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April 6, 2017
Israel Just Received A HUGE Gift From Russia. What Is Its Side Of The Deal?

Russia just published a quite sensational statement on Israel and Palestine. It recognizes, as before, East-Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Palestine. But Russia now also recognizes, under certain condition, West-Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

This statement will make quite a wave and it has to be seen in the wider context of the war on Syria. Here is the original statement in Russian on the Foreign Ministry site and the auto-translation (excerpt):

Moscow continues to consider the formula for negotiating a two-state settlement of an optimal and friendly to us Palestinian and Israeli people, as well as to the interests of all countries in the region and the world community as a whole.

We reaffirm our commitment to the UN resolutions on the principles of settlement, including the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state. At the same time, we consider it necessary to say that in this context we regard West Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

Specific parameters for addressing the full range of issues of the final status of the Palestinian territories, including the Jerusalem problem, should be agreed upon in direct negotiations between the parties.

The part marked by me in bold is new. Older statements of Russia never included such a recognition. It is bound to conditions ("in this context") so there is no free lunch for the Zionists. But it is still a huge achievement for Netanyahoo.

For a wider context of the new Russian position we have to look at the conflict in Syria. There the pressure on President Trump to launch a war on Syria's government (and, make no mistake, thereby also on Hizbullah, Russia and Iran) is increasing. The probably staged chemical incident yesterday was the starting point for an intense pro-war campaign.

Yesterday the Israeli Defense Minister Lieberman accused Syria:

Lieberman told Yedioth Ahronoth that Syrian planes carried out the two chemical attacks, which were “directly ordered and planned by Syrian President Bashar Assad.” He stressed he was “100 percent certain.” The defense minister said he did not know if Russia was involved in the attack.

Russia and Syria have denied that either of them used any chemical ammunition. They say that the Syrian air force bombed an al-Qaeda ammunition depot which, unknown to them, may have included chemical weapons.

Today the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo called the Russian President and part of that call was a serious rebuke from Putin:

Mr Putin and Mr Netanyahu exchanged views on the incident involving chemical weapons on April 4 in the Syrian province of Idlib. Mr Putin underscored, in particular, that it is unacceptable to make groundless accusations against any party until a thorough and objective international investigation has been conducted.

But also part of that call, though not mentioned in the official note, must have been some agreement that led to the release of the statement above by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

A deal must have been made. A give and take and the West-Jerusalem release is part of the payment or reward. It is a HUGE price to win for Israel. It is against the long held international consensus which only considers Tel Aviv to be Israel's capital. Russia's concession gives cover for President Trump to make a similar announcement without messing up U.S. relations with Arab states or anyone else.

We can only speculate on the Israeli side of the deal, but there must be something Netanyahoo committed to. Russia would not offer this new position for nothing.

My speculation:

The mighty Zionist lobby in the U.S. (AIPAC & Co) is pushing for an immediate war on Syria. (It did so in 2013 but Obama called the war off at that time after the British parliament and later Congress rejected it.)

Netanyahoo could let it known that he prefers no war on Syria. The Zionist lobby in the U.S. would then shut up, pressure on Trump would be much relieved, a new war on Syria could be avoided.

In 2013 Putin arranged for a deal to destroy Syria's chemical arsenal. The elimination of Syria's strategic weapons was a huge gift to Israel. It also allowed Obama to keep face and keep away from war despite all pressure.

Now Putin is making another huge offer. Will Israel take this gift? Will Netanyahoo call off its AIPAC dogs of war?

The offer is not Russia's last political resort with regard to Israel.

A million Israelis are of Russian heritage. They emigrated to Israel in the 1980s and 90s. They are mostly not really Jews but vote conservative. They also admire and cherish Putin. That is one reason why no Israeli politician, especially Netanyahoo, can afford a big political conflict with Russia.

Putin's ultimate threat to Netanyahoo is to influence the Russian voters in Israel and to make them vote against him. It is a personal nuke under Netanyahoo's seat.

But Putin does not like to issue threats. He offers and makes deals. So one wonders what the real deal behind the above acknowledgement of West-Jerusalem is. Is my speculation correct or are their better explanations?

Comments

Unnamed defense official stated: Strikes are over until another decision is made. Huh??? Sounds like Trump opened the door for future illegal military strikes against Syria.
Suddenly the media is rallying around Trump because the agenda is still on track. It’s a sickening spectacle.
Here’s the question no one is asking: Where’s the proof that the chemical attack was ordered by the Syrian Government? Is Assad stupid enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory???

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 3:13 utc | 101

Tillerson’s trip to Moscow next week suddenly becomes all important. I expect Putin will drop in on that meeting for sure now.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 7 2017 3:15 utc | 102

Leith Abou Fadel‏Verified account @leithfadel 1h1 hour ago
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Of all the airbases the US can target in Syria, they target the one installation the Syrian Air Force uses to specifically bomb ISIS
Leith Abou Fadel‏Verified account @leithfadel 1h1 hour ago
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Just spoke to a source. Russians were present during the bombing of the Shayrat Airbase.
Majd Fahd‏Verified account @Syria_Protector 39m39 minutes ago
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#Moscow: #USA didn’t inform #Russia about it’s intention to strike Al-Shuairat airbase!!!!
https://twitter.com/leithfadel

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7 2017 3:16 utc | 103

If the US did target an airfield that that was only used against ISIS, these would most likely be aircraft that were helping defend Deir Ezzor.

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7 2017 3:20 utc | 104

This extraordinarily reckless provocation by Trump and Team IS A WAR CRIME! The United States HAS NO AUTHORITY, NONE, ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH to even be in Syria. They are solely relying on legalese and the authorization from the Iraq/War on ‘Terrists’ Act passed I believe in 2003 under the idiot Bush and Co.
American’s must demand the removal of this man and his entire team. Like many here, I gave him plenty of rope but after tonight’s absolutely stupid most stunning act of any leader I’ve ever seen the rope just got cut off. HE MUST GO!!! He has proven tonight, along with Mad Dog Nut Job, he is not trustworthy nor a leader Americans should ever trust. EVER!!!
My god man, once upon a time American law was based on innocent until proven guilty. Trump proved tonight this law, national or international, is dead. He’s as sick in the head as Hillary!
We’re F*@#^ed!!!

Posted by: h | Apr 7 2017 3:26 utc | 105

@99 Grieved
Do you honestly think that Trump believed Assad would shoot himself in the foot by launching a chemical attack with thousands of U.S. troops already in and around Syria, when he was making progress in this war? Do you honestly believe that Mattis & co. aren’t keeping Trump abreast of the progress the Syrian Gov. and Russia and coalition have made?
The U.S. needed a strategy to interrupt this Syria/Russia/Hezbollah/Iran progression to victory, because the U.S. wants to get there first with its own agenda. This incident is just the beginning.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 3:27 utc | 106

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/syria-gas-attack-and-donald-trumps-military-response-dont-add-up-unless-putin-orchestrated-it/2210/
Palmer Report – “I’m suggesting that Vladimir Putin orchestrated a gas attack in Syria so Donald Trump could strike back in minimal and symbolic fashion, and that Putin told Trump ahead of time to go ahead and begin building up troops in advance, and that Trump went along with the horrifying stunt. And yet this is – incredibly – the least convoluted explanation that makes any logical sense.”

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 7 2017 3:37 utc | 107

# 95 Julian
You sure are hanging onto a straw there buddy.
For the first time in my now not so short semi-lurking here on MoA, I feel I need to apologise to Circe.
The chances of Trump having beem blackmailed into doing something like this using the lives of his kids and wife, vs the likelihood he was a reality show Zio plant all along are now slim to none.
Having said all of this, I still can’t find one ounce of blame for the now mainly ex-Trumpists. Given the choice between a nasty, ugly Hitlary rock (and she said earlier today that all of Syrian Air Force should be destroyed) and a hard orange place, they chose the slightly less likely one to fire the opening shot of WW3.
Slightly less likely doesn’t equal unlikely… lets hope we and our loved ones all survive the tough days, and hopefully years, ahead.

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 3:38 utc | 108

And so it begins: Ted Cruz just made a statement supporting Trump’s decision echoing Marco Rubio and others and further stated this: I look forward to our Commander-in-Chief making the case to Congress and the American people how we should do so [he really means expand the mission in Syria, i.e. AUMF] in the days ahead.
After the failure of repeal and replace and tax reform the Republican Party is now rallying with one voice around Trump’s illegal strike on Syria. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
(AUMF – Authorization to Use Military Force against Syria)

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 3:39 utc | 109

Circe, there is very little I agree with you on, but your comment at 108 ending with ‘this incident is just the beginning’ I couldn’t agree with you more on. This is just the beginning and if the international community does not stop or hold him to account then it’s left up to us…Americans. He has proven tonight he is an extremely dangerous, unpredictable individual who should not be leading the mightiest of military’s on planet earth.
His actions tonight clearly demonstrate he has an agenda unbeknownst to Americans. This agenda, as nefarious, underhanded, secret as it appears is and should be unacceptable to every breathing American.
Syria is not and never has been an enemy to the United States, but it is such an enemy in the eyes of our wretched Middle East allies including Israel. I’m sick to death of them all.

Posted by: h | Apr 7 2017 3:40 utc | 110

So first the hearing on Russia started going the wrong way for the neo-cons, then something about Susan Rice come up, so everything was going Trumps way as far as Obama phone tapping/surveillance of Trump.
Next thing is AQ snuff movie, Nunes steps down, Bannon gets the boot and Trump launches an attack on Syria. Looks like either Trump has been rolled somehow, or has done a deal.

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7 2017 3:51 utc | 111

so, how many syrian planes were destroyed? all this is at the us’/israeli ‘discretion’ … nothing putin did or does figures much at all. especially since he has chosen not to respond – in the past to israeli incursions – and now to israeli ordered us incursions.
if he’d shot down the israeli aircraft over syria the us would never have put it’s missile ships in danger. as it is the us/israelis now know they are in no danger at all in syria. they can pick ’em off one by one. no problems.
it was a valiant effort by russia. but i think they have lost it all.
still tuned in. what the hell do i know?

Posted by: jfl | Apr 7 2017 3:52 utc | 112

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 6, 2017 11:38:53 PM | 110
To be fair, I’m not that hopeful, but Putin better act if he doesn’t want to see Syria destroyed.
Move the Russian defensive nukes to Syria and Southern Iran or else.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 7 2017 3:54 utc | 113

Circe, to sample a mainstream riposte to the seemingly irrefutable “Why would Syria be so foolish as to order a sarin attack when everything was going its way on the battlefield?” there is the NYT’s chief anti-Assad propagandist Anne Barnard’s The Grim Logic Behind Syria’s Chemical Weapons Attack.
The answer? Complete demoralization of Assad’s civilian opposition. In other words, we are being asked to believe that Assad is not motivated by battlefield tactics, nor overall military victory, not even the continuation of the Syrian Arab Republic; rather, Assad seeks above all to demoralize his public.
This is the best they have come up with so far. It’s embarrassing how thin and brittle the propaganda is.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 7 2017 3:54 utc | 114

@108 Circe
I don’t agree with most of your positions but I certainly acknowledge the sophistication of your thinking, capable of holding several possible twists and turns in any grasp. To answer the question of your first paragraph – no, I don’t think Trump has thought this thing through with all the ramifications and permutations you encapsulate so concisely in your few words. I think you’re giving the thinking too much credit there.
This doesn’t make your second paragraph wrong. I can agree with the plausibility of this scenario. But I don’t think there’s a conscious connection in Trump’s thinking between your two paragraphs.
In plain speaking, then: Trump is not a stupid man but he’s a very face-value man. He believes the simple, surface narrative of what we have the luxury of dissecting as a false flag. Or perhaps it might be better to say he has to act this way because all the forces arrayed around him are invested in this narrative. Any subtlety in his mind will have to wait for a calmer day to hit his thinking – maybe even when he’s out of office. He is after all POTUS and he has to push buttons based on his inputs.
Kissinger once said that before office you get to put your mind together, and when you get into office with the pressure of events you can only use the thinking you have in place. No time to reflect, until you leave office and recharge your thinking. This strikes me as very true.
So, yes, it appears there are considerable forces still working on the old plan of keeping ISIS alive, toppling Assad, etc, etc. But this is just one part of the US. Trump was elected to counter these forces. Remember the old US saying: “When you’re up to your ass in alligators it’s hard to remember your goal was to drain the swamp.”
One final postscript. I’m not a Trump supporter, as such. I’ve come to regard him as the closest thing we have to a natural force working in the US establishment. What’s obvious is that all the forces arrayed against him are trying to influence him to their ends – this alone speaks of his prior non-alignment. I await further facts on the ground to reveal if he can be given strength and influenced back to his campaign thinking. Far to soon to conclude or despair – this game is long, and also involves the people of the US, even if Trump ends up as a sacrifice in the great game. I will still bet my own money on his survival and eventual redemption in the eyes of history.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 7 2017 4:02 utc | 115

@107
Wow! You finally see the light.
____________________________________
Again: What was Assad supposed to gain from this chemical attack being pinned on him? The Coalition in Syria was on the path to victory and we’re supposed to believe that Assad would pull something like this chemical attack and hand victory to U.S. in their 11th hour combat mission in Syria and give the Empire the perfect excuse to expand this war?
Of course they needed to derail the Syrian Coalition’s progress!

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 4:07 utc | 116

There’s an airbase that the US has been expanding the runways on. Time for a little tit-for-tat. Hell, it should have been done already.
Of course, give them the courtesy call like they gave Russia to get their people out of the way.

Posted by: woogs | Apr 7 2017 4:14 utc | 117

Putin has the power to “burn” Trump any time he decides too.
He can simply leaks proofs that THERE HAS BEEN collusion between him and Trump.
The US MSM will jump on it as it will provide them with the necessary tools to call for Trump’s impeachment.
Because of this, Trump is a Putin’s mercy.
After the sudden, unjustified and humiliating attack on the Syrian air force, Putin may decide that Trump has gone too far and should be removed.
We may see the US investigation suddenly getting new compromising elements…

Posted by: virgile | Apr 7 2017 4:15 utc | 118

Only the dead have seen the end of war. – Plato

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 7 2017 4:15 utc | 119

Although this action is unforgivable, perhaps this is where we are now with global diplomacy, using the lives of innocents as bartering chips between great military powers. Ego-tripping, rendering a sovereign nation unable to defend itself against bloodthirsty hordes, and meanwhile Raytheon makes off with $70 mil of our money. No war, not just yet, but definitely a game-changer, and definitely warrants more credence to posters like Circe. We gotta work together now. Move beyond Hillary or Trump bs and start doing the heavy-lifting as objectors. If the guy hasn’t been decrying empire since his diaper-days, then there is no fucking way we let him close to public office in the future.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 7 2017 4:18 utc | 120

@120 Virgile
Negative, ghost-rider. Nowadays, the msm has already flipped the Trump-Russia-collusion-narrative as a total fiction, orchestrated by the Russians to discredit Trump’s legitamcy. Get with it pal. That shit was so April 5th.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 7 2017 4:23 utc | 121

Oh, hell. Trump’s gone and done, either bcz he was played or bcz he’s just a mean bastard.
But, whoa! 60 freaking cruise missiles?? And with severe issues as to the truth of accusations against the Syrian government?
Bet he wants to get laid to night.

Posted by: jawbone | Apr 7 2017 4:36 utc | 122

#120 virgile
Why would the slime bother jumping on anything Anti-Trump, no matter how true or false, now that he finally got with the progam?
Based on the Western media coverage, you’d say that today for the first time Trump’s finally doing the right thing – starting WWIII.

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 4:36 utc | 123

My hope is this a one-hit-wonder attack a la Obama’s strike on the Yemeni coastal radar station last fall after an an alleged Houthi attack on a US Destroyer (fast Saudi transport ship actually). Many screamed “Gulf of Tonkin incident” but naught came out of it..

Posted by: Lozion | Apr 7 2017 4:40 utc | 124

The Russians best not act like spineless jelly fish. I await their response. They should, at a minimum, bar US planes from Syrian airspace

Posted by: Alaric | Apr 7 2017 4:40 utc | 125

Posted by: h | Apr 6, 2017 11:40:32 PM | 112
He is caught in his own patriarchal brand, that he fixes things and gets things done.
It is extremely dangerous. Basically we all are dependent now on Russia and Iran being rational agents.
From what I can guess Assad refused to split his country. It reminds me of Milosevich.
And frankly, I am not sure of Russia’s opinion on this.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 4:44 utc | 126

ironic way to celebrate 50th anniversary of MLK’s Riverside speech
> “I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government.”

Posted by: mauisurfer | Apr 7 2017 5:00 utc | 127

#128 somebody
As a person who’s read both english translations of Dr Assad’s interviews, and many of those with S Milosevic in Serbocroatian, I can assure you that Dr Assad is a nuclear scientist in comparison to the Serbian idiot from lower Morava, who was probably below Saddam’s intellectual capability and thought almost to the moment NATO attacked in 1999 that the West wasn’t really out to get him let alone that he had been played like a fiddle all along.

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 5:08 utc | 128

One has to tip ones cap to the fascists in the US.
They obviously planned this false flag and attack on Syria to coincide with Xi’s visit. It will be interesting to see what sort of quiet strong arm tactic the US places on China today. No doubt an attack on N. Korea is in the offing. Xi will get an ultimatum today.
The problem is that Russia did not back down to fascist threats and attacks in the past. The US is banking that they will today. This attack on Syria is an attack on Russia and China, not to mention Iran. The choice they have is capitulation or all out war.

Posted by: blue | Apr 7 2017 5:10 utc | 129

@117
You’re telling me that the same man who chased down Obama’s birth certificate, and wrote this in a tweet: How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s “birth certificate” died in plane crash today. All others lived
The same guy who claimed the election would be rigged; who claimed his phones were tapped in Trump Tower during the campaign, who doesn’t trust his own shadow, this same skeptic on everything would not question the absurdity of this obvious chemical frame against Assad?
At the very least, it was an opportunistic move, an excuse to boost his poll numbers. Nothing like a spectacle of U.S. military power or shock and awe to rally patriotism, the media, your own party and the country behind you. Unfortunately, this benefit for Trump is only part of it; there’s more going on here and this test will only embolden this Administration to strike again and escalate further.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 5:11 utc | 130

“choice they have is capitulation or all out war.”
No not necessarily but a forceful and strong response is required. It need not be military in nature.

Posted by: Alaric | Apr 7 2017 5:20 utc | 131

Add for candidate to run against Trump in 2020:
1. Must be a bald-face liar.
2. Must be unabashedly pro-military/war/chaos
3. And most importantly; candidate must be capable of mass murder, cold blooded killer of women and children, and willing to chance WWIII against Russia and China.
Applicants please reply to Democrats, Republicans, or warmonger party of your choice.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Apr 7 2017 5:20 utc | 132

#132 Circe
Just as a few of us have finally caved in and admitted you might have been right about Trump’s ultimate slavery to the Zios and lack of integrity, now you are trying to make a case for Donald having attacked Syria to gather US votes.
There is 0 natural support among the Tea Partyists for a war against the only guy in Syria who gives half of a rats rear end about the Syrian Christians.
Your rednecks vs hipsters retarded dichotomy has tainted your perception to the point of partial blindness, yet again.
Trump is losing ANY CHANCE of reelection by his base by escalating the war in Syria.
This does NOT benefit him in any way.
Unless they blackmailed him with the lives of his family.

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 5:21 utc | 133

Only thing that can stop these wars is a draft.

Posted by: Shadyl | Apr 7 2017 5:24 utc | 134

If one Russian sub gets one 10-megaton warhead on New York, is there anything left to discuss?
Trumpino, your tower, dust. And everyone in it.
Dude.

Posted by: stumpy | Apr 7 2017 5:29 utc | 135

“Unless they blackmailed him with the lives of his family”
I doubt it but something is up. Trump just did a 180 based on very clear bullshit. Maybe they have dirt on trump or maybe they threatened his businesses. Maybe he did this to get the neocons off his back.
But don’t rule out the obvious. Trump is a gullible idiot who has surrounded himself with neocons.

Posted by: Alaric | Apr 7 2017 5:31 utc | 136

You think the Don left a dead horsehead in Xi’s bed?

Posted by: stumpy | Apr 7 2017 5:32 utc | 137

“Add for candidate to run against Trump in 2020”
I can visualize a Godzilla Cockroach cross. Highly resistant to lethal doses of radiation. Also, highly intelligent. Not that it is beneficial against the ash of Donald Trump.

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 5:34 utc | 138

RE: stumpy | Apr 7, 2017 1:29:52 AM | 137
Actually, just one of their standard-size 800-kiloton warheads would do (they have 700 of these ready to launch with a few minutes warning, we have 300 cities with populations greater than 100,000)
http://thebulletin.org/what-would-happen-if-800-kiloton-nuclear-warhead-detonated-above-midtown-manhattan8023
What would happen if an 800-kiloton nuclear warhead detonated above midtown Manhattan? | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 7 2017 5:37 utc | 139

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7, 2017 1:08:04 AM | 130
Frankly, in some situations it does not matter if you are a moron or highly intelligent, the outcome is the same.
Strategy wise, the US seems to have diminished the capabibility of the Syrian airforce to act independently from Russia.
This, at the exact moment when Assad signaled that he is not Russia’s puppet and Russia communicated that they do not control what the Syrian government is doing.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 5:40 utc | 140

That airbase in Syria had been non-functional for a very long time. If memory servers it finally got a bit of a buffer zone around it about 6 months ago… a buffer that has evaporated and been re-established at least 2 more times since that first ‘securing of the airbase’. When first secured it was featured in a number of articles as a possible site for re-basing some of the Russian bombers. That was denied by the Russians and no bombers showed up. While the base had some fuel caches for helicopter operations in the area, it was never very secure as repeated advances to within striking distance of the airbase had to be continually beaten back by the SAA. While there was some improvement in the situation around that airbase since Palmyra was retaken, there was no indication is was being currently used in any active fashion.
Obviously Trump had no choice but to show himself tough on the Russians. Maybe this will quiet some of the hounds in the US press. An impressive show of force (60 tomahawks could have destroyed a lot of important infrastructure). Yet Russia previously demonstrated in 2013 that it could shoot them out of the air. So that they did not do so now may be a way of giving Trump a PR victory to tweet about without doing any kind of serious damage. What remains to be seen is what kind of followup there will be.

Posted by: les7 | Apr 7 2017 5:50 utc | 141

les7
Yeah bombing another country, illegally, no big deal..sigh wake up. This is the “follow up”:
Tillerson: ‘Steps Are Under Way’ to Remove Assad From Power in Syria
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/06/tillerson-steps-way-remove-assad-power-syria/

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 5:54 utc | 142

#135
I suspect the bulk of Trump supporters care primarily about the status of whites in the USA and how he will raise that as well as domestic issues. The rest don’t really matter.
Trump appears to be unable to deliver on obamacare and tax reform. Does this matter to most here? I don’t think so.
As long as he can make them feel MAGA is underway, things are ok.
#142
Well both the Iranians and Syrians need to appreciate Russia’s interests better.
In the meantime it’s one nice show that’s going on.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Apr 7 2017 5:56 utc | 143

@135
I wrote that this benefit was only part of the equation; the main purpose was to open the door to expand the U.S. mission in Syria. No one wins with their base alone, and all deep-state compromised Presidents end up betraying that base, but the irony is that their base will never completely abandon them as some are still proving even after this stupid act of betrayal by Trump. Obama also betrayed his base, and many still hung on, and he won a second term, although in the last primaries that base rejected Obama’s endorsement of Hillary and supported Sanders until he was thrown under the bus by his party.
@133
If Russia does not respond in a credible, serious way expressing a commitment to defend Syrian airspace from further strikes or escalation beyond fighting ISIS then it will lose everything fought for in Syria appearing weak and opening the door to the Empire’s takeover. It will embolden this Administration to strike again as it has with Israel.
What Trump did is not only opportunistic but dangerous. There is no credible proof that Assad perpetrated this chemical attack, no logical motive behind him doing so, and worst of all, Trump circumvented International Law rushing to attack before a UNSC consensus on the facts and appropriate legal response on such matters thereby stooping to the usual extra-judicial hubris that characterizes Neocons.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 6:04 utc | 144


My god man, once upon a time American law was based on innocent until proven guilty. Trump proved tonight this law, national or international, is dead. He’s as sick in the head as Hillary!
We’re F*@#^ed!!!
Posted by: h | Apr 6, 2017 11:26:58 PM | 107

Yep. The Syrian fake war is a Christian Colonial project based on a seamless (and traditional) carpet of baseless bullshit – going all the way back to the UK East India Company and the Opium Wars.
Punishing suspects before an investigation has been started/concluded is the behavior of barbarians.
Putin has to impose a price on Western liars to help the Christian Colonials to sober up. I’d start with the UK Ambassador to the UN, the UK inventor of the White Helmets, and several other hi-profile Eurotrash liars. Killing Christian bearers of False Witness has always seemed like a good idea to me.
It’ll be interesting to discover what Putin thinks.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 7 2017 6:05 utc | 145

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/06/trumps-war-whoop-a-gulf-of-tonkin-moment/
….The western media and the political class have already decided that the incident is going to be used for two purposes:
1. Discredit Syrian President Bashar al Assad
2. Create a justification for increasing US military involvement.
The fact that Assad and Putin have already denied that Syria used chemical weapons (“We deny completely the use of any chemical or toxic material in Khan Sheikhoun town today and the army has not used nor will use in any place or time, neither in past or in future,” the army said in a statement, as quoted by Reuters) is not going to make any difference at all. The pretext has already been established and the Pentagon’s strategy may soon be launched.
At the very least, we can expect a more forceful attempt to seize and occupy the eastern quadrant of the country, establish military bases, impose a no-fly zone, and boost the number US combat troops in the theater. There’s also a good chance that the US will engage the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) at Deir Ezzor in their effort to clear and capture east Syria.
The prospects of a conflagration between the United States and Russia are increasing by the day. God help us all.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 7 2017 6:06 utc | 146

trump – perfect leader for the exceptional nation.. gets his inside scoop from twitter or the msm and has no compunction about bombing countries on false pretext.. classic exceptional nation behaviour…

Posted by: james | Apr 7 2017 6:09 utc | 147

Those who want to see the chess game and not just the checkers game are routinely sneered at here and elsewhere. Perhaps this a moment in which some folks can grow up a little bit. Might be a good time to quit your sneering and to start trying to see the deeper patterns. Start by putting aside the phrase “conspiracy theorist” as a way to dismiss someone.
Russia’s tepid response to Trump’s assault on Syria tonight and the declaration that Russia does not unconditionally support Syria appear to signal tacit support for the US’ escalated aggression and disregard for national sovereignty – it does not matter at this point that Putin’s words support national sovereignty as a key principle. So what is Putin’s real game? We must not only bring up this question but we must continue to entertain it.
Personally I think his role can be classified generally under the rubric of “controlled opposition” to the rise of the global corporatist empire.

Posted by: paul | Apr 7 2017 6:15 utc | 148

Isis has already taken advantage of the situation. From Russia insider:
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they have an air force — bigly Everyone knew it was coming, but who could have guessed that it would begin so quickly? Islamic State has just launched an offensive in the eastern countryside of the Homs Governorate, according to Al Masdar News. Leith Fadel reports:
Capitalizing on the U.S. missile strikes, the Islamic State stormed the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) checkpoints near the strategic town of Al-Furqalas.
According to local sources, the Islamic State has yet to make any gains near Al-Fuqalas, but without necessary air support, the situation could worsen in the coming hours. The Shayrat Military Airport is one of the Syrian Air Force’s most important installations in the fight against the Islamic State due to its proximity to the Palmyra and Deir Ezzor fronts.

Posted by: woogs | Apr 7 2017 6:17 utc | 149

Well Russia could have sold some anti-missile weaponry but other than that, what could they have done?
This is a rerun of Libya I fear.
Also folks remember there is already a post on Syria where we can comment.

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 6:28 utc | 150

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 7, 2017 2:05:02 AM | 147
He thinks it is against international law.
I wonder what France and Britain will say.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 6:30 utc | 151

SYRIA and RUSSIA WILL NOW INVOKE A NO-FLY ZONE OVER ALL OF SYRIA in 5 – 4 – 3 – 2 – 1 —–

Posted by: blues | Apr 7 2017 6:42 utc | 152

Haha, wow. Trump just lost the presidency. Posturing or not, this is retarded, he flipped Hillary in good part on his well documented anti-war message – especially re: Syria in 2013 – and he’s just wasted that anti war big card + wasted a lazy 70 million + acted as de facto ISIS Air Force.
…on the back on an uninvestigated White Helmets campaign…?

Posted by: MadMax2 | Apr 7 2017 6:45 utc | 153

somebody
What France, UK will say? Seriously? What do you think? Wake up!
EU love war and will support Trump and/or say something like:
“EU call for all involved parties to cease its military activities and start the peace dialogue”

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 6:58 utc | 154

Daesh Militants Attacked Syrian Army Positions Simultaneously With US Strike
I don’t think that things will escalate from here. The US military is very much aware that any follow up would spell war between nuclear and non-nuclear nations, something they and their partners in the EU and ME have no appetite for.
There’s so many more targets to hit if the objective was to indeed inflict maximum damage (which is the usual goal in warfare). This wasn’t a demonstration of things to come, rather a show of force to slow (if not completely break) the momentum of the SAA in Idlib and elsewhere. To chip something off for their recent victories.
It was also intended to set a new landmark; the US reserves the right to strike any Syrian government positions whenever.
I don’t see that sitting well with the Russians. The pressing question now is, what will be the Russian response?

Posted by: never mind | Apr 7 2017 7:02 utc | 155

Have people here already forgotten how Russia treated Libya? Go figure what “response” would be. No response. There you have it!

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 7:16 utc | 156

#155 Madmax
You are absolutely right – as I said previously he just assuredly lost the 2020 election – unless he wins the staredown, or a full fledged nuclear war, with Russia.
And he knows it.
IMO there are only two options now.
1) Trump and his neolibcons plan to escalate this to the brink of WWIII, and possibly over the brink, or
2) He has been blackmailed with the lives of his nearest ones, so winning the 2020 doesn’t feel that important anymore

Posted by: Quadriad | Apr 7 2017 7:22 utc | 157

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7, 2017 2:58:22 AM | 156
Britain, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey have already said they approve. I don’t think France has. Nice company.
Minute shifts are important. Many create a big wave.
How do you deal with someone who acts unpredictably? You sure don’t go into an alliance.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 7:30 utc | 158

Well, the CIA has been taken over by the mafia. How hard could it be to take over a bunch of bureaucrats?

Posted by: blues | Apr 7 2017 7:30 utc | 159

Quadriad
Dont you think like any other time of war, the president will become MORE popular during his war? This Trump know, after all his problems with the establishment, deep state, media etc he will get a boost in support by this from the americans (and also Nato, EU etc).

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 7:31 utc | 160

Donald Trump on Twitter 2013 – prophetic tweet
30.08.2013: “The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!”
cognitive dissonance

Posted by: maningi | Apr 7 2017 7:32 utc | 161

I can’t believe it! I was listening to Rula Jabreal on CNN talking like a FREAKING Neocon, what I thought was a Palestinian activist talking like a Zionist Neocon! The smugness and hubris that Trump unleashed with this strike is nauseating.
For goodness sakes – she forgets who stirred the pot in Syria – Zionist and U.S. operatives with Saudi proxies! And she’s addressing Americans slamming Asssad like he’s today’s Hitler and solely responsible for the mess in Syria, like Americans have the fucking moral high ground or something! This lying-assed duplicitous narrative is infuriating. She forgets who has the most blood on their hands!
Arab spring bla-bla-bla, the Syrians weren’t asking Assad to step down they were only asking for some rights – BULL SHIT! This was about regime change from day one; it was about inciting chaos, terror, destruction, and extending the imperial vassal Saudi Monarchy’s rule and Zionist expansionist interests, and least of all gas pipelines! There was no pure objective here – it was an illusion fed to naïve, manipulated sheeple who are incapable of forming a just and viable government associating with Wahhabism and terrorist mercenaries. Americans could give a rat’s ass about the Syrian people. They’re responsible for the MILLIONS of refugees. They’re responsible for at least a million or more deaths since 9/11! And here’s the kicker, Trump has gone all sensitive over gassed Syrian babies, using this as an excuse to expand this war, but my God, he slammed the door on Syrian refugees – he’s helping the Saudis slaughter a starving population in Yemen, Yemeni babies – he just had close to 200 civilians slaughtered in Mosul and dozens in the Yemeni strikes – RU – LAAAA! Where’s the moral high ground in what Zionist Neocons have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Waziristan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and YES, YES, S Y R I A???
It’s unbelievable how easily everyone forgets who started all the shit in the Middle East, who had hegemonic aspirations fraudulently labelled spreading democracy, liberty and freedom. How can you enjoy the latter when you’re DEAD or maimed and orphaned? Why aren’t they spreading such gifts in Bahrain??? She of all people, who has witnessed Palestinians suffer endlessly under the scourge of Zionism should know better than to peddle the Empires’ propaganda. I’m done with the viral bullshit Trump’s move on Syria unleashed. I can’t take it any more – this is Iraq redux. Who knows how this will end now?

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2017 7:34 utc | 162

If Russia smashes the Saudi Arabian Oil infrastructure to stop the money wars, who will try to stop them? Trump? Not likely.

Posted by: blues | Apr 7 2017 7:39 utc | 163

Russia suspends agreement that prevents direct conflict with American forces

The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday that Moscow is suspending a memorandum with the US that prevented incidents and ensure flight safety.
“The Russian side is suspended by the Memorandum on prevention of incidents and ensuring aviation safety during operations in Syria, signed with the United States,” the statement read.
Under the memorandum, signed after Russia launched an air campaign in Syria in September 2015, Russia and the US had exchanged information about their flights to avoid incidents in the crowded skies over Syria.
Russia has several dozen warplanes and batteries of air-defense missiles at its base in Syria.

The other side – Turkey, Saudi, Israel – is shouting for a noflyzone.
This is getting hot war fast.
I wonder, did Trump know about the agreement and about its significance …

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 8:14 utc | 164

blues 165
There will be no retaliation military strike from Russia. If they do something it will be full pre emptive strategic nuclear strike against the US.

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7 2017 8:15 utc | 165

Well, considering the ongoing massacre in Yemen, wouldn’t it be time for someone to bomb some Saudi airbase? Just a warning shot, mind you. 60 missiles should be enough.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 7 2017 8:21 utc | 166

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7, 2017 4:15:22 AM | 167
I think Russia has just thrown the US out of Syria.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 7 2017 8:28 utc | 167

Just wanted to add my 2c to say this discussion thread really made me smile at a dark moment, seeing that everyone here is on the same page regarding these recent developments more or less.
We may all disagree on here about this or that from time to time, but its refreshing to hear imperialism rejected across the board and no apologies nor obfuscations made of the empire in any way (nor for any of its individual actors/players). Really has stimulated some interesting perspectives and criticism.
The hearty discussion here and all the conjecture that comes along with it during pivotal events such as these is the reason why I value MoA (that goes for b AND the community just as much). Especially at times like these (b hasnt even covered these strikes as of my post) where there is little info about a momentous bit of overt aggression, its nice to have you all here adding to the debate constructively.
ill get off my soapbox now. and lets hope and pray for the best in the coming days.

Posted by: FecklessLeft | Apr 7 2017 8:36 utc | 168

Question is, will US start bombing Iran the same? Or even the nuclear armed North Korea? This act of aggression by the US opens up so many doors.

Posted by: Anon1 | Apr 7 2017 10:15 utc | 169

Anon1 171
This is the type of strike I fully expected Trump to use, but against Iran rather than Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 7 2017 11:04 utc | 170

OK, so looks like only 23 of the 59 missiles hit the target, the rest land elsewhere allegedly. Was it done on purpose or are all Tomohawks that bad?
The runway of the base appears to be intact, though most of the infrastructure around was damaged. 6 deaths have been reported so far on Zerohedge, which is deeply regrettable, but not militarily significant.
The Russians so far have responded by sending the gunboats and bringing up 2003 Iraq. Can you feel it? The stench of war? Let’s hope push doesn’t come to shove

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 7 2017 11:29 utc | 171


This is getting hot war fast.
I wonder, did Trump know about the agreement and about its significance …
Posted by: somebody | Apr 7, 2017 4:14:00 AM | 166

Superimposed footnote on ABC.au News TV a few hours ago…
“Putin says American ships were preparing for Syria strike before the alleged gas attack.”
Plus…
According to Pat Lang the Russians informed the AmeriKKKans of the Syrian air strike on the Daesh base which led to the toxic gas release.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 7 2017 13:02 utc | 172

Putin wont be in charge when Russian and allied forces will be invading Israel, by all means. It might be only the Generals, which Rothchild will have no control off. It is destined that many Jews will perish and the remainder will become Christians. So will Persians.
OPENING SALVO OF WWIII HAS BEEN FIRED THIS MORNING IN SYRIA!
Prepare yourselves. Save your souls, not your bodies because it is written, many will perish.

Posted by: The 5th Crusade | Apr 7 2017 15:27 utc | 173

Persians and Greeks will once again share a common border just like the old times but under a common religion. They are the rightfull owners of the ME. Oded Yinon will remain a fantasy. 33 years after the end of this war, final hour befalls humankind. The party is OVER. Be one with God.

Posted by: The 5th Crusade | Apr 7 2017 15:35 utc | 174

b,
I agree there was a deal but not about Syria. Just speculating, but the root of the deal may have started with Israel showing signs of staging another attack on Lebanon (within the last 2 months). Russia might have threatened reprisal, causing Bibi to go full Saakashvili. The chemical “event”, which could have been an accident, served to get everyone to the table. The deal may have canceled the Lebanon operation, allowed Trump to flex some muscle in Syria without causing extensive damage, and put Russia on record re Jerusalem as you say. Except for the unfortunate lives lost and Trump sacrificing his base, the outcome was generally positive. Who benefited most? Israel, as usual. Israel does nothing and gains concessions.

Posted by: mrr52 | Apr 7 2017 16:09 utc | 175

The author lacks knowledge of basic Israeli politics. Anything short of a undivided Jersualem is unacceptable for most Israeli parties, let alone Likud, so this is hardly a huge payment. If anything, it’s a challenge to post-1967 Israeli policy and diplomacy, that won’t be welcome nor by Netanyahu, nor Herzog.
One must be ignorant to state that the million soviet inmigrants aren’t really Jews. 80% of these inmigrants are full Jews in the eyes of orthodox religious Jewish law (that is, born to a Jewish mother), the other 20% are of Jewish ancestry, but not Jewish according to the Orthodox.
Piece lacks research.

Posted by: Tomás | Apr 7 2017 18:21 utc | 176

manishtanah halilahaze

Posted by: biggs | Apr 8 2017 7:40 utc | 177

Tomas 178
http://www.wzo.org.il/Mission-Statement
About the World Zionist Organization
The World Zionist Organization was founded at the initiative of Theodore Herzl at the First Zionist Congress which took place in August 1897 in Basle, Switzerland.
When it was founded, the goals of the Zionist movement were stated in a resolution that came of that Congress and came to be known as the “Basle Program.”
Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a legally assured home in Eretz Yisrael. To achieve this purpose, the following means shall be employed:
Promoting the settlement of Jewish farmers, artisans, and tradesmen inPalestine.
Organizing and uniting the whole of Jewry through effective local and international means in accordance with the laws of each country.
Strengthening of the Jewish national sentiment and national consciousness though Israel education with shlichim.
Preparatory steps toward obtaining the consent of governments, where necessary, in order to achieve the goals of Zionism.
The WZO consists of the following bodies: The World Zionist Unions, Territorial Zionist Federations; and International Organizations that define themselves as Zionist, such as WIZO, Hadassah, Bnai-Brith, Maccabi, the World Sephardi Federation, the three major streams of world Judaism (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform), a delegation from the CIS – Commonwealth of Independent States (former Soviet Union), the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS), and more.
……………….
The difference between jews and Zionists is there for all to see. the Zionist fuckers advertise it on a web page.
You Tomas lack the basic IQ required to punch a simple search term into google.

Posted by: Peter AU | Apr 8 2017 7:54 utc | 178