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March 10, 2017
Syria – Preparing For The Big Move On Idlib

During the last week significant moves in Syria have taken place east of Aleppo. But the situation there will likely soon calm down. The next intense phase of the war may well be a Syrian army attack on al-Qaeda's position in Idlib governate in the north-west of the country.

One objective of the Syrian Arab Army move east of Aleppo city was to block the invading Turkish forces from reaching further south. This had been achieved as of last week. The main objective though was to reach the pumping stations at the Euphrates which supply Aleppo city with drinking water. This aim was achieved yesterday. The SAA managed to evict the Islamic State from the shut-down station before it could blow it up. The generators and pumps were booby trapped but seem otherwise operational. After 40 days of strictly rationed water Aleppo city and its nearly 2 million people will soon be back on a normal water supply.


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I expect that the SAA contingent in east-Aleppo will now move further south and then east along the Euphrates towards Raqqa. This move though will no longer have a high priority. There is no longer an urgent need to continue in the area. Should the Islamic State stop its retreat in the area and show significant resistance the SAA is likely to stop and only hold its line.

The Turkish government still insists on taking Manbij currently held by the Kurdish YPK (under the label "Syrian Democratic Forces" (SDF)) which is now a U.S. proxy force under U.S. military command. Russia moved to insert Syrian army forces between the Turkish forces west of Manbij and the city. Thereby a buffer has been created between the Turkish (proxy) forces of "moderate rebels" and U.S. proxy forces of the Kurdish SDF. A few Russian special forces entered the area. As no SAA soldiers were readily available some local Arabs and Kurds were asked to put up a Syrian flag and to call themselves "Syrian border guard". They happily agreed to do so.


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Parallel to the Russian move a U.S. sub-unit of the 75th Ranger Regiment made a show of force by driving five 8-wheeler Stryker vehicles with U.S. flags through some towns around Manbij. The signal to Turkey is clear. There are Russian and U.S. forces here. Do not dare to proceed into the area and to attack their Kurdish friends. A meeting was held in Ankara between the Turkish military command and the U.S. and Russian chiefs of staff. It is not yet known what the outcome was.

Despite the clear signals some proxy units under Turkish command opened fire on the "Syrian border guard" in the area. The Syrian government says that a a few of them were killed and it again raised the issue of the Turkish invasion with the United Nations. I expect the situation around Manbij to calm down. It would be very dangerous for Turkey to continue attacking in the area against the clear position of Russia and the U.S. military.

Further to the east the SDF continued to move towards Raqqa which is last bigger city in Syria held by the Islamic State. It is likely that ISIS will defend the city when it gets attacked.  Turkey would like to take part in the attack on the city but the U.S. military has blocked that idea. It prefers to continue with its Kurdish partners. As these do not have heavy weapons the U.S. is introducing new forces into the area.

Already some 500 U.S. special forces (Green Berets) are training and leading the 10,000+ strong SDF proxy force. A small army unit is with them and provides artillery support with two long range MLRS missile systems. Added to these were the Ranger elements seen around Manbij. 400 U.S. Marines (11th MEU) were announced to soon enter the area. They will mostly provide 155mm artillery support and will take care of resupplies. 2,500 soldiers of the 2nd Brigade, 82nd Airborne are currently staging in Kuwait. It is not yet known what their task might be. The U.S. now has four military air fields in the Syrian Kurdish area north-east of the Euphrates. Two are for helicopters and two will soon be able to also service larger fixed-wing transport planes.

All this build up is taking place without a definite decision by the White House on how to proceed in Syria. The Wall Street Journal reports of discussions about a model where the U.S. and its proxies take Raqqa from the Islamic State and then concede it to the Syrian government. This would make a lot of sense but will surely be opposed by the Israeli/Saudi lobby in Washington as well as by some U.S. military. No final decision is expected before mid April when Turkey will hold a referendum about a presidential constitution. Other reports cite the U.S. commander in the area talking about a bigger "U.S. stabilization force" that will take over the area when the Islamic State is defeated.

Such a force would clearly be consider a U.S. occupation hostile to the Syrian government. It would be met with intense guerilla operations aimed at evicting the occupiers.

East of Homs the Syrian army has retaken Palmyra and the surrounding mountain and oil-field areas. Russian special forces were involved in this operation. I do not expect further large moves from there for the time being.

In the Damascus area the Syrian army continues to squeeze a few "rebel" held enclaves. These are binding many Syrian soldiers. When they are eliminated a sizable reserve will be available to be used in further battles.

There have recently been no significant movements in the southern areas around Daraa and near the Jordanian border. Jordan is involved in talks with Russia. Other talks have been held in Moscow between Putin and Netanyahoo. Some plans are obviously made to evict the Islamic State and al-Qaeda from the Jordan-Israel-Lebanon borderline but especially the Israeli position is difficult to manage. It prefers to keep al-Qaeda in the area as a pressure group against the Syrian state. No results from the recent talks have been announced.

West of Aleppo city around Idlib city al-Qaeda has continued fighting with other Islamist groups like Ahrar al Sham. The al-Qaeda led "rebel" alliance in Idlib is some 10,000 strong and the biggest force in the area. It will be difficult to defeat or evict. Retaking Idlib governate and city requires a large operation by the Syrian army. But currently al-Qaeda is losing support with the population and is involved in infighting. Its support from the outside has diminished. But outside support for al-Qaeda, by Turkey, the U.S., Saudi Arabia or Qatar, could come back when the Syrian army attacks the area.

Main operations by the Syrian army in east-Aleppo and east-Homs have achieved their immediate aims. The units involved in these could now be moved to other areas. When the "rebel" pockets around Damascus are eliminated, hopefully soon, more forces become available. The large force and reserve the Syrian army needs to attack Idlib will soon be available.

Curiously the NY Times just published a somewhat sympathetic portrait of a U.S. born al-Qaeda propagandist who operates as al-Qaeda's English language media channel in the area. Are we back to the "cuddly, moderate al-Qaeda" caricature that was earlier used to justify U.S. support for Takfiri terrorists? Will the U.S. again support al-Qaeda should the Syrian army finally move to retake Idlib?

Comments

jfl
I agree! But when this comes up from time to time, it is generally done as a wholesale damning instead of as an appeal to our better nature.
I’m making a narrow point. Maybe it is best illustrated by. Lying that if we are the same, as a people, as we were 100-200 years ago, then by extension one could say that we are the same 500 or 1,000 years ago. And everyone else is also the same. Then the fundamentalists have won. Then we live in a world of historical grievences.
Which is more correct: Netanyahu’s remark about a Persia that wants to destroy Jews or Putins rebuke that the world has changed a lot in 2,500 years?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2017 13:12 utc | 101

typo @101: “by. Lying” should be “by saying”
darned mobile phone auto-correction!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2017 14:03 utc | 102

@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12, 2017 9:12:39 AM | 97 & 101
There is clearly a current global(western) Psyop narrative against the Trump-Faction, which comes down to the unforeseen US nativist/nationalists vs the Globalists/Atlanticists(sic). Within that are many sub-narratives, such as assertions of racism/white supremacy, etc. Any mud that ‘could’ stick is being thrown as part of a ‘whole’ campaign of de-legitimization, IMHO.
The focus of my post, was clearly ongoing documented ‘Policy’, re the wider ‘context’.
Policies which effectively remain unchanged for generation upon generation, with minor tactical variations &/or temporary withdrawals, for well over 100 years. Those documented ‘Policies’ and the actions & consequences of such are clear & unrelentingly recorded, decade after decade, regardless of general societal changes, regardless of Dem/GOP administrations changing hands.
Why ?
The Committee/s Against the present Danger, the Trilateral Commission, Project for a New American Century, Council on Foreign Relations, The Atlantic Council, etc, et al, and all the abhorrent individuals, on a merry go-round of changing chairs amongst them that slip in and out of revolving Administrations, that are beholden to, sponsored, funded & receive patronage by these unrepresentative ‘Think Tanks’/’Policy Houses’, alone have been consistently funded at enormous cost to set, control and sustain these clearly essentially never-changing core policies, regardless of what any of the likes of us mere mortals may think. None of it by accident, nor ‘coincidental’, when looked at re the ‘record’ …
Indian career diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar remarks:

“The time is not far off before they begin to sense that ‘the war on terror’ is providing a convenient rubric under which the US is incrementally securing for itself a permanent abode in the highlands of Hindu Kush, the Pamirs, Central Asian steppes and the Caucasus that form the strategic hub overlooking Russia, China, India and Iran.” The scene for a great war involving the great powers of the time – US, Russia and China – is now set, by design of the elite. It is just a matter of time.
Time and again the US elite has taken its good people into great wars through documented and proven deceptions – the sinking of the Lusitania during World War I, Pearl Harbour in World War II, and so on. The elite considers us “human garbage” – a term first used by the French in Indo-China. It is also generating a good deal of “human garbage” in the US. A World Bank report points out that in 2005, 28 million Americans were “insecure” – in 2007 the number had risen to 46 million! One in every five Americans is faced with the possibility of becoming “destitute” – 38 million people receive food coupons!

Michael Ruppert fatalistically laments:

My country is dead. Its people have surrendered to tyranny and in so doing, they have become tyranny’s primary support group; its base; its defender. Every day they offer their endorsement of tyranny by banking in its banks and spending their borrowed money with the corporations that run it. The great Neocon strategy of George H.W. Bush has triumphed. Convince the America people that they can’t live without the ‘good things’, then sit back and watch as they endorse the progressively more outrageous crimes you commit as you throw them bones with ever less meat on them. All the while lock them into debt. Destroy the middle class, the only political base that need be feared. Make them accept, because of their shared guilt, ever-more repressive police state measures. Do whatever you want.

A succint, concise primer ? :

The Elite the Great Game and World War III ? – Mujahid Kamran 2011/06/08
The control of the US, and of global politics, by the wealthiest families of the planet is exercised in a powerful, profound and clandestine manner. This control began in Europe and has a continuity that can be traced back to the time when the bankers discovered it was more profitable to give loans to governments than to needy individuals.
These banking families and their subservient beneficiaries have come to own most major businesses over the two centuries during which they have secretly and increasingly organised themselves as controllers of governments worldwide and as arbiters of war and peace…
A global economic system erected on inhuman and predatory values, where a few possess more wealth than the billions of hungry put together, will end, but the end will be painful and bloody. It is a system in which the elite thrives on war and widespread human misery, on death and destruction by design.

Of which Syria is one battle, in one ‘minor’ war, within a larger series of Wars, on which Terra is the actual battlefield and the ultimate prize, and has been so, longer than my years.
Fully concur with jfl @98:

things cannot change without first accepting things as they (have been &) are. and then changing them.

@ Posted by: smuks | Mar 12, 2017 8:07:09 AM | 99

China is no competitor, but Russia is.

This is China’s century, should it wish to seize it, or be forced to.
Though western media refuses to report it, China surpassed the US as the world’s No. 1 economy a few years ago, and it’s technological/military modernization and exponential growth has paralleled that of it’s economy.
It’s economic influence & diplomacy (soft power) is apparent on every continent. Now being explicitly demonstrated re such as propeace @95 references, for example.
An actual alliance between Russia & China, a mutually beneficial symbiosis of the great strengths of each, would be likely unbeatable, and is clearly the US Empires (& vassals) greatest fear.
It is a fortunate, overlooked and interesting ironic twist that the hubris of the US Empire gave the Chinese a seat, along with the intended puppets UK/France in the Security Council, when the UN was formed post WWII, at a time when the KMT (China) was a beholden indebted dependent puppet, only to have the Evil™ ChiComs flip that calculus on it’s head.
From a planned 4 to 1, to a wholly unintended & unexpected 3 to 1 + 1. Most fortunate for humanity, IMHO.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 15:14 utc | 103

Outraged: Within that are many sub-narratives …
Yes. I just want to reiterate that I agree that there has been grievous damage done. And for a long time. And the mentality that caused that is still active.
But I disagree with collective or historical guilt. And I disagree even more when history is used as a propaganda device.
Hopefully people are waking up.
And I want to add that it is not karlof1 or even the guy that karlof1 links to. It seems to be just something “in the air”. Something of a whisper-campaign: “Hey look at YOUR history!” Yeah, we should look at our history, but not as a means of excusing other bad actors.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2017 15:45 utc | 104

If I was Assad and I was afraid that they were going to try and make Raqqa part of a sunni principality, I’d do the Moroccan thing and livestream 50,000 unarmed men, women, and children walking into the city, and see if the Drones and a-10s would dare kill them all

Posted by: Cresty | Mar 12 2017 17:22 utc | 105

Billy Joel wrote a song several decades ago that deal with the issue raised–We Didn’t Start The Fire–which begs the question: Well then, who did? That’s probably the easiest way for me to describe my goal as an historian: To answer that question. In my quest, I’ve had to learn some very unsavory facts about the human existence and incredible horrors humans have inflicted on their fellows over millennia. Yes, I’ve discovered the answer to my question as have several others, and it’s rather ugly and extremely controversial. The key lies in the specialized study of human existence known as Anthropology, which every historian ought to at least have a minor to complement the history major. The story’s not too long or complex and has a rather simple summation: It’s God’s Will–God being Nature and Will being the processes of life: An answer known millennia ago other than the fine details, like DNA and life’s biochemical origin.
So, by Becoming, our hominid ancestors began the fire that was lit by the embers of evolution, with the fire’s perpetuation fueled by humanity’s neverending attempts to circumvent the Laws of Nature and increase a hard life’s little comforts and ease, yet with only one technology to regulate humanity’s actions–Culture.
Thanks to all the contributors to this discourse. I think its necessity is realized by most.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2017 19:06 utc | 106

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13951219000621
Reports that the US helped ISIS warlords escape Mosul.

Posted by: mischi | Mar 12 2017 19:48 utc | 107

@outraged:
Again, you fail either to read or to understand my post. The key point:
‘Russia is and will always be the #1 geopolitical enemy bc it commands the same strategic resources as the US.’ Only Russia is a competitor, China and Europe are complementary to the US.
That said, you’re obviously right about the Ru-Ch (or Ru-EU) alliance. Good ol’ Mackinder.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 12 2017 19:48 utc | 108

Jackrabbit 97/101
Many historians feel that had England clearly signaled to Germany that her actions in 1914 would lead to world war that such a clear reality would have held Germany back from the abyss. England did not communicate this clearly to German interests.
Geostrategic events of recent years – in part – show that Russia is clearly signaling to both China and the U S (to the world) the seriousness of what now at stake .
Bhadrakumar’s comment that world war 3 is close set upon us , nigh inevitable may be held off by Russian awareness of history and geography at least for some time through our precious days.

Posted by: ashley albanese | Mar 12 2017 20:04 utc | 109

@ Posted by: ashley albanese | Mar 12, 2017 4:04:58 PM | 109
Indeed, ‘The Guns of August‘ …
@ Posted by: smuks | Mar 12, 2017 3:48:51 PM | 108
Yes, yes, of course … /snark
Russia is the #1 enemy because it is ‘The Prize’, & a convenient indoctrinated faux enemy to justify the pigs trough of the MICC money sluices, nothing more, nothing less. China will be the replacement for the US as the core nation State of the latest dominant superpower Empire, should we not all be inadvertently burned to ash or die of fallout, exposure/starvation beforehand …
China is not and will not be a mere ‘complement’ to any other nation. Preposterous. And will never again accede to being forced to ‘submit’ to either Europe, Japan or the US. The ‘Unequal Treaties’, Opium Wars, etc, are burned deep within the psyche of the Chinese population and will not be forgotten, nor ever tolerated again. The Dragon has awoken.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 20:33 utc | 110

Jackrabbit @ 97
But America is a different place today than it was 100 years ago.
Let’s start with America. It is a continent stretching nearly from pole to pole. There is a South America and a North America subcontinents. There are (incluing the Caribbean) 23 sovereign nations in North America.
There are around 1 billion americans. Less than 1/3 are from the US.
Yet, your use of the term refers exclusively to the US. Usians (as another barfly refers to them), believe only they are americans, or north americans. A mexican, or an honduran, are not americans, they are aliens – as in illegal aliens – they don’t belong in America the One and Only, they definitively are not your fellow smericans even if they are the real Americans, whose ancestors were there thousands of years before Latin was spoken or Vespucci was christened Americo. For Usians they are latinos, implying they’re newcomers, squatters, mongrels.
I’ve heard from the mouth of the latest batch of US presidents, and of most of the would be such, how “indispensable” and “exceptional” their nation is. Exceptional as in “über alles”, of course.
There is no difference in mindset from 100, 200, or 300 years ago:
The god chosen pilgrims on a mission to the promised land (financed by the capitalists du jour)
The bunch of slavers who proudly proclamed they would not be slaves to the tiranny of kings, the tiranny being what prevented them from massacring natives to steal their land.
Manifest Destiny to justify the genocide.
The Monroe Doctrine claimed all the continent. Preying on the carcass of the Spanish Empire enabled the first phase of US imperial domination.
Post ww2 ocupation of Europe and Japan, Korea, vietnam, military coups all over the world, invention of “the free world”. Preying on the carcass of the British Empire enabled the second phase of domination.
Post 91, End of History and PNAC, Full Spectrum Domination, last phase of empire. No longer any need to hide the claws, chaos everywhere.
What is common in all the above is supremacism and expansionism.
Supremacism is rooted in bigotry, the kind we see today in wahabism and rapture crasies or the rabid sects of jewish fundamentalists.
In Britain’s mercantilist society this evolved to liberalism, the theoretic foundation of modern capitalism and within capitalism it produced colonialism, racism and, in the sphere of the anglo-saxon scions of the British Empire, apartheid.
Expansionism is an inherent to capitalism.
Has the US become different? Of course, but for the worst.
Is that new on rhe news or are the jews spreading it? Nah
I would suggest 3 books:
Liberalism, a Counter-history, by Domenico Losurdo;
A History of Bombing, by Sven Lindqvist;
Jewish History, Jewish Religion, by Israel Shahak.

Posted by: estouxim | Mar 12 2017 21:15 utc | 111

@111 “The god chosen pilgrims on a mission to the promised land (financed by the capitalists du jour)”
Unlike Columbus, Cortes and Pisarro.

Posted by: dh | Mar 12 2017 21:48 utc | 112

estouxim
Yes. The fundamentalist/extremists thrive off of each other. I wrote about this on my blog (which hasn’t been updated for a long time).
But here’s the thing: the people themselves had changed enough after the Depression and a World War (fought by one group of racists against another), that the 60’s became possible. And, by and large, a tolerant attitude was adopted for decades after.
And they changed again with the advent of info tech and low-cost travel. People became more worldly, more knowledgeable, and more connected with a wide group of people. Who could say that they had hundreds of ‘friends’ 50 years ago?
But as liberating as the tech HAS been, there is (as we all know) a dark side to that: less privacy, propaganda, etc. It behooves us to be wary of that dark side.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2017 22:07 utc | 113

@113 Also of course there isn’t too much left to colonize. Israel was probably colonialism’s last fling. There are still a few disputed borders Ukraine being an example. Generally folks in South America have stopped fighting each other over borders but I do understand why Latinos get upset about the USA referring to itself as America. Canadians feel the same way.

Posted by: dh | Mar 12 2017 22:28 utc | 114

@113 dh, ‘there isn’t too much left to colonize. Israel was probably colonialism’s last fling ‘
i think this is the root of anglo-american … i should say anglo-usian … enmity with the russians : they are the indians on our new frontier. i remember the quote from cecil rhodes, crying himself to sleep at night under the planets he couldn’t reach and colonize … but there’s still mother russia!
the enmity against the russians is garden variety greed, rapacity, always has been … and of course the ‘capitalists’ know their open-ended ‘system’ is ‘flawed’, but they also know they’re junkies unwilling to kick … they’re just looking for another fix.
china’s a ‘real’ war with no such wide open spaces and resources as prize.
intermarriage with the plutocrats there, perhaps, and alliance against the world’s ‘trash people’, i guess.
blood is thicker than water, but it’s not thicker than capital.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 13 2017 0:21 utc | 115

@115 I can’t see the USians or even the EUians colonizing Russia. Not the old fashioned way anyway. Assuming we even get off the start line what are we going to use for an occupation force?
Colonization these days is done culturally or with economics so perhaps the hope is that Russia will collapse from within. Unlikely. Russians are too smart to fall for that stuff. Course if the nukes start flying we’ll all be looking at a radioactive wasteland.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 0:35 utc | 116

@115 As for China I think there’s more chance of them colonizing us.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 0:37 utc | 117

@116
you lack ‘the vision’ of the neocons, undeterred by their mess in ukraine.
@117
as i say, intermarriage among plutes, the chinese suffer from a lack of females … a trait left over from previous imperial experience, no doubt. of course it depends upon who you view as ‘us’.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 13 2017 0:46 utc | 118

@118 You are so right. Who is ‘us’? I suppose I mean ‘us’ in the West but it’s getting hard to find a typical cross section of Westerners. ‘We’ come in all shapes and shades these days.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 0:57 utc | 119

Ahem.. reports of heavy attack on Deir EZ Zor. Defenses are holding so far txs to SyAF & RuAF strikes..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 13 2017 3:09 utc | 120

dh @112
Unlike Columbus, Cortes and Pisarro.
Absolutely, not only the epochs were far apart, Columbus was over a hundred years earlier, neither of the 3 was financed by capitalists, but by the crown. They were not settlers, they were warriors.
Columbus was punished for his greed and cruelty, removed from power.
By the time of Cortés arrival royal power was already institutionalized in Cuba.
Both Cortés and Pizarro conquered big empires, against all odds. More than military might, their success was due to the alliances they formed, exploring the contradictions within the Aztecs and the Incas.
Both Cortés and Pizarro offspring were from native women, and so was that of most of their soldiers. For instance the Inca Garcilaso de la Vega that wrote about the Pizarro’s conquest and the Inca Empire, the product of both cultures.
By the time of the founding of Jamestown there were several thriving cities in the Spanish virreinatos, inhabited by natives, mestizos, few criollos and fewer europeans.
The main difference between the Spanish and the British Empire’s colonizations is precisely the relation with the natives. The former was miscegenation and inclusiveness, the latter rape and exclusiveness.
Settler colonialism and it’s associated racism and supremacism didn’t surface south of the Rio Grande until the liberal revolution in Spain, which led to the fragmentation of the virreinatos, and infighting between different regional oligarchies. Argentina probably illustrates it best, with the “Conquest of the Desert” and the ulterior European immigration. If you read spanish I would recommend the quotes in this article to understand the mindset. The result was the eradication of entire native nations, the erasing from history of the african contribution to the formation of the nation.
19th-20th centuries European immigration changed not only the ethnic mosaic of all of the Americas and created new oligarchies in detriment of the majority of local populations.
Incidently, the dispossession inflicted on the native populations was occurring simultaneously in all continents, in the name of progress and freedom, in Argentina as in Spain, in Ireland and in Indonesia, in Britain and in India.
Just one more thing, folks in South America don’t willingly fight over borders. Normally it takes heavy imperial pressure. Like the Chaco war, between Shell and Standard Oil, that cost Paraguay and Bolivia 100.000 dead. Or the previous Triple Alianza war, instigated by Britain, conducted by Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay against Paraguay, for the simple reason the latter chose to develop it’s own industries and taxing british goods, a crime against freedom and democracy, for what it was punished with the slaughter of all adult males. Neither those dead, nor the Negros that composed the invasion army, of which few returned alive, had any willingness to fight over borders. Should I continue?
The History we are thought is just another conditioning tool. Most of it his faulty, some is lies, the spin is on the omissions and qualifications.

Posted by: estouxim | Mar 13 2017 3:17 utc | 121

Sorry for the double post, I don’t know what happened, I posted another text and this one showed up instead. Pls disregard

Posted by: estouxim | Mar 13 2017 5:07 utc | 122

Posted by: dh | Mar 12, 2017 8:57:56 PM | 119
“We” are largely defined by language and consumer goods/life style these days.
Language accents are a very exclusive barrier that is hard to cross. Consumer goods are easy.
But people are also defined by citizenship. You find yourself in different labor laws from your co workers and different lines at the airport.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2017 8:57 utc | 123

@smuks, in his quabble with @outraged about “Russia is and will always be the #1 geopolitical enemy bc it commands the same strategic resources as the US.”
This, of course, could only hold past 1945.
Think about it for a moment.

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 13 2017 11:52 utc | 124

Looks more like Russia helping the US to leave the Middle East.
Interesting part in the above article is the brief comment on Britain’s interest.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2017 12:41 utc | 125

@persiflo, outraged
Yes, because pre-1945 UK and Russia were the main opponents.
Everything you write (outraged) is correct, just you miss the main point(s). Which are food, energy, trade routes, military technology and intel. The latter two China can develop(?), the first three…not really.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 13 2017 13:04 utc | 126

@ Posted by: smuks | Mar 13, 2017 9:04:07 AM | 126

China cannot really develop(?), food, energy, trade routes.

Any evidence to support those extraordinary assertions, ie actual valid references/links ?

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 13 2017 13:37 utc | 127

@121 I had no idea the Uruguayan Civil War and the Triple Alliance War were caused by Britain. I thought it had something to do with Colorados and Blancos. Those damn British have a lot to answer for.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 13:49 utc | 128

…just you miss the main point(s). Which are food, energy, trade routes, military technology and intel. The latter two China can develop(?), the first three…not really.
Posted by: smuks | Mar 13, 2017 9:04:07 AM | 126

I’d love to hear where that notion came from.
China is acutely aware of its potential shortcomings and, unlike The West, has a series of 5 year plans (at least 15 years into the future). And unlike The West these plans form part of Public Discourse and don’t chop and change after an election. The Chinese know precisely where they want to be and work 24/7 on fine-tuning the how to get there aspects.
They’re also brutally honest with themselves about their failures.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 13 2017 14:45 utc | 129

Posted by: estouxim | Mar 12, 2017 11:17:30 PM | 121
You sure you are not rewriting history?

Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2017 14:45 utc | 130

@130 Pizarro was a great humanitarian. So was Queen Elizabeth 1st. In fact she was a leading 15th Century champion of human rights. The Samantha Powers of her time you could say. She felt sorry for all the Inca slaves who died in the mines and she wanted to return their gold to them.
So she sent Francis Drake to appropriate the gold ships. This made the Spanish king very angry so he sent an Armada to England but things went badly and they were wrecked off the coast of Scotland and butchered by fierce Scottish nationalists.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 15:00 utc | 131

Wow! Al Zio-Jazeera are blaming Assad for all the death and destruction in Syria. Lots of Brit Smokesmen explaining how Eevil Assad is for refusing to surrender Syria to the tender mercies of FRUKUS’s Jihadis. Not not much talk about Western duplicity & funding, of course.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 13 2017 15:53 utc | 132

dh @ 128
So did I. Then I read a book
somebody @ 130
What makes you think so?
dh @ 131
lol, good plot for a cartoon network series, let’s get the japs on the job.

Posted by: estouxim | Mar 13 2017 15:56 utc | 133

@133 OK…..this is a long way from Idlib and I haven’t read Eduardo Galeano’s book. But I skimmed through a few reviews on Amazon. Sorry, but to me it looks like the gringos are getting all the blame for Latin America’s problems.
There’s no doubt the North has exploited the South but why was this allowed to happen? Why didn’t people develop their own financial institutions and resources? Was it cultural differences? Climate? I’m genuinely curious.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 17:30 utc | 134

@ dh who wrote: ” ….Why didn’t people develop their own financial institutions and resources?….”
I would suggest you read The Shock Doctrine/Klein to educate you on how Latin America is/was financially raped by the North as you call those gringos. People that try and develop their financial institutions (except China) always find themselves dead (Lincoln, Kennedy, Gaddafi, etc.)

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2017 19:42 utc | 135

@135 Thank you. I understand the mechanism behind imperialism. Can you explain how China has managed to avoid the usual fate?

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 19:58 utc | 136

@ dh who asks how China can rattle the private finance folks and not be dead.
There are those that would say I am wrong and China is already a toady of private finance. I think the jury is still out. China is too big to kill like individuals and instead of the “Iron Curtain” approach, the West/private finance has chosen to “embrace” China as part of its goal to undermine middle class advances with corporate outsourcing.
I continue to read China saying the rights things about development and railing about the current IMF/World Bank lending processes. And they are building/implementing an alternative banking system for development called the AIIB. Can and will China use these tools to counter the lock private finance has on the world’s future? China calls itself communist/socialist and has created/executed 13 5 year plans which, IMO, beets the back room deals by those that own private finance.
Stay tuned. I think we might see a call for another Bretton Woods (World leader finance meeting of minds) reset to the current power/conrol matrix and then you might read about how the world really works behind the scenes.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2017 20:21 utc | 137

@137 I certainly wouldn’t hold China up as a paragon of financial virtue. China calls itself communist/socialist but there seem to be people there making money hand over fist. And coming up with some inventive ways to get their profits out. Paying low wages and guanxi seem to be the key to success there.
I understand Bitcoin is very popular in China….whatever that is.

Posted by: dh | Mar 13 2017 20:36 utc | 138

Posted by: dh | Mar 13, 2017 4:36:21 PM | 138
It is complex. In the end there are a lot of foreigners there making money hand over fist.
This here is the take of a Chinese trade union delegation to the US

Facing new challenges to organize multi-nationals, our guests emphasized they wanted to rapidly end their isolation from American unions.
GZFTU’s Chairman Chen Weiguang began by acknowledging that China‘s unions had to be reformed. “We need to protect the rights and interests of the workers and elect leaders who will stand up for workers,” said Weiguang. “Of course, the bosses within the enterprises want a union chair who will be obedient to the company but we believe the union belongs to the workers, not the bosses.”
Chen speaks from his experience as a major planner of the successful unionization of Wal-Mart in China.

This new thinking was forced upon Chinese unions after they encountered stiff opposition from notoriously anti union Wal-Mart. Labor officials, normally accustomed to dealing with state enterprises, were shocked when the company actually refused to even meet with union organizers, a tactic commonly employed in America.
ACFTU began a successful grass-roots organizing campaign, a first for the state labor body.
The union was finally recognized in 2006. Chen Weiguang played an important role confronting Wal-Mart as a hostile employer rather than as a friendly joint-venture partner with the government. The latter view has always compromised the union’s ability to represent workers.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2017 23:07 utc | 139

@outraged, hoarse
Trade routes are where they are – the ‘evidence’ is a look at a map. China’s food shortages will worsen bc of climate change – what do you think why they are buying/ leasing land in Africa? Energy, China is by far the biggest oil importer, and even with renewables growing rapidly it will continue to need oil imports for some while.
Russia has these strategic resources, as has the US. A five-year plan can do many things, but it can’t change China’s place on the map.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 14 2017 0:35 utc | 140

@ smuks who wrote “…A five-year plan can do many things, but it can’t change China’s place on the map.”
So what is your point? You trying to put lipstick on the arse of our God of Mammon led social system with its parasitic by design display of inequality?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2017 0:43 utc | 141

@ Posted by: smuks | Mar 13, 2017 8:35:58 PM | 140
Pfft! Yet ever more, unsupported assertions. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, ie references/links. You have never provided a single one. Good Day.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 14 2017 2:10 utc | 142

@outraged, hoarse
Trade routes are where they are – the ‘evidence’ is a look at a map. China’s food shortages will worsen bc of climate change – what do you think why they are buying/ leasing land in Africa? Energy, China is by far the biggest oil importer, and even with renewables growing rapidly it will continue to need oil imports for some while.
Russia has these strategic resources, as has the US. A five-year plan can do many things, but it can’t change China’s place on the map.
Posted by: smuks | Mar 13, 2017 8:35:58 PM | 140

The items you’ve mentioned are valid concerns (for China) but the point I was making is that China has long-term plans to address those concerns before they become critical. China is buying and leasing land on Oz and elsewhere. The string of 5 year plans is what has made, and will continue to Make China Great.
Imo, the only 5 year plans the West makes are made behind closed doors and focused on which countries the West intends to destroy or impoverish next (having already made startling progress in destroying and impoverishing the lives and dreams of their own citizens).
China has a track record of escalating successful achievement.
If the Chinese decided to take over AmeriKKKa by force, it’s not hard to imagine that they would be greeted by hoards of Deplorables scattering rose petals in their path as they march ashore…
AmeriKKKa’s so-called leaders are greedy, stupid, and childish. They’ve become so lethargic that they can’t even muster the energy to make plausible excuses for their Full Spectrum Failings.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2017 2:35 utc | 143

@143 “If the Chinese decided to take over AmeriKKKa by force, it’s not hard to imagine that they would be greeted by hoards of Deplorables scattering rose petals in their path as they march ashore…”
I think you’re wrong there hoarse. It would be open season on Asians.

Posted by: dh | Mar 14 2017 2:57 utc | 144

Posted by: dh | Mar 13, 2017 10:57:14 PM | 144
Thanks for the feedback! 🙂

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2017 3:20 utc | 145

@ Hoarsewhisperer who I agree with except the “…If the Chinese decided to take over AmeriKKKa by force, it’s not hard to imagine that they would be greeted by hoards of Deplorables scattering rose petals in their path as they march ashore……” part
I have to agree with dh that Americans would be brainwashed into killing Asians, as they have been brainwashed into other things…..the TV defines most Americans world…..sorry. I wish it weren’t true because whatever happens I have to figure out how to live through the “adjustment period”.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2017 3:39 utc | 146

@125 somebody
interesting man, your nicholas a. heras …
TURKEY PULSE – TÜRKİYE’NİN NABZI

The Trump administration could delegate support for the Southern Front [Golan] to Israel and Jordan, while simultaneously relinquishing control of a conquered Raqqa to Assad.
The Trump team could take a region-by-region approach to Syria, which would allow close partners to pursue counter-Iran strategies in one region, such as in the south, and relinquish control of areas conquered from ISIS in eastern Syria to Assad.

… interesting plan. b ementioned an article in the wsj the other day that mentioned the east but not the south. syria, russia, and iran might agree in the east and continue the struggle in the south.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 14 2017 4:56 utc | 147

@147
the eastern part of the plan seems set-up to engage assad-russian-iran in an endless war against the gcc’s zombie troops. and the same in the south, against israel’s and jordan’s (the us).

Posted by: jfl | Mar 14 2017 5:00 utc | 148

@Hoarse 143
I am fully aware of that, but it doesn’t eliminate China’s dependence on external trade, and global trade routes are controlled either by the US (sea) or Russia (land). It’s the age-old conflict between land and sea powers playing out once more, and the former are winning (as they always do in the long run).
Of course China is working to reduce this dependency or at least secure and diversify suppliers, but I don’t see it becoming fully self-sufficient any time soon, or maybe ever if land yields in China are further reduced due to climate change. Russia’s role as an oil and gas supplier will decline, but its wheat will feed the world and become the basis of Russian power in the future.
Strategic resources include food, energy, logistics/trade, communication/media/IT, finance, military and intel. At least in my list – feel free to add if I forgot something.
@outraged:
Here’s your evidence
@psycho
wtf are you talking about?

Posted by: smuks | Mar 14 2017 11:57 utc | 149

@psycho 146
Capitalism is a ‘one-trick pony’ – it only survives for as long as it manages to divide and rule the masses. Pit one group against the other, it doesn’t really matter who, so they’ll never unite and fight for their common goals – a good life in a healthy environment for everyone, instead of more profits for the 1%. Unfortunately, even the most ridiculous false ‘enemies’/ scapegoats (transgender, women in burkas) are gladly accepted by many.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 14 2017 12:04 utc | 150

Posted by: jfl | Mar 14, 2017 12:56:27 AM | 147
Who in Syria would wish to fight for Jordan or Israel? Jordan would be loath to get into any fight that might involve Palestinians.
Israel lost that buffer strategy last time they tried it in Lebanon.
Israel’s only hope is that Russia will keep its Iranian allies back but that will cost them. They cannot attack Syria like they attacked Lebanon and they lost even that in political terms.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 14 2017 12:29 utc | 151

@ Posted by: smuks | Mar 14, 2017 7:57:16 AM | 149
Remarkable, so you are able to actually, ‘link’.
Have travelled throughout mainland China repeatedly, often up to six times a year, weeks at a time, for almost a decade primarily re my then business prior to being forced to retire in 2010-2011.

SinoDefenceForum – Chinese Economics Thread (11-13-16)
China’s middle class is driving the change, with consumption (not exports) now the biggest driver of the economy. Consumption is only set to grow by 2030, with China expected to have a middle class of a staggering 800 million people … with its associated discretionary spending is too good a market for any country to contemplate walking away from as suggested in the korea thread.
… as the world’s biggest economy restructures from manufacturing and exports towards services and consumption.
On the outskirts of Beijing is a vision of the future — a high-tech, clean green agricultural centre that uses hydroponics and LED lighting to minimise water, energy and land usage.
Michael Boddington, an agribusiness consultant who has been working in China for 18 years, said China
was moving away from basic food production to more value-added food production.
“The key message … is sustainable agriculture, food security and food safety,” Mr Boddington said.

And, the mutually beneficial non-imperial/non-colonial Sino version of a true ‘Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere’ … a total dependence on global trade routes controlled either by the US (sea) or Russia (land) ? Behind the times BS & too much NYT & CNN for you it would seem.
This, is the primary motivation for failing US Empire attempted interference in the Sth China Sea, on China’s doorstep:

China invests in south-east Asia for trade, food, energy and resources
In 2015, south-east Asia will become one sprawling economic zone encompassing Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines and Brunei.
Already bound by myriad political and trade agreements, these 10 countries comprising Asean (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) account for 9% of the world’s population – with some 600 million people, twice the size of the US – and have a combined GDP of $1.8tn (£1.14tn).
China has long had one foot in the region, which is home to rich oil, gas, mineral, hydropower, rice, palm oil, coffee and timber resources. By 2015, however, bilateral trading between China and Asean, which began with a fair-trade agreement in 2010, will have more than doubled from $231bn to $500bn, making China Asean’s biggest trading partner, according to China expert Dr Ken Shao of Australia’s Murdoch University.
“China’s investment in south-east Asia is growing at a double-digit speed annually,” says Shao. “In 2011 to 2012, China’s top six investment destinations in south-east Asia were Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore – with textiles, electrics, steel, shipbuilding, chemical and IT popular investment themes.”

And,

Jan 6, 2017 – China cementing global dominance of renewable energy and technology. It now owns five of the world’s six largest solar-module manufacturing firms and the largest wind-turbine manufacturer …
Jan 5, 2017 – China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
China will plow 2.5 trillion yuan ($361 billion) into renewable power generation by 2020, the country’s energy agency said on Thursday, as the …
CHINA’S FAST TRACK TO A RENEWABLE FUTURE – The Climate Group (PDF)
China has wasted no time in directing billions of dollars into its clean energy sector…

And,

China’s Innovative Approach to Energy Security – IAEE (PDF)
…Many commentators believe China engages in these equity deals, loans, and other bilateral agreements to “control” these sources of oil and send them directly back to China, buffering their own supplies. However, as several analysts have pointed out, the majority of the oil produced under these agreements is not shipped directly back to China, but is instead sold on the spot market, to the highest bidder. The only oil shipped back to China from these sources is the oil that is profitable to be shipped back …
Absent the direct application of military force against their global oil infrastructure, China would have
the capacity to remain partially immune to any energy-based sanctions, by continuing to import from
several countries that will resist cooperating with Western powers on a sanctions package, and would
do all they could to hold on to China as a key export partner. This is a major advantage for Chinese energy security, as it reduces leverage and coercive power that can be applied in the future by any powers
hostile to its strategic interests.

What is another major reason the US Empire trying to maintain a foothold in Afghanistan despite the huge unsustainable costs in treasure ?
To impede and interfere with China ideally hedging re it’s Oil/Gas energy security needs ‘locally’ in partnership with Iran.
The mutual benefit is Iran would be able to guarantee Iranian economic security through assured Chinese demand for its oil and gas exports. The China/Afghan border corridor to Iran is potentially outside the control of both the United States and Russia, strategically beneficial to both Iran & China into the future. Yet another reason for ongoing US animosity towards Iran, in order to contain/restrain the primary competitor, China. And also a large part of the reason why China courts Pakistan …
Frankly, the single most important & ongoing critical strategic vulnerability for China is sufficient available potable water for it’s regions … as it has been throughout it’s multi-millenia existence, and they have effective solutions planned for that too (see Hoarsewhisper re 5 year plans), given advances in scalable modern technology …
You can take your repetitive ad-hom & contemptable ‘evidence’ and —- it, along with MSM macro level vacuous verbage.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 14 2017 14:30 utc | 152

@outraged:
Thanks a lot for your efforts and solid info. I agree with and am aware of everything you write, but it doesn’t contradict my key points in any way.
“Absent the direct application of military force against their global oil infrastructure”
– well, yes: ‘absent’ the worst case that we are talking about.
A pipeline from Iran through Afghanistan will take decades if ever, and for that time the dependency is on either shipping or pipelines through (Russia-allied) Central Asia. Same with food and renewables: I’m fully aware that China is striving to be self-sufficient at least for the essential basics, but it’s a long road.
Anyway, the starting point was a different one:
Russia and the US command the same strategic resources, while China and Europe (with whom neither the US nor Russia can compete in terms of economic capacities) command the complementary resources. US+Europe rule the world for exactly as long as Russia remains isolated.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 14 2017 21:08 utc | 153