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June 30, 2017
Open Thread 2017-26
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Hi everyone, Posted by: lex.talionis | Jun 30 2017 17:54 utc | 1 @Lex. Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 30 2017 18:26 utc | 2 Russia is uniquely hated, they get boutique articles to show that they are rotten to the core. Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 30 2017 18:28 utc | 3 Repost: Posted by: chet380 | Jun 30 2017 18:31 utc | 4 Ex-Weapons Inspector: Trump’s Sarin Claims Built on ‘Lie’ by Scott Ritter – http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/ex-weapons-inspector-trumps-sarin-claims-built-on-lie/ @4 chet… israel is now al nusra/al qaeda air force.. that is part of it.. Posted by: james | Jun 30 2017 18:37 utc | 6 i agree h.. i posted it on the previous thread too.. thanks.. Posted by: james | Jun 30 2017 18:37 utc | 7 1] Caniabalizing their own: Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Your Friend. https://jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party Posted by: Rawdawgbuffalo | Jun 30 2017 18:42 utc | 8 Two more articles folks might be interested in – Yeah, James @7, Ritter nails it! Puts the entire drivel of the OPCW Report to shame as it should! I don’t like Liars… @3, Chris Chuba
Thank you for the link, enjoyed it thoroughly (I am not being facetious)–a great summary of the “intellectual” level of those who count themselves “elites” in the West. It is like, if to imagine, debating children. Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Jun 30 2017 19:39 utc | 13 Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 30, 2017 2:28:05 PM | 3
I guess by ‘we’ you refer to you Americans. Posted by: hopehely | Jun 30 2017 20:28 utc | 14 Chwt380 @ 4: Posted by: Jen | Jun 30 2017 20:52 utc | 15 Christian Chuba @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Jun 30 2017 21:05 utc | 16 I don’t know what it’s like elsewhere, but open a small business today in the US. See if you can borrow cheap money to open your small business. The banker will laugh at you. They only lend money to people who don’t need it. Maybe a home equity loan. Chances are you’ll be competing with established big box stores open seven days 8AM to 9PM. They’ve already got all your customers coming to them. And your rent in a shopping center will eat up all your profits. It is a very difficult proposition. Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 30 2017 21:22 utc | 17
Point taken hopehely. Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 30 2017 21:23 utc | 18 Christian Chuba @ 18: Posted by: Jen | Jun 30 2017 21:49 utc | 19 With all our discussions of events in Syria, the deep state and the MIC one significant player has not recently been in the spotlight: Wall Street. In some historical research I did recently I always had to ask the question, where is Wall Street (or the City of London) and what is its role in what is happening? As we spend endless time discussing movements in T2 in Syria perhaps that is exactly where they would like the focus of our attentions to be, and not on them. In the case of Qatar, the recent astonishing attack from its neighbours and fellow sponsors of Jihadists would seem to have come from nowhere. That is, until we discover Qatar has been taking its first shaky steps away from the petrodollar. Posted by: Lochearn | Jun 30 2017 22:00 utc | 20 Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jun 30, 2017 5:23:11 PM | 18
Ah, that’s easy. Just listen to this while writing. Or to this. Posted by: hopehely | Jun 30 2017 22:05 utc | 21 h 5 Posted by: Curtis | Jun 30 2017 22:08 utc | 22 #10 and others Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 30 2017 22:16 utc | 23 ” Global leadership is part of US foreign policy DNA, according to former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger” now everyone knows what they probably already knew… this jackass loves flattering and worse the americans while being hated by pretty well everyone else on the planet for good reason… a complete warmonger and jackass of the first order, still not held accountable for any of his actions – another 24/7 american thang… Posted by: james | Jun 30 2017 22:23 utc | 24 The map at liveuamap on 10-April showed an interesting change a day later. What was a spidery Daesh infestation mostly along roads, became a huge land area: 11-April. Posted by: koala | Jun 30 2017 23:04 utc | 25 I see the desert hawks are back in the game, joining with Tiger forces to clear the east Hama/Homs pocket. Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 30 2017 23:57 utc | 26 Looks like early this week, ‘someone’ pulled the floor out from under US financial markets. From time to time, DC needs a ‘gentle reminder’ that it can’t do as it pleases unilaterally…not in 2017. Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 0:01 utc | 27 I find it amusing how there’s so much talk about supposed Russian-Turkish negotiations on an S-400 sale, such as here. Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 0:03 utc | 28 Well jo6pac @23 – I’m not at sure what you may be suggesting regarding my post BUT if it has anything to do with my suggestion for the worldwide community to organize and inundate the leadership on Capitol Hill, might I suggest to you, the heavy lifting of getting rid of the massive squid-sucking military industrial complex rooted in Washington DC isn’t just ‘our’ problem it is the world’s problem. Smuks 28 Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 1 2017 0:08 utc | 30 For all the haters of us ugly americans, just remember that we at this blog are suffering in our country standing up for the truth, pitted against our neighbors, coworkers, and friends in the arena of political debate and decrying the massive injustice of our foreign aggression. I won’t call ya out by name, but lumping us forlorn sacks into your “untouchable” category reeks of reactionary arrogance that is, to pay patrons at this fine blog their due, beneath you. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 1 2017 0:21 utc | 31 Amen @31 @Peter AU Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 0:41 utc | 33 NemesisCalling | Jun 30, 2017 8:21:54 PM | 31 Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 1 2017 0:49 utc | 34 @Nemesis Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 0:50 utc | 35 @ Nemesis and all, Posted by: lex.talionis | Jul 1 2017 1:14 utc | 36 I too am an American that is awake. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jul 1 2017 1:38 utc | 37 smuks | Jun 30, 2017 8:41:30 PM | 33 Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 1 2017 3:07 utc | 38 Germany approves sale of nuclear-capable submarines to Israel: Report
the german mic seems to be doing just fine. making sure israel has the ability to launch thermonuclear weapons in the middle east. this will make 8 of them. Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2017 4:01 utc | 39 @39
that one in the pipeline makes 9 altogether. and the german government financed 1/3 of this project. Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2017 4:05 utc | 40 jfl Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 1 2017 4:35 utc | 41 jfl Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 1 2017 4:45 utc | 42 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 1 2017 5:02 utc | 43 …or to put it another way, how many F35s could one buy for the price of one 747? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 1 2017 5:12 utc | 44 the dogs of war are barking Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 1 2017 5:49 utc | 45 @39 jfl Posted by: stumpy | Jul 1 2017 6:10 utc | 46 @smuks | 28 Posted by: AtaBrit | Jul 1 2017 8:25 utc | 48 @ Jen #16 Posted by: guidoamm | Jul 1 2017 12:32 utc | 49 @ Lochearn #20 Posted by: guidoamm | Jul 1 2017 12:40 utc | 50 Now I can see why Russia has abandoned the information war, they view it as a hopeless waste of resources that they can never match. – Christian at 3. Posted by: Noirette | Jul 1 2017 16:20 utc | 51 Re: @16 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1 2017 16:33 utc | 52 @Peter AU, AtaBrit Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 17:26 utc | 53 Said above Posted by: 5votes_for 527 | Jul 1 2017 17:38 utc | 54 From Russia Insider: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 1 2017 17:48 utc | 55 @55 ftb
the first is – typical of russian insider, as of a many others – an unsourced assertion. might be true. might not be true. can’t even assess the odds from the assertion. Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2017 18:33 utc | 56 @54 5votes, ‘Until the form of governments known as Republics (and or top down dictatorships) are outlawed .. nothing will or can change.’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2017 18:45 utc | 57 @51 noirette, ‘No. 1. contrast is the USA, where time is annihilated in favor of an ever-ongoing present in which anything goes and all things can change very rapidly, by the day even – seeing to it that no coherent history, narrative, exists, and thus no future goals can be imagined, constructed, agreed on, and then acted on.’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 1 2017 18:57 utc | 58 @ 56 jfl Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 1 2017 19:04 utc | 59 There’s a line that goes: “it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything.” What percentage of yanks on food stamps will it take for people to rise up..or, has Empire found the new American dream…? Posted by: MadMax2 | Jul 1 2017 20:04 utc | 60 A story I haven’t seen anywhere other than The Duran deals with the many numerous, recently so, death threats made via social media toward Julian Assange, http://theduran.com/julian-assange-names-and-shames-individuals-sending-him-death-threats/ Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 1 2017 21:37 utc | 61 @ftb, jfl Posted by: smuks | Jul 1 2017 23:18 utc | 62 @62 ftp
i don’t routinely follow either zerohedge or rt … the report’s 5 or 6 days old now. haven’t seen it elsewhere. Posted by: jfl | Jul 2 2017 3:11 utc | 63 @ 66 Posted by: Philippe | Jul 2 2017 3:32 utc | 64 @ Philippe | Jul 1, 2017 11:32:06 PM | 68 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2 2017 4:26 utc | 65 @65 ftb Posted by: smuks | Jul 2 2017 12:13 utc | 66 I was checking on previous naval collisions, and this is interesting. A cruiser passed by a supertanker in the Straight of Hormuz and only then they have seen another supertankers sailing in the opposite direction. Totally unexpected, right?* The point seems to be that some Navy captains wanted to pilot fighter planes and since that did not happen, try to pilot ships in the same style. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 2 2017 15:25 utc | 67 @ Piotr Berman | Jul 2, 2017 11:25:43 AM | 72 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2 2017 16:18 utc | 68 Although the reporting is confusing type of vessel, this, if correct in substance, isn’t promising. From Sputnik news: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2 2017 16:56 utc | 69 A thought on the ms vs cs; the ms had just had about $12 million in upgrades and I remember reading something about the ms had deployed a sea anchor prior to the collision. Could it be that the ms was blind, or possibly even dead in water at the time of the collision? I recall when Trump had “3” ships supposedly steaming to SK that one had to return to home port because the upgrades it had recently received were on the Fritz. Just a thought. Posted by: frances | Jul 2 2017 21:34 utc | 70 @75 frances Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 3 2017 0:23 utc | 71 Formerly T-Bear | Jul 2, 2017 12:56:37 PM | 74 Posted by: Peter AU | Jul 3 2017 0:53 utc | 72 @ Peter AU | Jul 2, 2017 8:53:00 PM | 77 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 3 2017 1:30 utc | 73 Michaelj72 (45) notes ‘the dogs of war are barking’. Indeed they are and Canada’s Minister of Global Affairs Chrystia Freeland is among them. Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 3 2017 5:43 utc | 74 Iran remembers US downing of passenger plane
George H.W. Bush is an American politician who was the 41st President of the United States from 1989 to 1993
the applause is the measure, not just of bush’s depravity – he was vice-president when walker shot the airliner down and he was president when walker was awarded the Legion of Merit for doing so, but also of the depravity of all those in his audience in the video, and of all of us who did not denounce his award and his statement. that a man can run for president on the basis of past criminal acts of the country is just one more characteristic of us exceptional people. Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2017 6:44 utc | 75 Saudi led-bloc extends Qatar demands deadline by 48 hours Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2017 7:03 utc | 76 @80
‘likely provoked the sea battle with the Iranian gunboats that preceded the shootdown.’ Posted by: jfl | Jul 3 2017 8:17 utc | 77 @ 80 – 82 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 3 2017 8:40 utc | 78 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 3 2017 15:58 utc | 79 According to Trumps’s tweeting past days, hes been talking with saudiarabia, and alot of nato members, is he planning another war on Syria? Posted by: Anon | Jul 3 2017 16:25 utc | 80 @79 john gilberts.. coming from the ukee nazi Chrystia Freeland – that is rich! Posted by: james | Jul 3 2017 16:33 utc | 81 Coincidence ? Posted by: ProPeace | Jul 4 2017 1:59 utc | 82 Here’s a new one for me. Posted by: JSonofa | Jul 4 2017 3:35 utc | 83 Macron speaks to assembled houses of French parliament in Versailles
are the french going to lie down for this? it seems they are. fascism is on the march, unopposed, worldwide. Posted by: jfl | Jul 4 2017 7:39 utc | 84 REPORT: Jared, Ivanka, Conway, Dina Powell Spotted at Hamptons Party with Soros, Schumer, Fake News Journos Posted by: Anonyoums | Jul 4 2017 8:04 utc | 85 I am sure some of you will dream it happens one day to a number of US pundits!! Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2017 8:23 utc | 86 I was surprised at Somebody’s link about Qatar closing the Israeli commercial representation. The answer is, never trust Wikipedia when it comes to the Gulf Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2017 8:47 utc | 87 92 Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2017 8:58 utc | 88 93) Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2017 9:17 utc | 89 not about Hamas but about the Israeli diplomatic representation Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2017 9:20 utc | 90 Since when does Israel hates Hamas? they’ve created it and they are the best assets of their own fundamentalists. Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2017 9:21 utc | 91 plus 94
Posted by: somebody | Jul 4 2017 9:40 utc | 92 100,000 persons have crossed the Mediterranean, mainly to Italy, in the first 6 months of 2017. The EU has no clue about what to do. The MSM value their add budget so much that they can’t talk about the wars in Africa, the number 1 cause of the refugee crisis. Posted by: Mina | Jul 4 2017 10:53 utc | 93 @98 mina
juncker takes it personally, but the meps weren’t so much bailing on his speech as they were bailing on the refugees and on italy. 250 groups of three monkeys … see no refugees, hear no refugees, say nothing about the refugees. Posted by: jfl | Jul 4 2017 22:21 utc | 94
margaret kimberley hits the nail on the head, as usual. Posted by: jfl | Jul 5 2017 4:43 utc | 95 Iran Air #655, July 3, 1988 Posted by: HD | Jul 5 2017 6:23 utc | 96 Riyadh major foreign sponsor of extremism in UK: Think tank
haven’t found the report at the hjs website, or elsewhere.
confirmation that mbs has been setup by the us / uk / il and their cia / mi6 / mossad? they’ve come out now because there’s no chance in hell that t. may will release the report d. cameron ordered in 2015? Posted by: jfl | Jul 5 2017 8:44 utc | 97 Total’s deal bares Europe-US split on Iran
it looks like it’s the us that’s going to be isolated in iran, and in russia, and everywhere else the neocons ‘sanction’. Posted by: jfl | Jul 5 2017 11:43 utc | 98 Total’s deal bares Europe-US split on Iran
if ‘Russia is one of the major forces in the international and regional arena’ as ‘Secretary General of the League of Arab States Ahmed Aboul Gheit said at talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Wednesday,’ then perhaps syria’s seat at the arab league will be filled once again? Posted by: jfl | Jul 5 2017 11:50 utc | 99 @ 104 jfl Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jul 5 2017 12:28 utc | 100 |
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