“It seems clear so far the the synthetic Rothschild candidate will win this round.”
That’s the way it’s shaping up, despite the weirdness of Obama adding his name to the Kiss Of Death list of pro-Micron Swamp Dwellers headed by such unpopular has-beens as Hollande, Sarkozy et al.
There’s too much contrived ‘flexibility’ in this charade. In Round 1 the voter-participation rate settled at 77.1% after early cites that it was a fraction under 70%. That’s a huge jump in a factor which normally reveals reliable trends. Also the ‘abstain in disgust’ demographic has been over-hyped from the day after results were announced.
The final outcome will hinge on how gullible/docile French voters are, historically-speaking.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6 2017 9:41 utc | 3

You can read that on Counterpunch : http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/21/macron-of-france-chauncey-gardiner-for-president/
or that in french : https://audelancelin.com/2017/04/20/emmanuel-macron-un-putsch-du-cac-40/

Posted by: franck-y | May 6 2017 11:55 utc | 5

@Hoarsewhisperer
They do seem to be very gullible to a point, then the lid comes off every so often. It isn’t time yet, they will vote for the current status, the perceived stability for they see unknowns with Le Pen, and with the older generations it’s all about what they fear, unrealistically as it may be, everything they have worked hard for all their lives will erode under Le Pen. Therein lies the crux, they are in lock down mode media wise, great propagandists.

Posted by: Gravatomic | May 6 2017 12:08 utc | 7

Yes the russian-hating-blaming-millionare Macron will win no doubt, the election is more or less fixed after the propaganda campaing for him everywhere in the west.
The same Macron and MSM are already cooking up disinformation about russian hackers, theese people are insane, and its also a sign of what policy he will carry out.
-Pro-bankers
-Pro-war
-Pro-establishment
-Anti-Russia
-Pro-Nato
-Pro EU
Long term though? Next election Le Pen or whoever rule her party will win.
It will also cause more extremism because the elite under Macron wont deal with regular people and their problems but with the elite.
I cant see why anyone would vote for Macron, even his eyes/looks are slimy.

Posted by: Anon | May 6 2017 12:27 utc | 9

What’s the possibility that a large proportion of the French public polled who said they would vote for Emmanuel Macron might in fact vote for Marine le Pen instead? What’s the possibility that le Pen will receive a large proportion of her votes from people who would vote for anyone who looks like a winner, regardless of political and ideological affiliations, simply to stop Macron from winning?

Posted by: Jen | May 6 2017 12:42 utc | 11

roflmaousse
Exactly. I wouldnt be surprised if its Macron team itself that leaked this dull, uninportant stuff to show that “russians have interfered”.

Posted by: Anon | May 6 2017 12:52 utc | 13

they’re both pro-Zionist. Just another shell game of an election whilst the media does its assigned job of shouting loudly about some supposed vast gulf existing between the 2 candidates. Having said that, if I was French there’s just no way I could vote for a slimy Rothschild banking reptile like Macron. At least Le Pen appears to be an actual human.

Posted by: Nick | May 6 2017 13:37 utc | 15

long term outcome of globalists verses nationalists? the globalists are going to win, and full on slavery will continue to ensue.. the younger generations will not see the comforts and lifestyle their parents enjoyed – far from it in fact.. freedoms will be clamped down, alternative views will be made illegal and stuff like that.. after that, there is a small chance people will possibly wake up, but i wouldn’t count on it.. in france, terrorism will continue.. in europe a greater malaise will prevail.. in the world, things look to be falling apart.. maybe more war for all the wrong reasons, if nothing else.. macron will be onside with global dominance thru the west of syria.. the usual lame excuses will be trotted out..

Posted by: james | May 6 2017 14:14 utc | 17

Macron, next Pres. of France, an exceptional person. (I am not a fan.)
A strand in F politics / commentators etc. brands him as a candidat fabriqué, a candidat du système a sort of cut-out ersatz pol, created and boosted by the financial elites, Mega Corps., banking – as he worked for Rotschild, etc. The MSM, particularly magazines… ensuring his win with 24/24 favorable coverage. Sure, he is young, good-looking, etc.
This pov is conveniently conspiratorial, and the media support is real; yet, the MSM merely follow and go for the winner, in kind of positive feed-back loop, pretty mindless.
“Manu” – pour les intimes – is very clever, tough, and determined to rise / become powerful since he was a precocious child, attracted to and competing within the world of adults, since the age of 5?… Yes, a psych profile approach is superficial, junky, or only one aspect. The ‘parental’ love of his life was his grand-mother. Manu took decisions about his life very young. At 12 he was baptised Catholic, by his decision. Pic in church first from coll. of pix young Macron, Gala gossip mag.
http://photo.gala.fr/emmanuel-macron-et-brigitte-trogneux-retour-sur-leur-rencontre-lorsqu-il-etait-lyceen-22835
At 15 -17 he decided he would marry the teacher B. Trogneux (24 years older than him, with one child older than him, another the same age and in his class at school), and he managed that. The ‘unconventional’ marriage is now 100% accepted, and even a I’d say a ‘plus’ point, in the sense that ‘different love-lives’ tinged with trangression attract support from certain quarters. Some gays support Macron as rumors about him being gay with his older wife as a ‘mommy type cover’ indulging in an affair with some sultry media guy.
Macron is an opportunist taking advantage of the break-down of trad. F politics – death of the Socialist party, divisions on the right, oppos parties no clout, Sarkozy despised, Hollande then more so.. to present a quasi ‘evangelical’ solution as a last ditch effort against decline, sinking GDP per capita, > as ‘collaborationist’ with the US-EU-NATO – etc. He is most likely quite, or semi-sincere, in his desire to fix it all. A ‘maverick’ who is yet ‘hyper conventional’ – a very conventional profile!
@ Gravatomic at 6. Le Pen will never win, the FN will never have a ‘prez.’ About the social unrest, yes.

Posted by: Noir22 | May 6 2017 14:54 utc | 19

To me, the only interesting part of the final round is what percentage of French voters choose ‘non’. The more say no, the slimmer the mandate Macron will have for more austerity, more EU domination, more rule by the banking elite. Either way his real troubles begin after election as the same policies of the disastrous Hollande government (for which he was finance minister) will continue with their 4% approval rating.

Posted by: WorldBLee | May 6 2017 15:56 utc | 21

Bardi @ 18 posted: ” the epic fight of globalists versus nationalists”
“No. It is the epic fight of corporatists versus nationalists.”
Exactly! Throw out the old semantics of “Right” or “Left”. Not applicable anymore.
It’s now “Corporatists” against the 99%ers, whatever you want to call them.

Posted by: ben | May 6 2017 16:18 utc | 23

https://www.ft.com/content/c9fe390a-2c02-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c?segmentId=d68e6f03-56d6-8069-51f7-cf031e26e547
Emmanuel Macron will have to make a decisive move on Europe
The most exciting promise of his candidacy is the agenda for eurozone reform
Wolfgang Münchau
Emmanuel Macron has a convincing lead in the polls, but a low turnout among his more reluctant supporters could still produce a result too close for comfort.
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The final round of the French presidential election on May 7 should not really be a contest. Mr Macron has the backing of more or less the entire political establishment — from the left to the centre-right. But events can intrude even in such a situation and already have. His decision to celebrate his first-round victory in a smart brasserie in Paris’s sixth arrondissement was politically illiterate. During a visit to a Whirlpool factory in Amiens, northern France, Mr
Macron was upstaged by his opponent, Marine Le Pen, leader of the far right National Front. As a political campaigner she is in a different league. If she crushes him in Wednesday’s television debate, she might have a chance.
The problem with Mr Macron’s agenda is that nobody really knows how he can make it work. The role of the French president is powerful, but the fate of François Hollande should serve as a cautionary tale of the limits of what a president can do. Mr Hollande’s Socialists at least had a majority in the National Assembly, the French parliament. It is not clear whether Mr Macron will have a single MP after the legislative elections in June. Will he end up as a mere figurehead — like the German president — whose job is to shake hands and give grand speeches? Or can he find a way to force change?

Posted by: okie farmer | May 6 2017 16:36 utc | 25

Macron will be to France what Obama has been to the US.
Just like Obama’s presidency made possible Trump’s victory four years later, Macron’s presidency will make possible a Front National victory in five years.
Here’s my prediction: five years from now, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen will win the presidential elections.

Posted by: Passerby | May 6 2017 16:51 utc | 27

Once in power, he’s fool enough (pushed by his backers) to declare war to Russia.

Posted by: jean | May 6 2017 17:11 utc | 29

@30 i see now … the americans have hacked the french election!

Posted by: jfl | May 6 2017 17:13 utc | 31

I find it difficult to hear people praising Le Pen who won’t have to live under her presidency.
Let me remind you that Europe had more than its share of nationalist wars, and the last thing the continent needs are governments adding fuel to the fire of existing tensions.
Macron is a puppet, but in the end he’ll do what’s necessary to stabilize things.
Le Pen might well blow things up and lead to civil war.

Posted by: smuks | May 6 2017 17:30 utc | 33

Truth be told, even if she hadn’t much chance of winning, Le Pen could’ve hoped to go close to 45% if she had played it right and campaigned well. She totally blew it with an awful performance in the debate, though, while Macron was probably a bit better than expected.
The most worrying bit is that voters who sided with Macron might feel compelled to give him a majority in parliament, which is the key. Considering how human psychoology tends to work too often, there will be a follower/commitment effect with some voters, who have crossed a line by voting for him and will find it less abhorrent to back him again in the legislative elections.
If that happens, imho, it would mean France had just gone through a coup, and democracy is dead there. The good news is that it means that sooner or later, bloody revolution will sweep the country – but it might take time and, as most if not all revolutions, will probably not be thorough enough in wiping out the ruling elites.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | May 6 2017 17:40 utc | 35

Will people of France show that they are worthy their great sons like Voltaire and vote their conscience or will they vote out of fear and intimidation?
That is the question.
I admit that French people or EU citizen may have totally different view of the French political process from perspective of the details and particularities they are acutely aware of, than my view from The US, by may be this very distance and emotionally cold judgment of outsider is needed as well to have truly a big picture of what is going on.
I am not a supporter of Le Pen and hell no, not supporter of a “French Trump” Macron, Yes, it is Macron in my opinion that is French Trump, a Flaccid Clown of Global Oligarchy while Le Pen is slightly reversed Sanders as far as elements of political platform that matter for ordinary people in France and the US.
None of them are politically radical in any shape or form, and definitely not Marine Le Pen who just want to ask French people what to do since they never had really a chance to do so. Either to support continuing pauperization of society and allowing for further collapse of French sovereignty and cultural autonomy which is one of the pillars of European culture and western tradition and hence retain status quo or reject it by demanding EU to return to its EEC roots and give up on a superstate projects like Euro or banking unity/ECB. And that is the highest crime in Brussels and hence she was set for at least metaphorical assassination of her character and her populist appeal.
Brilliant move by Marine Le Pen was to campaign on her own more centrist platform and not be obliged to follow strictly FN platform as a FN leader would have to follow.
In fact as Macron was first who shed his discrediting Socialist label as hated Hollande minister, now Le Pen shed her FN right-wing and neo-fascist label to commence entirely new campaign as true French populist and nationalist.
She already told French that they have a clear choice between neoliberal oligarchic rule of globalists under a thieving investment banker or French people rule under populist leader liken to de Gaulle.
Does she have a chance against unified block of French MSM media and Globalist media worldwide, against slander, lies and fake news, against 95% of largest French press being against her? Not likely, especial that as it was documented CIA has capabilities and used them to manipulate french elections already in the past. But it is more complicated than that and Marine Le Pen is not Trump.
The real issue in these elections though will be how strong roots of sociopolitical/economic dependency on EU imperial clique are in France and believe me they are strong.
Millions of French know or feel there are dependent of Brussels and will vote status-quo regardless even of their suffering, threatened with supposedly worse alternative under Le Pen.
How strong such a calcifying paralysis may be was shown in Roman empire collapsing over two centuries only because people supported status-quo in fear of change into unknown, even when the world around them was collapsing.
But if Le Pen thinks she can do without a sort of “revolution” metaphorically breaking legs and heads, she is not gonna get anywhere since the autocratic EU system is designed to prevent popular upheavals and drastic changes to the EU imperial order of bureaucratic rule.
EU has all the money, power, courts and propaganda machine to derail Le Pen presidency without another French revolution to defend it.
Even case of Brexit showed that EU turned from happy family of loving EU nations to a pool of viscous brats, little puny weasels, exhibiting embarrassing insecure teenage hysteria, wanting revenge and nursing their personal hurt feelings, pretending to be conducting supposedly rational and serious international negotiations among formally at least, sovereign countries.
This Sunday we will know if in France once again fear prevailed over courage.

Posted by: Kalen | May 6 2017 17:58 utc | 37

Le Pen and Fake News Attack in Debate

The Macron campaign identified the first tweet referring to the documents as coming from the Twitter account of a far-right activist and convicted felon based in northern California.

The Macron campaign identified the first tweet referring to the documents as coming from the Twitter account of Nathan Damigo, a far-right activist and convicted felon based in northern California. Damigo is known on social media for punching a female anti-fascist in the face at a Berkeley protest.

Berkeley Gets Trolled By The Alt-Right — Again

France Election: Fake News As It Happened

Originated online in California, just before the 2.5 hour debate between Le Pen and Macron.

Posted by: Oui | May 6 2017 18:28 utc | 39

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6, 2017 2:36:18 PM | 40
(Dewey Defeats Truman!)
I wasn’t aware of that Media Glitch and had to look it up.
And I like it, thanks.
The thing I find irksome about the Kiss Of Death list is that EVERY entity on it would, in a Fair & Just (imaginary) World, stfu and trust The People (excuse my French).
Actually, French Kiss Of Death may prove to be a more accurate label…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 6 2017 19:03 utc | 41

Melenchon is the one to listen to to understand the situation in France. While he didn’t make it into round two, he has a good chance of a large parliamentary victory in the round of elections after the presidential one. He’s been locked out of the English-language press in the U.S. and Britain (he falls outside their narrow spectrum of acceptable political views) so you have to read the French press (I use Google Translate) or watch his youtube (with subcaptions) channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsGkA4TXqyw
Melenchon is the only one who points out the realities (translate from Lemonde):

In order to combat mass immigration, which is mainly internal to developing countries, the causes of migration must be tackled: the impossibility of any development in the countries of departure, due to debts and Structural adjustment policies imposed by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) or the World Bank, the plundering of resources by multinationals and free trade.

Here’s Melenchon on Africa, LeMonde Feb 17:

“We are part of the political camp that was against colonialism and for the self-determination of peoples. We know the misfortunes endured, but we consider that it is up to historians to write history and not to politicians to instrumentalize it. It seems to us more urgent to fight the scourge of ultraliberal predation that is falling on Africa.”
“The best advantage that France can derive from it is the harmonious and successful development of African societies. If we consider only the climatic risk, it is 250 million migrants whose humanity will have to deal with by 2050. It is time to ensure a balanced development that does not aggravate the state of the planet. But the condition for achieving this is to return Africa to the Africans, to ensure national and popular sovereignty on the bases advocated by Thomas Sankara or Patrice Lumumba.” [Notably Lumumba was overthrown and killed in a CIA-supported coup in 1961]
“The defense agreements, and in particular their secret clauses – which have the real objective of controlling popular movements for the benefit of dictators – must be denounced by democratic scrutiny by Parliament. In the event that some of these bases are maintained, military cooperation can only be envisaged with democracies, with priority being given to the formation of an independent national republican army.”

Can you imagine any U.S. politician pledging to end military cooperation with Saudi Arabia unless it converts to a democratic form of government? Maybe Tulsi Gabbard, I don’t know.

Posted by: nonsense factory | May 6 2017 19:12 utc | 43

Whoever wins the French presidency can be helped or hobbled by other factors. Macron has no effective political party in the French parliament, the fictional party he was supported by has no parliamentary standing and is unlikely to obtain standing. M. Le Pen’s party has been on the margins of the French political spectrum but does have an identifiable political history that is evolving from its origins. Of the two, the least likely to effect disastrous policy on the French public is the FN of Le Pen, it is a known and does have knowledgable opposition to waywardness; not so Macron who hasn’t revealed who supports or funds his candidacy for the office. That would be the greatest danger to the French Republic. About this time tomorrow, the electorate will have spoken.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | May 6 2017 20:06 utc | 45

Vive la France!

Posted by: john | May 6 2017 20:18 utc | 47

Posted by: Noir22 | May 6, 2017 10:54:49 AM | 19
Great post. Especially:

Macron is an opportunist taking advantage of the break-down of trad. F politics.

With regards to FN’s steady rise over decades, this really is well forecasted opportunism at work here. Spot climate trending too far in one direction, find slogan like ‘never le pen’, install manufactured centre left/right cardboard cutout.
And (as far as the west goes with it’s super concentrated media power nearly running off one script) it could nearly be cut and pasted into any race where one side strays too far from centre. I’m sure there is a couple of seminars at Davos about it.

Posted by: MadMax2 | May 6 2017 21:01 utc | 49

Here’s my prediction: five years from now, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen will win the presidential elections.
Posted by: Passerby | May 6, 2017 12:51:56 PM | 27
===============================
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is [allegedly] the daughter of Roger Auque:

Roger Auque died from brain cancer on September 8, 2014, at the age of 58. He revealed in a book that was published posthumously in 2015 that he had been a Mossad agent.
. . . . .
In 1989, he is said to have fathered a child with Yann, the daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen.
This daughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, elected deputy in 2012, was born out of wedlock and subsequently recognized by Yann’s husband, Samuel Maréchal, a fact only revealed publicly in 2013 in a book by Christine Clerc titled “Les Conquérantes.”[6]

Posted by: Just Sayin’ | May 6 2017 21:26 utc | 51

macron is a rothschild blackmailed gaydar
alas
lepen is a transgendered tavistock london project
like super zionist chabad ask a nazi transman trump
not forgeting may man of london
a sick a twisted talmud world.
nttyahoo wants oded yinon growth
growth via country instability
he demands his so called people must return to israhell
but what about the real world
this is how it is one final solution for all the goy
Former Isreali Ambassador: “North Korea Needs To Be Wiped Off the Map” !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BioO03VtI

Posted by: dr klaus wunderlick | May 6 2017 21:58 utc | 53

In these times, it really shows how small influence people have, it is media and their millionare candidate that have already fixiated the election with their huge power. Quite sad.

Posted by: Anon | May 6 2017 22:34 utc | 55

Californian leak? Who cares, the msm have already blamed the ruskies all day

Posted by: Mina | May 6 2017 22:55 utc | 57

So cute from the bbc that he doesnt want to reveal the contents of the leak although nothing obliges it to
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39830379

Posted by: Mina | May 6 2017 23:06 utc | 59

“initiated” not led. The real lead was the US.

Posted by: Curtis | May 7 2017 1:57 utc | 61

Indeed, Macron is basically married to his mother already in a way:
Macron married to a 24 year older wife
https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/04/27/french-presidential-candidates-older-wife-only-scandalous-to-the-rest-of-the-world-timson.html

Posted by: Anon | May 7 2017 7:09 utc | 63

Well well well… you know… its france… le pen’s mother made nacked pictures for french playboy when she divorced the father… another one is on x… just pawns.

Posted by: Mina | May 7 2017 8:16 utc | 65

even Wikileaks says the metadata is full of cyrillic. clumsiness or the will to point towards the usual culprits?
not sure if Hollande has really turned into a Machiavel but that sounds like him

Posted by: Mina | May 7 2017 9:29 utc | 67

In my opinion Le Pen isn’t pro-Russian. She is anti Muslim. Trump also isn’t pro-Russian. Trump is extremely pro-Israeli. Jared Kushner isn’t a Russian guy. Wiki Leaks has published nothing about Israel so far. So, why do people everywhere see Russian agents and no one talks about Jewish agents in the US and other western countries? Unbelievable blindness. Only a few journos from small alternative media outlets dare to cover the issue.

Posted by: hmm | May 7 2017 9:53 utc | 69

Re: Posted by: peter | May 6, 2017 11:12:00 AM | 20
The French Legislative Elections (June 11 & 18) are now incredibly unpredictable.
With five competing political forces (Socialists, Republicans, National Front, En Marche, Melenchon’s voters?) what will happen?
It seems completely unpredictable.

Posted by: Jules | May 7 2017 11:35 utc | 71

plus 70
Anthony Sutton : Wall Street financed Communism and Nazism
“The best monopoly there is, is the corporate state”
All wars are bankers wars
US policy recommendations regarding Europe – Heritage foundation

More broadly, the U.S. should reconsider whether blindly supporting the EU is in America’s best interests. The EU is a supranational organization that infringes on national sovereignty. It prevents the creation of genuine transatlantic free trade areas, harms transatlantic security, distorts European immigration policies, and wastes taxpayer money.

Posted by: somebody | May 7 2017 12:18 utc | 73

Listening to NPR spreading their propaganda about French elections made me want to vomit. Are the majority of western folks really as stupid as they seem to be? Judging by the crap people post on Facebook I’d say yes. The more “educated” a person is the more likely they are to believe the lies.
Started watching 500 Nations about Europeans ‘discovering’ the Americas and all the brutality that came from it… had to turn it off because it isn’t the sort of program a person wants to watch right before bed (unless one likes horror tales before sleep)
All Spanish, English, French, South American, Central American and North American people should be required to watch it and contemplate our future based on this terrible past. Brutal thugs is what most of our supposed ‘hero/discoverers’ were, just like now.
We continue to repeat the past, doing the same stupid crap that brought us to this moment in time when we have the ability to wipe our species off the face of the planet (as well as most other too). Will we continue on the road to mutually assured destruction, or will we try something new?
As for the farce in France… I think Brandon Smith at Alt-Market.com has a good grasp of what the elite are trying to do. He has a series of articles postulating what he believes is the long game of the bankers and other wealthy feces, mostly using Trump as the example of how nationalist/conservatives are being set-up for a big fall. Interesting point of view that I find rather rational considering all the craziness taking place.
His latest posting Why Trump is flipped on campaign promises
And the post I have bookmarked Economic end game explained
As always I appreciate everyone’s contributions to MoA, Thanks
Dave

Posted by: David Shinn | May 7 2017 13:36 utc | 75

An election of historic correlation between the bsnker snd the fascist.

Posted by: Giap | May 7 2017 14:10 utc | 77

@”somebody” In the depths of the Depression, Comrade Vissarionovich sought loans from Wall Street to industrialize Soviet industry. Wall Street was happy to oblige: the rest of the world was on its knees. Stalin knew what was coming; he had read Mein Kampf; he had fought the Whites. No doubt Wall Street thought they could usurp the Bolshevik revolution. They were wrong.
See here for the antidote to Sutton’s BS:
http://www.stalinsociety.org/2016/03/04/the-real-stalin-series-part-six-industrialization/

Posted by: ruralito | May 7 2017 14:17 utc | 79

Posted by: jfl | May 7, 2017 7:52:02 AM | 72
From the point of view of tax havens – yes.

The EU is drawing up a tax haven blacklist, due to be finalized by the end of 2017, with the intention of preventing money from being diverted to avoid taxation. It is also compiling a list sanctions it will take against any country or jurisdiction that ends up on the EU tax haven blacklist.

Posted by: somebody | May 7 2017 14:47 utc | 81

The point is, there is no real economic data
https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/le-billet-economique/deficit-0-une-promesse-non-tenue

Posted by: Mina | May 7 2017 15:40 utc | 83

Zio-Jazeera via ABC.au News24 filed a report from France, 30 minutes ago, which asserts that early turnout estimate is circa 65%.
Zio-Jazeera broadcast isn’t time stamped but the News 24 broadcast was at 1 am EST in Oz which corresponds to 3 hours before French polling booths close.
As a comparison, China’s CGTN broadcasts always carry a GMT time stamp (revealing that SBS rebroadcasts CGTN 2 hours after the original transmission).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 7 2017 15:47 utc | 85

Whatevs, Stalin tracked the wolf to his lair.
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-nmIGAXUrq0OJ87zK
Khrushchev lied : the evidence that every “revelation” of Stalin’s (and Beria’s) “crimes” in Nikita Khrushchev’s infamous “secret speech” to the 20th party congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on February 25, 1956, is provably false
from p85
As Kozhinov points out, Khrushchev’s accusations here can be turned
■round on his own thesis. Historians do not blame President Roosevelt
for (ailing to foresee the atlsck on Pearl Harbor. Therefore to blame Sta-
lin for not foreseeing the precise time and place of the Nazi attack is to
Ul prey to the “cult of personality”, to believe Stalin was supposed to
bre superhuman abilities and inexplicably failed to use them.”<>
The Soviets could not declare a mobilization because that was universally
understood as a declaration of war. It was precisely such a mobilization
that had set off the First World War. It would have given Hitler the op-
poctunity to declare war, leaving the USSR vulnerable to a separate deal
between Hitler and the Allies. And in a plan for “Operation ‘Ost'” drawn
up in 1940 German General>Major Marks make the regret^l remark that
The Russians will not do us the favor of attacking us [fixst].”ii7
Ihe Soviets could not rely upon British warnings* for the British clearly
wanted to set Hider against the Soviet Union and weaken both, if not use
die opportunity to make peace with Hitler against the Soviets, as many in
the British establishment wanted.
Marshal K.A. Meretskov, no admirer of Stalin, believed the situation im-
mediately preceding the war was very complex, impossible to predict. His
memoirs were published after Khrushchev’s ouster, in 1968. Zhukov,
who had been demoted in disgrace after the war by Stalin and had helped
Khnishchev attack Stalin in 1957, thought the Soviet Union under Stalin
had done everything it could to prepare for the war.

Posted by: ruralito | May 7 2017 16:08 utc | 87

I know almost nothing of this debate between Kozhinov and Khrushchev. But, this statement is ridiculous:
>> Historians do not blame President Roosevelt for
>> failing to foresee … Pearl Harbor.
I don’t call those people “historians”. I call them liars. Roosevelt did everything he could to engineer a casus belli.

Posted by: dumbass | May 7 2017 16:17 utc | 89

Posted by: Mina | May 7, 2017 11:40:13 AM | 83
Deficit 0 is Schäuble, German type austerity. You can socially afford it with low unemployment but not with French unemployment rates.

Posted by: somebody | May 7 2017 16:46 utc | 91

Sài Gòn Séamus @SaiGonSeamus on the Macron “leaks”:

None of it makes sense, yet everyone laps it up like mother’s milk. This is the 1st of these leaks to have obvious forgeries in it.
The release date makes no sense, there appears to be nothing damaging in it, the speed at which the trusties found the Cyrillic metadata says they were looking for it / told where to look / not looking for damaging material.
The sheer scale of the breach from what must be the closely monitored mail server in political history.
None of it adds up if you look at it with an open mind. This is dangerous slavish behavior from infosec, the media and public. If you will swallow this hook, line & sinker then your parliaments need more fire extinguishers
Everything is based on two enormous falacies.
1. That all the evils in western society are the fault of the external bogeyman. Putin, ISIS Refugees, Asian footwear makers, whatever. That the Trumps, Le Pens, Farages are not a native virus.
2. Is that your services & politicians Would never pull a false leak or a controlled leak or a limited hangout. That they are angels that sit on their hands.
These two underpin the absolute lunacy we have seen unfold before our eyes. An extraordinarily dangerous situation to be in which is getting worse fast.

Posted by: b | May 7 2017 17:07 utc | 93

Did Macron Outsmart Campaign Hackers? – While it’s still too early to tell, so far the big document dump by hackers of the Macron campaign has not been damaging.

“You can flood these [phishing] addresses with multiple passwords and log-ins, true ones, false ones, so the people behind them use up a lot of time trying to figure them out,” Mounir Mahjoubi, the head of Macron’s digital team, told The Daily Beast for its earlier article on this subject.
In the end, whoever made the dump may not have known what is real and what is false, which would explain in part the odd timing. After the disruptive revelations of the Democratic National Committee hacks in the United States, the public is conditioned to think that if there’s a document dump like this, it has to be incriminating. By putting it out just before the news blackout, when Macron cannot respond in detail, the dump becomes both the medium and the message.
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Posted by: b | May 7 2017 17:17 utc | 95

Just the fact that people are responding this way to hacks and data dumps illustrates how much the deep state has lost control of the the narrative.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 7 2017 17:25 utc | 97

65% for Macron

Posted by: Mina | May 7 2017 18:01 utc | 99