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March 10, 2017
Open Thread 2017-10
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Currently, 14 groups share more than two thirds of the western Press Posted by: estouxim | Mar 10 2017 11:01 utc | 1 Trump is letting the Pentagon move ISIS terrorists out of Iraq. Is that why Iraq was left off the latest Trump Muslim ban? A little R & R here in the States, then back in action, in either Syria or Afghanistan? Posted by: Greg Bacon | Mar 10 2017 11:04 utc | 2 The sleazy guy that spread perverted sex stories about Trump comes out: Posted by: Lebonan | Mar 10 2017 11:43 utc | 3 I no longer accept the Orwellian labels that the Ivory Tower Think Tanks have foisted upon us. For instance consider the “left wing”/ “right wing” dichotomy. Think about this: If you “belong” to the “left wing”, that automatically implies the there must exist an equally significant “right wing”! We’re supposed to fall for that? Further, what is the origin of the word “left”? Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 12:17 utc | 4 2017 political definition of Left: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 10 2017 12:56 utc | 5 @4 blues Posted by: jfl | Mar 10 2017 13:25 utc | 6 The latest theme with Rachel Maddow is that Wikileaks is the tool that Trump and Putin used to defeat HRC. The timing of Wikileaks releases offset Trump’s bad news, and undermined HRC in the month of October. (Never mind that J. Podesta was the lobbyist for the Saudis, and his brother was a lobbyist for the Russians, while the campaign was ongoing.) It follows that this week’s news implies that Trump responded to the barrage of of CIA/MSM challenges (remember that Sen. Schumer threatened Trump *on the Maddow show* “don’t challenge the CIA, they have their ways to hurt you” effectively) with the Wikileaks release of CIA espionage tools. If true, that is close to open warfare between Trump/Pentagon and the CIA. Or Russia/Trump and the CIA…which is how Maddow wants it. Posted by: S.H.E. | Mar 10 2017 13:37 utc | 7 @6 jfl Posted by: librul | Mar 10 2017 13:42 utc | 8 blues @4 99 luftbaloon Posted by: ALberto | Mar 10 2017 14:19 utc | 9 @7 S.H.E. Posted by: RUKidding | Mar 10 2017 15:07 utc | 10 The “FSA” part of the Turkish army are attacking the Syrian army, despite Tukey’s acceptance of the Syrian army in Manbij. This could create a rift between the Turks and the FSA, their only ally. The Turks need the FSA as a cover up for the invasion. The FSA needs the Turks because they pay their salary and give them a legitimacy despite their numerous military failures. Posted by: virgile | Mar 10 2017 15:22 utc | 11 @ jfl | Mar 10, 2017 8:25:01 AM | 6 Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 15:29 utc | 12 Ron Paul on US troop deployment in Syria:
Looks like the belief that Trump was going to be better than Clinton regarding Syria was wishful thinking. Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 10 2017 15:32 utc | 13 @13 The Trumpkins will spin it ten ways to sunday to deflect criticism. Well, we gave Trump some time, and now it’s just a matter of eventually accepting the fact that he’s the republican version of Obama. Maybe Trump’s new deals (take Raqqa away from Syria, pretend Posted by: aaaa | Mar 10 2017 16:00 utc | 14 @13/14… i suppose it is all done under the banner of going after isis – a byproduct of the usa’s love affair with saudi arabia/qatar, isreal and etc… i would be curious to know the percentage of people in the usa working for the military… although trump says he is making america great again and bringing everything back home – these ongoing foreign military adventures implies he is full of shite.. either that, or employment in the usa is largely military based…that and snooping software and fast food industry related.. Posted by: james | Mar 10 2017 16:23 utc | 15 @15 half of our economy is based upon government or vending with government.. Posted by: aaaa | Mar 10 2017 16:42 utc | 17 Anybody having problems accessing this site?
Posted by: jawbone | Mar 10 2017 17:14 utc | 18 @ Posted by: james | Mar 10, 2017 11:23:22 AM | 15 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 10 2017 17:16 utc | 19 @ Posted by: james | Mar 10, 2017 11:23:22 AM | 15 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 10 2017 17:16 utc | 20 The only other website I regularly comment on is Portland Indymedia — A site that is very radically so-called “leftist”. But the only one of its kind that allows me to counter the Deep State anti-Trump campaign. They are DDoS-ed at least 33% of the time (being attacked by DDoS botnets). Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 17:21 utc | 21 On F elections, as all I hear in the bus, in the café, at the hairdresser today. Posted by: Noirette | Mar 10 2017 17:26 utc | 22 I’m planning to hit the streets soon: Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 17:30 utc | 23 Two to the point summaries of the Putin Erdogan meeting linked below. Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 17:36 utc | 24 @8, @6 Posted by: OSJ | Mar 10 2017 17:52 utc | 25 Posted by: Tobin Paz | 13 Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 17:54 utc | 26 Disgraced Trump adviser Mike Flynn admits he worked as a “foreign agent” for the Turkish government Posted by: virgile | Mar 10 2017 17:58 utc | 27 @25 My understanding is that Kurds will do the actual liberating of Raqqa. Not sure what’s in it for them as Raqqa is an Arab city. ISIS looks like the big loser. Maybe they will shave and get new uniforms. Posted by: dh | Mar 10 2017 18:07 utc | 28 Merkel, who has been dealing on a one to one basis with Putin for a deacde or so now, has been asked by Trump to share with him her insight into and experience of dealing with Putin. Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 18:22 utc | 29 Tit for tat: Posted by: c de Toro | Mar 10 2017 18:25 utc | 30 There’s an additional deployment of 2,500 U.S. troops happening. This administration is trying to bypass Congress putting more and more boots on the ground in Syria without Congressional and U.N. authorization and in violation of Syrian sovereignty. Posted by: Circe | Mar 10 2017 18:35 utc | 31 There’s an additional deployment of 2,500 U.S. troops happening. This administration is trying to bypass Congress putting more and more boots on the ground in Syria without Congressional and U.N. authorization and in violation of Syrian sovereignty. Posted by: Circe | Mar 10 2017 18:35 utc | 32 Confusing to say the least.. Posted by: Lozion | Mar 10 2017 18:39 utc | 33 @ dh | 27 Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 18:44 utc | 34 Chipnik must be drinking dumpster scrap vodka, scrabbling for insects and pond weeds, or SWAT has detained him at his workcenter bunkhouse. Posted by: wisco_hillbilly | Mar 10 2017 18:46 utc | 35 Washington Considers Military Action Against North Korea to Force Regime Change Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 10 2017 18:52 utc | 36 @ blues | 4 Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 18:56 utc | 37 @virgile | 26 Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 19:09 utc | 38 @ AtaBrit Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 10 2017 19:21 utc | 39 An interessting development concerning MH17. The analysis is by John Helmer whom I find often very interessting to read: AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER DRAGS FOOT, TRIPS UP UKRAINIAN COURT CLAIM OF MH17 TERRORISM Posted by: Fran | Mar 10 2017 19:26 utc | 40 Here is a complete US Asshole grilling a moron.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljx46FKycQ0 Posted by: harrylawh | Mar 10 2017 19:30 utc | 41 Lebonan 3 Posted by: Curtis | Mar 10 2017 19:36 utc | 42 State Department obtained a gag order to prevent release of Medical Examiner’s report on autopsy of Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin. Posted by: Circe | Mar 10 2017 20:15 utc | 43 @Peter AU | 39 Posted by: AtaBrit | Mar 10 2017 20:29 utc | 44 blues #4, AtaBrit #37 Posted by: Grieved | Mar 10 2017 20:36 utc | 45 @ Grieved | Mar 10, 2017 3:36:31 PM | 45 Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 21:03 utc | 46 Just a historical note to set the source straight: The terms “left” and “right,” as political terms, began in the French Assembly in the 1790s. In very general terms, those delegates of the parties that favored democracy sat on the left side of the chamber while those who sat on the right favored the monarchy. Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 10 2017 21:03 utc | 47 @ Grieved who provided a deadly serious description Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 10 2017 21:07 utc | 48 @ AntiSpin | Mar 10, 2017 4:03:55 PM | 47 Posted by: blues | Mar 10 2017 21:07 utc | 49 Posted by: librul | Mar 10, 2017 8:42:13 AM | 8 Posted by: jfl | Mar 10 2017 22:41 utc | 50 @24 atabrit, ‘”… the restoration of the territorial integrity of Syria is, in our mind, an obligatory condition for full-fledged settlement,” Putin said. Posted by: jfl | Mar 10 2017 23:14 utc | 51 the dailynews report on churkin’s death is all spin … the implication is that state is attentive to the memory of churkin … a la nelson rockefeller, for instance … but, obviously, the question in everyone’s mind is … did the us murder him? Posted by: jfl | Mar 10 2017 23:17 utc | 52 Posted by: dh | Mar 10, 2017 1:07:30 PM | 28 Posted by: somebody | Mar 10 2017 23:46 utc | 53 Grieved @ 45: good post, this old quote crossed my mind… Posted by: ben | Mar 11 2017 0:00 utc | 54 EU summit reveals sharp divisions within Europe and tensions with US
that quote from merkel is jaw-dropping … sounds just like the usa. could have been written by a us neo-liberal … i don’t know that the ‘european army’ is anything more than talk. Posted by: jfl | Mar 11 2017 0:04 utc | 55 ‘One of the more interesting revelations from the Vault 7 release Wednesday is the fact that the CIA has had the technology that allows them to hack into any modern car, truck or airplane and control it remotely, with the sole intention of murdering the occupants in a way that looks like an accident, since around the time Hastings was killed.* Posted by: denk | Mar 11 2017 3:51 utc | 56 @53 somebody, txs for the interesting article.. Posted by: Lozion | Mar 11 2017 6:24 utc | 57 Sorry that should read dissolved not desolved. Alrite, enough typos for tonite.. zzz Posted by: Lozion | Mar 11 2017 6:27 utc | 58 World Faces Largest Humanitarian Crisis Since 1945, UN Says
that was the end of the third reich. which lasted 12 years.
… to move in and finish them off. r2p => rip. o’brien is rooted in an imperial colonial family from tanganyika. Posted by: jfl | Mar 11 2017 11:58 utc | 59 @56 denk, ‘turns out mh370 is a fly by wire enabled airliner …’ Posted by: jfl | Mar 11 2017 12:08 utc | 60 jfl 60 Posted by: denk | Mar 11 2017 16:13 utc | 61 james @ 15. I would be curious to know the percentage of people in the usa working for the military.. (as response > Outraged @ 19 for some nos.) Posted by: Noirette | Mar 11 2017 16:32 utc | 62 india, the master of double dealing. Posted by: denk | Mar 11 2017 16:34 utc | 63 @16, @18 Posted by: cspoleta | Mar 11 2017 19:32 utc | 64 Denk 63 Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 11 2017 20:03 utc | 65 There are glimmers of hope now and again in America. I just read one at ZH that is reporting that the big box Costco is carrying copies of 1984 in its book section. How radical potentially is that? Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 11 2017 20:33 utc | 66 @ Posted by: Noirette | Mar 11, 2017 11:32:13 AM | 62
A picture says a thousand words, even using ‘official’ western figures, deliberately ‘low-ball’ re US & Allies and ‘inflated’ for ‘justification effect’ re nominated ‘enemies’, from ‘Janes’:
An imbalance of 21 to 1 is supposed to justify ‘FEAR & Warmongering’ for Cold War 2.0 re the Evil™ Russkies ?! 🙁
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Lastly, my personal ‘infamous’ favorites, in succint ‘detail’ :
:(( Posted by: Outraged | Mar 11 2017 22:27 utc | 67 @53, 57
ZeroHedge claims, with some reasonable evidence, that this Kurdish oil route through Turkey was also used by ISIS to move its oil to global markets with the assistance of Turkish business interests.
Posted by: nonsense factory | Mar 11 2017 23:00 utc | 68 Trump administration invokes “state secrets” in CIA torture case
tee-rump licks the hand that beats him. he seems just a tamed sideshow act at this point. Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 1:36 utc | 69 @61 denk Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 1:40 utc | 70 @69 noirette, ‘The US is on a permanent war-footing to support … its economy …’ Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 1:52 utc | 71 @64 cspoleta Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 2:00 utc | 73 @68, no-nonsense, ‘ Note also that the Stop Arming Terrorists bill was just introduced in the US Senate by Rand Paul.’ Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 2:12 utc | 74 Peter AU | Mar 11, 2017 3:03:36 PM | 65 Posted by: denk | Mar 12 2017 2:31 utc | 75 hey jfl, Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 12 2017 2:33 utc | 76 Thanks to those who’ve mentioned they get this or similar error message when trying to connect to Moon.
I was afraid something had been done to my iMac (running Chrome) by my friend who just pushes any old key or combinations of keys when frustrated. So, it sounds like an outside cause…. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 12 2017 3:18 utc | 77 @76 jr Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 4:03 utc | 78 jawbone | Mar 11, 2017 10:18:39 PM | 77 “Any ideas as to what could be going on?” Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 12 2017 4:16 utc | 79 @77 jb Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 4:19 utc | 80 Jackbunny 76 Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 12 2017 4:24 utc | 81 jfl 70 Posted by: denk | Mar 12 2017 4:26 utc | 82 denk | Mar 11, 2017 11:26:38 PM | 82 Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 12 2017 5:19 utc | 83 LOFL! Posted by: aaaa | Mar 12 2017 6:44 utc | 84 I’ve just come across this gem: The Largest Empire In the History of the World
Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 12 2017 7:38 utc | 85 The information war is on – if you try to archive the link to Steinberg’s above you’ll see: Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 12 2017 7:55 utc | 86 Update on False ‘Russia Disinformation’ Story Promulgated By Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 12 2017 8:04 utc | 87 i followed this link from a thread here at moa … don’t see it now …
… this will be really, really big, as ed sullivan used to say. in reality it will be just what dr assad ordered for his sadly beset-upon country, and for the world the contrast in vision between the usofa … death, devastation, destruction, and deceit for all … and another big power will be very instructive. the us needs to be isolated, sanctioned, forced to change its evil ways, and this project will certainly be the seed crystal required for that thought to crystalize in 7 billion heads the world around. Posted by: jfl | Mar 12 2017 10:57 utc | 88 The Empire never relents and admits, nothing … in a just world Cambodia would be receiving $Billions USD in reparations.
Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 15:36 utc | 89 @77 jb Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 12 2017 15:48 utc | 90 @ Posted by: jfl | Mar 11, 2017 11:19:54 PM | 80 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 16:52 utc | 91 Ousted
Her ‘dictator father hero‘ was:
Enjoyed some excellent S Korean movies over the years. The Presidents Last Bang (2005) is an inspired satirical black comedy docu-drama, IMHO. Another recommendation … Silmido (2003) … YMMV Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 17:15 utc | 92 History matters! as Outraged writes in other thread. Posted by: Noirette | Mar 12 2017 17:27 utc | 93 Yep, there is some kind of pesky assault going on with some, may be many, but I’ll stick with some alt news websites. Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12, 2017 1:15:05 PM | 92 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 12 2017 18:31 utc | 95 Posted by: nonsense factory | Mar 11, 2017 6:00:30 PM | 68 Posted by: somebody | Mar 12 2017 18:50 utc | 96 @ Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 12, 2017 2:31:01 PM | 95
Her father and fellow general’s were installed in a CIA sponsored/managed(?) coup, that conveniently toppled South Korea’s first genuinely democratic government, how very ubiquitous! It’s candidly referenced in JFKs tapes & declassified docu. The head of KCIA which assassinated her ‘Dictator father Hero‘ in ’79 openly testified he did ‘it’ with the advance support and consent of the CIA Station Chief and the US Ambassador. Agree re the ‘Sunshine Policy’. Like father like daughter ? Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2017 19:41 utc | 97 Mmm. Things are heating up for Erdogan, his response following his ministers being banned from the Netherlands: Posted by: Lozion | Mar 12 2017 21:57 utc | 98 62 noirette Posted by: failure of imagination | Mar 13 2017 5:50 utc | 99 i was reading an article on The Changing Politics of Thailand’s Buddhist Order (2012), by duncan mccargo, on civil religon which linked to another article, Civil Religion in America (1967). Posted by: jfl | Mar 13 2017 13:19 utc | 100 |
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