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July 12, 2017
Open Thread 2017-29
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This piece on Afghanistan’s ethnic geography and its relevance to Kabul City may be of interest to some readers: Posted by: 47 | Jul 12 2017 19:18 utc | 2 Remember the Maine! Posted by: CarlD | Jul 12 2017 19:24 utc | 3 @ 47: Thanks for the link. Here’s a pictorial of Afghanistan before the empire decided it wanted its’resources. Posted by: ben | Jul 12 2017 19:31 utc | 4 For those seeking a break from the current Soap Opera called Russiagate, Monthly Review has published a special edition, Revolution and Counterrevolution, 1917-2017, although not yet available in its entirety online, https://monthlyreview.org/ Some will find JB Foster’s lead essay ties into the current distraction; it certainly provides a differing perspective for its analysis. Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2017 19:33 utc | 6 bad post, ben. You broke the right border by an overlong URL on only the fourth post. Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 12 2017 19:36 utc | 7 If you want to see more films about how jolly Afghanistan was in the 1950s, watch the beginning of Adam Curtis’ 2015 documentary Bitter Lake. The URL I had for it has had it deleted, but you can watch it on the BBC i-player. Only if you’re not in UK, you have to spoof a location there, as non-UK people aren’t allowed. Spoofing does work in that case. Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 12 2017 19:47 utc | 9 @ 7: Right, the pictures are all staged and faked. Here’s more on Afghanistan..:) Posted by: ben | Jul 12 2017 19:48 utc | 10 CarlD @3– Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2017 20:03 utc | 11 It’s very instructive to compare the treatment of Lula in Brasil with that of Temer. Lula was just convicted of corruption and sentenced to nine years in prison. Posted by: WorldBLee | Jul 12 2017 20:06 utc | 12 1. Ralph Peters unhinged on Tucker Carlson while discussing Syria/Russia, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i772m4UdadE 12 minutes of fun but I could only watch it once. Neocon lunatics are not used to being challenged. Carlson’s calm demeanor made Peters look even more deranged because of his inappropriate responses.
Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jul 12 2017 20:39 utc | 13 re 10 Posted by: Laguerre | Jul 12 2017 20:57 utc | 14 Documentation and physical evidence: Diplomatic flights are being used to arm terrorists. Posted by: Liveload | Jul 12 2017 21:11 utc | 15 Can’t see there being a war against North Korea, if one was to start the 12 million population of Seoul would need to be evacuated, if, in the unlikely event that happened, war might follow. A war against Iran is also unlikely, Saudi Arabia and Israel would fight to the last American serviceman, but Iran is far too strong, and getting stronger, plus they have the backing of Russia. Those 3 aircraftcarriers off North Korea several weeks ago was just a show of willy waving. As with the evacuation of Seoul, all the US fleet in and around the Gulf would need to sail to safer areas, outside the range of the formidable Iranian missiles. Europe would not be onside either. Posted by: harrylaw | Jul 12 2017 21:37 utc | 16 karlof1 @ 6 referenced John Bellamy Foster’s “Revolution and Counterrevolution, 1917–2017. It’s definitely worth checking out. These are the last two paragraphs from the opening:
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 12 2017 21:56 utc | 17 I found this incredibly insightful. https://phibetaiota.net/2017/04/special-catherine-austin-fitts-on-donald Posted by: Penelope | Jul 13 2017 0:36 utc | 18 Christian Chuba @ 13, What an interesting link. I spose everybody knows by now that the fake Syrian chemattack took place on the very day that EU approved Nord Stream II to bring Russian gas to Germany. It was predictable that it would be approved, thus allowing preparation of fake attack. Posted by: Penelope | Jul 13 2017 1:37 utc | 19 harrylaw @16, of course we are assuming that TPTB care about killing people– well, I spose they do care about the bad PR. Posted by: Penelope | Jul 13 2017 1:39 utc | 20 Excerpt from Wm Engdahl: Posted by: Penelope | Jul 13 2017 1:55 utc | 21 19 Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2017 2:17 utc | 22 add to 21 Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2017 2:22 utc | 23 @21 Somebody is spreading fake news?? Remove the log from your eye before criticising others for the splinter in their eyes. Posted by: Køn | Jul 13 2017 3:15 utc | 24 Started reading Washington’s Long War on Syria recently and thought it might be of interest to MoA regulars. It traces the history of Syrian Ba’athism and the Syrian Arab Republic and contrasts its constitutionally mandated goals (in short: keeping Syria and its people united as a secular nation independent of imperialistic foreign powers, resisting imperialist and Zionist attempts to subjugate Arabs and offering a model of Arab unity based on nationhood rather than religion or subservience to an absolute monarch or dictator) to the United States’ stated goals of destroying independent Syria, and all other likeminded nations, and forcing them into a world order controlled by Washington and its sponsors. Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Jul 13 2017 4:32 utc | 25 Trump administration run by Zionists, for Zionists: Analyst — PressTV — 7/11/17 Posted by: blues | Jul 13 2017 4:53 utc | 26 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 13 2017 5:36 utc | 27 Chris Wray? @ Temporarily Sane #24 Posted by: guidoamm | Jul 13 2017 6:37 utc | 29 b – i look forward to your next post.. no hurry!! Posted by: james | Jul 13 2017 7:02 utc | 30 Amerika is not a democracy. Last Novembers shit shower underlines this basic fact. That a country of over 300 million can wittle down to a simple binary choice between a turd sandwich and an orangutan! And then handing the reigns of power to the candidate that was unequivocally the least popular (lost the pop vote) for the second time in 20 years! The widespread voter disenfranchisement (normal democracies allow ex-cons to vote), the gerrymandering, the pathetic participation rates, the carte blanche for moneyed interests to flood the media with partisan messages and so on. Posted by: Køn | Jul 13 2017 8:02 utc | 31 CIA controls Afghanistan to control OPIUM trade. Posted by: Thucydides | Jul 13 2017 8:04 utc | 32 Posted by: Mina | Jul 13 2017 8:26 utc | 33 Collapse of Complex Societies by Dr. Joseph Tainter Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 13 2017 8:48 utc | 34 Penelope @ 18 Posted by: john | Jul 13 2017 11:10 utc | 35 Posted by: Køn | Jul 13, 2017 4:02:19 AM | 30 Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2017 12:07 utc | 36 Patrick Cockburn, “Counting the Dead in Mosul”
The article does say that the snipers would heard civilians into the buildings but counted on gratuitous use of coalition air power to increase civilian deaths. This rings true to me. According to most articles linked by wikipedia, 8,000 is a conservative estimate for the total number of civilian deaths in Mosul to defeat about 4,000 ISIS fighters. Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jul 13 2017 13:38 utc | 37 @Køn 30 Posted by: Mataman | Jul 13 2017 13:56 utc | 38 Mataman Posted by: john | Jul 13 2017 14:44 utc | 39 @ Karlof1 Posted by: CarlD | Jul 13 2017 15:05 utc | 40 @25 blues Posted by: Grieved | Jul 13 2017 15:33 utc | 41 Light relief .. / ..right margin broken.. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 13 2017 15:38 utc | 42 Trump have travelled to France, Macron have earlier threatened Syria with attacks, and so have Trump, and what they will talk about is Syria. Will we see attacks on Syria coming days? weeks? Posted by: Anon | Jul 13 2017 15:39 utc | 43 37
Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2017 15:41 utc | 44 COMMUNISM = JUDAISM: https://youtu.be/-iU9kf2EHJw Posted by: Freespirit | Jul 13 2017 15:41 utc | 45 Pepe Escobar updates us on the level of China’s involvement in Syria’s reconstruction as several major events just occurred, but he seems pessimistic regarding the level of peace Syria will attain once Daesh is defeated, http://www.atimes.com/article/new-silk-road-will-go-syria/ Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2017 15:43 utc | 46 @24 Temporarily Sane Posted by: Tobin Paz | Jul 13 2017 18:22 utc | 47 According to Zio-Jazeera, during the Trump-Micron love-in, Micron’s Napoleon Complex caused him to propose a plan for unspecified diplomats to draw up a roadmap for Syria’s future. Confirming, perhaps, that the French who voted for Micron as Warmonger-in-Chief, got stiffed more comprehensively than the Yankees who voted for Trump. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 13 2017 18:34 utc | 48 @47 hoarsewhisper… yeah – france is fucked.. i mentioned that a moment ago on the new thread.. Posted by: james | Jul 13 2017 18:48 utc | 49 Good backgrounder on what’s driving American foreign policy in the Middle East: Posted by: nonsense factory | Jul 13 2017 18:53 utc | 50 @ Hoarsewhisper #48 Posted by: Yul | Jul 13 2017 20:16 utc | 51 Syria and China Silk Road investment Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 13 2017 21:56 utc | 52 Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 13, 2017 5:56:31 PM | 52 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 14 2017 5:45 utc | 53 Tucker Carlson takes on another hysterical anti-russian-trump democrat…that have no evidence at all for what he’s claiming! Posted by: Anonynous | Jul 14 2017 9:47 utc | 54 Hey b, I asked you for your address to send a contribution but I’ve been so busy with work, I haven’t had a chance to take care of it. Posted by: mischi | Jul 14 2017 14:49 utc | 55 The Revolutionary Distemper in Syria That Wasn’t, by Gowans. (Tobin @ 47 recommended it.) Hmmm. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 14 2017 15:39 utc | 56 News is that Russia plan to kick out US diplomats, close compounds in return for the same US move last year. Posted by: Anonynous | Jul 14 2017 17:44 utc | 57 @57 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 14 2017 18:02 utc | 58 hopehely Posted by: Anonynous | Jul 14 2017 18:29 utc | 59 @59 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 14 2017 19:28 utc | 60 hophely Posted by: Anonynous | Jul 14 2017 20:31 utc | 61 – The war in Afghanistan can not be won. The goal is supposedly to defeat the afghan Taliban. But there’s a problem. The US occupation force in Afghanistan needs (A LOT OF) supplies that must be transported by road into Afghanistan. But the US military doesn’t control enough roads in Afghanistan. And to get those supplies into the country the US needs to pay off/bribe those same warlords/Taliban. The moment the US army starts to attack the Taliban/warlords those supply lines will be severed/cut. Leaving the US army “hanging out to dry”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 15 2017 21:53 utc | 62 – Gareth Porter: Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 15 2017 22:28 utc | 63 – Trump is hinting at abandoning the US military base in Qatar ?????????????? Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 15 2017 23:36 utc | 64 An interesting article in RT on some hacked US Department of State files. Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 16 2017 1:34 utc | 65 About EU and Nord Stream pipelines: pipelines are regulated by EU in a very politicized way, BUT what is EU? Does poor little Germany have any influence over that wicked behemoth? It so happens that it does. EU works like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in old days: rules have to be decided by consensus, and that works only when intimidation works. Germany is the largest net contributor to the budget of EU, and it can veto the union’s budget and thus nix the subsidies for developing the poor regions, including Poland and the Baltics. The result is that when Germany needs a pipeline, it is OK, but if Italy or Greece would like to have one, nope. Similarly with Finns, Swedes and Danes protesting the pipeline. They could protest effectively, but they are dominated by the Germans, a bit like Australia, New Zealand and Canada is dominated by USA — in part, it is a matter of common culture. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 16 2017 2:09 utc | 66 @Piotr Berman: Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 16 2017 18:22 utc | 67 You got pulled into a Baxter Dmitri hoax regarding Haiti—the person was subpoenaed for his own corruption, and had no ties to Clinton that are known. Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 16 2017 21:47 utc | 68 Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 15, 2017 7:36:25 PM | 64 Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2017 0:17 utc | 69 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 15, 2017 10:09:04 PM | 66 Posted by: somebody | Jul 17 2017 0:49 utc | 70 This info is not from a horrible Nazi Hollycaust denier, but a member of the Knesset! Posted by: ruralito | Jul 18 2017 16:52 utc | 71 @45 you’re a fool playing into the Zionists’ hands whether you know it or not. They love the anti-Djew; it gives them nourishment. Posted by: ruralito | Jul 18 2017 17:03 utc | 72 Quite impressive Russia Deploys Terminator-2 in Syria: Unique Weapon with no Analogues in the World Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 19 2017 2:29 utc | 73 Thucydides @32, You’re certainly right about the US motive of drugs in its Afghani and other foreign policy. Just like the British Empire, they just can’t find enough money to fill all their totalitarian needs. Posted by: Penelope | Jul 20 2017 1:11 utc | 74 John @35, Interesting that Catherine says the 9-11 collapse signature not consistent w explosives. She clearly thinks it was an arranged event, so I wonder if she subscribes to a small nuke or what? Posted by: Penelope | Jul 20 2017 1:24 utc | 75 @Penelope Some say The “Jewish” Conspiracy is British Imperialism Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 20 2017 3:27 utc | 76 – Glenn Greenwald: “With New D.C. Policy Group, Dems Continue to Rehabilitate and Unify With Bush-Era Neocons” Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 20 2017 14:18 utc | 77 Empire watch theorom 1 says Posted by: denk | Jul 22 2017 3:39 utc | 78 Richard Nixon, Posted by: denk | Jul 23 2017 2:09 utc | 79 Indians are attacking Chinese business now, might even turn into Posted by: denk | Jul 23 2017 16:50 utc | 80 I just saw/read this Naomi Klein interview by Spiegel online and wanted to share. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 24 2017 4:38 utc | 81 After 1 year of investigation with Zero evidence being found, Chuck Schumer just stated that “Democrats should blame ourselves,not Russia.” Posted by: Anon | Jul 24 2017 12:04 utc | 82 – Details of Ivanka’s income have been revealed: Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 24 2017 20:43 utc | 83 Mueller russian probe: Meet the lawyers who gave $$ to Hillary, now investigating team Trump Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2017 22:31 utc | 84 |
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