Breitbart News published an unfounded conspiracy theory, the President read it and retweeted it because it suits his narrative and distracts the discussion from him and his own people, and now it is a matter of doctrine and faith to those who support Trump, or in the case of this site, people who mistrust Obama.
And now it has a life of its own and will be discussed as it it had any actual merit.
Welcome to the New Media Reality.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 4 2017 16:10 utc | 3

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Mar 4, 2017 11:11:50 AM | 4
Actually, the pro-Israel Crowd in USA are ramping up the anti-semitism hokum. That’s Tr-r-raditionally a sign that there’s something they want to push off the MSM’s agenda.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 4 2017 16:32 utc | 5

Murdoch’s news enterprise knew of the FBI Fisa warrant – see article on Nov. 7, 2016
○ FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia

&nbsp By Louise Mensch | 10:18 pm, November 7, 2016 |
You too thinking of NSA / Unit 8200 agreement spying for friends?

Posted by: Oui | Mar 4 2017 16:58 utc | 7

French elections. … Are turning into a Vaudeville Farce. 🙂 – the F are really good at vaudeville, so maybe that is fitting.
To empty French politics of its substance (considerable as compared to other EU), it was decided to shorten the pres. term from 7 years to 5, and to personify the pres. election, by copying the US model.
The UPR promptly renamed itself Les Républicains and the Socialists are dying to call themselves Democrats but don’t dare right now (> might lose some of their older base.) The two main parties instored ‘primaries’ along the US model, on the rationale of ‘democratisation’, thereby lengthening once more the time, energy, discussion, media grip-circus, money (etc.) spent on the election.
Another step – divorcing candidates from ‘parties’ is taking place right now. E.g. Macron doesn’t have one (nor a platform at time of writing) and Marine le Pen has scrubbed all mention of the FN from her website and speech. She presents herself as Marine for Prez, her symbol is a blue rose without thorns, that is it.
Was supposed to go forward:
Juppé -an old hack- to win the LR primary. Didn’t work out, ‘le peuple’ chose Fillon – a bourgeois Catholic who defends Xtians in Syria and is in favor of ‘détente’ with Russia.
Valls – a neo-lib born-again Zionist, ex-MinFin and responsible for the el-Khomri labor law – was set to win the Socialist primary. Didn’t work out, ‘le peuple’ preferred Hamon, a ‘trad’ socialist (sorta Corbyn figure.)
Le Pen enduring. The election was supposed to be a contest between Le Pen and either Juppé or Valls, either would do, with Le Pen soundly beaten.
Then what? *First* on the agenda was to get rid of Fillon, as there was no doubt he would win, absolutely certain (imho correct.) So, attack on Fillon. In itself, imho, he might have been able to overcome it, but the judiciary, the PTB, and various influences have seen to it that he is now vilified and all his support (staff and so on) is evaporating like ice in the summer sun, or rats leaving the proverbial.
Two other important withdrawals from the race: Bayrou (centrist, MoDem) has said Fillon must withdraw, and he, Bayrou, supports Macron, and withdrew himself. (He supported Juppé in the primary.) Note Bayrou is not a nobody – had the French had a rank-voting system he would have won the last election. Jadot, the Ecologiste candidate, has also withdrawn, and throws his hat to Hamon.
*Second* push and revive the ‘ersatz’ candidacy of Macron. This was invented, created, by money that is completely obscure in origin – Macron has no party but a “Movement” – En Marche! – move on, forward march, or something like that, and even as an ex-Rotschild banker, is not a rich man. He is an empty-headed neo-lib. I.e. Macron was a sort of ‘third man place-holder card.’
*Third*, continue to bash Le Pen, to lower her score in the first and second rounds, and encourage, support, all those who ‘will never vote for the FN’ with some ‘factual’ arguments.
*Fourth* continue to see to it that no ‘outside – disturbing’ candidates can enter the field. Asselineau, UPR, first on the list (Gaullist, anti-EU/euro, and quite popular, taking into account he gets no MSM time at all.) Because such candidates may scatter votes in the first round in surprising ways.
Fifth, as per usual, worrying about the ‘Left’ as Mélenchon (France Insoumise, a sort of ‘personal party’) and Hamon (Socialist) cannot make a deal and the ‘left’ vote will be split is a waste of time.
In Eng I could find only, in the same sorta direction, D. Johnstone, Feb 17, good, some might find more informative, rounded, well-written, etc.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/17/france-another-ghastly-presidential-election-campaign-the-deep-state-rises-to-the-surface/

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 4 2017 17:00 utc | 9

Or – it’s totally usable and Trump is trying to neutralize it in advance by claiming it was illegally obtained.
For an innocent victim, his actions appear guilty.

Posted by: Horatio Parker | Mar 4 2017 17:17 utc | 11

Trump’s new man at CIA, Pompeo, his NSA chief McMaster, Comey, the guy who Trump held on to because he seems to have his back can all come up with the truth on the wiretapping as fast as Trump greenlights the investigation into all previous activities by the Obama administration on the Russia compromise issue.
Sooooo, I’ll be waiting for him to give the order. Wiretapping would have been done by the FBI with a FISA warrant. So, what’s this new conspiracy about? He doesn’t trust Comey now? Comey can inform him on what was ordered previously, the paper trail and steps taken.
However, imo, this TrumpTowergate feels like a grand distraction. Should it be discovered that Trump was compromised by the Russians (just a what if, btw, so don’t jump all over me); then no one will believe it if Trump and his Breitbart minions are cranking the Obama=Nixon narrative. What he’s doing is trying to compete in shock value with the Russian compromise narrative and ironically planting the dirty cop defense, ironic because Trump is so into cops being the salt of the earth. So he’s appealing to the mass: If the top cops were dirty in their investigations; how can you believe the evidence they uncover? Read his tweet:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/837994257566863360
I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case. So this implies he’s already planning his defense strategy.
There is no one more in the corner of the wrongly accused than myself; but, in this case, I have to say that Trump looks like the white girl who falsely cries rape against the black guy, ’cause who’s gonna believe the black guy didn’t do it?
At the same time, Trump looks like the guy who’s even willing to milk the legitimate defense against a crooked system used by the wrongly accused; to cover his crooked ass.
To me, dropping this premature defense narrative stinks of consciousness of guilt.
Someone I read in the comments section elsewhere put it in a way that aptly reflects this scenario. It went something like this: There’s so much smoke here; you can see it from the moon.
But, hey!…don’t look at Trump who may have started the fire; look at the arsonist black guy, Obama, over there who would burn your barn down too. I’m sure the illiterate mass Trump is targeting in Appalachia and racist rednecks are lapping this up already and readying their pitch forks.
Now, I’m not saying this to defend Obama’s Presidency, which I could compare to Bush/Cheney. I’m calling it as I see it.
Free legal advice for Trump: When you’re in a hole; STOP DIGGING.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2017 17:34 utc | 13

So Trump wants to increase the defense budget by about 10% or 54 billion. That’s a lot of money and it has to come from somewhere. One of the places it’s going to come from is the EPA. That’s fine because climate change is bullshit, right?
Never mind that the streets of Miami Beach are ankle deep in saltwater at high tide or that the subways of NYC were inundated during Hurricane Sandy, Trump and his crew have decided that the conclusions of the world scientific community are based on “dubious science”
One of the areas that will be most affected from the drying up of grants and funding will be the Great Lakes. Those rust belt states of Pa, Wisc, Mich and Indiana that handed Trump the presidency are now going to be repaid by having their water supply put in jeopardy. There are eight states the depend on the lakes for water along with about 10 million Canadians. That ain’t draining the swamp, that’s creating a fucking swamp.
But that’s not really important, is it? Neither is the increasingly authoritarian tone of his executive orders dealing with travel and the roundup of undocumented Hispanics. The important thing is that he talks to fucking Russia, that’s all that matters. I guess the 54,000,000,000 bump for defense is insurance in case that doesn’t work out. Or maybe it’s just another president doing his bit for the MIC.
Most of these threads turn into a circle-jerk for the Trump fanboys. They lament how he’s not being given a chance to set things right because he’s a no-nonsense guy who cares for the real Americans. All the regulations and safety measures were put in place by bleeding heart liberals are just to keep America from being great. And the deep state hates him too. That’s some combination, the tree huggers and shadowy figures who run everything. Jesus Christ, I get a headache trying to keep it all straight.

Posted by: peter | Mar 4 2017 17:50 utc | 15

unrelated to this particular dumpster fire but related
‘Ted Kennedy’s Soviet Gambit’ . Forbes 2009
https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

Posted by: la | Mar 4 2017 18:55 utc | 17

Hoarsewhisperer@5 – “…Actually, the pro-Israel Crowd in USA are ramping up the anti-semitism hokum. That’s Tr-r-raditionally a sign that there’s something they want to push off the MSM’s agenda…”
Or prevent from getting on the MSM’s agenda. And that would be Clueless Joe@4’s observation, “…And how many met with Israeli officiels? My bet is that it’s way more than 5. Odds are, all of them…”
I have to laugh at how quickly those same kind of comments are quickly deleted from ‘news’ sites. People are smart enough to notice the hypocrisy and call it out. Some country’s interference with U.S. elections is more illegal than others, I guess.
Ironic because much of the Russophobia whipped up in the U.S. is supposedly the continuation of a long-running battle of Jewish oligarch mafias – a faction of powerful pro-Israel ex-Russian oligarchs booted out by Putin vs. the ones that got to stay and are buddies with him. Jewish oligarchs in the U.S. are split, but Trump was always solidly in the pro-Moscow camp because of real estate and banking. I’m not suggesting any ideological sympathies by Trump – this was all just business for him. I confess to much ignorance of the situation though – following Russian politics is kind of like getting waterboarded. Put three Russians in a room and you’ll soon have five simultaneous but different heated arguments about their politics. And I thought the French were bad.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Mar 4 2017 19:05 utc | 19

Wow. The PEDO shills are out in force this morning. Every one of the Deep State dissemblers on this site are PEDO criminals and enablers. Your team is going down. Hard. Fast. Make sure you and your rat-faced offspring are at the front of the battle line. Cuz this CIVIL WAR is coming fer ya. Tick-tock mofos.

Posted by: Take Me | Mar 4 2017 19:08 utc | 21

@9 Noirette, tes pronostics sur les résultats? How do you see it playing out?

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 4 2017 19:10 utc | 23

Posted by: PavewayIV | Mar 4, 2017 2:05:08 PM | 19
Thanks. I think you’re right, on both counts.
That’s what CJ was insinuating.
And it should have been obvious…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 4 2017 19:28 utc | 25

@16
Look, if you’re genuine, I feel your pain. I know what it’s like to lose faith in the latest messiah, but Trump deserves every word I write. It’s not that I detest only Trump. I detest the system that spawned him and others who surround him and preceded him. I only wish Obama suffered a downfall, because the problem here is the entire system. Only those who recognize that both sides are one coin with a different figurehead representing all that is corrupt, only those who are trying to stop the cycle of fleecing with a new messiah every 4 years are honest.
You probably think that because Trump hasn’t technically started a war yet, although, he’s escalating in Yemen, he deserves to be saved. Well NO. Trump is corrupt. He’s a liar. His policies stink and benefit the corrupt rich like himself. He’s more of the same packaged with Republican wrapping. What a price to pay for temporary relief from war with the inevitable, eventual MIC servitude for war still and always present under a different banner. Don’t make Trump the temporary, corrupt fix for the widespread problem that will linger through his Presidency and beyond if we don’t grab this opportunity to take it ALL down.
I’m hoping Trump is the Samson Option. I’m hoping the whole system crashes with him, but I can’t stop calling it as I see it; I can’t stop my gut feeling. If Trump triggers Civil War; then that’s the necessary karma. I don’t know how the Empire can be stopped for good; but I do know Trump is not the answer; since he’s as corrupt as the entire system. At best, he’s the catalyst, but he’s not the people’s savior, he has Rupert Murdoch on his side! Come on…already. He’s not the solution; although he may be the catalyst that leads to a more reliable, permanent solution; he’s the system. Don’t ask me not to expose him as more of the same. Ideally, people should rise up against the entire system including Trump as in revolution, but if Trump triggers civil war and that’s what permanently halts the Empire, so be it. I trust the former option more where everyone recognizes what’s really wrong here and fights that instead of each other; but I fear Trump might bring on the 2nd option; civil war, and he’s not worth it. It would be a massive tragedy to fight over Trump and there’s still the risk that people come out of it bloodied with the truth still hidden; that neither side was worth defending and that both sides deserve to fall. There’s no one side is right here. Trump is just a continuation of the same corruption Obama continued from Bush. It has to end; but not in civil war. I hope instead people wise up and see that the enemy is with both sides including Trump and fight the entire system together. Therein lies the only solution worth fighting for.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2017 19:36 utc | 27

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4, 2017 2:36:11 PM | 27
If you could be bothered reading, and reflecting on, the reams of mawkish drivel you post here, you’d realise that it’s straight out of the Hasbara Handbook chapter “How to De-humanise Palestinians”.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 4 2017 20:00 utc | 29

Quoting Jack Rabbit: “Sometimes reading MoA is like listening to the proverbial blind men describing an elephant. Each one touching a different part.”
If you change sometimes to ‘often’ or maybe ‘generally’ then JR hit it out of the park! Sadly, today is no exception to the general trend.

Posted by: c d toro | Mar 4 2017 20:34 utc | 31

they get burned once, so they have to go back for more. the sorrows of Empire. The US could end this terrible war and humanitarian disaster in a week by deny the saudis their jet fuel, bombs, targeting info and many sorts of joint cooperation. it’s all a great war crime; and the obama administration was warned by its own legals about culpability of the US in the war crimes of the vicious and vacuous saudis
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/03/03/pentagon-deploying-more-special-forces-around-yemen-north-africa/
Pentagon Deploying More Special Forces Around Yemen, North Africa
Officials Expect Newly Deployed Troops to ‘See a Lot of Action’
ABC News is reporting tonight that the Pentagon has been quietly deploying special forces units across the Middle East, particularly in Yemen, and in several nations around Northern Africa, moves seen as a prelude to an escalation in attacks on al-Qaeda and ISIS-linked forces across the region.
Officials say that there is a sense that the Trump Administration is more interested in using special operations’ forces, and that they are particularly interested in attacking al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) targets in Yemen, saying the lack of a functioning government in Yemen justifies more US operations……

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 4 2017 20:45 utc | 33

@ Circe | Mar 4, 2017 2:36:11 PM | 27
/~~~~~~~~~~
Look [blues], if you’re genuine, I feel your pain. I know what it’s like to lose faith in the latest messiah, but Trump deserves every word I write. It’s not that I detest only Trump. I detest the system that spawned him and others who surround him and preceded him.
\~~~~~~~~~~
— Circe
Alright this is FUCKING BULLSHIT. Trump never got anywhere near being my messiah, dipshit. What the hell is the matter with you? Are you attacking Trump, the so-called “Republicans”, the Russians, what? Stop lying about my very well documented opinions, liar! Stop misrepresenting me! You are such a full-of-it clown trying to bring me down.
THE TRUTH is this: I am against “both” of the two-party. I want the political “scientists” to be discredited and get jobs flipping burgers. I want the only two-party busting election system that exists to be implemented: strategic hedge simple score voting.
You can take your lying Dems (and Repugs) and shove them up where the sun don’t shine!
Stop lying about my stand!

Posted by: blues | Mar 4 2017 20:47 utc | 35

@25 Hoarsewhisperer.. ditto..

Posted by: james | Mar 4 2017 20:55 utc | 37

@33

that they [Trump admin] are particularly interested in attacking al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) targets in Yemen, saying the lack of a functioning government in Yemen justifies more US operations……

That’s because nothing has changed. Yemen, an impoverished country on the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe, is easy prey for the Empire led by the latest figurehead, Trump. A stone’s throw from Iran. AQ is just an excuse for violating sovereignty and killing and greasing the MIC machinery like ISIS is an excuse in Syria. Trump, same shit; different day.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 4 2017 21:00 utc | 39

@ michaelj72 | 33

Officials say that there is a sense that the Trump Administration is more interested in using special operations’ forces, and that they are particularly interested in attacking al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) targets in Yemen

Why I have a feeling those US special forces will be leading the fight against Houthis and “Iranian influence” instead? Whats more, they’ll probably do it together with Al Qaeda. They will simply rename them to YDF (Yemen’s Democratic Forces) or similar.

Posted by: Harry | Mar 4 2017 21:23 utc | 41

@ Circe | Mar 4, 2017 4:20:16 PM | 40
/~~~~~~~~~~
[blues;] Got it. Glad you’re not for the two-party monopoly with its dictator/messiah in chief. Have another beer on me; on second thought, make that sparkling water; your tone could use some watering down.
\~~~~~~~~~~
— Response to blues | Mar 4, 2017 3:47:28 PM | 35
Very sophisticated Agency psy-op response, I would say!

Posted by: blues | Mar 4 2017 21:32 utc | 43

Paveway IV 19
Good call. It reminds me of a comic about Ukraine with the two sides facing off behind sand bags with both of them saying “our oligarchs are better than yours.”
One place I’ve found insights from Russia is the Russian Newspaper series with Professor Filip Kovacevic over at newsbud on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qygsOlGJViU&list=PLfNq37CZ4pGGKwg7QNKQpBE3njftdTbJj
My take on Trump is he’s a slightly less bad Republican. Time will tell how much of the neocon agenda he’ll take on. He seems resistant for now. Yes, he’s a good buddy of Wall Street/lobbyists which is why they donated 25x more to Hillary’s campaign. And he’s a buddy of Israel but at least made a mention of settlements. But he has backtracked on a number of things including Russia. The media has the obsession for now but where were they during Obama?

Posted by: Curtis | Mar 4 2017 21:56 utc | 45

[blues;] Got it. Glad you’re not for the two-party monopoly with its dictator/messiah in chief. Have another beer on me; on second thought, make that sparkling water; your tone could use some watering down.
So now a Christian President is called a ‘Messiah’? Wow! Who knew? And the condescension in the last part of the comment is beneath even the one who made it.

Posted by: h | Mar 4 2017 22:10 utc | 47

So far, there is not the slightest bit of evidence for the alleged wire-tapping.
As long as that’s the case, the most convincing explanation seems that T. made it all up in order to divert attention from the various scandals surrounding his camp. Like ‘last night in Sweden’…
Meanwhile, the rest of the world looks on in bewilderment. America turns into a freak show, and China resumes the leadership role. Whatever you folks think of Trump – I hope you realize that nobody takes the US seriously any more.
Just please don’t start a civil war.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 4 2017 22:40 utc | 49

@18 Hoarse
Possible.
We’ll never know for sure, and if there are no immediate effects, there won’t be any later either.
What’s more interesting is that there is zero talk about Churkin’s death. Poor guy.
Looks like constant little cuts, trying to provoke an (over-)reaction…

Posted by: smuks | Mar 4 2017 22:53 utc | 51

@Circe
STFU
I’m tired of your shits!

Posted by: OJS | Mar 4 2017 23:10 utc | 53

Trump proposes huge hike in military and police spending (and huge austerity cuts to domestic services)
and
an article by Ralph Nader on the Trump speech
and much more topnotch stuff
on:
willyloman.wordpress.com

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 4 2017 23:19 utc | 55

You are allowing yourselves to be distracted. The oligarchs are successfully telling you not only what to think, but what to think about.

Posted by: Penelope | Mar 4 2017 23:22 utc | 57

The jack asses who don’t want to read what Circe writes would be wise to skip past Circe’s comments instead of polluting the thread with their boring and repetitive bulldust.
As for the hasbara claim, people who live in glass houses. Surely the incessant labelling of anyone who expresses an opinion which a poster disagrees with as ‘must be hasbara’ only serves to help the zionist shitbags because pretty soon everyone will be alleged to be a hasbara operative – meaning no one will be considered one, not even those with zionist ideology.
In other words there is more justification for suspecting someone who repeatedly hangs the hasbara label on supposition, without any evidence to back it up as being an hasbara operative, than there is for questioning the initial target. You mob all huddled down on the south eastern seaboard with yer toes barely in the water of Oz, not committing to Australia unless it is all comfy, who wouldn’t know indigenous culture unless it is safely packaged for ya, call that a boomerang don’t you hoarsewhisperer?
If I’m pissed and getting ad hominem it is because of the way the gang of trumpeters in denial have jumped on a bloke in a gang tackle simply because he/she expresses an opinion that makes them uncomfortable.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 4 2017 23:30 utc | 59

@ Debsisdead | Mar 4, 2017 6:30:25 PM | 59
So we are obligated to hear the very same Circe message again and again, like Groundhog Day #1294 again and again. Because this “truth” must come out.
It probably is from Hasbara (or hasbara), come to mention it. Another Agency “asset”.

Posted by: blues | Mar 4 2017 23:46 utc | 61

@ Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 4, 2017 6:51:21 PM | 62
Now the Curse is an assured Hasbara troll.
No more soup for you!
Over and Out!

Posted by: blues | Mar 4 2017 23:58 utc | 63

What is known is that a soft coup is underway led by corporate media and intelligence community leaks against Donald Trump. The Huffington Post’s headline today reads “Unglued”. NSA leaks led to the firing of Michael Flynn. The Democratic Party is red-baiting the Administration for collusion with Russia and therefore opposes détente. The Trump $54 billion increase in the military spending paid for by cuts in State Department and domestic spending including science and environmental protection is crazy. But, it can be reversed in the next election. However, the restart of the Cold War, once again, makes a nuclear exchange with Russia possible either by a mistake or horrible miscalculation. There is no coming back from a human extinction event.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Mar 5 2017 0:12 utc | 65

Actually Circe’s posts are 99% repetitive and those attacking them are mostly very recent. Hard questions are asked here every day.
If Debisdead and smuks want to complain, you should just stop reading the rest of us.
We have had enough!

Posted by: blues | Mar 5 2017 0:26 utc | 67

Curtis 50 “The only things I hope are not on the horizon are an economic collapse or a new war.”
Are there any other options for the US? To stave off economic collapse US must maintain control and maintain a monopoly of the world reserve currency. This requires military muscle – war, threat of war – alongside other measures. The reason why Trump is building up what is already the world largest military?
An economic collapse + domestic upheaval for the US seems the best option for the rest of the world.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 5 2017 0:31 utc | 69

And how many met with Israeli officiels?
number 4
this is not an israeli matter bringing up innocent parties that are just trying too survive and stop another jewish genocide.
russia and iran spies and bribes should be the heart of the matter.
let israel be eye say

Posted by: menchem -golani | Mar 5 2017 0:47 utc | 71

@67
I didn’t know you were several. Blue-S – plural s, I should’ve realized. Stupid me. 😉
@68
Well, but they ‘see’ only what they want to see and disregard the rest, la-la-la…
And if someone only accepts certain realities and listens to certain bits of what T. says, this does look like blind belief. Not necessarily love, ok.
nb – it’s easy to agree with ‘some of his agenda’, because he contradicts himself all the time.
When he says he wants to improve the lives of average Americans, of course I agree – unfortunately, his policies of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich point in the opposite direction (cf. Reaganomics). Also, rebuilding America’s industry and infrastructure is a good idea – but by focusing on coal, oil and other 19th/20th century industries, he’ll make sure the US falls even further behind.
That said, I really hate this kind of discussions. I’m not here to get into personal quarrels, but to learn stuff and exchange views with people I wouldn’t meet otherwise.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 5 2017 0:52 utc | 73

@Peter AU 69
“An economic collapse + domestic upheaval for the US seems the best option for the rest of the world.”
Not really. The US is far too big and powerful, both militarily and economically, for this to not severely affect the rest of the world. We’d have a global crisis of epic proportions, probably war.
Instead, we should cooperate to rebuild the US (and the UK), i.e. modernize its economy and infrastructure to be socially and ecologically sustainable. Alongside that, a new global currency regime will certainly evolve, through cooperation of the major central banks + IMF. It’s hard work, but feasible – but only if Americans want it and are willing to compromise.

Posted by: smuks | Mar 5 2017 1:05 utc | 75

#9
Love your style… Noirette.
The four ‘Dalton’ of French politics: Fillon, Macron, Hamon and Mélenchon. Cld it be a magic, Le Pen?… reinvented for the occasion as the French ‘LittleBigMan’ (raised by the tribe) able to cross out any invalid boxes (mentions inutiles)… or all of the above.
Re deep civil agitation in USA, cld you please translate this one: ‘… la dernière rechute d’Adam… en rangs donnés sur ses skis de fonte…’. Obviously before any general meltdown.

Posted by: kpax | Mar 5 2017 1:45 utc | 77

Debsisdead @59:

The jack asses who don’t want to read what Circe writes would be wise to skip past Circe’s comments instead of polluting the thread …

Circe’s point of view is already well represented in MSM – as VietnamVet points out @65:“… a soft coup is underway led by corporate media and intelligence community leaks …”. That’s why the “jack asses” here believe that Circe is the one “polluting the thread”.
Isn’t Circe “polluting” @13 when he says:

Trump looks like the white girl who falsely cries rape against the black guy …
.. don’t look at Trump who may have started the fire; look at the arsonist black guy, Obama …
… the illiterate mass Trump is targeting in Appalachia and racist rednecks are lapping this up already and readying their pitch forks.

So anyone that disagrees with Circe and the establishment mob are illiterate racists? OK.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 5 2017 2:12 utc | 79

A marvelously subjective and vacuous piece by TIME … very reminiscent of the shit that would be spewed out leading up to the ouster of various countries leaders such as: Chavez & Gaddafi & Allende, etc.
Chickens have come home to roost …

Donald Trump: Facts, Fascism and Tyranny
Donald Trump and the New Dawn of Tyranny
… It is in this light that we should consider President Donald Trump and his closest advisors and spokespeople. Although they occupy the positions they do thanks to an election, there is little reason to believe that they support the American constitutional system as it stands, and much to remind us of authoritarian regimes changes of the recent past. A basic weapon of regime changers, as fascists realized nearly a century ago, is to destroy the concept of truth. Democracy requires the rule of law, the rule of law depends upon trust, and trust depends upon citizens’ acceptance of factuality. The president and his aides actively seek to destroy Americans’ sense of reality …

Would seem ‘the Press’ is having trouble grappling with & sustaining the previous sense of ‘(un)reality’ … even the discussion of possible rapprochement with the Evil Russkies is ‘verboten’, Treasonous!
Why ?
It was never an issue in the past for government representatives and fellow travellers … what is threatened by such rapprochement to engender these remarkable responses ?
No doubt all will be well again, as spokesmen for the Atlantic Council, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the American Enterprise Institute, the Bilderberg Group & the Rockefeller family will form a new Committee on the Present Danger, call a press conference and have a series of patriotic, selfless nobility, explain to the sheeple why we should openly embrace FEAR of a ‘regime’ led by Demon-Head Putin.
Yep, a country with a defense budget, so massive, it is the same size as that of the mighty, UK! 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2017 2:42 utc | 81

smuks 75 “Instead, we should cooperate to rebuild the US (and the UK), i.e. modernize its economy and infrastructure to be socially and ecologically sustainable”
There is a part of US general culture that has been around since the inception of the US as an independent state that requires change – constant expansion and exceptionalism is the best I can put it but does not adequately cover that part of the culture that requires change.
As far as I can see, that change will only come about through extreme hardship.
Collapse of the US will bring about major changes in the world and cause some hardship, but the alternatives are constant US hegemony, or nuke war.
A bit like getting off an addictive substance. Tough going for awhile.
Saying please and asking nicely, I don’t think will change the US.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 5 2017 4:14 utc | 83

In the case of Trump, I won’t try to presume what Putin is thinking, but just for the sake of hypothesis, he might be thinking: I have a trump in my hand; I can play it or not. It’s not indispensable, but for now it serves the long-range purpose; the greater end. Eventually I’ll be able to discard it, because I won’t need it any more. However, the risk is that Trump can also be used by the Deep State in the service of their ongoing twisted World Order, but for now he might still be in the hand Putin holds. I’m speculating.

RAOTFLMFAO ! You’ve apparently overdosed on too much Guardian/CNN/BBC …
“I have a Trump in my hand“, thinks Evil™ Russky Demon-Head Putin. LOL.
You forget to project though, utilizing your astounding & remarkable powers of astral travelling/long-distance, mind-reading/telepathy, that Putin is secretly still an evil heathen Stalinist Communist and wishes to revive a Bolshevikian Internationale Revolutionary awakening, to create a Leninist-Trotskyist-Zionist-Frisbeetarian new world order hegemony, covertly funded by a pot of gold proffered by the ‘little people’ of Ireland, the Leprechauns!

… I cannot therefore help but be on the side of justice and the truth, yet realizing that my position that is shared by many, perhaps, not many here, is used to manipulate and maintain the status quo and that my and others’ aversion to Trump could be used to destroy the only vehicle available to collapse the system is maddening.

LOL ! Did you lift that from a Superman comic ?
Nah sorceress, preferred it when you just filled threads with endless posts packed to overflowing with an overabundance of the following keywords:
‘zionist, trump, putin, Machiavellian, trump, putin, zionist, evil plans, putin, zionist, trump, zionist cabal, trump, putin, zionist, zionist new world order, putin, trump, zionist, putin, trump, putin, trump, zionist conspiracy …’.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2017 5:22 utc | 85

@9 noirette
any thoughts on Google is Directing the French Election Campaign?

Since February 28, 2017, Google News Lab and the European Journalism Center (EJC) have coordinated French and foreign companies for the duration of the French presidential election campaign.
Companies that have reached an agreement with Google News Lab and the European Journalism Center (EJC) for the duration of the French presidential campaign are:
AFP,
Bellingcat,
Bloomberg,
Buzz Feed News,
Journalist Training Center,
Center France,
Channel 4,
Sciences Po School of Journalism,
Euractiv,
Euronews,
Explicite,
Facebook,
Factoscope,
France24-Les Observateurs,
FranceTelevision,
Global Voices,
International Business Times,
L’Express,
La Provence,
La Voix du Nord,
L’Avenir,
LCI,
Liberation,
London School of Economics,
Mashable-France 24, Meedan,
Nice-Matin,
West-France,
Street 89,
StoryFul,
Street Press,
South-West.

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=google+news+lab&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=mqW7WPHYFoin6AStiZHICQ

Posted by: jfl | Mar 5 2017 5:45 utc | 87

@75 smuks.. i didn’t realize how optimistic you are on the banking system! i agree strongly with @69/83 peter au.. i can’t see any other way out.. the financial ponzi scheme – with the imf an important feature – are completely immoral and un-redeemable.. sorry to burst this bubble if indeed you have faith in the ‘rightness’ of the present financial pyramid /ponzi system..

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2017 5:58 utc | 89

Circe@13
You seem obsessed with Trump and provide attacks against Trump that are straight out of the Saul Alinsky playbook:
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
Or perhaps the other leftist propaganda channels:
https://mediamatters.org/
https://americanbridgepac.org/
http://www.citizensforethics.org/
http://shareblue.com/
I suggest that you read the original Wizard of Oz or the videos of George Carlin (especially on voting). Trump is just a figurehead for one wing of the deep state as HILLARY WAS FOR THE OTHER WING. Besides, if he didn’t exist he would have had to be invented. See the book “War and Peace” on why the French went to war against Russia (and lost badly).

Posted by: Krollchem | Mar 5 2017 6:29 utc | 91

Lozion 89
Pat Lang at SST says there is co-operation between US and Russian military in Syria now, which adds up with what is happening between Al Bab and Manbij.
On the other side, according to DOD website, US is still hitting Syrian infrastructure – oil well heads ect – in Deir Ezzor province rather than ISIS, yet in Raqqa province US is hitting ISIS positions. I guess they still consider Raqqa province their’s (as in Rand report) and don’t want to destroy too much stuff.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 5 2017 6:50 utc | 93

Why am I not surprised..?
Obama’s wiretaps on Trump Tower were routed through and conducted by British Intelligence, in an effort to circumvent U.S. surveillance law.

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 5 2017 7:11 utc | 95

aa much should be as much a …..

Posted by: Circe | Mar 5 2017 7:43 utc | 97

Corrections for Noirette on Fr prez el: lr is new name not of upr but of rpr then ump
Valls not min of fin but prime min
Macron was finmin
Hamon not Corbyn type rather was used by hollande to counter valls ambition and serves macron ones in the end
Macron is supported by the deep fr state aka french media/banks corpo from day 1

Posted by: Mina | Mar 5 2017 9:56 utc | 99