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August 11, 2017
Open Thread 2017-31
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>>>>> dh | Aug 13, 2017 1:42:43 PM | 96
I’m not sure which ‘typical act of hypocrisy’ you are referring to.
For instance, using real Nazis in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically-elected president then getting upset when some pathetic Nazi wannabes decide to cosplay in Charlottesville. I mean, what was with the shields, have they spent too much time playing Call of Duty: Underground?
Posted by: Ghostship | Aug 13 2017 23:10 utc | 101
– Two proponents of expanding the war in Syria against the syrian government were thrown out of the National Security council.
https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/articles/mcmaster-mattis-purge-dangerous-flynn-crazies-nsc/
Remember Micheal Flynn’s words in which he “put Iran on notice” ?
Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 14 2017 0:34 utc | 102
@101 I see what you mean about hypocrisy. But I’m not sure the guys in Charlotteville see themselves as Nazis. Same kind of misplaced patriotism as the Banderistas but to me they look like good ol’ boys with cellphones.
Shields because they know what liberals can do with sharp flagpoles.
Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2017 1:21 utc | 103
on the Virginia riot:
When I saw photos (DailyMail, Willylowman.com and here) taken at the “riot” I was struck by the uniformity of the “Nazi” protesters. I have never seen whether US, EU or Ukraine, Nazi dressed in khaki trousers-pressed mind you, sensible shoes and ALL with short haircuts. I thought it was very odd.
Now there is a video: Charlottesville Attack: Brennan Gilmore – Witness or Accessory? (AE video)posted on August 13, 2017 by willyloman in which the ‘man on the scene” who videoed the car used in the attack is identified as a State Dept and foreign service former employee. NoW the uniformity of the protesters makes sense. This white/black hate fest looks to be the latest Clinton faction psyop.
Posted by: frances | Aug 14 2017 1:23 utc | 104
uncle scam
‘India has been very mature in dealing with the
Doklam crisis’ [sic]
well its sitting pretty on Chinese territory I guess it could afford to act cool while mocking
at the Chinese who’r ‘all bark , no bite’.
As if we dont know who’s behind the Indians latest
provocation at the border.
FUKUS.
UK set up the whole booty trap when they imposed the ‘Mcmahon Line’ on a defenceless Qing court.
matter of fact most of current disputes between nations can be traced back to UK shenanigans.
US instigated the 1962 war and its Washington which goaded Modi to confront a much stronger China.
The perfidious Albions of all people,
have the cheek to accuse China of trying to
‘drive a wedge bet India/Bhutan’
WTF !
Peter Koenig
‘Is the west ruled by psychopaths’ ?
Is that a trick question ?
Posted by: denk | Aug 14 2017 4:54 utc | 105
>>>> dh | Aug 13, 2017 9:21:01 PM | 103
Same kind of misplaced patriotism as the Banderistas but to me they look like good ol’ boys with cellphones.
If certain Banderistas self-identify as Nazis as they have, who’s to say they aren’t. But I only suggested those in Charlottesville were Nazi wannabes – the torchlight parade was a bit Nazi. But there are too few of them to build their own version of the Nazi Party Rally Grounds.
Shields because they know what liberals can do with sharp flagpoles.
The runic-style insignia on the shield is a bit of a giveaway. If only Rothco manufactured a polycarbonate Nazi anti-riot shield then all wuld be clear.
Posted by: Ghostship | Aug 14 2017 12:11 utc | 106
NYT, Aug 9: The Smart Way to Deal With Putin’s Russia. The author:
John McLaughlin, who was the deputy director and acting director of the C.I.A. from 2000 to 2004, teaches at the Johns Hopkins School of Retarded Advanced International Studies in Washington and is a national security analyst for MSNBC.
The author starts in piano voice, “contain, do not think about elimination” and in the second half unveil his brilliant idea: use Ukraine to change Russia. Slightly contradictory, because the silent assumption is that Ukrainians are so similar to Russia that if you make Ukraine stable and pro-American, the the idea will inevitably trickle to Russia. But the idea of pro-American Ukraine (SS Galizien edition) is that of eternal enmity between the true inheritors of ancient Rus and Mongolized imposters from Moscow. Even so, it makes some modicum of sense, let Russian suffer a humiliation and the anti-American will loose popularity. Been there, done that (Afghanistan) and it seemed to work.
” But we can continue to punish Moscow for seizing territory or conducting covert influence operations intended to undercut a neighbor’s independence and limit its foreign policy options. We can give Ukraine more sophisticated defensive weapons to protect itself against Russian invaders. And we can keep turning up the pressure…”
One can quibble that this plan requires that nationalistic passions in Ukraine are kept at the boiling point, that this is what gives room to lawless Freicorps like rowing bands of armed hyper-nationalists and it actually diverts the minds of the rulers from mundane tasks of running the economy, per chance, tackling the corruption etc. But surely, this plan cannot backfire as badly as gathering peripatetic jihadists in one place so they would get experience in military tactics and explosive and then spread their good news around the world. Even so, there may be bad consequences felt in USA.
NYT, Aug 14:”North Korea’s Missile Success Is Linked to Ukrainian Plant, Investigators Say
Investigators are focusing on the factory as a black-market source for North Korea, a new report and classified intelligence assessments say.” Impoverished rocket scientists of Ukraine who cooperated with Russian military-space complex are reduced to making electic trolley buses etc. with meager markets to sell their products, while North Korea suspiciously quickly designed a working ICBM, with engine looking, at least from outside, like a product of Ukrainina Yuzhmash.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 14 2017 17:45 utc | 107
@107 Yuzhmash strongly denies the NYT allegations…
http://www.yuzhmash.com/presscenter/news/new?id=303
Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2017 18:19 utc | 108
@106 The Runic insignia is stupid. It turns people off. If those guys were smart they’d put American flags on their shields.
Posted by: dh | Aug 14 2017 22:38 utc | 109
Very interesting The anti-imperialist camp: splintered in thought, by Thierry Meyssan
…The US is not looking to reverse progressive governments (Libya and Syria), nor to steal the region’s oil and gas. Its intent is to decimate States, to send people of these countries back to a pre-historic time where “man did not love his neighbour as God loved him but would pounce like a wolf upon his neighbour” [Translator’s note: the literal translation of the French original is: “man was a wolf for man”].
Has toppling the Saddam Hussein regime and the regime of Gaddafi brought peace back to these states? No! Wars have continued even though “government of occupation” has been set up in Iraq, then a government composed of other governments in the region including those who collaborated with the imperialists opposed to national independence. Wars are still being waged. This surely evidences that Washington and London had no intention of toppling these regimes nor defending democracy. These were transparent covers for their true intentions which were to eliminate the people in these states. It is a basic observation that rocks our understanding of contemporary imperialism.
This strategy, radically new, was taught by Thomas P. M. Barnett following 11-September 2001. It was publicly revealed and exposed in March 2003 – that is, just before the war against Iraq— in an article in Esquire, then in the eponym book, The Pentagon’s New Map. However, such a strategy appears so cruel in design, that no one imagined it could be implemented.
Imperialism seeks to divide the world in two. One part will be a stable area which profits from the system while in the other part a terrifying chaos will reign. This other will be a zone, where all thought of resisting has been wiped it; where every thought is fixated on surviving; an area where the multinationals can extract raw materials which they need without any duty to account to anyone.
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According to this map, taken from one of Thomas P. M. Barnett’s power point slides, presented at a conference held at the Pentagon in 2003, every state in the pink zone must be destroyed. This project has nothing to with the struggle between classes at the national level nor with exploiting natural resources. Once they are done with the expanded Middle East, the US strategists are preparing to reduce the North West of Latin America to ruins.
Since the eighteenth century and the British Civil War, Western development has been triggered by its attempt to do all it can to avoid chaos. Thomas Hobbes taught us to support the thinking of the State rather than risk experiencing this torment for another time. The notion of chaos only returned to us with Leo Strauss, after the Second World War. This philosopher, who has personally trained a number of personalities within the Pentagon, intended to build a new form of power by plunging part of the world into hell.
Jihadism inflicted onto an expanded Middle East has shown us what is chaos…
Posted by: ProPeace | Aug 16 2017 4:43 utc | 110
‘With China in mind, Donald Trump and PM Modi announce elevated consultation’
blares the headline.
The poodle gets a well pat up from uncle scam for tweaking the dragons nose,
http://bit.ly/2vIaXgQ
its enough to send the Indians into cloud nine !
Some gems…..
India and US will rule the globe.That’s the vision of the great monarch Modiji.Hats off to Modiji
Trump India Thank you for your wishes …We both countries have the common problem we need to fight united against….terrorism and Muslims
China is a dog on a piece of India Modi has made China realize its worth If trump and Modi join together in a strategy, then China will flutter like paper in water.
This snake China is getting too fat, long and poisonous, it has to be defanged at the earliest
Welcome move by Modi-Trump. this friendship can kill Chinese dogs..
The Dragon 🐲 will be Encircled.
For creating artificial Islands for army bases in open South China Sea, China should be expelled from UNO. China is openly challenging 20 countries in the South China Sea
Let there be peace. Before embarking on a misadventure, China needs to remember that China lost in 1967 in Nathu La. India needs to seek support from Israel, US, Japan, Australia, Taiwan to prevent war. Why should we face a war when we are peace-loving? It’s China who is the invader and they need to be taught a lesson. UN should expel China.
here’s a murkkan
andy jorgensen
This is a shot in the arm for our diplomatic effort, and comes at a time when China seemed to isolate us with their belligerent statements through their captive mouthpieces of newspapers. Limpdik Xi would soon be isolated even within his own country and may well be overthrown by his party in their next conclave. It would be capital if the US followed up the trade sanctions by sending in a fleet to destroy their illegal artificial islands in the South China Seas. Heck, Trump could also have an military aircraft drop a few bombs on those islands by ”mistake”. He can then apologize to China profusely that it was an honest mistake. The US would not even have to pay them compensation since it was illegal to begin with!
So many possibilities – if only Trump would carry out any of them!
Thats a great way to reduce China bullying.
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Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2017 2:58 utc | 111
– William Astore:
With so many generals in the government who needs a coup ??? The generals are already in influencial positions.
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2017/08/01/william-astore-asks-who-needs-a-military-coup/
Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 19 2017 7:23 utc | 112
– How credible is this site ??
https://maps.southfront.org/
https://southfront.org/
Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 19 2017 20:06 utc | 113
Willy2 @ 113 — Good question and I meant to add that to my comment on the Syrian situation in the previous thread just below.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/08/syria-summary-crossing-the-euphrates-at-deir-ezzor.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01bb09bac5a3970d
Posted by: jawbone | Aug 20 2017 15:15 utc | 114
denk
1967 was ages ago. I was a child back then. Since then I’ve changed much. So has China. China 1967 is nothing like China 2017. India would face a two front war. (Pakistan)
The U.S. with or without Trump. Do not have the balls to destroy those artificial islands, in the South CHINA Sea.
Posted by: @Madderhatter67 | Aug 20 2017 16:05 utc | 115