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June 15, 2017
Open Thread 2017-23
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What do those with a higher “military planning IQ” than mine think about the new deployment of US multiple rocket launchers to Syria? Posted by: spudski | Jun 15 2017 18:12 utc | 1 There’s a link ( “will be unlistenable”)) in the original. Hilarious!! Posted by: juannie | Jun 15 2017 18:27 utc | 2 @1 spudski… bad sign… more of same… endless war seems to be written into all of these kinds of actions.. Posted by: james | Jun 15 2017 18:35 utc | 3 Re. my post #2 which was preceded by a post that didn’t pass the spam filter. Posted by: juannie | Jun 15 2017 18:40 utc | 4 Re: spudski @1 Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 15 2017 19:20 utc | 5 Here’s Escobar’s latest for those who missed this when I first posted it, http://www.atimes.com/article/blood-tracks-new-silk-roads/ Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2017 19:45 utc | 7 Re: spudski @1 Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Jun 15 2017 19:56 utc | 8 RE: Spudski Posted by: Huey Long | Jun 15 2017 20:31 utc | 9 The New Cold War is here to stay. U.S. Senate votes 97-2 (the two no votes were Republicans) to strengthen “existing sanctions and would allow Congress to thwart any presidential effort to curtail sanctions without congressional approval.” Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 15 2017 20:50 utc | 10 Re: Mike Maloney | Jun 15, 2017 4:50:47 PM | 10 Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 15 2017 20:56 utc | 11 By now no one should be saying “even” Bernie Sanders. Yes, I know it’s a horrible horrible horrible conspiracy theory to say this, and therefor to be outlawed and disgraced, but Sanders is a case of what is called “controlled opposition”. Posted by: paul | Jun 15 2017 21:28 utc | 12 MM @10– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2017 21:32 utc | 13 #1 Posted by: et Al | Jun 15 2017 22:04 utc | 14 @10 Posted by: sleepy | Jun 15 2017 22:09 utc | 15 Grefell tower fire a sign of british social divide Posted by: brian | Jun 15 2017 22:19 utc | 16 Although I consider myself too old to take advantage, I’m fascinated with Russia’s Homesteading program in its Far East, and that topic took considerable time in Putin’s annual conference. While I won’t post the entire discussion, I will post this rather revealing fact as stated by Putin: “There is enough unused land in Russia. For example, over 43 million hectares of farmland is not being used for its intended purpose. This is a huge amount.” Once the bugs are worked out of the program in the Far East, it will be applied to all of Russia–that entire 43 million hectares of farmland plus non-farmlands. Given what’s likely to happen climatologically, Russia would be a sensible place to migrate, and Russia cares for its citizens like no other nation, as one can easily learn from reading the transcript. The discussion related to my comment begins about 1/8th down the page, http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54790 Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2017 22:33 utc | 17 Posted by: Chauncey Gardiner | Jun 15 2017 23:30 utc | 18 Andre Vltchek’s documentary, Rwanda Gambit, is now available. Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 15 2017 23:34 utc | 19 It is important to get the Armies of the Pentagon/NATO stuck in Afghanistan. It is the best place to grind them to dust the coming 10 years. It is also one of the FEW places the CIA actually produces something with tremendous profits: heroin. They use all those American military bases around the world to spread it. So Afghanistan is the best place to defeat the armies of Rothschild (London bankers). Posted by: Thucydides | Jun 15 2017 23:37 utc | 20 @17 karlof, ‘Although I consider myself too old to take advantage, I’m fascinated with Russia’s Homesteading program in its Far East …’
… are you russian? is there some sort of ‘right of return’ to russia that would enable you to take advantage of this homesteading program? Posted by: jfl | Jun 15 2017 23:50 utc | 21 I suppose one could emigrate to Russia and apply for and receive citizenship, whereupon one would become eligible for the gift of one hectare. Surely that process could be expedited by one entering into marriage with a Russian national. No gay marriages though, apparently. Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 16 2017 0:55 utc | 22 @1, 3, 5, 8, 9 et al
This is the caliber of the US generals. It is almost – but not quite – beyond belief. Posted by: Grieved | Jun 16 2017 1:10 utc | 23 @20 Posted by: smuks | Jun 16 2017 1:10 utc | 24 As a follow-on to my @19, I see that Vltchek has been in contact with Christopher Black. Hopefully he can correct the errors in that documentary… Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 16 2017 1:24 utc | 25 There’s an upside to the destruction of USA equipment. The contractors get more money to make more equipment. That’s how USA weapons manufacturing works. Lots of money goes into crony capitalists pockets. Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 16 2017 1:47 utc | 26 It looks like the truth about Aleppo “Dusty Boy” in the Ambulance used as propaganda is getting out … but not in US MSM. Those of us who followed the White Helmets BS knew it all along. Posted by: Curtis | Jun 16 2017 1:51 utc | 27 @23 Grieved, I posted on the Syria thread the reason may be to keep open a possible corridor of invasion from KSA via Jordan.. Now regarding your comment on the dismal state of strategic thinking at the Pentagon, why would you want it to improve? Are not the oppressed nations of the world finallly in a position to remove the shackles from the Empire? I for one see this as an opportunity while you see it as a reversal.. Posted by: Lozion | Jun 16 2017 1:55 utc | 28 @ 23 and 28, Posted by: lysander | Jun 16 2017 2:45 utc | 29 @28 Lozion Posted by: Grieved | Jun 16 2017 2:54 utc | 30 CG @ 18: Thanks for the link. Hope the American public watches the Stone interview with Putin. It may change a mind or two. It should be scheduled on MSM, but, it is, after all, the U$A, and god forbid someone actually provide REAL information to the masses. That’s assuming anyone cares enough to watch it. Posted by: ben | Jun 16 2017 3:17 utc | 31 @15 You mistate/misunderstood: “There was a simultaneous vote…” There was not.
@10 is correct: they’re all in… Posted by: rickee | Jun 16 2017 4:47 utc | 33 It is coming. Posted by: endoftime | Jun 16 2017 5:57 utc | 34 @23 grieved.. thanks for that.. no confusion on this end… Posted by: james | Jun 16 2017 6:35 utc | 35 daily us press briefing thursday june 15th.. Posted by: james | Jun 16 2017 6:47 utc | 36 Congo Kinshasa and the ongoing massacres in Kassai Posted by: Mina | Jun 16 2017 8:18 utc | 37 Looking at the fire in London, sprinklers must have gone on the blink, I start to wonder if MI5 MI6 are doing a cleanup. Where are the award winning white helmets when you need them.. Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 16 2017 8:32 utc | 38 What the MSM described as just another bombing.. but Paris is more glamour than Mogadicio Posted by: Mina | Jun 16 2017 10:00 utc | 39 | @ Grieved | Jun 15, 2017 9:10:10 PM | 23 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16 2017 10:17 utc | 40 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-baghdadi-idUSKBN1970O2 Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 16 2017 10:37 utc | 41 What should be distressing is the revelation of gross political incompetence now being on display in the White House. For the president to assign ANY military officer whatever their status to fill a civilian position borders on treason to their oath of office, both of the military officer AND the political official. Had a military officer run for public office and been selected by the public is an entirely different matter. For the president to abdicate his constitutional responsibility and assign control of the military to the military should be adequate grounds for removal from office and all public office, preferably by political process, but removal is a must even with the eviscerated condition of the constitution apparent. Removal of public funding for the executive may be the only way to evict a malfeasant president since Congress is profoundly and hopelessly compromised by corruption. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 16 2017 11:41 utc | 42 Thanks to karlof1@7 for your links, particularly to the Putin direct line, a readable transcript of the conversations. There was even a question from an American, and a polite one! Best use of the current technology I can think of, and it rather reminds me of the type of surveillance businesses can now practise to keep their workers on the job – only for Russia it is citizens reporting on how government issued funding is being delivered to them – or not! And the visuals sounded particularly appropriate – Putin’s words about the huge garbage dump near Moscow: “People are standing there, and it stinks!” Posted by: juliania | Jun 16 2017 11:49 utc | 43 @43 — “Not only is this stupid artificial cold war disrupting what ought to be happening in this country – ” Posted by: x | Jun 16 2017 12:49 utc | 44 Grieved, #23, #30. Perfectly clear to me. Posted by: Petra | Jun 16 2017 12:49 utc | 45 Trump needs to fire Mueller. The country went through one hell of a time when Ken Starr did that whole useless and unnecessary investigation. Trump, just RIP OFF the band aide and end this stupid prosecutor nonsense. Posted by: Fernando Arauxo | Jun 16 2017 12:50 utc | 46 Peter AU #38. Under Thatcherite-Reaganite “deregulation”, pursued with rigour by Tories and Blairite Labour ever since, sprinkler requirements were revised (downwards) or even entirely removed (schools, e.g.), in the name of free market principles and cost-cutting. Posted by: Petra | Jun 16 2017 12:55 utc | 47 JFL @ 21: Funny how you mention this “right of return” as the Russian Far East includes an area called Birobidzhan, close to the Chinese border and the Trans-Siberian Railway, which Joseph Stalin had set aside for Jewish settlement way back in the 1930s. I don’t think there were very many takers then though. Posted by: Jen | Jun 16 2017 13:15 utc | 48 The USA is playing a game with Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The main aim is to ensure Israel security, US allies security and a solid and continuous presence in the region to discourage Russia’s ambitions. Posted by: virgile | Jun 16 2017 13:23 utc | 49 Johan Meyer ^ . Thank you for drawing attention to Vltchek’s piece on Rwanda. Posted by: Petra | Jun 16 2017 13:29 utc | 50 Why Bernie Sanders is an Imperialist Pig Posted by: ex-SA | Jun 16 2017 13:42 utc | 51 @49 virgile, ‘The USA’s aim is to weaken BOTH Qatar and Saudi Arabia lead group. It wants to have them stop any funding of terrorism be against Israel or against the USA.’ Posted by: jfl | Jun 16 2017 13:44 utc | 52 @51 ex-SA Posted by: jfl | Jun 16 2017 13:47 utc | 53 ex-SA @ 51: Thanks for the link. The Ford article is right on target, and that opinion comes from a supporter of Mr. Sanders. Posted by: ben | Jun 16 2017 14:57 utc | 54 @virgile 49, jfl 52 Posted by: smuks | Jun 16 2017 14:59 utc | 55 @Mina Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 16 2017 15:44 utc | 56 @49 virgile / @52 jfl / @55 smuks.. seems more like israels goal then the usa’s goal… i suppose it is the usa’s goal in so far as the usa is always looking after israels goals… outside of that, if there ever was a thought of the usa getting its head out of israels ass, it would be a good time now.. i don’t think that is going to go down with us congress and politicians though… they are too beholden to israel.. Posted by: james | Jun 16 2017 15:53 utc | 57 @james 57 Posted by: smuks | Jun 16 2017 16:37 utc | 58 “@james 57
It would hardly exist as a phrase were there no examples of Tails wagging the Dogs. Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Jun 16 2017 16:54 utc | 59 1] Stephen Gowans in Vancouver: A Public Forum on Syria Posted by: Rawdawgbuffalo | Jun 16 2017 17:26 utc | 60 jfl @21– Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2017 18:38 utc | 61 In my local paper, which does all the cat ’n rabbit shows and new restaurants, today’s international articles were quite informative. One was the Sauds implementing sin taxes and tax on expats, Eng: Posted by: Noirette | Jun 16 2017 19:10 utc | 62 The issue of the fire in London is having more traction than one might imagine. There was a riot outside the local municipality today. Very unusual in Britain. May can’t cope with the public, and only meets people in protected circumstances. Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 16 2017 20:49 utc | 63 May I slightliy misuse this space again. Here a comment about Helmut Kohl who died today, I posted in the ARD-Tagesschau, which was blocked (in german): Posted by: Pnyx | Jun 16 2017 21:02 utc | 64 Re: sprinklers in the Glenfell Tower — I just read a bit, where I cannot recall, that said tenants were told by the managers of the building that sprinklers were not necessary as each apartment would be self contained and fire in one could not spread easily to other apts. Posted by: jawbone | Jun 16 2017 21:49 utc | 65 Noirette 62 Posted by: Curtis | Jun 16 2017 22:22 utc | 66 Interested in non-hydrocarbon energy? May be a way to rip control of a sector of energy away from Big Oil & Gas. See http://kohilowind.com/kohilo-wind-vortex-tech/ Also http://kohilowind.com/about-kohilo-wind/ A wind turbine w no exterior moving parts; operates at low wind speeds; device comes in various sizes for a home, town, factory. Little maintenance. Made of aluminum, not subject to solar flare or pulse-bomb. Not controlled by the Establishment, apparently. The partners, Derek Grassman & Tom Worseca were on Coast to Coast recently. More on the internet. Posted by: Penelope | Jun 16 2017 23:10 utc | 67
from the outside putin can clearly see the threat to european sovereignty from nato – the fact thereof, actually … and he can see the threat to the united states from the european backlash to the european nations’ loss of severeignty to the us under nato, once that’s perceived, and the same through the eu – and the rump is being very helpful there. the us is sleepwalking right into its own demise, brought about by its own arrogant stupidity … its arrogance ‘will have to cease to exist sooner or later’. and it’s looking to be sooner rather than later. Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 1:23 utc | 68 @65 Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 17 2017 2:02 utc | 69 Penelope 67 Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 17 2017 2:20 utc | 70 CriminalInAction warns, Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2017 3:22 utc | 71 @71 Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 7:20 utc | 72 @68, ‘the us is sleepwalking right into its own demise, brought about by its own arrogant stupidity … its arrogance ‘will have to cease to exist sooner or later’. and it’s looking to be sooner rather than later.’
… remember, you heard it first from vladimir putin … Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 9:28 utc | 73 Seven sailors missing after U.S. Navy destroyer collides with container ship in Japan
and they’re not even at war … yet. Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 10:05 utc | 74 @ jfl | Jun 17, 2017 6:05:58 AM | 74 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 17 2017 12:29 utc | 75 Peter AU 70 Posted by: Curtis | Jun 17 2017 12:40 utc | 76 jfl 72 Posted by: denk | Jun 17 2017 15:30 utc | 77 Posted by: jawbone | Jun 16, 2017 5:49:18 PM | 65 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 17 2017 16:05 utc | 78 ben @54:
Glen Ford is not a supporter of Bernie. He called Bernie a ‘sheepdog’ soon after Bernie announced his primary run.
= = = Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 17 2017 16:06 utc | 79 – US citizens pay a heavy price for all those US foreign wars. As a result of those wars the US Capital Account is pushed deeper into the red. That’s a force that weakens the US Dollar and as a result of the weakening US dollar the price of oil (and other commodities) are being pushed higher. Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 17 2017 18:59 utc | 80 Corporate mass murder in London
how many more council blocks are tinder, waiting to engulf their tenants in a roaring inferno like grenfell? surely there are fire codes for the houses of london’s billionaires. it certainly looks as though grenfell was ‘set up’, purposefully clad in flamable material … what could they have been thinking? what could these tory monsters have been thinking? Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 19:56 utc | 81 21 Homes Heavily Damaged Overnight By Nazi Ukraine Junta Bombing
Stop bombing Donetsk! is any of this even reported outside the pages of novorussia today? Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 20:11 utc | 82 48-Hour Long Truce To Start In Daraa. Syrian Border Guards To Return To Border With Jordan
direct negotiations between the syrian and jordanian governments seems to be the way to go … all along their border. and with the iraqi government as well. Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 20:19 utc | 83 Helmut Kohl, Chancellor Who Reunited Germany, Dies at 87. Posted by: Chauncey Gardiner | Jun 17 2017 20:25 utc | 84 @77, denk, ‘With each new crime going unchallenged by the ‘international community’, Washington is getting more and more reckless these days.’ Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 20:25 utc | 85 The UK broadcaster Channel 4 (C4) News, have hit a new unbelievable low. The White helmets have released a video comparing them selves to the London firefighters, which even by their standards is truly Vomit inducing.
4 hrs · They spend their days pulling people from the rubble of Syria’s bombs, but still their hearts break for London. This is the moving message of solidarity to Britain’s firefighters from the White Helmets To compare White helmet scum to London Firefighters is an insult of the worst sort. Posted by: Just Sayin’ | Jun 17 2017 20:29 utc | 86 Did not know that Hans-Dietrich Genscher died last year. Posted by: Chauncey Gardiner | Jun 17 2017 20:33 utc | 87 @75 ftb Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 20:41 utc | 88 @jfl 81 Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 17 2017 20:56 utc | 89 France and Germany unite against Iraq war
helmut kohl was on-board for bush xli’s iraq war in 1991, but chirac and schröder were not on-board for bush xliii’s iraq war in 2003. Posted by: jfl | Jun 17 2017 21:27 utc | 90 @ jfl | Jun 17, 2017 4:41:16 PM | 88 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 17 2017 21:36 utc | 91 Peter AU @ 70. I know activists have told you that producing power w/o hydrocarbons isn’t a problem, only storing it. But when I have investigated, I’ve always found this to be untrue. Frequently the headline lies, but an indication of the truth may even be present in the article. Neither Wind nor Solar are presently economically feasible absent subsidies– especially when you factor in the cost & life of the devices, natural resources that are used to build them, etc. Posted by: Penelope | Jun 17 2017 22:10 utc | 92 Did you all know that it’s possible for Bank of America’s cash machines to give you a nice receipt showing you’ve withdrawn money– while NOT giving you the cash. It’s the most I was ever trying to withdraw, $800! But Bank of America has deducted $800 from my balance & dispensed NADA. So far I’m unable to get any satisfaction from them. Has anyone else had an experience like this with Bank of America? Posted by: Penelope | Jun 17 2017 22:17 utc | 93 followup @79 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 17 2017 22:46 utc | 94 Penelope 92. Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 17 2017 22:55 utc | 95 Penelope | Jun 17, 2017 6:17:37 PM | 93 Posted by: Chauncey Gardiner | Jun 17 2017 22:57 utc | 96 Hopefully, enough Americans are watching the Putin interviews to change a few minds regarding the anti-Russian propaganda flooding the MSM lately. Posted by: ben | Jun 18 2017 1:03 utc | 98 https://venezuela.liveuamap.com/en/2017/17-june-venezuela-euromaidan-doc-winter-on-fire-is-being Posted by: Peter AU | Jun 18 2017 1:20 utc | 99 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 18 2017 4:14 utc | 100 |
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