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February 26, 2017
Open Thread 2017-08
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Follow the money. All else is a distraction.
Stockman’s Interview Link (Vid): http://usawatchdog.com/giant-fiscal-bloodbath-coming-soon-david-stockman/ Posted by: likklemore | Feb 26 2017 18:46 utc | 1 A quick view of the South Americas… Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 26 2017 18:50 utc | 2 If you have been to Washington DC and visited either the US Mint or the Holocaust Museum you will note they are next door to each other. Spitting distance. Posted by: ALberto | Feb 26 2017 19:30 utc | 4 Coalition airstrikes endanger Tabqa dam in northern Syria
looks like the de facto, rogue nsa/dnc/rnc/cia ‘government’ in the us is about to have / has already had another ‘accident’ that will wreak untold death, devastation, and destruction in the unconquered world of eurasia. Posted by: jfl | Feb 26 2017 19:52 utc | 5 a change from the last thread is welcome! follow the money? yeah! Posted by: james | Feb 26 2017 19:53 utc | 6 In the previous post I commented about the strange political alliance between Muslim activist and transsexual and LGBTQ+ activists.
The Foreign Policy has now published an article supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and attacking the Trump administration.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 26 2017 19:55 utc | 7 RAND Corporation’s plan for dicing up Syria Posted by: jfl | Feb 26 2017 19:56 utc | 8 Doomsday predictions seem to be contagious these days….. Posted by: notlurking | Feb 26 2017 20:18 utc | 9 @8 Posted by: jfl | Feb 26 2017 20:37 utc | 10 Posted by: nmb | Feb 26, 2017 2:09:42 PM | 3 Posted by: somebody | Feb 26 2017 20:55 utc | 11 For Putin, the more vultures show up for Syria’s carveup, the better, it seems. Posted by: paul | Feb 26 2017 20:58 utc | 12 Syrian Army liberates two villages near Al-Bab amid clashes with the Turkish Army
wonder if the russian airforce will be bombing their new best friends – the turks – on behalf of their old best friends – the syrians – in syria, or bombing their old best friends – the syrians – on behalf or their new best friends – the turks – in syria. Posted by: jfl | Feb 26 2017 21:03 utc | 13 BREAKING: Al-Qaeda’s deputy leader killed in Idlib drone strike Posted by: jfl | Feb 26 2017 21:11 utc | 14 @JFL Posted by: Peter AU | Feb 26 2017 21:24 utc | 15 @ likklemore who wrote about following the money/debt Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26 2017 21:42 utc | 16 @jfl 10 Posted by: smuks | Feb 26 2017 21:56 utc | 17 @jfl Posted by: Peter AU | Feb 26 2017 22:06 utc | 18 @jfl Posted by: smuks | Feb 26 2017 22:09 utc | 19 14 Posted by: jo6pac | Feb 26 2017 22:12 utc | 20 @ pychohistorian 16
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Posted by: likklemore | Feb 26 2017 23:04 utc | 21 The Rand report titled ‘A Peace Plan for Syria III’ seems to be the third report pushing for the breakup of Syria, each report taking into consideration current factors at the time of writing. Posted by: Peter AU | Feb 26 2017 23:35 utc | 22 VeteransToday is claiming that Turkish aircraft have started bombing Syrian positions. No other sources for confirmation yet. Posted by: Wwinsti | Feb 26 2017 23:38 utc | 23 Anybody except me see, or care about, the fact that the Israeli air force was bombing the Syrian army threatening ISIS/ISIL fighters. Posted by: cabeza del toro | Feb 27 2017 2:38 utc | 24 Re: Posted by: Wwinsti | Feb 26, 2017 6:38:42 PM | 23 We seen a steady stream of faux ‘grassroots’ protests, spotlighted refusals to participate (choir member refused to sing at inauguration), and not-so-principled resignations (CIA guy resigned ’cause he did’t want to serve Trump), now this fiasco: Muslim Woman Claims She ‘Only Lasted Eight Days’ in Trump White House – Here’s What Shes Not Saying Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 27 2017 2:55 utc | 26 The White Helmets won the Oscar in the Propaganda (Short Subject) class. Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 27 2017 3:48 utc | 27 >>>> Julian | Feb 26, 2017 9:48:49 PM | 25
Perhaps because Syria doesn’t have S-400s. So far the only operator is Russia. As for shooting down Israeli planes, Bashar Al-Assad is neither stupid nor suicidal, he knows what Israel’s response would be. Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 27 2017 3:58 utc | 28 @24 cdt, ‘the fact that the Israeli air force was bombing the Syrian army threatening ISIS/ISIL fighters’ Posted by: jfl | Feb 27 2017 4:12 utc | 29 But things are even worse now, we have a president who calls them out for their lies and then turns around and lies more than all of them combined. There is no government, only liars accusing each other of lying while doing what has always been done, stealing everything that isn’t nailed down and Trump looks like he is setting a new record for that as well. Posted by: Rodger | Feb 27 2017 4:20 utc | 30 @Julian, Ghostship: Posted by: Wwinsti | Feb 27 2017 4:21 utc | 31 @22 peter au Posted by: jfl | Feb 27 2017 4:35 utc | 32 @ghostship 27, 28
See also Sophie&Co grilling a Turkish advisor to Erdogan, with the unspoken question being “is Turkey trying to seize Syrian land for long-term occupation?” Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 27 2017 5:07 utc | 33 Yo, JFL: Posted by: c d toro | Feb 27 2017 5:12 utc | 34 Re: Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 26, 2017 10:58:12 PM | 28 @ Julian Posted by: Peter AU | Feb 27 2017 5:26 utc | 36 >>>> Julian | Feb 26, 2017 9:48:49 PM | 25 Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 27 2017 6:07 utc | 37 Wwinsti | Feb 26, 2017 11:21:42 PM | 31
Their latest attack involved one or more Israeli aircraft in Syrian airspace.
Not really – it mentions ground clashes between the FSA (Turkish Army according to AMN) and SAA which were bound to happen if the FSA moved south of Al-Bab with the SAA being close to joining up with the YPG around Manbij. Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 27 2017 6:19 utc | 38 @Rodger 30 Posted by: Caspian C | Feb 27 2017 6:42 utc | 39 Sophie Shevardnadze to Turkish government representative , Feb 26 (link @33)
So is the Turkish Army going to be sending ground troops all the way down the Euphrates to Raqqa? As ghostship notes above, from another source:
One has to wonder if John McCain’s recent trip to Turkey was all about ensuring that Turkey wouldn’t be cooperating with Assad to go afer ISIS. On the other hand, apparently CENTCOM is saying it will support the Manbij Military Council, (ie. SDF, Syrian Democratic Forces with Kurdish YPG militias), so is this more internal war between U.S. deep state who’d rather see ISIS maintained as an anti-Assad force, (represented by McCain) and those who believe defeating ISIS is issue #1? Is McCain playing a shady double game, trying to continue with Obama-era policies in the region? It seems very likely. Posted by: nonsense factory | Feb 27 2017 7:04 utc | 40 @Ghostship #38
It’s an alleged strike so far. Syrian/Israeli governments have yet to confirm the strike, and Hezbollah denies it took place. Posted by: Wwinsti | Feb 27 2017 7:11 utc | 41 c de toro 34: Posted by: estouxim | Feb 27 2017 7:38 utc | 42 I think that Gabacho is something similarly derrogative for Westerners of other ethnicity similar to the Cantonese Gweilo, Gubbah for the aborigines in Australia, and the ever popular Hawaiian Haole. Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Feb 27 2017 9:36 utc | 43 I’m so disappointed…..”White Helmets” won documentary short….the shekels keep a coming…. Posted by: notlurking | Feb 27 2017 9:45 utc | 44 Now it’s Fake Oscar winners … in la la land. Posted by: x | Feb 27 2017 10:14 utc | 45 meet the MICCPX, Posted by: denk | Feb 27 2017 11:10 utc | 46 Take note of the fact that I show THREE examples where YouTube is allowing channels to make ad revenue while making a video about the Israel-Palestinian conflict yet they demonetize me. This is the exact part of my video where I show that: https://youtu.be/d_H3VQTXZx0?t=4m22s Posted by: Tom Murphy | Feb 27 2017 11:18 utc | 47
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26, 2017 4:42:37 PM | 16 Posted by: Avid Lurker | Feb 27 2017 13:35 utc | 48 The total screw up at the Oscars last night was a pr stunt. Posted by: librul | Feb 27 2017 14:09 utc | 49 likklemore 1 Posted by: Curtis | Feb 27 2017 14:21 utc | 50 nonsense factory@40 Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 27 2017 14:24 utc | 51 Except for mistake of an Oscar for the lousy acting of Emma Stone, La La land got what it deserves: The rewards for a 21th century flashy packaging of a unoriginal remake of the brilliant 20th century musical comedies Posted by: virgile | Feb 27 2017 14:26 utc | 52 Peter AU 18 Posted by: Curtis | Feb 27 2017 14:28 utc | 53 Last letters : From Mosul schoolboys to Islamic State ‘martyrs’ Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2017 14:29 utc | 54 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-blockade-idUSKBN1661A0 Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2017 14:48 utc | 55 Trump budget plan boosts Pentagon, trims State Dept, EPA: officials Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2017 15:04 utc | 56 The Tel Aviv regime has dispatched a battalion of Combat Intelligence Coalition Corps half a kilometer inside Syria’s territory on back-to-back incursions to observe all developments and eavesdrop on military conversations there. Press TV has asked an analyst what the Israeli military is seeking by infiltrating into Syria. Posted by: ALberto | Feb 27 2017 15:08 utc | 57 nonsense factory@40 Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 27 2017 15:13 utc | 58 likklemore 1 Posted by: Curtis | Feb 27 2017 16:01 utc | 59 jfl | Feb 26, 2017 4:11:58 PM | 14
The British and French developed a purely kinetic JDAM device, a concrete “bomb” that you dropped on the target with very little chance of collateral damage. Maybe the Americans used one of those from a Reaper. Dropped from five times the height of that in the video, the “bomb” would only need to weigh 130kgs Posted by: Ghostship | Feb 27 2017 16:09 utc | 60 And the Oscar for Best Documentary Short goes to…”ISIS – Al Qaeda” Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2017 16:21 utc | 61 SHOWING Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2017 16:41 utc | 63 Thanks to comments at Saker post about Eastern Ukraine situation plus Trump’s week: Posted by: juliania | Feb 27 2017 17:00 utc | 64 At #65 I should have credited Talks-to-Cats for the link, sorry. Posted by: juliania | Feb 27 2017 17:14 utc | 65 Lots of discourse recently about Athenian Democracy. A curious factoid I discovered when studying Greek History was the Orwellian change in the meaning of the word known in English as Tyrant: A person who purged the elite from governing so the commoners could regain control was called a tyrant by the purged, very similar to how Bacon reversed the Hydra to mean the poor masses globally instead of an insatiable elite ever grasping at gold to increase their power. Will Trump become a Tyrant? Fake Media says yes, but which meaning of that word are they using? Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 27 2017 18:02 utc | 66 Great news, the SDF and SAA have linked up east of Al Bab and sealed off an IS pocket thereby cutting off Turkish backed troops heading south.. How long before this powder keg blows off? Posted by: Lozion | Feb 27 2017 22:50 utc | 67 @ Avid Lurker who provided a link to Michael Hudson Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2017 1:56 utc | 68 The US debt is already going down. b, I don’t know why you persist over at SST, Pat Lang is rude to his contributors. The Saker is either a Russian agent, a racist or both. You are the last man standing, go you good thing. Posted by: Earthrise | Feb 28 2017 3:14 utc | 70 US-led coalition airstrikes completely destroy Al-Tabqa airbase in Raqqa Posted by: jfl | Feb 28 2017 5:58 utc | 71 @70 are you in la la land? Trump wants to do significant stimulus. Posted by: aaaa | Feb 28 2017 6:06 utc | 72
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 27, 2017 8:56:24 PM | 69
‘the man who fired Alan Greenspan’ Posted by: Avid Lurker | Feb 28 2017 10:26 utc | 73 Curtis @ 51. 60
Posted by: likklemore | Feb 28 2017 15:09 utc | 74 I just stumbled across this incisive (decade-old) documentary two days ago: Documentary on IRAN Iran Is Not the Problem; Stop War on IRAN
Documentary on IRAN; Iran Is Not the Problem; Stop War on IRAN Posted by: Avid Lurker | Feb 28 2017 18:45 utc | 75 @likklemore: Posted by: smuks | Feb 28 2017 23:09 utc | 76 Follow up on my post @68, quoted from Canthama’s “field updates” on the syrper blog: Posted by: Lozion | Feb 28 2017 23:35 utc | 77 @Avid Lurker # 76 Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 28 2017 23:37 utc | 78 p.s. I finally watched Jon Pilger’s doco on the coming war with China last night and in it he made the point (sorry if it has been already discussed) that both John Kerry and FDR’s family money, you know what kept Kerry in the billions even when he was a govt salary, was opium money. Both FDR and the Ferry/Forbes gang made their bucks getting Chinese hooked on Opium nice eh, that inconvenient truth. Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 28 2017 23:43 utc | 79 smuks @ 77 Posted by: likklemore | Mar 1 2017 0:07 utc | 81 duncan_idaho | Feb 19, 2017 3:06:19 PM | 7 Posted by: jfl | Mar 1 2017 1:25 utc | 82 two from NEO, Posted by: denk | Mar 1 2017 2:36 utc | 83 Trump’s Speech
BullyBearish (commenter at ZH):
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 1 2017 3:51 utc | 84 @ Jackrabbit who reported on Trump’s speech to Congress and us pond scum Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 1 2017 4:41 utc | 85 @jfl Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 1 2017 4:49 utc | 86 the pentagon could afford to ‘do less with more’, Posted by: denk | Mar 1 2017 5:39 utc | 87 – Pentagon wants to increase the amount of “boots on the ground” in Somalia. Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 1 2017 13:38 utc | 88 – Trump wants to increase military spending and ends the socalled “sequestration” of the military budget. Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 1 2017 13:40 utc | 89 – The Liberatarian Institute has from time to time very interesting articles: Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 1 2017 13:41 utc | 90 Author: Capt Joshua Waddell Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 1 2017 15:37 utc | 91 Does America in order to defend itself need another 10% in the military budget? Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 1 2017 15:40 utc | 92 mauisurfer @ 93 Posted by: likklemore | Mar 1 2017 16:05 utc | 93 White Helmets’ Whole Existence Fraudulent; Oscar-Winning Film Fraud: US Analyst
Posted by: virgile | Mar 1 2017 16:25 utc | 94 As the comments that I noted @85 indicate, there are a lot of people that are keeping close track on Trump’s making good on his MAGA promise.
I hope that others will add to this list. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 1 2017 17:17 utc | 95 Bacevich says Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 1 2017 18:20 utc | 96 Trump’s Speech – Another fib Posted by: Jackrabbit | Mar 1 2017 21:11 utc | 97 @ Jackrabbit Posted by: Peter AU | Mar 1 2017 21:29 utc | 98 yeah, back the saudi arabia headchopper cult who cut off folks hands, when they aren’t chopping off dissidents heads, and who don’t allow their women to drive or lord knows what else – over those terrible terrorists iran, lol… i think i have it right.. israel told me, lol.. Posted by: james | Mar 1 2017 21:53 utc | 99 Earthwise @71 Posted by: mauisurfer | Mar 1 2017 23:04 utc | 100 |
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