Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 28, 2017

Democrats: "Russia Ate Our Homework"

TRUMP increases sanctions on Russia.

DEMOCRATS: "Putin installed this president! Trump is illegitimate!"

TRUMP expands wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Syria

DEMOCRATS: "Russia is out to get us!"

TRUMP dismantles environmental regulations.

DEMOCRATS: "White House distracts from Russia investigation!"

TRUMP kills worker protection, lowers billionaire taxes.

DEMOCRATS: "Putin's interference cost us the election!"

TRUMP launches nuclear war with North Korea.

DEMOCRATS: "Russia ate our homework!"

Posted by b on March 28, 2017 at 01:15 PM | Permalink

Comments

LOL. Well said.

Posted by: MeThinks | Mar 28, 2017 1:29:46 PM | 1

A major reason that Democrats have become neo-McCarthyite is to keep the Bernistas at bay. Blaming everything on Putin blocks any accountability for the party's Wall Street leadership. If Masha Gessen is complaining about Democratic overreach ("Don’t Fight Their Lies With Lies of Your Own") then you know something is seriously out of whack.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Mar 28, 2017 1:33:07 PM | 2

b, doesn't a similar dynamic operate in your nation?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28, 2017 1:44:52 PM | 3

Scapegoating is the oldest weapon of mass distraction.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 28, 2017 1:48:49 PM | 4

Salon's latest appears to blame America ennui and cynicism on deliberate putin ploys ... I suspect he's soon to be blamed for the rising "despair suicide epidemic" (amazed he's been spared blame for the opiate, fentanyl, epidemic)
Salon: Russia’s cyberwar against America isn’t over — and the real target is democracy -- The Soviet Union never attacked America as blatantly as Putin has — and we're in danger of losing democracy. It would be funny if they weren't deadly serious and if Gessen were not getting thumbs-up retweets and endorsements all over the place from folks who should be wiser.

The autocratic Russian president, his oligarch allies and his intelligence services, including the Federal Security Service (or FSB) and the GRU, recognized an emerging perfect storm in America that included a convergence of the following:
1. A distrust in institutions and the news media.

2. The emergence of almost universal social-media usage.

3. The willingness to repeat outrageous rumors or fake news to help boost personal social-media branding.

4. Political polarization and the accompanying emergence of information bubbles, confirmation bias and echo chambers.

5. The metastasizing of the post-Watergate misconception that anyone can or should be president, leading to the candidacy of a reality-show celebrity named Trump. (Today’s folksy “have a beer” qualification nearly supersedes other qualifications.)

It rained today but I wanted sun ... the cynicism-inducing effects of the "revealed" Obama and Clinton over the last decade not.worth.mentioning.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 28, 2017 1:54:52 PM | 5

When you are owned by Wall Street and the Deep State you aren't concerned with trivial things that the hoi polloi are dying to have.

If you want to see how the DNC reacted to last November's total defeat take a look at Jon Ossoff, the guy chosen to run for Tom Price's open seat in the 6th District of Georgia. Georgetown, Madeleine Albright, London School of Economics, propaganda films. The only thing missing in his wikipedia bio is when he signed up with the CIA. I'm guessing it was sometime in high school.

The Democratic Party is dead to Democrats.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Mar 28, 2017 2:10:04 PM | 6

The thing I find so insidious in this Russian conspiracy mongering is the underlying helplessness, even defeatism, suggesting that -- "self evidently" -- Putin has already won and we've already lost -- it suggests some upcoming apocalyptic ("which side are you on") day-of-reckoning ... which I (perhaps erroneously) doubt reasonates with most folks who long-ago turned off the fear-mongering press .. perhaps in favor of savoring the present and being surprised when the end comes.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 28, 2017 2:33:37 PM | 7

lol... good one b! sad kettle of fish for the american people and for the people of the world with a political system that is the laughing stock of the world at this point..

Posted by: james | Mar 28, 2017 2:40:37 PM | 8

It's always fun to hear Right-wing Cranks/Wannabe Masters Of The Universe blaming someone else when one, or more, of their half-baked plots collapses under the weight of the bullshit which made it seem like a good idea.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 28, 2017 2:51:22 PM | 9

If Putin and the Russians are so diabolically clever and successful at subverting US democracy that means that US intelligence agencies have been abject failures. Have any heads rolled over these alleged massive intelligence failures? Rhetorical question.

Posted by: Qualtrough | Mar 28, 2017 2:53:06 PM | 10

@ Susan Sunflower | 5

"Salon's latest appears to blame America ennui and cynicism on deliberate putin ploys ..."
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Whether it's genuine Russophobia, or fake Party Line Russophobia, I've noticed that it includes this thread of cultural "soft criticism".

That is, the US/EU/NATO infoganda artists-- Elected Misrepresentatives and state mass-media consent manufactories-- have made "hard" allegations, albeit based on insinuations and innuendo, that Russia's state-security apparatus has directly and overtly "tampered with" election results, sponsored or colluded with hackers, cultivated "fifth column" sympathizers and de facto operatives to nefariously influence Western public opinion, etc.

But they also work in the "charge(s)" that the evil, pernicious Russkies have also sought to undermine the public's faith and confidence in government and the electoral process. The charlatans utter this indictment with the gravest, Churchillian high dudgeon and self-righteousness.

How dare some "outsider" cast aspersions upon the paragons of Modern Democracy represented by the US and EU hegemony! Surely, any radical criticism of these governments and their policies and actions is implicitly false and meritless, and can only be understood and explained as an attempt to undermine and destroy appropriate faith and trust in their political leadership!

Any discerning observer can see that this impassioned cri de cœur, stripped of its high-flown rhetoric, amounts to whining, "Hey! Those damned Russkies are making us look bad!" It is to laugh!

This phenomenon induced a feeling of déjà vu. Of course, this complaint isn't novel. Conservative Elders have traditionally excoriated iconoclasts for supposedly encouraging social decay and "anarchy" by refuting Panglossian exceptionalism and exposing political leaders' feet of clay.

Among other precedents, it reminds me of the 1970s reactionary criticisms of writers like Kurt Vonnegut. Indignant wingnuts chastised writers like Vonnegut and Joseph Heller for impermissibly "teaching Youth to be cynical about patriotism and democratic institutions".

It's no surprise that "Salon", a progressive-liberal lite bastion, echoes this "soft" authoritarian-submissive doctrine.

Posted by: Ort | Mar 28, 2017 3:15:21 PM | 11

The democrat party is the same as it was before Trump got elected. The DNC are going to maintain their establishment and wait for Trump and the REpublicans to fail miserably at their jobs. I guess that is all they can do

Posted by: aaaa | Mar 28, 2017 3:15:23 PM | 12

Lavrov's recent lecture at Russia's Military Academy for the General Staff provided some insights in to how Kremlin leaders view the Outlaw US Empire and its "slanderous" campaign against Russia. Here's the passage most relevant to the current discourse:

"Question: Recent experience shows that, in terms of the damage they cause, aggressive actions in the media at times have consequences similar to the use of weapons of mass destruction. In your opinion, isn’t it time, at the UN, in the format of bilateral ties with other states, to move forward with drafting and signing a comprehensive treaty in this field, similar to strategic arms limitation treaties?"

"Sergey Lavrov: We’ve been working on this for several years now. Russia put forward an initiative that became known at the UN as International Information Security [Initiative]. It has been a subject of independent resolutions at a number of UN General Assembly sessions. While initially these resolutions were rejected by some of our Western partners, in recent years resolutions related to the UN contribution to international information security have been adopted unanimously.

"Several years ago, a group of government experts was set up. It drafted a report that was approved by consensus at the UN General Assembly. The General Assembly expressed support for continuing this effort in the context of identifying specific cyberspace risks at present. Another government expert group was also formed, which is beginning to work. It is meant to prepare specific proposals in one and a half years.

"I’d like to say right away that despite the apparently constructive participation of all states in this discussion, we are aware of the desire [of certain states] to limit themselves to discussions and not reach practical international legal agreements. So, alongside the work that I just mentioned, Russia and its partners, in particular in the SCO, have drafted a document entitled Code of Conduct for Cyberspace. It was also distributed at the UN and is designed to promote targeted dialogue on the legal aspects of this problem. Overall, we believe (and we have already submitted this proposal) that it is time to draft an international convention on cyber security, including the elimination of threats and risks related to hacking. We were the first to propose penalising and banning hacking within the framework of international law. We will see how those who are accusing Russian hackers of seeking to blow up the world in the style of James Bond will respond to this.

"There is another important topic related to these issues. It concerns internet governance. For several years now a discussion on the democratisation of the internet and internet governance has been ongoing at the International Telecommunication Union. A very serious ideological struggle, if you will, is under way. Some people are upholding free market principles but there are also those who believe that farming out the internet to the free market is tantamount to giving it away to just one country. In this context, serious debate lies ahead.

"We see all these problems. The majority of countries agree on the need to enforce some generally acceptable order. Focused work is under way but it is too early to expect any results yet."

There are other points within the Q&A where this topic gets discussed further, although within a somewhat different context than the above. Relative to Hybrid War, Lavrov says: "An information war is underway when slander becomes a mandatory condition for the media. This is an objective fact." Later in response to another question regarding the defense of national interests, Lavrov replies:

"It's amazing to see how the media in the countries you mentioned and other EU countries come up with absolutely fictional and, most importantly, inept, clumsily written articles and reports about Russia’s widespread influence on their electoral processes. I would say they should be ashamed of having election systems they cannot even protect from external interference. I am referring to such major countries as Germany and France, not some small countries. Second, they do not offer a single fact. We constantly remind them about it; President Vladimir Putin regularly communicates with German politicians and business leaders. My German counterpart, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel, has visited Russia recently. He met with President Putin and they had a frank discussion of these issues. When you talk to them at our regular meetings, they show no such fanaticism. But obviously, someone really wants this fanaticism to be artificially maintained and whipped up. I could never imagine that these self-respecting media outlets could sink so low – to flagrant slander without even bothering to provide facts."

As noted above, I again emphasize this lecture is a must read, http://www.mid.ru/en/press_service/video/-/asset_publisher/i6t41cq3VWP6/content/id/2702537

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28, 2017 4:14:01 PM | 13

Well one could laugh but this hysteria is sick and dangerous, this is what happens if you question western news today:

Danish journalist Iben Thranholm: ‘Does this make me a Russian agent?’:
The Danish journalist Iben Thranholm is branded as a “pro-Russian propagandist” by EU task force EastStracom.

https://www.facebook.com/freewestmedia/posts/1874109846198716

Posted by: Anon1 | Mar 28, 2017 4:28:46 PM | 14

hang on?

So he is the one to start world war three? I thought that was the one no one could vote for?

Surely, one day Trump is gonna be all presidential and bring peace to all of us, together with Russia. xoxoxox

And can anyone tell us what Jared! and Ivanka! are doing? Nepotism, or is that only for countries that are not US American and Russa?

fuck me, but seriously this post is bullshit.

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 28, 2017 4:33:00 PM | 15

Jimmy Dore of the Jimmy Dore show agrees with you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY7CxRO5AkA

Posted by: h | Mar 28, 2017 4:43:29 PM | 16

@14 karlof1.. thanks for sharing that and the link.. very good!

Posted by: james | Mar 28, 2017 5:20:33 PM | 17

Anyone here read the "Russian Democracy Act 2002" enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America?

Section 2, Finding and Purposes:
(3A) Since 1992, United States Government democratic
reform programs and public diplomacy programs, including
training, and small grants have provided access to and training
in the use of the Internet, brought nearly 40,000 Russian
citizens to the United States, and have led to the establishment
of more than 65,000 nongovernmental organizations
, thousands
of independent local media outlets, despite governmental
opposition, and numerous political parties
.
(Unquote)

More than 65.000 NG0s established in Russia by the US-Government from 1999-2002? What a crazy number!
And how many more NGOs have been created there in the following 15 years till today? In the tens of thousands the figure must be.
But how many NGOs have the Russians established in the West meanwhile (the West, not only US)?
Its far less than a dozen, as far as I am know.

Imagine the Russian had tried to installed only 650 Russian NGOs (1% of the numbers above) in the US?


Link to the public Law Document:

Posted by: maningi | Mar 28, 2017 6:10:31 PM | 18

I wrote this earlier today:

WHAT IS HYBRID WAR?

Hybrid war is somewhere between diplomacy and war. It is like being half-pregnant. Hybrid war is never all-out war. Instead it tries to limit escalation into a real war.

NATO's definition of Russian hybrid war arises from the short appearance of polite people or the 50 or so unmarked green men at the Simferopol airport on February 28, 2014. Russia could naturally have sent in a whole tank division or moved its 15,000 troops on Crimea from their bases, but that could have resulted in a formal state of war existing between the Russian Federation and the Maidan regime in Kiev. By leaving out national identification markings Russia allowed Kiev to ignore the incident and to maintain diplomatic ties.

The "Little Green Men" caused huge alarm and hysteria in NATO headquarters. They were suddenly seen as a Russian miracle weapon that could threaten the security of Western Europe. This of course is bullshit!

The window for the use of "Green Men" and other methods of hybrid warfare arises from the internal weaknesses and conflicts of the target country. These by definition cannot exist in an open society like the democratic West purports to be. The clear exception is the Baltic apartheid states of Estonia and Latvia. They are not democracies but more like ethnic dictatorships and U.S. protectorates.

Someone more informed on the NATO side wrote an article two years ago debunking the whole narrative. He said that the "hybrid" threat of domestic insurrection as seen in Estonia and Latvia cannot be countered by NATO security guarantees or international intervention, but must be handled by local police and security forces locally.

Western security looks different if one rejects the notion that Western democracies are open societies and instead sees them as semi-dictatorships controlled by the Anglo-American "Deep State" and by the the fake news and false narratives of the mainstream media. In this scenario the election of Trump as president becomes an act of Russian hybrid war. It was the result of hostile elements of Russian information influence entering the U.S. information space. If one lives in a hybrid war mentality, then everything the "enemy" does or may have done becomes and act of hybrid war.

The link given by Susan Sunflower @5 proves the point. Bob Cesca of Salon is totally delusional!

Russia’s cyberwar against America isn’t over — and the real target is democracy

Russia declared war on the United States last year, and it’s a war that continues to be waged today...

Millions of our own people, millions of American voters on both sides of the aisle were manipulated into acting as unwitting foot soldiers for Vladimir Putin’s invasion...

Trench by trench, Facebook group by Facebook group, Americans executed Putin’s attacks for him...

Trump was placed in office by Putin. But it only happened because millions of Americans unknowingly volunteered to serve as enemy combatants, undermining and betraying their own country and their own democratic elections. Make no mistake: Putin’s attack was less about electing Donald Trump and more about turning Americans against America. Whether you were suckered by Putin or voted for Trump based on fake news, we all suffer from a skewed view of U.S. elections today. We’re all more suspicious about whether our elections are on the level, and we should be. Putin’s goal was to goad us into asking the perpetual question: How can we possibly trust the outcomes of future elections knowing that Russia preselected our president years ago and then set about guaranteeing that outcome by turning our people against us?

This is the next colossal problem to solve. Once we weed out Putin’s quislings inside the White House...

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 28, 2017 6:22:15 PM | 19

That many games being played... Political hacks working against Trump, many Presidential appointments still unfilled, Trying to take out those around Trump and Trump himself and concentrating on the fight against Russia.
Even though Trump was not the anointed, he still has qualities the P-nacker types can work with. Those that write the constant updates to manifest destiny always have Iran and North Korea in their sights.
If Trump cannot be removed he can be used to try and take out Iran and NK and also take the blame for US boots in bodybags.
The partitioning of Syria is now going ahead to Rand Corp plans. This will give the US control of a large amount of territory on Irans western border. US has already announced it Will keep military forces in Iraq after ISIS is defeated. Genocide of the people of Yemen is underway as US will need full control of Bab al-Mandab straight before attacking Iran.

A couple of plays occurring? Political hacks will continue to try and remove or restrict Trump, meantime the powers that be are moving forward with their plans, simply adjusting them to Trump for the moment?

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 28, 2017 6:25:41 PM | 20

maningi @19--

That's an excellent example of Cultural Imperialism. Russia is trying to rid itself of those deemed detrimental to its sociocultural being. And Russia is far from the only victim of such.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 28, 2017 6:35:05 PM | 21

maningi 19

Something like that was listed on the US Russian embassy website about two years ago

At that time the US Syrian embassy website, amongst other things where advertising for American companies to supply and install oil infrastructure in rebel held parts of Syria.

Most everything the US was doing around the world at that time was blandly in your face listed on their various embassy websites, no tinfoil hat required.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 28, 2017 6:44:23 PM | 22

Everyone seems to present this as a Putin v. U.S. war when, in fact, the Brits have been much more vicious against Putin than the U.S. media. The real war here is Putin v. the Rothschild cabal in its City of London. The U.S. and the CIA (CIA has no real U.S. connection, works directly for the cabal) are just the present kneecappers for the cabal.

Posted by: Tony B. | Mar 28, 2017 6:50:09 PM | 23

Correction: CIA has no U.S. OVERSIGHT . . . .

Posted by: Tony B. | Mar 28, 2017 6:56:51 PM | 24

For some readson i read all of that in Dany Devitos voice which made it all the more funnier. But seriously their Focus on the russian "allegations" is just going to strengthen Trump when the whole thing just blows up in their faces. It kind of reminds me of the Situation back in 2008 when Obama was First elected and panicing republicans called him a commie and claimed that he wad going to fuck up the country. I mean sure they were right, but they could not have possibly known that then. The point is this "ressistance" is a joke, and Trump will probably deliver the punchline soon enough

Posted by: Frank | Mar 28, 2017 7:00:41 PM | 25

I keep thinking that this is all fanfare leading up to Hillary Clinton's moment of triumphant return (or something) ... in which she will galvanize the party, which will unify behind her and drive Trump and his minions from Washington (actual method and details to be determined / unspecified) ... "like in a movie" or more likely Hillary's "dream sequence"

It feels like the sort of noisy loud barking that's heard with over-anxious "guard dogs", who would actually be willing and eager to be called off by their master, but won't stop barking until given permission to stop ... or something.

Professional Putin hater Gessen is getting kudos galore for point out that the Putin Trump conspiracy theory lacks evidence ... yes, I was glad for the NYRB piece ... but I fear it may mean that she (and her Putin hating) will gain stature and credibility on her next go-around ... Has Gessen displaced Applebaum temporarily? Pussy Riot has been in the news again ... and I'm on the look out for some Michael Khodorkovsky update or editorial, since like the seasons these things seem to follow one another and -- gosh -- Putin is up for reelection this year ... speaking of whom: WAshington Times: Russian dissident hopes Trump will end Putin’s power (03/08/2017).

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 28, 2017 7:57:34 PM | 26

TRUMP: increases sanctions on Russia.
TRUMP: expands wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Syria
TRUMP: dismantles environmental regulations.
TRUMP: kills worker protection, lowers billionaire taxes.
TRUMP: launches nuclear war with North Korea.

DEMOCRATS: sh*t ... Trump did our homework ... "Trump's a russki-commie-pinko-faggot!"

whenever the demoblicans loose to the republicrats they make an end-run around them on the right. only now that requires going out of bounds completely, over the edge and into mccarthyism, jingo, fascism and ... shrill irrelevance.

confusing the democrat party with an opposition to the neolibraconians?

at this late stage in the 'game'?

there may be less than a dime's worth of difference between the repbublicrats and demoblicans ... but the salaries of hundreds of thousands / millions of neolibraconian hacks are on the line here ... and trump ain't hirin'!

what we need to do ... sez i ... is to organize and seriously start firin' ... there are only 546 of them (537, the supremes are not yet elected)! there are 313 million of us!

replace all the elephants and jackasses with ordinary americans chosen from among ourselves.

it'll take a decade. no time like the present to begin.

no citizen denied her/his vote* for any reason => federal recall, referendum, initiative.

* we citizens register ourselves, authorize and authenticate ourselves, run our paper-ballot polls ourselves, count and store the results ourselves.

Posted by: jfl | Mar 28, 2017 8:33:12 PM | 27

I think the only level of disregard that will move Democrats is to respond to their every speech act with a call to literally commit seppuku. Anything else admits of a continued need for them and their performative contrition Rollenspiel.

Posted by: Jonathan | Mar 28, 2017 8:48:52 PM | 28

@16 Sabine

fuck me, but seriously this post is bullshit.

What is bullshit about it? The fact that Trump is a fraud and dismantling America while rattling sabers at all and sundry abroad, or the fact that the DNC and its sycophants blame Russia and Putin for, well, everything they dislike?

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 28, 2017 10:03:36 PM | 29

@ 14 karlof1

Thanks for this, sir. Best post of the week.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 28, 2017 10:06:49 PM | 30

@30

You have to ask? They're two corrupt sides of the same coin. I've been repeating this for months now and getting nothing but abuse around here for it. Trump is a CON, a snake oil salesman, i.e. a LIAR, a narcissist i.e. megalomaniac and everything is unfolding as I was convinced it would.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 28, 2017 10:32:50 PM | 31

One of Trumps first moves was to kill the TPP, something that would have put all governments signed up to it under the control of the mostly US based multi-national corporations ????

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 28, 2017 10:46:20 PM | 32

It's important to maintain perspective. The "big news" today was that Dick Cheney called Russian meedling in the 2016 Elections an "act of war". McCain had said the same in December but for Cheney to repeat that now - after little, if any, evidence of such interference only shows (again) how much the establishment despises Trump.

Trump hate is a blind alley. Purposely so. Promoting such thinking does a disservice. We see to think about what comes after Trump (ike jfl above). IMO, a successful Movement that returns power to the people is one that unites the principled left and principled right. I think direct democracy can do that. I encourage everyone to explore the Pirate Party, a Party that provides a form of direct democracy that makes a good start.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 28, 2017 11:07:49 PM | 33

@32 Circe

They're two corrupt sides of the same coin. I've been repeating this for months now and getting nothing but abuse around here for it. Trump is a CON, a snake oil salesman, i.e. a LIAR, a narcissist i.e. megalomaniac

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That's why I was asking "Sabine", who apparently does not agree, what exactly is "bullshit" about pointing out the failings of Trump and the DNC crowd.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 28, 2017 11:22:29 PM | 34

I hope that today's offering indicates "b" has let the scales fall from his eyes regarding Trump and sees the guy for the nefarious danger he and his junta and Goldman Sachs/corporate raider administration are to the United States and the world.

Anyone who looks into Steve Bannon's background and reads his public comments and still thinks the Chump administration stands for peaceful trade and ending American imperialism is a fool or an idiot.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 28, 2017 11:31:36 PM | 35

It's important to understand what the establishment dislikes about Trump.

1) Trump is NOT a proponent of Assad must go!.
Neocons and their ME sponsors reject any middle-ground/accommodation on Syria. They want total victory for headchoppers because that eliminates Iranian influence and the Hezbolla 'threat to Israel.

2) Trump is anti-TPP.
This trade deal is sold as the best way to contain China. But it is actually a means off destroying sovereignty that strengthens the form of Empire that powerful "allies" prefer.

3) Trump uses the power of his office to connect and communicate with people.
Obama scolded us and communicated when he had to. Trump trashes the media, former Presidents, etc.

4) Drain the Swamp
Trump has instituted tough rules on lobbying. Washington doesn't care for rules that constrain money-making.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 28, 2017 11:51:20 PM | 36

Historical traditions should also be mentioned among the factors that determine a nation’s role in world politics. “History is the memory of States,” said Henry Kissinger, the theoretician and practitioner of international relations. By the way, the United States, whose interests Mr Kissinger has always defended, did not aspire to be the centre of the liberal world order for a greater part of its own fairly short history, and did not see that role as its preeminent mission. Its Founding Fathers wanted its leadership and exceptional nature to derive from its own positive example. Ironically, the American elite, which emerged as freedom fighters and separatists anxious to cast off the yoke of the British crown, had transformed itself and its state by the 20th century into a power thirsting for global imperialist domination. The world is changing, however, and – who knows – America might yet purify itself and return to its own forgotten sources.

Excerpt from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to questions during a lecture for senior officers of the Military Academy of the General Staff, Moscow, March 23, 2017

Link [use at your own risk]: http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2702537

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 12:01:05 AM | 37

@35

Why doesn't b just come right out and slam Trump and expose him in every sense for the lying, pretender ass that he is? Right away, the title tells you who he's really blaming; the title says nothing of Trump...but-but the buck stops with Trump. Every criticism is couched by the Democrats are distracted by Russiagate, but isn't everyone??? Which is the bigger elephant in the room: grandpa Trump's pretense at respectability and more laughably, President, or Russia collusion?

Russia or no Russia Trump is disgusting. One Howard Stern interview is enough proof; it's not rocket science for crying out loud! sleazy and corrupt does Washington, specifically, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue; that's the least of it.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 12:39:28 AM | 38

Hmm; is this true? If so, about time.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-28/dnc-asks-entire-staff-resignation-letters

Posted by: V. Arnold | Mar 29, 2017 12:44:29 AM | 39

...
4) Drain the Swamp
Trump has instituted tough rules on lobbying. Washington doesn't care for rules that constrain money-making.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 28, 2017 11:51:20 PM | 37

Trump's inaugural Drain The Swamp promise was no accident. It put The Swamp Club on notice which was unnecessarily sporting of him considering their own tactics. He wouldn't have been so upfront about his intentions if he hadn't already written the How To Drain the Swamp Manual long before the Election. Anyone who thinks he expected a smooth run, after such a confrontational start, isn't terribly bright; or grown-up.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29, 2017 12:45:08 AM | 40

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology-global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle-with liberty at stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address, January 17, 1961.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 12:48:12 AM | 41

Is Trump destroying the GOOGLE? There is a coordinate boycott ads campaign against them going on. They can lose billions because of this. http://mobilemarketingmagazine.com/youtube-advertiser-boycott-extremist-content-cost-google-750m

For who doesn't know. Google has deep ties with CIA since Stanford days in 1998.

Posted by: Nick | Mar 29, 2017 1:09:10 AM | 42

@42

Oh yeah Ike was a real authority on peace in the world, he only threatened the Chinese with nuclear weapons and ordered the CIA to overthrow the democratically-elected leader of Iran at the time to install the Shah and conspire with the U.K. to steal Iranian oil and commit atrocities against the people of Iran. From wiki:

He therefore authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to overthrow Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh.[174] This resulted in an increased strategic control over Iranian oil by U.S. and British companies.[175]

Such a nice guy! It's like I always say: actions speak louder than silver-tongued words.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 1:11:06 AM | 43

Also, I would like to say that if the practice of leaking information that concerns not just the United States but also Russia, which has become a tradition in Washington in the past few years, continues, there will come a day when the media will publish leaks about the things that Washington asked us to keep secret, for example, things that happened during President Obama’s terms in office. Believe me, this could be very interesting information.

h/t Zerohedge -- Briefing by Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria , Moscow, March 23, 2017

Next door to the Lavrov speech @14 karlof1 (Thank you!)

Let's consider the possibility that Russia has fully penetrated the CIA (not a stretch) (and by transposition the DNC) (laugh if you like) and actually DID run Trump as a presidential stooge. Let's say that the US media accidentally stumbled upon the theoretical truth that Snowden and Assange are in fact operating with/for Russia (who pays their bills?) (Ecuador?)(Iran?)(Soros?)

Why would Russia agree to keep American secrets as Zakharova implies, and what do we think of the threat of Russia revealing the dirt it has on the MOBama administration? Is Russia playing the USG or is it a pointed insinuation to make fun of the Russophobia?

Elsewhere in her remarks, Zakharova refers to the assassination in Kiev:

Note that she condemns Ukraine's reflexive finger-pointing at Moscow yet she herself asserts evidence that it was a contract killing to send a message. How would she know? What evidence? What message?

The Russians are a sophisticated yet ruthless bunch. Their theme of taking the high road and pointing their condescending finger at anyone who accuses them is fairly consistent. I still wouldn't dismiss the idea that they are in fact pulling some strings along with Turkey, the Saudis, the Izzies, etc. or were they played? The Clintons harvested a lot of cash from folks that wanted favor in the new administration, if you believe the Guccifer leaks. So many leaks, ship sinks, rats swim.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 1:25:43 AM | 44

Quote:

Evidence suggests it was a contract killing that, by all indications, was meant to send a message. As soon as the media reported this assassination Moscow hoped that Ukrainian law enforcement agencies would be able promptly to solve this crime and identify the masterminds behind it and of course its perpetrators, without any politicisation[sic] and based on objective data. However, after Ukrainian President Poroshenko announced that this assassination was “an act of terror perpetrated by Moscow,” naturally, there was no more hope left that the investigation would be impartial or objective. We have no doubt about that. By all indications, this time as well the “killer regime” (as it is already being referred to) will do its best to make sure that no one will ever know the truth about what happened in Kiev.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 1:27:34 AM | 45

b - too funny.

Ort@12 - Well said!

karlof1@14 - Lavrov understands my country better than I do - I always enjoy being educated by him. I have to say that there was one zinger at the very end: What will Russia do about that girl they won't let in Eurovision? Now I know this has outraged many Russians (and rightfully so), but to put this question to the Russian Foreign Minister after THAT lecture? If I were him, I would have said with the most deadpan face I could muster, "We have not taken the option of a pre-emptive nuclear strike off the table at this time." and than just walked off the stage.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Mar 29, 2017 1:28:10 AM | 46

Trump haters don't talk about what comes after Trump.

A BIG clue as to what motivates them.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 29, 2017 1:32:00 AM | 47

The Eisenhower quote put up by stumpy is interesting... US ingrained culture, manifest destiny, exceptional people ect.

In looking up the various missiles systems and aircraft over the last few years, something starts to stand out.
Since WWII Soviet, and now Russian design perimeters are guided by keeping the US out.
US designs always have had the base perimeter of breaking through Soviet and now Russian defence systems.
US culture is based on total aggression to any who do not bow to its power.
No matter the US president is a nationalist or a globalist, this culture will continue until it is destroyed

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 1:33:53 AM | 48

@44, Circe -- yup, hoisted on his own petard. He was the last one who could get away with it being halfway credible. Every president gets more rotten.

Posted by: stumpy | Mar 29, 2017 1:35:40 AM | 49

Enjoy the theater folks.. Blaming Russia for all that's evil in the world, instead of speaking up for the workers in the U$A, is the Dems newest plan. Trump was elected because he ran as a progressive. We know now, he has no interest in such foolishness. Both parties are the parties of $, and will further the interests of corporate America, over the interests of the people. That means " Full Spectrum Dominance."

Talk about hypocrisy::

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:18700:US-Has-Interfered-in-More-Elections-Than-Any-Other-Nation

Posted by: ben | Mar 29, 2017 1:50:17 AM | 50

Trump haters don't talk about what comes after Trump.

A BIG clue as to what motivates them.

Here's a big clue: A jackass who doesn't have to pretend he's not one ergo we can all rally to kick his ass. The thing about Trump is that those who used to fight on the good side moved to the dark side when they were reeled in by Trump.

So who cares who comes after Trump as long as we all go back to fighting in solidarity the enemy that Trump represents and his successor from the right or left aisle will surely represent as well.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 2:10:18 AM | 51

Re: Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 12:39:28 AM | 39

I won't go as far as disagreeing with you about Trump, but I would ask the obvious question given you are just so relentlessly anti-Trump.

Logically that means a few things.

1. You would have preferred Hillary Clinton won the Election and became President.

If you reject that assertion then please remove the scales from your eyes - there was no other choice - it was Clinton or Trump. No one else was going to win that election, saying "I don't like either" isn't an answer and is a failure to acknowledge reality.

2. You would like Mike Pence to step up and take over from Trump (because Trump is so awful he must be replaced asap).

Pence is the only person who is going to replace Trump - so logically you would prefer a President Pence to Trump. Fair enough - but is that really your view? Or is your view that they're all awful and we'd be better off with Jill Stein? Or Ralph Nader? Or Ross Perot? Rand Paul? Who? Doesn't matter anyway - because it is again evidence that you are living in a place detached from reality if your argument is NO TRUMP, NO PENCE - someone else!

Nope. Forget it.

At the moment your choice is Trump (or Pence) - no one else. So clarify again for me - you prefer Pence then?

If your answer to all of the above is No, No, No, No, No, we need someone else I'm afraid it is completely pointless to argue with you - What are YOU going to do about it?

Because I sure as hell am not going to try and find a way to get someone else installed besides Trump, or Pence. Just how would one go about doing that anyway? Not worth thinking about as far as I'm concerned.

It's called living in an alternate reality, and perhaps it's best if you retire to Patagonia and live out your fantasies far far away from anyone else who might deign to interrupt you.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 29, 2017 2:12:38 AM | 52

Re: Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 29, 2017 1:32:00 AM | 48

It's interesting isn't it. Trump haters logically want to see President Mike Pence.

But why this yearning for Pence? On the face of it it would appear that given their complaints about Trump Pence would be even more odious to them, but yet - Pence is exactly what they want!

Strange isn't it Jack.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 29, 2017 2:20:49 AM | 53

Looks like you nailed it Julian.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 2:25:43 AM | 54

- The Democrats are looking more and more stupid every day. Keep in mind, I don't get the impression that Trump has the best in mind for the US Joe sixpack as well.

Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 29, 2017 2:29:37 AM | 55

@53

Spare me your long-winded cynicism. What's YOUR point if Trump is as corrupt as the rest?

My point is that its better to fight the system together than divided by a worthless shit like Trump!

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 2:32:19 AM | 56

Circe you throw tantrums without putting up alternatives. Much like my daughters when they were in a huff.
Sniff some salts, fan your face, you'll be right.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 2:47:11 AM | 57

@58

You're ad homs for lack of an argument are predictable. If you have nothing better to write don't *remove all doubt*. You know the saying: better to keep your trap shut and be thought a fool than open it up and...**

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 3:03:59 AM | 58

Miss/Mrs Circe... by your username I take it you identify as female?

Address Julian's questions. Who would you prefer as head warmonger
A) Clinton
B) Trump
C) Pence

Easy peasy. No other options at present time. Put up or shut up.

For me, I would like to see the US and its culture of manifest destiny totally destroyed. I cannot see that happening in the foreseeable future unless they initiate mutual assured destruction.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 3:13:27 AM | 59

D)

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 3:14:57 AM | 60

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 3:14:57 AM | 61

Well that was a rational and well thought out reply.
Reminds me of Wile E Coyote looking down into the chasm, just before he drops.

One thing I have to say about earlier pre political correctness US. They had some great cartoons.

Perhaps you are auditioning Circe?

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 3:30:54 AM | 61

D)? Hope that means none of the above..

Posted by: Lozion | Mar 29, 2017 3:32:11 AM | 62

Re: Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 2:32:19 AM | 57

Re: Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 3:14:57 AM | 61

D eh. Once again you fail to answer a simple question. Your response is pointless. It lacks a basis in reality.

There is no D option. Are you the D option. You seem to think so.

My point is that its better to fight the system together than divided by a worthless shit like Trump!

And how exactly are you fighting this system? Writing a few sentences on someone's (admittedly GREAT! Blog) ain't going to get you very far.

Thanks for the support Peter. I don't think anyone here who supported Trump (over Clinton) was under the illusion Trump was going to be a "Great" President by any stretch of the imagination.

But it was fairly simple - do you want the proven warmongering maniac, or the egotistical narcissist?

Easy choice for mine - and like you Peter, I don't get to vote in US Elections so I could hardly make my voice heard at a US ballot box.

For the record, speaking as someone with libertarian leanings, Rand Paul was my initial choice in the US Primaries Republican/ Democrat. Rand seems eminently sensible on foreign policy issues. Stop expanding NATO, leave the Middle East. Of course Rand (like his father) is roundly ignored by the MSM most of the time.

Rand even jumped on Tulsi Gabbard's Stop Arming Terrorists Act! Good move for your credibility Rand, bad move if you want higher office.

Re: Posted by: Lozion | Mar 29, 2017 3:32:11 AM | 63

I assume D means none of the above as well, but provide the alternative then - a realistic alternative. As far as I can see - there is no D alternative being offered at the moment in reality.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 29, 2017 3:56:47 AM | 63

Oh, lord. You people ganging up on Circe again? It's beneath your normally good commentary. Irritatingly so.

Circe's expectations about Trump have so far proven correct. Many of you -- INCLUDING ME! -- who hoped to see more sensible behavior from Trump must admit you're disappointed.

So far, it seems I -- and many of you -- owe Circe "you told me so". (*Not* like it would've made me change my vote from "Jill Stein" to "Killary" just to try to keep Trump out of office.)

>> It's interesting isn't it. Trump haters logically want to see President Mike Pence.

You're not using logic. You're mocking it.

I, for one, abhor Trump's decisions thus far. Do you really think it's a matter of "logic" that I would prefer Pence's?

That argument is embarrassing.

>> Easy peasy. No other options at present time. Put up or shut up.

People are free to condemn what Trump does without being obligated to "choose" a veritable "s*** sandwich" from your "replacement menu".

But more importantly, stay civil! I choose to lurk because I rarely have anything (other than "thumbs up" to practically everything from jfl or psychohistorian). But, I read comments fairly regularly and have seen very little hostility from Circe -- except for maybe one understandable comment as a reaction to constant harassment -- that would justify this antagonism, Peter AU.

Posted by: dumbass | Mar 29, 2017 4:00:20 AM | 64

In the mean-time we have the Ecuador run-off Presidential Election this week. Sunday April 2, 2017.

Pro-Assange
Lenin Moreno

Anti-Assange
Guillermo Lasso


Easy choice for mine. Go Lenin.

Then we have the French Election (April-June 2017). Viva Le Pen (Destroyer of the EU).

The German Elections (September 2018). A total non-event. Schulz v Merkel - both as bad as each other.

The Russian Elections (March-April 2018). Putin to be re-elected assuming he stands.

The Italian Elections (By May 2018). Can Beppe Grillo win and take Italy out of the Euro and thereby destroy the Europeon project? Perhaps, but I don't trust Grillo as much as Le Pen.

Unfortuntely, if Le Pen loses, Grillo might be the last hope for a sane resolution to all that ails the world (The West) at the moment.

If things continue going to plan I foresee Russia/Putin shutting down all gas supplies to the EU either Winter 2018/19 or Winter 2019/20.

At that point, the election season is completed, and why bother extending chance after chance for the Europeons to wise up? Plus, the TurkStream and pipes to China will be completed by then.

That's my estimate of when Russian patience with the EU runs out anyway.

The only question then becomes, does the West collapse economically before then?

Perhaps, but I see no reason they can't just continue with the tricks of the last decade for another 2 years.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 29, 2017 4:03:08 AM | 65

Dunmbass is correct. User name that is.

Dumbass, come up with an alternative narrative.
JFL and psychohistorian I have respect for, but I do feel their alternatives are dreamtime stuff.
What we see is the real world. Human nature at its "finest".

Constant revolution is perhaps the most applicable to the real world though perhaps not in the intention of the originator.

Human nature. Does not change with knowledge.


Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 4:10:17 AM | 66

@40

Democratic_National_Committee


The DNC is composed of

1. the chairs and vice-chairs of each state Democratic Party's central committee,
2. two hundred members apportioned among the states based on population and generally elected either on the ballot by primary voters or by the state Democratic Party committee,
3. a number of elected officials serving in an ex officio capacity, and
4. a variety of representatives of major Democratic Party constituencies.


1. public enemies of the jackass persuasion numbers 1 through 100 ...
2. like to see the breakdown of 'elected' / appointed ... even when elected, elected by their cronies, no one else knows who they are ...
3. political hacks given sinecures ... the 'grateful dead' ...
4. lobbyists for wall street, the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, the 'intelligence community', enemies of the people in general ...

don't imagine these folks will be resigning. they're just killing off the hired hands ... they're the ones who 'ate our homework!' ... right ... the hh's will be replaced by interchangable clones. the dnc are dead men and women walking. and talking, of course.

@43

probably a false-flag by the googleplex itself, an alibi for discontinuing 'extremist' postings. 'hey, it's not us! it's our advertizers ... it's just bidnez, g-o-i ...'

Posted by: jfl | Mar 29, 2017 4:11:00 AM | 67

Prior to Trumps election, The US/globalist fellow travelers were all walking along nicely. Trump usurped the throne from the anointed one and now the fellow travelers are arguing.
Some say Trump will take us to a few places on our bucket list, others say say- no Trump has to go.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 4:22:14 AM | 68

Oh Where art thou Circe?
Three choices. A, B, or C. Easy peasy. Or do you have X held back in secrecy?

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 4:33:54 AM | 69

Miss/Mrs Circe

My alternative in imagination is total fucking destruction of US and their fucked up culture. What is yours?
You have never put forth any alternative?

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 4:40:26 AM | 70

@ 35

the reason i consdier this post to be a load of bullshit is simple.

the democratic party is so diminised it has not effect on anything the orange turd and his henchmen do.

So they can whinge about what ever they want to.

secondly: in general the US American Jane and Joe Do don't give a flying fuck about war. Its the only thing they have going for the, the million plus peoples army of the US and the weapons manufactures. If they don't have the army and the weapons company US unemployemnt would be through the roof and there would be rioting in the streets. Can you imagine the orange turd bringing home his troops from anywhere in Europe if they 'don't pay his bill for Nato"?

thridly: many of us predicted precisely that. Namely that the orange turd will do as any other US president did before him, war oversees and weapons selling. But oh noes, he is gonna be besties with Putin (who will win the election cause anyone else running will be dead by the time people get to put their fingerprints on a piece of paper)

fourth: i find it funny how many here over the years are ok with foreign influence in the US election, obviously its ok now to just delegitimze the last little bit of 'influence' people get to have in their countries.

fifth: i no more rejoice in the forth coming misery for the US American women and children then i do in the ongoing misery for the women of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza, Westbank, Somalia.

and as another poster said above, there was no real choice for teh US, there was Hillary with all her faults, and then there was the orange turd.

as for 'sabine' i have used my name as a handle since the time of billmon. and frankly this blog is going to shite. Sadly so.

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 29, 2017 4:50:29 AM | 71

@ 71

Circe answered, D none of the above.

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 29, 2017 4:55:24 AM | 72

Sabine.

D is not an option.

D more likely refers to duh

The only option is destruction of the US which can only be put plainly and not as duh, as in imbecile.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 5:07:03 AM | 73

@ Circe

What do you make of Laverov's recent speech?
Russia has been through both communism and wide open capitalism.

Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 29, 2017 5:19:23 AM | 74

Lavrov's speech to the military academy sits in nicely behind Putin's speech to the UN Assembly a couple of years ago. Writing the global script with openness, clarity and integrity.

Makes a great sequel due to the ease and detail of which Lavrov breaks down each and every question. Nothing mealy mouthed as you might expect from a US state department press outing...from the top down the Russians' believe in what they say, mean what they say, and do not mince words because its so much easier to give quick, detailed and direct answers when they are guided by truth and not a forked tongue.

From him you get a sense that today's Russia has very much evolved from a deep appreciation of it's history and, in a typically strong yet understated fashion, very much understands it's place within it. All the while the west embarrasses itself under the weight of repeatedly failing realities.

...the difference between a politician and a statesman.

Posted by: MadMax2 | Mar 29, 2017 6:09:54 AM | 75

It is apparent that Pence would be even worse than Trump.

The Deep State, the CIA and it's media arm wants Pence. The Democrats and most of the Republicans also want Pence.

Trump the degenerate Orange Turd must be good for something if all that is evil intends to usurp him.

Posted by: fast freddy | Mar 29, 2017 7:07:14 AM | 76

aaaa 13
"It's still rock and roll to me." - Billy Joel
In the case of the DEMs, it's all about politics and winning. (and not much diff to the GOP). For FDR and the DEMs in 1932 it was more important to let more of the economy (and banks) fail to have a more spectacular loss for Hoover and the GOP. (The Roosevelt Myth) And now the DEMs and the media sycophants are more shrill. Their one-trick pony obsession is Putin (riding a horse without his shirt - ha ha). If they cannot stand up for anything else, it's about time those in the party notice and change things.

The surprise of FDR was to find out he had no real ideology and simply took on people whose ideas sounded good. Otherwise it was the political machines of NYC, Chicago, and the unions (some dominated by Communists) that propelled him into higher office. He wanted to win and that was all that counted.

Posted by: Curtis | Mar 29, 2017 9:14:20 AM | 77

Like Gessen, Anne Applebaum is attempting to be the voice of reason and reality:

WAPO: The critical questions on Russia.

Russian private money has also played a role in Trump’s career. Though Trump has said repeatedly that he has never invested in Russia, Russia has invested in him. Famously, Donald Trump Jr. declared in 2008 that Russian money made up a “pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” More recently, a Reuters investigation showed that holders of Russian passports invested at least $98 million into seven Trump properties in Florida alone, a number that doesn’t include any investors who hid their names behind anonymous shell companies.

Technically, none of this money had anything to do with the Russian state. But in practice, it likely won goodwill and influence for Russia. Over many years, and long before he became president, Trump repeatedly praised Russia and its president. In 2007, he declared that Putin is “doing a great job.” In 2015, he described the Russian president as a “man so highly respected within his own country and beyond.”

Just like Deripaska’s payments to Manafort, the “disproportionate” Russian investments in Trump’s businesses, which Trump still owns, weren’t bribes. They didn’t involve the KGB, and they probably didn’t include any secret payments either. The question now is whether our political system is capable of grappling with this particular form of modern Russian corruption at all. Congress cannot simply ask the question “was this all legal,” because it probably was. Congress, or an independent investigator, needs to find a way to ask, “was this moral,” because it surely wasn’t, and “does it constitute undue influence,” which it surely does.

Apparently Congress will need to parse the morality of all Russian dealings with, oh hell, about everyone everywhere ... she's implicating pretty much the entire Russian Business class as Putin's water carrying agents of influence ... regardless, in this climate, this appears to be something resembling "a voice of reason and moderation" (or at least goal posts and some definitions of the 5 questoins -- who, what, why, where, when --variety)

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 29, 2017 9:24:33 AM | 78

Sometimes it occurs to me that what some of the writers(the Salon piece in particular) need is a good ass whipping. Pardon my French please.

Come to think of it, I feel the same way about some of these anti-Trump protestors.

Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 29, 2017 9:25:57 AM | 79

The Salon article seemed to be echoing Malcolm Nance of last week's fantasy ... part Jules Verne, part really bad third-tier LeCarre knockoff ...

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Mar 29, 2017 9:32:10 AM | 80

@2 The long term effects of recruiting self funding non entities are at play too. Many of these Democrats were recruited at lower levels because they were bland enough to not offend local interests and had the money to upfront the funding for their campaign. Independent Senator Bernie Sanders wasn't entrusted with the budget and veteran committee select spots because he is such a shining star or has leverage with the caucus, he's not joining the GOP. He holds those positions because the Democrats don't have people interested or even capable of those jobs serving in Congress. Russia is a convenient refrain. They know voters want answers, and a good portion of the elected Democrats know so little about policy they can't possibly offer answers.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Mar 29, 2017 9:37:34 AM | 81

The US is whining about how Russia dealt with 100s of people attending unlicensed demonstrations in Russia. Russians are pussies when it comes to dealing with protestors. This is how the US does it.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/203/420/UCDavis_pepperspray.jpg?1321852699

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/303385/14835326/1357272278107/scott-olsen.JPG?token=V6gtNZZjC66o%2BDSGDxYcrfFcFZY%3D

Posted by: JohnThomas | Mar 29, 2017 9:42:53 AM | 82

US have just accepted Montenegro as a coming member of NATO, you guys think that Nato will come to formally accept Montenegro on the Nato meeting on 31 of march?

Posted by: Anon1 | Mar 29, 2017 10:56:38 AM | 83

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So. George Soros gives the ACLU $35 million and they promptly "take the fight against Donald Trump's policies not just into the courts, but into the streets". Of course, if they dispose of Trump, we get -- Mike Pence as president. He would be so much better? Consider:

Vice President Mike Pence voted in favor of the Iraq Resolution, which called for the use of military force in Iraq.

Pence went on a widely condemned trip with Senator John McCain to Iraq in 2007.

In a 2002 statement on the floor of the House of Representatives (reported in the Congressional Record), Pence told his colleagues "... I also believe that someday scientists will come to see that only the theory of intelligent design provides even a remotely rational explanation for the known universe."

"[Indiana governor] Mike Pence's time in office has been so toxic that Hoosier Republicans are publicly begging Donald Trump to save their party," [by getting him out of Indiana] said Drew Anderson, [Indiana Democratic] communications director.

Posted by: blues | Mar 29, 2017 11:29:00 AM | 84

I've given up complaining about Circe. Maybe he works for Soros, or is Soros' grandson. Or something. Nearly constant single complaint, no alternatives discussed.

It's just another of those nutty things.

Posted by: blues | Mar 29, 2017 11:32:55 AM | 85

@85

Can't you just leave it at your comment @84 rather than wasting a separate post just to personally attack me by taking a cheap shot with bullshit speculation? You just had to back-up the other 2 offenders; makes you feel big, huh?

@70

Yes I have posted my political preferences and leadership preferences that don't include any of the choices you listed. Either you weren't paying attention or you just don't give a damn what I think. I suspect it's the latter, since you pay too much attention as obviously you never fail to deliver with your ad homs each and every time I comment on a topic and you disagree with what I write. I don't have to repeat what I posted previously to live up to your standards or pass some kind of litmus test to meet with your approval.

Posted by: Circe | Mar 29, 2017 12:30:47 PM | 86

Here's the acceptable viewpoints as near as I can tell,


1) it's infallible truth that there's no substance to the awful rumors that the Trump team and the Putin team may have colluded prior to the election.

2) Putin has been a beacon of integrity and forthrightness with no desire for anything but the nations of the world to live in harmony.

3) Trump is really on the same page as Putin but the evil forces of the deep state try mightily to derail his plans for our betterment

4) any attempt at free trade is inherently evil, the machinations of that cabal that seeks to rule the world

5) we should accept Trump simply because there's nobody that can do any better.


If you stick to these the no one will flame you. If you don't then you work for Soros. Yeah, fucking right, Trump's the man. we should learn to love him.


1) love how he's pouring troops and assets into the ME

2) accept that climate change is bullshit and cheer the deregulation that is currently taking place

3) accept that the bankers aren't so bad and realize that the regulations placed on them had to go because they were really hurting business and consequently their plans for making America great

4) accept that Latinos are the root of many of America's problems and cheer the zeal with which they are being rounded up

5) accept that the poor have only themselves to blame and applaud the way their safety net is being dismantled


Because Trump likes Putin and Putin likes Trump and that's all that really matters. Well suck me dry and call me Dusty, how could anybody not see that?


Posted by: peter | Mar 29, 2017 1:10:12 PM | 87

>> Dunmbass is correct. User name that is.

Ad hom straight off? Choices...action...habit...character.

>> Dumbass, come up with an alternative narrative.

Your "narrative" thus far is to make the same pitch the 2-party duopolists make: choose from the shitty choices we give you. History proves the governments' imperialist policies do not change from one administration/party to another. So, I choose options not on your list. I'm not changing my "narrative" to accommodate your dogmatism.

>> What we see is the real world.

Real world? Your choices are not even "real". Here they were:
>> Address Julian's questions. Who would you prefer as head warmonger
>> A) Clinton
>> B) Trump
>> C) Pence
>> Easy peasy. No other options at present time. Put up or shut up.

Those aren't even "real world" choices. They're your own artificial, limited construct. Another election isn't until 2020. Clinton may or may not run. Your choices are stupid and contradict your self-professed "real world" pragmatism.

By the way, saying your choices are "stupid" and that you contradict yourself isn't ad hominem, though judgments about your comment quality might lead people to draw inferences about you personally.

Posted by: dumbass | Mar 29, 2017 1:28:54 PM | 88

Circe @86

Circe did post his preference.

IIRC, he/she supports Kucinich (Democratic Party) as next President.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 29, 2017 2:05:52 PM | 89

peter @87--

"Putin likes Trump"

There're no grounds for that supposition. All Putin and Lavrov have stated is their willingness to work with whomever was elected. Mr Lavrov just again in an interview published today, 3/29, in National Interest Magazine: "We said what we did, that we are ready to work with any administration, any president who would be elected by the American people. This was our line throughout the electoral campaign, unlike the acting leaders of most European countries who were saying absolutely biased things, supporting one candidate, unlike those who even bluntly warned against the choice in favor of the Republican candidat[sic], and this somehow is considered normal." http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2710445

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29, 2017 6:18:49 PM | 90

@54

It is worse than just Pence. It goes Pence, Speaker Ryan, president pro tempore box turtle McConnell, and then Exxon Sec. State Tillerman. And eventually in the cabinet, you would get to Ben Carson. Jesus wept...

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Mar 29, 2017 10:21:30 PM | 91

Peter AU @69

C'mon Peter. A, Clinton is NOT an option at all. Unless the entire government is overthrown to install her. See my comment above re succession. There is no 'reset' to give her the election. Surely you know this, so why are you trying to make Clinton an option for Circe?

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Mar 29, 2017 10:32:07 PM | 92

@76 fast freddy

IMO Pence will be an order of magnitude worse than Trump. He will be piously waving his bible while screwing the people of the US more than can be imagined, as he knows all the crazies in Congress and agrees with the most disgusting views of the right wing. He will be more effective in our destruction.

Posted by: Tom in AZ | Mar 29, 2017 10:38:13 PM | 93

dumbass@64 - Sir, I have *never* in my life heard a more precise and succinct description of the U.S. perverse election process. Bravo!

"...People are free to condemn what Trump does without being obligated to "choose" a veritable "s*** sandwich" from your "replacement menu"..."

I shall steal this for future use, but forgive me if I do not give proper attribution as "the dumbass on MoA"

Posted by: PavewayIV | Mar 29, 2017 10:43:58 PM | 94

@73

if you fill out none of the cases in a form, which one will you have choosen?

you have choosen the one that you left out.

D. None of the above fuckwits.

thanks

Posted by: Sabine | Mar 30, 2017 12:39:42 AM | 95

Julian 52

*I won't go as far as disagreeing with you about Trump, *

Hmm

You agrees with Circe on Trump, !

But you sides with JR the Trump apologist !

Can you make up your mind, are you a 'Trump hater', [sic]
or a 'Trump lover' ?

Posted by: denk | Mar 30, 2017 1:30:38 AM | 96

Hey, thanks, Paveway IV.

Posted by: dumbass | Mar 30, 2017 1:39:08 AM | 97

"b" dude, maybe your playing to your crowd here and cha-ching and all that...but Blowhard Chump and the MSM's crazed rantings about him just aren't that interesting. Ya know? He's not going to bring world peace, detente with Russia or make America great again. Probably quite the opposite. And the media will continue to focus on him and ignore the many failings of the Demosplats et al. Move on is my advice.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 30, 2017 2:05:45 PM | 98

Look, I don't like Clinton/Obama, neoliberalism, "free trade" agreements etc. BUT I don't like Trump either. If you thought Obama was bad how can you like Chump? He's a fucking liar and an über-capitalist piece of shit who takes his orders from Darth Bannon. Fuck em' all I say. I am not a Soros agent btw. (but if I was I probably wouldn't tell ya...heheheheh)

I also think Trump is "better", or at least less terrible, than Pence, McCain/Graham, Hillary or any of the demented fanatics and war mongers waiting in the wings. So while I don't like the guy or his junta/corporate raider administration impeaching him is not cool. And the "Russia did it" crap is seriously insane and there is no evidence Putin "threw" the election.

The people holding a candle for Chump are like the morons who still maintain O'Bomber did good things for America and the world. You are the other side of that particular coin. That's what you get when you meed a hero figure to worship.

Posted by: Temporarily Sane | Mar 30, 2017 2:23:39 PM | 99

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