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May 28, 2017
Open Thread 2017-20
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French neocons follow the Trump wagon. Iran-bad Posted by: Mina | May 28 2017 10:21 utc | 1 Here is a random thought for a Sunday. This random thought seems to nag me, though. Posted by: librul | May 28 2017 12:01 utc | 2 Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data on Americans with private parties. http://circa.com/politics/declassified-memos-show-fbi-illegally-shared-spy-data-on-americans-with-private-parties Posted by: rawdawgbugfalo | May 28 2017 13:26 utc | 3 Librul 2 Posted by: Curtis | May 28 2017 13:29 utc | 4 Heh Mina @ 1. Here is a video WW2 which outlines Pétain’s Vichy program – Work, Family, Nation – and the slogan for the documentaries and ‘magazines’ that were produced, was LA FRANCE EN MARCHE. Posted by: Noirette | May 28 2017 14:15 utc | 5 Must read article: The lunatics about fake news about Trump and Russia Posted by: Anonynmous | May 28 2017 14:27 utc | 6 Here we go again, red scare hysteria wont stop: Posted by: Anonynmous | May 28 2017 14:32 utc | 7 It is not so much the secret diplomacy but the background of business contacts and favors owed to Russian investors. IF there were only some way Trump could release some documents that might help dispel those lingering doubts… Posted by: Ralphieboy | May 28 2017 14:57 utc | 8 Posted by: Noirette | May 28, 2017 10:15:31 AM | 5 Posted by: somebody | May 28 2017 16:44 utc | 10 good post at sst that hoarsewhisper was mentioning on the previous thread.. Posted by: james | May 28 2017 17:07 utc | 11 @Anonynmous 7
I just finished the 1951 pamphlet by George Washington Armstrong titled Third Zionist War Posted by: Heros | May 28 2017 17:17 utc | 12 reply to: librul | May 28, 2017 8:01:29 AM | 2 Posted by: frances | May 28 2017 17:36 utc | 13 My favourite British Airways stuff-up rumour is that it was caused by corporate thriftiness – out-sourcing IT to India. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 28 2017 17:43 utc | 14 @5 Noirette Posted by: Jean | May 28 2017 18:09 utc | 15 @Curtis 4 and @frances 13, Posted by: librul | May 28 2017 18:21 utc | 16 Jean, @15 Posted by: OJS | May 28 2017 18:52 utc | 18 @Noirette 5 Posted by: Krollchem | May 28 2017 18:55 utc | 19 No country is sovereign unless the USA agrees that it is sovereign. No country can be sovereign unless it borrows money from the IMF or the World Bank. Posted by: fast freddy | May 28 2017 18:59 utc | 20 Anyone not predicting the ‘Big One’ surely hasn’t been paying attention the last several decades. Posted by: paul | May 28 2017 19:13 utc | 21 Right now there is a Beech B300 King Air orbiting Marawi City, Philippines, scene of the ISIS attacks.As seen on Flightradar24. Posted by: Mike | May 28 2017 19:16 utc | 22 @Heros 12 Posted by: Krollchem | May 28 2017 19:20 utc | 23 Those Takfiri terrorists who took over a Southern Philippines city must be crazy, the religeous make up of the Philippines is 92% Christianity 5.57% Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines. Did they expect to be able to convert this huge majority or behead them all? Proof positve that they need to be wiped out, along with the House of Saud. Posted by: harrylaw | May 28 2017 19:43 utc | 24 @2 librul Posted by: ragehead | May 28 2017 20:02 utc | 25 Heros @12: In 1951 things looked pretty bleak for the US: Posted by: ToivoS | May 28 2017 20:03 utc | 26 Posted by: Noirette | May 28, 2017 10:15:31 AM | 5 Posted by: Lea | May 28 2017 20:06 utc | 27 yeah heros… what’s yer thang? seems all zionist, israel control the world kinda stuff to me that you are always talking about… is that it? Posted by: james | May 28 2017 20:16 utc | 28 Trump making his presence felt abroad … 🙂 Posted by: AtaBrit | May 28 2017 20:24 utc | 29 @Krollchem 23 Posted by: Heros | May 28 2017 20:40 utc | 30 Posted by: Lea | May 28, 2017 4:06:28 PM | 27 Posted by: somebody | May 28 2017 20:41 utc | 31 Twitter chatter Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 28 2017 21:40 utc | 32 @24 harrylaw.. they would have better chances in indonesia, malaysia and places like that.. Posted by: james | May 28 2017 21:41 utc | 33 @Rag3head 25, Posted by: librul | May 28 2017 22:13 utc | 34 Hoarsewhisperer @ 14
Or worse – cutting down on the out-sourcing while not really having competent IT people left at home, because not having invested in local teams? Posted by: Philippe | May 28 2017 23:13 utc | 35 Posted by: Philippe | May 28, 2017 7:13:35 PM | 35
What local teams. Everybody is moving to cloud services. The IT is becoming quite nebulous thing these days. Posted by: hopehely | May 28 2017 23:34 utc | 36 If the issues with BA had indeed been ‘up in the cloud’ the problem would have been fixed in a second at amazon or wherever. All major corporations use cloud based servers but they are still largely reliant on either in-house or outsourced software support. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 29 2017 1:02 utc | 37 From Piotr Berman Posted by: fast freddy | May 29 2017 2:00 utc | 38 #24 #33 Posted by: ThatDamnGood | May 29 2017 2:08 utc | 39 Its happening.get in here now people.trumps gonna handover to pence.kelly ayotte will be new vice president Posted by: Anonymous | May 29 2017 2:47 utc | 40 @36 yep. ‘IT’ will soon be some gig job for most, going to a job-site while in communication with a centralized remote-center in another city or state or country. Helpdesk can be centrally-sourced and operated through remote desktop for most things Posted by: aaaa | May 29 2017 2:50 utc | 41 >>>> Heros | May 28, 2017 4:40:24 PM | 30
Lost by whom? The Chinese? Did the Mongolians wake up one day to find they were a maritime nation because China had disappeared? Posted by: Ghostship | May 29 2017 3:01 utc | 42 Heros @ 30, Ghostship @ 42: Posted by: Jen | May 29 2017 3:11 utc | 43 Posted by: librul | May 28, 2017 6:13:50 PM | 34 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 29 2017 3:22 utc | 44 Merkel should have had these feelings a LONG fucking time ago. Perhaps before she jumped on the Bullshit GWOT bandwagon and took in all the refugees she helped to create. Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 29 2017 3:48 utc | 45 Piotr Berman | May 28, 2017 11:48:58 PM | 45 Posted by: AtaBrit | May 29 2017 3:57 utc | 46 @Piotr Berman | 32 Posted by: AtaBrit | May 29 2017 4:24 utc | 47 I live in Portland Oregon where on Friday we had a Muslim hate crime ending with two dead protecting an innocent teenager. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29 2017 4:54 utc | 48 significant shift in priorities… Posted by: les7 | May 29 2017 5:09 utc | 49 Re 48: Any day now, Trump will show us he cares about victims of white terrorism. He’ll also show us he’s committed to a demilitarised foreign policy, and then he’ll drain the swamp. Any day now, surely… Posted by: sigil | May 29 2017 5:10 utc | 50 trump just announced on twitter he had maga tattooed on his wife’s ass.says Putin made him do it Posted by: anon | May 29 2017 5:29 utc | 51 @48 psycho Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 29 2017 5:29 utc | 52 @ NemesisCalling who wrote about my rant about Trump’s inhumanity Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29 2017 6:08 utc | 53 #53 Americans have been brainwashed Posted by: From The Hague | May 29 2017 6:46 utc | 54 Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 28, 2017 11:48:58 PM | 45 Posted by: somebody | May 29 2017 7:57 utc | 55 @ 44
Every living being has a soul (humans, animals, fish, etc), that makes 8 billions of humans a tiny number of all souls just on Earth, what to speak of entire Universe. Posted by: Harry | May 29 2017 7:59 utc | 56 Ghostship @ 42, Jen @ 43 Posted by: Heros | May 29 2017 8:40 utc | 57 Following a link from Twatter, I read what I considered to be an interesting article/opinion piece on the Comey/Trump/”The Russians” & all the crap & backstabbing that Trump is having to contend with 24/7 I don’t know how much actual real information is involved or is it supposition but it’s not a bad read. Posted by: KiwiCris | May 29 2017 10:09 utc | 58 A word of warning:: Don’t listen to any historical opinions from = Heros | May 29, 2017 4:40:55 AM | 57 and elsewhere as it is just a load of drivel having no contact with what actually happened. Look at the fool’s mistakes and see if you want to even render attention to their delusions. Caveat emptor! Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 29 2017 10:16 utc | 59 @48 psycho
i’d imagine Jaish ul-Adi is a saudi/cia operation?
the usofa now admits it’s the world’s largest terror organization, and has been since wwii, when it switched to warring against civilian populations and infrastructure rather than combatants. hey, hey, curtis lemay … how many people dja burn today?
just as mattis says … merely a “fact of life.” Posted by: jfl | May 29 2017 10:38 utc | 60 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 28, 2017 11:22:47 PM | 44 Posted by: Lea | May 29 2017 11:35 utc | 62 A selection from each side… on the big one. Posted by: jason | May 29 2017 12:09 utc | 63 @Formerly T-Bear 59 Posted by: Heros | May 29 2017 12:19 utc | 64 @Hoarsewhisperer #44, Posted by: librul | May 29 2017 12:29 utc | 65 @ Heros | May 29, 2017 8:19:54 AM | 64 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 29 2017 12:47 utc | 66 librul @ 65: ” , or go really far out with Stephen Hawking and factor in the Multiverse.” Yes, existence is filled with life, in my opinion, and much of it is quite likely intelligent life. If so, then that intelligent life would be equipped with souls, just as we are, and reincarnation could allow for the possibility of rebirth into different intelligent species. (I’m not ready for fish, mammals, birds, etc.) Being reborn onto different planets and into different intelligent species would allow for a system of rewards or promotions. I don’t think being born on earth is any indication of any special awards; it might be a sign that one has just experienced a significant demotion. A system like that makes more sense to me than one consisting of a hateful, insane old Sky Daddy who runs you around the track one time and makes a judgement of thumbs up/thumbs down, pass/fail, and that’s it for you. In a system like that it would truly be better to have never been born. Posted by: Donnie | May 29 2017 12:56 utc | 67 ragehead 25 Posted by: Curtis | May 29 2017 13:07 utc | 68 Lea @ 27, I don’t entirely agree with Asselineau who says the EU was basically a Nazi idea, although I appreciate this gentleman and his party; sure, he may be taking a reasonable shortcut. I think it was more not exactly and idea but and alliance, a way of being/doing of the old corporatists, barons of industry, in F + D (see steel union post WW2 etc.), along the lines described by LaCroix Riz. Then of course the plan was adopted, encouraged, and further engineered by the US (and/or was sketched out well before, idk about that.) Posted by: Noirette | May 29 2017 13:39 utc | 69 quote (May 2017): Posted by: Noirette | May 29 2017 13:53 utc | 70 @70 noirette Posted by: jfl | May 29 2017 14:09 utc | 71 @70 noirette
… old soldiers never die … and they never forget the lies their forebearers told them as children. Posted by: jfl | May 29 2017 14:32 utc | 72 @71 How do you see it playing out? RyanAir flights to Sebastopol? The Charge of the Chelsea Supporters? Posted by: dh | May 29 2017 14:43 utc | 73 @73 Posted by: jfl | May 29 2017 14:55 utc | 74 @74 The empire idea is looking a little tired IMO. Where’s the motivation? The team spirit? Posted by: dh | May 29 2017 15:06 utc | 75 @70 noirette.. thanks… it is funny how innocent sounding comments reveal so much.. patton was caught pulling the emperors pants down right there… Posted by: james | May 29 2017 15:30 utc | 76 #44 Posted by: ThatDamnGood | May 29 2017 16:33 utc | 77 Geez..Macron blast russian media during meeting with Putin Posted by: Anonymous | May 29 2017 16:40 utc | 78 @Noirette 70
Yup, that great Nuremburg Prosecutor was a sadistic Ritchie boy trained to torture white gentiles and to frame them with confessions extracted through torture. Afterwards he was rewarded for his sadism and went on to help found the international criminal court. I hear that after Bela Kuhn that he is T-Bears greatest hero. Posted by: Heros | May 29 2017 17:16 utc | 79 #65 Posted by: ThatDamnGood | May 29 2017 17:25 utc | 80 Posted by: Noirette | May 29, 2017 9:39:37 AM | 69 Posted by: Lea | May 29 2017 19:27 utc | 81 @78 anon Posted by: jfl | May 29 2017 19:39 utc | 82 jfl Posted by: Anonymous | May 29 2017 20:25 utc | 83 NOIRETTE 70 Posted by: ashley albanese | May 29 2017 21:06 utc | 84 I am writing a small book, which will be available for free on-line. It will probably be called “Placebo Voting, the Sophistical Election Methods Cognoscenti, and the Great IRV Swindle” Posted by: blues | May 29 2017 21:43 utc | 85 @85 It will have to be pretty hot stuff to shock MOA readers. Can’t wait. Posted by: dh | May 29 2017 22:23 utc | 86 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 28, 2017 11:22:47 PM | 44 Posted by: frances | May 30 2017 0:19 utc | 87 @87 frances Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 1:31 utc | 88 OK, firstly I should point out that I gave up on Salon as a source for anything other than inane neoliberal propagandising sometime back in the 90’s, but I do own to an occasional slouch past that sewer since then. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 30 2017 2:02 utc | 89 ABC.net.au/7-30 broadcast a brief interview with movie-maker Oliver Stone last night. He’s fresh from putting the final touches to his latest doco based on his face-to-face interviews with Putin. Whilst he was careful not to let any cats out of the bag, the residual impression he left is that he believes that the Lunatics are running the (Christian Colonial) Asylum. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 30 2017 3:58 utc | 90 German Social Democrats, Left Party back Merkel’s anti-US stance
everyone in europe is at the gym, working out on the rump punching bag. but it’s not just the rump, he only sent out the engraved invitations to pile on …
FAZ seems to be plugging the old time religion … deutschland über alles
looks like the europeans … germany and france at any rate … have seen their chances, and are takin’ ’em. and it looks as though some pretty solid plans have jelled in the backroom as well, and now called into play, at the invitation of the rump. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 9:00 utc | 91
full spectrum death, devastation, and destruction. not only the entire country destroyed, but the human environment as well. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 10:02 utc | 92 Besieged Shiite city bombarded by Saudi regime forces on Ramadan
the rump’s soul-brothers at work at home. and yemen, and syria. the worldwide terrorist threat emanates from the usa/ksa. everyone knows it. there will be dancing in the streets worldwide on the day it collapses. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 11:14 utc | 93 South Korea’s new leader orders probe into ‘unauthorized’ US deployment
the chinese don’t want it. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 11:24 utc | 94 this whole uproar about trump,kushner ivanka,the Russians ,comey,is pure comedy.what a hoot reality TV at its finest.when trump walks out the white house wearing a day glo t shirt with the words maga on it I will be received. Posted by: Freddy fingers | May 30 2017 11:32 utc | 95 Putin considers that sanctions will not help to unify Kiev with Donbass
rothschild’s boy follows orders. this whole sanctions regime is going to collapse along with us/eu funny money finance. right when they least expect it. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 11:39 utc | 96 In meeting with Putin, Macron distances France from Washington’s anti-Russia policy
it looks as though the micron feels he can fool putin with his bluff. or was he referring to us sanctions, which the europeans will not join? he seems like a micro-rump, who perhaps bathes more frequently, or is at least freer with the eau de cologne. Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 12:00 utc | 97 96 Posted by: somebody | May 30 2017 12:15 utc | 98 When I log out of my account and use a diff one to try to view the replies to this tweet I can’t see my replies! Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 30 2017 13:26 utc | 99 @98 sb Posted by: jfl | May 30 2017 13:51 utc | 100 |
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