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March 29, 2017

Trump Is a . . . Agent

Everyone agrees that Trump is an agent. But who's agent is he? Thousands of words have been spilled discussing the issue. The opinions differ:

The question seems to be difficult. Luckily we have have the paper of record and its eminent next-six-months columnist Thomas Friedman who finally provides the clear and banal answer:

Trump Is a Chinese Agent

I though you would like to know that ... it is preposterous nonsense. But what else could one expect from Friedman.

More seriously. My impression is that there is only one person for whom Donald Trump is willing to act as an agent. That person is Donald Trump.

So the person Trump works for is not very knowledgeable, not very smart and not very likeable.

I would have been nice if the U.S. electorate had had a chance to vote for a better one. But that was - unfortunately - not the case.  The result has to be accepted. Fighting it is useless. The war on issues has begun.

Could someone go and tell the Democrats?

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With Assad not only weathering years of destabilization efforts but actually strengthening his regime’s power, Israel has apparently realized that it might have to changes its strategy to consolidate control over the Golan Heights and its resources in the event that Assad proves impossible to remove from power. According to Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli daily newspaper, Yoav Galant – Israel’s minister of construction – has proposed a multibillion-dollar plan to rebuild the nation after the civil war it has helped to fuel has destroyed large swaths of the nation’s infrastructure.

According to the proposal, the U.S. would take the “special role” in assuming the financial burden of reconstruction through “dozens of billions of dollars” of investments. Despite the weight that such a plan would place upon U.S. taxpayers, Galant asserted that the plan would be advantageous to the U.S., as well as Russia, Europe and the “moderate Sunni world.”

Not surprisingly, Galant’s plan comes with several caveats. One of them is the negation of Iranian influence in Syria, the other key reason for Israel’s involvement in the country. But most telling of all is the plan’s demand that Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights be internationally recognized – the condition on which the entire plan hinges.

Galant’s proposal to rebuild Syria came only weeks after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that “the Golan is part of Israel and we will stay there for the world to acknowledge it as so.”

This plan – as absurd as it may seem to some spectators – may be the Israeli government’s last-ditch attempt at a “diplomatic” solution to the Syrian crisis, as tensions between the Israeli and Syrian militaries have spiked in recent weeks.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-israeli-plan-to-capitalize-on-syrias-civil-war/226328/

So Trump is giving 20 billion dollars to Israel to use a bargaining tool with the Syrians for the right to formally annex the Syrian Golan Heights.

Posted by: Les | Mar 29, 2017 1:26:53 PM | 1

Rather than starting yet another Trump thread, i suggest the readers rather go celebrate the 50 years since the release of the first Doors' album, and find the way to the next whiskey bar.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 29, 2017 1:28:34 PM | 2

Every headline offered cracked me up. Each more ludicrous than the last.

I am so glad to be out from the liberal thumb that I am just watching things unfold, knowing that I am totally ignorant (as is everyone else not in the immediate loop) the next pundit. It is all conjecture no matter where you get your facts.

The man was the better option for the people, he knew how to play and play bigly, and now the most pressing issue we have are the democrats who refuse to grow up and will not do so until they are forced to. Communists are like that and they press harder and harder the more frustrated they become. Bolshevism has arrived in the United States on a major level, alive like never before in this country. And you know where that can lead.... it is, after all, 100 years since they overtook Russia.

Posted by: Noor | Mar 29, 2017 1:31:02 PM | 3

This is so easy to settle, "who owns Trump's markers"?

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Mar 29, 2017 1:45:57 PM | 4

Hope is a drug for some/many...

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703291052087595-us-sanctions-trump-russia/

Commenting on the new sanctions, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that they aren’t in the security interests of the US and disagree with Washington’s statements about fighting terrorism being a top priority.

"This step isn’t consistent with the statements we’ve heard from Washington on the priority of the fight against terrorism, including the [announcement that the US would build] a nest on Syrian territory. On the contrary, it completely contradicts this line and undermines the perspectives of building a broad multilateral cooperation aimed at destroying the IS [Daesh]," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said in a statement.

Posted by: ThatDamnGood | Mar 29, 2017 1:48:34 PM | 5

The irony that -- according to the most terrifying/terrified scenario -- America was infiltrated and has now been taken-over by the Russians during our 16 year long "War on Terror" hasn't sunk in yet ... I still waiting for the echoing laughter ... oh and some CIA mea culpa.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 29, 2017 2:07:15 PM | 6

Posted by: Noor | Mar 29, 2017 1:31:02 PM | 3

Bolshevism has arrived in the United States on a major level, alive like never before in this country.

Not Bolshevism but fascism.
And it did not arrive but got revealed. Conform or perish.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 29, 2017 2:22:08 PM | 7

b, I know your are trying be fair and balance. Last topic Democrats now Republicans

"Could someone go and tell the Democrats?"

b, I nominate Circe Democrat troll and diehard apologist

Posted by: OJS | Mar 29, 2017 2:36:06 PM | 8

I disagree with this semi-last statement from b "The war on issues has begun."

The issues that are being pushed are those that segment of the elite want focused on. They are not the issue the Dem elite support want to push AND, bottom line, they are not the issues that humanity and other nations and the public want moved forward.

Trump is the latest agent/puppet but not of the same lineage as the Dem agents/puppets. The Dems are providing magnificent cover for Trump's early moves.

Trump's early moves are not those of a Russian nor a Chinese agent but those of an agent of the global elite families that own private finance and everything else allowed to be owned. Do the Chinese or Russia own the BIS, SWIFT, IMF, etc. global finance tools?

AND, that is the issue that won't be brought forward by either faction, ending fealty to the God of Mammon.

Commenters may call me a dreamer, but like John Lennon, I am not the only one.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 29, 2017 2:44:23 PM | 9

The United States has indeed been undermined by a fifth column, but that fifth column undermines American interests, security, and treasure in the interest of Zzionism, not Russia. The neocons and neoliberals represent the compromised - Vichy, as it were - component of the American political apparatus as they have sold their souls to advance the interests of a foreign power at the expense of their home country. Much the same can be said for "New Labour" in the UK; that's what they call it once they infiltrate and undermine what should have been the people's party..."neo".

As far as Trump is concerned, he's a blackmailer's dream due to hsi having spent considerable time with Jeffrey Epstein. It's safe to assume the aforementioned fifth column (remember, Epstein received considerable financial support from the so-called Mega Group - Les Wexner, Shelden Adelson, etc) has plenty of volatile blackmail material in the form of surreptitiously videotaped encounters with underage women with which to keep Trump in line. Regardless of whether he may or may not have wanted to pursue a different agenda while he was campaigning, it can well be assumed that he is under the full capture of hostile elements and will now pursue their agenda.

Perhaps not at all ironically, it's safe to assume Epstein collected similar blackmail material against Bill Clinton (and myriad others, no doubt), so the election was essentially a choice between two compromised candidates...perfect for the fifth column.

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Mar 29, 2017 2:51:44 PM | 10

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 29, 2017 2:44:23 PM | 9

Commenters may call me a dreamer, but like John Lennon, I am not the only one.

He wasn't a dreamer, he just wrote a song about it.
He wrote plenty of songs about all kinds of things, including about Norwegian wood and about semolina pilchard climbing Eiffel Tower.
In the latter one he said he was the egg man and the walrus.
Obviously he wasn't the only one. :-P

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 29, 2017 3:10:05 PM | 11

The choice between Clinton or Trump was no choice as they are 2 sides of the same coin. I don't see why the results should be accepted.

The US electoral is as rigged with it's phony bipartisan choice and legalised corruption through "donations" as in any other autocracy because whatever the voters choose, there is no difference in the policy outcome whether it be domestic or foreign. Troops never left the colonies under Obama but instead expanded their footprint and Trump is only 2 months in power and further increasing the overt military footprint in Syria, Korea and Europe. We can only guess about the covert expansion.

Choice is an hallucination.

Posted by: xor | Mar 29, 2017 3:14:31 PM | 12

I was of two minds whether to post this here or on the previous thread. The article is an answer to both: the previous thread because it deals with motive, and this one because it addresses the character of agency which both Trump and his Democratic opponents possess.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/03/29/us-and-them-the-fatal-divisions-of-exploitative-culture/

Posted by: juliania | Mar 29, 2017 3:29:10 PM | 13

Still my favorite is from August, 2015, which might have been posted here., "Is Trump a Clinton plant?"

http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/250445-brent-budowsky-is-trump-a-clinton-plant

Posted by: Michael | Mar 29, 2017 3:29:28 PM | 14

Just wanted to share a new article by Russ Baker at Who What Why. Frankly I've been unimpressed with the content on there for the last 6 months or so, it's taken a decidedly partisan slant with lots of guest contributors. Set aside some time it's 5000 words and is so convoluted the summary has to tell you to be shocked because honestly at that point I was more befuddled than anything else.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/03/27/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

Posted by: WG | Mar 29, 2017 3:34:19 PM | 15

Trump, like Bush, will push the 'elite's brutal agenda forward in a campaign of political shock and awe. Then presumably a smoother Dem will be elected to consolidate and expand what Trump has done, just as Obama consolidated and expanded what Bush did.

Interesting that Zakharova let the cat out of the bag - Russia wants to make a deal with the US, where the US gets its chunk of Syria, so long as it cooperates with Russia. No doubt part of this deal will be "don't mess with my pipeline dreams and I won't mess with your pipeline dreams.

Posted by: paul | Mar 29, 2017 3:41:54 PM | 16

maybe someone could tell the zionists, who could then go tell the democrats, lol...

Posted by: james | Mar 29, 2017 3:44:24 PM | 17

funny how assad's government is always called a *regime*. Orientalism you say?!

Posted by: steppx | Mar 29, 2017 3:51:22 PM | 18

Russia and China are too larger prey for this pack of barking dogs to tackle. Sooner or later they will all catch the scent of either Iran or North Korea and still snapping and snarling at each, go howling after one of these countries as easier prey.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 3:57:25 PM | 19

@18 steppx.. these usa regimes drive me crazy...

Posted by: james | Mar 29, 2017 4:00:26 PM | 20


RT & Sputnik blamed for interfering in Google search results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2TGLSVvdg


These people are sick in the head, I am telling you.

Posted by: Anon1 | Mar 29, 2017 4:14:52 PM | 21

maybe the question at this point is, what is the role of humour in political punditry?

which, at least when you're talking about the gracelessly aging laughing stock of goobers inside the beltway, is moot to the gills if you've seen any of those recent videos of barely recognizable human parts strewn around the streets and sidewalks of Mosul.

Posted by: john | Mar 29, 2017 4:26:29 PM | 22

In reply to hopehely, 11.

Agree about Lennon. And by extension the Beatles.

Pretty tunes, sometimes a little more than pretty, often inventively arranged by nameless professionals who obviously enjoyed their work, anything goes lyrics that it was mandatory to find significant. In general, a vacuous escapism that suited the spirit of the times.

Not to be confused with the raw genius of the Sun City Presley or the crazy dynamism of a Little Richard. There must have been something to Lennon though. He could see, or someone told him, what Chuck Berry was about.

Reverting to topic, I hope they don't hamstring Trump completely. For good or ill he seems to be the only shot in the locker. For good, is my belief, if he's let get on with it. Though there seems to be stuff going on in Belarus, the Ukraine, and the ME that might be more Clintonian than promising.


Posted by: EnglishOutsider | Mar 29, 2017 4:36:17 PM | 23

I concur that Trump is most assuredly boxed in by blackmailers vis a vis Epstein. That said, Trump was not a force for the good of the common working people. He simply fooled them with cleverness in the same way that Barry Cocaine fooled the common people.

Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29, 2017 5:19:57 PM | 24

Addendum: The choice of warmongering, insane giggling murderer, Clinton alternative was certainly not palatable either.

Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29, 2017 5:22:30 PM | 25

John Lennon was a degenerate! The Beatles were a marketing gimmick posing as music.

Anyway, somebody mentioned choice.. well there was no choice, as xor(#12) said, as John Pilger said as well.
Somebody mentioned Fascism, somebody mentioned Bolshevism.. well it's both if you think about it. It's most certainly Zionism - I mean look at the cabinet of Trump and listen to his absolute fealty to the interests of Israel.

@24 yeah - that's why he's the republican version of Obama

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 29, 2017 5:27:41 PM | 26

Agree that tRump's his own agent and the qualities of his client.

As to other agents, in an interview with National Interest Magazine published today, Mr Lavrov provides some damning evidence as to Obama's agency in driving the current Russophobic craze and its connection with tRump, http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2710445

As with the previous lecture I linked to, this is yet another must read as it's filled with many nuggets of info not previously known--certainly not known to the reading audience. There are several interesting questions and answers; my fav is "... you mentioned bringing normalcy to the U.S.-Russia relationship. What do you think “normal” is?" Lavrov's reply is long, but this intro to his entire answer is a gem:

"Sergey Lavrov: “Normal” is to treat your partners with respect, not to try to impose some of your ideas on others without taking into account their own views and their concerns, always to try to listen and to hear, and hopefully not to rely on a superiority complex, which was obviously the case with the Obama administration. They were obsessed with their exceptionality, with their leadership."

As to Russian interference in US affairs:

"Sergey Lavrov: I believe that these absolutely groundless accusations – at least I haven’t seen a single fact that this was substantiated. I believe these accusations were used as an instrument in the electoral campaign, which for some reasons seemed to the Democratic Party to be an efficient way to raise support among the American people, playing on their feelings that no one shall meddle with American affairs. This is a Russophobic instrument. It was a very sad situation because we never wanted to be unfriendly with the American people, and apparently the Obama administration, the elite in the Democratic Party, who made every effort during the last couple of years to ruin the very foundation of our relationship, decided that the American people should be brainwashed without any facts, without any proof." [Emphasis mine]

And of course there's so much more. I do have one point of disagreement with Mr Lavrov, however: "Sergey Lavrov: Well first, I don't believe that we are having another Cold War. Ideologically, we’re not different, we’re not apart." [Emphasis mine] The goal of the Outlaw US Empire remains the establishment of Full Spectrum Domination which means a Unipolar world that's clearly authoritarian if not dictatorial and anything but a democratic multipolar or "polycentric" world system--tRump has not renounced that doctrine/policy goal nor is such a change reflected in the Outlaw US Empire's behavior.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29, 2017 5:32:01 PM | 27

Posted by: EnglishOutsider | Mar 29, 2017 4:36:17 PM | 23

There must have been something to Lennon though.

He was an idiot. He choose to live in New York.
If he moved his ass to Tokyo instead, he would be still alive.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 29, 2017 6:06:41 PM | 28

They can put that Mickey Mouse House Intelligence Committee's investigation to sleep cause the heavy-duty boys from the senate are going to take over. They want to talk to at least twenty people. Depending on what they find they can appoint a special prosecutor as a next step. One with subpoena powers that might even extend to Trump's tax returns.

This is a serious step and it will be nothing like the congressional joke that Nunes was co-chairing with Schiff. There will be nobody acting as a surrogate for Trump this time round. If there was any monkey business it's got a good chance of coming to light. If Trump and his boys are clean then they will be vindicated.

It will be interesting to see Manafort, Stone, Page, Flynn, Steeles and Kushner tell their side of the story under oath. There was a lot of meetings with a lot of different Russians. Enough to warrant the kind of scrutiny that's about to begin.

Posted by: peter | Mar 29, 2017 6:19:01 PM | 29

@26 & 28 Chuck Berry was kinda degenerate too. Is this anti rock star day at MOA?

“Imagine six apartments/ It isn't hard to do/ One is full of fur coats/ The other's full of shoes." Elton John's 40th. birthday message to John Lennon. .

Posted by: dh | Mar 29, 2017 6:22:17 PM | 30

Reimagining China and Asia
by Chas W. Freeman, Jr.
This is the second of three lectures on the changing international political, economic, and military environment after the Pax Americana. The first considered changes in the pattern of relations between great and middle-ranking powers. The third will address the changes underway in the Middle East.
http://lobelog.com/reimagining-china-and-asia/

Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 29, 2017 6:34:27 PM | 31

Did you read the Friedman's entire article, b?

Not that I'm a fan of the TPP (or Friedman himself), but the points about the USA squandering America's lead in clean power are pretty sound:

'So you tell me that Trump is not a Chinese agent. The only other explanation is that he’s ignorant and unread — that he’s never studied the issues or connected the dots between them — so Big Coal and Big Oil easily manipulated him into being their chump, who just tweeted out their talking points to win votes here and there — without any thought to grand strategy. Surely that couldn’t be true?'

Posted by: sigil | Mar 29, 2017 6:48:16 PM | 32

Voltaire may ask of whom you may not criticize. With the Donald it may be whom he hasn't threatened ( wrestling days style "Get him", or Langley "I'll build a place for you (second row people ?) without columns." Think igloo/ bucky-ball and not the few trade center towers for their last ten seconds...or the Chechen Potemkin condos. If Donald's info CZARS only knew I'm certain things would be better, for their hedge funds.

"Top Ten Loyalties in America! You said 'High School buddies.' Money and Me tied for first place. Survey says...Number five! The Flag and the constitution through which it is impaled was Number Nine...Today's episode brought to you by a grant from the Long Emergency. Standby."
When in doubt I ask what James Jesus Angelton would do.

Posted by: failure of imagination (sp?) | Mar 29, 2017 6:50:24 PM | 33

@32 they didn't have to manipulate him. Trump HATES windmills and probably hates solar for that matter. Why shouldn't he? They are not very good methods of electricity generation.. Clean coal has a viable possibility, however IMHO.

Regardless, Trump so far has been and looks to be a godawful president

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 29, 2017 6:52:10 PM | 34

Were we not surprised to see reports that Flynn was not the Russian agent but rather a Turkish lobbyist? Could be both I suppose... Maybe he can go work for Re/MAX.

Remember Tillerson's sweep into SOS with barely a sniff from the opposition? Oil rules, energy masters, Dakota pipeline restored, coal freed from regulation, energy independence for all? Pro oil and pro zionist entity, a smash hit. Oil, that is, Black Gold, Texas Tea.

And what is energy about if not real estate? Les @1 and Paul @16 called it, I think -- if not for the business of governing (health care? meh...), Trump would probably get to move on what he set out to do in the first place, make a deal with the Russians and Zionists, so the Izzies can take over Europe and the Russians can expand over Asia, India in particular. At least that's how the market seems to shape up to me.

If you look at the elite resistance framed as climate change and russophobia on the one hand, and the Saudi alliance with the Clinton fundations, it kinda makes sense. The regime change and cultural destruction the CIA was invented for back in the '40s doesn't seem to be such a great shortcut to plunder after all, otherwise the ME would have been sucked dry already. Too many Ayatollahs and Sheik Yerboutis. Not to mention Dead Kennedys.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 7:15:29 PM | 35

/~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-29/hillary-...

Hillary Slams Trump In First Post-Election-Loss Speech: "Resist, Insist, Persist, Enlist"

Clad in purple, Hillary Clinton took on the Trump administration Tuesday in one of her first public speeches since she devastatingly lost the presidential election.
\~~~~~~~~~~

Trump shown very few redeeming qualities. Very disappointing, and thinking about him gives me a headache.

(Also, where do people come up with the impossible idea of "clean coal"?)

Posted by: blues | Mar 29, 2017 7:15:57 PM | 36

Trump is a nerve agent.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 7:19:53 PM | 37

Posted by: blues | Mar 29, 2017 7:15:57 PM | 36

(Also, where do people come up with the impossible idea of "clean coal"?)

From Alberta I guess, the same place where you will be receiving super clean oil from. Those clean oil sands fields.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 29, 2017 7:27:04 PM | 38

yeah - clean coal and clean fracked oil, lol... take the mountain tops of the hills in kentucky and let the run off do what? or how about those clean tailing ponds in the athabaska region? clean... sure... and i am a used car salesman too, lol.. don't forget to add that..

Posted by: james | Mar 29, 2017 7:45:21 PM | 39

@2 mina

agree

Posted by: jfl | Mar 29, 2017 8:24:53 PM | 40

Court of London to Ukraine: Pay! Russia wins summary judgment over 3 billion dollar debt


Earlier on Wednesday it became known that the High Court of London had denied Ukraine a full-scale consideration of the dispute with Russia about unpaid $ 3 billion, rejecting Kiev's arguments that the case should be viewed in a broad economic and geopolitical context.

It was then reported that the British judge granted the Russian defense's petition for an expedited consideration of the claim (summary judgment).


destroyed countries and slaughtered people mean nothing to the kourts in the city of london ... but challenge the 'sanctity' of debt? nein! the gavel comes down in nanoseconds, kourt time.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 29, 2017 8:27:42 PM | 41

Did you read the Friedman's entire article, b?
Not that I'm a fan of the TPP (or Friedman himself), but the points about the USA squandering America's lead in clean power are pretty sound:
...
Posted by: sigil | Mar 29, 2017 6:48:16 PM | 32

It's meaningless, emotive rhetoric - a truism.
Effective propaganda always includes a nugget of truthiness.

"squandering America's lead in clean power" sounds so Doomsday-ish, but America has never been a global leader in clean power compared to, say, Germany. So what's your excuse for buying TLF's bullshit when you already knew he's is a fool and a liar?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29, 2017 8:41:54 PM | 42

Just saw on the front page of the newspaper that Trump wants to "End the War on Coal"!!!

Maybe he really is just plain stupid.

(IIRC Obama fell for the "liquid coal" hoax when first inaugurated.)

Posted by: blues | Mar 29, 2017 8:55:51 PM | 43

Trump sold himself as a 'chemical agent' for the DC swamp.

Defn: "Solid, liquid, or gaseous substance that produces an effect on a living organism by acting on the body tissue, or in an environment by interacting with air, water, and/or soil."

Several candidates in this list could apply but "Vomiting Agents" may be the nearest category for snowflakes. https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/agentlistchem-category.asp

Weapons grade: The toxic component of a chemical weapon is called its “chemical agent.” Based on their mode of action (i.e. the route of penetration and their effect on the human body), chemical agents are commonly divided into several categories: choking, blister, blood, nerve and riot control agents.

Based on mass media output Trump ticks many of these as well. But beyond the narratives, he's filling it with new creatures just like the old creatures. Looking more like a GWBush 2.0 re-run, imo.

Posted by: x | Mar 29, 2017 9:11:10 PM | 44

It's funny. I could never find fraternity in the way our current left has been drawn up. But more and more I am disillusioned with Trump's signals, especially those concerning a confederated Syria. Didn't the man say multiple times that the US would no longer be drug into the regime-change-game? Does anyone actually believe autonomous zones in Syria would peacefully coexist? How does Sykes-Picot^2 = stability, other than the perpetual chaos which DOES mean stability/$ for Oil Corp., the MIC, and the Bagel Bros.?

Stale reruns find new life on the Blood-Oil-Orgy-Channel that the US gubmint has become. Heironymous Bosch was right. Why can't Rome just be destroyed in a day, already?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 29, 2017 9:29:08 PM | 45

The more and more I hear about Trump being a Russian asset, the more and more true I know it to be. Of course they would covertly support someone who is going to gut the safety net and deal a mortal blow to the legitimacy of the rotting US political system.

I still firmly believe this irrationality is all part of a giant Russian psyop to destroy the social integrity of the West. Bravo to whoever in the GRU or FSB cooked up this scheme. I would wager they learned all these tricks from watching the Americans during the Cold War. Both "sides" in the Western discourse have been conditioned, rather poisoned with insane conspiracy thinking and view the other side as an existential threat to civilization. Talk about divide and conquer!

Talk with the average American and you'll quickly find out they believe most of what the politicians and media say are BS. The American elite are losing their greatest asset, the propaganda machine, to a brilliant & simple Russian tactic (which was used on them!): provide a forum for dissidents, whatever their political stripe, and watch the proponents of the official narrative flail in the wind.

Posted by: Almand | Mar 29, 2017 9:56:03 PM | 46

@Almamd

Ask yourself if Hillary would have reversed the last 40 years of social disintegration in the Homeland. Do you really believe that Trump is/was the endgame? Some production that would have been! Not to mention further covering their bases post-election by the IC releasing Russian cables which pointed to them counting Trump out of the race long before he caught fire. Like I said: what a production!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 29, 2017 10:02:38 PM | 47

@35 stumpy
Yup Tillerson's gettting a pass from the corporate media clowns and the "Democratic Resistance."

As far as Syria right now, my guess is that the Syria-Iraq play is for the US to back the Kurds (who cut a deal with ExxonMobil about 5 years ago for oil production and export) who will seize as much territory as possible (especially oilfields) and sign more contracts with ExxonMobile.

To understand this, the critical resource is Steve Coll’s 2012 book “The Private Empire of ExxonMobil” which I believe explains at least 50% of Trump Administration policy – on energy, the war on the EPA, on China, on the Middle East, and the proof is ol’ Rex Tillerson.

Rex Tillerson gets 40 direct entries in Private Empire and the index subheadings really tell the whole story:

alternate energy issue and, background of, Browner’s meeting with, career of, climate change issue and, at Clinton Global Initiative, on Deepwater Horizon, energy independence issue and, energy policy and, executive leadership of, Jones Award of, medals program of, Nigeria issues and, offshore drilling issue and, Putin’s meeting with, Raymond’s legacy and, Rosneft deal and, succession contest and, Venezuela issues and, XTO merger and

Gotta read books to find out what's going on . . If you also look at the fact that Tillerson was also attending Clinton Global Initiative meetings and that Hillary Clinton was an ardent pro-fossil fuel, pro-international pipeline advocate, it becomes clear that ExxonMobil plays the corporate Democrats as well as the Republicans – but the fact that Tillerson comes in as State Department head indicates that corporate control is becoming more direct; now it’s corporate CEOs directly pulling government policy instead of the prior model of think tanks and so on.

In addition, it’s pretty obvious that Trump is just as much in bed with Israel and the Saudis as the prior administrations have been; the Yemen war hasn’t changed and Syria has publicly rejected having U.S. forces intervene inside Syria’s borders, calling it an invasion. Turkey is more or less stymied; God knows what Assad is going to do about YPG/PKK, which Turkey is not happy about; Erdogan is calling the EU leaders a pack of Nazis (!), and if Assad had killed as many civilians in air strikes as the US-Iraq coalition just did in Mosul the entire American and British press would be screaming bloody murder. . .

@2 Mina
The WASP (Texas Radio And The Big Beat)

I wanna tell you 'bout Texas Radio and the Big Beat
Comes out of the Virginia swamps
Cool and slow with plenty of precision
With a back beat narrow and hard to master

Some call it heavenly in its brilliance
Others, mean and rueful of the Western dream
I love the friends I have gathered together on this thin raft. . .

Posted by: nonsense factory | Mar 29, 2017 10:22:07 PM | 48

@47 myself

I stated that there was proof that Russia was not confident in a Trump presidency early in his run. I heard this story over the radio, and after posting above I went looking for proof of that and can not find it. Can anyone help me with this?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 29, 2017 10:35:13 PM | 49

Nobody was confident in him early on. Everybody thought it was going to be Clinton/Bush or somesuch. But once the shocking writing was on the wall, the threat of guaranteed escalation to WW3 vs an unprincipled, unpredictable egomaniac doesn't seem like too hard a choice for the RU deep state...

Posted by: Almand | Mar 29, 2017 10:55:25 PM | 50

@50 Almand

I don't know how the pieces fit. What you give is food for thought. I know that I am all for the empire receding, so if Putin takes a page out of Mossad's book to bring down Uncle Sambo and Dr. Franken-Goldstein at the same time, I am all for it. Or perhaps you are right and the REAL losers will remmain the salt-of-the-earth and the American breadbasket.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 29, 2017 11:06:14 PM | 51

I dunno what the whole picture is either, it's just my sneaking suspicion. But yeah, if the USA collapses the regular schmoes are going to be the ones eating the fat stacks of sh*t and the lower on the social totem pole, the worse it will be. I'm sure plenty of people here are familiar with the work, but there was a Russian sociologist (political scientist?) who put together a report about how woefully unprepared the USA would be for a Soviet-style collapse. I hope we don't get to find out, but it is inevitable.

Posted by: Almand | Mar 29, 2017 11:35:13 PM | 52

Then again, suffering, disease, violence, hunger, instability all that bad stuff has been part of the human condition since the beginning. America ain't exceptional and god know we've exported more than a fair share of misery to the rest of the world.

Posted by: Almand | Mar 29, 2017 11:41:52 PM | 53

the republicans have won.

has anyone told them?

so please excuse the democrats, who by the way have not won, and are in the minority if they can't save the arses of those that have voted for Trump and of those that really truly fucking believed that that guy - who in 70 years of his fucking life did nothing but fuck and screw people over and declare bankruptcies - is gonna pivot and be a. presidential, and b. will do something for someone not called Trump.

so the trump voters, the non voters (cause purity and shit), the 'green voters', the libertarian voters' this is the shit sandwich you made, now eat up and don't expect anyone to eat if for you.

Voting has consequences. Trump is yours B. All fucking yours. Good appetite.

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 30, 2017 12:12:18 AM | 54

the republicans don't need the democrats. They have the senate, the congress and the presidency.
they have their people in goverment.

so for what ever its worth, if they can't get shit done - all hail the grand fucking savior trump, his daughter wife and her husband the newly minted advisers to the fuckwit - it is because they are a useless party that is not interested in government but in lining their pockets and destroying government to make it a business.

So Trump won, he will implement his agenda, he will fuck his country and the rest of the world over if it gets him a new golden shitter. Rejoice. Change and overhaul of the system is comming, and it ain't the democrats duty to bail him out. He has got the the executive, the legislative and judiciary and can now do what the fuck ever he wants to do.

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 30, 2017 12:21:05 AM | 55

"The war on issues has begun."

Not being American, what Trump does or does not do to the US domestically doesn't concern me.
Where he is going with US war policy (US doesn't do foreign policy) at the moment does not look good.
Hopefully he can create enough of a dog fight within the US that they won't have time to invade/bomb too many countries over the next few years.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 30, 2017 1:22:50 AM | 56

>> Hopefully he can create enough
>> of a dog fight within the US
>> that they won't have time to
>> invade/bomb too many countries
>> over the next few years.

I wish that were true, Peter. But, the escalations just this first quarter alone suggest the war pigs roll on "backstage" regardless of what happens on stage in front of a public -- a public that has been saturated since birth with fascist propaganda.

Posted by: dumbass | Mar 30, 2017 1:46:26 AM | 57

If you peeps haven't heard of and watched Jimmy Dore on Youtube, I hereby recommend him. He talks about Syria, Tulsi, the corporate sellout Dems, their shills on MSNBC, etc.

Posted by: dumbass | Mar 30, 2017 1:56:29 AM | 58

@dumbass 58

Watches Jimmy Dore and UK Column News everyday.

Vanessa Beeley on UK Column News - Tuesday 28 March 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ItEKMS6RfY

Posted by: OJS | Mar 30, 2017 3:32:10 AM | 59

Brilliant!

Posted by: Usul | Mar 30, 2017 5:46:30 AM | 60

I am totally sure that Trump was so ignorant of the realities of the US system, aka the swamp, he thought he was going to be able to pull it off with some Mafia-like arms-twisting methods and "MAGA".
Unfortunately, he does not have what it takes, first of all the understanding that one Does.Not.Compromise with swamp creatures. One purges. One sends oligarch crooks to jail, Putin-style.
Trump thought he knew better. Ha! The swamp has drained him.

Posted by: Lea | Mar 30, 2017 6:52:25 AM | 61

I suspect you are right dumbass. looks like Yemen and Iran are next on the US hit list.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/centcom-chief-vital-us-interests-at-stake-in-yemen

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 30, 2017 7:15:16 AM | 62

@Lea 61
Well tbh the Dark Overlord didn't exactly send all the oligarchs to jail, many of them are still around. They have much less political power than they used to, but they also have retained all their money and some even are richer now than they were before.
So maybe Trump isn't that wrong after all, you coopt some, jail the rest. I personally will wait and see until the first 6 months pass, although I would agree that so far it isn't looking good, not good at all.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Mar 30, 2017 7:15:37 AM | 63

It's worth noting that Thom married into a billion dollar empire. That changes things a touch.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Mar 30, 2017 7:35:01 AM | 64

I'm loving the fact that, pre-Trump, 'everyone' was was utterly clueless about the best, or indeed any, way to drain the swamp. However, now that Trump has stepped up to the plate, 'everyone' has become an expert and suddenly knows not only the best way to do it, but also how long Trump should and/or shouldn't take to get it done.
Imo, this is the kind of Crappy, asleep-at-the-wheel, Groupthink which created a problem so dire that only a Trump could solve it.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2017 8:24:04 AM | 65

Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2017 8:24:04 AM | 65

Indeed; it's why I almost never post anymore; far too much nonsense to stomach.

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 30, 2017 9:03:33 AM | 66

More seriously. My impression is that there is only one person for whom Donald Trump is willing to act as an agent. That person is Donald Trump.

I'm sure he'd agree with you, b.
He said, at his Roast, that he wants to "go down in History as the greatest POTUS of all time." There's nothing half-assed about Trump.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2017 9:10:19 AM | 67

Can anyone seriously doubt that the country would be better off if Trump declared martial law, instituted a total media blackout, activated the domestic black sites and simply started rounding up and liquidating the "deep state" and its agents/dupes and any one else who resisted? The way I see it, at least 15-20% of the US population has to go. Either the establishment will do it to the Deplorables, or the deplorables will do it to the establishment. But there's no way the country can ever be put back together again politically. One side must eliminate the other. We've always been on this path, at least in all of our lifetimes. Who knows if and when it could have been stopped. I think was 1964 when the owners of America decided to abolish the American People (white people) and elect a new one from Asia and South America.

Posted by: Pareto | Mar 30, 2017 9:36:42 AM | 68

- Is that the Establishment verdict: "Trump is chinese agent" ? (Thomas Friedman)
- Trump hasn't got the mangerial skill(s) to be president. And that's already very Obvious. Trump should start with lesson #1 of the book called "Economy for Dummies".

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 30, 2017 9:44:15 AM | 69

- The comments also show that Trump is highly unpopular (surprise, surprise).

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 30, 2017 9:45:42 AM | 70

@62 It's hard to think what the US can do to help the Saudis kill more Houthis. Send bigger bombs maybe?

Posted by: dh | Mar 30, 2017 10:00:50 AM | 71

Yep, anti Trump mania on full display today in the bar! About time to throw back a boiler maker and come out swinging.

Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 30, 2017 10:13:09 AM | 72

Interesting to note is that the Israeli/American teen who was just arrested for calling in most of the bomb threats to Jewish community centers and even Delta airlines is already having his defense set up by claiming that he's mentally unstable. Same defense was used - successfully - in the case of Joshua Ryne Goldberg, who acted online as a radical cleric to incite others to violence. Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, the psychologist in the Goldberg case - Lisa Feldman - had the records of her evaluation into Goldberg's mental condition sealed.

Can you say Sayanim?

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Mar 30, 2017 11:17:02 AM | 73

Trump, DT, is what you see is what you get. As b writes, DT is an agent for himself, and perhaps for Ivanka / other close, or why not MAGA, as self-interest hinges of acceptance, adulation, etc. of others…

DT is transparent as compared to GWB or Bama, his life is well-known (as to actions, not just spin), and the man has written about 10 books some in collab, 4-5 of which are international bestsellers, translated into umpteen languages. I read only one, the art of the deal, reco. it for anyone interested in DT. Plus he has a big mouth, and loves tweeting.

Who is vilifying, demeaning, muzzling him, and trying to get rid of him? The crowd is not just sore-loser Democrat elites — who accepted Bush Junior without a blink and laudatory applause — but a *large* part of the PTB.

DT is not just a boor (racist, incompetent…as if that mattered..) he is a threat. Why exactly, what that hinges on, is beyond the scope of this short post. It follows that any mud that might stick is thrown, and the paranoid Americans relish agent style scenarios, as trivial, entertaining, mildly thrilling etc. —> If the Dems were serious about the ‘hacking’ undoing the crowning of Queenary, Wikileaks is to blame. Not the Repubs whom the Dems would never blame anyway…etc.

Much of what DT says, does, is not understood, or deliberately veiled, by the pressitutes. Some ‘deeper’ reasons - different ones every time! - have to be invoked, much as one would psychoanalyse a creative, sneaky, raving lunatic who is fooling the psychs… DT is often called ‘lunatic’ .. (Errr…How did the US elect a mental patient? )

DT’s stabs, attempts at economic policy (incl. the rejected ‘new’ HCA) are not hard to dope out. This article explains DT economic policy in part…bit long etc. but makes some ok points.

http://socialisteconomicbulletin.blogspot.ch/2017/03/the-economic-logic-behind-trumps.html (trans of chinese article.)

(foreign policy, other topic.)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 30, 2017 11:20:42 AM | 74

One doesn't make and lose four fortunes--like Trump--then make another multi-billion dollar kitty w/o being in bed with the same Wall Street thieves that have been looting the USA for decades.

Posted by: Greg Bacon | Mar 30, 2017 11:21:33 AM | 75

Of course Trump is an agent.

Agent Orange

Posted by: The Stephen Miller Band | Mar 30, 2017 11:28:08 AM | 76

William R Polk, historian/diplomat = the wise man
His latest:
What Must be Done in the Time of Trump
by William R. Polk
Covers a lot of ground, here's a taste
quote
The fact that America already spends more on “defense” than the next eight of the big spenders to no apparent avail is greeted by demands to spend even more. Sixteen years of war in Afghanistan, to take only one example, have killed a lot of people (both ours and “theirs”) but have brought neither peace nor security. The old saying hits only a part of the current policy failure – “throwing good money after bad.” Worse is evident: hatred of America has spread far from Afghanistan, more people are being killed in more places, and sense of hostility among Americans has grown with a perceptible decline in the belief in and functioning of American democracy. All signs point to a further accentuation of this trend.

To my mind a sort of scale can be started when a member of my family, James K. Polk, surprisingly to the leadership, won the nomination, was elected and made his way to Washington: he had to pay his own way and upon arrival had to make his own hotel reservation at his own expense.
end quote

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/30/what-must-be-done-in-the-time-of-trump/

Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 30, 2017 12:05:53 PM | 77

Trump is an agent of Likud.

Jewish/Zionist influence dominates in the Shadow Government.

And it dominates in the official government. And media.

No one would be let near the White House who was not guaranteed to further Israel's agenda, which is obviously a version of the Oded Yinon plan.

ISIS is quite obviously a US/Israeli (and Saudi) proxy, one which is easily dispatched if you dont care about civilians or infrastructure, as the Zionists do not.

Naturally the Yinon plan dovetails nicely with the Kalergi plan, and everywhere one looks, 'Zionists' -that is Jews- are in the forefront if demanding that more 'refugees' be allowed into Europe, consequence be damned.

One need not summon either racial or religious antipathy to be horrified by what is happening in Sweden. This is ethnomasochism- and even in Sweden we see a heavily Jewish media and chattering class promoting the idea there is no Swedish culture or history or homeland.

Only Jews have those you see.

You have to understand that just as there is a Muslim minority that lives by the Koran, so too for Jews and Torah... and there is no question that Jewish eschatology, as reflected therein, looks forward to a world ruled from Jerusalem. Remember the words of Ovadia Yosef or Rabbi Schneerson - their view ** is ** Judaism, stripped of the universalist facade.

This isnt to say the average American Jew adhere to this - not at all.

But - Likud does. And Jews are so powerful qua group that even a minority of that minority, dedicated to Greater Israel and in no way limited by the morality of Hollywood Judaism, that they can drive US policy - as they did in Iraq.

Were I Putin, I'd see that Israel itself needs to be subject to reprisal to have any hope of stopping this madness.

He fears the repercussions? Okay - does he fear letting his enemies dictate the terms of the fight and do the same things more slowly?

Send a couple cruise missiles into the Negev next Israeli attack.

And ansolutely begin shooting down their jets.

He should also put Russian troops in S Lebanon.

Along with S400x batteries.


The time for defense is over.

Posted by: Florin N. | Mar 30, 2017 12:49:35 PM | 78

@48 nonsense factory

Thanks for the Coll reference, will add to list.

According to spending during the 2016 campaign the energy money was favoring Jeb Bush.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/select-industries?ind=E01&src=o

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 30, 2017 12:56:07 PM | 79

Posted by: Bruno Marz | Mar 30, 2017 11:17:02 AM | 73

Interesting to note is that the Israeli/American teen who was just arrested for calling in most of the bomb threats to Jewish community centers and even Delta airlines is already having his defense set up by claiming that he's mentally unstable.

Fine. Charge his parents/guardians.
Can you say Sayanim?

Easily. Can you say prtljažnik?

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 30, 2017 12:56:08 PM | 80

karlof1@27

"...Ideologically, we're not different, we're not apart..."

I don't know what the Russian word is that is being translated as "ideologically" here, but clearly Lavrov doesn't mean neoliberal ideology. There are two points which ought to be similarities between the Russian Federation and the USof A, and those are: a properly functioning democracy in which all citizens have equal rights and are free to vote their preference; and the proclaimed and actualized policy of leading by example on the global stage. I would call those idealistic as well as ideological tenets that ought to be similar in both countries, and both Lavrov and Putin have pointed out that the United States has these principles in its founding documents, and was instrumental in creating the United Nations forum where disputes can and should be resolved through diplomacy.

During the Cold War, as Lavrov is saying, the difference was that the USSR didn't have the same good intentions - Communism was going to take over the world, no ifs ands or buts. At present the US of A doesn't have the same sort of overtly oligarchical policy though it was on the brink with the TPP and other potential global corporate mafia takeovers; it was on the brink with GW's 'my way or the highway'. It was on the brink with Five Eyes and universal surveillance.

Lavrov's inching us back, back to that common ideology, but he'd agree with your assessment of neoliberal idiocy. (It's all about the 'id', isn't it?)

Posted by: juliania | Mar 30, 2017 2:23:48 PM | 81

@55 Trump is the symptom of the disease.. so far the bourgeoisie dems. I said before the election that it was up to Russia and China outmaneuver USA geopolitically in order to prevent future war against their own interests. We anti-war types don't have a say

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 30, 2017 3:19:14 PM | 82

same for the bourgeoisie dems***

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 30, 2017 3:19:52 PM | 83

hopehely, re; the Israeli "teen" (only a sympathetic victim is still called a "teen" at age 19), his father has been charged with something as well iirc. The father may have even been the ringleader. The Israeli press is cagey about the details, I've noticed. Slooooooooow leaks about this case.

Posted by: sejomoje | Mar 30, 2017 3:41:21 PM | 84

Trump is a bastard, a greedy megalomanic with a questionable grasp on reality, a serial liar and a sexist pig.

Nevertheless, he is not an agent.

Rather, Hillary Clinton is in a long-term relationship with US intelligence, probably stretching back before meeting Bill. I put the date on her recruitment as 1968, when she attended both the Republican and Democratic national conventions and wrote speeches for Representative Melvin Laird about Vietnam prior to Nixon naming him Secretary of Defense in 1969. H. Clinton's footprints are curious. She regularly, attended a Black Panther trial in New Haven, then spent a summer interning with the law firm in Oakland CA that handled Black Panther defenses against legal matters directed at them by the FBI and the Dept of Justice, so she was probably one of the thousands of spies that Hoover hired for COINTELPRO in the late sixties, and then moved to the CIA during the Watergate period. She must have shown her handlers a lot of potential.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Mar 30, 2017 4:31:40 PM | 85

'America has never been a global leader in clean power compared to, say, Germany. So what's your excuse for buying TLF's bullshit when you already knew he's is a fool and a liar?'

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29, 2017 8:41:54 PM | 42

Calling the US a leader may be an exaggeration, but these industries are gigantic employers already in the US - much bigger than coal - and will continue to be so if greenhouse gases are regulated and priced in order to send the correct signal to the market. The US could potentially dominate these industries the way it once dominated cars. It takes an especially malevolent breed of stupid to squander that potential, but that's exactly what Trump is trying to do.

Posted by: sigil | Mar 30, 2017 6:09:28 PM | 86

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Flynn offers to testify in exchange for...wait for it...IMMUNITY!

Who would have thunk the birdie would be Flynn...HA-HA-HA!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959

Posted by: Circe | Mar 30, 2017 8:07:42 PM | 87

Hello! The shoe is about to drop.

MONTHS ago I predicted there was something off with Flynn in a p.s. to a comment on another site you're all very familiar with that is unmentionable here. In January I stated that Flynn looked like a problem way BEFORE it was discovered he lied about discussing sanctions with the Russian Ambassador and BEFORE he resigned. I predicted he would be the fall guy...and he resigned. I knew there was something there that would threaten Trump's Presidency.

Everything is happening as I predicted. My instincts are on the mark. I have a radar for deception. I will be vindicated.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 30, 2017 8:23:38 PM | 88

Trump is all of my former mothers-in-law. I cannot think of a single stupidly unfounded claim or thoughtlessly considered desire that has spilled from Trump's mouth that I haven't previously heard at some angst ridden 'family' dinner. This is especially true for the denigrating attacks on women as whores bitches etc.
Yeah maybe I shoulda been a better judge of my partners, but as well as the dick moving in mysterious ways, there is something to be said for the attractive power of antithesis, that the best fuck you some of my former spouses could deliver to these disgraces to femininity was to take up with an asshole.
In fact I suspect if many other MoA habitues can be bothered checking they too will recall a Trump-like statement from an in-law sparking the shift of a family gathering from armed truce, albeit with a sense of something catastrophic about, to a debacle (for which you remain unforgiven) that smashed your resolution to 'keep it polite'.

That of course is Trump's great gift - the ability to inspire the destructive urge which lies beneath the surface of our 'civilisation'.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 30, 2017 9:01:53 PM | 89

"Everyone agrees that Trump is an agent. But who's agent is he? "

His own..

Posted by: ben | Mar 30, 2017 9:25:33 PM | 90

Posted by: sigil | Mar 30, 2017 6:09:28 PM | 86
(Calling the US a leader may be an exaggeration, but...
...
It takes an especially malevolent breed of stupid to squander that potential, but that's exactly what Trump is trying to do.)

TLF-style exaggeration was the point I was making.
As for Trump's malevolence, that is yet to be cast in stone.
People willing to brazenly challenge the Swamp's (malevolent) power weren't what one could call ubiquitous until Trump came along.

There's light sprinkling of people in the world who are just smarter, in every way, than the Average Joe. I'm not one of them but I've worked with a couple and Trump is definitely in that league (imo).
I don't know how to drain the swamp Trump's drawn a bead on but if he says he can do it I'll believe him until it becomes obvious that he can't/won't. I certainly won't be questioning his methods or his chosen sequence of events. It'd be like buying a dog and then learning to bark...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2017 9:50:26 PM | 91

Re 91

You took the swamp analogy seriously?
Trump himself called it corny, and ditched it as soon as he could.
Everything he's done since the election has been to the benefit of the worst swamp monsters around - arms companies, health insurers, Goldman Sachs, and the coal and oil companies.
Meanwhile, most countries are at least trying to do something about catastrophic climate change, and that creates a context where clean power can be expected to thrive. Trump's response is to act like the issue simply doesn't exist, despite the scientific consensus about global warming and its catastrophic implications.

Posted by: sigil | Mar 30, 2017 10:18:34 PM | 92

You took the swamp analogy seriously?
...
Posted by: sigil | Mar 30, 2017 10:18:34 PM | 92

Clutching at straws? Again?
Swamp is merely a common-usage label.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 30, 2017 10:36:15 PM | 93

Re 93
Yeah, it's lame sales pitch but you bought it. Don't feel bad; cheating rubes is what he does. Just ask the Trump University alumni.

Posted by: sigil | Mar 30, 2017 10:40:09 PM | 94

Agent Orange.. LOL!

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 31, 2017 1:15:25 AM | 95

Hoarsewhisperer 91 "There's light sprinkling of people in the world who are just smarter, in every way, than the Average Joe. I'm not one of them but I've worked with a couple and Trump is definitely in that league (imo).
I don't know how to drain the swamp Trump's drawn a bead on but if he says he can do it I'll believe him until it becomes obvious that he can't/won't."

I would have to agree with most of that, But my thought is he can/will also be used regarding his intentions towards China/NK and Iran.
Especially Iran. Iran, Yemen, Hezbolla. What are your thoughts there Hoarsewhisperer?

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 31, 2017 1:53:04 AM | 96

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 31, 2017 1:53:04 AM | 96

Today, your guess is as good as mine.
But for what it's worth, I catch the first 10+ minutes of CGTN (China Global) almost every day. NO-ONE is going to start a military stoush with China/NK. The Chinese all but spelt out the consequences of such foolishness on the cusp of 2016/2017 and the Chinese don't kid around when it comes to Sovereignty. All the Yankee horseshit about the South China Sea stopped soon after - helped somewhat by Oz and others saying that if AmeriKKKa wants to provoke China, near China, count us out.

Iran is just an Enemy of Convenience. I suspect that if anyone threatens Iran with military action Russia and/or China will advise against it. If Iran is attacked without warning Russia and/or China will "formally and favourably consider" any Iranian request for help.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 31, 2017 3:36:02 AM | 97

Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 31, 2017 3:36:02 AM | 97

All the Yankee horseshit about the South China Sea stopped soon after - helped somewhat by Oz and others saying that if AmeriKKKa wants to provoke China, near China, count us out.

Yep, pretty fair assessment, Imo.
I have long had serious doubts about all the bullshit coming out of yankee anal orifices regarding NK. NK will not accept the chaos of U.S. intervention in their country. If NK didn't have nukes they would have been given the same treatment as Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Libya (not a complete list).

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 31, 2017 4:00:56 AM | 98

>>>> Circe | Mar 30, 2017 8:23:38 PM | 88

Hello! The shoe is about to drop.

Nah, I don't think so. What evidence do they have on him? Not much. So this is one of two things, either a warning to Trump to help him out, if there is evidence or he's trying to sucker whichever intelligence committee ends up questioning him because there is no evidence but the Democrats are gagging for any evidence there is.
Trump will remain as president once this little game is played out and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump goes on to in a second term particularly since it's more and more obvious the Clintonists are going to have another go.

Posted by: Ghostship | Mar 31, 2017 7:01:05 AM | 99

Forget closing blockquote

Posted by: Ghostship | Mar 31, 2017 7:06:58 AM | 100

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