen….
Any you know the facts around the $5.7 MM “winnings”? I didn’t think so; more wishful thinking or just plain bullshit.
Mathematics disagrees with you and it wins every fucking time.

Posted by: Variance Doc | Oct 11 2017 14:16 utc | 163

I’ve seen interviews with people that claim that you CAN win at ‘video poker’ if you are really smart about how you play. They say that there is a community of people that do that. But Paddock was not considered to be among the best.

@Jackrabbit | Oct 10, 2017 3:04:34 PM | 148
It’s a sad state of humanity today, where most suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect. A result being those who latch onto these “gambling strategies” cannot discern the credibility of those who authoritatively dismiss them.

Posted by: Variance Doc | Oct 11 2017 14:32 utc | 164

@Variance Doc
I emphasized the work “CAN” because it is counter-intuitive.
Yes, the house sets the odds and will always ‘win’. But ‘winning’ means maximizing profits. And that means getting people to play.
Nobody wants to play a game that they are sure to lose. And the stories of people ‘winning’ can help to entice players.
For that reason, it makes some sense that smart, diligent players might be able to beat the game. Imagine all the money that is lost trying to get to that level of play!
Anyway, it appears to be widely acknowledged and accepted that there are a small group of professional players in Vegas that can make money at ‘video poker’.
Here is an interview with a professional ‘video poker’ player (from 1999):

So, you discovered that if you only played progressive machines when the jackpot was above a certain amount, you had a theoretical advantage?
Chung: Yes. Actually, it was Stanford Wong who first started publishing books about the progressives and what levels the jackpots had to be at in order to win.
That was Professional Video Poker? His book that’s still out now?
Chung: Yes, I think it’s been revised since then, but originally he was the first one who published anything about it. Then in the late ‘80s some other books started coming out along with computer software that really let you analyze every game, so you could see exactly what the payback was and also what the strategy was for every game.
. . .
So there are other people who do this besides yourself?
Chung: Yes, I would say, in Nevada, maybe 25 people do this full-time for a living and maybe another couple hundred part-time.
Are there professional video poker players in other states?
Chung: Well, I haven’t seen anyone outside Nevada I would consider a full time professional.
Besides Las Vegas are there other places to play professionally? How about Reno?
Chung: If there are professionals who live there, I don’t know who they are. I’ve been up there and I don’t think there are enough machines there to sustain them full time.
So, as far as you know, the only people doing this are the ones around Las Vegas?
Chung: Yes, but there are also some who do it by traveling to a few other good spots around the country.
What is a typical day like for you? Where do you go to play?
Chung: Right now I have three places that I go to where the best machines are. I really don’t want to say what they are, but it’s the same game in three different places and I just split up the action among the three places.
These are machines that return more than 100%?
Chung: Yes, 103.2%, plus cash back too.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 17:19 utc | 165

Last night I was thinking about something that Steve Wynn said in his FoxNews interview: that his casino would NEVER allow a guest in the “back of the house”, along with the complaints that many have expressed about lack of video showing Paddock bringing the guns into Mandalay Bay.
I was going to write about that this morning but then saw this: Vegas Shooter Used Hotel Freight Elevator.
It seems that Steve Wynn let the cat out of the bag. This adds to the amazing failures of hotel security. And these failures make the MGM CEO’s massive dumping of his exposure to the stock all the more strange.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 17:31 utc | 166

New twist. “Maintenance man” talks. Confirms Campos’ story.
“Maintenance man” says that he walked down from a higher floor (remember, Four Seasons is on 35-39).
Doesn’t say what he was doing on that higher floor at 10pm on a Sunday night. And media doesn’t ask!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 18:44 utc | 167

@Jackrabbit #148
A bit of information to put the $5M “winnings” in context
1) Any winning hand or bet that results in more than $1200 in winnings automatically gets reported to the IRS.
2) A professional gambler who has any number of such wins, will register will the casino to track all wins and losses so that his IRS reporting is easier
3) The reason for such registration is otherwise the enormous number of W2G (gambling) winnings will crush your tax reporting – affecting such things as AMT, Social Security, and more
4) Thus $5M of “winning” does not equate to $5M of “profit”
5) The typical video poker machine returns 97%. $5M/0.97-$5M means an “average” player might lose $155K
6) There are strategies on specific types of poker machines (specific meaning higher multiples on jackpot wins, ability to “double down” etc) which theoretically allow for over 100% return. Even a 103% return means only +155K profit on the $5M winnings
However, the real world isn’t an average. The reality is that Paddock could have won or lost up to $500K
The second reality is that even at $25/hand (which is “high roller” video poker, BTW), $5M in winnings is roughly 200,000 hands of video poker. An expert might do 800 hands per hour, people who are more deliberate will do a lot less. It means Paddock would have had to spend 250 to 400+ hours of play.
That is not an inconsiderable effort.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2017 19:26 utc | 168

The “economic impact” of this shooting will be the arena of coverage while the infighting between the hotel and everyone else, including other hoteliers (Wynn) and the police continues.
Lots of folks “love” Vegas as an adult Disneyland where “dreams come true” and they can relax with bounteous cheap food (prime rib and seafood) and “safe city that never sleeps” party atmosphere. I’ve always loathed it, but have listened to the glowing tales of coworkers to went away for the weekend …. Music festivals (indoor and outdoor) will be trying to “retrofit” their logistics — obviously — good luck with that. It’s beginning to dawn on folks that Paddock could have kept firing a lot longer than he did … with a more devastating body count.
Funny how mostly gun control has been wiped off the front pages by nuclear proliferation and bad-boy-Weinstein (whose saga belies the old fashioned question “there’s no harm in asking, is there?” More tail-chasing. Paddock’s autopsy was completed 48 hours ago or so but they’re not saying when a report might be issued.
I worked I hospitals for years … it’s no mystery why a service person would use the stairs rather than wait for elevators (particularly on the top floors) … good to stretch your legs, get some needed quiet and private moments — faster too …

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 11 2017 19:29 utc | 169

C1ue:
Paddock claimed in his deposition to have played 14 hours a day.
Yes, “winnings” aren’t “earnings”. Further explained @148.
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Susan:

… it’s no mystery why a service person would use the stairs

Yes. What’s interesting is that a Saudi royal has a substantial stake in the Four Seasons Hotel that is on floors 35-39.
There are only 2 floors above (33 and 34) that are Mandalay Bay. If he was coming from above 39, I think he would’ve taken an elevator. So if this “maintenance man” came from a floor above – what was he doing there?
And just what is his role? I’ve seen “maintenance” and “building engineer”.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 20:08 utc | 170

large buildings — like hospitals and hotels — have building engineers to troubleshoot all manner of “handyman” type issues — a clogged drain, overflowing toilet, a malfunctioning light fixture, a stuck elevator or a funny-acting electrical outlet — not to mention heating and air conditioning … it’s a great “trouble fixer” job for a personable type.
Big stuff is left for morning and day crew. The “engineer” (as we called them in the hospital) would be the one to write the ticket for the day crew on something waiting for them to do. I’d even guess in a place as big as a Vegas Hotel there would be more than one and that their job might even include heavy lifting to assist housekeeping. Having men around can be very helpful in dealing with irate customers who would more likely simply abuse (in escalating fashion) women, like housekeepers, who responded. He might have been visiting a friend in the restaurant or have been called about a sluggish drain … who knows … seriously.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 11 2017 20:26 utc | 171

Susan:

large buildings … have building engineers …

Captain Obvious stuff, Susan.

… who knows … seriously.

Wow. Your “nothing to see here” attitude is surprising.
I’m NOT saying that Campos or the mechanic are involved in the crime. I’m just saying that they are so close to what happened that they should be investigated. What we know about what occurred just before and just after the shooting is based on their say-so.
Unless one totally discounts the possibility that Paddock was set-up, these guys should be investigated. And if they are not investigated, then what does that say about the investigators?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 21:01 utc | 172

I have no doubt they have both already been questioned, more than once (given the nature of memory, particularly surrounding traumatic events) … There’s little reason to think Paddock was “set up” but you’re free to believe and/or disbelieve whatever you want.
Insulting me and others really adds nothing to the conversation.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 11 2017 21:46 utc | 173

https://www.globalresearch.ca/las-vegas-shooting-an-in-depth-analysis-timeline-of-events-as-they-occurred/5612849
Las Vegas Shooting: An In-depth Analysis. Timeline of Events as They Occurred

Posted by: Richard | Oct 11 2017 22:34 utc | 174

Susan
I’m not insulting you. Your comment was condescending and dismissive. I don’t think I was wrong to point that out. I have agreed with you elsewhere.
They may have been questioned more than once, nevertheless a week after the event, the time-line was changed significantly.
We are told that the Security Guard and Mechanic both radioed Hotel Security about the shooting on 32 before the shots were fired into the crowd. Yet police were not told. You don’t find that strange?
The vast majority of people that take their own life don’t kill other people, and if they do it is often someone close to them (family, co-workers). Mass shootings almost always have a motive. Thus far none have been found for the Vegas massacre.
Even if you trust the authorities or have no political interest, it’s still a fascinating puzzle.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 23:24 utc | 175

Richard,
I’m skeptical of theories about multiple shooter’s in multiple locations. I think there would’ve been more killed if that were so.
That’s why I’m focused on Paddock and 32nd floor or Mandalay Bay. Consider this: If we don’t have video evidence of Paddock bringing guns into the hotel then how do we know that it was Paddock that brought the guns in?
And why did Paddock need 23 guns for 11 minutes of firing? He stopped firing well before the police breached his room. This simple fact suggests a set-up where the real perps left before police arrived. And that leads to suspicions about the Security Guard and Maintenance Man.
And another thing. If Paddock was set-up, then what was the motive for THAT? The leading theories are:

>> take away guns;
>> keep populace fearful;
>> bring in Israeli security measures;
>> financial gain for makers of detection devices and/or powerful people (MGM CEO, Soros);
>> some or all of the above?

FF are done to start wars and topple governments. None of the above rise to that level. And the only real move for gun control has been to ban ‘bump-stocks’. The claim by ISIS has been discounted. But some have made a financial gain.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 11 2017 23:49 utc | 176

Noted. Now look at this horseshit.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/islamist-account-isis-video-las-vegas-shooter-pledging-allegiance-islamic-state/

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 1:05 utc | 177

@jackrabbit.. i see how passionate you are about this story.. i am curious how to contextualize the death of the man and his disabled daughter? thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2017 1:21 utc | 178

aol: (10/03/2016 –Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock took ‘more than 10’ suitcases into the Mandalay Bay days before the massacre .
oh gee, oh gee, captain obvious… I wonder how he got those suitcases into the hotel …
oh gee, oh gee … here’s more from the despicable daily mail
daily mail(10/05/2017): Mandalay Bay COMPED gambling gunman the $500-a-night suite where he carried out massacre and he exploited hotel worker shifts to slowly smuggle in his thirteen suitcases of weapons.
oh gee oh gee how amazingly insightful and passionately inquisitive you are to ask these burning questions … or not

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 12 2017 2:12 utc | 179

Susan
The articles that you’re linking now have incomplete or outdated info.
1. Yes, he probably brought the weapons in shifts so as to not arouse suspicion. I think many suspected as much all along. However, We now know that the freight elevator was used. That is unusual and shows poor security practices. Needing a freight elevator should at least raise questions.
Steve Wynn has said that a guest would never be able to do that at his casino. He called it being in the “back of the house” – activity that is hidden.
But how much can we trust Hotel Security? They didn’t report the shooting on 32 to the police as soon as it happened. We have no video evidence so we have to take the word of Hotel Security that PADDOCK brought the guns up to the room and not someone else.
2. Paddock was ‘comp’-ed a room from Sept. 25- 28. He paid for his own room from Sept. 28 – Oct 1. The different rooms caused some confusion for a while because the Sheriff was saying that he checked in on the 28th while media was reporting that he was at the hotel since the 25th.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2017 4:59 utc | 180

james @178
Right now that is just a bit of wierdness that I can’t fit in. Maybe it has some relevance, maybe it doesn’t. I don’t think we’ll know until we learn more about the whole picture.
The FBI/Police are deliberately withholding info. They didn’t tell us about the use of the freight elevator until after Steve Wynn let the cat out of the bag. And at the last news conference the FBI guy told the Sheriff not to release info about who Paddock had communicated with via electronic devices (presumably mobile phone and PCs) that were found in his room.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2017 5:05 utc | 181

@jackrabbit.. thanks.. i enjoy seeing how passionate you are on this.. i hope the answers come up, but i wonder if they will – if ever..

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2017 5:34 utc | 182

A comment on: Brandon Smit: A Tactical Analysis of the Las Vegas Mass Shooting Incident
I agree with the comments of those that say that Paddock could’ve done this on his own tactically but that the things that don’t makes sense (like 23 guns in the room; stopping his attack before the police arrive; and his being a wealthy older guy with no motive; etc.) argue for his being a patsy.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2017 5:47 utc | 183

…
Funny how mostly gun control has been wiped off the front pages by nuclear proliferation and bad-boy-Weinstein (whose saga belies the old fashioned question “there’s no harm in asking, is there?”
…
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 11, 2017 3:29:05 PM | 169
Funny you should mention that.
I’m not intrepidly following the Weinstein saga, but all of the first-person ‘victim’ complaints I’ve heard to date have been from ladies who, although shocked by his crude and brazen tactics, resisted vehemently and without hesitation. The MSM insinuations of rape/undue force have yet to emerge as have allegations of threats, blackmail, or unfulfilled promises.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 12 2017 5:50 utc | 184

The Mystery Deepens MORE NEW READ LINK BELOW – October 11, 2017 “Information Clearing House” – This analysis seems to make sense. If it has been done correctly, it is evidence of a second Las Vegas shooter. It is evidence not only of two sets of gunshots but of bullets hitting the ground from two different distances. So unless the bullets were being fired into the ground only, it seems people will have been hit.
On the other hand, we have what seem to be videos of crisis actors carrying pretend wounded people into a hospital, and we have videos of hospital visits with alleged seriously wounded people who have had an almost instantaneous recovery. As the letter from the purported military surgeon pointed out, quick recoveries from gunshot trauma are not the norm. Remember also the Republican congressman, Steve Scalise, who was shot in the hip last June in D.C. He was in critical condition for some time, and was in no condition to be giving interviews a couple of days later. Yet, here is a video of a young woman allegedly shot in the hip at the Las Vegas concert all rosy cheeked and chatting away a mere 3 days after being “nearly paralyzed” by her gunshot injury.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtKJuJMQa94
If there are dead and injured, what is the point of crisis actors and interviews with victims who show no sign of trauma?
If there is acoustic evidence of two shooters from two locations, why is the official story insistent on one shooter from one location?
You can see how difficult it would be to try to get the truth. There are too many other things that need my attention, and for which I am better qualified, for me to commit any more time and energy to the Las Vegas shooting.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47991.htm

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 8:37 utc | 185

Las Vegas massacre – this is short, concise and conclusive.
Forensic acoustic proof of at least a SECOND shooter at the Las Vegas massacre
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 9:19 utc | 186

REASON I AM INTERESTED AS A BRIT IS I CAN SEE YOU HAVE AMERICANS REPEAT AMERICANS TRYING TO START A CIVIL WAR IN YOUR COUNTRY AND THIS BOTCHED ATTACK ENABLES YOU TO INSIST ON CONGRESS INVOLVEMENT AND INVESTIGATE THE FBI. I BELIEVE THIS NOT UNCONNECTED WITH DNC, CLINTONS ETC.

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 9:22 utc | 187

LasVegas massacre – concise and conclusive.
Forensic acoustic proof of at least a 2nd shooter (maybe more).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 10:04 utc | 188

David
I’m not ruling anything out but the shooter used different weapons with different muzzle velocities and different sized ammunition. Plus there is echo-ing. And we don’t have dead shooters elsewhere.
I’d believe 2 shooters at Mandalay Bay much more easily than the speculation of shooters elsewhere.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2017 14:47 utc | 189

@Jackrabbit | Oct 11, 2017 7:49 FF are done to start wars and topple governments. None of the above rise to that level. And the only real move for gun control has been to ban ‘bump-stocks’. The claim by ISIS has been discounted. But some have made a financial gain.
You are wrong, because:
– gun control leaving effectively the US population unarmed against the global AngloZio establishment (like it was the case in Port Arthur, Australia) is worth the attempt obviously here, and in other FFs prepared for the narrative to reach the tipping point: “How many massacres like Columbine,San Bernardino, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Florida, … we need to face until we take care of the problem of guns!!!”
– ISIS link was pushed hard, but was countered and failed: that does not diminish the effort to promote it, the fact a goal has not been achieved does not mean it was not fiercely pursued
But I take my hat off to all who question the official manipulative narrative and do not let the lying media getaway with another cover up, like it was before with JFK assassination and Grassy Knoll. The Health Ranger from Rishard’s video and others show true US spirit of patriotism and leadership that should be admired worldwide.
Only wish great Jim Marrs was still alive to comment…
For the curious 15 facts about The Port Arthur Massacre you NEED to know

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 12 2017 14:57 utc | 190

From the link above:

14. “There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania” said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart. Prophecy or Planning?
15. “If we don’t get it right this time (gun laws) next time there is a massacre, and there will be, then they’ll take all our guns off us”, said the deputy prime minister, Tim Fischer in May 1996. Who is the “THEY” who would order the removal of our guns? Did Fischer let slip that gun confiscation has been ordered by someone other than our own leaders?

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 12 2017 15:02 utc | 191

Richard
Your second link makes a reasonable case for a second shooter. It’s something that the FBI/police should look into. But they should also look into backgrounds and activities of the Mandalay Bay Security Guard and Maintenance Man.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2017 16:29 utc | 192

Congressman Trey Gowdy Reveals Terrible Vegas Truth The Media Is Ignoring: “It’s An Incredible Amount Of…”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nrCs1nLGOcM

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 18:38 utc | 193

Military Grade M240B Used In Las Vegas Shooting – THIS VIDEO ALONG WITH OTHERS DOESNT SEEM
TO WORK ON YOU TUBE. WHY?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_k-uo5pws
Military Grade M240B (not an AR 10 or 15) was used In Las Vegas Shooting. The media would have you believe that a civilian weapon that anyone can walk into a store and buy, is what caused the horrifying shooting in Las Vegas. However it was a Military Grade M240B which is almost impossible to buy.

Posted by: Richard | Oct 12 2017 19:02 utc | 194

Why 32nd floor? Maybe that’s why: The Atlantean Conspiracy: The Masonic Mystery of “33”

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 13 2017 0:07 utc | 195

As authorities seek answers about the timeline, they are lacking one important investigative tool. There are no surveillance cameras in the hotel hallways at the Mandalay Bay.

AP: Murky timeline is a focus of Las Vegas shooting probe.
Finally confirmed – no CCTV.
Additionally, afaict, it appears they cannot confirm anyone with the hotel actually called the police (and we know that 911 calls are recorded and date/time stamped).
Yesterday, I read that the security guard and maintenance worker used a “radio” and possibly a hall phone to call for help — guessing (since they’re not cited) those are internal and not automatically time-stamped?

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 13 2017 13:37 utc | 196

Eerily reminiscent of what the law enforces did after JFK assassination:
Report: FBI Wipes Phones & Laptops of Las Vegas Massacre Eyewitnesses

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 13 2017 14:25 utc | 197

I really can’t imagine the bizaare rationale for NOT installing CCTV in a massive hotel like the Mandalay in a 24 hour party environment with so many out of town guests behaving “wildly” … I would have thought that simple theft/property issues would make them sensible and being used for any/all rape/assault/illegal transactions claims would make them “socially responsible”… high-rises with long windowless corridors trigger my usually dormant claustrophobia (and fears of both fire and earthquake).
I’ve read that the guard was responding to an “open door” alarm while the maintenance worker was responding to a stuck fire door …

Worker Stephen Schuck says he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

and

Gunshots can be heard in the background as Schuck reported the shooting on his radio, telling a dispatcher: “Call the police, someone’s firing a gun up here. Someone’s firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway.”

cbs (yesterday).
So, apparently the radio call was recorded, if not time/date stamped.
It’s not said whether the “open door” alarm was on the same door … and/or if either door was the one that Paddock had disabled.
Six minutes in a very very long time to leave a co-worker with a gunshot wound alone in a hotel corridor — by timelines — a victim of an unexplained shooting inside the hotel (since in some theories) the outside shooting had not commenced.
There are already several large#victim lawsuits and legal teams eager to find out who to sue for what.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Oct 13 2017 15:20 utc | 198

I highly recommend interviews with Jim Fetzer, Robert D Steele Vivas on the Dave Hodges Common Sense show Youtube channel. Very interesting observations, conjectures, conclusions.

Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Oct 13 2017 15:53 utc | 199

Security Guard Jesus Campos bails before interviews, “disappears”
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With this development plus Mandalay Bay disputing the time-line, today’s FBI/LVMPD news briefing should be interesting.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 13 2017 16:09 utc | 200

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