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April 22, 2017
Open Thread 2017-16
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OPERATION GOTHAM SHIELD TURNS LIGHTS OFF? Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 22 2017 13:44 utc | 1 Is there a signed pdf copy of Prof. Postol´s report of the 18th of April around? Posted by: Franz Piribauer | Apr 22 2017 14:06 utc | 2 Posted by: Franz Piribauer | Apr 22, 2017 10:06:19 AM | 2
Posted by: somebody | Apr 22 2017 14:41 utc | 3 Petri Krohn 1 Posted by: Curtis | Apr 22 2017 15:00 utc | 5 Meanwhile, the Israeli-American who made the bomb threats against Jewish Community centers in the US has been charged in the US. But will Israel extradite him to the US for further prosecution? Posted by: Curtis | Apr 22 2017 15:03 utc | 6 Power Outage Posted by: Curtis | Apr 22 2017 15:17 utc | 7 Very interesting negotiations between Erdogan and the US, Posted by: AtaBrit | Apr 22 2017 15:23 utc | 8 From TRNN:http://therealnews.com/t2/story:18733:How-We-Cover-Trump-And-the-War-Within-the-American-Oligarchy Posted by: ben | Apr 22 2017 15:23 utc | 9 @ben | 9 Posted by: AtaBrit | Apr 22 2017 15:28 utc | 10 Somebody say “theory”? Posted by: ruralito | Apr 22 2017 15:28 utc | 11 “Profits Can be Made from Catastrophes With Disaster Capitalism” Posted by: ben | Apr 22 2017 15:35 utc | 12 Noirette says: ” … [Trump] flipped under threat (blackmail? …?)” Posted by: Jackrabbit | Apr 22 2017 15:52 utc | 13 Jackrabbit @ 13 said: “Trump has a wide-range of business interests that allow for all sorts of play-to-pay potential. He is/was friendly with the Clintons who made play-to-play an art form.” Posted by: ben | Apr 22 2017 15:59 utc | 14 Maxine Waters Loses Her Mind to “Anti-Russia Dementia” – Like the Rest of the Black Caucus” Posted by: ben | Apr 22 2017 16:11 utc | 15 Something that worried me today, is that on the one hand, we have a narrative that says China is siding up with the USA against North Korea, which subsequently irked North Korea and made it spout insane threats towards China. That’s a narrative even Zerohedge is pushing. Posted by: Lea | Apr 22 2017 16:12 utc | 16 Big nuclear drill in NYC, “Gotham Shield” exercise to simulate a 10 kiloton detonation over Manhattan. Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 22 2017 17:15 utc | 18 Franz @2 Posted by: ALberto | Apr 22 2017 17:24 utc | 19 Posted by: ruralito | Apr 22, 2017 11:28:24 AM | 11 Posted by: somebody | Apr 22 2017 17:31 utc | 20 Well hey yeah! Posted by: blues | Apr 22 2017 20:14 utc | 21 @20 they were. Hardship has been designed to specifically target middle and working class males. Posted by: aaaa | Apr 22 2017 20:16 utc | 22 Anyone interested in reading new fiction writing from a well-known 7-year-old “author”? Posted by: Jen | Apr 22 2017 20:33 utc | 23 I wish A Canticle For Leibowitz was required reading for US highschool students. Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 22 2017 20:37 utc | 24 >> Hardship has been designed to Posted by: dumbass | Apr 22 2017 20:41 utc | 25 Exactly, “dumbass” — by creating a new class of individuals with “limited rights”, the Rich Oppressors automatically create other classes with “limited rights”. It’s slaves beget slaves — Just within different categories. The oppressors are fully unified, and know exactly what they want. Posted by: blues | Apr 22 2017 20:50 utc | 26 In fact, MoA now has three featured articles in GlobalResearch.ca. Posted by: blues | Apr 22 2017 21:14 utc | 27 @blues – wake me up when moa makes it to the nyt, wapo, or wsj…’dinosaur propaganda outlets invaded by foreign truth tellers’ will be in the headlines! Posted by: james | Apr 22 2017 21:18 utc | 28 @ james | Apr 22, 2017 5:18:18 PM | 28 Posted by: blues | Apr 22 2017 21:23 utc | 29 Funny thing is that “propaganda outlet” is a favorite phrase of Sorcha Faal. Coincidence? probably. I like the phrasing, however. Posted by: blues | Apr 22 2017 21:33 utc | 30 Lea 16 Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 22 2017 21:53 utc | 31 @29 blues.. global research is alt news – generally ignored by masses.. based out of quebec, canada. Posted by: james | Apr 22 2017 22:18 utc | 32 Does anyone have a link to the article which Reuters is writing about here?: “The Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of the North’s ruling Workers’ Party, said in an editorial on Thursday: “In the case of our super-mighty preemptive strike being launched, it will completely and immediately wipe out not only US imperialists’ invasion forces in South Korea and its surrounding areas but the US mainland and reduce them to ashes,” Posted by: Tom Murphy | Apr 22 2017 23:07 utc | 33 The thing that bothers me about the power outages is that neither CNN or Breitbart would make the obvious connection about all 3 happening at the same time , even if the conclusion was that it was coincidence. That I only saw that connection made on RT and later Zero Hedges made me wonder. Then news that exercises for an EMP event were being planned and…… Posted by: Pft | Apr 22 2017 23:26 utc | 34 ” … Alex Jones Tries to Say He Is Just Pretending”
http://www.alternet.org/media/alex-jones-defense Posted by: x | Apr 23 2017 1:57 utc | 35 Strange regrets in liberal press, The Guardian edition: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 23 2017 2:26 utc | 36 RASHIDEEN MASSACRE TESTIMONY – A MOTHER’S VOICE 16/4/2017 by Vanessa Beeley Posted by: Stephen Bell | Apr 23 2017 2:41 utc | 37 Gareth Porter: Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 2:50 utc | 38 – Trump c.s. said that the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson is directed to North Korea but that seems to be bluff. The Carl Vinson was sailing from Singapore eastwards and not northwards. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 2:52 utc | 39 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/north-korea-warns-super-mighty-preemptive-strike-will-reduce/ Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 3:21 utc | 40 @40 w2, ‘Don’t blame Bush personally …’ Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 3:45 utc | 41 @JFL: Bush was overrun by Dick Cheney and his neocon cabal. Something like Trump is overrun by the Military Industrial Congressional complex. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 3:50 utc | 42 – Ichiro Ozawa was japanese prime minister in 2009 and wanted better relations with China but that was not to the liking of the US. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 3:58 utc | 43 @Willy2 Posted by: Nick | Apr 23 2017 5:45 utc | 44 @ Nick and Willy2 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 23 2017 6:38 utc | 45 @42 w2
… the cost of the systems will be yet another sanction, yet another bit of economic warfare, directed at the syrian people and their economy by the criminal us aggressor. Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 7:07 utc | 46 3 Syrian forces killed in fresh Israeli attack on military camp
… the syrians need those russian anti-aircraft systems yesterday … asap.
… that’s certainly welcome news. i hope the syrians and kurds join hands to drive the turks out of their country and to protect and defend it from the coalition of death, devastation, destruction, and deceit headed by the us. Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 9:52 utc | 47 “none of them are worthy to tie putin’s shoelaces, in my opinion. certainly putin has his faults, but the bald betrayal of the russian people has not so far been among them.” Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 23 2017 10:12 utc | 48 When will things ‘kick off’? Julian 49 Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 23 2017 10:33 utc | 50 It would be helpful to know if the U.S. has good poker players in this “game”. Posted by: V. Arnold | Apr 23 2017 11:01 utc | 51 @ Peter AU | Apr 23, 2017 6:33:30 AM | 50 Posted by: blues | Apr 23 2017 12:15 utc | 52 North Korea could pull off a “Monsters are Coming to Maple Street” scenario just by detonating a few warheads in the atmosphere off the coast of California. They would cause few casualties, but would shut down every computer along the West Coast, plunging the population into total chaos…which could well kill more people than any nuclear blast. Posted by: ralphieboy | Apr 23 2017 12:16 utc | 53 Many engineers question the effectiveness of a nuclear EMP attack. Posted by: blues | Apr 23 2017 12:30 utc | 54 @Nick: I don’t know whether or not the former korean prime minister wanted to improve the relationship with China. But the corruption case against her was REAL. In the past it was a common practice to bribe korean politicians but it seems that the tide in south Korea has changed as well. Like in so many other countries (think: election of Trump, Arab Spring, Brexit, etc.) the people in Korea are no longer willing to “take it any more”. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 12:31 utc | 55 So, bigly has now entered the lexicon? Posted by: V. Arnold | Apr 23 2017 12:38 utc | 56 – And Kim Jung Un seems to be developing a double chin. See picture in the link in post #55. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 12:38 utc | 57 Julian 49 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 23 2017 12:44 utc | 58 @50 p au, ‘The main threat to US is China.’ Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 12:53 utc | 59 @53 @54 Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 12:55 utc | 60 I don’t want to seeem like I supported the recently impeached prez since I am old enough to remember General Park Chung-hee her father’s antics. For those with shorter memories General Park Chung-hee took control of the nascent state of South Korea in a CIA backed coup, dismissing the elected government. He clung onto power chiefly by violent oppression, surviving many assassination attempts until even his allies decided enough was enough and a certain alphabet agency paid his palace guard to off the prick. Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 23 2017 13:08 utc | 61 @60 the image … and that goes for ‘assad gases his own people’, ‘putin is a totalitarian dictator’, ‘russia hacked us elections’, ‘iran is a terrorist country’, ‘war is peace’, ‘the indispensable country spreading democracy’ … and all the other vile spew of the dnc/cia/tnc-msm and the neocon plague that have infested the us of a since the beginning of the new american century. Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 13:20 utc | 62 @61 DiD, ‘not that she didn’t deserve to go’ Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 13:27 utc | 63 Crowds, heightened security and scuffles
… wonderful opportunity for marianne to hook the arm of the right man … we’ll know tomorrow morning … that is, i will. Posted by: jfl | Apr 23 2017 13:37 utc | 64 @22 “aaaa” sez… Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Apr 23 2017 14:13 utc | 65 @64 “jfl” Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Apr 23 2017 14:17 utc | 66 – Topic: Increased japanese military spending (thanks to GOOGLE): Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 15:02 utc | 67 – Israel & Saudi Arabia share a (drone ? military ?) base in Jordan ??? And the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun originated from there ???????????????????? Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 15:46 utc | 68 – Hillary Clinton was/is paranoid ?? And spied on the people who worked for her presidential campaign ? Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 23 2017 15:50 utc | 69 Meanwhile, the Deep State is busy making its coup against French Republic. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Apr 23 2017 20:58 utc | 70 OSCE car hits roadside bomb in Lugansk Region (Ukraine), one person’s killed, two wounded. Posted by: iegee | Apr 24 2017 0:08 utc | 71 @64 ts Posted by: jfl | Apr 24 2017 0:36 utc | 72 @72
… hope is last to die. Posted by: jfl | Apr 24 2017 0:45 utc | 73 @jfl Posted by: Circe | Apr 24 2017 0:52 utc | 74 Who remebers back in the 70’s when it was the white assed pseudo-left playboy millionaire wannabe pols who always got caught tweaking the crotches of ‘aides’? Yeah cigar Bill was much later but it was the public’s jaundiced view of the Kennedys and ol whathis name the derp who thought getting horizontal with a young luvely on a rethug lobbyist’s boat was a smart thing for a dem presidential candidate to do – what was his name again? – you know, the man who gave us George H Bush? Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 24 2017 1:07 utc | 75 @72 jfl Posted by: CluelessJoe | Apr 24 2017 1:11 utc | 76 @72 jfl Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 24 2017 1:27 utc | 77 – Topic: North Korea. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 24 2017 1:39 utc | 78 Definitely reached the farce stage … Posted by: x | Apr 24 2017 3:17 utc | 79 @ x who wrote: “Definitely reached the farce stage …” Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 24 2017 4:57 utc | 80 elijah, j. m.. – new article up.. Posted by: james | Apr 24 2017 5:09 utc | 81 There’a already some wiggle room in the (preliminary) French Election result. The cited margins are pretty much the same as the “Macron First” Punditocray’s Poll Predictions, including voter turnout. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 24 2017 6:17 utc | 82 Dutch banker exposes Luciferian nature of the ruling 8,000 to 8,500: Posted by: Anoncommentator | Apr 24 2017 6:24 utc | 83 Zio Jazeera had a snippet on Russia’s WWII theme park. There’s a reproduction of the Reichstag complete with hammer and sickle flag. There was a ceremonial re-enactment of the Russian victory over the German Nazis at the weekend attended by lots of young Russians hoping, one presumes, to be present when resolute Russia humiliates AmeriKKKa’s Nazis on their home turf (after 6 million warnings). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 24 2017 6:32 utc | 84 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 24 2017 6:50 utc | 85 Resistance is futile, all power to the Borg! Maron seems to be a high quality cyborg, some of his parts were already tested in Tony Blair. I guess that the Borg uses the inferior parts in USA where the public is less demanding. Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 24 2017 8:35 utc | 86 reaction to Stephen Bell (37) Posted by: Ingrid | Apr 24 2017 8:36 utc | 88 No country for Trumpsters Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Apr 24 2017 10:20 utc | 89 And this is how Americans are as a whole. Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Apr 24 2017 10:34 utc | 90 Kremlin Advisor Reveals ‘Cure For US Aggression’
short and sweet. Posted by: jfl | Apr 24 2017 12:59 utc | 91 Hashd al-Sha’abi calls on Erdogan to stop meddling in Iraq
i hope the ‘shia crescent’ becomes more and more self-conscious … and more and more heterogeneous. Posted by: jfl | Apr 24 2017 13:07 utc | 92 according to polls of the us populace 60% of usaians believe that us aid to israel is either ‘much to much’ – 32% – or just ‘too much’ – 28%. Posted by: jfl | Apr 24 2017 14:03 utc | 93 Ted Galen Carpenter: Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 24 2017 17:03 utc | 94 @94 “If the Trump administration wants China to get tough with North Korea, it will need to make it worthwhile for Beijing to do so.” Posted by: dh | Apr 24 2017 17:26 utc | 95 @95: Remember what I wrote earlier in this thread. China seems to reduce/stop oil/gasoline exports to North Korea. China has a reason to do that. But what’s that reason ? Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 24 2017 17:38 utc | 96 @96 Has the gas export cutback been officially confirmed? Posted by: dh | Apr 24 2017 17:59 utc | 97 Labeled “very unusual”
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Posted by: likklemore | Apr 24 2017 19:38 utc | 98 More info about the ongoing battle to establish a Multipolar World and put the Unipolar model and its despot into the dustbin. Analyst Andrew Korybko has published a new essay focusing on the importance of the CPEC–an item most have probably never heard of despite its importance–that includes links to other essays and presentations of additional import. https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201704241052940823-cpec-multipolar-world-future/ Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 24 2017 20:07 utc | 99 bumped into this fascinating article (albeit from a source/writer I detest) on how Trump’s belligerence towards Mexico and south of the border migrants may have deep deep deep ripple effects (Mexico may finally pivot to China, which has been attempting to “court” them for a very long time). Fascinating too to see mention of the “ripple effect” of China’s admission into the WTO. Those great and glorious NAFTA jobs went poof, like that river that disappeared.
Atlantic: Mexico’s Revenge Posted by: susan_sunflower | Apr 24 2017 20:09 utc | 100 |
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