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June 3, 2017
Open Thread 2017-21
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The US has gone quiet on North Korea. Posted by: Muslim Dude | Jun 3 2017 18:07 utc | 1 mina posted a link to some pictures and history of the middle east. it is very cool.. thanks mina! Posted by: james | Jun 3 2017 19:01 utc | 3 Syrian Army liberates Maskanah, ISIL expelled from Aleppo
IS is now completely cleaned out of the Allepo governante by the SAA. Posted by: sandra_m | Jun 3 2017 20:48 utc | 5 Sounds like time for Putin to make a quick ‘pieces’ deal with his ‘partners’… Posted by: paul | Jun 3 2017 21:04 utc | 6 #3 those are great reads for sure. Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 3 2017 21:21 utc | 7 De-escalation is holding for “Idlibstan, nothern Homs and East Ghouta, and is sketchy at best in Deraa (near Jordan), and in Badia (desert along Jordanian border) is sketchy as well. SAA and allies stop advancing to Tanf, but presumably they try to create a corridor separating Badia from ISIS controlled territory, to prevent “moderate ISIS elements” from seeking refuge in the south, and the “vetted moderates” of Badia from moving into Deir-ez-Zor province. Nixing the idea of “Sunnistan” in Deir-ez-Zor and Anbar and supplanting it with “Shia corridor” seems in the work. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 3 2017 23:02 utc | 8 @8 cd Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 3 2017 23:06 utc | 9 >>>> MadMax2 | Jun 3, 2017 7:06:18 PM | 10 Posted by: Ghostship | Jun 3 2017 23:47 utc | 10 All I can say is these Times of Tribulation is: Long Live the Resistance: Posted by: Lozion | Jun 3 2017 23:47 utc | 11 Ziad Fadel points to After Riyadh summit, Sunni unity crumbles which informs us that kuwait, qatar, and dubai – the last the most populous of the uae, are none of them on board with the saudi leadership, or anti-iran. and somewhere i encountered a link to the intercept discussing the uae ambassador to the us’ contacts with sheldon adelson’s Foundation for Defense of Democracies. that can’t make him – or the saudi rapprochement with zion – more popular on the arab street. Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 0:40 utc | 12 @12 gs Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 0:45 utc | 13 @8 charles drake – true story. Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2017 0:50 utc | 14 Interesting to see that control of whatever London is has been given to the Police rather than MI5 counter intelligence whose latest excuse appears to be that the change from human intelligence to data capture has left them lost searching for needles in haystacks amongst all the garbage data. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2017 0:53 utc | 15 @14 jfl Posted by: sandra_m | Jun 4 2017 0:59 utc | 16 @17 did Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 1:03 utc | 17 @18 sm Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 1:09 utc | 18 nmb @ 2: Thanks for the link. An excerpt: Posted by: ben | Jun 4 2017 1:27 utc | 20 @21 b – link from 2012
failing in syria, tory terrorists strike back at the infidels at ‘home’. Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 2:06 utc | 21 “Capitalism Literally Harvesting The Blood Of The Young Now – The Zero Hour” Posted by: ben | Jun 4 2017 2:19 utc | 22 https://twitter.com/Larissacostas on the coming Maidan a la Venezuela. Posted by: ruralito | Jun 4 2017 2:30 utc | 23 So Russia signed a deal with Barzani for Kurd oilfields + pipeline to Turkey? Posted by: stumpy | Jun 4 2017 2:40 utc | 24 @14: Well, that’s geography for you. These Gulf States are way too close to Iranian weapons for comfort. They know that if things go badly, they’ll get hit, they can’t do much against it. Sure, it wouldn’t be as bad as a Korean War for Seoul – which is closer to N. Korea and targetted by far more missiles and artillery -, but the damages would still be huge, loss of life (including their own nationals) would be massive, and tourism would be dead. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 4 2017 2:42 utc | 25 What happens today in UK bring me to a recent conversation with Republican (he adopted two Latvian orphan sisters last year). Posted by: OSJ | Jun 4 2017 2:49 utc | 26 We all talk about the problems and we analyse the numbers. Nobody however draws the necessary conclusions. Posted by: guidoamm | Jun 4 2017 3:47 utc | 27 b @ #21– Posted by: Gaianne | Jun 4 2017 3:49 utc | 28 – “Trump tumbles into the Saudi-Israeli trap” (???????????) Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 4 2017 4:25 utc | 29 @B (post #21): it will only strenghten May’s position (more “Law & order”). Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 4 2017 4:27 utc | 30 I was just wondering how Obama gets the reception he gets wherever he goes. He’s treated as a rock star. Posted by: peter | Jun 4 2017 4:29 utc | 31 Washington’s vassal Ph under Duterte pivots towards Russia/China, Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2017 4:47 utc | 32 MI5 & MI6’s radio & TV broadcaster, BBC, have taken the brakes off the propaganda effort. It’s in Full Spectrum Dumbinence mode from now until the election. Listening to BBC Global’s radio coverage of the conflicting witness stories of the latest london bridge ter’rist massacre, this morning, I was wondering why the BBC is broadcasting such confusing on-the-spot stories if not to cause pre-emptive confusion – before the cops decide on an Official Version. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 4 2017 5:01 utc | 33 Cameron clamped down on the British newspapers after the Edward Snowden global surveillance leaks were published in 2014. He specifically threatened the take over of the UK Guardian where a number of the foreign reporters, such as Glenn Greenwald and Nafeez Ahmed, no longer work. Posted by: Les | Jun 4 2017 5:01 utc | 34 peter | Jun 4, 2017 12:29:17 AM | 35 Posted by: V. Arnold | Jun 4 2017 5:29 utc | 35 @Les Posted by: adamski | Jun 4 2017 5:39 utc | 36 I’m not gonna speculate on the motives of who cut up englanders last night. This early in the piece a cui bene case can be made for the tories, but there are also plenty of really angry young brit muslims who cannot see a bigger picture than vengeance who could have decided to ‘martyr’ themselves because they could. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2017 5:41 utc | 37 blues goes to WAR!!! Posted by: blues | Jun 4 2017 6:49 utc | 41 A pretty good summary and introduction to the murder case of alleged DNC leaker Seth Rich: Posted by: Lozion | Jun 4 2017 7:01 utc | 42 Posted by: Willy2 | Jun 4, 2017 12:27:37 AM | 34 Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 7:16 utc | 43 When you try #LondonBridgeAttack, Twitter suggests you might want #LondonBridgeAttack Qatar. Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 7:41 utc | 44 The amazing story of the
Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 7:50 utc | 45 jfl #23 exactly! that’s what Le Drian and the WH inventors failed to understand in the first place: don’t play with ppl who have a tribal mindset coz they understand only revenge. Posted by: Mina | Jun 4 2017 8:44 utc | 46 Just out today June 3, 2017 World is One News. WION examines global issues with in-depth analysis. Dr. Bashar al-Assad. The interviewer was not hostile compared with MSM. Syria has few frens besides Russia Federation, China, Iran and others… India is a fren of Syria. Enjoy. Posted by: OJS | Jun 4 2017 9:00 utc | 47 Bibi special guest of the CEDEAO summit in Liberia today. Morrocan king canceled his visit but sent a representative. Probably just for local consumption. Posted by: Mina | Jun 4 2017 9:02 utc | 48 @50 mina Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 9:12 utc | 49 A curious aspect of the attacks in Britain, both Manchester and London, is that they don’t seem to be having the electoral effects expected. There was no surge for the Conservatives after the Manchester bomb, as one would have expected, and most commenters here said there would be. Rather there has been a drip, drip, drip decline, with the first poll today indicating a lead for the Labour party. The Right must be getting desperate. They’ve played all the security cards, all the wrapping May up in the flag cards, and they haven’t worked. If this turns out to be true (we’ll know soon enough anyway), it could be epoch-making. A post-nationalist election. Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 4 2017 10:40 utc | 50 America’s Liberal Progressive Gleichschaltung. http://wsenmw.blogspot.com/2017/05/americas-liberal-progressive.html Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | Jun 4 2017 11:04 utc | 51 @50 laguerre, ‘the attacks in Britain … don’t seem to be having the electoral effects expected’ Posted by: jfl | Jun 4 2017 11:16 utc | 52 So all in all, we know that 1) these jihadists are homegrown in the UK and other Western countries like France, the Balkans, and so on, 2) backed for shady operations abroad by the Western governments, 3) mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, an ally of the West. Posted by: Lea | Jun 4 2017 11:18 utc | 53 @50: I tend to agree, however Mrs May is most definitely not from ‘the right’ her policy objectives are extremely – anti individual, authoritarian, anti small independent business, pro globalist. She has no charm, no burning message of freedom. Her brexit stance is weak too, she seems to have managed only to give the impression that she is our best hope to ‘make the best of a bad job’ Posted by: Reload | Jun 4 2017 11:22 utc | 54 Another blowback, this is after all the UK that arm and support the same terrorists in the Middle East and Africa. Posted by: Anonyous | Jun 4 2017 11:24 utc | 55 Global Leadership Series: WION interviews Bashar al-Assad Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 4 2017 11:25 utc | 56 @Somebody | 44 Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 4 2017 11:39 utc | 57 Posted by: Reload | Jun 4, 2017 7:22:25 AM | 54
Nice racism. Beth Din courts have existed for a long time; shari’a courts have the same status. Resort to them is voluntary, and they cannot make judgements against British law. Try calling for the banning of Beth Din courts. You’ll be out of a job for your anti-semitism. Posted by: Laguerre | Jun 4 2017 11:53 utc | 58 Thanks! Why shld i use fb? To help get them cash for their snuff vids and helping hate speech spread or kids see violence and be traumatized? Or psychotics get their moment of fame by posting online murders? Posted by: Mina | Jun 4 2017 12:05 utc | 59 Did anyone else think those London attacks smelt a bit fishy? Posted by: Jen | Jun 4 2017 12:09 utc | 60 >>>> Lea | Jun 4, 2017 7:18:24 AM | 53
You’ve heard the saying “the enemy of our enemy is our friend” well that is often complete bollocks because in the Middle East after a couple of thousand years of invasions and colonization it’s more a case of “the enemy of our enemy hates us as much as he hates his enemy”. The deep cynicism of the concept of that saying and accompanying hypocrisy and violence just turbocharges the hatred. Posted by: Ghostship | Jun 4 2017 12:12 utc | 61 Open source journalism close to solving Seth Rich murder. Posted by: Anoncommentator | Jun 4 2017 12:25 utc | 62 A Moslem mayor in London? It does not seem to makes much difference! Posted by: virgile | Jun 4 2017 13:23 utc | 63 You really are a complete fucking idiot aren’t you heros. I wrote you off as this months hasbara plant making hateful judeophobic remarks to discredit the blog and ignored you but you’ve attained a whole new level of moronic derpitude with yer latest post. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2017 13:29 utc | 64 Posted by: Lea | Jun 4, 2017 7:18:24 AM | 53 Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 13:30 utc | 65 is there a split forming in the gcc? can kuwait, qatar, and dubai see the handwriting on the wall? are they ready follow iranian pipeline routes through syria to the mediterranean and europe? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 4 2017 14:06 utc | 66 I won’t continue this any further heros cos there is no point in trying to use logic on a ninny, but I would be interested to see where you believe I told you to shut up. I suspect your sadly busy & twisted little head imagines a lot more than it actually sees though doesn’t it? Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 4 2017 14:08 utc | 67 somebody 66 Posted by: Curtis | Jun 4 2017 14:09 utc | 68 “I have the feeling that these attacks could have been a training exercise.” Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 4 2017 14:11 utc | 69 Willy 29 Posted by: Curtis | Jun 4 2017 14:15 utc | 70 @ Debsisdead | Jun 4, 2017 10:08:41 AM | 69 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 4 2017 14:36 utc | 71 @Piotr 8 Posted by: smuks | Jun 4 2017 15:15 utc | 72 Three general types of FF events: crisis actors engaged in stagecraft – events wherein no one is killed; similar events wherein deaths may occur; real events coordinated by different actors from those whom are blamed (or those whom willingly take credit). Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 4 2017 15:32 utc | 73 USA news blacks out: China – Russia Rail Bridge is now completed. Posted by: fast freddy | Jun 4 2017 15:39 utc | 74 Who says the Shiites in the Peninsula are not trying to revolt? They have a powerful enemy to say the least. Posted by: Mina | Jun 4 2017 15:39 utc | 75 Piotr Berman | Jun 4, 2017 10:11:43 AM | 71
I largely agree except I suspect the only specific training these three needed was that one of them had learnt to drive and held a clean driving licence. Posted by: Ghostship | Jun 4 2017 15:42 utc | 76 @Grieved | 14 Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 4 2017 15:48 utc | 77 paul @6: +1 Posted by: nobody | Jun 4 2017 16:05 utc | 78 @61 ghostship.. good response to lea… thanks for that.. Posted by: james | Jun 4 2017 16:16 utc | 79 sandra_m @16: Posted by: nobody | Jun 4 2017 16:20 utc | 80 @52 jfl and others Posted by: Grieved | Jun 4 2017 16:28 utc | 81 CluelessJoe @25: Posted by: nobody | Jun 4 2017 16:30 utc | 82 @smuks | 74 Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 4 2017 16:35 utc | 83 @smuks | 74 Posted by: AtaBrit | Jun 4 2017 16:35 utc | 84 Willy2 @29: Posted by: nobody | Jun 4 2017 16:52 utc | 85 So why would the London attackers be wearing ‘fake suicide vests’? Posted by: adamski | Jun 4 2017 16:53 utc | 86 @61 ghostship Posted by: MadMax2 | Jun 4 2017 16:54 utc | 87 @65 debisdead Posted by: Don Wiscacho | Jun 4 2017 16:54 utc | 88 86 Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 16:55 utc | 89 It’s London bloody Bridge! Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 4 2017 16:55 utc | 90 As seems the norm these days, modern ‘democracy’ is not providing the British electorate with any honest or credible candidates. Corbin I think is honest – but economically he is not credible. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 4 2017 17:09 utc | 91 Erdogan also has the problem of Hatay. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 4 2017 17:20 utc | 92 54/93 Posted by: somebody | Jun 4 2017 17:39 utc | 93 Looking at a video of the latest London attack ( https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ed_1496534855 ) I just keep wondering what is going on. Coming from a country being much smaller and much less wealthy than the London City, I have never seen a medical rescue scene like in the video – being a medical person myself. We see two Police officers desperately trying to help a (dying/wounded/harmed?) person lying on the bare streets, a modern ambulance vehicle parked very close aside. But where are the paramedics, where is the medical personal or the doctor, that at least in my country usually arrive with the ambulance at an accident, where they immediately put the patient into the ambulance vehicle, because only in an ambulance vehicle there is access to oxygen, only there an intubation can be done safety, iv-solutions and other iv-medications can be given, only there is enough light to perform little surgical and other live saving measures, etc.? Hard to believe, that on the streets of London serious medical work in utmost darkness must be performed by bare handed London police officers – without the use of the expertise of medical personal, that (at least in my country must have) arrive(d) at every accident scene with an ambulance vehicle. A strange country this must be, the United Kingdom. Posted by: maningi | Jun 4 2017 18:00 utc | 94 Another witness “this is for allah” in London Bridge attack Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 4 2017 18:14 utc | 96 kuwait, qatar, and dubai see the handwriting on the wall? are they ready follow iranian pipeline routes through syria to the mediterranean and europe? Posted by: frances | Jun 4 2017 18:26 utc | 97 @64 debs and @88 Don Wiscacho – i completely concur, especially your last line don “The more people who sprout that nonsense, the less the public wants to look behind the curtain”…. Posted by: james | Jun 4 2017 18:38 utc | 98 As it’s rare that the MSM or based on such actually publish info that shows that ‘terrorists’ are not just your plain crazed jihadis (no matter what their background, family history, mind-set, etc.) but that all kinds of scenarios can apply… Two recent exs. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2017 18:52 utc | 99 @ maningi | Jun 4, 2017 2:00:07 PM | 94 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jun 4 2017 18:55 utc | 100 |
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