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August 09, 2017

Stop The Bluster - North Korea Is A Nuclear Weapon State

The Washington Post headlined today:  Trump threatens ‘fire and fury’ in response to North Korean threats

Just another Trump bluster, I thought. Such are mo longer a reason to read a story. But what are those "North Korean threats" he "responded" to? I had not seen any of those. Diving into the story I found :

President Trump used his harshest language yet to warn North Korea on Tuesday that it will be “met with fire and fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before,” if it does not stop threatening the United States.
It was not immediately clear what Trump was responding to.

The Washington Post needs to fire its headline writer. Why assert that Trump responded to "threats" when there were none? Why assert a reason when you have no fucking clue why he did what he did?

A different shabby site claims that the base for Trump's played-up nonsense was a WaPo piece published the day before:

The president was responding to a report in the Washington Post that, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment presented late last month, the North Korean regime has “successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles.”

That report was again just bluster. The DPRK (North Korea) had announced a miniaturized nuclear device in March 2016. It even published pictures of it.

On July 4th the DPRK launched its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. A second test was successfully launched on July 29 under realistic operational conditions. The DPRK successfully tested nuclear devices at least five times - including a hydrogen device with potentially megatons of explosive power. It has enough nuclear material for some 40-60 weapons. All DPRK claims about progress in its missile and nuke programs have, sooner or later, been proven as truthful. There was and is no reason to doubt its March 2016 assertion.

North Korea is for all practical purposes a nuclear weapon state with the ability to deliver nukes onto the continental United States.

This is not news. Talk about "fire and fury" or an ultimatum to North Korea or of preemptive strikes is all nonsense. Nothing the U.S. can do to North Korea can prevent a response that would nuke and destroy Washington DC or some other U.S. city.

North Korea has good reasons to want nukes and the U.S. missed all chances to remove those reasons. It is way too late to lament about that.

Posted by b on August 9, 2017 at 18:02 UTC | Permalink

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V. Arnold @100


If the reality is that North Korea has nuclear weapons, why would war be the most viable option (if an option at all)? Has anyone noticed that the war would take place on a peninsula with a substantial number of energy-producing nuclear facilities that, if attacked by the North in retaliation, could make Fukushima look like a walk in the park? Why not, instead, try to create an atmosphere of non-belligerance in both attitude and behavior, which is the point of the recommended post? I find it difficult to believe that, contrary to Teddy Roosevelt's maxim, instead of talking softly and carrying a big stick, we have "progressed" to boasting that we might incinerate an entire civilian population.

Posted by: zakukommander | Aug 11 2017 14:25 utc | 101

What we respect as fact (but may not be): No nuclear bmobs have been detonated on people since 1945,
yet The USA has maintained (typically as aggressor) a perpetual state of war.

Only nuclear war tools, beyond reported tests, are (as media reported) depleted uranium shell casings.

US political leaders are warmongers. Common sense indicates that nukes would have been dispatched on more people - long before this present time, but they have not. (Perhaps they have been and not reported).

Posted by: fastfreddy | Aug 11 2017 14:42 utc | 102

I'm still waiting for an AmeriKKKan to make mass-murdering the purported victims of a purported Eevil Dictator sound like a sane (or sensible, or charitable) idea?
It smells a lot like punishing abused children to teach their abuser a lesson.
Or is it just that old, tr-raditional fall back position of Yankees when they're clueless and out of their depth...
"Let's do SOMETHING, even if it's stupid."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 11 2017 15:11 utc | 103

@103 I think it's more like 'Let's ratchet up the pressure in the hope that somebody in the Chinese or NK military tries for a coup.' Ordinary people are just pawns in the game.

Posted by: dh | Aug 11 2017 15:57 utc | 104

War in Trump's mind?

Nah, Trump is not such a fool. He is only raising stock prices in Raytheon and the likes so they soar before he sell them and
send them stumbling down again. He is also trying to sell some gold at a good price.

As soon as he and his cronies make their bucks, they will deflate the war balloon.

Neat trick to make money.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 11 2017 18:00 utc | 105

Statement The Global Times editorial, China's state-owned newspaper (you can assume any editorial content by the paper itself is CPC-approved):

"...If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so..."

The preceding sentence in the editorial being more widely reported and headlines coverage in western MSM:

"...China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral..."

Read the whole editorial for context - China is citing US B-1B exercises being as provocative as the Guam missile 'plan'. Western MSM kind of ignores that bit of info because it doesn't support the 'Krazy Kim' narrative.

We can only guess how China would view a 'missile test' (vs. an actual attack that strikes Guam). If they do NOT think the missiles constitutes an attack on US (Guam) soil, then China would see a subsequent US attack on North Korea as unjustified and 'prevent' regime change. Likewise, they would be very suspicious of a US-sponsored false flag to make it appear that North Korea is the aggressor.

The other interesting thing here is calling out US B-1B exercises as clearly provocative. US leaders do not take kindly to anyone judging our 'legal' military exercises despite the obviously threatening nature to North Korea. Common sense would dictate the US calm the hell down and scale back such exercises. History dictates that the US will do just the opposite, insisting nobody can tell us when and where we can threaten anybody. This is bound to end bad 'bigly' as Trump would say. 'So sad!'

Trump and Mattis can threaten all they want, but what they say and what they will actually do can't escape the fact that Evil Kim runs a country that borders China. 'Threatening' China recently to do something about North Korea now (because the US said so) was the epitome of arrogance. Worse yet for the US, only South Korea and Japan are immediately threatened by North Korean nukes. Everyone is worried about them having nukes, but Australia and Germany are not losing any sleep over it. Prospects for any kind of US coalition to attack North Korea are dim, especially since it may lead to war with China.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 11 2017 19:39 utc | 107


Yes like I said earlier, China thinks both the US and the gurning wunderkind puppen-kopf are both deliberately and unessecarily upping tension in the region. And now loudly tells both of them to quit it.

pity they didn't just come straight out and accuse them both of being in cahoots

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Aug 11 2017 20:53 utc | 108

Anyone that hasn't figured out by now that US sabre-rattling at NK is and always has been about China, should probably just give up and switch to something a little less taxing.

Knitting for instance

Posted by: Just Sayin' | Aug 11 2017 20:57 utc | 109

@109 just sayin' - lol! you make a good point! i am lousy at knitting, so that's out!~

Posted by: james | Aug 11 2017 23:27 utc | 110

What was Trump really responding to? The Norks are growing opium.

Posted by: MSimon | Aug 12 2017 8:55 utc | 111

@109 justsayin - I concur - China is the target.

I am not pro or anti N. Korea. It's a country I've honestly rarely given thought to. The Middle East tends to dominate my geo studies. What I am is an American who does not want any country reaching the US shores with nuclear weapons; especially one who is under no international agreement regarding management of their arsenal. I make no apologies for my position. I do find Kim Jong Un's actions provocative because they are intended to be provocative.

But why?

To better understand what may (or not) be behind said provocation and Trump's response to it, I go to a handful of conservative sites who have made it their business to study then analyze everything about that man and what makes him tick. After all it was the conservatives of the U.S. who supported Trump's presidency. Of course, some here may know them or refer to them as the deplorables or the new commie branding of them as 'extreme' alt right, whatever the hell that is. But I digress.

I might suggest, for any who are befuddled by Trump and his actions on any issue, but in particular the current NK/China/US situation, needs to accept that the old political/policy paradigm ruling this country since George Sr, died on Nov 8, 2016. Thus, employing the tools of yesteryear when attempting to figure out what in the world Trump is up to, pick a topic, is futile and will drive you crazy.

All of the battles we've witnessed over these last six months, in my opinion, has everything to do with the death throes of that decaying paradigm. And the conservative sites are slowly beginning to fill that void. If you've never followed any conservative sites, I highly suggest you do, that is if you want to understand Trump, HIS game board and strategy with a bit more clarity.

Below is a link to one of my go to conservative sites. I began following them years ago (there are many more I follow). Their team of conservative writers have been spot on over and again and they know DC. They are a humbled bunch of souls and damn, their commenters are polite and respectful.

Their take on this N. Korean situation may be of interest to those striving to understand what is going on - Report: President Trump To Announce “Section 301” Trade Investigations Against China on Monday -

And Scott Ritter's analysis may be helpful to some as well "Resolving N. Korea Without Fire and Fury -

Posted by: h | Aug 12 2017 19:05 utc | 112

H, Regarding Scott Ritter's analysis.

"The devastation of Seoul through conventional artillery fire would all but be assured, " I posted about this in this thread. This is part of DPRK military doctrine.

Scott's ideas wont work. Perhaps removal of US forces from ROK may. Also, all Nuclear powers disarm all their Nukes. Sounds nice but not realistic.

Posted by: @Madderhatter67 | Aug 13 2017 18:27 utc | 113

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