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September 22, 2017
Open Thread 2017-35
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well, we certainly are living in interesting times. Who did we piss off? Posted by: mischi | Sep 22 2017 15:45 utc | 1 Israel bombed Damascus this morning. What about these vaunted Russian SS-4’s? Posted by: mischi | Sep 22 2017 15:49 utc | 2 mischi @2– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2017 15:56 utc | 3 Yeah, karlof1…fired over the Golan and guided to target…International Law? ‘We don’t need no stinking international law’ Posted by: str8arrow62 | Sep 22 2017 15:59 utc | 4 Syria destroyed an Israeli drone shortly before the Israeli missile attack. Posted by: kgw | Sep 22 2017 16:15 utc | 6 As Avi Shlaim insists in the Iron Wall, Israel has been doing this kind of aggressive, completely unjustified raid ever since 1949, a few months after the end of the 1948 war. At first it wasn’t looked on that well. There was a large party who actually wanted to make peace with the Arabs. So the militarists, like Dayan, had to do the raids in secret, without telling the government. But slowly Ben Gurion was won over, and he ended up a complete supporter of militarism. Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 22 2017 16:20 utc | 7 Interesting times indeed. Reality is too gruesome to take in. Posted by: Alexander Grimsmo | Sep 22 2017 16:33 utc | 8 Looks like my weekend reading will begin early as Sputnik’s headline reminding people that the criminal organization known as the CIA just had its 70th anniversary is now heading an interview article between Lars Schall and Douglas Valentine: “The CIA: 70 Years of Organized Crime,” which was published by CounterPunch, https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/22/the-cia-70-years-of-organized-crime/ Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2017 18:09 utc | 10 Karlof1, the LSD experiments known as MK Ultra conducted in Montreal were supposed to erase a person’s personality so that a new one could be constructed, like in the Jason Bourne movies. I doubt that the CIA stopped once the Ultra experiments did. They were a total failure as the person became mentally incapacitated, but that has never stopped the CIA before. Posted by: mischi | Sep 22 2017 18:19 utc | 11 mischi #2 Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 22 2017 18:41 utc | 12 Groan the italics were meant for the quote from Mischi — must remember to preview> Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 22 2017 18:43 utc | 13 re 12 Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 22 2017 19:08 utc | 14 11 Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2017 19:13 utc | 15 I don’t know that the Israeli attack on Damascus airport will have had that much effect. The Syrians will have learnt by now from Hizbullah the importance of dispersing weapon stores, even if not putting them underground. The attack was more an expression of anger after an Israeli drone was knocked down. Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 22 2017 19:22 utc | 16 Clinton supporter mark zuckerberg have apparently joined the anti-russian neocon crowd: Posted by: Anon | Sep 22 2017 19:34 utc | 17 correct link for above link #1 Posted by: Anon | Sep 22 2017 19:34 utc | 18 @ #11 – mishi Posted by: JSonofa | Sep 22 2017 19:53 utc | 19 What Trump could have said at the United Nations: Posted by: Lochearn | Sep 22 2017 20:06 utc | 20
Even if Israel is firing (or dropping glide based) bombs over Lebanon, I’ve wondered why we haven’t heard about any cases where the Pantsir destroyed the bombs before they hit the target. Posted by: Christian Chuba | Sep 22 2017 20:15 utc | 21 Sheepdog or not, this is the best politician in the U$A today, besides E. Warren. Posted by: ben | Sep 22 2017 20:27 utc | 22 Israel is beginning to run out of options as a product of aggressivity. Syria is reassembling itself. Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 22 2017 20:43 utc | 23 22 Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2017 21:18 utc | 24 If they learn that star wars is a recognized religion in some countries the artist might lose his head Posted by: Mina | Sep 22 2017 21:39 utc | 25
Posted by: likklemore | Sep 22 2017 21:42 utc | 26 The Kingdom of Spain enters the “Russian meddling” party: Posted by: Virgens Kamikazes | Sep 22 2017 21:47 utc | 27 27 Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2017 22:05 utc | 28 A related follow up from Zerohedge. Posted by: Emily | Sep 22 2017 22:30 utc | 29 If you want to see what textbook propaganda looks like, the NYTimes has pulled this one out of its rear end today: Posted by: nonsense factory | Sep 22 2017 22:46 utc | 30 Laguerre | 16: Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 22 2017 22:52 utc | 31 11/15
Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 0:29 utc | 32 @ 24 Posted by: ben | Sep 23 2017 1:47 utc | 33 P.S.– If you listen to his speech, think you’ll agree Samantha Powers would not concur with Sanders point of view. Posted by: ben | Sep 23 2017 2:01 utc | 34 -The US continues to be “involved” in Syria: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 23 2017 7:36 utc | 35 34
Samantha Powers says the same – and – out of power – now includes Saudi Arabia.
Samantha Powers would call it “human rights” but that is just a different emphasis. She definitively would agree with Bernie Sanders vote for the Yugoslav War – that was not supported by Russia and China in the UN security council. And where the ethnic cleansing was sparked by Germany’s promises for independent states based on pre Yugoslav nationality and EU membership.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 10:32 utc | 36 add to 36 Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 11:26 utc | 37 Greece Could Leave The EU: Why The Grexit Option Deserves Consideration re 38 Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 23 2017 12:15 utc | 39 38 Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 12:31 utc | 40 add – what these rumours intend to do
Greece has no intention to leave the EU but some people have profited – hugely – on the rumours that they might. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 12:39 utc | 41 Sanders: “Today I say to Mr. Putin: we will not allow you to undermine American democracy or democracies around the world.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 23 2017 13:41 utc | 42 42
Eastern European borders aren’t drawn nationally each country has considerable minorities in other countries. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 14:27 utc | 43 @43 somebody Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 23 2017 15:11 utc | 44 b, mutes to Germany election. I’m sure many like me keen to know his analysis whether Merkel will retain her Chancellorship. RT live will be covering Germany’s election. Unlike Amerika only one party win. Germany voting system is complex more or less no single party can rule without collation with one or more parties. Interestingly there are some Germans’ strategic voting to ouster Merkel. I happen to know and spoke to many Germans during my stint in ship repairing, oil, gas and industrial power generation business. My kid was in Bavaria for a month sent by her employer to trained new employees there. I had never been to Germany and dunno how they feel about Putin and the world we live in today. Posted by: OJS | Sep 23 2017 15:22 utc | 45 I’m confused Spain, Spain’s plan to send boatloads of military police to Catalonia to prevent its independence referendum has backfired with dockers in two ports staging a boycott and a third refusing access. Unlike Russia Federation’s Putin the barbaric dictator (sarcasm) even allow every Crimea to vote with his legally “green man” stationed there. More than 93% of Crimea votes to secede from Ukraine Posted by: OJS | Sep 23 2017 15:47 utc | 46 44 Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 15:48 utc | 47 RT is covering the German elections in English – it is fun :-)) Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 16:16 utc | 48 @47 somebody Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 23 2017 16:23 utc | 49 Somebody Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 23 2017 16:41 utc | 50 49 You are free to define words for yourself. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2017 17:01 utc | 51 I know the Open Thread is already becoming long and B has another post following it but I guess, better late than never: UK journalist Graham Phillips is writing a series of posts on the killing of children in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine by Ukrainian military forces. If anyone is interesting in reading these posts – the first came out 22 September 2017 – here is the link: Posted by: Jen | Sep 23 2017 21:00 utc | 52 NemesisCalling @ 49: Posted by: Jen | Sep 23 2017 21:23 utc | 53 @53 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 23 2017 22:51 utc | 54 nmb has a total lack of respect and courtesy for Moon of Alabama readers. He still is dumping his bit.ly links in here. Your behaviour is extremely ill-mannered nmb and I hope no one clicks on your links. The Kurdish situation is difficult and complicated. One wants to respect the right of people to self determination but it is clear that Kurdish independence will be employed to further destabilize the region and, most likely, to cause additional blood shed. It won’t be so much of a Kurdish state as it will be a US/Israeli satellite that is there to create trouble. In other words the Kurds will trade rule from Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran and Istanbul for rule from Tel Aviv and Washington DC. Posted by: Alaric | Sep 24 2017 3:44 utc | 56 Interesting: Posted by: Alaric | Sep 24 2017 13:03 utc | 57 Mind control through sound: Posted by: JSonofa | Sep 24 2017 15:06 utc | 58 Alaric Posted by: @Madderhatter67 | Sep 24 2017 15:07 utc | 59 So here is a link from ZH about the latest move from Russia to out the dishonorable US Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 25 2017 2:45 utc | 60 interesting developments.. Posted by: james | Sep 25 2017 3:57 utc | 61 Below is a link from China news and is followed by a quote that I thought important. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 25 2017 6:32 utc | 62 – Congress approved not only the $ 56 billion increase of the US military budget but it approved an ANNUAL increase of $ 80 billion of the defense budget. If that increase remains in place then that would double US “defense” spending in the next 8 (???) years. OMG & Ouch. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 25 2017 14:29 utc | 63 @63 willy… rebuild and rebuild again, lol…. there is nothing one can’t do with the de facto world currency us$, up and until the us$ is no longer the de facto world currency.. Posted by: james | Sep 25 2017 17:04 utc | 64 – Stephen Kinzer: “America’s slow-motion military coup” Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 25 2017 18:38 utc | 65 @James (#64): The surprising thing is that a significant part of that military spending is paid for by the foreigners (for the time being). Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 25 2017 19:02 utc | 66 thanks willy… i see the whole world financial structure as a giant ponzi scheme that ain’t working.. i am not sure how or when it comes down, but i think it has to.. you are following it more closely in a certain area, than i have.. thanks for the info here.. Posted by: james | Sep 25 2017 19:16 utc | 67 From the way it is described in news reports, it seems that the B1b bomber flights may have been to the Northern limit line.
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This seems to be the area into which those bombers flew. It is also interesting that the newspaper article is coy about how far the bombers advanced. Did they cross into territory that the NK consider North Korean? That would seem especially provocative if true. Posted by: Poster formerly known as oneoffposter | Sep 25 2017 23:14 utc | 68 – Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi was fired by the American Conservative magazine because he dared to state/write the Obvious. I.e. that Israel is driving US foreign policies/policy. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 29 2017 20:48 utc | 69 The Conquest of Bacon by Peter Kropotkin Posted by: Chipnik | Oct 1 2017 6:49 utc | 70 |
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