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April 10, 2017
Open Thread 2017-14
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Wikileaks antartica photos Posted by: Alogon | Apr 10 2017 8:53 utc | 1 Chas W. Freeman’s latest: – highly recommended Posted by: pantaraxia | Apr 10 2017 10:11 utc | 3 http://www.unz.com/article/god-emperor-no-more/ Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Apr 10 2017 11:29 utc | 4 Alogan i’m sorry but your post contains nothing… literally fucking nothing …. why are you bringing podesta in to anything? Are you a big pizzagate guy? Posted by: Au | Apr 10 2017 13:11 utc | 5 #1 pic 13 does not contain a photoshopped ufo! Wtf ruining this board. Posted by: Au | Apr 10 2017 13:13 utc | 6 ANNOUNCEMENT! Posted by: blues | Apr 10 2017 14:12 utc | 7 blues: not all that wild a theory. Everything, especially the stock market, is in bubble territory, and politicians are frantically seeking in advance a scapegoat to point at for when the bubble pops. I have been thinking that a war with Russia would serve that purpose, but maybe a war in Syria would do the job as well. Watch the French Election. Now they’re going for Tuksi Gabbard Posted by: el sid | Apr 10 2017 14:40 utc | 10 The red line allegedly declared by Russia and Iran seems fake according to “russia-insider”: Posted by: roamer | Apr 10 2017 14:46 utc | 11 Trump has lost control of his administration — he is being blackmailed by the deep state (they have finally got him. Posted by: susetta | Apr 10 2017 14:46 utc | 12 Interesting analysis in the link below. I have my own thoughts about it but I’m more interested in hearing others’ critiques, esp. b’s. Posted by: s | Apr 10 2017 14:47 utc | 13 @ el sid | Apr 10, 2017 10:40:00 AM | 10 Posted by: PhilK | Apr 10 2017 14:57 utc | 14 Jules, it won’t happen. Everyone expected Hamon to join Melenchon, who was always ahead, except for Hamon suddenly promessing 700 euros to everyone in France! Hamon’s wife is working for LVMH. Unless they both want to end up tramps in New York, he knows that’s the red line. Even after Valls, who signed a paper saying he would support the winner of the primary, joined Macron, as did other big shots in the “Socialist” party, Hamon did not move from his anti Putin pro MB gestures. Melenchon has been very strong in answering journalists about Syria in the latest days. Posted by: Mina | Apr 10 2017 15:01 utc | 15 Kudos to Tulsi Gabbard. If she’s being dissed by capitulating grifter prostitute Howard Dean (who did some good thing at one time but then went blissfully over to the dark side to collect his grift and payola), then she’s clearly on the right track. Posted by: RUKidding | Apr 10 2017 15:22 utc | 17 @13 much too easy and simplistic Russian ships provocative give me a break and no concern on the stupidity of this “message” of “brush back” and inaccurate four children were killed. Trump exchanges dead chem children for dead missile strike children. Brilliant. Posted by: Pislyak | Apr 10 2017 15:41 utc | 18 @2 nmb.. thanks. Posted by: james | Apr 10 2017 15:46 utc | 19 @ 13 & 16
Re Tulsi Gabbard, more power to her, courageous articulate intelligent principled … sadly fear they will take her down one way or the other, sooner or later, as she fails to comply nor conform to the requirements of Neocon/lib Chickenhawk Warmongers R Us Inc. Posted by: Outraged | Apr 10 2017 15:48 utc | 20 Every US president is a mass murderer this is just American tradition. The more people Trump kills the better for his popularity. Americans love death, blood, misery, guns, wars, Rambos, crimes etc. This is very exciting for them. It seems that they are addicted to blood and death. If you are in the US and you turn on TV set there is always a lot of blood and corpses (movies, news ect.) This is strange but true. No remorse. No empathy. Just happy killing day by day. Maybe this country needs psychotherapy? Posted by: blue peace | Apr 10 2017 15:51 utc | 21 the free republican article lost me. I think Russia/Putin has shown great restraint from the taunts that the US has been throwing at them. my view of the ongoing Ukraine episode – when the elected admin turned to Russia after nixing a deal from the EU in favor of a better one from Russia – Victoria Nulan (fuck the EU) set in motion the coup (with the Neo Nazi snipers (that the leaked phone call from Estonian foreign minister said they were hired by the coup coalition). Then the civil war, Crimea going back to Russia, then the Malaysian airliner downing – the downing by Turkey of the Russian bomber – the Deir Ezor bombing by the coalition and coordinated ISIS attack – happening when russia and the US were working on coordination – then less clear -the downing of Russian civilian aircraft in Egypt – the assassination of Russian Turkish ambassador – and more… Now the false flag chemical attack and the bombing of Syrian air base days after Tillerson said Assad can stay. It is obvious Russia does not want WW3 with the US – the US knows this and is pushing – hoping to get Russia to do something stupid. Posted by: gepay | Apr 10 2017 15:53 utc | 22 @Jules, Mina Posted by: smuks | Apr 10 2017 15:57 utc | 23 In terms of manufacturing consent, did outrage at Russia over the election loosened the nuts and bolts in many minds wrt some sort of purported payback to Russia/Putin by supporting military intervention in Syria (since obviously few Americans cares — or has ever cared — about Syrians or Iraqis or Afghans or Yemeni or Libyans … or, etc.)? Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 10 2017 16:02 utc | 24 Russian Foreign Ministry has released a very detailed and documented statement regarding chemical weapon usage and fake news/ngos within Syria that provides must know context that’s never provided by any MSM. It was picked-up and republished by Southfront, where it may be in a better format for some users, http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2721218?p_p_id=101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw&_101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw_languageId=en_GB Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2017 16:06 utc | 25 @smuks 23 Posted by: RUKidding | Apr 10 2017 16:08 utc | 26 Poverty in America Posted by: Mina | Apr 10 2017 16:08 utc | 27 Xi’s visit to Trump was a bit of an anti-climax judging by the platitudes from each leader in the aftermath. The only substantial outcome was an unsolicited suggestion from Xi that Trump visit Pyongyang with ROK and starts talking with them to resolve the issues. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 10 2017 16:23 utc | 28 Israel can always count on IS zombies for a little provocation. What next? Posted by: Mina | Apr 10 2017 16:27 utc | 29 @10 Posted by: Bob | Apr 10 2017 16:31 utc | 30 UPDATE Posted by: el sid | Apr 10 2017 16:32 utc | 31 Things are going to be heating up in the Deir Ezzor area very soon. This is the lynchpin to any plan to partition eastern Syria away. If I were the Syrian Army General, I’d be asking the Russians to drop in a brigade of paratroopers soon…The Americans are on the way. Posted by: str8arrow62 | Apr 10 2017 16:55 utc | 32 https://wearechange.org/unconfirmed-reports-u-s-massing-troops-in-jordan-to-invade-syria-against-isis/ Posted by: LXV | Apr 10 2017 16:57 utc | 33 Two interesting things in the last 24-48 hours Posted by: WG | Apr 10 2017 17:09 utc | 34 @ 33 LXV Posted by: Yul | Apr 10 2017 17:12 utc | 35 The attack on Tulsi Gabbard (notably led by Borg-State Democrats like Howard Dean and neoliberal media conglomerates) is interesting – looks like questioning the basis of the “Assad launched a chemical attack” stories is a major sin. The only non-Internet media coverage that questions those claims is outside the American-British system, see dw:
A real investigation would look for direct evidence, circumstantial evidence (motivation), and reliable witnesses. For direct evidence, if chemical tests of the composition of the poison gas matched various reference standards (Syrian sarin stockpiles? ISIS or Al Qaeda-manufactured sarin? Turkish sarin stockpiles? Libyan sarin stockpiles?) , then you can say it probably came from such-and-such a stockpile. So where are the victim’s clothes, soil samples, etc.? Why haven’t they been sent to testing labs around the world? Posted by: nonsense factory | Apr 10 2017 17:12 utc | 36 @36 Posted by: Bob | Apr 10 2017 17:21 utc | 38 Quote from Chaz Newman, linked above: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 10 2017 17:53 utc | 39 Posted by: Mina | Apr 10 2017 17:57 utc | 40 @elsid “Real” Democrats hate Tulsi Gabbard. She didn’t carry her share of the water for Clinton the Second, among other things. They will be out to primary her. I’m sending her a small monthly contribution. Posted by: chuckvw | Apr 10 2017 18:06 utc | 41 @karlof1 Posted by: xor | Apr 10 2017 18:08 utc | 42 @WG 34 Posted by: smuks | Apr 10 2017 18:09 utc | 43 @RUKidding 26 Posted by: smuks | Apr 10 2017 18:16 utc | 44 See Jared at the war! Posted by: Dean | Apr 10 2017 18:23 utc | 45 @35 Yul Posted by: LXV | Apr 10 2017 18:28 utc | 46 smuks @ 44 Posted by: Dean | Apr 10 2017 18:32 utc | 47 “low-life, know-nothing, worthless braggart con-man” Posted by: RUKidding | Apr 10, 2017 11:22:53 AM | 17 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 10 2017 18:37 utc | 48 nonsense factory 36 Posted by: Curtis | Apr 10 2017 18:37 utc | 49 xor @42– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2017 18:40 utc | 50 The slave trade in Libya. Thanks, Secretary Clinton! Posted by: chuckvw | Apr 10 2017 19:01 utc | 51 Sputnik debunks “chemical” attack – https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704101052502141-white-helmet-syria-chemical-attack/ – with an interview by Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli of Swedish Doctors for Human Rights – all a show. Posted by: GoraDiva | Apr 10 2017 19:20 utc | 52 Ziad provides a brief recap of the propaganda war waged against Syria aimed at enabling the invasion and its escalation, https://syrianperspective.com/2017/04/homunculus-trump-a-gulliver-in-brobdingnab-a-blithering-liar-and-idiot-syrian-perspective-delivers-the-exclusive-truth-about-the-aggression-in-shuayraat-and-trumps-epiphany-75-al.html Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2017 19:52 utc | 53 https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/09/bill-mahers-muddled-attacks-on-islam/ Posted by: FecklessLeft | Apr 10 2017 19:52 utc | 54 It becomes even more comical as Centcom says it didn’t mean to damage runways! You can’t make this stuff up! https://southfront.org/us-central-command-we-didnt-make-shayrat-airfield-inoperable-becase-we-didnt-want-to-do-this/ Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2017 20:15 utc | 55 The latest, it seems: Posted by: Madeira | Apr 10 2017 20:41 utc | 56 The next False Flag against Syria is already being filmed, al Jazeera crews on the ground, it will be White Phosphorous blamed on Assad this time. Posted by: Greg Bacon | Apr 10 2017 21:03 utc | 57 @smuks | Apr 10, 2017 11:57:44 AM | 23 Posted by: Krollchem | Apr 10 2017 21:12 utc | 58 Apparently there will be no Tillerson-Putin meeting …. and depending on who/what you read, this has been “known” since yesterday (Stratfor and others) although initially reported as “Angered at strike, Putin will not meet with Tillerson” … there’s since been some backtracking and claims that either Tillerson canceled or that there never was a scheduled meeting
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 10 2017 21:12 utc | 59 more then anything it is a propaganda war.. i guess it always has been.. countries are throwing a lot of good money after bad it seems, and it ain’t just by supporting the financial and military sector.. i guess the msm, hollywood and all their servants have to get into the act too.. Posted by: james | Apr 10 2017 21:19 utc | 60 “The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.” Posted by: Les | Apr 10 2017 21:35 utc | 61 – In early april the US, Japan & South Korea held a 3 day military exercise. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 10 2017 21:39 utc | 62 has this been posted? Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 10 2017 21:41 utc | 63 @ susan sunflower.. if you read more and posted less you would know the answer to your question ! see @ 57 Posted by: james | Apr 10 2017 21:45 utc | 64 “The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment.” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 10 2017 21:56 utc | 65 Willy2 @62– Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2017 21:58 utc | 66 – The US seem to have prepared an attack on North Korea in 2003 Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 10 2017 21:58 utc | 67 #9 Jules Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 10 2017 21:59 utc | 68 This seems like a good effort wrt the recent chemical attack. Posted by: bakerpete | Apr 10 2017 22:13 utc | 69 This report by two real USA scientists deserves full read. Posted by: mauisurfer | Apr 10 2017 22:19 utc | 70 Posted by: Circe | Apr 10, 2017 1:15:52 PM | 37 Posted by: jfl | Apr 10 2017 22:31 utc | 71 Amazing! The Artist of the Deal has invented a whole new Deal (Reality?) The ReRepublic! Where the non-exceptional people pay money to the exceptional people who lie to their faces while mass murdering brownish humans. Continually. Without end. How’s that for getting your money’s worth. Posted by: ALberto | Apr 10 2017 22:37 utc | 72 Look what Russia now accused of! (Already posted by Susan Sunflower 63 above.)
I have now analyzed the video evidence that forms the alleged proof of alleged attack. I can state with high confidence that no victim of a gas attack received treatment at the White Helmets cave hospital (the one Russia allegedly helped bomb) on April 4th.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 10 2017 22:56 utc | 73 Perhaps a good time to pause for a little recap. Donald is going to bmob the crap out of North Korea and by extension give China a good spanking. He will also dismember Iraq and Syria and create friendly new states in the region. Israel will become safe and welcome in the area. Russia is going to be in big trouble if they don’t smarten up. Iran is toast. NATO will pay their fair share of the costs or else. I’m not sure exactly how all this will make America Great Again but I’m sure Donald knows. Posted by: dh | Apr 10 2017 23:08 utc | 74 NYT Staff wins Pulitzer Prize for something something Russia. Go one to announce themselves as winners on social media before prizes awarded. NYT Staff deny knowing results in advance, claim ‘a mistake and some wishful thinking.’ Classy. Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 10 2017 23:16 utc | 75 @71,75 Posted by: Circe | Apr 10 2017 23:33 utc | 76 Wonder if Russia will respond to Trump aggression by doing something similar to Ukraine fascists. Say a cruise missile attack on a Ukraine base. Posted by: Vollin | Apr 10 2017 23:34 utc | 77 Clarification on DW. Their video version on PBS World hews to the MSM side on this story like most. In fact, their coverage of the Syria story today had a couple of snippets from Khan Sheikhun with one little girl with a golden toy gun in her mouth and another little boy standing inside a stripped, bombed out car. Totally staged for effect. Posted by: Curtis | Apr 10 2017 23:46 utc | 78 Yeah, right 65 Posted by: Curtis | Apr 10 2017 23:50 utc | 79 An interesting, and highly respectful, article about the new Syrian President, Dr. Bashar al-Assad, from the NY Times in 2000 (“The Shy Young Doctor at Syrias’s Helm”). I wonder when they stopped referring to him as Dr. Assad? Posted by: Madeira | Apr 11 2017 0:09 utc | 80 numbers are “better” than I feared
cbs news. Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 11 2017 0:14 utc | 81 @33,34
It’s as some of us suspected, the U.S. is aiming to control the Syrian-Iraqi border and Trumpster must be greenlighting troop escalation on the sly. Posted by: Circe | Apr 11 2017 0:15 utc | 82 @69 bakerpete Posted by: jfl | Apr 11 2017 0:18 utc | 83 Curiosity killed the cat… or so they say. Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 11 2017 0:28 utc | 84 Any takers for the Russian response next time round? @81
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/trumps-approval-ratings-increase-after-missile-strike-in-syria/ Posted by: Circe | Apr 11 2017 0:40 utc | 86 Posted by: Circe | Apr 10, 2017 8:15:34 PM | 82 Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Apr 11 2017 0:42 utc | 87 To add to my 86: It’s not America First; it’s Trump First. Posted by: Circe | Apr 11 2017 0:48 utc | 88 The other reason to turn on the Kurds is because it keeps the Turks relatively “neutral” vis-a-vis Russia/USA and it also allows them to keep their hold on their bargaining chip/ ransom hostage Incirlik airbase. @71 jfl
From the mouths of babes 😉 Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2017 1:34 utc | 90 /~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by: blues | Apr 11 2017 1:42 utc | 91 The signals coming out of the White House right now are too confusing to draw any conclusions about Trump’s intentions for Syria. I don’t think he knows himself. Posted by: peter | Apr 11 2017 1:48 utc | 92 @74 dh.. it is going to become great again cause the american smuks are going to buy what donald sells them! buy american, lol… buy, buy, buy! or is it bye, bye, bye?? Posted by: james | Apr 11 2017 2:10 utc | 93 Anyone still here that thinks Mr. Trump is the progressive answer for the American workers? Americans, as a whole, have to be some of the most gullible morons on the planet. “Make America hate again.” Posted by: ben | Apr 11 2017 2:15 utc | 94 Wilkerson: Trump Attack on Syria Driven by Domestic Politics Posted by: ben | Apr 11 2017 2:18 utc | 95 Re: Posted by: peter | Apr 10, 2017 9:48:44 PM | 92 I think the analysis of the strike on the air field is flawed, after watching this for the last 25 years. The strike was real and a probing attack in force. It was to get ready for a full scale invasion to setup safe zones and split up Syria since NATO does not have the required force or funding for a Iraqi style invasion. But they do have limited resources to keep Russia and allies at bay and enough support to keep anyone else from stepping in too deeply to oppose them. The response from Russia and allies also shows this and that if they openly defy then NATO will escalate it to the point of breaking any red lines that Russia imposes. The non official low level response via proxies like al manar and press tv shows there will be a response for breaking red lines. The US already said there will be follow up attacks. And unless Syria itself can defend itself much better than currently, things will worsen. Read the reaction from others to this openly setup false flag and aggression, the saudis still got a lot of money to hire anyone for anything. They cant defeat Syria, but they sure can achieve their goals which it seems currently to bypass Russia for Oil and Gas and the logistics between Iran and the Mediterranean. If anyone puts up a red line, Nato under the US will immediately break it under some pretext of R2P. Heck they have spent close to 100 billion on this adventure. Iran has been supplying Syria with pretty much all expenses at 5 bil or so per year in oil and food. Ofcourse it is all peanuts in the long run compared to the benefits. Posted by: Igor Bundy | Apr 11 2017 2:46 utc | 97 Required logistics lead time for materiel pre-deployment in advance of ~100,000-150,000 conventional combat troops deployed ‘on the ground’ is minimum ~3-6 months. Cannot be realistically fully hidden/disguised/concealed. And no, the support for existing SF/Advisors and support units in Syria nor reduced existing deployments in Iran locale/region nor in SK/Japan, doesn’t count in any of the theaters. Same same whether Syria, Iran, North Korea. All very unlikely re current speculative ‘chatter’. Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2017 2:55 utc | 98 jfl, MadMax2, Outraged: Circe’s partisanship 4) Circe’s first comment at MoA deflected criticism of Hillary’s Jewish support (“Top Five Clinton Donors Are Jewish” – How Anti-Semitic Is This Fact?). In his comment, Circe:
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